CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
ELEVENTH SESSION, HELD SEPTEMBER 15TH, 1845.
MINUTES OF EVIDENCE,
Taken in Short-hand by
GEORGE HEBERT, CHEAPSIDE.
TYLER & REED, PRINTERS, BOLT COURT, FLEET-STREET.
On the Queens Commission of the Peace,
OYER AND TERMINER, AND GAOL DELIVERY
The City of London,
AND GAOL DELIVERY FOR THE
COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, AND THE PARTS OF THE COUNTIES OF ESSEX, KENT, AND SURREY, WITHIN THE JURISDICTION
CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT,
Held on Monday, 15th September 1845, and following Days.
Before the Right Honourable MICHAEL GIBBS, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir William Wightman, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir William Erie, Knt., one other of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Charles Farebrother, Esq.; Sir Chapman Marshall, Knt.; the Right Hon. Charles Ewan Law, Recorder of the City of London; John Johnson, Esq.; Sir George Carroll, Knt.; John Kinnersley Hooper, Esq.; Thomas Farncomb, Esq.; John Musgrove, Esq.; and William Hughes Hughes, Esq.; Aldermen of the said City: John Mirehouse, Esq., Common Sergeant of the said City; and Edward Bullock, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.
LIST OF JURORS.
CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
GIBBS, MAYOR. ELEVENTH SESSION.
A star (*) denotes that prisoners have he en previously in custody—Two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—An obelisk (†) that a prisoner is known to be the associate of bad characters.
LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES.
OLD COURT.—Monday, September 15th, 1845.
First Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
MR. CLARKSON. conducted the Prosecution.
ALFRED CHARLES SMITH . I live in Maps—row, Stepney—green. On the 5th of July I was employed by the Society for the Suppression of Vice, to go to the shop of Mr. Ward, No. 103, Strand—before I went I was searched at the Society's chambers, by police—sergeant Chadwick, to see that I had no prints about me—Chadwick afterwards accompanied me to No. 103, Strand—he remained outside—when I got there I saw the defendant, and purchased the two prints now produced, of him, personally for 3s., and 5s., 8s., for the two—when I came out I accompanied Chadwick to the Society's chambers in Lincoln's inn—fields, "where Chadwick marked the prints as well as me—on the 9th of July I went again—I was searched as before, by Chadwick—I bought the print now in my hand—I have 5s., for it—I produced that to the officer on coming out—I went to fhe chambers, and marked it as I did the others this second purchase was not made of the defendant, but of a person in the shop was serving behind the counter—I have seen him several times serving in the shop.
Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What are you? A. An agent and accountant—I have been so fifteen years—before that I was in the Custom—house for twenty—one year—in the Long—room, as an agent not employed by the Custom—I did bussiness for a number of gentleman—I was in partnership with Benjamin Elias—we carried on our bussiness in the Long-room—after the Custom—house closed, I went on Change—or to Lloyd's I had a nominal house of bussiness at No. 31, Mansel—street—my name was not up there—I was rarely there—our business was done in the Long—room—paper and letter, were sent to Mansesll-street—Elias and I quarrelled about family and law matters, and Parted—he, continued in the—long-room, but I did not—we did businesss for Mr. Cohen, father-in-law of Mr. Rothschild, and Mr. Rothschild himself exporting
goods as Custom-house agents, making entries for them—my place of business now is in Maps-row—my name is not on the door—I find quite enough to do without giving publicity to my business—I have a bed-room and the use of a parlour—my agencies are too various to go through them—I have been connected with this Society about thirteen years—I am paid by the job, according to the time it occupies—I have been three or four days about this, and am to have 5s. a-day—I do not expect more tlian 2s.—I have received nothing yet—I am to get 2s. 6d., or 5s., for the day I bought the prints—it depends on the time I am engaged—if it is only an hour or two, I have half-a-crown—I have not been engaged thirty times on matters of this kind, nor half that—I remember laying an information against Mr. Duncombe—if I swore he sold me a print he did so—I think it was a book, but cannot recollect now—it is years ago—I do not think he was acquitted—I was employed by a gentleman for the society—he probably wrote to me, but I do not know now—the society made the first communication to me about Carlile—I am sure I did not give them information—it always comes from the society, and I obey their instructions—I cannot recollect when they communicated with me about this—I had been to the defendant's shop before the 5th of July—I cannot say how often—three or four times—I will swear I had not been a dozen times—I may have been five or six times, for several parts of the Wandering Jew—the society did not send me for that—I did it of my own accord—I first bought one number—I think I bought three parts at one time, and at another I bought two—I do not think I bought anything else—I cannot say how much I paid—it was not out of my own pocket—I bought the first of my own accord—I might be there five or six times before I bought the prints—I asked him perhaps two or three times for these pictures before I got them—I did not provoke him to procure them—I did not describe them to him before I got them—he showed roe in the shop some exhibits—I said I understood he had something more curious.
Q. Was that by direction of the society? A. I was desired to ascertain whether such things were sold there or not—he showed me something more curious—(that was the first or second time I spoke of it,) and I bought it—the greater part of the Wandering Jew was bought after the sale of the prints.
COURT. Q. You kept up the communication with him after you bought the prints, not letting him know your object? A. Yes.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. On the first occasion, when you asked for something more curious, did not he tell you he had nothing more curious to show you? A. Indeed he did not—the gas was lighted in a little back room—I was desired to walk in there, and eighty or ninety of these were exhibited in a book—I bought two of them—they were nearly alike—that was perhaps the second or third time I went there—I cannot say which, but I know the greater part of the Wandering Jew was purchased after the prints—I have always been searched before I went on these jobs of late years, not when I was first engaged, as, perhaps, it was not suspected that a person charged in this way would be base enough to swear the prints were taken into the shop instead of being purchased out of it—it was to prevent that.
MR. CLARSON. Q. Was it when you bought the first number of the Wandering Jew that you asked him if he had anything more curious? A. I think it was the second time that I went—I had been directed by the society to ascertain if he sold obscene prints—he took me into a back room
and produced a portfolio with eighty or ninety in it—they were French prints—I saw the eighty or ninety prints afterwards in possession of the Custom-house officers, who had seized them under a warrant issued by the Commissioners of Customs—I never bought any prints of him or anybody except by direction of the society—whether the prisoner is convicted oar acquitted will make no difference as to the amount I am paid—I did not use any inducement or persuasion for him to procure them, but merely asked if he had such for sale—I never induce parties to sell them.
COURT. Q. You did not order them on one occasion against another? A. I did not—I asked for what was not exhibited in the shop window.
WILLIAM CHADWICK I am a sergeant of police—I was directed by my superiors to accompany Smith to the shop in question—before he went I searched him both on the 5th and 9th of July, to see that he had nothing about him—on the 5th of July I accompanied him to 103, Strand—the name of Ward was over the door—he went in, and I remained outside—I did not see what took place—he was inside from five to ten minutes—when he came out I followed him down to the society's office—I never lost sight of him—we went into the office, and he gave me these prints—I marked them—on the 9th of July we went to the same place and pursued the same coarse, before he went in and afterwards—I marked the print he produced on that occasion—this is it.
Cross-examined. Q. Where did you search him? A. At the station-house the first time—I felt in his pockets and dress—I did not take any of his garments off—I satisfied myself that he had nothing about him—I kept him in view all the way—I did not lose sight of him above half-a-quarter of a minute, as he turned the corner.
COURT. Q. Were there any indecent prints exhibited in the window? A. No, I did not observe any.
EDWARD COOPER . I am in the employ of Mr. Vaughan, of Henrietta-street, Covent-garden, army and navy contractor. He rents the shop No. 103, Strand—I have received the rent of that shop from the defendant.
ALFRED CHARLES SMITH re-examined. Q. On any occasion were any prints in the window, from which you would reasonably infer that indecent prints were to be sold? A. There were French figures, which, on the removal of the front there was a female on a couch, but not so indecent as these—but in shops where these prints are sold, the indication is given by these "figures or toys," as they are called, exhibited as a sign that indecent books and prints may be purchased there.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did you ever say to Cooper that you expected to be well paid for this job? A. Never, to anybody—I do not know that I spoke to him.
MR. BALLANTINE. to E. Cooper. Q. While waiting here last Session, did Smith tell you that he expected to be well paid for this job? A. I cannot swear that took place—I asked him what he should expect—he said he should be paid for his services—it was in reference to what I should get—I never saw any indecent prints exposed at this shop.
ALFRED CHARLES SMITH re-examined. Q. In what part of the shop were these prints produced that you induced him to sell you? A. In the part of the shop which is divided by a partition—nobody was present but me and him—I did not make any representation to him for what purpose I wanted them—they were on a chair in this room, which is part of the shop—there is a temporary partition put up—it is parted off.
Q. What was your application to him? A. He showed me one of
the French figures in the window—I had asked to see that, and asked him if he had anything more curious—on that he invited me into the back room, which is part of the shop, but it is divided and is dark—he then produced a book, in which were these prints, for me to look at, and to take which I chose—they were exhibited only to me—I asked the price, and took two—he did not tender them to me till I asked if he had anything more curious—I am almost certain this was the second time I went—I had not intimated that I should want anything of the sort when I came again, nor asked for anything of the sort before—he produced them to me immediately—I went to purchase the Wandering Jew, just to look about the shop to see what there was—I did not allude to prints on the first occasion I am almost certain—the second sale took place in the same back part of the shop, not in the public open shop.
MR. BALLANTINE called
MR. CLARKSON Q. What observation have you made on his conduct? A. He lodged at my house nearly twelve months by the name of Carlile—he left seven or eight months ago—he had this shop in the Strand at that time—I was in the habit of going there—I saw the name of Ward over the door—I believe he did not like the name of Carlile up on account of his father's notoriety.
(Charles Gould, boot-maker, 16, New-street, Covent-garden, alw deposed to his good character.)
GUILTY . Aged 25. (The Jury expressed their belief that the dejendart had the prints in his possession for the purposes of sale.)
Judgment Respited ,
GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Three Months.
ANN COULLING . I am the wife of James Coulling, who is shopman to John Newman, a baker, in Goswell-street. The prisoner was employed by Mr. Newman to carry out bread—if the customers paid him, it was his duty to account for it to me or my husband, when he returned to the shop—on the Thursday and Friday previous to 5th of Sept. he took out bread to Mrs. Sparkhall—on his return he told me the bread was not paid for—he never accounted to me for money received for it.
Prisoner. Sometimes I paid for eight or ten loaves together from Mr. Sparkhall. I was sometimes paid every morning, and sometimes every third morning. I was short of money, and kept this back, and before I could return it I was taken for stealing the flour.
Witness. Sometimes he paid for three or four days' bread at a time from Mrs. Sparkhall; on the Wednesday morning he paid for the Monday's, Tuesday's, and Wednesday's bread, but I believe he received the money each morning—when the bread is booked, I always ask "Did So-and-so pay?" and he told me "No," both on the Thursday and Friday.
Cheapside. On Friday, the 29th of Aug., I paid the prisoner 2s. for bread supplied by Mr. Newman—I think I paid him about half-past eight o'clock in the morning.
MRS. COULLING cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When was the prisoner given into custody? A. On the evening of the 29th of Aug.—he came home from his first round about half-past nine o'clock in the morning—he usually went out between eight and nine—we booked the bread as usual on his return, and he said Mrs. Sparkhall had not paid, on the Thursday or Friday, and I put that down—I cannot tell how much be paid for Mrs. Sparkhall altogether on the Wednesday—I think it was for about two quarterns.
COURT. Q. What wages had he? A. I believe 16s. a-week—they were paid on the Saturday night—he always kept bis accounts very correctly up to this time—there is no other charge of embezzlement against him—his last week's wages hare not been paid—11s. is now due to him.
NOT GUILTY .
OLD COURT—Tuesday, Sept. 16th, 1845.
Second Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
1800. GEORGE MORTON was indicted for stealing, at St. George Hanover-square, 25 yards of woollen cloth, value 10l., the goods of James Cooper, in his dwelling-house; and that be bad been before convicted of felony: to which be pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 26.— Transported for Ten Years.
(Thomas Buckwall, tailor, 27, Waymouth-street, deposed to the prisoner's good character up to July last.)
ELLEN WELCH . I am the wife of Michael Welsh, and live at No. 20, Great Saffron-bill. On Tuesday morning, the 26th of Aug., I went to the prisoner's room, and knocked at her door—she told me to come in—I did her good morning, and she did me good morning—I said, "Mary, you have served me very pretty for the last two days, and abused me most shamefully, and I do not deserve it from you: I have always been a good friend to you"—she said, "Yes, that I acknowledge"—I said, "You said yesterday you would rip my bowels out, and I don't deserve such statements as you have made for the last two days; if you are a better woman than me, come down into the court if you like, and we will decide it without any further variance"—she said, "Go out of my room," and seized the. chopper from the corner of the room—I said, "I did not come into your room to injure you"—she took the chopper, and immediately was going to hit me—I caught the chopper and took it out of her hand, and while doing so she made several blows at my shoulder—I said, "Take care of the child"—she had her child in her arras—I took the chopper out of her hand and laid it on the table—Mary Leary, who was in the room, took it off the table, and put it in one corner underneath the cupboard—the prisoner then ran and took either a jug or a basin and threw it, but it did not touch me—she then took the chopper again
from underneath the cupboard and hit me a violent blow with it—I do not know how deep it was—I did not look in the glass to see—I said to the women that were in the room, "Oh, she has murdered me, she has hit me with the chopper"—Mary Leary and Catherine Cashman, the two women, said, "Come out of the room, for we shall be all killed here"—they both cried out at the same time—as they were bringing me out at the door she hit me with the milk-pot and cut me under the eye—I have the mark now—I was taken into my own room by Leary, Cashman, and two more neighbours who ran down stairs—I was hardly able to walk—I lost a great deal of blood, and the blow stunned me—I walked with their assistance—I sent for Mr. Bartlett, who advised me that the hospital was the best place for me—I went to the hospital in a cab—they took off the strapping, and sewed up this part of my eye where it was cut—they would not keep me in, as I was pregnant, but said I should be an out-patient—I then walked home, and kept my bed for a week from the injury, except going to give evidence against her before the Magistrate on the Friday following.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Are you Irish? A. Yes, and so is the prisoner—we do not belong to different factions—Cashman and Leary were putting me out of the room at the time the mug was thrown at me—they were helping me out—that was after I had the wound, not before—I swear that—they said it was better to have peace and quietness—it was not then that they were putting me out of the room, nor was it then she threw the mug at me—I have only been once in custody for assaults—I was not in custody about a Mrs. Smith—I did not very nearly kill her with a poker—I did not strike her with a poker—I swear that—I charged her with striking me with a poker—I did not have her punished—I forgave her in consequence of her children—I was not in custody for that assault—the assault I was in custody for was another woman and me had some words, and she hit me—I did not hit her—I was in custody—I know Jack Berry and Mrs. Murphy—I was not in custody for having a row with them—Mrs. Murphy and me had words and we were both locked up—I have been only twice in custody for violence—I have been once at Guildhall for an assault—I was not in custody above two hours—I was bailed out, and bound over to keep the peace—that is about two years ago—I never made use of a bad word to the prisoner—she had called me all the names she could lay her tongue to the day before—I went into her room to make peace with her—I am a much stronger woman than she is—I never thrashed anybody in my life.
MARY LEARY . I live at No. 8, Field-lane—I was in the prisoner's room when Welch came in—she asked the prisoner to come down stairs and see which was the best woman—she refused—they had some words—the prisoner took the chopper in her hand, and desired Welch to go out of her room—she did not go, and then she rushed on Welch, and Welch rushed on her, took the chopper out of her hand, and laid it on the table—I took it off the table and put it under the cupboard to conceal it—Welch then moved towards the door with my persuasion, and while I turned to open the door she got a blow on the forehead—I did not see what with, and on coming out at the door the prisoner hit her with the mug—I did not see the chopper since I put it away—I did not know Welch was cut till she said, "See how she has served me"—I had persuaded Welch very much to come out, but she would not—they still had words, and were aggravating one another.
Cross-examined. Q. The prisoner has some children? A. Yes—she had a baby in her arms all this time—she did not want to fight—the
child fell out of her arms when Welch rushed on her to take the hatchet from her, and she hallooed for her baby then.
COURT. Q. Had the prisoner made any attempt to strike with the hatchet before Welch rushed on her, and took it from her? A. No, she stood quite still by the fire with the baby in her arms—she told her twice to go out of her room, and I persuaded her, but she would not—had she come out of the room two minutes sooner she would have got no injury.
MARY ANN GRIFFITHS . I am eighteen years old—I live in the same house with the prosecutrix—I heard a noise in the prisoner's room, went down and saw Welch outside her door with her gown up to her face—she cried out that she was hit with the chopper—Mrs. Cashman said she was not hit with the chopper—Welch replied that she was—she came into her own room, and when I saw her bleeding I screamed out—my mother and father came down and helped her into her room, with Mrs. Cashman—she sat down and fainted away—I ran and fetched the doctor—I saw the chopper in the prisoner's hand in her own room—I went to the door, and said, "Mrs. Horrogan, you ought to be ashamed of yourself to take a chopper in your hand to strike Mrs. Welch with"—she said, "I did not strike her with the chopper"—I said, "Mrs. Welch said you did"—my mother went in and said, "Mrs. Horrogan, if you were outside the door, I would give you a good hit myself, for striking the woman in that way with such a thing as that"—she replied that if me or my mother came into her room, she would serve us the same.
Cross-examined. Q. Have you been in prison? A. Yes, I had a month in the House of Correction—there was a lot of us playing together, and I struck a person on the shoulder out of fun with my hand; the Magistrate said it was a low game carried on, and he would punish us for it—the woman was a stranger—I am not aware that it was said I struck her with intent to rob her—there were five or six of us together.
EDWARD KENT PARSONS . I am house-surgeon at St. Bartholomew's Hospital—I saw the prosecutrix there, she had two cuts, one over the eye, and one below—the cut over the eye was not a very severe wound, not down to the bone—if a violent blow had been given with a hatchet I should think it would have got to the bone—it might have been done with a hatchet, or a mug, or saucer—it was not a clean cut wound—I should think this hatchet if used forcibly would have made a clean wound.
JAMES LAWS (police-constable G 102.) I took the prisoner into custody—I found this hatchet on a chair in the room—on taking the prisoner to the station, she said she did not cut her with the chopper, but she threw a jug at her, and if she had killed her it would have been of no consequence—she was excited, and in bad temper.
GUILTY. of an assault under great provocation. Aged 25.— Confined Ten Days.
MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution.
ALFRED KNIGHT . I am the father of Richard and Alfred Knight, who carry on business as stationers in Budge-row, Watling-street—I resigned the business to them a few years ago—I occasionally go to assist them—I was there on the 23rd of May, and saw the prisoner there—he handed to me this order—(read—"Sir, I am very much disappointed at your
not sending me my order, and hoping that you will by bearer the small hand, two reams of double crown to weigh 2lbs. each, and when you send me the boards send in the bill, and I will pay for them, and I have sent a little account by the bearer. Please send in the boards as soon as possible, as I am in want of them for work that must go in directly, as it is a country order. I am, sir, for H. Catmur, No. 8, Hollybush-row, Bethnal-green-road")—when I read it I asked him who Mr. Catmur was—he said, Mr. Catmur was a very respectable man—I said, "Why does he apply to us? Who has he been accustomed to have his paper of? or, where does he have his paper?"—he mentioned Messrs. Morgan and others—I said, "Who does he work for?"—he mentioned Mr. Tegg, the extensive bookseller, in Cheapside, and some other persons—he represented Mr. Catmur as a bookbinder—I asked why he did not continue to buy the paper where they had been accustomed, particularly Messrs. Morgan, who, I thought, would supply them with verything they wanted—he said, Mr. Catmur had been so much disappointed that he was losing his customers for want of getting his goods in proper time—I asked how long he had been in the service of Mr. Catmur—he said not a great while, not many months—upon this I gave orders for him to have the paper—I saw it delivered to him, and a boy who was with him at the time assisting him—eight reams were delivered to him, worth 2l. 3s.—I never got the money for it—I made inquiries afterwards, and he was taken into custody.
Prisoner, The first order I gave was sent to my own house in Holly-bush-lane, and I called next morning and paid for it; he is mistaken about my representing myself as working for Mr. Catmur. Witness. I am sure he did so—he did pay for the first order—it was done as a decoy.
HENRY CATMUR I am the prisoner's father. I live at No. 164, Bethnal-green-road, and have done so fifty years—I never lived in Hollybush-row—this request is not in my handwriting, neither the name nor the body of it—I never authorized anybody to write it for me—I do not know whose handwriting it is—I have an opinion that it is like the writing of my unfortunate son—I cannot deny it—I have seen him write frequently—I think it is his handwriting—I never authorized him to write it—I did not get the paper, and never heard anything about it till after this transaction—I am a bookbinder—I work for Mr. Tegg—I have bought paper of Messrs. Morgan—they very seldom disappointed me, nothing worthy of remark—I have not changed in consequence—the prisoner has frequently been in my employment, but only occasionally, up to last Jan,—he was not in my employment in May last—he had left me—I knew he was gone to Holly bush-gardens or row—I knew he was carrying on business there, but I have never been to the house.
MR. KNIGHT re-examined. The prisoner represented that the paper was for Mr. Catmur—he did not say for his father—he represented himself as the workman of Mr. Catmur, who had worked for Mr. Tegg about fifteen years, and the prisoner being a young man, of course we did not consider him as that person—he brought the order as from Mr. Catmur, and said Mr. Catmur had desired him to refer to Mr. Tegg and Messrs. Morgan—I afterwards learnt from Mr. Tegg that Mr. Catmur had another workshop away from his place of residence—that did not influence us with respect to this order—it did afterwards—we did not apply to Mr. Tegg on the first occasion.
Prisoner. That order was a request sent by my boy; he is not here. Witness. I think there was a lad with him; but I am not quite certain as to that time—he came into the counting-house, and I then had the conversation with him which I have related—we made no inquiry at that time—he gave me the account before he had the goods—I did not supply him on the prior occasion—it was a small lot sent down on the preceding day to his place in Bethnal-green-road somewhere—he called to pay for that, and said Mr. Cutmur wished these goods to be delivered, as they were wanted for immediate use—the prisoner did not say who was the writer of this paper—he said Mr. Catmur was his employer, and that he had worked for him two months—I suppose he brought the note sealed—there is sealing-wax on it—it must have come sealed—I opened the note—he brought it as though from another person, and when he presented it to me, he brought 1l. 10s., and told me Mr. Catmur had sent it for some goods which had been left at the house the day before—I asked him, as the workman of Mr. Catmur, who Mr. Catmur was—he quite gave me to understand he was describing the person whose signature was to this note—I let him have the goods, believing they were for the person he was describing—he got the goods by the representations of who sent him, and who the person was—I believed I was supplying the goods to the person he described, Mr. Catmur.
GUILTY . Aged 22.— Transported for Seven Years.
(There were two other indictments against the prisoner, who has been previously convicted of robbing his father.)
1803. THOMAS BUTLER and EDGAR SERGEANT were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Charles Lowe, on the 3rd of July, and stealing therein 18 brass harness-plates, value 3s.; 4 brass swivels, 15s.; 4 brass terrets, 18s.; 24 brass saddle-penstals, 16s.; and 50lbs. weight of brass, 2l.; his property.
CHARLES LOWE . I am a saddler's-ironmonger, and live at No. 6, Great St. Andrew's-street, Seven Dials. On the 3rd of July last, I left some persons in care of my workshop, which is the front kitchen—I am not aware of the parish—it is close to St. Giles's church—on the morning of the 4th, my boy, Cox, came to me—I went to the workshop as quickly as possible—I noticed that the padlock had been forced off the kitchen door—my young man had left it fastened over night—I kept a good many rabbits in the workshop—I found a valuable buck lying down dashed to pieces, and a fine doe and her young ones torn to pieces—all my work of any value was broken to pieces, and brass terrets, swivels, card plates, knives, leathers, and tools gone—I cannot say their value—there were a great many more than I have any account of, what I have been accumulating for three years—I know the prisoners—I have purchased brass and iron of Butler, very little brass, but iron many times—Sergeant used to come with him, seemingly as a companion—Butler never brought me anything in Sergeant's presence—I have since seen 50lb weight, part of the things I lost, at Mr. Roberts', at Westminster—Sergeant came with a view of looking at my rabbits, and to purchase them—I was not aware they were thieves—I used to breed rabbits—Butler used to bring me pawn tickets, and odds and ends.
workshop about eight o'clock—I put a padlock on the door, locked it up, and took the key with me—I found Cox there next morning—the place had been broken open and the things gone—I have since seen some articles in the constable's hands—they were part of what I had left safe on the premises.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What is Mr. Lowe? A. A dealer in saddler's ironmongery—he is not exactly a general dealer—he does not buy a great quantity of brass and iron—he purchases a trifle of persons that come round.
GEORGE JAMES COX . I live at No. 4, Leg-alley. I was employed as errand boy by Mr. Lowe—I went to work on the morning of the 4th of July, at ten minutes past seven o'clock—I found the kitchen door broken open, and some of the rabbits lying dead—some things I had been working on were gone, and some packages containing brass furniture—I went to give notice to Mr. Lowe.
Butler. Q. Where were you that night? A. I was at home by eight o'clock.
HENRY HOLLIDAY . I live in Crown-street, Soho. Sergeant came to my shop in the beginning of July to the best of my recollection—he asked me if I would buy a quantity of brass work—he and Butler afterwards came together—Butler gave the name of terrets and other names to the things, but I was not acquainted with them, and told them they were not of any value to me but by the pound—I cannot say whether there was 45lbs. or 55lbs.—they said it was a lot of odds and ends of brass work, clearings up, and asked if I would buy it—I said "It is of no value to me, why not take it to another in the line if you can do better with it?"—they said it was so late in the evening it would be no use—I ultimately bought them—I resold the same things to Emanuel—I sold him the whole I bought, and to the best of my recollection a little more—I have since seen the things they sold me, or things very much like them.
Butler. When I was first taken he said I was the person, but did not say anything about Sergeant. Witness. It was so long since, I had very nearly forgotten the circumstance, but one thing brought on another, and I then recollected the description of the parties, and that Sergeant came first to know if I would purchase it, and then they both came together with it.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. It was in July, was it? A. I could not tell positively what month it was in—I had forgotten the transaction till it was brought to my recollection—I had almost forgotten the identity and the description of the dress till questions were put to me—I am a miscellaneous dealer in brass work—I buy of any one that comes, if I think it is correct—I had seen Sergeant before this—he had come into my shop and offered some brass for sale about a week or a fortnight before this transaction—when the subject was first named to me I had almost forgotten about the dress, till the description of the things were mentioned, and the prosecutor said, was there not such and such a person there, and then it was brought to my recollection—he asked if 1 had bought a quantity of brass—I said, "Yes"—I bought two or three quantities nearly at the same time, and could not tell which quantity it was—I sold the brass I purchased to the collector—I had never purchased any of that shape or description before—the prosecutor asked me did I buy such and such things, giving a description of them, and that brought it to my recollection—it was Butler that mentioned the names of the things at ihe time they were brought—he
conducted the conversation—I believe I gave the money to Butler—Sergeant told me when he brought the things before these, that he was a sailor, and had been two years in China, and been invalided on board the Minden—I dare say they were ten minutes in the shop when they wen selling the things to me—I sold Emanuel all the brass I purchased, and there might be a little more—the collector comes round sometimes once I week, sometimes twice, and sometimes three or four times.
ABRAHAM EMANUEL I am a metal and rag-merchant, and live at No. 13, West-street, Golden-square. In July last I called at Holliday's shop, and purchased a quantity of brass—I am in the habit of buying brass of him and others—I believe I purchased that which was afterwards produced at the office—I let my father have some of it.
Cross-examined. Q. How soon did it pass from you to your father? A. About a month after—I buy a good deal of brass of Holliday at times—I go there sometimes once or twice a week, and sometimes once in seven or eight days—my father had a set of harness made by Mr. Roberts, and he thought these things would suit him in exchange, and he parted with them to Mr. Roberts—I book everything I get—the prosecutor knows I gave the full value for them.
JOHN ROBERTS . I purchased some brass swivels, tenets, and other articles of brass furniture, from Uzziel Emanuel—I do not remember the day—the things were produced before the Magistrate—these are them.
WILLIAM WEST (policeman.) I got the property from Mr. Roberts on the 21st—I took Sergeant into custody on the 25th—he said he knew nothing about it—the prosecutor's house is in the parish of St. Giles-in-the-Fields
CHARLES LOWS (re-examined.) I used to eat my victuals in my workshop, and slept there occasionally—I have a bed there—the owner does not live in the house—there were separate lodgers—I intended to use the room as before, and kept a bed there for the purpose of sleeping there—I had slept there the night before—the things produced are part of what I lost—I can swear to them—I made them—I know the patterns—no one in London has got such patterns.
Butler's Defence. If I had done such a thing, my father is in the trade, and I should have put them to a better market than that: the prosecutor is a very dreadful character; he has been living with a prostitute, and he would swear anything.
NOT GUILTY .
OLD COURT.—Wednesday, September 17th, 1845.
Third Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
1805. WILLIAM DAVIES was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of James Henry Osland, on the 28th of August, at the Liberty of the Tower of London, and stealing therein Solbs. weight of rope, value 20s., his property; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined One Year.
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
NOT GUILTY .
Before Mr. Justice Erle.
1807. MARY WHITE was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of August, at St. James's, Westminster, two yards of ribbon, value 3s.; 1 stone ornament, 10s.; and one 50l. note, the property of Marie Louise Eliza Forgeot, her mistress, in her dwelling-house; and THOMAS M'MAHON , for feloniously receiving the said note, well knowing it to be stolen.
MR. CLARKSON conducted the Prosecution,
MARIE LOUISE ELIZA FORGEOT . I am an actress In June last I was residing in King-street, St. James'-square. I have been performing at the French Theatre for some time, but have now come from Paris to prosecute this case. The prisoner, White, was in my service as cook—in June last I had a jewel-case in my bed-room, and among other things in it was a 50l. note—it was safe there in the month of June—I had occasion to go to the box on the 24th of Aug., and the 50l. note was then gone—the box was kept in my bed-room, and locked, and I generally had the key on my bracelet—I sometimes left the key in the jewel-box when I went out between June and Aug.—it was the prisoner's duty to be in my bed-room every morning—when I missed the note I desired my lady's maid to speak to the prisoner about it—I did not speak to her myself, as she is Irish, and does not understand me—I did not hear her answer—I left England on the 31st of Aug., without finding the note—the officer afterwards produced to me a sash and piece of a bracelet, which are mine, but I had not missed them—there is nothing on the note to enable me to speak to it—(looking at one.)
EMILIE BARRATAM . I am in the prosecutrix's service, and was so in June, Aug., and Sept. In consequence of her missing the 50l. note, on the 25th of Aug., I said to White, "Mary, Madame Forgeot has lost a 50l. note; we had better search all over the place"—she said, it was very extraordinary; there was always something lost; and said, "Does Madame suspect me?"—I said, "I do not know; we are the only two in the place, and she may suspect me as well"—I looked everywhere for the note, and had the furniture removed—I had the coal-box in the kitchen moved, and searched behind it—the prisoner did not help me, nor seem to care about it—she said, "Oh, I dare say it is not there,"—I spoke to her about it twenty times—she always said she did not know anything about it—she asked me if that money would prevent Madame going to France—I said I did not suppose it would, as she could get money—she was taken into custody on Tuesday, the 2nd of Sept.—she had been sweeping the drawing-room the day before, and brought me a dust-pan with a few bits of cards and papers in it, and asked me if she might look among them for the note—she was taken into custody the next day—I know the prisoner M'Mahon—I saw him at the house three or four times a long time ago, but not since the note was lost—I saw him in the street—he used to visit White before the note was lost—it was the duty of nobody but me and White to go into the bed-room.
White. The hair-dresser, dress-maker, and corn-doctor, were in her bed-room. Witness. The dress-maker was never in the bed-room, to my knowledge, nor the hair-dresser—he was in the dressing-room—the corndoctor could not get to the jewel-box, as Madame and I were with him.
White. I have never seen the key off her bracelet, and never lifted the jewel-box; the witness used to carry it up and down. Witness. I took it down into the drawing-room about five weeks ago—that was the only time—Madame then emptied it, and I thought the note might have dropped out, when I heard it was lost—I carried the box back to the bedroom afterwards—the dress-maker and her husband, who is a jeweller, and was to repair some jewellery, were in the drawing-room at the time, and a relation of the prosecutrix.
JOHN CASHMAN . I am a printer, and live at the corner of Charles-street, Hatton-gardcn. I first became acquainted with M'Mahon on the 27th of August—I met him in Palace-yard when I went to hear the band—I fell into conversation with him—I met him at the bottom of James-street on the morning of the 1st of Sept., and walked with him down. Pall-mall—he showed me a 50l. bank note—it was such a one as that now produced—he told me he bad received it from his mother in Ireland, that she wanted him to go to Ireland—I went the same day with him to a public-house in Cow-cross—he was there taken into custody by Penny.
PHILIP POILE . I live at the Cart and Horses public-house, Turnmill-street, Cow-cross. On the 1st of Sept., in consequence of wbat was said to me, I went up stairs in my house, and found M'Mahon and Cashmait there—M'Mahon asked me to get change for a £50 note—I took it from him, and went to Inspector Penny with it—this is the note.
WILLIAM PENNY . I am a police-inspector. I received information from Poile on the 1st of Sept.—I went to the Cart and Horses public-house, Turnmill-street, Cow-cross, and found M'Mahon in the room in company with Cashman—he was very drunk—I had the £50 note which Poile had given me—I took M'Mahon into custody, and asked where he got that note from—he said that was his business—he had a pot of beer in his hand, which he threw over me, pot and all—I took him to the station—on the following morning he said, "I will account for the £50 note; I got it from my mother; she wished me to go back to Ireland"—the note having been stopped at the Bank, I found the owner, and went to Mademoiselle Forgeot's residence, in King-street, St. James's, from what I heard at the Bank—Mademoiselle Forgeot was in Paris—I showed it to the lady's maid—I took White into custody, and said to her, "Do you know anything of this?" producing the note—she said, "Yes, I do"—I said, "What do you know?"—she said, "I found it among the rubbish and ashes in the drawing-room yesterday" (this was on the 2nd Sept.)—she said, "I gave it to M'Mahon that day, to get change"—I went into her bed-room, got her key from her, searched her box in her presence, and found this piece of ribbon, and this stone of a bracelet in it—she said she also found that about the room—Mademoiselle Forgeot has recognised them as hers—I was present at the prisoners' examination—after the evidence was given I heard the Magistrate ask if they had anything to say—they were cautioned and told it would be taken down if they said anything—White made a statement, which was taken down, and so was what M'Mahon said—the Magistrate subscribed the statement—this is it—(read—"The prisoner White says,—I found the note cleaning out the fire-stove in the
drawing-room, the morning before I was brought here." M'Mahon says, "White gave me the note.")
M'Mahon. Q. Did not you hinder me from drinking the beer, and by that means it came over you? A. You threw it over me, and hit me with the pot on the breast.
M'Mahon to JOHN CASHMAN. Q. Did you see me chuck the beer over him? A. I was not looking that way, as the other policeman was searching me at the time—I did not look to see any beer on the floor.
EMILIE BARRATAM re-examined. I had seen the ribbon and stone safe in a chest of drawers, with perhaps sixty others, the last week in Aug., when I was packing up—I saw the piece of stone two days before Madame went to France, which was at the end of Aug.
White. I asked her what Mademoiselle would do to any person who would find the note, and she said that Mademoiselle would prosecute them, and she would not wish to find it; that was the cause of my keeping it.
Witness. I never said so—I said Mademoiselle should find her note if she gave the number—when she called on a gentleman to get the number to stop it, and when it was stopped, I said, "There, now, if that note was to pass into twenty hands, it will be found out, the first hand it went to, and they will be prosecuted most likely."
THOMAS CHAPMAN I am treasurer of the French Theatre, and pay the taxes for this house. It is in the parish of St. James's, Westminster, and was the dwelling-house of Mademoiselle Forgeot at this period.
White. I beg for mercy.
M'Mahon. White gave me the note.
WHITE— GUILTY . Aged 26.— Transported for Ten Years.
M'MAHON— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Twelve Months.
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
MR. CHARNOCK. conducted the Prosecution.
JAMES COOK . I am a tailor, and live in Upper Charles-street. I have known the prisoner twelve or fourteen years—when I first knew him, he was a chemist in Regent-street—about July he came to my house in Charles-street, and brought a bill of exchange—this is the bill—(looking at one produced by Pearce)—he wished me to get it discounted for him—I had never got any discounted for him before—I had told him previously, if he brought me a bill on a respectable party I could get it discounted for him—I asked him if this bill was genuine—he said he saw Mr. Gunter accept it—he said it was Mr. Gunter, of Berkeley-square—he said he did business with him, and could do more if he had larger means—I got the bill discounted for him in the City—he went with me—I went to a friend of mine, named Bannister, who lives at Islington—he has no office, but I frequently meet him at a coffee-house in the City—I took his check for it, went to the Union Bank, received the money, and gave it to the prisoner.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Are you in the habit of discounting? A. Not at all—I have known the prisoner many yean, he never asked me to discount a bill before—Bannister is a clerk in a large house in the City—I believe it is a banking-house—he is not in partnership with one Flight—I am liable for the bill, as I put my signature on it from the respectability of the acceptor—I had no doubt of it—I am not aware that I was asked to endorse it—I endorsed it over to Bannister before I got the check—Bannister is not here—mine is a private business—I keep the house and have the ground-floor for my business—I handed the prisoner the whole amount—I received 54l. odd—the discount was Is, in the pound, for two months—I got nothing for it—I had two coats to make for him, and he paid me 7l. on account out of it—I have no doubt Bannister would have discounted it without my endorsement—it was my own act—it is not due yet.
THOMAS WILLIAM GUNTER . I am in partnership with R. Bishop, of Berkley-square, confectioner—I have known the prisoner about three years—he has done business with me to a very trifling extent—this bill is not the acceptance of myself or my partners—I never accepted a bill in my life.
Cross-examined. Q. You have never been called on to pay it? A. No—I never heard anything against the prisoner—we did business with him as a kind of agent—he brought ginger to us, which we bought of him—I imagine he is a poor man—I do not know of his having any bill of this kind before, which he paid at maturity—we had a bill presented to us some time ago, with the supposed acceptance of our house on it, and we put an advertisement in the paper—I do not know whether it was paid.
The bill was here read, dated 23rd of July, 1845, at two months, for 56l., drawn by Styles, on Messrs. Gunter, Berkeley-square.
GUILTY . Aged 51.
1809. HOWARD AUGUSTUS STYLES was again indicted for feloniously and knowingly uttering, on the 10th of June, a forged acceptance to a bill of exchange for 34l. with intent to defraud William Benham Tomlinson; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 51.— Transported for Life.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)
OLD COURT.—Thursday, September 18, 1845.
Fourth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
1810. JOSEPH BELCHER was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Taplin, about the hour of two in the night of the 16th of Sept., at Paddington, with intent to steal, and stealing therein, 3 coats, value 1l. 10s.; 1 pair of boots, 8s.; 4 handkerchiefs, 8s.; 4 top-castors, 10s.; 12 spoons, 3l. 17l.; and 1 umbrella, 2s.; his property; and that he had been before convicted of felony: to which he pleaded
GUILTY .— Transported for Ten Years.
1810. GEORGE WEBB was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of Sept., 1 purse, value 6d.; 11 sovereigns, 4 half—sovereigns, 8 half—crowns, and 20s., the property of Richard Carton, in a vessel on the Thames.
RICHARD CARTON . I am master of the brig Wilson, collier, lying off Stone—stairs, Shadwell—the prisoner was my apprentice. On Monday, the 16th of Sept., I went to the owner, and got 13d., which I put into my desk, with 2d., more to it—I locked the desk, and kept the key—I went ashore about nine o'clock on Tuesday morning—all was then safe—I came back in about half—an—hour—the prisoner was then gone—I missed the money, and went ashore to look for him—I at last found him at his mother's—I asked him what made him take my money—he said he had not taken it all, for he had left the purse on the shelf—I went on board again, and found the purse on the shelf, with 7l. 10s. in it—I found four sovereigns and five half—crowns on him—he did not say it was mine—I did not ask him—he had no honest means of getting so much money—he had a new suit of clothes on, and he took his indentures out of my desk, and destroyed them—he had been my apprentice about six months.
Prisoner. What he says is false about locking up his money. Witness. It was locked up—he had punched the state—room door open, and the desk was lying open on the bed.
JOHN LODDER (policeman.) I took the prisoner into custody—I told him I took him for stealing some money from his captain—he said he had not taken it all—I took him to the station, and found on him four soreigns and five half—crowns—he said he had got no more, he had spent 12s.; 6d.
Prisoner's Defence. The desk had no lock to it, and the state-room-door was open.
GUILTY. of Larceny.—Recommended to mercy by Jury and Prosecutor.
Confined Three Months.
Before Mr. Justice Erie.
1811. LOUIS JOHN LEMOINE , was indicted for feloniously forging a certain deed and writing, obligatory, with intent to defraud Thomas Ewen and Joseph Leman; and THOMAS JOHN HALL , for feloniously inciting him to commit the said felony.
MR. CLARKSON and BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.
GEORGE RICHARD MOYSE . I am in the service of Osborne, Ward, and Co., of Bristol, solicitors to the Portbury—pier and Railway Company—the London agents are Messrs. Hunts, of Whitehall—in the ordinary business of the company, application for shares would be sent by Messrs. Hunts, to us—this letter, marked (A) was received at our office, from Messrs. Hunt—I sent this letter (B) in answer, with a blank receipt to the address, mentioned in letter (A) by post—ours are 50l. shares—on a letter of this kind a person would be entitled to obtain shares on going through the form stated there—Thomas Ewen and Joseph Leman are trustees by virtue of this deed—Abraham Gray Harford Battersby is one of the provisional committee, and a proprietor.
Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you know that these letters of allotment are the subject of sale from hand to hand? A. I believe they are where the name is real—the deed was prepared at Bristol—the signatures to it are those of persons applying for shares, together with the provisional committee—nobody is permitted to sign without having paid the deposit.
The letter A was an application for forty shares of 50l. each, dated 14th May, 1845, in the name of William Dethick, gent, Verra-villas, North-end, Richmond-road, London—letter B was a letter of allotment of ten shares, to William Dethick, requesting the deposit of 2l. 10s. per share, and stating that scrip certificates would he delivered in exchange for the letter, and the production of the banker's receipt for the deposit, upon the party signing the deed.
GEORGE WILLIS . I live in Gray's Inn-square, and am assistant to Mr. Wood, the town agent for the Portbury Pier and Railway Company, at their office, No. 449, West Strand. I was at the office on Saturday 26th July last—the prisoner, Lemoine, was there that day, and presented this letter, (B,) to me—it is the allotment letter, and here is the banker's receipt at the foot of it, signed by the banker, for the receipt of the deposit money for the ten shares—the deed was at that time lying on the opposite counter, closed—he presented the letter to me, and said he wished to sign the Portbury Pier deed—I laid the deed before him, and he at once proceeded to sign it—I presumed, of course, that he was the person to whom the letter was addressed, Mr. Dethick—he wrote—(reading)—"WM. Dethic, Esq., gent., North-end, Fulham, London, 10 shares 500l.;" and, under the amount of subscription,"£25. Wm. Dethic."—omitting the final "k"—I noticed, when he was signing, his manner was hesitating, and his hand trembled—he put his hand to the seal, and delivered it as his act and deed—I observed that there was a final "k" in the letter of allotment, and called the fact to his attention—I asked if he was Mr. Dethick—he said he was—I told him I thought he was not, and that I was sure he was not—he still continued to say that he was—I fetched my principal, Mr. Wood, brought the facts to hit notice, and he questioned him as I had done—I had, at the time, a letter of application for shares in my hand, for another concern—there was the name of Drummond, the banker, on that—I suggested, as Mr. Dethick had referred to Mr. Drummond, he should go down to Drummond's to be identified—he said he would go—I put on my hat, and went out at the office with him to go—as soon as he got outside the door, he said it was no use going to Drummond's, for they would not know him—that he was not Mr. Dethick, but he was employed by a person to sign Dethick's name, and that person was waiting for him at Capel-court, which person would give him half-a-crown for his trouble—he returned to the office with roe—Mr. Wood questioned him, and he was given into custody.
Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. You found there had been a reference in another transaction to Messrs. Drummond? A. Yes, that was an application for shares in the Waterford, &c. Company, giving the same name and address—that application had been made, probably about three months before—there was no allotment in that case—no letter was sent in answer to the application—ours is an office for that company also—it is a sort of general office for the management of Parliamentary business in railways—there is the name of "Wm. Williams, No. 39, Penton-street, Pentonville," in this deed—there had been an allotment there, in the same way, by post—I saw that signed on the 24th of July—I should not know the party again.
WILLIAM WOOD . I live at No. 449, West Strand. I recollect the prisoner, Lemoine, being in the office—he produced this letter, "B"—I did not see him sign the deed—he went out with Willis, and was broughl back to the office—I gave him in charge.
WILLIAM DETHICK . I live at No. 3, Verra-villas, Richmond-road, North-end, Fulham—I do not know either of the prisoners—I never saw Lemoine, to my knowledge, till I saw him in custody—(looking at the deed)—this writing, "Wm. Dethic, Esq., gent., North-end, Fulham, London, 10, £500, £25 "is not my writing—I did not authorize Lemoine to sig my name to this deed—I never had an interview with him in my life.
Cross-examined. Q. You live at this place? A. Yes, and have lived there from Sept., 1844—my wife lives there with me—I am a contractor, and have a contract for sewers at Bloomsbury—I have been a contractor since Sept. last—I had a contract for sewers at Fulham in Oct. last—that was not my first contract by a great many—I was a publican—I ceased to be so in 1841—I have not kept a public-house since—I did not fail as a publican—I entered into speculation in the lime trade, and failed by that in May, 1844—I became a bankrupt—I became a contractor in the Oct. following—I did not underlet the conract to others—I did it myself—I supplied the men—I know a man named Springbett very well.
Q. Have you had any conversation with him as to speculations io shares? A. He once mentioned to me a quantity of shares, about five or ten—I have contracted for some business on the Birmingham line, and I said if there was anything as good as them, I should not mind—he said he would write to see if there was any shares to be got good, and I was to sort them out—I authorized him to do so—I have only spoken to him once upon the subject of shares—I once scolded him for sending so many letters about shares—that was not at my house—I met him promiscuously—the letters came to my house—I had not seen all of them, for I was down at Lynn—there were some letters came there—they were sent, I believe, to a Mr. Harrold—my wife sent them—a person called to know if there were any letters, and they were sent there—I do not know whether Harrold is a partner of Springbetts—I have seen them together—several letters came after that—I do not know whether they were all sent to Springbett—I did not keep any—I have had a lodging at No. 39, Penton-street, off and on, for a long time, when I have business in town—that is about three miles from Hyde Park—a Mrs. Williams lives there—there is no Mr. Williams—I never went by the name of Williams—I have been addressed as Mr. Williams, there—many people say, "Good morning, Mr. Williams"—I was brought up with a Mr. Williams, of Goswell-road, and from a boy, many people have called me Mr. Williams—I have never been called Mr. Williams at Verra-villas, unless I was to meet anybody there, they might say, "Good morning, Mr. Williams"—I went by the name of Dethick when I kept a public-house—that is my name—I lodge now at the house in Penton-street, and go home every Saturday night—Springbett never told me of letters being sent to Mrs. Williams, in Penton-street—I have nothing to do with that—I am not aware that letters came there addressed to Mr. Williams—I never saw one—I do not know of any being fetched from there by Springbett—I cannot call to my recollection when f saw Springbett last—I met him in Chancery-lane the last time—I do not remember the day the prisoners were taken into custody—I did not see the account in the newspapers—somebody told me of it—I do not know the Three Johns public-house, Pentonville—I am not in the habit of going to any public-house there in particular—I have been to the Crown sometimes, and had a glass of ale—I did not sec Springbett at a public-house at Pentonville, the day, or the day after, I heard of the prisoners being in custody—I swear that positively—I saw him at a public-house
in Chancery-lane—he told me there were some men in custody that had been signing, and wanted me to go up to release them—he said would I take it on myself—I said No, I had nothing to do with it; I know nothing about it, you have got yourself into trouble, and mast get out of it;—I have never received any money from Springbett—I was a creditor of his for 70l. odd, and he paid me, I think, 2s. 4d. I have not had a farthing from him since I had the conversation with him about dealing in shares, nor from anybody for him—I swear I have not had two guineas—I do not know how often I have been in the habit of seeing Springbett—I never went to see him unless he came to see me—I think it was not above two or three times in six months.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Do you see the signature of William Williams, No. 39, Penton-street, Pentonville, to that deed? A. Yes, that is not my signature—I did not authorize anybody to sign that on the 24th of July—there is no Mr. Williams living at that house that I know of—there are lodgers.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you ever assume the name of "Williams" or sign that name to a deed, or anything else, in your life? A. Never—I never authorized anybody to subscribe the name of "Williams" to any document—I never subscribed any other name as mine than "William Dethick"—I never authorized Springbett, or anybody else, to subscribe my name to a deed of any kind—I never consented to accept money for the subscription of my name by any other person, nor ever authorized anybody to subscribe my name to any company, to become a proprietor—if any letters have been obtained from Mrs. Williams's house, addressed to "Williams," I am not aware of it, nor been any party to it—Springbett asked me if I should like to have eight or ten shares—I said, well, if there is anything as good as the Birmingham, I had an uncle at St. Albans, who was a man of great capital, and would like some shares, if they were good—I never authorized him to negotiate for me for shares, or to put my name to anything—I never saw Lemoine till I saw him in custody.
EDWARD STEPHEN MASSITER (police-constable A 41.) I took Lemoine into custody—I went the same evening to No. 4, Little Marylebonc-street, and saw Hall—I asked if his name was Hall—he said, "It is"—I said I was come to apprehend him on a charge in which he was concerned with Lemoine, in some railway transactions—I believe I said, the Portbury Pier and Railway Company, but I will not be certain—he said he was the person who had sent Lemoine to sign the deed for a third party—I took this paper from Lemoine—(read)—"William Dethick, Veers-villas, Richmond-road, Fulham, 50 shares. Drummond, Charing-cross, 449, West Strand.
Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Did not Lemoine give some account which led you to Hall? A. Yes, I found he accurately represented him.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Was not what Hall said, that he was the party who had sent Lemoine for a third party? A. Yes, to sign the deed for a third party—I can swear he said that—he mentioned the word "deed"—at my second examination, for a moment, I did not recollect the words—I will swear positively that he did say so.
(The deed was here read.)
MR. BODKIN. called
Wellington-place, Highgate. I have known Lemoine twelve years—his character has been unimpeachable.
COURT. Q. What is he? A. He was in my service as clerk for three years, and left about five months ago.
MR. DOANE called
CHARLES OSBORN . I am an architect and surveyor in St. Swithin's-lane. I have known Hall between two and three years, and in my opinion a more honest, upright young man does not exist in the City of London.
COURT. Q. How does he get his living? A. I am not aware—he is a general individual, who does anything in general business and commission affairs.
(Other witnesses deposed to their good character.)
LEMOINE—, GUILTY . Aged 32.
HALL— GUILTY . Aged 28.
Recommended to mercy, believing them to be the dupes of others.
— Confined Two Years.
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
The evidence in this case was of a nature unfit for publication.
NOT GUILTY .
OLD COURT.—Friday, September 19th, 1845.
First Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
EDWARD BRENACK The prisoner was in my service—I took him because he had no place to go to—he left me on the 28th of Aug., and I missed 27 gross of paper bags, and a beaver bat—I met him last Friday, and gave him in charge—I had had an order for the bags—he took them to the place where they were ordered, and received the money in my name, without my authority—he had no business to take the bags—I was going to take them myself to Mr. Hunter's, in Praed-street, Paddington—they came to 17s. 2d.,—I have not found the hat—he told me when I met him, that I could have the hat at any time by calling on him at Bermondsey—I did not authorize him to do anything with the bags—he did not bring me the money, nor return at all.
Prisoner. Q. Did the same man who brought the bags sign the note? A. Yes—this is the note he signed—I am positive you are the man—I saw you sign it.
GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined One Year.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)
1814. JAMES BURKE was indicted for feloniously, with three others, assaulting William Riddle on the 12th of Sept., putting him in fear, and stealing from his person and against his will, 1/2lb. of sep., of pudding, 5d.; and 1/4lb. potatoes, 1d.; his property.
MR. O'BRIEN conducted the Prosecution.
WILLIAM RIDDLE . I was going home on Thursday night last, and had 1/2lb. of pork, 1d. of peas-pudding, and some potatoes with me—I saw the prisoner—I had known him by sight for two or three months—I was coming out of William-street, going to Steven-street, and just by the public-house door the prisoner caught me by the collar, and said, "What have you there?"—I said, "Nothing for you"—there was three more with him—I said, "You had better leave me alone"—the prisoner took my meat and potatoes from me, and said, "Come along, I have got all the b—has got"—he used no violence whatever.
Prisoner. When he gave me in charge he was drunk.
Witness. I had been drinking a little, but knew what I was about—it was about half past twelve at night.
JOB CLEMENTS ( policeman.) In consequence of information I apprehended the prisoner on Friday, at half-past twelve o'clock at noon—the prosecutor was very near at the time—he had been drinking, and was not sober then—the prisoner was not drunk, he might have been drinking.
SOLOMON HANNANT (policeman,) I saw the prosecutor about twenty minutes past twelvel at night, at the end of William-street, about one hundred yards from where the robbery was committed—he was drunk then.
Prisoner's Defence. I was at the corner of George-street, when the policeman came up, and said he wanted me to go to the station; I said, "What for?"—he said, "Come to the station-house, and you will see the man"—I said, I would see him first; the prosecutor came forward and said, "That is the man;" the inspector would not take the charge because he was so drunk; he put us back for two hours; they washed the prosecutor's face, and took him to the office.
NOT GUILTY .
JOESPH GOODSON . I am house-steward to Messrs. Hoare, the bankers. On the 16th Sept., at half-past four o'clock—I was on the steps of Blackfriars-bridge, during the fire at Sir Charles Price's—I had a handkerchief in my pocket, and some pieces of waste paper—I missed them—the handkerchief produced is mine—I know the papers—I have no mark on them or the handkerchief, but I know I had such paper, and such a handkerchief.
JOSEPH TULK . I live at No. 4, Plough-court, Holborn—I was on the centre of the bridge during the fire, and all in a minute two handkerchiefs were chucked down at my feet by Callow—nobody bad made a charge against him—the officer rushed forward and picked one up—I took up the other and gave it to the officer—this is one of them—I did not see any paper.
the pockets of several gentlemen on the bridge—I followed him—he went down the steps, and took hold of Smith's hand—they went down the steps together—I saw Smith open the prosecutor's pocket and look into it—Callow was going to put his hand in, but Smith pulled him away—Smith then spoke to the prosecutor—in a minute afterwards he put his hand into the prosecutor's pocket, and took out this handkerchief—Callow directly after put his hand in and took out the papers, and threw them down—I took hold of Smith, and afterwards of Callow, who had got away—I never saw them together before.
Smith's Defence, The gentleman asked me where was the fire; I said round to the right; I walked down the steps, and went and took hold of the banisters; I had no connection with this lad, and never saw him in my life.
SMITH***— GUILTY — Confined Two Years.
CALLOW— GUILTY .— Confined Three Months.
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
MESSRS. CLARKSON and BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.
GEORGE NEWTON BROWN . I am secretary to the South Midland and Northampton Railway Company—the office of that company is at No. 1, Gray's-inn-square—I saw this letter (marked A.) in our office—I do not remember receiving it—this letter, marked B., is a letter of allotment.
Letter A., being read, teas an application for fifty shares in the South Midland Railway Company, dated 9th June, 1845, and signed Ferdinand de Lisle, Devonshire-square, merchant, and Russell-house, Balham-hill, referring to Messrs. Hankey; witness, Charles Launder, land-surveyor, 7, Great Charlotte-street, Blackfriars-road.
Letter B. was dated 5th July, 1845, directed to Ferdinand de Lisle, Esq., Russell-house, Balham-hill, allotting him twenty-five shares, and stating that a deposit of 27l. 10s. must be paid before the 15th instant, and the banker's receipt attached.
MR. BROWN. The banker's receipt was not filled up when I sent the letter—the party obtaining the letter, upon the deposit being paid, would be entitled to the shares, and would obtain scrip receipts—those receipts are saleable in the market—the prisoner came to our office—I am not quite certain as to the day—he produced this letter, marked B.—the receipt was filled up at that time—the subscribers' agreement was produced to him—this is it—I saw him sign this deed—(reading—"Ferdinand De Lisle, merchant, Russell-house, Balham-hill")—Thomas James Tatham and William Young are the trustees—Thomas Hagger is a director, and one of the provisional committee—there are others.
Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Have you been the secretary from the formation of the scheme? A. I have been secretary since the 23rd of May this year—that was shortly after the project was started—we have not got an act of Parliament at present—we have not applied to Parliament—the Parliamentary contract is signed by a great many persons—no person can obtain scrip unless the deposit money has been paid—I was present when the defendant came to the office—the deposit money, 27l. 10s., was paid—I was not examined at the police-court—if we do not get an act of Parliament the persons obtaining the allotments would lose a portion the
deposit money—I cannot say what has been paid—we have issued prospectuses and advertisements—there are four or five schemes in the field against us—if we are defeated in our application to Parliament, the letters of allotment will probably be worthless.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. About this time were the shares at a premium? A. Yes, at the time the deed was signed—a person having a scrip paper of this description would no doubt be able to get rid of it at once in the market.
COURT. Q. At a premium beyond the amount of the deposit? A. Yes, about 2l. at that time—the person selling them would get 50l. beyond the 2l. 10s.
MR. PARRY. Q. Do you call the scrip a person obtains, a certificate of the share? A. Yes, of the deposit having been paid, and when the Act is obtained the person has the shares.
HENRY STANLEY . I am the attesting witness to this subscription of a person to this deed by the name of Ferdinand De Lisle—the prisoner is the person—it is sealed—he came to the office on the 17th of July—I asked him if his name was Ferdinand De Lisle—he said it was—he produced the letter of allotment—I laid the deed before him to be executed, and he wrote "Ferdinand De Lisle"—I have entered under the different heads the words "merchant," and place of abode, "Russell House, Balham-hill"—I got that from himself—he then signed his name—then follows the amount of subscription, the number of shares "twenty-five," and the amount paid, "27l. 10s."—he put his finger on the seal, and delivered it as his act and deed—he said he was brother to De Lisle and Co., Devonshire-square, bankers—the secretary then delivered to him the scrip fur twenty-five shares.
Cross-examined. Q. How long have you been connected with railway schemes? A. The last two years; I have been connected with this company since last Jan.—it was started about May or June—I am a clerk in the office of Mr. Stanley—as applications for shares come in we enter them in a book—a list is made out and placed before the directors—I do not know whether any inquiry was made with reference to this application—I cannot say what inquiries were made—if we do not know the party we should make inquiry—I presume the party signing is the party applying, and on that presumption we allot the shares.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. When you came into the establishment, about June, had all the shares been allotted? A. No, applications were going on.
MR. BROWN re-examined. I believe no inquiry was made at Hankey's, De Lisle's, or at Russell House, after the application was received—the firm of De Lisle and Co. were known.
JAMES SHAW . I and my wife take care of Russell House, Balham-hill, for a gentleman named Wood, the landlord—I have known the prisoner about fifteen years—he was in partnership with my sister's husband some time ago—I had not seen him for about ten years, till he came to Russell House to see me oh a Sunday evening at the latter end of April or the beginning of May this year—he came into the garden, and asked me if there was any name or title to the house—I said it was called Russell House—after a very short time he left—three or four days afterwards my wife received a letter—I never took in any letters myself, nor did my wife hand any over to me—she read them to me—I cannot say whether this letter (B) was one that she read over to me—my wife kept them as
far as I know—after some of the letters had come, the prisoner came—he said, "Why, good God, you almost frightened me to death by sending me such a letter as you did, refusing to take in letters"—I had written in the envelope that if any more letters came I should return them—(Walter Reid Hooper proved the service of a notice on the prisoner to produce all letters, and naming this one)—I wrote in the envelope that if any more letters came directed to Ferdinand De Lisle I should send them back to the writers—it was that brought him down to my house—I said to him, "I am not in my own castle, and therefore do not like taking in any letters, as the landlord might be angry with me for receiving any letters not my own"—he said there was no harm in it—he put his hand on my shoulder, and said, "My good fellow, do you think I would do you any harm, or any one else? I never did you any harm, nor ever will"—he talked me over, saying he would do no harm, and he was only trying to get in as clerk or something to a business in a railroad—I said I did not like the idea of taking in letters in any other name—he left after that—there were several letters taken in after that by my wife.
Cross-examined. Q. Do you know whether all the letters and documents belonging to him have been seized by the police? A. I have been told so—a letter was destroyed by my children.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was that a letter received by your wife? A. It was read to me by my wife—I do not recollect her reading but one.
SARAH SHAW . I am the wife of the last witness. I recollect the prisoner coming one Sunday evening to see my husband—I let him in, and. sent him to my husband—three or four days after that I took in a letter, which I read to my husband—it was destroyed by my children.
Cross-examined. Q. Are you sure that was the one destroyed by your children? A. Yes, I gave it to them, and saw them destroy it.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. What was in it? A. "My dear fellow, since I last saw you there has been several contracts of railways out, and by taking in some letters addressed to Ferdinand De Lisle, Esq., Russell House, Balham-hill, you will do me a great deal of good, as I was once employed by that gentleman, and the clerks will answer his letter, when they might not answer mine"—it was signed "Charles Launder"—in that letter was an envelope enclosed to forward any letter addressed to Ferdinand De Lisle, Esq, to Charles Launder, No. 2, Webber-street, Blackfriars-road, two wafers, a Queen's head, and a small slip of paper, requested to be sent to the Post-office, for them to deliver all such letters addressed thus—my husband received that envelope from me—I saw him write something in it—a letter came three or four days afterwards, addressed to Ferdinand De Lisle—I enclosed that in an envelope after my husband had written in it, and sent it to the post—the prisoner came two or three days afterwards—I afterwards received other letters directed to the same address—I enclosed them, and still forwarded them.
Cross-examined. Q. Have you known the prisoner lately? A. I never saw him till then.
FREDERICK STAUVA . I live at No. 1, Gray's-inn-square, and am secretary to the Isle of Jersey Railway Company. I am acquainted with the family of Ferdinand de Lisle—I was introduced to the prisoner by Mr. Fearon—he brought him into my office, and introduced him as being Mr. Ferdinand de Lisle—the prisoner addressed me directly by the name of Ferdinand—I said, "My name is not Ferdinand"—he said, "Frederick"—I said, "Yes, I believe you are Mr. Ferdinand de Lisle?"—he said
"Yes"—that was all that passed—he then went into the other room to sign the deed.
Cross-examined. Q. Are you a solicitor? A. No—the South Midland, the Cheltenham, and Isle of Jersey railways have their offices at No. 1, Gray's-inn-square—there are others—I do not know their names—it is a sort of railway depot.
FERDINAND DE LISLE, ESQ . I am a general merchant and banker, and live at No. 16, Devonshire-square. I do not know the prisoner—the signature to this deed is not my handwriting, nor was it written by my authority—there is no Ferdinand De Liale in the firm but myself.
Cross-examined. Q. Do you know a person named Beck, of Princes-square, Kennington? A. I know the name—he was a clerk in our office several years ago—I believe the man has been dead some time.
FRANCIS MORRIS (policeman.) I took the prisoner into custody at No. 11, Webber-street, Blackfriars-road. Mr. Stauva was in my company—he was asked by Mr. Stauva if his name was Launder—he said it was—I asked him if he knew Mr. Ferdinand De Lisle—he said yes—I asked if he had signed Mr. De Lisle's name to any railway deed—he said he had—when I was searching his apartment he said if he had signed the deed he had no idea he was doing wrong, because he knew so many others who bad done similar things—I found a pocket-book on him, and a great quantity of letters.
(A certificate of the railway being provisionally registered, was put in and read.)
GUILTY Aged 51.—Recommended to mercy, believing him to be an instrument in the hands of others. — Transported for Seven Years .
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
1817. EDMUND THOMAS YEAKELL was indicted for feloniously forging a certain deed, on the 31st of July, with intent to defraud John Laurie, and others.—other Counts, varying the manner of stating the charge; to which he pleaded
GUILTY Aged 48.— Judgment Respited.
Before Mr. Justice Erie.
GUILTY. of an Assault. — Confined Six Weeks .
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
1820. THOMAS CLOSE and EMILY WHITE were indicted for stealing, on the 4th of Sept., 2 pints of wine, value 8s.; 1 quart of brandy, 6s.; and 3 bottles, 4d.; the goods of Susannah Oliver, the mistress of Close.
MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution.
THOMAS MADDIGAN (police-constable H 196.) On the 5th of Sept., I was on duty in the neighbourhood of Whitechapel, about half-past five o'clock in the morning, and saw White in Old Montague-street, with a bundle under her shawl—I said, M What have you got there?"—she said she had two bottles of wine—I said, "Where did you get them?"—she said she bought them at Bermondsey—I said, "Where are you taking them?"—she said to a friend—I said, "Let me see the two bottles"—she
opened the bundle, and I found three bottles I said, "You have got three, how do you account for the third one?"—she hesitated, and said she intended to make a present of it to her landlady—she said it was brandy—it turned out to be wine—I took her to the station—the inspector asked her where she got the wine from—she said she bought it at the Portugal hotel—we asked if she bought it at the bar—she said she bought it of Thomas Close, for 7s.—I took one of the bottles to the Portugal hotel—it has the name of Edwards on it—I saw Mrs. Oliver there, and she identified the bottle as being one similar to her own—Close was there—I was in plain clothes—Mrs. Oliver told him to go with me—there was no charge made against him, and he did. not know I was a policeman—I at last took him to the station in Spital-square—he was some little distance from White—Mrs. Oliver was to follow us to the station—before she arrived I heard Close say to White, "This is kindness"—when Mrs. Oliver arrived, the inspector said, in Close's presence, that White had said she obtained the wine from him—the three bottles were produced—Close made no answer—the inspector asked him if he wished to say anything before the charge was taken—he said, "No"—that was after White had said she bought it of him—I found in his pocket a piece of paper addressed to E. White—I saw him with his hand in his pocket—the papers were torn.
SUSANNAH OLIVER . I am proprietor of the Portugal hotel, Fleet-street. Close was in my service as under porter since 2nd of Jan.—on Friday, the 6th of Sept., the policeman came to me, and produced one of these bottles—I recognised it as one similar to my own by a name on it—in consequence of what he said, I desired Close to accompany him—I said, "I would wish you to go with this person, and wait till I come; you will probably have something to bring back"—I did that to throw him off his guard—I went to the station, and saw the two prisoners together there—the three bottles were produced—I know one bottle by the name of Edwards on the cork—he is agent for Allsop's ale—it is an ale-bottle, but now contains wine—I never used it for wine—I know this other bottle—it has the name of Powell and Co. branded at the bottom—we had a large supply of these, and are ten short—it contains brandy—I have tasted the wine—it has been mixed—the brandy is the same quality as I have in my cellar.
ELIZABETH GEE I live in Maiden-head-court, Aldersgate-street. I have known White for a short time—I have been with her once to the prosecutrix's hotel in Fleet-street, three or four weeks ago—when we got there we saw Close—she spoke to him—we had a pint of ale to drink together—White told me he was her husband—on Thursday, the 6th of Sept., White called on me, and I went with her to Hoxton fair—it was near eleven o'clock at night when we got home—White left my house, and said she was going to sleep with her husband at the hotel—I told her she had better go to her lodging, for if they were to see her come out of the hotel early in the morning he might lose his place.
White's Defence. I did not sleep in the Portugal hotel; I slept in the witness's passage.
Close's Defence. I did not see the young woman until ten o'clock at night; I gave her two bottles in payment of 9s. I owed her; I did not see her again till she was at the station.
CLOSE— GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Twelve Months.
WHITE— NOT GUILTY .
(There was another indictment against Close.)
OLD COURT.—Saturday, September 20th, 1845.
Fourth Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
GUILTY. on 2nd Count. Aged 33.— Confined One Year, and to enter into Recognizance to keep the peace for five years.
ISAAC HARRIS . I am a bootmaker, and live at No. 42, Wych-street, Strand. The prisoner was in my service for three or four months, and lodged in the house—he left on Sunday, the 7th of Sept.—I missed, among other things, a handkerchief from the parlour or shop, and a pair of Albert slippers—he himself told me of the loss of the slippers—on the 9th of Sept., I went with the officer to Dorset-place, Fleet-street, and found the prisoner there—the officer told him he was charged with stealing some things of me—he said he knew nothing about them, as respected taking them, he knew they had been taken—in coming along he said he was very glad I had taken it in hand, because it would make those who were innocent free from any charge, and those that were guilty would be found out—he came to me in the name of Baker, but also went by the name of Cummins, which is his father-in-law's name.
Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE Q. That was not for purposes of concealment? A. No, be went by either name.
ISAAC ISAACS . I am apprentice to Mr. Harris. During the time the prisoner was in Mr. Harris's employ, I worked under him—I was bound to him for four months by an agreement—on the 21st of July I was sitting at my work in Mr. Harris's top room, and heard the prisoner come up stairs—he stopped on the landing for about two minutes—I looked round, the door was half open, and I saw him with a handkerchief, with a red border, holding it up and looking at it—when he came in I said, "Ton have got Mr. Harris's handkerchief"—he said, "No, I have not"—I said, "You have," feeling on his breast—he said, "You may search me if you like;" and I let it pass—I saw him fold up a pair of white trowsers behind the door—I asked where he was going—he said to Battersea, and if I liked I might go with him—I said, "What will Mr. Harris say?"—he said, "Never mind what Mr. Harris will say; you are my boy"—I went with him—we went up Drury-lane, and he went into Mr. Sayer's, the pawnbroker—I waited outside—I saw him with a pair of white trow-sers, and saw the pawnbroker give him 2s. and a ticket—after that I went to Battersea with him—the trowsers were not claimed by Mr. Harris.
Cross-examined. Q. Do you remember a fire at your master's? A. Yes, my master had some studs in his shirt—I took them out—I was not charged with stealing them—I took them for protection, the shirt was half burnt—I gave two of the studs to Mr. Harris, I felt in my pocket, and could not find the other; but my sister-in-law afterwards found it, in washing the waistcoat, and I directly took it to Mr. Harris.
RICHARD SAYER . I am a pawnbroker in Drury-lane. A pair of trowsers and a handkerchief were pawned together with me on the 21st of July, in the name of "John Williams," for 2s.—this is the handkerchief.
Cross-examined. Q. Did you take in the pledge yourself? A. Yes—I quite sure the two articles were pawned together—I do not know the person who pawned them.
GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Nine Months.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)
NEW COURT.—Monday, September 15, 1845.
Fifth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
WILLIAM COBLEY . I live in St. John's-court, and am a goldbeater. On the 15th of Aug., the prisoner came and said he called to know the lowest price of gold leaf for cash, per 1000—I told him 50s.—about two hours after, he brought an order for 4000 gold leaf—this is it—(read)—"Aug, 15th, 1845. Sir, Please send 4000 large size deep leaved gold, at 2l.10s. per thousand, with receipt, for John Murray, Charles-street, Hampstead-road. Let bearer have 300 with him; remainder tomorrow, if possible"—I gave him the 300 leaves of gold—he said I was to let him have the other as soon as possible, and to send it up to Mr. Murray, a brush-maker, in Charles-street, Hampstead-road—I went up on the Friday evening to inquire, and no such person lived in Charles-street, Hampstead-road—the prisoner said a person in the brush way kept a shop there—he said the 300 was to go to St. Albans, a man was to call there with a horse and cart for it, and, I think, the other was going to Ipswich by ship.
Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Was he taken into custody in your shop? A. No—he waited very leisurely while I tied up the leaf.
GEORGE MURRAY . I do not know the prisoner—I never saw him in my life—I live in Charles-street, Hampstead-road—this order is not my writing—I did not desire the prisoner or anybody else to get any gold leaf—I am a marble mason, and do not deal in brushes.
Cross-examined. Q. What did the prisoner say? A. He said he was sent by Mr. Murray, in Charles-street, Hampstead-road, and he was to have 1s. for his trouble—he wanted me to go to Charles-street with him, and he would point the person out—I did not do that.
Cross-examined. Q. Did he ask you for a drop of beer? A. Yes—I believe he said he did not know anything about it, but he was sent by a person named Murray.
EDWARD CLARIDGE . I live in Warwick-lane, and am a goldbeater. On the 12th of Aug. the prisoner brought me a note I wrote on it the price of gold leaf per thousand, and gave it back to him—in about two hours he brought me this order for 3000 leaves of large gold, and 300 with him, for John Murray—I said, "What is he?"—he said he was a large brush-manufacturer in the Hampstead-road, that he was going to Watford that evening, and wished to take it with him, and I was to be sure not to make it later than Thursday before I sent the rest—I went the next day, and could not find any such person—(read—"To Mr. Claridge. Please to send 3000 large deep gold, at 2l. 15s., and receipt. JOHN MURRAY, Charles-street, Hampstead-road, Aug. 12th, 1845. Let the bearer have 300 with him, remainder soon as possible.")
Prisoner's Defence. That is not the Mr. Murray that employed me; if Mr. Gates had let the officer go with me I might have found him.
GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Two Years.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)
1825. JOHN CLARK was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of Aug., at the parish of St. George, Hanover-square, I dressing-case and fittings, value 6l.; 13 rings, 50l.; 4 pairs of earrings, 15l.; 2 lockets, 3l.; 3 bracelets, 18l.; 16 brooches, 80l.; and 4 keys, 1s.; the goods of Sir John Campbell, Bart., in his dwelling-house, to which he pleaded
GUILTY .* Aged 22.— Transported for Ten Years.
GUILTY .† Aged 19.— Transported for Ten Years.
CLARK pleaded GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Six Months.
PARCEVAL PARKER . I am in the employ of Mr. Benjamin Prew, at No. 295, Holborn-hill. On the 28th of Aug., a little after eight o'clock at night, I was standing inside the shop—I turned round to speak to a gentleman, and saw by the reflection of a glass something taken from the door—I turned round and missed a coat—I went a little way down the street, and met the officer with Clarke and the coat—I had seen it safe not two minutes before—this is it—this is the ticket that was on it.
JAMES DUNN (police-constable F 20.) I was on duty in Holborn—I saw the two prisoners coming towards me—Clark had this coat, and the shop ticket of it in his hand—Way who was in company with him, saw me, and ran away across the road—I took Clark, and asked what he had got there—"Not much," he said—I said, "This is one of Mr. Prew's coats; you must come back with me"—I had known Way before—I saw him with Clark for about a minute that night, and I had seen them together before—they are constant companions.
WAY— NOT GUILTY .
JOHN EMBLIN . I live in Leather-lane. The prisoner was in my service—on the 25th of Aug. I gave him five sovereigns to purchase goods at market to that amount—he brought me back goods to the amount of not quite 3l.—he did not bring me the two sovereigns back—he said he had spent it, and that was the best account he could give me.
Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. I believe he was in the habit of buying meat for you? A. No, it was sheep's heads and plucks—he has been in my service four years—he has purchased other things for me—he was to account tome whenever I asked him—I settled his wages on Saturday nights—it was not the usual course of business for him to settle every Saturday—he was to settle every day, or when I asked him for the account—if I did not ask him he would account on Saturday—he received a guinea a-week—I found him drunk, and then I asked what he had done with the 5l.—he pulled out 3s. 4d.—I asked him about the rest—he said he had spent it, and that was the best account he could give me of it—I gave him the money on the Monday—I expected him with the goods immediately—it was towards the stock of the shop—he brought a portion of it on the Monday, and some on the Tuesday, and he ought to have rendered me the balance—he was to use his own discretion in the purchase of the goods.
NOT GUILTY .
WILLIAM FORGE I am a fish salesman, and live in Rood-lane. Between ten and eleven o'clock in the morning on the 3rd of Sept, I was in my first floor room—my daughters called me down—I saw the prisoner—he had been up stairs to my second floor room, which is used as a counting-house—I did not see him there, but saw him on the stairs—I asked what he wanted—he said he wanted to speak to me—I invited him up stairs to my second floor room to inquire his business—he said he did not want to go up again, he had been up, he wanted a situation—I said, "If you will wait a bit I will get you a situation"—I sent for the policeman, and in my own great coat, which the prisoner had got on his back, he found my silk handkerchief—I had not discovered that he had my coat on—this is my coat and handkerchief—they had been in the second floor front room, which was open—I had seen them there the day before.
JEREMIAH MAHON . (City police-constable, No. 513.) I was sent for, and took the prisoner—I found this coat on him, and this handkerchief the pocket—he said he was out of employ for eight months, and was very hard up.
(The prisoner received a good character.)
GUILTY. Aged 20.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury — Confined Three Months .
1830. JOSEPH FLIGHT was indicted for stealing 1 necklace, value 1l., the goods of John William Powell, from the person of Louisa Jane Powell; and that he had been before convicted of felony; to which he pleaded
GUILTY .** Aged 14.— Transported for Ten Years.
GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Three Months.
GUILTY . Aged 49.— Confined Six Months.
WILLIAM WHEATHOUSE . I am a linen-draper, and live in the Market-place, at Norwich. On the 25th of Aug., about eleven o'clock at night, I was walking down Threadneedle-street—I was accosted by the prisoner, who had a shabby genteel man with her—she came to me in a very rode way, and snatched at my watch, but could not get it—the man walked off almost immediately—he had come close to my side with her, but I do not think he touched me—the prisoner continued dancing and singing very rode airs all the time I was going along Threadneedle-street—I pushed her off several times, and after five or eight minutes I got rid of her, and bid her good night—the policeman was opposite, and told me to take care of my money, as I was in queer company—after I had got ten or fifteen yards I began to feel for my money, and it was gone—I fancied I had taken my purse out at the Bull in Bishopsgate-street, where I had been, and had left it there—I had seen it safe when I had left the Queen's Arms, which was three quarters of an hour before—I had seven sovereigns and six half-sovereigns in it—I followed the prisoner a little way up a court, and examined my pockets—she was afterwards taken by the policeman, and when he asked me if my money was safe, I said it was gone—ten or twelve minutes had elapsed between the singing and dancing and my missing my money—when the policeman took her she dropped the purse containing the seven sovereigns and six half-sovereigns on his boot—I had not charged her with it before, as I was not positive where I had left it—this is my purse and money.
Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Something was picked up? A. Yes, I saw it picked up—I had very little conversation with the prisoner'1—I followed her up a court, but I did not know she was gone up that court—I was feeling my pockets—I had very little conversation with her—she told me to sit down—I did not give her a sovereign—I did not sit down—I stood still a minute or two, and then went up the court—I should think I was not with her up the court three minutes—the policeman came into the court and we came out—I always put my purse in my right hand breeches pocket.
GEORGE KINSEY (City police-constable, No. 656.) I saw the prisoner that evening with a man, who left her, and then I saw the prosecutor with his hand on the prisoner—I looked them in the face, and they moved a few yards to the corner of Broad-street—I heard the prosecutor say "Good night"—he went in the middle of the road, and the prisoner went up the court, which has no thoroughfare—the prosecutor made a stop, felt his pockets, and rushed up the court—they were there two or three minutes,
and I heard him say, "What are you going to do now?"—the prisoner said, "Sit down"—I went up the court and said, "Is your property safe?"—he said, "Yes"—he came out of the court—I brought the prisoner out, and was holding her—he was feeling his pockets, and then he said, "For God's sake hold her fast, she has got my purse"—he came up and said to her, "Give me my purse, or I will give you in charge"—I let go of her left arm, and seized her by her right hand—I then heard something, and felt something fall on my boot—I stooped down and took up this purse, which has been sworn to by the prosecutor.
Cross-examined. Q. You charged her with having stolen it, but the prosecutor told you it was all right? A. I was bringing her down the court for safety, when he said it was all right—he did not appear to ascertain that it was so, because he kept feeling about himself as if he had lost something, and did not know what, and then after I brought her out, he said he was robbed.
JURY. Q. Did you see the purse in her hand? A. No, I felt it drop on my boot—I did not see from whom it dropped—it could not have dropped from the prosecutor—he was two or three yards off—my face was towards him.
GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Six Months.
NEW COURT.—Tuesday, September 16th, 1845.
Sixth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
GUILTY . Aged 41.— Confined Three Months.
1835. THOMAS ROGERS was indicted for stealing 4 spoons, value 10s.; 1 locket, 6s.; and part of a spoon, 1s. 6d.; the goods of John Jones, his master: also 1 copper-boiler, 1l.; 1 tea-kettle, 3s.; 2 lamps, 8s.; 1 egg-slice, 1s.; and 1 sheet, 1s.; the goods of James Colverd, his master; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.
GUILTY . Aged 12.— Confined Nine Months.
GUILTY . Confined Six Months.
1838. RICHARD WHITE was indicted for stealing 22 paving-stones, value 3l., the goods of Richard Pratt, his master; and JOHN CALLOW for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen, &c.
MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.
was mycarman. On the 19th of June I was doing some work on the Bedford estate, Hampstead-road—some paving stones were to be taken to that work—it was White's duty to receive them from the barge at Barrett and Welch's coal-wharf, Whitefriars, and carry them directly to that work, which was on the left of King's-cross, near the turn-pike in the Hampstead-road—White had no business at Callow's premises or in Maiden-lane—that would be quite in a contrary direction to his way.
THOMAS EARP . I am clerk to Mr. Pratt. On the afternoon of the 19th of June, I was at King's-cross—I saw White driving one of my master'! oarts, which contained 3-inch York stones—he did not go towards the work, but up Maiden-lane—I watched him over the bridge, which is quite out of the direction of the work—I did not see what he did with the stones—I told my master what I had seen—I saw White that evening, and asked what he bad done—he said he had done four loads of stones, that three were taken to the Hampstead-road, and the other to John-street—I think he was wanting to be paid for over-time, and I asked where he had been skulking—my master came up, and told him he had been taking the York where he had not been ordered—he denied it—I said I saw him go up Maiden-lane—he denied it, but I do not exactly recollect what hit answer was—he said he had delivered the stones that were to go to the Bedford estate to a mason named Brown—I knew the cart he was driving—it had my master's name on it in large letters.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. How many times have you teen before the Magistrate? A. Three or four—I do not recollect whether White said it was not possible I could have seen him go up Maiden-lane, for he was not there, but he denied it—I do not know what he ought to have taken, for I did not give the order—I have been three years in Mr. Pratt's employ—I Have never had any words with White—he was the last person 1 should suspect—I have never had any money from him, nor asked him to lend me any—when I saw him I was standing against King's-cross, waiting for an omnibus—I ran over to speak to him, as I wanted to send a message by him to Brown, to know whether he would have his piece-work measured the next day, but he went rather fast, and I could not catch him—my suspicions were not aroused enough to follow him, as I did not know where he might be going with them—that was quite out of the way he ought to have gone—he should have gone by the Small Pox hospital, and on to the Hampstead-road.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON Q. What sort of carts are yours, such as you sometimes carry stones, and sometimes mud in? A. No—we carry rubbish—the cart was marked in front quite plain.
JOHN WILLIAM BROWN . I am foreman to the prosecutor—I was at his work in the Hampstead-road on Thursday, the 19th of June—Wright brought two loads of stones there that day—I was present the whole day till seven o'clock at night—I am quite positive he did not bring a third load.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Are you always there? A. Yes—I keep an account in my memory of what comes—perhaps there are five or six loads come from different men—I certainly know what loads I have in from day to day—we are away at meals, half-an-hour at eight and four o'clock, and an hour at twelve—there were two loads delivered that day. from White, and altogether I believe five or six—I do not believe I had any
the next day—I cannot say how many I had the day before—my memory will not carry me so far as that—I was examined four or five times.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When was your attention called to this? A. Not till my master came up the same evening, and asked me how many loads I had had from White—I told him two—he brought one load at seven o'clock in the morning, and one at dinner-time exactly.
WILLIAM GOODHALL . I was the prosecutor's foreman at that time—it was my duty in the evening to book the work done by the carmen during the day—I remember White coming that Thursday evening about seven o'clock—he told me he had done four loads that day, he had taken three up to the Bedford estate, and one to John-street, Bedford-row.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did he not say that Brown could prove he had taken three loads to the Bedford estate? A. Yes.
RICHARD PRATT . re-examined. Q. In consequence of the communication made to you by Earp, did you go with the policeman to Callow's? A. Yes, but I had been there before without the policeman—I went up on Thursday night, the 19th, and saw the stones under Callow's van, which was outside the shed—I should say it was not at all under the shed—behind that shed there was a piece of open ground—I did not see anybody by the stones—they were of the description we were working with—I saw Callow on Saturday, the 21st, in William-street, within a few yards of his own premises—I said he had some stones on his premises, and did they belong to him?—he said they did not—I said, "Can you tell who they do belong to?"—he said he could not—I said, "It is very strange you should have stones on your premises you cannot account for"—he said, "If you will be good enough to step home to my wife, she will explain every thing"—I declined it—the policeman went, and when he returned he told Callow that his wife denied all knowledge of it, and said that he knew about it—his wife came up, and Callow said the little girl fetched him from a beer shop to direct the man where to put the stones—I do not recollect what the wife said in an-swer to that—I do not believe he and his wife had any conversation which I did not hear—Callow said there was the name of Pratt or Platt on the cart, that the man had deposited them there because he had lost his ticket, and he intended to take them away again—Callow was taken to the station—he there said to me, "You ought to have made a witness of me instead of a receiver"—for he said one of my men had been to him and offered him some corn, and he refused to buy it—he had never told me that before—I live about half a mile from that place, and have carried on business upwards of twenty years—there is no other person of the name of Pratt or Platt in my business there, nor yet in London.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Have you any partner? A. No—these stones were in a barge at Whitefriars, for the purpose of being carted to different places—I was going to use them for paving—they were sent by a Yorkshire merchant—I cannot undertake to swear the stones I saw were mine, only from their general appearance—the same quarry mark was on them as on those in the barge—White has been in my service four years—he left and came back again.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was not Callow's answer that he knew but little about them? A. Yes, but that his wife knew all.
ten and eleven o'clock—I saw some stones standing by the van in front of the shed—the van was under the shed—I saw Callow remove the stones to some vacant ground at the back part of the shed—the van still remained there—a tilted cart which was by the side of the van was pulled out, and replaced when he had got the stones there—he removed the stones by swinging them in the usual way to the back part of the shed—he then replaced the tilted cart—the stones were not then so visible from the public path as in front of the van—they could have been removed into the road without interfering with the public foot-path—about three o'clock that afternoon the prosecutor came—he stopped Callow and asked if these stones were his—he said they were not, they were left there by a man who had either lost his address or direction, and asked him to let him leave them there, but if he went to his wife she would tell him all about it—my brother officer went to his wife.
JOHN GREEN COTTER (police-sergeant N 405.) White was given into my custody on the Saturday morning—he was told what it was for—he said it was some of Earp's doings—he said he bad seen him go up Maiden-lane, but he knew he was right; that he had taken three loads to the Hampstead-road, and one to John-street—I went, by Mr. Pratt's desire, to Callow's wife—I came back and told Callow what she had said—she said he knew as much as she did, for she had sent a little girl to fetch him from a beer-shop—I know these premises—this plan (looking at one) represents it—the stones had been removed to the back before I saw them—the van stood in front—the stones would be visible to some persons from William-street, but from some parts not so plain—they would have been more visible where they were originally—there was a piece of vacant ground where they might have been put.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is there a rise to that piece of vacant ground? A. Very trifling—that is thirty-one feet from where they were.
CHARLES SCOTCHMER (police-sergeant G 2.) I was on duty at the station when Callow was brought in—Mr. Pratt charged him with receiving a two-horse load of stones, weighing about two tons, worth about 3l.—I took down the substance of it—the charge-sheet is taken before the Magistrate—Callow said, "How can you charge me with receiving the stones? I have neither bought them, nor paid for them; if you have been robbed of the stones you should make me a witness; I should know the man again who put the stones down in the street; the cart he was with had the name of Pratt or Platt on it, and I think it was the same man the policeman spoke to as we came along"—(that was not White—White was then in custody)—he said, "Instead of charging me with receiving them, you ought to have made me a witness; you ought not to make a receiver of me; when one of your men brought two nose-bags full of corn to me I refused to have anything to do with them."
MICHEAL SULLIVAN . I live in Lay-court, Peter-street, and am a labourer. I was on the bridge in Maiden-lane from five to ten minutes past six o'clock in the morning on Saturday, the 21st of June—I know this shed—I did not know it belonged to Callow—I saw some paving-stones stand against the van—I was servant to Mr. Pratt, and was watching by his direction—I saw two men and a boy; one of them pulled a cart from under the shed, and then the three set to work turning the stones into the shed—I passed by them, and saw Callow take a stone out of the boy's
hand just as I passed, and he said, "You are no use"I went to the policeman, and told him what I had seen—the stones were not all moved—as the policeman and I passed, Callow came out in a little cart, and was going to the Chalk-road—I pointed him out—I am sure he is the man.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON Q. You are in luck to be a witness here to-day? A. It looks like it—if I ran away it was to better myself—I was not charged with stealing stones that I know of—I do not know how many were taken up before I ran away—I was in Mr. Pratt'i service—I did not give him notice that I was going away—I did not go in a hurry—I left on Saturday night, the 21st of June—I was ill all the week before—I sent my wife that night for my wages—I went to earn 3s. 6d. a day—I do not know the name of the employer I went to.
Q. How long had Master Bull and Kemp gone before you? A. I know nothing at all about them—I know them—I do not know whether they were taken ill—I had been at home ill all the week—I left to better myself if I could—I had been working with Bull and Kemp a fortnight before—I know nothing about any stones being stolen—I heard that there was a complaint hy my master that stones had been stolen—I believe that was the same week that I was taken ill—I never heard from my master that he was before the Magistrate, and applying for postponements from time to time because he could not find me, nor that I was accused with others of stealing these stones—I left on the Saturday morning, about half-past eight—I was watching the stones all night—I went home, and did not come again—I did not tell the foreman, or any person, I was going—I did not steal any old bricks belonging to Mr. Pratt from the road—I was charged with it—Mr. Pratt said he would give me in charge for it the next time, but they were old bricks—I did not steal them—I did not take them off the premises—that happened a fortnight or three weeks before this, to the best of my opinion—I do not know how long Bull had been given in charge before I was taken ill—I had not seen him the day before—I have seen him a good many days since—I saw him a week before he was taken up—I did not see him when he was taken up—I heard some of the men that were at work with him tell it—I could not tell how soon afterwards I was taken ill, nor how soon I was forthcoming after Bull was set at liberty.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Before you left, had you pointed out Callow to the'police? A. Yes—I then went to Gray's Inn-lane, to tell my governor—I then went and had half-a-pint of beer—I left because I got more wages elsewhere—that was the only ground—with respect to the bricks, I explained what I had done to my master, and he made no charge against me—I was never charged with stealing these stones, or any other stones whatever.
RICHARD PRATT re-examined. Sullivan has been in my service about three years—I never charged him with stealing these stones in company with one Kemp, or any other person, nor with any dishonest action.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is it a mistake that you charged him with stealing bricks from the roadside, and threatened to give him in custody the next time? A. I cannot charge my memory with it—I cannot swear that I did do it—I do not recollect it.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Do you recollect anything about these bricks? A. I do recollect about some bricks taken out of some brick rubbish—they I were batts—it was not the object of the bricks, but it was a loss of time I—I have kept him in my employ since.
COURT. Q. Did you endeavour to find him after be ran away on the Saturday? A. I endeavoured to find him, to make him a witness against Callow.
WILLIAM MORLEY . I am a labourer. I recollect passing Callow's shed on a Thursday in June—he is a general-dealer, and keeps a coalsbed—he has premises in Mr. Harris's field—I cannot say whether he has any premises building—as I was coming up the gardens that Thursday I saw a load of stones, and Callow and another man were with them—the stones were shot, the horses turned round, and Callow and the man went towards the public-house—I was crossing the road, and I just turned my head and missed them—I do not think there was anywhere they could have gone in to be out of my sight, but in the public-house.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Were you examined before the Magistrate? A. Not on this case—I have been charged with stealing, and been in prison, and suffered my punishment—I was charged by Callow with taking things from one of his houses—I did not tell him I would give him a leg up the first opportunity.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was that one of the houses he was building? A. He said I took things out of one of his houses—he did not say what house—I know his house, but no further—I had taken nothing at all out of his houses—he did not give me in charge—I made no such threat as has been mentioned—on the Thursday evening I told a party who lives in the street of it—I was here as a witness if I was wanted.
JAMES BROWN . I helped to move these stones—they were moved behind the tilted cart—I did not receive directions to remove them—I did it because I thought they would be more convenient, and out of the way.
NOT GUILTY .
GUILTY . Aged 51.— Confined One Year.
WILLIAM FLETCHER . I live at Camberwell. On the 23rd of Aug., at a quarter before four o'clock in the afternoon, I was in Bridge-street—I stood for a minute or a minute and a half, hearing a dispute with a man with a cart and the toll-collector—I felt my handkerchief go from my pocket—I turned, and the prisoner was placing it under his coat—I charged him with it—he did not deny it—I took it from him—this is it—it has no mark on it, but I know it is mine.
Prisoner. There were a great many people looking at the cart; I saw this handkerchief on the ground; I took it up, looked at it; the prosecutor caught me by the arm, and said, "You have got my handkerchief;" I pulled it out and gave it him; I was just going to put it into my pocket; I gave him my address, and told him I was on business. Witness. He did, and I gave it to the officer—I am sure I felt the handkerchief go from my pocket—I turned and saw him with it, moving on—when I overtook him with it, he was about three yards from me—there was a crowd of six or seven persons, and I had to go through them to get to him.
went to Holborn, where he said he was living—he was there occasionally—he gave a right address.
NOT GUILTY .
1841. GEORGE LEFEVRE and WILLIAM NORVILLE were indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Edward How, about one o'clock in the night of the 29th of Aug., and stealing therein 1 watch, value 20s.; 1 key, 3d.; 60 cheroots, 5s.; 2 handkerchiefs, 6s.; 1 sixpence, 50 pence, 200 halfpence, and 10 farthings; his property; to which
LEFEVRE pleaded GUILTY . Aged 15.
NORVILLE pleaded GUILTY . Aged 17.
Confined One Year.
1842. JOHN DALE was indicted for stealing, at St. Bride, 44 sovereigns, 23 half-sovereigns, 1 crown, 16 half-crowns, 30 shillings, 20 sixpences, and 3 groats; the monies of Arthur Lloyd, and another, in their dwelling-house; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 15.— Transported for Ten Years.
GUILTY . Aged 38.— Confined Six Months.
MR. HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.
JOHN MORGAN . I am landlord of the Shaftesbury Arms, in Shaftesbury-street, Hoxton. The prisoner was my pot-boy till between two and three o'clock on the 3rd of Aug.—what became of him then I do not know he left, and I did not see him till the Monday fortnight, which was the 18th—it was his duty to carry out beer and spirits to my customers, and account to me for the money he had received every night—Mrs. Bartlett was a customer of mine—he did not account to me for Sd. received from her on the 1st of Aug., for 8d. on the 2nd of Aug., or for 8d. on the 3rd of Aug.—he has never paid me any of these sums.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE Q. What were the terms of agree-ment between you? A. I took him on the day I took the house, which was on the 3rd of June—I should say he certainly did not find customers for me on many occasions—he was not to have a commission en these articles—I paid him 6s. a week up to the last Saturday before he absconded on the Sunday—he came to me on the 18th, and complained tnat I had made a great noise, and sent police-officers after him—he said he meant to pay me but for that—I requested him to walk with me, and I gave him into custody—there was a memorandum-book of mine found on him, with the names of persons who owed money, in his own writing—it was a book to enter people's names in.
MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. Was that book your property? A. It was—I paid for it—I missed it after he had gone away—I had seen it before he went.
----BARTLETT. I am the wife of Richard Bartlett. I am a customer of Mr. Morgan—the prisoner was in the habit of bringing beer—on the 1st of Aug. I paid him 8d.; on the 2nd, 8d.; and on the 3rd, 8d.; for his master for beer.
Cross-examined. Q. You paid him in the regular way? A. Yes, I paid him the last on Sunday.
GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Four Months.
(There were two other indictments against the prisoner.)
NEW COURT.—Wednesday, September 17th, 1845
Fifth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
1845. JOHN WOODINGTON was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Samuel Bullett, on the 12th of July, at Paddington, and stealing therein 4 watches, value 6l.; 1 pair of breeches, 5s.; 1 shawl, 8s.; 1 breast-pin, 1s.; 1 waistcoat, 5s.; 1 gown, 10s.; 1 necklace, 3s.; 2 brooches, 4s.; 1 shirt-stud, 1s.; 2 razors, 1s.; 1 ink-bottle, 4d.; 1 scarf, 1s.; 5 coats, 2l.; 3 handkerchiefs, 8s.; 1 work-box, 4s.; 1 jacket, 15s.; 1 cloak, 10s.; 1 comb, 6d.; 1 pencilcase, 3d.; 3 eardrops, 1s. 6d.; 1 watch-chain, 6d.; 1 razor-case, 6d.; 1 hat, 5s.; 1 tobacco-pouch, 1d.,2 boxes, 1s.; and a quarter farthing; his property: to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 21.— Transported for Ten Years.
GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Six Months.
GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Six Months.
GUILTY . Aged 12.— Confined Four Bays, and whipped.
GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Four Days.
1850. JAMES PATTISON was indicted for stealing 1 seat-iron, value 6d.; 1 pair of pincers, 1s.; 1 stick-bone, 2d.; 1 stamp, 1d.; and 1 jigger, 3d.; the goods of George Harris, his master; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Three Months.
GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined One Year.
THOMAS BRADLEY (City police-constable, No. 269.) On the 26th of Aug., about twenty minutes past nine o'clock, I was in Holborn in plain clothes—I saw the prisoner lift the tail of a gentleman's coat, and take this handkerchief from his pocket—he ran down the hill as fast as he could—I pursued and took him in Plough-court—he dropped the handkerchief—the gentleman went up the hill—I could not find him.
Prisoner. I was going down Plough-court; the policeman took me and dragged me some distance, and there was the handkerchief; I believe it belonged to one of the two officers; I believe they have some spite against me. Witness. I do not recollect seeing the prisoner before.
WILLIAM SICKLE (City police-constable, No. 290.) I was in company with Bradley—I saw the prisoner take up the tail of the gentleman's coat, take the handkerchief out, and run down the hill—he was taken in Plough-court—I do not know the gentleman's name—this handkerchief is not mine—I have no spite against the prisoner.
GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Three Months.
1853. WILLIAM DODD was indicted for embezzling 14s., which he received on account of his masters, Francis Desanges, Anguish Honour Augustus Durant, and John Gray Wilson. 2nd COUNT, stating them to be the monies of Sir Francis Desanges, Knt., and others, his co-partners.
MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.
JAMES HOWES . I live at Wigginson-common, in Hertfordshire, and am in the service of my father, who is a farmer—I have been in the habit of dealing with the Ramoneur Association for soot, for about two years—on the 15th of July I purchased some soot from them—I received it from the prisoner at Bentinck-mews, Marylebone, where the store is—I paid him 32s. for sixteen sacks—one sovereign, and the other in silver—he gave me 1s. back for my perquisite—I have no doubt that that was the amount I paid, and the sacks that I received—I recollect the soot being weighed, and it weighed just one ton—I should say that is about the weight of sixteen sacks—I was with my father about a week afterwards, when he bought eighteen sacks more at the same place—36s. were paid for it.
SIR FRANCIS DESANGES, KNT . I live at No. 15, Seymour-street. I am one of the owners of this soot, and there are two others—the prisoner was in our employ as foreman—he lived at the place where we had this soot, and kept the key of it—it was his duty to sell the soot—on the 15th of July he accounted to me for 15s., stating it was for selling nine sacks of soot, and that 3s. were deducted for expenses—the 15s. were handed to me, and I handed it to the secretary, Mr. Chapman—it was the prisoner's duty to bring money in as soon as he received it, and account to the secretary or to me—there are positive orders that he was to account to no one else.
Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How long had he been in your employ? A. From about Nov. last, but before that occasionally—he was turned away about the first week in Aug.—I think it was about a fortnight last Friday or Saturday since he was taken on this charge—it might be some considerable time after he was dismissed—I cannot tell for a week or ten days—we had circulars printed about him—knowing that
he had committed twenty or thirty other robberies on me, the secretary called him one Saturday, charged him with these various robberies, and dismissed him—we had ascertained he had committed a variety of robberies, and that was the reason he was dismissed—we did not charge him with them in the circulars, but merely with improper conduct.
Q. Was your principal charge against him that he had done work on his own account? A. No, that was one of the charges, not the principal—he had done work, and employed our men, and received the money afterwards, and put it into his pocket—he took our bills, and sent in—we never offered any money for any information against him—we did not offer 1l.—we never offered anything to Arnold—we never said anything about any reward if information was given—we have a patent, which is enrolled.
COURT. Q. You say he employed your workmen? A., Yes, to sweep chimneys, sent bills in, received the money, and put it into his own pocket.
MR. ROBINSON. Q. Were there other robberies you knew of at the time you dismissed him? A. Yes, there were—we were aware of these charges of embezzlement against him, from information—we were told of it, and we got information from the farmers since—I think he was dismissed about the first Saturday in Aug.—I did not prosecute him for those other robberies, because I should have had great trouble to bring ladies and gentlemen into Court.
JOESPH CROPLEY CHAPMAN . I am secretary to the Ramoneur Association. On the 15th of July Sir Francis Desanges accounted to me for 15s.—I saw the prisoner—he said it was for nine sacks of soot, sold, which came to 18s., deducting 3s. for expenses—I made a memorandum of it—on the 22nd of July the prisoner accounted to me for 18s. 6d. for twelve sacks, 24s., deducting 5s. 6d. for expenses—he was to account for money to me or to Sir Francis Desanges—there was not a sale of soot for a month before the 15th of July, nor after the 22nd of July, till the 19th of Aug.—there was no other sale accounted for by the prisoner within that time.
NOT GUILTY .
ELIZABETH JAMES . The prisoner was my pot-boy—was his duty to account to me every Monday for the money he had received—if he received on the 24th of Aug., 1s., and on the same day 4d., and on the 25th of Aug. 4d., he did not account to me for them on those days, or on the Monday following—he has not accounted for them at all—he was very tipsy on the Monday—on the Tuesday morning he said he would go and get the money—he walked through the stable and went off.
Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. How long had he been with you? A. Three months—he used to take out the beer, and account to roe on the Monday, what money he received he retained till Monday—I had nothing to do with what he sold out—he was bound to give me all the money he received once a week—he had his regular customers to go to—I did not put the beer down to his account—I paid him 6s. a week—if the customers did not pay him he could not pay me—when he took the
beer out, I put down so many pots to him—I did not put it down to any customer till he came home—he never gave credit—he had all ready money for his beer—he in general accounted about dinner-time on Monday, but on that Monday he was too tipsy, and accounted the next morning about eight o'clock—I had not these particular sums down on the slate that week—it was beer he sold on the Sunday—I had it down on the slate against him on the Tuesday morning—he did not deny that he had received the money of these parties.
COURT. Q. Did he tell you he had received the money from these persons? A. Yes—he told me he had all the money in his pocket the night before, and had played at skittles and lost it—he said he would go up stairs and fetch the money, and he went up, took his clothes, and went away.
NOT GUILTY .
HENRY SMITH . I am a warehouseman, and live in Winchester-street. At half-past twelve o'clock at night, on the 9th of Sept., I was in Whitechapel—the prisoner accosted me, and induced me to go home with her—I had been but a very short time with her when I missed my puree, which had 4l. in it—I had seen it safe three quarters of an hour before—I had been drinking, but not very much—I had not spoken with any one after I saw my money safe, till I saw her—I complained of the loss of my money—she said I could not have lost it—she put her hand into my pocket, and found the purse turned inside out—the policeman was called—no money was found.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. You had been on the bed? A. Yes—I do not think I should have gone with her if I had been quite sober—I had not parted from her company.
NOT GUILTY .
MR. DOANE. conducted the Prosecution.
ELIZA SMITH . I am the wife of Lindsey Smith, and live at Sydenham Common, in Kent—my maiden name was Hoy—I was present at a marriage between my sister, Emma Hoy, and the prisoner, at the parish church of St. Luke, Middlesex, on the 30th of Oct., 1836—they continued to reside together about seven years—they had a child by that marriage—I remember my sister leaving him the last time—I thinly she came to me in less than a week afterwards—that was in Nov., 1843—the child was with its mother—my sister is still living.
Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. This was a child of the marriage, was it? A. Yes—the prosecutor is a friend of the family of Mr. Rees, but it is done by my wish—Mr. Rees is not here—he is the person who assisted to give the prisoner into custody—Rees did not want to marry my sister, Mrs. Hibbert, unless a former marriage was proved—he has not set this in motion in order that by convicting the prisoner of bigamy he might marry the wife—I have not heard him say so, nor anything to that effect—he is living at the West end—I think it is No. 4, Davis-street, Berkeley-square—I have never been there but once, about six months ago—my sister was not living in the same house—she lived seven or eight doors off
—she never lived in the same house with him—he was not in the habit of visiting her.
Q. Do you know a certain reverend doctor? A. No—my mother is dead—the policeman has got down the residence of the prisoner's second wife on a paper—he has not brought her to-day—I believe the child is the prisoner's—I have no reason to believe otherwise—I never heard to the contrary—I have heard of a gentleman named Spun—I do not know him—I believe I heard his name from my mother—I am not aware that my mother went to Spurr—I dare say she did—I do not know how soon after my sister had the child Mr. Spurr quitted Kingsland-road—I never heard anything particular about him—the child was born about four years ago—I hardly know how soon it was after that that the prisoner attempted to destroy himself—I believe they had left the house where the child was born—I do not know where it was he made the attempt on his life.
Q. Do you remember Rees coming to Mr. Barclay's, where the prisoner was working, to speak about the matter? A. No—I did not tell Rees to say nothing about the child—I was there with Rees, and the prisoner was present—we went to see what the prisoner was doing, and whether he would maintain my sister, who was living on her friends—I had no idea that the prisoner was married before he married my sister—I cannot tell you all that was said to him—I am not aware that Rees said any thing about marrying my sister—he did not ask the prisoner's permission to marry my sister—I believe he expressed a wish that he should marry her—nobody ever thought that if we convicted the prisoner we should be able to marry my sister to Rees, and I swear Rees never lived with her—I am not aware that the matter about Mr. Rees was very much talked about in Kingsland-road—I was living at Brixton-hill—I know the prisoner had been living at Mr. Barclay's for years—I do not know how long—I did not hear Rees say when he came to Barclay's that he was determined to marry her whether ha would consent or not—I was not present when a message was sent by a boy to the prisoner to come to a public-house.
MR. DOANE. Q. You said something was saia about your lister marrying again provided she was not his lawful wife; was there a suggestion that the prisoner had a wife before her? A. Yes—he came to implore my sister to come and live with him after he attempted to commit suicide—I was not present—she went and lived with him—that was after the birth of this child.
ANN BROWN . I am the wife of Joseph Brown, a carman. I know the prisoner—I was present at Whitechapel Church in Jan., 1844, when he was married to Ann Biles—I put my mark to the register, and my husband put his mark too—the prisoner and Ann Biles came home to my house in the evening—I believe she is still living—I have seen her but once since.
SIMON WILSON ( police-constable K 230.) I took the prisoner into custody in Philpot-street, Commercial-road—I found some keys on him—he requested me to take them to his wife, at No. 7, Philpot-street—I took them and gave them to her—that was Ann Biles.
Cross-examined. Q. Who went with you? A. A gentleman who said bis name was Mr. Rees—he said he was a friend of the family—he did not tell me he wanted to marry Hoy—he went away, and I have not seen him since the last examination—the second wife never made any effort to pro-secute—I requested her to come here—I did not give her a subpoena—I could not find her after I took the keys.
GUILTY . Aged 42.— Judgment Respited.
MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.
ADELAIDE BUHOT . I reside at No. 59, Welbeck-street. I was returning home on the 5th of Sept., about fi ve o'clock, and whilst I was knocking at the door, a person pulled a purse which I had in my hand—it was twisted round my finger, and the person did not succeed in getting it from me, but he drew me about two yards from the door—the purse contained about 10s. in silver—I heard some one call out while the person was pulling the purse from me—in consequence of that call the person let go the purse and ran away—I did not see his face.
Prisoner. Q. When you were before the Magistrate, how many yards did you say you were pulled? A. I could not say—I was very much alarmed.
THOMAS COLING . I am coachman to Mr. Highford, who lives in Welbeck-street. The prosecutrix lives in the house—about five o'clock that day I was coming up the area steps, and saw a lady being dragged by something in her hand—I could not see who it was, but when she turned I saw it was Miss Buhot—I went to the man, and he ran away—I followed him, and he was taken at the end of Hollis-street—the prisoner is the man—I have no doubt about it.
Prisoner Q. Did you not see me previous to taking me? A. Yes, I went and sent a policeman after him—I saw him in Oxford-street, but did not take him—I wanted to get a policeman.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Did you keep your eye on him till the policeman came? A. Yes, and then he ran off, and Fisher took him.
JOHN FISHER (police-constable C 48.) I was on duty in Oxford-street on that afternoon—I saw Coling—he pointed out the prisoner—I went to take him, and he ran off—I pursued him, and came up with him in about three minutes—when I took him he said he knew nothing at all about it—he said he was not the man that tried to snatch the purse from the lady—I had told him I took him for attempting to snatch a purse from a lady—I had lost sight of him once in a street that runs into Cavendish-square—he was not out of my sight for a minute, and when I saw him again he was still running—I have no doubt at all that he is the man that Coling pointed out.
JOHN WALLER . I live in Princes-court. I was near No. 59, Welbeck-street, when this occurred—I saw the prisoner dragging at the lady—I have not a doubt he is the man—I called out, and he let go and ran off.
GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined One Year.
1858. WILLIAM PEARSON was indicted for stealing, at St. Mary, Islington, 1 cash-box, value 5s.; 29 sovereigns, 4 half-crowns, 15 shillings, 10 sixpences, 2 10l. bank-notes, 2 5l. bank-notes, and an order for payment of 5l. 4s.; the property of Joseph Charles Jefferies, in his dwelling-house.
MR. HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.
ELIZABETH JEFFERIES . I am the wife of Joseph Charles Jefferies, who keeps a beer-shop in Sudeley-street, Islington. There is a half door, which goes across the shop—I usually serve behind that—there is a parlour,
in which our customers go to drink—the door of the parlour is opposite the bar—I keep ray cash-box in the side-board cupboard behind the bar—on the morning of the 19th of July, I was serving behind the bar—a person came in for change for a sovereign, and I gave it him—he was a stranger to me—I gave the change out of the cash-box—he could not see what was in the cash-box—he could only see me take it and place it on the top of the cupboard—in about a minute another person came in, who was a stranger, and went into the parlour—he went out again, and said he should return in a minute or two—he came in again, and two persons followed him in—the prisoner was one, and the other was a stouter man, and fair—they came to the bar, and asked for a glass of porter each—I served them—they were whispering together at the back of the engine—I had an opportunity of seeing the prisoner's face—the stout gentleman then asked me to go into the parlour, and get the paper from the gentleman that was there—(he could see a little into the parlour at that time, but he could not see where the gentleman was, who I ascertained had the paper when I went into the parlour—he sat in the further part of the recess)—I refused—I said if be liked to go in, the gentleman had been there before, and I dare say he would let him have it—he said he did not like to take the paper out of the hand of a gentleman, he would rather I would fetch it—on that I went from behind the bar into the parlour—I left no one in the bar but those two persons—when I go into the parlour I never close the door, but when I went into the parlour then the door was shut upon me—I tried to open it, and could not, and it flurried me greatly—the door does not lock—it appeared to be closed by being held—when it was opened the stout man was against the door, and I saw his foot move from the door—the prisoner was not close to him, but at the end of the counter—I asked the stout person what he meant by confining me in the parlour—he began to be abusive, said a bad word, and said he was a gentleman bred and born—I told him his conduct was not like a gentleman—as soon as he had said that, he turned to go to the door—I went to my cupboard, and found the cash-box was gone—I called out for my pot-boy—I told him they were in the street, and to run after them—I went into the street, and saw the prisoner and the other, both running very fast down the street—I saw my pot-boy go after them, and follow them—there was 65l. 14s. in the cash-box—it was made up of two 10l. notes, two 5l. notes, twenty-nine sovereigns, some silver, and an order for 5l. 4s.—it was my husband's property—it has never been found.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. I believe the stout man asked for the paper? A. Yes—I have to come out of the bar door to go into the parlour, but any one outside of the bar could go into the parlour—the window is in front of the bar—it is facing me as I am serving—it is a corner house—the window goes round—when I went into the parlour the other party was sitting at the further part of the room against the window, and he threw the window up himself—I called my boy, who was down stairs in the kitchen—he came up—I said, "Make haste, I am robbed"—the minute I missed the box I went to the door—the boy was up as quick as I went to the door.
MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. From the time you gave change had any person been in the shop but these two persons and the man who went into the parlour? A. No—I had left the door of the bar open as I went into the parlour.
CHARLESS HUBBARD . I am pot-boy to Mrs. Jefferies. On the 19th of Aug. I heard her call out—I was down stairs—I came up, and saw the prisoner and another man outside the door—I had no opportunity of seeing the other man's face, but I looked at the prisoner for the space of a minute—he had hold of the door, just going out—I went after them in consequence of what Mrs. Jefferies said—I saw in the street the prisoner, whom I had seen at the door—he was running—I followed him about 200 yards till he went into Rimer's—I did not lose sight of him till he got there, only at the corner, and when I got to the corner I saw him again running as fast as he could—he did not go in a straight line from Sudeley-street to Rimer's—he went a roundabout way.
PRISCILLA RIMER . My father keeps a fruiterer's shop at No. 10, Eliza-place. On the 19th of July I was in the shop, standing with my back to the shop door—the prisoner ran into the shop, pushed me with tremendous force, ran up, swung himself round one box, got into the other box, pulled the curtain round him, and peeped through—I asked him what be wanted—he could not speak for a minute, and then he said, "A bottle of ginger beer"—I said again, "What do you want?"—he said, "Wait, wait till somebody is past"—I then heard a cry of "Stop thief," and my father gave him into custody.
JOESPH HUTCHINSON . (police-constable G 234.) When I got to Rimer's the prisoner advanced to me, and said, "What is it for, policeman?"—I said, "For a cash-box, I hear"—Mr. Jefferies came in, and I was going to bring the prisoner to the station—he said, "Can't I have a cab?"—I said, "There is no cab here"—he said, "See how I am exposed"—I took him to the station—he was asked his name—he said, "William Pearson"—he was asked his address—he said, "I would rather not tell; my friends are respectable; I should not wish them to know."
Cross-examined. A. Have you found out where he lived? A. No—I have not heard where his father lived—I do not know that his father's house has been searched—I believe sergeant Bran nan has been in the case—one other person has been apprehended—he was a stout gentleman—he was admitted to bail, and afterwards discharged—I did not hear that he was discharged without imputation.
GUILTY. of Larceny. Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.
Before Mr. Recorder.
1859. EMMA WALL was indicted for stealing 1 shawl, value 5s.; 1 locket, 2s.; 1 collar, 4s.; 3 neckerchiefs, 4s. 6d.; 1 habit-shirt, 1s.; 5 printed books, 4s.; 2 bed-gowns, 4s.; 1 shift, 4s.; 2 petticoats, 10s.; 1 yard of silk, 2s.; 1 bag, 6d.; 1 pair of stockings, 2s.; 1 necklace, 2s.; and 1 breast-pin, 1l.; the goods of Richard Wescoe, her master.
RICHARD WESCOE . I live in Collett-place, Commercial-road. The prisoner was in my service—I have seen the things she is charged with taking—they are articles purchased by me for my daughter, who is a minor—she will be twenty-one years old next March.
SUSAN WESCOE . I live with my father, in Collett-place, Commercial-road. The prisoner was in his service about five weeks—I missed a shawl out of a drawer, some pictures a little boy had been playing with, and articles from different parts of the house—the prisoner applied to me yesterday week to go out—after she was gone I spoke to my father, and the prisoner was brought back by the policeman—I took her dress off, and
found my shawl in her pocket, some pictures, and some far—the shawl had been in a drawer, but not the pictures—when I found them, the prisoner asked if I would forgive her, and she would not do it again—she had a key in her pocket, which was delivered to the policeman—thit is my shawl—I am not of age.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How long have you had this shawl? A. A great while—I do not frequently wear it—I have not worn it for some time—I had seen it in the drawer on the Tuesday afternoon, and I took it out of her pocket—I am sure it is mine—I have no mark on it—I have the fellow one to it—these are child's pictures.
JAMES WITTLETON (police-constable K 173.) In consequence of what Mr. Wescoe stated, I stopped the prisoner after she came out of the house—when I took her inside she dropped a pot of pomatum on a chair—I asked her if she had anything else, and she said she wanted to go into the back yard—I told her no—Miss Wescoe searched her, and I left the room—these things were delivered to me—this key opens three parts of the drawers in the house—the prisoner said she found it in the child's drawer—she gave me her mother's address—I went there, and found some black. silk, a pair of stockings, a handkerchief, lace, a gold pin, a locket, five books, and some other things—the prisoner did not tell me anything about those things.
GUILTY. Aged 17.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury,— Judgment Respited.
WILLIAM STUTFIELD . I live in Montague-place, and am a wine-merchant. On the 28th of Nov. I left London—I directed that the windows of my house should be cleaned on Saturday, the 30th—on my return, in a few days, I missed a black coat and waistcoat, and some other things—I have only seen the black coat since, which was shown to me by the officer, at a pawnbroker's, in Gray's Inn-lane—I believe it to be mine—I do not swear to the coat—the whole of the things were worth 5l.—my dwelling-house is in the parish of St. George, Bloomsbury.
THOMAS REEVES . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Gray's Inn-lane. I produce this black coat—it was pawned at my shop on the 30th of Nov., 1844, for 6s., in the name of John Chinnock—I put a ticket on the coat—I have also seen the ticket which I issued when the coat was pawned and they correspond.
WILLIAM STUTFIELD re-examined. My opinion is that it is my coat, though it is a new one—I had tried it on—I have not the slightest doubt it is mine—there is a name always put on the coat by Stultz's people, but it has been taken out.
SARAH NOTLEY . I am the wife of Valentine Notley. I was employed by Mr. Stutfield to keep his house during his absence from town last November—on the 30th of Nov. the prisoner and another man were employed to clean the windows—Mr. Stutfield's coats were kept in a drawer in his dressing-room—the windows of that room were cleaned on that Saturday—on
that evening I recollect the men coming into the kitchen, and the prisoner went away, leaving the other man down stairs—I followed the other man up stairs, and he called the prisoner down from up stairs—the prisoner had a small bundle with him—the coats were missed on the following Wednesday, when Mr. Stutfield came home—the dressing-room is on the second floor.
GEORGE TREW (City police-constable, No. 26.) I apprehended the prisoner—I inquired where he lived—he first told me at No. 28, Clement's-lane, and afterwards at No. 10 or 11, Newton-street—I went to Newton-street first, and could find no such person—I then went to No. 28, Clement's-lane, and searched the room on the first floor—I found in a basin thirty-seven duplicates—seven of them were doue up by themselves, and one of them was of this coat—I gave them to George Wardle—the prisoner told me he lived on the first floor.
GEORGE WARDLE (City police-constable, No. 25.) I was with Trew when he found the duplicates—I told the prisoner we had found them—he said seven of them belonged to him—he said there were two duplicates for a coat each, one at Mr. Reeves's, and another in Long-acre; that the coat at Reeves's was pawned by himself—I apprehended him on another charge, but he knew he was remanded on this.
GUILTY . Aged 32.— Confined Nine Months ,
LOUISA COXHEAD . I am the wife of Robert Thomas Coxhead—we live in Queen-street, Golden-square. The prisoner was in my employ for about nine weeks—I have seen this table-cloth, two purses, and two pocket-books—they are mine—I had left these things with other linen in care of the prisoner, when I left town on the 17th of Aug.—I was sent for by the Magistrate on the 3rd of Sept.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. You were not at home at the time he was charged with stealing these things? A. No—my husband is a tailor—single gentlemen lodge in our house—I usually keep two servants—when I left town I discharged the nurse-maid—she did not leave till the Friday—I left two servants—there were perhaps six or eight lodgers in the house—all the prisoner had to do was to wait on them—there was not a Mr. Batty there—I will swear that—there was Mr. Wiercinski—the children called him Mr. Batty—he is here—I am not aware that he is a very agreeable ladies' man, not more than any other gentleman—I took the children and another servant to Gravesend for their health—Mr. Wiercinski and my husband, and some other friends, came down there.
COURT. Q. You left these articles with other linen in care of the prisoner? A. Yes—the purses and pocket-books were left in the sitting-room—the other things I gave into her charge, with particular injunctions—they were on a chair in the sitting-room—they had come from the wash the day before, and there had not been time to air them—I called her attention to them—I feared my child was dying, and I was compelled to leave town—I desired the nurse-maid to leave on the Friday following, but I found she did not do so.
prisoner was in the room where I was, and she left the room for about a moment, while Mr. Coxhead gave me a description of the robbery—a foreign gentleman went then into the room where the prisoner had been, to fetch the coffee-pot—he tried to pour out the coffee, and found he could not—he opened it, and found some papers in it—he called my attention to it, and I found they were duplicates—I asked the prisoner if she had put them in—she said yes, she had, they were not hers, and she wished to be rid of them.
Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner the only young woman in the house? A. No, there were two other females in the house beside—I had seen the two doors, and I know no one had been in the room that the prisoner went into—I had seen a cup of coffee poured out of the coffee-pot before, by the foreign gentleman—he was not having his breakfast—he was smoking—I cannot tell how he came to go into the room for the coffee-pot, and try to pour out another cup—he had swallowed the first cup, and smoked afterwards—then he fetched the coffee-pot from the other room—I positively swear that the prisoner said that she had put the duplicates into the coffee-pot, that they did not belong to her, and she wished to get rid of them—Mr. Coxhead and the foreign gentleman were present.
HENRY ATKINS . I am shopman to Mr. Young, a pawnbroker, in Princes-street, Leicester-square. I produce this table-cloth, which was pawned on the 1st of Sept, for 6s., by a female, in the name of "Ann Pearcy, No. 3, Panton-street"—I asked if it was her own—she said it belonged to her mistress, who sent her to pawn it—I believe the prisoner to be the person—I am not certain.
Cross-examined. Q. Did you not at first say you did not know her? A. Yes—we have a great many persons pawn at our shop, which was the reason I would not say—the Magistrate pressed me, and said I must recollect—I do not make any memorandum on the duplicate of the description of the person—though I may have seen a person in the shop, I cannot identify them with an article.
JOHN GRAY ( police-sergeant C 10.) I found these two purses and a pocket-book in a pocket in the prisoner's bed-room—she had been in this room in the morning, and said it was the bed she slept in—I found them about two o'clock in the afternoon.
Cross-examined. Q. Was she in custody at that time? A. Yes, and had been about half-an-hour—she was not given into custody till two in the afternoon—I told her I had found a purse in the pocket—she said the pocket was not hers.
LOUISA COXHEAD re-examined. This is my table-cloth—I know these purses and pocket-book—the nurse-maid was discharged, but I gave her permission to remain till Friday—there were two other females in the house, who had been concealed under the bed, according to their own confession—the nurse-maid did not go—she was in the house when the prisoner was taken—there is not the slightest resemblance between the prisoner and the nurse-maid—one of the duplicates in the coffee-pot referred to this table-cloth.
BERTOLD DE WITERCINSKI . I lodged in the prosecutor's house before I went to Brighton—I recollect taking some coffee the morning the prisoner was apprehended—the prisoner brought it into my own bed«room—I had poured one cup of coffee out before she was called by the policeman
from my room I went in out of curiosity—the officer wanted her to be kept in his sight—she had gone into the bed-room, and taken the coffee-pot, though I had not done breakfast—I returned to my room, wishing to pour out another cup of coffee, and it did not go so easy—I looked in and found the papers floating—I thought something nasty had been put into it, and found the duplicates.
Cross-examined. Q. Were you subpœnaed here? A. Yes—they do not call me Mr. Batty but Berty—I did not take a fancy to the prisoner—I had no quarrel with her after her mistress left—I did not tell her I would do her some spite because she would not submit to what I wanted—she had to wait on me in the house—she used to come to my bed-room as many times as I rang.
NOT GUILTY .
WILLIAM JACKSON . I live in Bridgewater-gardens. On the 31st of Aug., I was in Old-street-road—the prisoner and another female stopped me in the highway, at the George the Fourth—it is commonly called the No. 9 house—they said, "Where are you going, my dear?"—I said, "Home, to be sure, where do you think?"—the other said, "Won't you take a walk with me?" and the prisoner said, "Won't you treat me to a drop of gin?"—I said, "I have no money"—the other then said, "Won't you treat us with 2d. worth of oysters?"—I said, "I have no money for gin, how can I have money for oysters?—they then laid hold of me, and dragged me to the corner of the City-road—there the other one shoved rac—they took me to Plummer-street, and asked if I was not going to give them a drop of gin—they then hustled me round and patted me round, and the prisoner said, "You carry a watch; if you can carry a watch you can have 2d."—they dragged me down Plummer-street—there is a court there, and when I got there, there was not a soul near—one of them dragged me, and the other pushed aside of me—the prisoner then pulled my watch out and said, "It is twenty minutes to one"—I said, "Let that alone, it don't belong to you"—I took it from her and put it in my waistcoat pocket—they still held my arm and my wrist—I bad no sooner put it in my pocket than the prisoner snatched it out of my pocket, and she said to the other, "Look out, here is a policeman"—the other went off down a court—the prisoner kept me—I said, Now as the other is gone I will keep you, you have not got the watch, but your mate has"—we wrestled together for four or five minutes, and I called "Police"—I got her into I Plummer-street—she said, "I will black your peepers," and she gave me a claw down the face—I clasped my arms round her, and she bit my cheek—the policeman came and took her, and then she insulted me by kicking me before her.
Prisoner. Q. If you saw me give the watch to that woman, why did not you stop her? A., You prevented me—I had not been drinking with three women before I spoke to you—I had been to see a person very ill at Hackney—I had not been into any house at all.
RICHARD TAYLOR (police-constable N 62.) I heard the call of "Police" about ten minutes before one o'clock on the morning of the 1st Sept—I went to where it came from, and found the prosecutor and the prisoner
struggling together at the corner of Pluramer-streetshe was trying to get from him—he charged her with stealing his watch—here is the guard-chain which was round his neck, and the watch has been pulled out of the swivel.
Prisoner. I did not offer to leave him. Witness. She struggled to leave him, and after I got her she kicked him more than once or twice.
Prisoner. I had three witnesses at the office to prove that the prosecutor was drinking with three women at the George the Fourth, where he was standing when I went in.
COURT. to RICHARD TAYLOR. Q. Is that house open so late? A. Tea, it is a house generally resorted to by thieves and prostitutes—the prosecutor was quite sober.
GUILTY . Aged 25.— Transported for Ten Years.
STEPHEH HAMBROOK . I live at No. 6, Cole's-terrace—I am a carpenter and builder—I have work-shops behind my house—the prisoner was in my employ, and left me about three months ago—I never saw him about my premises after that—I lost some planes three or four months ago—it appears, according to the tickets that were brought to me, that it was on the 13th of June.
Prisoner. Q. Did you miss them at the time I was in your employ? A. No.
THOMAS PERKINSON . I live in Church passage, Islington, and am a tailor—I was sitting in Mr. Lardner's house about ten weeks back—the prisoner was there having his dinner—he asked if I had any dinner—I said no, I had not had work the last week—he said, "I had no work last week, I was forced to raise money on some planes, you may have the duplicates if you will let me have them next Saturday night"—the landlord came in, he had the duplicates, and let me have a dinner—I returned them on the Saturday night to the prisoner, and then he said, "I will let you have them for 4d., or I cannot get a lodging to-night"—I gave it him, and let the landlord have them till he should bring the 4d.—the landlord gave them to Draper, and he to Mr. Hambrook.
Prisoner. I did not pawn the tools; the duplicates I gave to Perkinson
were not for the tools; if you look at the deposition you will see he said he was not certain they were for carpenter's tools.
THOMAS PERKINSON re-examined. I gave the same duplicates to Mr. Lnrdner—I had no other—I did not say I was not certain about them—he owned at Clerkenwell that he stole the things, and pawned them to buy himself aprons and caps.
Prisoner. You promised at Clerkenwell you would recommend me to mercy. Witness. He pleaded guilty there, and he told me he pawned a saw at Mr. Needes'.
GUILTY .— Confined Two Months without hard labour, and to enter into hit own recognizance for Three Years.
NEW COURT—Thursday, September 18, 1845.
Sixth Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined One Month.
GUILTY . Aged 13.— Confined Fourteen Days.
GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Three Months.
1868. EDWARD BRAZIER and JOSEPH HINCKS were indicted for stealing on the 5th Sept. 2lbs. weight of tea, value 7s.; the goods of Catherine Fincham and others, their masters: and JOHN WILLIAMS for feloniously receiving the same, well-knowing it to be stolen.
MESSRS BODKIN. and ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.
GEORGE RUSSELL (City police-constable, No. 34). On the 5th of Sept. I was on the dry arch over Thames-street, in consequence of directions I had received from Miller and Locock—I was in company with Coombs about five minutes—after two o'clock I saw Hincks and Brazier come down Miles'-lane, and turn to the right-hand—they looked about some little time, and then turned up Arthur-street, they went up a little way, and turned back in a short time—I saw Brazier had a white paper parcel in his hand—he gave that parcel to Hincks—they passed on towards where I was, and I then saw Williams come round Arthur-street, with his cart—Hincks then had the parcel in his hand-Williams came from Arthur-street into Thames-street—I saw Hincks
put the parcel into his own 'right-hand coat pocket—he had a pepper-and-salt blouse on—the pocket was not big enough to receive the parcel and hide it—part of it was out of the pocket—I then crossed the road and passed down the steps into Thames-street—Hincks passed me, and went into a public-house at the corner of Fish-street-hill—I do not know the sign of it—Williams then drew up to the public-house with his cart, got out of his cart, and went into the house—I did not see Brazier then at all—I stopped some time till Williams and Hincks were going out at one door, and 1 went in at another—Williams got into his cart—I saw through the window that he was in his cart—he was in the act of putting something into the cart, and covering it over.
COURT. Q. You did not see Hincks give him any thing? A. I did not.
MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did you notice Hincks after that? A. I did—he had not the parcel in his pocket when he came out—I followed the cart to the Swan public-house, at the corner of College-hill, and there Williams got out and went into the Swan—I believe Hincks turned to the right-hand up Arthur-street—Williams was in the Swan some considerable time, and in and out of his cart several times—I then saw Williams go away towards London-bridge—his cart was left in Thames-street—I followed Williams till he went down the corner of Little College-street, or College-hill—I went there, and found he was out of sight—I returned immediately to the cart—it had been drawn a little way up College-hill—I saw Williams come down College-hill—I went up to him and told him we were police-con stables, and asked what he had got in his cart—he said, "Tea—I told him we had been watching him some time, and asked him how much tea he had got—he said, "About 20lbs."—I asked him where be bought it—he said, "At a house in the City—he said lie should not tell me where—I asked him if he had any hill of parcels—he said, "No—I told him it was my doty to take him to the station—I have very often seen the prisoners together for the last two or three weeks, before I took them—I have seen them all together at different public-houses, at Smith's and the Black Bull, every day almost—Williams came with his cart every day but one—one day he walked—he usually came about two o'clock.
Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. There is a public-house into which Hincks and Williams went, and Hincks came out without any appearance of a parcel in his pocket? A., Yes—I do not know the name of the landlady—that house was not searched—there were several parcels of tea exhibited at the Mansion-house in this case—my attention was directed to one of them—it was a white parcel—I do not believe it was so large as the one I had seen in Hincks's pocket.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. After you took Williams, did you examine the cart? A. I did not—I saw Coombs in it—there were a great many parcels produced at the station—I did not see them in the cart.
JOHN POTTS . I am one of the firm of Catherine Fincham and Co., tea-dealers, Martin Vlane, in the City—I was shown a parcel of tea, said to have been taken from Williams's cart—this is it—(looking at it)—it is fine gunpowder tea—we had tea of this description in our stock at the time this matter occurred—there was half a chest of it open at the back part of our ware-house, and it had been so for some little time—half a chest is about 60lbs.—I have not a doubt in my own mind as to this being a part of our stock—this
bag corresponds with ours—I give that opinion on my own knowledge.
COURT. Q. Where did you get this tea? A. I bought it at the sale by Watkins, the broker—I do not think there were more than about forty half-chests of it on sale, in what we call a break—we have sold it nearly all to go into the country—I could not tell this from the other we sold—it is all precisely the same quality—gunpowder teas run a good deal alike; but there is not a great deal of this—this is a long-priced tea—we give 3s. 9d. a pound for this, without the duty, which is 2s. 2 1/4d.—there is not a great deal of this sold—we have bags precisely like this—we buy our paper always at one place, at Messrs. Magnay's—I saw one bag that I said was not mine, and when I saw this, I was pretty well sure in my own mind it was ours, and I said, "That is our bag"—I think this tea weighs about 3 1/2lbs., or 3lbs.—Hincks admitted having taken it.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Hincks and Brazier were both in your service? A. Yes, and had access to the place where this tea was—Hincks was to be there at seven o'clock in the morning—both Brazier and Hincks had opportunity of getting to the warehouse where this tea was—it was open—Brazier was to be there at eight in the morning—the general time for our people to go to dinner is one o'clock, and they stay till two—that would be known to be the time that the men would be away from the ware-house.
COURT. Q. How was Hincks generally dressed? A. When at work he wore a short jacket, and when he left he had a nankeen blouse that he more generally, when he went to dinner, carried on his arm—if he had tea, that would not show it, if he carried the blouse on his arm, nor if he had it on—it had pockets on the outside, and one breast pocket—Brazier had very large pockets to his coat.
MR. BODKIN Q. After these people had been taken into custody, did you see Hincks? A. Yes, on the same day, in our counting-house—he did not say anything about this matter until I spoke to him—he then said something about it—before he said that, I had not said anything to induce him to do so, or promised him any lenient treatment, or anything.
Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Did you not say to him, "If any leniency can be shown to you, it shall?" A. That was a very long time after—the police-man was outside the door, in the warehouse—the policeman brought Hincks in to me—he did not say to him, "You hear what your master says, it will be better for you to tell the truth."
MR. BODKIN. Mr. Bodkin. Q. What did he state to you? A. I said I was sorry to see him in that case or state—he said, "I am very sorry, sir; I have been doing wrong"—I said, "What kind of tea is this you have been taking?"—he said he could not tell what tea it was, because Brazier took it, and had given it to him, and he had given it to Williams—I said, "I am afraid it is not the first case, Joseph?"—he said, "No, it is not by a good many"—he then said, "I mean to speak the truth;" and certainly I did then say it was the best thing he could do, and if there could be any leniency shown him it should.
SAMUEL COOMBS (City police-constable, No. 16.) I was in company with Russell, at London-bridge, on the day this happened—I first saw Hincks and Brazier in Thames-street, coming towards the dry arch of London-bridge—they were in company together—almost at that moment
Williams came with his cart—I did not observe anything pass from one to the other.
JOHN MAJOR . I am clerk to Fincham and Co. I was at my employers' place when Hincks and Brazier were brought in—I heard Brazier say he was very sorry, and the sentence concluded with "wife and family—the rest of the sentence I could not hear.
COURT. Q. Is your bag-maker here? A. No, he is ill.
MR. PARRY. Q. How long was Hincks in your employ? A. About six years—up to this time we heard nothing against his integrity—we received a good character with him—he is a married man—I think he hat children.
NOT GUILTY .
1869. The said JOSEPH HINCKS and ROBERT WAYWOOD were indicted for stealing, on the 5th of Sept., 16lbs. weight of tea, value 3l., the goods of Catherine Fincham, and others, the masters of Hincks; and JOHN WILLIAMS for feloniously receiving the same, well-knowing it to be"stolen; to which
WAYWOOD pleaded GUILTY. Aged 35.— Judgment Respited.
MESSRS. BODKIN and ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.
GEORGE RUSSELL ( City police-constable, No. 34.) On the 5th of Sept. I had been watching on the dry arch at Thames-street—I watched the cart of Williams to College-hill—I saw him go up Thames-street, to the corner of College-hill—he left the cart, and went down Thames-street, and turned up Little College-street—I went to the top of Little College-street, and there lost sight of him—I returned to the cart, and continued to watch it some time, at the top of College-hill—I saw Williams come down College-street with a blue bag on his shoulder, apparently full—I knew very well where Waywood lived—that was in the direction from which Williams came, about two minutes' walk from the cart—when Williams went down there, he bad no bag or parcel with him—when he brought the bag, he turned down College-hill, and put it into his cart—I stopped till he was going away, I never lost sight of the cart; and as he was getting into his cart, or just about it, I went up and told him we were police-officers, we had been watching him some time; and I asked what he had got in his cart—he said, "Tea"—I said, "How much?"—he said, "About 20lbs."—he said he bought it at a house in the City, he should not say where—I asked him if he had any bills of parcels—he said, "No"—I told him it was my duty to take him to the station—Coombs took possession of the tea.
SAMUEL COOMBS (City police-constable, No. 16.) I was with Russell on the 5th of Sept., when he saw the cart go down College-hill—I took possession of the cart, and took possession of this blue bag io the carter—it had this parcel of tea in it.
ROBERT WAYWOOD . I am the party charged in this indictment, and have pleaded guilty—at the time this occurred I was in the service of the firm of Miller and Locock, tea-dealers, No. 4, Queen-street-place, near Southwark-bridge—I lived at that time at No. 2, Hand-court, Thames-street—that is not far from Little College-street—when you get to the bottom of Hand-court, you turn to the right to go to Dowgate-hill, and if you turn to the left it leads to Chequer-yard, and then to Dowgate-hill—I
know Fincham's place of business—it is No. 3, Martin's-lane, near Dowgate-hill, about 300 yards from myhouse—I was at their place on the 5th of Sept., about a quarter past seven in the morning—I saw Hincks there—I had known him before for many years—I was acquainted with Williams—I had known him ten or eleven years—I knew him when he was in the employ of Fincham's—I cannot tell whether I had seen Williams on the day before that, or on the Saturday—I had seen him a day or two before—I brought some tea from Fincham's that morning—it was in a canvas-bag—the bag is not here—Hincks put it into the bag—I asked him if we should "put a bit up"—he said, "Yes"—that meant stealing it—Hincks weighed the tea—there was 16lbs. of it—he brought it to the door, and I took it away from there to my house—I put it into the kitchen—I did not undo it from the canvas-bag then—I left it in the same state as I brought it—I went to my work at Miller and Lococks—I got home to dinner about half-past two—I took with me from Miller and Locock's, a paper bag and some string—I turned the tea out of the canvas-bag into the paper-bag, and tied it up with the string—this does Dot look much like the bag now, but it may be it—this is the same string—it was just such a bag as this—the string is a string we generally use for sewing parcels, not what we tie up with—while I was at dinner Williams came—he brought a blue bag with him, like this—he said nothing, but took the tea away—he did not pay for it—my wife was in the room—the parcel in the paper-bag was put into the blue-bag—nothing was said about price—I had known Williams ten or eleven years—he knew I was employed at Miller and Locock's—I was porter there—I had had dealings with Williams before this—no money was paid—nothing passed about money at all—I have received money from Williams—I received 3s. from him one day in the week before this took place—I was not at all in his debt when he took this tea—I saw Mr. Potts soon after I was taken, and made a statement to him.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. You were at dinner when Williams came? A. Yes, sitting down, eating—my wife was in the room—she was dining with me—when Williams came we were both at the dinner-table—nobody else was dining.
MARY WAYWOOD . I am the wife of Robert Way wood. I was at home on the 5th of Sept.—I remember seeing this parcel at my house that day, and Williams took it away—I first saw it in the morning—I did not see who brought it—it was down stairs—I only have a small house with two rooms in it—when I came down from the bed-room I saw it in a kind of kitchen, a very small place—my husband was there—I had not let him in—I had been up all night with the children—I told him to go out,—I had mislaid the key of the door—he came home in the morning, and I had no opportunity of seeing what he brought—I had not seen the parcel there the day before—I saw it a long time before dinner, just after I came down stairs from the children—my husband went to his work—I remember his coming home to dinner about two o'clock—I let him in—he had one white paper bag with him, with nothing in it—he put the tea into the white paper bag, and put it on the table, and Williams took it away—I did not notice whether it was fastened in any way—I think there was a bit of string round it—the tea had been before in a different kind of bag, a canvas-bag—my husband had not been at home at dinner-time above a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes before Williams came—Williams took away the tea in a blue bag which he brought with him—he was in our house a
very few minutes—he had not been in the habit of coming to our house till about a fortnight before that.
Cross-examined. Q. Have you not said that Williams was not the man? A. No, sir—I was called before Mr. Waller, the inspector, and Mr. Locock, to identify the man—I said that was not the man, it was a darker man—I did not say I would take my oath that was not the man—I said Williams was not the man, but I was frightened, I did not like to tell that he was the man; but he was the man—I said he was not, in the presence of the inspector and Mr. Locock, but all the time he was the man—I knew him to be the man.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Where were you at that time? A. In the station-house—they came and turned everything out in my house, and found nothing but the tea in my cannisters.
JOHN POTTS . I am a wholesale tea-dealer, in partnership with Catherine Fincham and George Matson. Williams had been in our service seven or eight years since—Hincks was in our service at this time—I have no doubt that this tea was ours very lately, I should say on the day before the 5th of Sept.—we had tea of this quality in the back part of the ware-house, in a tray—Waywood had no sort of access to our premises—he had been employed by us, but not at that time—I should say he left a year and a half ago—he would not, except through Hincks, have any access to our premises—I went to Giltspur-street with Mr. Locock and Waller, and Waywood made a statement.
Cross-examined. Q. What kind of tea is this? A. Congou—it is not a very fine sort and long price—we paid about 1s. 2d. a pound for it, if it is the same tea I think it is, and the duty is 2s. 2 1/4d—we buy a very large quantity of this quality of tea in a year—this was bought at public sales, where no doubt other dealers buy tea in large quantities—I know Miller and Locock—they are large tea-dealers—they do not do so much business as we do—I should think they have not a large quantity of this sort of tea.
COURT. Q. Have you missed tea? A. I cannot say we have—we have too large a quantity, but that this is part of the tea which was at the back of our warehouse, I have no doubt in my own mind—we had such tea to lose—I should say the retail price of this is about 4s. 6d. a pound—I would observe, that though this is congou, it is of a class I could much more easily swear to than to some others that we have—it is what I am familiar with on our premises—it has been lying loose on a tray for some time.
MR. BODKIN. Q. What does this weigh? A. I have not weighed it—the officer stated it weighed 15 1/3lbs.—that is not a usual quantity to sell—we sell 14lbs. or 71bs.
RICHARD LOCOCK . I am partner with Mr. Miller—we live in Queen-street-place—I have not a shadow of a doubt that the bag in which this tea is, is one of our bags—Waywood was in our service at the time this happened.
(James Mandeno, tallow-chandler, of Shoreditch; George Lambourn, coal-merchant, of Hackney-road; Joseph Henshaw, baker, of Leonard-street; William Rainsby, boot-maker, of John's-row; and Henry Meek, an ironmonger, of Hoxton, gave Williams a good character.)
HINCKS— NOT GUILTY .
WILLIAMS— GUILTY. Aged 35.— Judgment Respited.
Second Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
WILLIAM BERCLAY . I am a cooper, and live in Wapping. On the night of the 29th of Aug. I fell in with the prisoner, in Wapping—I went up the Highway with her, went to a public-house, and gave her a little treat—I then went home with her to Rosemary-lane—I paid her the charge for the night, and stripped off my clothes—I had four sovereigns—I sounded them in my purse before I went to bed—I put my trowsers on the top of the pillow, and my watch below it—she then told me to put the light out, and I did—she then got up, because she said the bed was not right, and she would have more sheets on it—she begged me to light the candle again—I tried to get a light, and could not do it—she said, "Never mind," she would go up stairs and get a light, but instead of that, she went out, and went away—in about two minutes I went to the bed—I found my watch was safe, but my purse and four sovereigns were gone.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. You have got lodgings of your own? A. Yes, at No. 333, High-street, Wapping—I had been giving two little treats before I treated her—the last house I was at was the Cock and Neptune—if I had about a dozen round me there, I could not help it—I gave them a quartern of gin—I had none—I was quite sober—I was about two hours with the prisoner—it was a wretched place I went to with her—there were scarcely any sheets to the bed—I had had four sovereigns and a half in my purse—I took the half-sovereign out and changed it—I suppose I began about nine that night to go about giving little treats—I had treated a man and his wife—I got to the prisoner's between eleven and twelve.
DANIEL SAGG (police-sergeant H 17.) On the 29th of Aug. I received information from the prosecutor, that he had been robbed in a house in Russell-court, Rosemary-lane—I went in search of the prisoner, and found her at the House and Leaping-bar, Whitechapel, at two o'clock in the morning—I told her I wanted her for robbing a man of a purse and four sovereigns—she said, "I know nothing about the purse; he gave me half-a-crown to sleep with me"—there was 1s. 3 1/2d., and a knife found on her—I found nothing in the room—the prosecutor was quite sober.
GUILTY .* Aged 27.— Confined Twelve Months.
WILLIAM BERCLAY . Whilst I remained in the room which I have described as the room of Mary Coleman, waiting the return of the officer after my complaint to him, the two prisoners came and knocked at the room door—I said, "Who is there?—they said, "Jack, open the door, the two policemen think they have got the girl that took the money"—I opened the door, and they said, "Bear a hand, we will show you the way, it is not far off"—Morgan staid in the room to keep it, and I ran off with Cochrane—when I got out there were two or three people about, but there were no policemen, neither was the girl there—Cochrane then cut off, and when I got back to the room, I could not get in, the door was fast—I got a policeman, and got the door open, and Morgan was gone, and also my hat which I had left in the room.
Cochrane. I was walking down the yard, and this man said to me, "Did you see a girl run down this turning?"—I said I saw a girl run down, I but I could not tell which house she went into; I turned back, and said, "She went down here;" I did not like to stop for fear the policeman would think I would do something wrong.
Witness. No, I was in the room, and the door shut—they knocked at the door.
Morgan. I never saw him till I was taken into custody in a public-house; and when the officer asked him if he knew me, he said, "No," at the moment; but he was so exasperated at losing his money, that when he came down again he said I was the person; it is only spite; he cannot deny that he said he did not know me. Witness. You would never have been taken to the station if I had said you was not the man; the officer took your hat off, and said, "Is this the hat?" I said, "No, I know nothing about that hat."
PIERCE DRISCOLL (police-sergeant H 24.) I went find searched the room, but could not find the hat—while I was there the other officer brought Coleman, and the two prisoners followed into the room—I know that Morgan and Coleman live together—the prosecutor gave the two prisoners in charge for stealing his hat—I searched Morgan, and on him I found these two keys, both of which open the door of the room where the prosecutor left his hat.
Cochrane, I was in the public-house; the officer Sugg came and took my hat off, and said it was very much like the man's that was lost; I went to the station-house, the policeman took me to Coleraan's house, and he told me to go away two or three times; I was rather obstinate, and would not; he told me he would charge me with felony if I did not go away—I followed, and said what did he take my hat off for.
DUNIAL SUGG (police-sergeant H 17.) I did not—he and Morgan followed me to the house—the charge was not made then—I suspected them, and let them follow—they interrupted me several times in taking Coleman—they followed to the room, and were identified, and taken into custody on the charge of stealing the hat—they said they did not know the prose-cutor, they had not seen him—the prosecutor was not with me when I took Coleman—I took her in a public-house, nearly a mile from the room.
Morgan's Defence. It is not very likely that I would have followed the officer if I had known I had been guilty of anything, if I had been in a public-house in Whitechapel, so far from Rosemary-lane, that I would have followed him and thrown away the chance of escaping I positively deny having any cohabitation with Coleman in my life; I was in the public-house, and Coleman began playing some tricks; she had the two keys in her hand, and I took them from her; I followed her down merely to give her the kes; the policeman knows that I did not cohabit with her; I live not far from the place; I said I came to give the keys up, and I had got them in my coat pocket; I have no doubt the officer would have taken me to the station, only I said I had got the keys in my pocket.
MORGAN*— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Twelve Monihi.
COCHRANE— NOT GUILTY .
JOHN KISSOCK . I am a draper, and live in Cambridge-road, Bethnal-green. On the 5th of Sept., at a quarter past eight o'clock in the evening, I was walking in Whitechapel—I turned round, and noticed the officer, Taylor, had got the prisoner Wright by the collar, and I missed my silk handkerchief from my pocket—I had used it a little time before—I felt it in my left-hand skirt pocket a quarter of an hour before.
Wright. When Taylor had hold of me there was a mob round, and how could he see whether he had hold of me—he came and said, "Mr. Taylor, have you got my handkerchief?" and how did he know he was an officer? Witness. He told me what he was.
SAMUEL TAYLOR . I am the street-keeper of Whitechapel. On that evening I saw Wright at the corner of Petticoat-lane, following Mr. Kissock, and Thompson was in company with Wright—I saw Wright take hold of Mr. Kissock's left-hand pocket, take a red handkerchief out, and pass it to Thompson—I immediately seized Wright with my left hand, and I just got hold of Thompson's coat, but he made his escape, with the handkerchief in his possession—Wright resisted, but I secured him.
Thompson. If the officer caught hold of me why did not he keep me, if I had the handkerchief, and let the other go away? I was not there.
SAMUAL TAYLOR re-examined. He was—I know both the prisoners well—I could not hold Thompson—I had a stick in my right hand, and could not keep him—I called to a man to run after him, but the man is rather deaf, and did not hear me.
Wright's Defence. I was walking in Whitechapel; Taylor came up to me, almost tore me in pieces, and said I had picked the gentleman's pocket; it was almost dark; how could he tell a red handkerchief or a white handkerchief if that was the case, but it was not the case, I assure you; I know nothing about it.
EDWARD BURGESS (police-constable H 198.) I produce the two certifi-cates of the prisoners' convictions, which I got from the office at Clerken-well—they were both convicted on a joint indictment—I was present—they are the persons—(read—Convicted 5th Aug., 1844; confined twelve months, six weeks solitary.)
WRIGHT— GUILTY . Aged 27.
THOMPSON— GUILTY .
Transported for Ten Years.
FRANCIS THOMAS GILLMAN . I live in Yeoman-terrace, Brompton. Between one and two o'clock in the morning, on the 5th of Sept, I was returning home by Piccadilly, and met the prisoners at Hyde Park Corner—they were near each other—Wright accosted me, and asked where I was going—I said, "Home"—she wished me to go with her—I told her I should not—she put her hands on two posts which I had to go through, and said I should not go through—in about a second I felt something cut round my neck—I felt, and missed my watch from my right-hand waistcoat pocket—it had been attached with a swivel to a silver guard-chain
which was round my neck—the watch was gone, and the chain left hanging—when I put my hand into my pocket Wright ran off, and I pursued her—Jones was standing about two yards, or not quite so much, from Wright, and Wright spoke to her, but I cannot tell what the said—Wright had before said it was all right, and her friend would watch, if I would go with her, which I told her I would not—that was previous to my losing my watch—when I had lost it, Wright ran along Piccadilly, but she did not go above two yards before I caught her by the clothes—she gave the watch to Jones, who threw it over the enclosure, and a man went in for it—I took Jones, and called for the policeman, who took Wright—my watch was taken from the guard—this now produced is it.
Wright. He came up to me and said I had taken his watch; he was rather the worse for liquor; I said I bad not; I did not make any attempt to run away; he had been down Constitution-bill—there were three or four persons about, and two boys there, at the time.
FREDERICK HUNTLY (police-constable F 119.) I heard a cry of "Police," and ran up, and saw the prosecutor have hold of Jones—he told me to go and catch Wright, for they had robbed him of his watch—I took Wright—she said she was innocent—I saw the watch lying on the ground—I told a man to get over the railing and get it—I did not get up in time to see it thrown over—the prosecutor appeared quite sober.
Wright. No, he was not; he had not bold of me; I could hare run away before the policeman came.
Wright's Defence (written.) I was standing by Hyde Park Corner about two o'clock in the morning; there were three or four more women standing by at the same time, and two boys: they were strangers to me; Mr. Gillman passed by, and I think he was rather intoxicated: he had been down Constitution-hill with a woman before he came up to me; he immediately laid hold of me, and said, "You have robbed me;" I instantly looked at him, and asked his meaning; he ran after Jones, and asked her if she had his watch; she said the same as I did, that she was quite willing to satisfy him she was innocent; I did not attempt to ran away; I walked up instantly, as I have stated before; there were other females present besides me; it was found in the lodge garden by Hyde Park Corner; a cabman picked it up; how am I to tell, gentlemen, who threw it there? how can they swear to me more than to the others that stood by at the time?
WRIGHT— GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transported for Ten Years.
JONES— GUILTY . Aged 31.— Confined One Year.
NEW COURT.—Friday, September 19th, 1845.
Fifth Jury, before Mr. Recorder.
GUILTY.* Aged 15.— Confined Six Months.
MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.
On Tuesday, the 26th of Aug., I was acting as waiter, at the White Horse, Old Ford—I saw the prisoner sitting on a form in the parlour up stairs—he asked me for a pint of half-and-half—it came to 2 1/2d.—he gave me a crown piece, which I carried to Mrs. Pool, the landlady—I am positive I gave her the same crown—she gave me 4s. 9 1/2d. change, which I took to the prisoner—on the Thursday afterwards, I saw the pri-soner again, sitting outside Mr. Pool's house—I was called down to see if I knew him—he was the same person that I had seen there on the Tuesday.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. This was fair time? A. Yes—close to the fair—we had a great many people there in the evening.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Look at the prisoner—have you any doubt that he is the person? A. No—he is the person.
ELEANOR POOL . I am the wife of William Pool, who keeps the public-house at Old Ford. On the 26th of Aug., I received a crown piece from Austin—I gave him 4s. 9 1/2d. change—I put the crown piece he gave me into the till—my husband was at home that day, but he was not in the bar when I took the crown—he came in in ten minutes afterwards—I remained in the bar till he came—there was no other crown piece taken out or put into the till before my husband came into the bar—it is six months ago since I took a crown piece before.
WILLIAM POOL . I am the husband of Eleanor Pool—I remember coming into the bar on the night she has been speaking of—I looked into the till directly, and began to take the money out—I found only one crown piece there—I examined it, and found it was bad—after I found where it came from I put it into my pocket—I afterwards wrapped it up in a bit of paper, and put it in a drawer, apart from other money, and it remained there till I gave it to the policeman—on Thursday, the 28th of Aug., I was serving in the bar, and I received another crown from my pot-man Summerfield—I looked at it—it was bad—in consequence of what my pot-man said to me I went for the policeman, and gave the pri-soner into custody—I gave the second crown to the policeman at the station.
Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. This was the fair time? A. Yes—the 26th and 28th of Aug. were both the fair time—there were a great many people inside and outside my house—I had two waiters, Austin and Summerfield—they were both assisting—there was a great crowd—Summerfield had lived with me two or three weeks—I had a good character with him and he had lived with me before—he had been a lodger at my place four or five months.
ROBERT SUMMERFIELD . I am pot-man to Mr. Pool, at the White Horse, Old Ford. I was there in the evening, on the 28th of Aug.—I saw the prisoner there—he asked for a pint of porter—I took it to him—he proposed to pay for it with a crown piece—I took it in to Mr. Pool—an officer was sent for, and the prisoner was taken.
Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Was any one with the prisoner? A. Yes, a female at the time I took the porter—I will swear it was not the female who gave me the crown—the prisoner gave it me himself—there were a great many people there calling for the waiter—I can swear my head was not turned from the prisoner at the time I took it—I have been a waiter twenty years.
GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.
NOT GUILTY .
LUOISA TERRY . I am servant to Mr. Trevett, of Market-st., Edgware-road—the prisoner brought bread there from his master—I paid him 1s. 6d. for his master, Mr. Brown, on the 25th of Aug.—he wrote a receipt on the bill—this is it.
RICHARD BROWN . The prisoner was in my employ—he was sent out on the 25th of Aug.—he was to account to me for money every day he received it—he did not account to me for this 1s. 6d., received from Mr. Trevett, on the 25th of Aug.—a week after that I spoke to him about his being dirty in his work, and he ran away—he never accounted to me for this 1s. 6d.—when he was taken he offered to come back and work it out.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. He did pay you for some deficiency out of his wages? A. That was on the Saturday before—on the Monday I told him if I found any otber deficiency I would give him in charge.
COURT. Q. Did you strike him on the Monday morning? A. No, I took him by the collar, when he told me he had cleaned the copper out, and he had not—he was taken two days afterwards in a coffee-shop.
NOT GUILTY .
MARK COHEN . The prisoner was in my employ at the latter end of April, 1844, and he worked for me off and on several times—he was engaged as an oaker on paper—I charge him with stealing three combs—they are not here—he came to me one day and said, "I want some new combs, to go to work—I gave him a half-sovereign to get them, and he brought me a shilling change—I had them ground, and he went to work with them, and then he came and said to me, "Will you sell me those combs?—I said, "No, I want them to do other work with"—I altered his work, and he came to me again on the Friday, and said, "Will you sell me those combs?—I said, "No, certainly not; I want them for my own work—they cost me 9s., and 1s. for the setting, which was 10s.—on the Saturday evening he gave me his bill—he did not offer me half-a-crown—I gave him his wages, and before he went I said, "Where are the combs and brushes?—he said, "Upstairs in the factory—I handed the man the money to pay him—the man went with him to pay him, and I never clapped eyes on him till last Monday, and this was eighteen months ago—I met him in Whitechapel-road, on Monday, and I said, "You have got my combs—after some altercation, he said, "I bought them of you; I
will pay you for them—I said, "No, you will not; it is not the first time; you will go before a Magistrate."
Cross-examined by MR. HORRY Q. It is eighteen months ago since he left you? A. Yes—I do not know where he has lived all that time—I can swear I did not know where his father lived—I do not know to this day—I do not know his father—if he stood before me I should not know him—(looking at the prisoner's father)—to the best of my belief I never saw this man in my life—the prisoner came down and said he wanted a new set of combs—I gave him a half-sovereign, and he brought a shilling back—I said before the Magistrate that I gave the prisoner a half-sovereign, and it was taken down and read to me—I did not buy the three combs for him—I do not know where he bought them—he said he wanted three combs—the three will make up the width of the paper, which is twenty-one inches wide—he told me he was going to work for himself—I said before the Magistrate that I asked the prisoner where the brushes were, and he said, "Upstairs in the factory—I do not know whether it was taken down—I do not know whether there was a person with the prisoner when I gave him into custody—there were two or three walking along—he did not come running up to me—I saw him coming along—I was going to get into a bus—he did not show me any paper—he had some under his arm—he said nothing about asking me to buy it—a young man came to me to do the same work, and I said to him, "I can't give you work, for young Robins has got the combs and brushes; if you can find him and get them I will employ you; but I will never employ another man without he finds brushes and combs—I never told the police about this robbery at the time—I never said a word about it till I met the prisoner—if I had not met him now I should not have looked after him—I did not like the trouble of coming here.
STEPHEN PROWN . I am in the employ of Mr. Cohen. I was there when the prisoner worked for him—I saw the prisoner wrap up the combs in a bit of paper—I asked him what he was going to do with them—he said he had bought them of Mr. Cohen, and he was going to pay him on the Saturday night—he did not make any concealment of what he was about—he told me had bought them, and was to pay half-a-crown for them on Saturday night.
JOHN FRESHWATER (police-constable K 146.) I saw Mr. Cohen running after the prisoner—he gave the prisoner into custody—the prisoner said he had bought the combs of Mr. Cohen, that Mr. Cohen had sent a man for the money, and he gave the man 2s.—he said he knew the man; but did not know his name nor where he lived.
MR. HORRY called
JAMES ROBINS . I am the prisoner's father. I live in Old-street-road, and am a paper-stainer. I know the prosecutor—I really cannot say that he knows me—he may know me—I have been twice to him to show him my patterns—he knew me perfectly well—I told him what my name was, and he wanted paper which he cannot manufacture—he is obliged to come to those who can do it—he did not allude to my son taking any brushes from him.
COURT. Q. Did you tell him you were the father of this boy? A. My being the same name, I thought he must of necessity know me.
MR. HURRY. Q. What has the prisoner been doing since? A. Working for himself in Golden-lane, which, I should think, is two miles from
the prosecutor—my son has not been out of the way—anybody could have found him—of all people in the world, paper-stainers are the most sure to he known—it is the most ready way to find the master, to speak to one of the boy 8 in the street.
Prosecutor to the Witness. Q. Did you ever tell me your name was Robins? A. Yes—I went one evening close upon the sabbath, and you said, "Well, leave me a pattern of your work, and call again," which I did the next week—that was the next time I went—I only went twice to the father's house—I have been to the son's house in Leadenhall-street—I left the father my card with my name on it—here is one of my cards—he would not send to me because I would not do the patterns at his price.
Prosecutor. If such a card had been left with me, I should have sent to him—I have wanted them fifty times.
Witness. My son works at full trade-price—I used the combs up which he brought to me—he said, "Here are the combs I bought of old Cohen" I said, "What did you give for them?"—he said, "Half-a-crown—I said, "Fools and their money are soon parted—it was more than their value, because it is impossible to use three combs in making oak paper—the paper is laid on a table, this coarse comb is used first, we go down the paper, and then this small comb comes after, and then we come up the other side the whole width of a piece of paper—it is impossible to use more than two combs—if you purchase these new, they cost only 6s.—when he brought them to me I wore them out, but I would not have given more than 1s. 6d. for them—when these combs are new, if you use them a fortnight they are good for nothing.
JOSEPH DENNISON . I am a watch-maker, and live in Golden-lane. On the 15th of Sept. I was in company with the prisoner in Mile End-road, about two o'clock—I came with him near the turnpike-gate—it rained very fast—we crossed the street, and I was going to a customer, when the prisoner said, "Stop a minute, I see a person who is likely to be a purchaser of my paper"—he had two rolls of paper with him—he ran back as hard as he could, and met the prosecutor at the corner of the street—the umbrella was up, and they stood talking together for some seconds apparently to me—the prisoner then ran a little way—he came running to me, and said, "Here is a pretty commencement, he charges me with stealing three combs,"and then the prosecutor ran up to him—I can say that the prisoner went up to Cohen, and that Cohen did not stop him—I have known the prisoner for seven or eight years—he has had an honest industrious character.
NOT GUILTY .
GEORGE SARGEAMT . The prisoner was in my employ—t live in High-street, Mary-le-bone, and am a cheesemonger and pork-butcher—last Saturday I gave him 12lbs. of meat to make into pork-sausages—he took the meat into the sausage room, returned in about an hour, and hung the sausages up—I noticed there was a small quantity for a dozen pounds of meat—I took them down, weighed them, and found only ten pounds—I made particular enquiries if any had been sold, and was satisfied there was not—I made no mention of it to the prisoner—about two clock he went to
dinner and left his coat—I was in search of the sausages, and found them in his coat pocket—I paid him at half-past ten at night, and he went away—I followed him down the street, and said to him, "James, have you any property belonging to me?"—he said, "No"—I said, "I missed some pork sausages this morning, I think you have them"—he said, "I have three or four, do pray forgive me, it is the first time"—I gave him in charge of the policeman, Gore, who took the coat off his arm, and felt in the pocket, and found the sausages—I then mentioned to him that I had seen some bacon in his coat, and he said he had left it in the sausage room—I said I could not find it there, and then he said he had put it back in the shop.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE Q. How many sausages were there in his pocket? A. Ten—there was some sausage-meat left, which I weighed with the sausages, and there was exactly ten pounds with what he brought up to the shop—there ought to have been thirteen pounds—I gave him twelve pounds of meat, and six ounces of seasoning should have been put in, and about one ounce of crumb of bread—the prisoner did not generally sleep in my house—he has slept there—I have only one lad and a man beside the prisoner—he did not board with me—he would have been entitled to his supper before he went—I asked him if he would have any supper, and he said "No"—I believe he had some porter—we generally give them some porter, or a drop of spirits.
ARTHER GORE (police-constable D 199.) I received the prisoner into custody last Saturday night, at half-past ten o'clock—I found the sausages—he begged his master to forgive him, and said it was the first time, and he would never do so again—he seemed sorry for it.
(The prisoner received a good character.)
GUILTY. Aged 18.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor. — Confined Seven Days .
MARY ANN LOWE . I am the wife of John Lowe. We live in Sutton-gardens, Chalk-road, Islington. On the 10th of Sept., I missed part of a clock movement—when I heard the policeman had got it, I looked and found it was gone—the kitchen window was open, and it was taken out there—this is it.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. What is deficient in this clock? A. The bell and the pendulum—the bell is at home split in half, and has been laid by many years—I missed this between eight and nine o'clock in the morning—I could not say whether the window was open before or not—I believe it was very fine weather—I could not wind this clock up—the weights are at home, and the pendulum is wanting.
THOMAS SIMPSON . I am one of the jury in waiting. I am in the clock Line—I consider this to be very imperfect—it is part of a clock—it is part of a clock movement—if there were only one or two wheels, we should call it part of a movement—it is part of a clock movement—several things combine to form a clock movement—this is not a movement—it is imperfeet—I should not call this anything but old brass and iron—it was a clock once, it is no clock now.
Cross-examined. Q. What is the meaning of the movement? A. The wheels and the frame—I should not call each of these wheels a movement—we
do not call all the different parts a movement—I should call this brass—it is an old clock.
JOHN BAILEY (police-constable N 347.) I saw the prisoner and another I person near the prosecutor's house, on the 10th of Sept.—the prisoner bad I something with him—I asked him what he had got—he said some bones—I took this clock out of this old apron, which he had—the prisoner took off his shoes and made off—I sprung my rattle—my brother officer took him—it was about twenty minutes before six o'clock in the morning.
GUILTY .* Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.
1881. THOMAS JOHN MOSS was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of Sept., at St. John, Wapping, 12 sovereigns, 10 half-sovereigns, 40 half—crowns, 40 shillings, 33 sixpences, 84 pence, and 249 halfpence, the monies of Robert Prest, in his dwelling-house.
MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution
ROBERT PREST . I am the manager of some flour mills, belonging to Messrs. Pavets at Execution Dock. I live on the premises. The part of the premises where I reside communicates with the room where this money was kept—on the 2nd of Sept. I locked up in the desk the cash which I bad received on that and the previous day—the balance was 24l. 13s. 6d.—it consisted of gold, silver, and copper—I should say there was from 15l. to 16l. in sovereigns and half—sovereigns, about 12s. or 15s. worth of copper, and the rest was in silver coin—there were two 5s. papers of coppers tied up, the rest was loose—one parcel was all penny pieces, and tied in brown paper—the other was pence and halfpence mixed, and tied in a periodical paper or an old newspaper—I locked it up safe at six o'clock at night on the 2nd of Sept.—it was on the second floor of the mill—the front of these premises is next the street, and they are continued to the waterside—at the water side there is access to the premises over a folding door, through which they get the coals in—anybody could get over the folding—doors from the water—on the following morning I went into that room in consequence of what was said to me, from three to four minutes after six o'clock—I found the desk open—I perceived it had been forcibly opened, and I found an iron crowbar on the sacks—all the money I have statea was gone—some bad money was left—I sent for the policeman immediately—I noticed the window was partly open—it had not been fastened on the previous night—it is usually opened for air—I looked out of the window immediately, and there was a ladder against the wall which had not been there before—it was a ladder usually brought and used by the coal porters to get coals in—it does not belong to as—anybody getting over the folding doors could get to where the ladder was immediately—they could then mount the ladder and get into the room—I know the prisoner perfectly well—he had been engaged in coal work at the mill—I have paid him money, and he has been present at the desk, so as to know where the money was taken from—I live in the house—it is my dwelling-house.
Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. When was it, to the best of your recollection, you had seen the prisoner last, assisting to bring coals on your premises? A. I think it was in the preceding week—I will not swear
that he was there then—the number of men who came with the coals depended on the quantity of coals we had, perhaps four or five men—there was never but one man came up for the money—he has the work, and he employs what men he pleases—this occurred in the second floor of the mill—I saw the ladder—it is not very heavy—not more than one strong man could raise by himself—it is a heavy ladder—I never tried it myself—I know it has been tried—the second floor window is twenty-two or twenty, three feet from the ground I suppose—my house is attached to the mill—sit is all one building—the partition from the mill to my house is like opening one of the doors of this Court to go into the passage.
MR. DOANE. Q. It is one building; you could not separate the two without pulling them down? A. No—it is in the parish of St. John, Wapping—the ladder is one the coalmen walk up—the room window was not open the night before.
JOSEPH NATHAN . I am a fisherman, and live in Back Church-lane. I know the prisoner by serving a lodging-house where a young woman that he used to be with, lodged—I saw him on the 2nd of Sept, about ten minutes before four o'clock in the afternoon, and I saw him the last time at half-past eight, or a quarter to nine at night, by Mr. Taverner's public-house door, in the Highway—there was no one with him—I had a glass of spruce, and he had a glass of spruce—he gave a young woman a glass of ale—we did not sit down, we had it by the bar—I was going home, and he said, "Don't be in a hurry; I will have my revenge of the sailor that has gone home with the girl to Devonshire-street"—the sailor had gone home with this young woman in a cab while we were there—the prisoner went into the public-house again, and he came out and sent me for a cab—it was driven by Jenkins—I brought the cab—I sat on the box—the prisoner was then talking with a young woman at the corner of Cannon-street—he then got in, and he said, "Come in, Mr. Nathan," and he told the cabman to drive to where I lived, in Back Church-lane—the cab drove there—the prisoner paid for it—he took some coppers from his pocket, and paid 1s. in coppers—I did not notice whether it was pence or halfpence—when we got to my house I got out, and said, "I am going in-doors to supper"—the prisoner asked if it was agreeable for him to come inside—I said, "Yes, come in"—my wife was there—the prisoner sat down, and said to my wife, "Will you have anything to drink?"—she said, "No"—he went over his pocket, and gave her 6d. in copper to get some gin—she fetched it—he drank a glass, and gave me a glass, and then he put his hand into his pocket, drew out a half-sovereign, gave it me, and said, "That is for yourself, Mr. Nathan"—he then gave me four half-crowns, and said, "I have just got 6l. from my uncle"—my wife had from him 5s. worth of coppers tied in brown paper with a piece of packthread, all in penny-pieces—he is not related to me—I never was io his company twice in my life, and he gave me all this—he was not intoxicated—he did not continue in my house five minutes—my wife said she should like half a pound of steak for supper, and I went with her to get it—the prisoner went with us, and he said, "You might as well walk down as far as Devonshire-street," which we did, and there I wished him good night, and saw no more of him—I believe the house he went to was No. 11, Devonshire-street—that was the name of the street that he said the girl and the sailor went to—I think it was about a quarter to ten when I left him.
COURT. Q. Were you not surprised to get such a boon? A. Yes—I never was in his company twice in ray life, no further than seeing him at this lodging-house.
Cross-examined. Q. You saw him three times that day? A. Yes; I first saw him about five minutes before four o'clock, at the Rose public-house—I was going down to the London Dock—he came and said, "How are you?"—I said, "I feel very queer"—he said, "Will you have anything to drink?"—we had a pot of porter—that was the first time I ever drank with him—I afterwards went home to my tea, and after I came from tea I met him at Tavemer's door—that was about half-past six, or about six—we had something to drink then, and I never saw him any more till about half-past eight, and then I had the glass of spruce—I did not ask him home with me—I said my supper would be ready at nine o'clock, and he said, "Don't be in a hurry"—he then went home with me, and sent for gin, and exhibited his money—he did not appear as if he had been drinking—I did not hear my wife ask him for any money—I think I have called at the lodging-house where he is for seven or eight months—I first told about the half-sovereign and the four half-crowns when the policeman came to me, one or two days after the 2nd of Sept.—I think it must have been on the Wednesday afterwards; I am not sure—I have not any of the money now—I am a poor man.
COURT. Q. How soon did you hear of the robbery? A. I think it was one or two days afterwards that people told me of it—I did not know where it was rightly—I left word with the people where I live, and the officer came up.
JOSEPH JENKINS . I drive a cab, and live in Back Church-lane. I remember being called by Nathan last Tuesday fortnight, between half-past eight and nine o'clock in the evening—my cab was then in Old Gravel-lane—the prisoner was standing at the corner of Cannon-street—he opened the cab door, got in, and ordered me to drive to Back Church-lane—my fare came to 1s.—he gave me twelve penny pieces, and two penny pieces for myself—I left him at the corner of Brunswick-place, Back Church-lane—about the Monday or Tuesday night following, I was standing opposite my cab, and the prisoner came across and spoke to me—he asked me if I had seen any Thames police-officer inquiring of me—I told him I had, and I asked him what he had been doing—he said he had been taking a swag—I said, "A swag of what? money or what was it?"—he made me no answer—I did not understand what a swag was—he said he gave young Nathan a sovereign, and his wife 5s.—he then left me—I saw him again on the Thursday morning—I was then on the stand, near to Wright she called me across the road, and asked me if I would have anything to drink—we went into Wright's, and had some gin and milk—when we came out, he said there was 5l. reward offered for him if they could catch him—I looked at the clock, and said, "It is half-past six"—the prisoner said he was tfoing to work—he went down Gravel-lane, and I saw no more of him till lie was in custody.
COURT. Q. Did you give information to the Thames police-officer? A. Yes, he came to me while I was in bed.
Cross-examined. Q. It was the morning after he told you 5l. was offered for him that he was taken? A. I do not know when he was taken—I asked the prisoner what he had been doing, not what he was charged with doing—he did not say, "I am charged with taking a swag"—he
said, "I have been taking one"—I did not hear of the robbery that had been committed at the mill—I did not hear where it was, nor what it was—I heard there was something taken—when the prisoner came to me, he asked if I had seen an officer inquiring after a man who had taken another man away in a cab—the officer had not been to me, though I told the prisoner there had been one—it was about nine o'clock at night when he paid me in coppers—I had only received a shilling before that—I am out at night, not in the day—I go out at six o'clock at night—I cannot tell how long I remained on the stand that night—I did not take notice—I go home at five, six, seven, or eight o'clock in the morning—I cannot tell what time I went home the next morning—I cannot tell how many fares I took that night, or how many shillings, sixpences, or pence I received.
COURT. Q. You do not often get paid in coppeis? A. No, very seldom—it was not more than a mile I carried the prisoner for 1s.—it was not quite so much as a mile.
JOHN FRAZER . I am a waterman, and live at No. 25, Tarling-street which is the next turning to Devonshire—street. I have known the prisoner the last seven or eight years—on the night of the 2nd of Sept. I was up Devonshire-street about half—past ten or a quarter to eleven o'clock—I heard something inside as I passed one of the houses—I do not know the number of it—I recognized the prisoner's voice inside it—I sung out, and said, "Is that you, Tom?—the prisoner came out, and asked me to go and have a drink of beer—I told him I thought he had had enough, and he had better go to bed—he asked me again to come in—I went in with him—I there saw three women, a girl, and another man, who were sitting in different parts of the room—the prisoner was going to give one woman a sovereign, and I saw a quantity of gold in his hand, I should say very nearly 20l., but, being in his hand, I might be deceived—there might be more or less—I saw a bag, like a sample bag, but I could not say what was in it—I heard the prisoner say, "God strike me b----y blind if I have not just been and done the mill to—night."
Cross-examined. Q. What might a sample bag be? A. It was not a paper bag—I cannot say whether it was canvas or duck—I was never in that house before—I did not know any of the parties there—I served my time as a waterman, but I have not taken my freedom—I have been in prison twice, once for an assault, and once on suspicion of stealing copper—I was only out of my time last Saturday, and have not had time to take my freedom—there were four or five persons in the room—I do not know that they all heard that expression of the prisoner—he did not whisper—he told it to me by myself, not in confidence—I do not suppose the others could have heard it—there were two or three of them talking—he did not offer me any of the money—he was very tipsy—I did not hear of the mill robbery the next day—I believe it was the second day after—I did not go to the mill—the police—inspector came and asked me if I knew anything about it, and I told him—I did not say a word of this till theinspector came—to tell the truth, I went to the inspector, but he had been asking I for me before—I went to him last Saturday—I had heard then that the I prisoner was in custody—I had seen the prisoner two or three times after I saw him that evening, and I had been at work with him—there were six I at work altogether, five and myself—the captain paid Moss, and when he I came on shore he was taken into custody.
Q. You did not communicate to any one what had occurred in this
mysterious way before you met the police-inspector? A. Yes—I communicated it to two young men at the stairs, two or three days afterwards—I one of them was Ralph Scott—he is a waterman, and lives in Old Gravel-lane—I do not know the number, and I mentioned it to a person of the lane—I do not know the number, and I mentioned it to a person of the name of Watkins about the same time—I have seen Watkins to-day—I do not know Whether he is here—I did not get any of the money I say the prisoner with—I was in the house a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes—I had a drink of beer—the landlady, Mrs. M'Callow, lives in the house, and she was there—we were in the back-room on the ground floor—the others were drinking a drop of beer-room on the ground floor—the others were drinking a drop of beer and drop of gin—I had a drop of beer, and bid them good night.
MR. DOANE. Q. How long was this copper business ago? A. About twenty months or two years—I was not tried by a Jury, but summarily I convicted—I have been to sea since that—I have had no quarrel with the prisoner.
JAMES CHRISTOPHER EVANS (Thames police-inspector.) I was seat for to the mill, on the morning of the 3rd of Sept., by Mr. Prest—I found the desk had been broken open by a crow-bar, which was on one of the sacks—I found marks on the desk, which satisfied me it had been broken open with that bar—the window was open, and the ladder stood as Mr. Prest has described—I went to the Tunnel-pier that morning—I went there again in the afternoon, and saw the prisoner in the waiting-room at the Pier, before you come to the wicket—I knew him by sight for many years, and had been in the habit of seeing him at that pier—I did not say anything to him in the first instance; but he said to me, "What do you think, master, I am suspected of this robbery last night"—I said, "What robbery?"—he said, "At the mill"—I said, "Who suspects you?—he said, "I do not know; I have been told I am suspected—I said, "Well, if you are suspected, perhaps you could tell me where you were last night"—he said, "Yes, I will tell you everywhere I went; in the afternoon I was drinking at the Old Rose, along with a chap named Nathan, who sells fish; we went from there over to Taverner's, and from there we walked together down to No. 11, Devonshire-street, Commercial-road, where I stopped till past two o'clock in the morning, or about two—he said, "You can search me—he pulled off his jacket, and unbuttoned his clothes—he took a silver sixpence and a halfpenny out of his pocket, and threw it down, and said, "There is every copper I have got in the world "I then left him—he has a girl living at No. 11, Devonshire-street—I saw him again on the Tuesday week following—he was coming on shore in a boat at the water-side—I walked down to the place and met him—he said, "I have been hard at work; how do you get on with that job? I hope I you will find it out; I will never believe but some one in the mill has I done it"—I had then made inquiries of the cab-man, and I said to the prioner, "When you told me where you went the other night, you did not I say anything about your riding in a cab—he said, "that was a cab I hired for a drunken sailor, and when I went to look for him he was gone, and I could not find him—I took him into custody on the Thursday evening following, which was yesterday week—I told him he was charged on suspicion of entering the mill, and stealing 24l. 13s. 6d. out of a desk—he said, "I have got nothing to say about it"—there were two examined—nations before the Magistrate—I remember the witness Frazer being examined—after I had heard him examined, I went to the Pier where I had met
the prisoner, and examined one of the barges which support it—I there found two small parcels—one contains 11l. in gold, and the other, 10s. in silver, secreted in the bottom of the barge, under the water—it is the barge the prisoner is in the habit of lying about in.
Cross-examined. Q. The waiting-room is on the barge? A. Yes, and under the waiting-room in the barge were these parcels—there were no holes to put them down—fifty people might go into the barge without going into the waiting-room—I found them last Thursday week—they were not thrown about; they were concealed just under the surface of the mud that is at the bottom of the barge—there are seven sovereigns and eight half-sovereigns in one parcel, and 10s. in silver in the other—these are the parcels—I put them into a little sample-bag, and had them sealed up—the prisoner did not hail me on the barge—he was waiting in the waiting-room—I went and stood against the door-post and looked at him in the face—he told me he was with Nathan, and went to No. 11, Devonshire-street—I will swear he did not say, "We went together"—he said, "walked together"—he said, "We went from the Old Rose to Taverners, and walked together from Taverner's down to No. 11, Devonshire-street"—I saw him again on the Tuesday following—I had in the interim had communication with other parties—I did not arrest him till the Thursday after.
Cross-examined. Q. Who first called your attention to the state of the mill in the morning? A. One of the millers.
Prisoner. The Sunday before the robbery was committed I earned 13s. in pence at Hungerford, which is the harvest for watermen; the money I only lent to Nathan; being excited by the conduct of the young woman I went home, got the money, and gave it him to take care of for me; I had not left Nathan a quarter of an hour the whole of the afternoon and evening, but when I went home and fetched this money.
MR. O'BRIEN called
ANN M'CALLOW . I live at No. 11, Devonshire-street, Commercial-road; my husband is at sea; his name is Edward M'Callow. On the night of the 2nd of Sept. I saw the prisoner at my house—there was a young woman there whom he has known a length of time—she has been confined at my house—there was Mrs. Elliott, who has the front room, an old woman that does for me and my little girl, who is fourteen years of age—I know Frazer—he was in my house that night—I was in the room with him and the other parties—they had some beer to drink—Mr. Evans was told of that—I saw Frazer go away—I think that must have been half-past ten o'clock, or a quarter to eleven—I brought a policeman in when the quarrel took place—Moss and the young woman quarrelled, and broke a chair of mine, and there was a brass candlestick thrown—I did not see anything that the prisoner had—I said I would not have the row in my house—they fought terribly—Frazer left the room and said, "Come along with me, old chap, come along out with me, for you are an old pal of mine; don't quarrel any more with her."
COURT. Q. Was the fight after Frazer left? A. Yes—they kept it up till half-past two o'clock—Mrs. Elliott is here—she was in the room, and I said, "If you don't fetch a policeman, I will; I am not going to
I have my room broken up like this"—I did not see any money in the prisoner's possession—the fight was while Frazer was there—the quarrel was about this young woman and some person that the prisoner was jealous of—I she had come home from the Old Rose, and her gown was all blood—she said he had given her a blow—after Frazer left they fought till half-past two in the morning.
MR. DOANE. Q. Have you a good many girls in your house? A. No—there were three women in my house that night—it is not a brothel, nor a place where men and women cohabit—the prisoner comes to see one of the girls who has been confined in my house—I do not know what he comes to see her for—there was another man there that night, named Humphries—he came to see me—it was about a sailor bringing a girl home that there was this quarrel—the girl's mother keeps a b—house—there was some beer had after the prisoner came home—I think he paid for it—I did not see any money with him, more than I have seen before.
----ELLIOTT. I am a widow—my husband was a butcher—I have lived at Mrs. M'Callow's six weeks—I recollect the 2nd of September—I saw the prisoner there that evening in the back parlour, and a person who lived with Moss—to the best of my belief they are husband and wife—I never knew any other—I saw Frazer there—I cannot tell what time it was—I was not there when Frazer went away—I was not there above a quarter of an hour—hearing the screams, I went in, and two men, who were lodging with the woman's mother, had come home with that woman—I lodge in the house, and a person who has the front room, also Moss and the young woman—it is not a house called a brothel—I am out at my work all day—I never saw any fighting before that time.
GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transported for Ten Years.
1882. WILLIAM BOWES was indicted for unlawfully obtaining by false pretence from John Jowett, 1 copper, value 4s.; 1 copper bowl, 1s. 6d.; and 1/2lb. weight of brass pipe, 6d.; with intent to defraud Edmund Pontifex and others. 2nd COUNT, with intent to defraud Thomas Hillear.
ELIZABETH HILLEAR . I am the wife of Thomas Hillear, a carpenter—we live in Water-street, Blackfriars—I know the prisoner—on the 25th of August I employed him to take to Mr. Pontifex's, in Shoe-lane, a washing copper, a copper-bowl, and a piece of pipe—I paid him 6d. for it—I walked there with him, and saw Mr. Jowett there—I left the articles to be exchanged for a new copper, and I was to pay the difference—Mr. Jowett took the copper, and wrote my name and address upon it—he said the new copper would be 6s. or 7s., and he could let me have it in a week—it was on Tuesday I left it, and on that day week the prisoner called and said, "I beg your pardon, your copper is not done."—I said, "How do you know?"—he said "I have been there"—on the Saturday afterwards I went to Mr. Pontifex, and learned that my copper was gone.
Prisoner. I asked if the new copper was done, and I own I took the copper away.
JOHN JOWETT . I am warehouseman to Edmund Pontifex and others, his partners. They are coppersmiths in Shoe-lane—a man came there with a message—he said Mrs. Hillear desired him to call, to know if the copper ordered was ready, and if it was not done, he was to take the old copper away, and get one somewhere else—he described the three articles, and describing all the circumstances as he did, I, on that representation, gave him the old
copper, the bowl, and the pipe—I presumed it was right—I do not know whether the prisoner is the man I had the conversation with, and who came before and brought the copper—I went before the Magistrate—he particularly inquired whether I could identify the man, and I could not—I imagined it was a man five feet ten inches high.
WILLIAM PRICE (City police-constable, No. 241.) I went to the West London Union, and apprehended the prisoner there—I taxed him with taking the copper from Pontifex's—he said he had been out of the work-house on the Tuesday, and he thought he would go and see if the lady's new copper was done, that it was not done, and he took the old things back, but on the road he lost them.
Prisoner. I did not say such a thing; I went to Mr. Pontifex's, to see if it was done, and it was not, and he said, "Take the old copper away;" I went to the lady, and she told me to fetch the old copper away; I went back, and went down Bride-lane, and lost it.
GUILTY . Aged 51.— Confined Three Months.
GUILTY .— Confined Five Days, and to enter into his own recognizances for two years.
THIRD COURT.—Friday, September 19th, 1845.
Third Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
1884. JAMES GADD was indicted for stealing, on the 28th of July, at St. Mary Stratford, Bow. 1 watch, value 10s.; 2 breast-pins, 1l.;4 sovereigns; and 7 £5 notes; the goods and monies of William Charles Spring, in the dwelling-house of James Hulme.
MR. WILDE conducted the Prosecution.
JAMES HULME . I am landlord of the Clay Hall public-house, at Old Ford. It is my dwelling-house, and is in the parish of St. Mary, Stratford, Bow—the prisoner used to be pccasionally at my house—Mr. Spring has a bed-room at my house—on Monday the 28th of July, about eleven or twelve o'clock at night, I went outside the house to fasten the garden gate, and saw a glimmering light in Mr. Spring's room—I knew there had no business to be a light there at that time, and felt alarmed—I went in-doors and alarmed my sister and Mr. Spring—they went up stairs—I went to the foot of the stairs, and there stopped—I saw the prisoner coming down the stairs—I asked him what he was doing there, or what he was about—he said he wanted to go to the water-closet—I said, "Have you not been into Mr. Spring's room?—he said, "Yes, Mr. Spring sent me—with that I allowed him to pass, supposing all to be right, on his way to the water-closet at the back of the house—I saw him no more till he was apprehended—he could not get from the back of the premises without getting over a wall or a high railing—I afterwards went into Mr. Spring's room with Mr. Spring and my sister—I discovered a strong smell of burning, and a good deal of smoke in the room—I then looked about the room, and perceived different parts of the ashes of paper
recently burnt—Mr. Spring went to a desk in the room—he made no remark, but directly went out of the house, finding, I apprehend, that he was robbed.
Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What time of the night might this have been? A. Something about twelve o'clock—I had been in and out of the skittle-ground occasionally—there were four or five parties playing there—they came into the parlour for refreshment—I had one, or it may be two lodgers at that time—they were in the house at the time—the house had not been cleared of all the parties—there was no one upstairs—we have no public-room upstairs—there was only one party below, consisting of five persons—Mr. Spring's room looks over the garden, towards the skittle-ground at the back of the house—it is on the first floor—there is no second floor—there is a room adjoining his—a light in that room would not show through Mr. Spring's window—there is a wall between the two rooms—they do not open into each other, but into a passage—the doors are not opposite each other—it must have been a very large light, to show from the passage through Mr. Spring's window—the prisoner had lodged at my house perhaps a month or six weeks—he used to come there occasionally, perhaps twice in the week—there would have been nothing unusual in his sleeping there that night—Mr. Spring and my sister had got up into the room a few minutes before me—they got up the stairs before the prisoner came down—the prisoner had to pass the door of Mr. Spring's room to get to his own room—the water-closet is in the garden, out at the back door—if he had been up to his room, and had occasion to go to the water-closet, he would be coming down as he was—I do not, of my own knowledge, know that he had been in Mr. Spring's room in the morning.
MR. WILDE. Q. Could you tell from the smoke and appearance of the paper whether the burning had been recent? A. It had every appearance of the kind.
WILLIAM CHARLES SPRING . I am a builder, lodging with Mr. Hulme. On Saturday, the 26th of July, I had a sum of money for the purpose of paying my men—on the Monday, at eleven o'clock in the morning, I put some of the notes into my writing-desk—there were eight 5l. Bank of England notes, seven in one place, and one was folded in an envelope, and put under some papers, for the purpose of paying a bill—I afterwards went to Sydenham—I returned about eleven on the Monday night—I then went to my desk, and placed four sovereigns on the seven notes—they were then safe, exactly as I had left them in the morning—I locked my desk, and came down stairs—I had also a pair of gold shirt-pins, in a piece of paper, there—I did not see them in the evening—I did not look for them—there was another desk in the room, containing a silver hunting-watch—the key was in that desk—I saw that safe about eight o'clock on the Monday morning, not afterwards—I did not see the prisoner that night—I had seen him in the morning about half-past eleven—he then said he was going to work at Mr. Adams's factory, at Fairfield, in the afternoon, and asked if I would lend him 1s., and he would pay me at the end of the week—he said he owed Mr. Hulme a few shillings, and he had no doubt he would allow him to keep on to the end of the week—in consequence of something I heard from Gardener, I thought it necessary to lock my room door in the early part of Monday—I saw nothing more of the prisoner till he was apprehended—I did not send him to my room that night, nor at any part of the day.
Cross-examined. Q. Was it in your bed-room that you gave him the 1s. that morning? A. Yes—I have employed him to drive a horse and cart for me—there are five or six rooms on the same floor with mine—two other lodgers were living there at the time—a bricklayer was one—he is still living in the neighbourhood—the adjoining room to mine was a general bed-room, containing four beds—no one lodged there—I went into my own room first when I went up stairs with Miss Hulme—I saw no one in the adjoining room—Miss Hulme had a light—I did not go into any of the other rooms then—the burnt papers were parts of penny pamphlets—I have not seen any of the property since—it was about half-past twelve o'clock when my attention was called to my desk—I had not seen it since eleven—I went out at eleven, and returned about half-past—I found four or five persons in the skittle-ground then—there was no one in the par-lour—my bed-room window is about ten or eleven feet from the ground—I did not leave my door locked at eleven—I left the key in it—I cannot say whether I left it open or not.
JURY. Q. Is there any lean-to at the back of the house, by which any one could get in from the skittle-ground? A. Not very probable—the desk was broken—the lock had been prised out of its situation with nails—I went into the adjoining room, and saw no one there—I did not search—the prisoner has occasionally worked for his father, who is a blacksmith.
MR. WILDE. Q. Had you at any time opened your desk before him? A. Never that I am aware of, nor taken money from it in his presence.
MR. HULME re-examined. I did not go into the adjoining room—the bricklayer remained at my house a fortnight afterwards.
FREDERICK ROXBURG GARDENER . I am an apprentice, lodging at Mr. Hulme's. On Monday morning, the 28th of July, about nine o'clock or half-past, I saw the prisoner run out of Mr. Spring's bed-room—I asked what he wanted there—he said he wanted a bit of string to do up his boot—I told Mr. Spring.
Cross-examined. Q. There are a number of rooms opening into this passage, are there not? A. No—there is one at the end—there is a room near Mr. Spring's, with four beds in it—I saw the prisoner run out from inside Mr. Spring's doorway—I was coming up stairs at the time—he was entirely in the room—the door was wide open, and, as I saw him, so he ran out—I was about the middle of the stairs—I saw him plainly, and will swear he was inside the jamb of the door—I did not see any string in his hand.
WILLIAM BECKLEY (police-constable D 158.) In consequence of information, I took the prisoner into custody on the 12th or 13th of Aug., in John-street, Edgware-road—I told him what I took him for—I held out no inducement for him to tell me anything—next morning, going to the Police-court, he asked me what I thought would come of it—I said it was impossible for me to say, it was a very serious thing—he said Mr. Spring had accused him wrong, he had only taken five 5l. notes and two sovereigns, and not seven 5l. notes and four sovereigns; he only had 27l. in the whole.
Cross-examined. Q. Does his mother live in the neighbourhood? A. She does, not far from where I took him—when I took him I told him I wanted him for robbing a person of some 5l. notes and gold at Bow—I did not then recollect the prosecutor's name—he said I must be mistaken—I
was a police-constable, and she was charged with selling some paper told him I was not, and took him to the station—that was about half-past ten o'clock at night—it was between nine and ten next morning that I took him to the office—I had no conversation with him in the mean time—he commenced the conversation, and I did not say a word to him—I had known the prosecutor's name previously, and I went and fetched him directly I took the prisoner into custody—this confession was after he had been charged—I had had no communication with the prosecutor besides fetching him—his words were, "I only took five 5l. notes and two sovereigns," and not seven 5l. notes and four sovereigns—information of the robbery had been lodged at our station a fortnight previously—I apprehended the prisoner from the description then given.
JURY. Q. Had you any difficulty in finding him? A. Yes—I had missed him from the neighbourhood for about two months—I found on him a watch and other property, and a letter from a cousin at Bath, which led me to go to Bath—the prisoner has an uncle there, in very good circumstances.
GUILTY .† Aged 17.— Transported for Ten Years.
1885. WILLIAM GOOCH, alias Jones , was indicted for stealing, on the 30th of August, 2 pairs of shoes, value 18s., the goods of Richard Swift; and that he had been before convicted of felony; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 38.— Confined Two Years.
(The prisoner received a good character for the last few months.)
1886. JOHN DOBSON was indicted for feloniously assaulting Ann M'Kenzie, on the 2nd of Sept, putting her in fear, and taking from her person, and against her will, 1 purse, value 6d.; 12 shillings, 5 sixpences, and 4 pence; the property of James M'Kenzie; and beating, striking, and using other personal violence to her; and that he had been before convicted of felony.
ANN M'KENZIE . I am the wife of James M'Kenzie, and live at No. 39, Cable-street, St. George's. On the 2nd of Sept I went and staid out with a friend—she wished me to stop all night—I did not wish to do so, and her servant saw me home—I asked if he would take a glass of something, and we went into a public-house in Cable-street, which leads out of Rosemary-lane—there were two or three men there—I took my purse out to pay for what he had—I kept my purse in my hand; and whilst I was wishing the servant good night, the prisoner knocked me down, and got the purse out of my hand—I am quite sure, without looking at him, that he is the person that knocked me down—I am very sorry to see him in such a place—I had never seen him before—he was in the public-house, and saw my money in my purse—I cannot tell to a shilling what was in it—there were several shillings in it—I had just that moment bid the servant good bye, and I said, "Oh, Sam, this person has got my purse;" and he ran after him directly—he hit me in the chest—I do not say that he hurt me—he merely knocked me down—he seized my purse—I got up, and shouted, "Stop thief"—Sam got hold of him—he flung the purse down—I did not see him do so—I know Sam picked it up—it was my purse.
Prisoner. She said at the office she saw me throw the purse out of my hand. Witness, I did not see him fling it down—all I know is that he snatched it out of my hand, and ran, and the servant caught him.
Prisoner. She states she lives at No. 29, Cable-street; my father went to inquire, and it is no such thing; she was lodging there about three months ago, and she rang the bell this night to lodge there. Witness, I was stopping at Mr. M'Carthy's; but since this case, I have been ashamed of myself, and have been away for a fortnight—my husband is a morocco-leather manufacturer—I do not live with him now—he is not in London—he has been away about six months, travelling.
Prisoner. She said her husband kept a coffee-shop; she is not what she states; my father cannot find any husband; I was taken up once about two years ago, and ever since then I have been hard at work. Witness, My husband never kept a coffee-shop.
DANIEL SIMONS . I am called Sam—I am servant to Mrs. James. I was going home with Mrs. M'Kenzie on the evening in question—she asked me to take a little something to drink, and we went into a public-house—we came out; and as I was wishing her good night, two young men came along, the prisoner is one, and a young woman—I was crossing the way—I turned round, and saw the prisoner put his hand on the prosecu-trix's breast, and push her down, grab the purse out of her hand, and run away—she sung out to me that he had the purse—I ran after him, and ran past him—he dodged me round the posts—he then went right through the posts, and I saw him throw the purse down—I picked it up, and afterwards gave it to the policeman—the prosecutrix said it was hers—I am quite sure the prisoner is the man.
Prisoner. This man did not come after me; he was quarrelling with the prosecutrix; there was a row between them; she had been struck by a coal-heaver, and pushed in the mud, and I brushed the dirt off her black silk gown; this man came out of one of the prostitute's houses in Dock-street. Witness, What he says is not true—I have got my address in my I pocket where I live.
PATRICK MADDEN (policeman,) About two o'clock, this morning, I heard a cry of "Stop thief"—I hastened towards the cry, and met the prisoner, running—I stopped him—he said there was a black man going to ill-use him—Sam came up shortly afterwards, and said the purse was taken from a good lady—he gave it to me—the prosecutrix said it was hers, and I charged the prisoner with having knocked her down and robbed her—he said he did not.
Prisoner's Defence. The black man struck me, and I ran away from I him; I told the policeman what was the matter, and I immediately stopped with him; when I met with this woman she was along with a tall coal-heaver, who knocked her down; the black man came up as I was wiping the dirt from her silk dress; she said, "Hallo, Sam;" she was I drunk; the policeman sent her away from the corner of Dock-street; she was running along, and she said, "I will run you for 6d.;"she ran on, and he after her, racing; they then had a few words, I went up and interfered, and they hallooed "Stop thief" after me.
ROBERT THORP (police-constable) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction—(read—Convicted 8th April, 1844, of larceny, and confined three months)—he is the man who was tried and convicted on that occasion, I am quite sure.
GUILTY . Aged 18.— Transported for Fifteen Years.
1887. WILLIAM PERRY . was indicted for stealing, on the 11th of Sept., 1 gelding, value 3l.; 1 cart, 15s.; 1 set of harness, 5s.; 2 bushels of potatoes, 5s.; 1 bushel of damsons, 10s.; 1 sieve of plums, 5s., and 2 bushels of apples, 5s.; the goods of Henry Simmons.
HENRY SIMMONS . On Thursday morning, the 11th of Sept., I left my horse and cart in the care of John Evans, at the top of James-street, Longacre—it contained damsons, apples, and potatoes—I went into the market—I was away about eight or ten minutes—when I came back the horse and cart were gone, and all its contents—the horse was worth 3l.—I found it at Bow-street, and the cart also—I lost all my things—I do not know the prisoner.
JOHN EVANS . I had the horse and cart to take care of, and a dozen others besides—I saw the prisoner about there for an hour and a half—he then came up to me, said he was ready to go with the cart, and asked for the whip—I gave it him—he gave me 1d. for minding the cart.
Prisoner. Q. Did you see me take the cart away? A. No, I was called away to take some more whips.
GEORGE SEARLE . I heard that the cart was gone, and went after it to Bayswater—I there found the Prisoner, with the horse, cart, and fruit—he was coming back again, towards Oxford-street—I accused him of the robbery, and said, "I have got you"—he cried, and said he knew nothing at all about it—I charged him with stealing the cart—he said a man gave him the job to do, and offered him some halfpence to do it—there were a few apples and damsons in the cart—I asked him if he had any money, he said 7d.—I drove to the station-house with him.
Prisoner. There was another man with him, who said he saw a man get out of the cart.
THOMAS SHACKLEFORD . I was with Searle—I saw a man behind the cart, I cannot swear that I saw him get oat of the cart, there were so many vehicles before us—the prisoner was driving—I asked him if he knew the cart belonged to Mr. Simmons—he said yes, he did.
JOHN FREWIN . (policeman.) I took the prisoner into custody—he said a man gave him 1d. to get the whip, which he did, and went with him—I asked him if he knew the man—he said, no, he knew nothing about him, he should know him if he saw him.
Prisoner's Defence. A man came up to me, and asked if I knew who had got the gentleman's whip; I told him, and he gave me 1d. to fetch it. I fetched it; he asked me if I had got anything to do; I said no; he said he would give me something to go with him; we went down the Bayswater-road, and sold the things; coming back he saw the two men coming, and jumped down and ran away—he told me to stop at Hyde-park for him.
GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Two Years.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner for a similar offence.)
1888. SAMUEL SWAIN and WILLIAM COLLINS were indicted for stealing, on the 27th of Aug., 2 table-cloths, value 5s.; 2 towels, 6d.; 2 pairs of salts, 5s.; 2 wine-glasses, 1s.; 2 mugs, 1s.; 2 other table-cloths, 5s.; 6 towels, 5s.; and 6 yards of ribbon, 5s.; the goods of Mary Miller, the mistress of Swain; and that Collins had been before convicted of felony; to which
SWAIN pleaded GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.
MARY MILLER . I am single. Swain was in my service—I have known him for the last eighteen months—I have seen Collins about the door—I saw the articles stated, safe on Monday—I did not miss them till the policeman brought them to me—these produced are mine.
WILLIAM MILLERMAN . (policeman.) About five o'clock in the evening of the 2nd of Aug. I met the prisoners together in Rochester-row, a quarter of a mile from Mrs. Miller's—Collins ran away as soon as he saw me—Swain had a table-cloth and some towels under his arm, and Collins had the salts in his pocket—I gave Swain to a man to hold, and overtook Collins—he said Swain gave him the salts—I asked what he ran away for, if he was not guilty—he said he knew I should lock him up—I knew him before—I had never seen Swain.
Collins's Defence. I live nearly opposite Mrs. Miller's; Swain asked me if I would come with him to Westminster on an errand; I said, yes; I waited for him in the Broadway; he had these things; I asked where he got them; he said he did not know; he gave me the salts to hold while he stopped; we were going home again to Mrs. Miller's.
COLLINS GUILTY . Aged 17.— Transported for Seven Years.
1889. REBECCA COATES was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of July, 8 1/4 yards of flannel, value 1l. 10s.; 2 table-cloths, 1s.; and 4 shoes, 4d.; the goods of Richard Baylis, her master; and that she had been before convicted of felony; to which she pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 30.— Confined One Year.
1890. THOMAS BAREFOOT was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of Sept., 9 pieces of stained paper, value 1l. 14s.; 6lbs. weight of gum, 3s.; and 2lbs. weight of chrome yellow, 1s.; the goods of James Toleman: and MARY BAREFOOT for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to be stolen; to which
THOMAS BAREFOOT pleaded GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined One Month.
JAMES TOLEMAN I am a paper-stainer, and live in Goswell-street. THOMAS BAREFOOT was in my service—I have lost nine pieces of paper, and some chrome yellow—the paper produced is mine—it is worth 1l. 14s.—my young man saw it exhibited for sale at Mrs. Stalker's, and got it.
MARY ANN STALKER . I keep a little shop, and buy things occasionally—I have known Mary Barefoot about two years—she has bought and sold little things at my shop—on one occasion she brought these six pieces of paper—I asked how she came by it—she said it belonged to an uncle of hers, who allowed her twopence in the shilling—I gave her eighteen pence and fourteen pence apiece for them—I put it out on the stand for two days, and the officer came.
which had been stolen from a place in Playhouse-yard—she at first denied it, but afterwards said she might as well tell me the truth; that her son worked at Mr. Toleman's; that he brought it home, and said it was wastepaper; and she, being in distress, had certainly sold it.
Mary Barefoot's Defence. I did sell the paper; but I did not say it came from my uncle's; she told me a day or two afterwards, if I had any more she would buy it; I did not know it was stolen; my boy told me he had brought it home, as it was lying about the place.
MARY BAREFOOT GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Six Months.
ELIZA CAIGER . I am the wife of Edward Caiger, and am a washer-woman. I employed the prisoner—on the 12th of Aug. I left home between two and three o'clock—I came back about half-past four, and found the prisoner was gone—she did not return—I missed my shawl and flannel petticoat—I have not found my shawl—this is my petticoat—it is marked.
DAVID ANDERSON . I am a pawnbroker. On the 12th of Aug. this petticoat was pledged by a woman for 18d., in the name of Ann Simpson—I cannot charge my memory that it was the prisoner—I recollect her features—I believe it was her, but could not swear it—it is so long ago.
Prisoner. I throw myself on your mercy.
GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Two Months.
GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Six Months.
(There was another indictment against the Prisoner.)
DANIEL PARKER . I am a carpenter, and lodge at a public-house in Ropemakers-fields. On the 18th of Sept, I had two planes in some buildings in Abbott's-fields—I missed them within half an hour—I went to a pawnbroker's, in Stepney, to inquire for them, about ten o'clock in the morning, and found the prisoner there with the planes in his possession—he had one in his hand with my name on it—I did not know him before—I had spoken to Jarvis the policeman.
Prisoner's Defence. I did not steal them; I found them.
GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.
1894. THOMAS WIMBUSH was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of April, at St. Paul, Covent-garden, 1 watch, value 10l.; 1 snuff-box, 5l.; 1 casket, 90l.; 4 doubloons, 12l.; and 1 watch-chain, 3l.; the goods of Robert Debenham and another, in their dwelling-house.
MESSERS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.
JOHN WALKER , I am a watchmaker, and live at 40, Princes-street, Leicester-square. The watch now produced was made by me, about three or four years ago I think—it has my name on it, and "Princes-street, Leicester-square," was also engraved on it at that time—that has been removed since it went from me—it is a gold watch with a duplex escapement, jewelled in four holes, with a compensation-balance, and seconds—a very superior kind of watch—I charged 30l. for it—I made it for Mr. George Bullock—from circumstances that have since arisen, I remember the sale of some valuable property in April, 1844, advertised to take place at Messrs. Debenham and Store's—shortly before that sale, a person named Richardson called on me—he is a customer of mine—he called with a piece of paper, with the number of this watch on it, and made some inquiry about the watch—I gave him my opinion upon it—I saw him again I think about the Friday after the sale—I go to wind his clocks every week, and when I saw him there, he told me the watch had been stolen from Debenham and Store's—I then lost sight of the transaction until Aug. last, when the watch was brought to me by the witness Cloughly—something took place between us, which led to our going to Debenham and Store's.
Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Are there any other watchmakers of your name in London? A. I think there are two or three—the address "Princes-street, Leicester-square," has been erased—I observe that, from the appearance—I have referred to my bill of engraving, but I could tell without that—the name was on one side the cock, and the address on the other—Walker, watchmaker, London," would find me without any difficulty, but we generally put the address on—the engraving of the address is not quite so deep or strong as the name-there is very little difference—I get a considerable profit on such a watch, exclusive of the material.
MR. BODKIN. Q. What do you consider the present worth of it, to sell again? A. About 18l. or 20l.—the No. is 375.
GEORGE GROSVENOR BULLOCK . I am an artist, and reside at No. 8 Bruton-street, Berkeley-square. Mr. Walker made this watch for me—I had occasion to pledge it on the 14th of July, 1842, at Fleming's, in St. Martin's-lane—this is the ticket I received for it—I did not pay the interest at the end of the year, and the watch was lost to me—Mrs. Bollock took it to pledge.
WILLIAM BOORE . I am assistant to Miss Fleming, of St. Martin's-lane. I remember this watch, or such a watch being pledged at our house—I cannot say whether I took it in myself—I think I was present when it was taken in, but it is more than three years ago, and I cannot remember—I believe I took it in—I took a description of it in our book which I have here—it tallies in every respect with this watch, except the absence of the address of Mr. Walker—I have no doubt the address was on it then, as I took it down—the entry corresponds with the description given of the watch in Debenham and Store's catalogue—the watch was
sent among other forfeited property to Debenhara and Storr's to be sold, in April, 1844.
HENREY RICHARDSON I am a picture-dealer. I went to look at the articles that were to be sold at Debenham and Storr's, in April, 1844—I have no recollection of the circumstance—I recollect speaking to Mr. Walker about a watch that was at Debenham and Storr's rooms—I believe I took the number of it to Mr. Walker—I should not know the watch again—I remember looking at a watch at Debenham and Storr's—I only took the number of it to Mr. Walker—I went to him, to know if he made it—I had obtained his name from the watch—I asked his opinion about it, and he gave it me—Mr. Walker is in the habit of coming to wind up my clocks—I afterwards informed him of the loss of the watch.
JAMES CLOUGHLY . I served my time as a tailor, but am at present clerk to Messrs. Pearce, army clothiers, of Long Acre. I have been acquainted with the prisoner more than twenty years—I bought this watch of him—I cannot speak positively as to the time—I had had a watch of him before, with which I was not quite satisfied, and applied to him to give me another in exchange—this memorandum is the settlement we came to on the matter—(read—"Mr. Cloughly, to Thomas Wimbush, May 1844, to a duplex gold watch, 13 guineas"—this is that watch—this is in the prisoner's handwriting—whether it was in May, 1844, that I bought the watch, I cannot swear—I had asked him two or three times to have a settlement of the affair, and he said, "I am not exactly positive as to the time, can you tell me?"—I said I did not think I could—he said, perhaps he might remember, and it was put at the nearest time we could both recollect—he afterwards had the watch from me for a fortnight or three weeks, to have a new spring put to it—I was afterwards passing down Princes-street, and saw the name of Walker over the door, and I thought I would see if he was the maker, and if it wanted any little alteration he would do it—there was no address on the watch at that time, nor when I bought it—the name occurred to me quite perchance in passing—Mr. Walker made a communication to me on the subject, which led us both to Debenham and Storr's
Cross-examined. Q. Do I understand you to say that memorandum was written by the prisoner? A. I should say it was—I saw him write his name at the bottom—the whole of it was written by him, but not all at the same time—the account was written first, and the receipt afterwards—the account was not written in my presence—it was brought to me written—when I asked for the account, he did not appear to know the time at which the watch was sold to me, and I did not know the time exactly—I think it was as late as June or July—he did not tell me it must have been earlier than that, but he would remember and put it down—I did not tell him I thought it was in June or July—I stated that subsequently, when I was examined by Mr. Clarkson.
Q. Before the prisoner put down the month, had not you fixed on a later date? A. I do not think I had, but I will not positively swear it—we had talked over the matter as to when I purchased the watch, before this account was given to me—we were in some doubt, one of us thinking it was at one time and one at another—I considered the matter as seriously as I could, and I remembered that I left town on the 3rd of Aug. last year, for a holiday, and I think I had the watch about five or six weeks previous to that.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Was this conversation with the prisoner before he brought you the account? A. Yes—I asked him to let me have the ac-count—he was doubtful as to the time, and asked my opinion, and we spoke of it together—I said I did not exactly know, and he was to consider about it—I do not know how soon it was after that that he gave me the account—I was in the habit of seeing him every day—it was shortly after—when he did bring it, the date "May" was in it.
PETER SPILLER . I am foreman to Messrs. Debenham and Storr—I remember three days' sale at our rooms, on the 16th, 17th, and 18th of April, 1844—there was property of Miss Fleming's there—among the articles to be sold on Wednesday, the 17th, was a gold watch, numbered in the catalogue, 580, and on the Thursday a golden casket containing about 31 oz. of gold, worth about 90l., to melt—there were also some doubloons and a watch-chain—the sale went on all right on the Tuesday—about half-past twelve o'clock on the Wednesday, and before we had come to lot 580, I came down into the room and found the casket was missing—it was placed at the upper end of the room, the furthest from the entrance, on an extra counter formed across that end of the room—it was quite away from the counter where the glass-case was which contained the gold watch—the side-counter on the left hand as you enter is approached by a hatchway, which lifts up—the dealers, and persons that are known and considered respectable, are permitted to come inside the hatch, and go round inside the counter, and look into the glass-cases—the prisoner was at the sale on the Wednesday—I had seen him there before twelve o'clock—he was there all the morning—he has been in the habit of attending our sales as a dealer—the proper place for the watch was in a glass-case on the counter, within about three yards of the hatch—the prisoner went within the hatch, and I saw him at that glass-case examining the things—I think that was about half-past eleven—I know the watch was safe in that case between nine and ten o'clock in the morning—I had possession of it up to that time, and I then put it into the case—upon missing the casket I immediately called out to the auctioneer, and went and shut the doors of the room—on returning into the room I came behind the counter to see what else was missing, and on looking found that the watch was missing, and other things, amounting in the whole to somewhere about 300l.—it was made public immediately—some of the persons in the room offered to be searched—the prisoner was one—if the property had been simultaneously taken it must have been taken by more than one person—I do not remember that we had any other watch of that modern make in the sale—it is an article that would excite the attention of dealers—it is a very superior watch, one that we do not often have, at least not bo often as other watches—we have one now and then—there were many dealers there besides the prisoner.
Cross-examined. Q. About how many do you suppose? A. There might have been at one time in the morning as many as forty—when we have a popular sale the room is crowded—I had known the prisoner for some time, as a person frequenting sales of that description and making purchases—there are a great number of persons who gain their livelihood in that manner—articles of this sort are passed from hand to hand very much, with a small increased profit—that is the system of dealing—he came as usual after this robbery, and as frequently as before, making purchases, and conducting himself in every respect as he had done previously—I cannot call to mind any person who has been absent since
that period. I have not made the remark that so and so has not made his appearance since the robbery—I cannot call to mind that I have noticed that with respect to anybody, nor that it has been noticed to me.
Q. Since that period has not the prisoner communicated to you a fact against one of the other dealers in another matter, about a diamond pin? A. Not with respect to a dealer—he spoke to me of a young man in our employment having a diamond pin in his possession, which I afterwards inquired into, and found he had come properly by it.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. When was it he mentioned that? A. About four months ago—above a twelve month after the robbery—he mentioned it to me as a matter of suspicion.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How many lots were stolen altogether? A. Twenty-one.
WILLIAM JOHN STURT . I am a clerk in the employment of Messrs. Debenham and Storr—I remember the loss of this property—on the following day, about ten minutes or a quarter to one o'clock, I was in the office, and received directions from my employers to go to the bullion-dealers, to make a communication to them—the prisoner was in the office at that time—as I went out he followed me, and overtook me in Bedford-street, about 150 yards from my master's premises—he said, "Where are you going to?"—I said, "Into the City"—he said—"Have you dined?"—I said "No"—he said, "Then we may as well have dinner together; and after that, if you like, I will go into the City with you"—I said, "No" at the time, but we walked on, and he said, "If you will allow me to go into the City I can point out the places you should go to, although it will be of no use your going, as the purchasers never take down the names of the parties they buy of"—we went into an eating-house in Maiden-lane, and there dined—I had never been on such familiar terms as to dine with him before—as we were at dinner he said, "I believe the firm have employed Inspector Pearce"—I said, "They have"—at which he became very much agitated—I noticed his appearance; and in consequence of suspicion which that excited in my mind, I left the eating-house, walked to the top of Maiden-lane and Bedford-street, left him, and went round by another way to my employers'—I there disclosed what had passed—in consequence of directions I received, I was again about proceeding to the bullion-dealers—when I got to my masters' door I again found the prisoner—he asked what I had been in for? I made an excuse, and said for something I had forgotten—I then proceeded on my way, and he with me as far as Holborn—he said his wife was going off from the Bell and Crown by the coach, that afternoon, and if I went as far as there he would go into the City with me—but he only went as far as there, and then I left him, and went on about my business—I do not remember the name of the house I dined at in Maiden-lane—I was always in the habit of dining there at that time—but I never dined there when the prisoner has been dining there—I had only been in his company once before, in New-street, Covent-garden—he came in while I was dining there, that is the only time I remember.
Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to swear that was the only time? A. That was the only time to my recollection—I will swear I have not dined with him a dozen times, nor half a dozen, to my knowledge—I will swear I have not, nor in his company—I have not been in the habit of associating with him, no more than with any one else that frequents the rooms—I have bought one or two small articles of him.
Q. Why, have you not, since he has been in Newgate, sent to pay him a balance that has been owing for about twelve months? A. I was indebted to him a sovereign, and I had a note sent to me to send it, which I did—I should not think it has been owing for a twelvemonth—on returning to the premises I made the communication to Mr. Debenham—I made it in consequence of some suspicion I had—I did not see that the prisoner saw his wife off by the coach—I left him at the Bell and Crown, and went to the bullion shops—I should think I went to six or eight—the money that I owed him was for an article which he bought for me—it was bought in his name—I cannot say by whom—I cannot say whether it was by myself—I think not—I think it was the other clerk—it was bought for me, and put down to the prisoner—it is not a thing that is generally done—my masters do not allow it—I did not buy it for myself, but for another party—I avoided putting down my name, for the purposes of concealment—the prisoner made no objection to it—I do not think he told me I had no right to use his name without his consent—he might have said so—I think it was 24s.—he paid it—I bought another article of him, not in the same way—it was something he had bought at another sale-room—I paid him part of the money—the sovereign I sent him to Newgate was my own—I swear that—I had it by me—I did not borrow it—I told our foreman that I was going to send it.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. What was the article that was bought in his name? A. A ring, which I bought for a friend—it came to 24s.—I think it was nine or twelve months back—the prisoner asked me for the money once or twice, but never pressed me for it—it is not allowed in the establishment that the clerks should buy for themselves, and I got somebody to bid for me in the prisoner's name—he cleared the lot for me, and took it in his bill.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You say you went with the prisoner to the Bell and Crown, in what part of Holborn was it? A. Nearly opposite Day and Martin's.
EDMUND COLLINGRIDGE . I am a refiner and gilder, and live in Clerkenwell—I buy gold—I purchased a bar of gold of the prisoner on the 20th of April, 1844—it was what is termed a skillet of gold, melted into two flat pieces of iron—I should say it might be done in the ordinary furnace of a working jeweller—it weighed 11 oz. 14dwts.—I paid him 34l. 4s. 3d. for it—I might have made purchases of him before of a very trifling character, and I have done a little gilding for him—his dealings were not large—I never made a purchase of him approaching to this in value—I never purchased any bar of melted gold of him before to my knowledge.
Cross-examined. Q. Do you keep a shop? A. Yes, No. 27, Wilderness-row—he came to me at the shop—I have shopmen in my back shop.—this was sold over the counter—I might have had a customer in the shop at the time—it was in the afternoon—it is an open shop, not a private house—he did not come in about some work that I was doing for him—I do not recollect a person named Moore being there, or any person known to the prisoner—he said he had got some gold, and he was going to take it to sell in Barbican—I cannot say whether a person standing there said, "Sell it to Collingridge, he will give you as good a price for it as you will get there"—nobody said so to my knowledge.
Q. Then how was it, if he was going to take it to Barbican that he sold it to you? A. He had a 50l. bill to take up, which I had discounted for a Mr. Moore—he did not know where it laid, and he came in to me about it—that
does not make me recollect that Moore was present—he did not leave it for assay—he brought the assay with him, and cut it off.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. What was this discounting affair? A. It was a bill I had discounted for Mr. Moore, due on that day—Moore is a jeweller, living in Burton-street—I have seen him here to-day—he is a dealer, in the habit of attending sales—I have never seen him at Debenham and Storr's—the prisoner took up the bill then and there, with the money I paid him for the gold, I suppose—I know the bill was paid—I do not know how—it was paid by the prisoner after I had given him the money for the gold—it was a bill between Moore and himself.
JURY. Q. Was the gold jewellers' gold or bullion? A. I cannot tell—I gave 58s. 6d. an ounce—it was 16 1/2 carats—I suppose the full value would be 60s. or 61s. an ounce.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was not this bill lying at the Bank of England? A. It was.
MR. CLARKSON. Q. I thought you said it was taken up then and there? A. It was lying at the Bank of England—that was why the prisoner called on me to inquire where the bill was—I paid him for the gold, and the bill was taken up.
COURT. Q. Was this such a description of gold as articles of manufacture would be made of? A. Yes, such as caskets and watch-cases.
WILLIAM POCOCK (police-constable F 81.) I took the prisoner into custody last Thursday fortnight, at his residence in Penton-place, Kennington-road—I went up to his room, which is at the top of the house, where he carries on his business—it is a small room, apparently used as a workshop—there was a blow-pipe and furnace there, and crucibles for melting ores—I showed him this watch, also a piece of writing-paper, with the name of "James Cloughly, No. 98, Long-acre," written on it, and asked if he had ever sold that person a gold watch—he said he had, or he believed he had—I told him it was stolen property, and he must come with me to Bow-street, to give some account of it—he said he had bought it at a sale-room—when we got to the station he said he bought it at Robins's, and sold it at a guinea profit.
WILLIAM BRUMFIT STORR . I am a partner in the house of Debenham and Storr, of King-street, Covent-garden. Mr. Debenham dwells in the house—it is the parish of St. Paul, Covent-garden—the watch in question belonged to Miss Fleming—the golden casket was in the Thursday's sale, and the other articles in the Wednesday's sale—this watch would attract the particular attention of dealers—of course an old gold watch would attract attention; but this particularly, because it is a very superior watch, and one that we very rarely have—we advertised our loss, and offered 200l. reward—I know the person of the prisoner—he was in the habit of dealing at our establishment, not very largely.
----ROBINS. I am clerk to Mr. Robins, of Covent-garden. The firm sells forfeited articles—I have searched accurately our sale-books, from the 2nd of April down to the 22nd of August, 1844; and I am unable to find any watch in any respect answering the description of this, sold at our rooms—I acted as clerk at all those sales, except one on the 12th of June—I have the catalogue of that sale here—it does not contain any watch at all corresponding with the one before me—I have not the least recollection of the prisoner's purchasing a watch at any of the other sales—there is no such watch as this in the catalogues.
Cross-examined. Q. Let me see some of your descriptions of watches in the catalogue? A. Here are several—here is "lot 68, a gold watch"—a watch of this description would have a more particular character given of it in the catalogue—we have several described merely as gold watches—I can find no watch described as this would be.
MR. BODKIN. Q. What price did that gold watch, "lot 68," sell for? A. 4l. 7s.—we have sold watches for 30l. and 40l.—those mentioned in these catalogues sold for 4l., 5l., 8l., 10l., and 12l.—the prices are marked against each lot.
MR. BALLANTINE. Q. About six weeks ago, did not the prisoner buy a watch of you for 10l.? A. Yes—I have not got the catalogue of that sale with me—I was only requested to bring those of last year.
(William Brown, plumber, Newington; Richard Sexton, grocer, Newington; David Gass, 166, Regent-street; and William Dean, gentleman, Newington; gave the prisoner a good character.)
GUILTY. Aged 39.—Strongly recommended to mercy on account of his previous good character. — Confined Two Years .
NEW COURT.—Saturday, Sept. 20th, 1845.
Sixth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.
1895. JOHN MARR was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Hill, about one in the night of the 9th of Sept., at St. George's, Bloomsbury, and stealing therein 6 keys, value 3s.; 1 ring, 1d.; 1 box of matches, 1/2d.; and 1 rushlight, 1/2d.; his property; and that he had been before convicted of felony.
WILLIAM HILL . I am a baker, and live in Everett-street, Brunswick-square. The prisoner had been once in my service—on the 9th of Sept, between one and two o'clock in the morning, I was called by the police-man, and found the prisoner concealed under the sofa in the back parlour—he was taken to the station—there were marks that he had got in by the fanlight over the shop-door—that had not been shut at night—we leave it open in warm nights for ventilation—there is always a man at work on the premises—we never leave it open when a man is not there—these six keys and this ring were found on the prisoner—they are mine.
Prisoner. Q. What marks were left of a person breaking in? A. There were marks of his hands as he got in at the window—he had opened a cupboard and taken a rushlight out—that and the matches were found afterwards.
MART ANN BAILEY . I am in the prosecutor's service. I know these keys are my master's—I left them on the cheffonier—the rushlights were in the cupboard, and the boxes, and one of them was removed in the morning.
Prisoner. Q. Where did you find them? A. In his trousers pocket.
Prisoner. He left me at the station, and was gone a long while, so that the sergeant wondered he staid so long; he came back, and said there was nothing moved on the premises: he then took my things off me; I never had the keys in my possession at all; all my things were called over, and
I answered to them; I never had the keys at all; the prosecutor went to his premises, and said there was money in his till, and nothing moved, and I yet he seems to blame me that I lighted the rush-light; the sergeant I searched my fob, and I had nothing on me; when the policeman found my pocket was torn, he said the keys were in my pocket; he said he found them in my left pocket. Witness. I believe they were in his left-hand pocket—I am almost positive of it.
WILLIAM POCOCK (police-constable F 81.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, on his own confession, by the name of John M'Ghee—(read—"Convicted 3rd March, 1845, and confined six months")—and there was another charge against him at that time—the prisoner is the man.
GUILTY of larceny only. — Transported for Fourteen Years .
MARY SHERWIN . I am the wife of George Sherwin, and live, at Uxbridge. On the 28th of Aug. I had 4s., which I had taken in the shop—I placed it in the cupboard in the kitchen, and left the door open—I went into the shop a second time, and the prisoner came to the door with a salmon—I told him to go to the side-door in the kitchen, and after placing it on a dish, I saw him drawing his hand from the cupboard, which he had to pass—I looked at his hands, and did not observe anything in them—I let him go, and then went and looked, and missed 3s. out of the 4s.—no one else had been there—I had only left the room to go into the shop, and no one could have gone into the room—I followed the prisoner down the street, and called him, but he did not hear—I got my husband to search for him—he found him, and had him searched—no money was found on him.
CHARLES DOWSON . I am thirteen years old. About twelve o'clock on that day, I was in the street at Uxbridge—I saw the prisoner slip 3s. down by the side of his trowsers—I was going to pick them up—Mr. Smith came and picked up two of them, and a boy picked up one.
Prisoner. I did not touch it; I am not guilty; I walked up to the police-man, and this man came and walked by where they say the shillings were dropped; if this boy saw me drop them, why did he not pick them up?
(The prisoner received a good character.)
GUILTY. Aged 14.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor. — Confined Two Days , and whipped.
Before Mr. Common Sergeant.
HANNAH DAY . I am housekeeper to Mr. Puzey. I was looking after Mr. Harvey George's property, at Stowe Hall, Essex—he had some fowls—I saw them safe on Sunday night, the 24th of Aug.—I did not see one of them on the Tuesday—the policeman brought it afterwards—I know it was Mr. George's hen.
Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Is not his name Robert Harvey George? A. I think it is.
THOMAS SMITH (police-constable N 93.) I produce the fowl—I was on duty at Low Leyton, on the 25th of Aug., at a quarter past six o'clock in the evening, near Mr. Tyler's farm—I received information that the prisoner had got a fowl in a bag—I went after him, and asked what he had got in the bag—he told me he had got a fowl, and he bought it of a man who was hawking it at Wanstead—I took him to the station—the sergeant sent me round to inquire, and I could find no one who had seen a man hawking a fowl—I dare say it was three or four miles from Mr. George's house where I saw the prisoner.
Cross-examined. Q. Have you not sworn it was Robert Harvey George? A. No—I did not know him till Wednesday; I then talked to him, and he told me his name was Harvey George.
NOT GUILTY .
GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Three Months.
Before Mr. Common Sergeant.
NOT GUILTY .
1900. MARY ANN WATSON and CATHERINE COLEMAN were indicted for stealing, on the 8th of Sept., 1 pair of boots, value 3s.; the goods of Theophila Newton; and that Coleman had been before convicted of felony.
THEOPHILA NEWTON . I am single, and am a milliner, living at No. 104, Powis-street, Woolwich. On the 8th of Sept. I had a pair of boots hanging on a horse inside my shop—I saw them safe at eight o'clock in the morning, and missed them at half-past four in the afternoon—these produced are them—the prisoners came to my shop together about three o'clock that afternoon—I had never seen them before.
GEORGE STEVENS . I am shopman to Mr. Davis, a pawnbroker, at Woolwich. On the 8th of Sept., about four o'clock, Watson brought these boots—no one was with her—she said at first they were her own, and then that they belonged to Mrs. Smith—I saw nothing of Coleman.
took Watson—Stevens said he did not think it was all right—Watson asked me to go with her, and said she brought them from Mrs. Smith, No. 3, Red Lion-street—I went with her—when we got a few yards she said, "It is no use going there, they are not hers; a person gave them to me; they were stolen from a shop in Powis-street; Catherine Coleman is the person that stole them, I saw her; if you will go into the Rope-yard you will find her"—I apprehended Coleman—I knew her before—she said, "Watson was the person that stole them, not me."
Watsons Defence. Coleman gave me the boots to pledge; I was to take them to Mr. Davis's, and get her 2s., and she would stand there till I came back; that is all I know of it; I was at the prosecutrix's shop, but not near where the boots were; I did not know they were stolen; I was frightened when the policeman took me, and did not know what to say; my father has a situation at Parkhurst prison, and my husband is gone to America.
Coleman's Defence—(written.)—"On 8th Sept. I met Watson. She asked me to go with her to purchase a pair of boots. I refused first, and told her I could not, I was rather in a hurry: and she requested me so, and told me she would not be long; however, I went with her. I was only acquainted with her about six weeks; when she went into the shop she never asked for the boots. I was rather surprised; she made an excuse, by looking at some second-hand dresses. I told her I could not go any further, if she did not mean purchasing the boots in that shop; it was the last of my thoughts to think she had got them in her possession at the time; when she got a short distance from the shop, she told me she had stolen them. I was glad to leave her company as soon as I could, so I wished her good afternoon. I had been at home about two hours, when, to my surprise, a policeman knocked at the door, and asked for me. I came down stairs; he said he wanted me, and asked me if I knew anything about the boots. I told him the truth. I went to the station-house, and asked Watson her meaning, for trying to get me into trouble; she said she did not think the policeman would take me, and she did not know what to say; therefore, to clear herself, she has got me into trouble; and I declare solemnly I am innocent; she told several different tales at the station-house."
Watson. I ask the prosecutrix whether I priced the dresses, or anything else?
MISS NEWTON re-examined. Watson did not ask the price of any dresses—Coleman was near the boots, but not Watson—I am sure of that.
JOHN GRIFFIN (policeman.) I produce a certificate of Coleman's former conviction—(read—Convicted 9th March, 1844, of larceny, and confined three months.)—she is the person—she is a prostitute—I had reason to believe her reformed since then.
COLEMAN— GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months.
WATSON— NOT GUILTY .
SARAH BIRD . I am the wife of Thomas Bird. On the 1st of Sept. I gave my little girl, Elizabeth Bird, two shillings and a halfpenny—she is between eight and nine years old—she came back without the money—she
brought the bundle, and told me something, and I went with Reading, and took the prisoner.
ELIZABETH BIRD . I was eight years old last birthday. I recollect my mother giving me two shillings—I was to go to Mr. Perry's and fetch a parcel—I went to Mr. Perry's—he gave me a parcel and a shilling—the prisoner handed it to me, wrapped it up in a piece of paper, and said, "Mind you don't lose it"—she followed me out of the shop, round the corner, and said, "Let me put the money in the bundle, and then you won't lose it;" and then I saw her hand go into her pocket—I am sure the prisoner is the woman, and I saw her hand go into her pocket—when I got home there was no shilling in the paper.
Prisoner. I put the shilling in the paper; I never saw it afterwards.
JOHN GEORGE TEMPLE . I am shopman to Mr. Perry. I recollect Elizabeth Bird coming to me—I returned her a shilling, and saw the prisoner take it off the counter, and appear to double it up in a piece of paper, and give it to the child in the shop.
JOSEPH READING . I recollect seeing Elizabeth Bird in the entry from Flagon-row to Hughes's-fields—I saw the prisoner coming down—I thought all was not right—I watched, and saw her stop the child, take the bundle, and put it down—she took something like a shilling from the bundle, and put it into her pocket—she then doubled up the bundle, gave it to the child, and got up, and ran away.
(The prisoner received a good character.)
GUILTY . Aged 52.— Confined Three Months.
JOHN LOWDER . I am shopman to John Dawson, a pawnbroker, at Greenwich. On the 25th of Aug. the prisoner came to the shop to pawn a tea-caddy, and was detained—I can swear this handkerchief was safe in the shop on the 9th of Aug., at eight o'clock in the morning, and I missed it at a quarter past ten—this table-cover I missed, but I cannot answer when it was stolen—I can swear that that and these table-cloths are the property of my master, John Dawson.
GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Four Months.
GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Three Months.
1904. ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY was indicted for, that she being in the dwelling-house of Joseph Dubbs, about the hour of five in the night of the 2nd of Sept., at Greenwich, feloniously did steal 1 bonnet, value 2s.; 1 shawl, 3s.; 1 pair of boots, 3s.; and 1 dress, 25s.; the goods of Eliza-beth Charlotte Dubbs; and did feloniously break out of the same dwelling-house; and that she had been before convicted of felony; to which she pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 16.— Transported for Ten Years.
Before Mr. Recorder.
GEORGE JOHN HURLEY . I am assistant to Mr. John Daniel Delaney, a pawnbroker, at Woolwich. During the week preceding the 5th of Sept., I was in the shop—I saw the prisoner come there several times—on Tuesday, the 2nd of Sept., she came to the shop as usual, to inquire about two cloaks which she said had been pawned there—I said we had searched the premises and the books, and we had not got them, and I did not believe she came for anything but to steal, as she had attempted to steal a gown on the Saturday previous—I left the prisoner in the shop, and went into the warehouse—when I came back she had just gone out—I went after her, and overtook her—I found on her this shawl, which is the property of my master—when the prisoner came it was lying on the saleboard in the shop, which is for the purpose of exposing the goods to view—the prisoner had been standing at the end of the board, having a child in her arms, she sometimes asked to be allowed to sit on the end of this board where the goods were kept—I took the shawl from her, and brought it back—I said, "You have stolen this shawl"—she said, "No, I have not"—she cried—I took the shawl, and did not intend to give her into custody—she was afterwards brought to the shop, and this other shawl and gown were found upon her—they are Mr. Delaney's property—they were in the shop when the prisoner came, and were missed directly she was gone.
Prisoner. I bought the shawl and the gown of this young man, and the other shawl was pinned to it. Witness. She did not buy them of me; she said before the Magistrate that she bought them of the other young man—she did not buy anything.
GEORGE SUTTON (police-constable R 49.) I went after the prisoner on the 2nd of Sept.—I found her in St. Mary's-street, Woolwich. I told her what she was charged with—she said she had got nothing but what she had bought—I took her to the shop, and between herself and the baby we found this gown and shawl—the prisoner had no money on her.
Prisoner. I bought them of the young man.
GEORGE JOHN HURLEY re-examined. I can swear I did not sell her these or anything else—I know this gown by the mark in ink on it—I know this green shawl from the pattern, and it has some stains on it—I know this other shawl by the pattern—it is a very uncommon pattern, very old-fashioned—the value of this gown is about 3s., half-a-crown, this shawl, and 2s. the other.
Prisoner's Defence. I purchased the shawl and gown at Mr. Delaney's for 3s. 6d.; he pushed them over to me on the counter; I wrapped them up, came out, and walked about two minutes; then I sat down on a step to look at them; I folded them up again; I had my two children with me; there was an old green shawl pinned to the gown; I was looking at it; the shopman came up, and said, "Where did you get this old shawl?" I said I had just that minute noticed it, if it was his he might have it; he took it, and left me; I walked on slowly, and in a few minutes the policeman came up and used me and my baby shamefully; several gentlemen and ladies cried shame on him, and said he ought to be punished; my child was only three weeks old at the time; if I had intended to steal it, would I have sat down so near; he says he does not recollect selling
them to me; if not, why did he not take them from me when he took the other shawly my husband is ill in the hospital.
GEORGE SUTTON re-examined. Directly she saw me, she snatched up the children, and nipped them so violently that they cried till they were black in the face—I only took her by the hand, and spoke to her mildly—she threw herself on the ground, and said she would not go—her husband is in the foot-artillery—he is not in the hospital—he was working on the batteries the day I took her.
GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.
(There were three other indictments against the Prisoner.
Before Mr. Recorder.
JOSEPH REEVE . I am a labourer, and live at Rotherhithe. I met with the prisoner on the 27th of July, at the Windmill public-house, Lower-road, Deptford—I had seen her once before—I tapped at the window, called her in, and asked her to drink—we sat down till about ten o'clock—I then went with her towards home—I had my watch safe then—when I came back it was gone—I did not go with her into any house—I did not miss the watch exactly at the time I left her—I cannot; say when I missed it—I was rather the worse for liquor—she was sober for what I know—I could not swear whether I dropped it—I did not have it out after leaving the Windmill—I know I had it when I left there—I recollect seeing the chain as I came out.
Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. When was this? A. On Sunday evening, the 27th—I was not very tipsy—I merely walked along the road with her—I did not miss the watch till the next morning—I saw the prisoner about half-past six o'clock on the next evening—I did not mention anything to her about the watch—after leaving her I had about a mile to go home—I did not accost any other person—I came straight on home—I cannot swear it was not taken after she left me—I know Edward Atkinson—he was not in my company that night—I never saw him till the prisoner was taken into custody—I cannot say how I lost the watch—this is it.
ROBERT CLARK (policeman.) I took the prisoner on the 18th of Aug.—Atkinson gave me this watch—he is not here—the Magistrate did not think he was wanted—he pointed to the prisoner, and said in her hearing, "That is the party I bought the ticket of"—she did not say anything.
Cross-examined. Q. Did not she say she had the watch from Atkin-son? A. No, I have never said so—I knew nothing of her before.
NOT GUILTY .
JOHN WHITEHEAD (police-constable B 203.) On the morning of the 13th of Sept., about a quarter past five o'clock, I went outside the prosecutor's garden—I found a quantity of peaches and nectarines tied up in an apron, and a handkerchief with apples concealed in some nettles—I let them remain and watched them; and about six, the prisoner came over a fence between five and six feet high, came towards them, and lifted the bundle up—it could not be seen from the other side of the fence—he lifted the bundle of peaches and nectarines with one hand, and the bundle with the apples in the other—my brother constable and I secured him—I asked what he did there—he said, "You have got me at last;" and on his person were found one peach and part of another—the bundles were in the rear of a cart-shed—I had received information which led me to find them there.
GEORGE GUNNER . I am a gardener at Wimbledon, near the church. On the 12th of Sept. I packed up some peaches and nectarines with scarlet bean leaves, and left them in the cart-shed ready to go to London—there was some paper among them—I have seen those found on the prisoner—they had scarlet bean leaves and paper—they had all the same appearance as mine—I do not know how to swear to the fruit or leaves—I missed a quantity from my shed—those found on the prisoner make up the quantity as near as I can judge—I believe them to be mine.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. I believe the prisoner lived all his life at Wimbledon, and bore a very good character? A. Yes.
NOT GUILTY .
Before Mr. Justice Erle.
1908. GEORGE HYDE was indicted for feloniously, with three other persons, assaulting Frederick Thomas Bennett, putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, 3 half-sovereigns, his monies; and immediately before, at the time of, and after the said robbery, beating, striking, and using other personal violence to him.
MR. HORNE conducted the Prosecution.
FREDERICK THOMAS BENNETT . On Tuesday morning, the 19th of Aug., I was returning home, about ten minutes past one o'clock in the morning—it was three or four weeks ago—I do not want to do any harm to the prisoner—I had come from my uncle's, in Kingsgate-street, Holborn—it rained very hard—when I got to the corner of Marshall-street, London-road, three men met me—one man laid at the end of my feet, with his hands holding each of my ancles—the others were one on each side of me—they chucked my hands over my back—the fourth man came up, put his hand on my mouth, and his knee on my chest, and took three half-sovereigns from my pocket, and left one sovereign and four half-sovereigns behind.
Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. I believe you had been enjoying yourself that night? Witness. What reason have you to believe that?—I had spent 4d. in coming from Kingsgate-street, Holborn, to the London-road, so I do not think I was very tipsy—I had been in the Prince of Wales public-house, and had fourpenny-worth of rum and water—I do not recollect throwing a sovereign at the landlord, nor throwing any silver down on the counter—I do not think I did do so—I will swear I did not—I was there about a quarter of an hour—I drank no more than I have stated—I was not drunk—I had had six penny-worth of rum and water at the Prince of Wales—I was rather the worse for liquor—I did not stumble or fall at the
end of Marshall-street—I was by myself—it was not a dark night—it was raining.
MR. HORNE. Q. How far is the Prince of Wales from your house? A. Not fifty yards—I had felt my money safe in my pocket about five minutes before these men came up to me—as I came out of the Prince of Wales I counted it, as I knew it was a bad house.
WILLIAM COOMBES (police-constable L 95.) On the morning of the 19th of Aug. I was at the window of Mr. Richardson's house, at the corner of Marshall-street and London-road—I saw the prosecutor come up—when he was under the lamp he staggered off the pavement into the road—I saw four persons come to the top of Marshall-street—one of them said, "Halloo"—three of them came down and laid hold of the prosecutor—the prisoner is one of them—I have known him four or five years—one still remained at the top of the street—the three came towards him, laid hold of his arm, and put it behind him—the prisoner directly let go his arm, came round in front of him, and put his hand into the prosecutor's waistcoat pocket—the prosecutor hallooed, "Police!"—I saw the prisoner put his hand on his mouth, throw him down on the ground, and lay a-top of him, or stand over him—the fourth person had then come down to the other three—I did not see that fourth man do anything to the prosecutor—I immediately came down stairs, and asked Mr. Richardson to open the door—I went out, and saw the prosecutor on his hands and knees, getting up off the ground—the four men were then turning the corner—the prisoner and another ran down Union-street, which is the next street to Marshall-street—the other two ran down the London-road, towards the Blind-school—the prisoner ran up a court that has no thoroughfare, and stood at the door of the last house on the left, in his shirt sleeves—(when I saw him with the prosecutor he had a blouse on)—I said, "I want you, Mr. Hyde"—he said, "Want me! I live here"—I said, "I know better; you knocked a man down just now, and robbed him"—I took him round to Marshall-street, but could not find the prosecutor—I then took him to the station, and charged him on suspicion—I afterwards went to this court in Union-street—I saw something white under a closet door at the end of the court—there was a vacancy of about nine inches at the top of the door—I forced the door open, and there found a blouse—I took it to the station, aud next morning I saw the prisoner with it on—he asked me who brought his blouse to the station—I said I did—he asked me where I found it—I said in the privy—the house I was in when this occurred belonged to Mr. Richardson—a wall next his house had been condemned, and pulled down, and he applied at the station for two men to be about at night, as the house was exposed—I had a view of the street where the prosecutor was standing—there was a gas lamp right opposite—I had a full view of them—they all three paused there for a minute.
Cross-examined. Q. You took the prisoner to the station in his shirt sleeves, did you not? A. Yes—when he got to the station he asked me to let him have a coat, as he was under the doctor's hands—I left the blouse in the inspector's hands—I was on the first floor of the house—there is a floor-cloth factory on the opposite side, and a lamp—it is a narrow street—I was looking out of the first floor window, looking down—the parties came up at the very moment I saw the prosecutor stagger off the pavement into the road—it all took place very rapidly, in the course of about two minutes—I continued looking out at the window till I saw
the prisoner put his hands into the prosecutor's pocket and throw him down—I then came down—at the time the prosecutor staggered the persons were just at the mouth of the street.
GUILTY of robbery, without violence. Aged 23.— Transported for Ten Years.
Before Mr. Justice Wightman.
MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution.
STEPHEN ADAMS . I live in Bermondsey-square, and am a broker; I knew the deceased; he was called Jack Curtis, but I understand his name was M'Donald. On the 2nd of Aug. I was at the Lord Monteagle public-house, Walworth—the prisoner and a person named Barker, a grease-buyer, were there—the prisoner was telling Barker that he had some fat to sell, and that his name was Owen Buckley—Curtis interfered, and said his name was not Owen Buckley—the dispute was entirely about the name—the quarrel rose so high that there was a challenge—the deceased said he would have a set-to with the prisoner—they agreed together to go out and have a set-to—they both went out and took off their coats—they caught hold of one another in the way of throwing one another—they threw each other twice—both were tipsy—if they had not been tipsy I think it would not have occurred—they stood in the middle of the road arguing, "Do you want anything of me?" and like that—they then took hold of one another sharply, and threw one another down in the mud in the kennel—it was a very awkward place—there is a drain-hole about a foot deep—they fell off the road across the kennel, and the deceased was undermost the first time—they got up again, and were persuaded to go away—the deceased crossed the pavement to the road again, to the prisoner, and they had at it again—they caught hold of each other, and threw one another down on the other side of the road—I stepped up and picked one of them up, I do not know which, but, I believe, the prisoner, and persuaded him to come away, and not fight any more—several others also persuaded him, and several persuaded the deceased to do so, and they were separated—they put on their coats, and walked away—Curtis walked with two or three more—I was at the same beer-shop on the Saturday following, and saw Curtis there having a pint of ale—he asked me to drink—I refused at first; at last I took a drink, and he said, "What two fools me and this Buckley must have been to have gone out on Saturday week to roll one another in the mud, for I do not think we hit one another a blow, or hurt one another."
Cross-examined by MR. HUDDLESTON Q. When Curtis came into the Lord Monteagle, was he not intoxicated? A. I did not notice—it was he that first of all interfered, before Buckley had said anything to him—when they caught hold of each other it was in a sort of wrestling way—whether getting into the drain-place caused them to fall, or whether they threw each other, I am not positive.
WILLIAM HENRY DRY . I am a surgeon, and live in Salisbury-place, Lock's-fields. I was called in on Thursday, the 14th of Aug., to No. 12, William-street, Brandon-street, Walworth, and there saw the dead body of
a man—I made an examination of the body on the 17th—I found a rupture of the peritoneum of about seven inches in extent, with effusion of blood between the folds of the intestines; also serous inflammation of the outer covering of the intestines—I found about a pint and a half of blood in the right cavity of the chest, with congestion of the lungs—under the cuticle of the chest I found an effusion of serum and blood together—I then examined the muscles of the chest, and was satisfied in my own mind that he had been injured in some way or other—the rupture of the peritoneum was the cause of death—such a rupture might have been caused by the hard pressure of another man's knee on him—if he fell, and a man upon him, that would account for the laceration of the peritoneum—I found no discoloration of the external surface—if it had been from a kick, there would have been discoloration—I cannot form any judgment as to when the injury was received; it would depend entirely on what time inflammatory action was set up—if the injury had existed for a fortnight before, he must have complained.
COURT. Q. In your judgment, could a person go about pretty much as usual, and go to a public-house and drink, with a rupture seven inches long in the peritoneum a week afterwards? A. No—he must have suffered greatly, and must have complained—it must have been occasioned by considerable violence—a fall or other injuries might have occasioned it.
NOT GUILTY .
Before Mr. Common Sergeant.
GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Two Years.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)
1911. JAMES MATTHEWS and MARY ANN THOMAS were indicted for stealing, on the 27th of Aug, 1 counterpane, value 10s.; 1 blanket, 4s.; 1 sheet, 3s.; 1 pillow, 1s.; 1 table-cloth, 9d.; 1 pillow-case, 6d.; and 1 candlestick, 6d.; the goods of John Ball; to which
MATTHEWS pleaded GUILTY .
THOMAS pleaded GUILTY .
✗ Confined Six Months.
(There was another indictment against the prisoners.)
ANN NEWMAN . I am twelve years old, and live with my father. About half-past two o'clock, last Monday afternoon, I saw Smith take the pail from against the spout near Mrs. Warner's house—he threw the water away, put the pail through his arm and went straight up the town—Goodrich was with him—I am sure of that.
Smith's Defence, I stood outside the door while it was sold.
GOODRICH— GUILTY . Confined One Month.
SMITH*— GUILTY . Confined Six Months.
1914. RICHARD HAMILTON and SAMUEL WATSON, alias Willis , were indicted for stealing, on the 13th Sept., 1 handkerchief, value 4s.; the goods of Richard Garde, from his person; and that Watson had been before convicted of felony.
RICHARD GARDE . Last Sunday night, I was walking down the Wal-worth-road going home—I was stopped by Morton, who told me I had been robbed—I felt in my pocket, and my handkerchief was gone—it was safe a quarter of an hour before—he produced it—this is it.
WILLIAM MORTON (policeman.) I saw the prisoners together, close beside one another—Hamilton put his hand into the prosecutor's pocket—I immediately ran up, and asked the prosecutor if he had lost his 1 handkerchief—he said he had—I pursued Watson, and took him—he tried to get away—I found the handkerchief in his hat at the station—he said he bought it in Field-lane for 2s. 9d.
Hamilton. He said before that he saw my hand go in three times. Witness. No, only once—I did not see it drawn.
Watson's Defence. I bought it in Field-lane, not ten minutes before—they took us nearly half a mile from the place.
MR. GARDE re-examined. I was two miles and a half from Field-lane when I lost it.
HAMILTON*— GUILTY . Confined Nine Months.
WATSON**— GUILTY . Transported for Ten Years.
1915. THOMAS BRYAN was indicted for stealing 1 pair of trowsers, value 5s.; 1 waistcoat, 1s.; and 1 handkerchief, 6d.; the goods of Charles Richard Bishop; and that he had been before convicted of felony: to which he pleaded
GUILTY .— Transported for seven Years.
GEORGE BEESON . I am in the service of John Brook Hunt and another—George Williams, who pleaded guilty, (see 10th session, page 698) was employed as a porter about their premises—I missed about half a dozen account books, and some covers—these are the books—they are old ones—I missed them on the 16th of Aug.—how long before that they had been taken I cannot tell—they might have been taken months
before—these books now produced are all my masters', and these are the books which I missed—they had been stolen from our place, and these are the books that Williams pleaded guilty to stealing.
Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. They have all been used, I believe? A. Yes—they were of use for reference—these have been laid by for years—we have lately been getting rid of a considerable quantity of old account books—we sell them for waste paper, at 10s. or 12s. a-cwt, to go to the mill—persons regularly purchase matters of this kind.
JOHN WHILANT (police-constable M 89.) I saw Williams on the 16th of Aug., about eight or nine o'clock in the evening, carrying a bag—he went into Pim's shop—Pim was behind the counter—Williams opened the bag, and took some paper shavings out of it—I saw Pim handle these book covers as the bag was on the counter, after the paper shavings were weighed—I should say there was from 6lbs. to 7lbs. weight of paper shavings, from the appearance of them, they being light—previous to the bag going in, it appeared to have something heavy at the bottom of it—the quantity which the bag contained was put in the scale—Mr. Pim came round his counter, and lifted the bag on the counter—I saw Pim take the covers in his hand, look at them, and appear to examine them—I did not see him take them from the bag—I saw them in his hand, he lifted from the mouth of the bag when the bag was on the counter—at that time I left the door, crossed over to West, and communicated what I saw—I stood a short time, and saw the bag delivered over to Williams empty, and he came oat with it under his arm—I followed till West took Williams, with the bag under his arm—I then returned to Pim's shop, and stationed myself to see if I could see anything of this kind come out—I watched till West came back—I then went into the shop, and West asked Pim if he had bought any paper—he replied that he had not bought any for three weeks—West described what sort of a young man he saw go into the shop, and about the time—Pim replied he had not seen any such person as that there, and when he had bought the paper he bought it of a female—I mentioned that at the Magistrate's office—West said he would search the place, and Pim consented, saying he would take him to where his paper was—he said he had a great quantity, that he was in the habit of buying it by the ton weight at a time—West then went in the rear of the premises, and I went to a bin where I suspected this was, and I found it in the bin—there was nothing over it—I found it as soon as I got to the edge of the bin—Pim's attention was drawn to these books—he said a part of it did not belong to these books at all, that it was part of his own book, and had been there for some time—he told us we had no businsss to take it away—we brought it away, and took it to the station—he afterwards admitted, when he came to the station, that he had bought the rest—he said he might have bought it, to the best of his belief, that evening—I heard him say that as I stood aside of him—Williams said this was the identical quantity of paper he sold to Pim, and Pim told us to look at Williams, and see what a false young man he was.
Cross-examined. Q. When at the station-house, Williams said in the presence and hearing of Pim, that was the paper he had sold to Pim, Pim replied that he was a false, lying, young scoundrel? A. That was about the words and the way in which they were uttered—I did not tell the Magistrate that Pim said it was, part of it, his own book, because that question
was not put to me, nor that Pim said he might have bought it that evening—I cannot say how I came to tell it now—I took no note of this conversation—I do not know that I and West have been talking this matter over since—we have not been talking it over at all—I would not swear either way—I might have made a remark to him, but we have not conversed in full upon it—not all that I have told you to-day, but respecting the case coming on to-day—I do not know that I have been talking over with West what I saw and heard on that occasion—I will swear I have not talked about that, or mentioned it to him—I have not repeated what I heard on that occasion—he has not talked to me about it—it occurred at the station—it was more addressed to the sergeant than to me—I was in plain clothes and so was West—West and I were at the shop when this was going on—people came up immediately after, when West called in another Constable in uniform.
THOMAS WEST (police-constable M 249.) I saw Williams go with something into Pim's shop, but what I could not say—he had a bag which seemed heavy—I saw Pim come round the counter, take something from the floor, and put it on the counter—I waited a short time and saw Williams come out of the shop—I followed him some distance—I stopped him, and asked him what he was doing with that bag—he said it was his own bag—I asked what he was going to do with it—he said he brought it from home—I went to Pim's and asked him if he had bought any paper that night—he said he had not—that was about three quarters of an hour afterwards—I told him it was a young man with a hat on, and a brown fustian jacket—he said he had not seen such a person that night—I told him I should go and search his place—he then took me backwards into a large warehouse and showed me some paper there—I said, "Let us go back again"—I went back and found this paper lying on some rags behind the counter—I said, "Here is some paper here"—he said, "That has been in my place three weeks"—the other officer told me he had taken it out of a little bin—I said I should take him and the paper to the station-house—ingoing along to the station I asked him what he came round the counter and took from the floor and put on the counter—he said he had not been round—when we got to the station the paper was placed before Williams, and he was asked if he knew anything of this paper—he said, Yes, it was the paper he took to Pim's—Pim denied it, and said, "Look at him and see if he is not telling a falsehood"—I am sure Pim said he had not seen such a person that night—after he said he had not bought the paper I described the person, and he said he had not seen such a person.
Cross-examined. Q. You were here last sessions? A. Yes—I and the other policeman were there in private clothes—we were together watching this shop, and had been watching for some time—we have been together since—we were disappointed that this case was not taken last sessions—we may have been speaking of it together—like enough we have—we have not mentioned the case in other respects—we may have done such a thing as talk about what we saw and what was said—I could not say whether we have done that once or oftener—I told the Magistrate that Pim said he had not seen such a person that evening—the other policeman stood alongside of me—what Pim stated I told the Magistrate—I made no memorandum of what was said—I trust to my memory—I have told you, word for word, all that took place—there might be more take place—there were
other persons there beside the constables, but I am certain they did not hear all that passed—I called them outside—I found 3s. 11d. on Williams.
NOT GUILTY .
GUILTY . Aged 62.— Confined Three Months.
ELIZABETH GOODSON . I am the wife of John Goodson. I am a laun-dress, and live at North-Brixton. The prisoner was in my employ—I missed a great many things in my illness, and amongst the rest, this handkerchief—they were things I had to wash—I went to the prisoner's lodging, and asked her for the handkerchief which I had been informed she had on Monday—she said she had sent it to my house—I said I had not received it, and I did not think she had—she said, so help her God, she had; and at the same time I saw her tucking it under the child's petticoats—I told the policeman, and he took it from her there—I know the handkerchief by the fellow one which Mrs. Potter has given me—it is her property, and I had it to wash.
WILLIAM HENRY FREEBORN (police-constable P 145.) I went with Mrs. Goodson to the prisoner, I heard her say that she had sent the handkerchief home, and after that I found it under the child's petticoats that she had in her arms—I found some duplicates there, but not of stolen property.
Prisoner's Defence. I took the handkerchief, but not with the intention of keeping it; I was going out one afternoon, and had not one clean of my own; I took the one I am accused of, at the same time telling my landlady of it; we had a few words, and she told my employer of it, who, with the owner, came and took me; I am a widow, and have four fatherless children—the prosecutrix said, "You shall go to prison, and your children to the workhouse;" she employed me at 3s. a day, and I had got another place at 3s. 6d., and she did this out of spite.
GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Three Months.
GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Three Months, and One Week in each Month in Solitude.
GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.
GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined One Year.
CHARLOTTE AUSTIN . I am the wife of Charles Austin; we live at Lambeth; we let out trucks. About the 23rd of Jan., 1844, the prisoner came and had a truck of me—I am sure he is the man—he said it was for his master, Mr. Mouncey—he had had it for his master from me before—he ought to have brought it back in an hour and a half—he did not bring it back at all.
Prisoner's Defence. It was to carry some goods; I went into a public-house, and sat drinking with a man; when I came out the truck was gone; I went to get it in Mr. Mouncey's name, as I had worked for him.
WILLIAM SIER (police-sergeant G 29.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction—(read—Convicted the 8th of April, 1844, by the name of John Smith, and Confined one Year)—the prisoner is the same person.
GUILTY . Aged 34.— Transported for Seven Years.
(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)
JOHN GUNNING . I am a broker, and live in St. James's-place, Walworth-common. I had a pestle and mortar safe on the sideboard in my shop at eleven o'clock on the 4th of Sept. I missed them at half-past eleven—this is the mortar—here is a mark on it—the pestle is not found.
STEPHEN BOWSER . On the 4th of Sept., about half-past eleven o'clock, I was at the side of Mr. Gunning's shop—I saw Berry come round the corner, from the shop, with something under his coat—Hancock was with him—they walked down the street together—I went and told Mr. Gun-ning.
Hancock. Bowser did not see me with Berry.
JAMES BAKER (police-constable P 98.) I know the two prisoners—I have seen them repeatedly together before this—I produce the certificate of Berry's former conviction at Newington—(read—Convicted the 5th of Feb., 1843, and Confined fourteen days, solitary)—he is the person.
BERRY— GUILTY . Aged 13. Confined One Year.
HANCOCK— NOT GUILTY .
1924. GEORGE HARRIS and WILLIAM EAST were indicted for stealing 1 flannel-jacket, value 3s. 6d.; 1 knife, 6d.; 1 tobacco-box, 1d.; and 1 handkerchief, 1d.; the goods of George Baldwin: and that Harris had been before convicted of felony.
GEORGE BALDWINN . I am a labourer, and was working for the Newcross Trust on the 8th of Aug.—at one o'clock I pulled off my jacket, containing these things, and laid it on the fence in front of me—I missed it and in about ten minutes the officer came with the prisoners, and my jacket box, knife, and handkerchief—these are them.
JOHN WHITLAMB (police-constable M 89.) I saw the prisoners crossing the road, and they went and sat down in a field—I saw Harris show something to East—they saw me and another officer, and they got up and went to the canal bridge—I went and asked Harris what he had got—he said his jacket, and he had had it three weeks—I took him to the station, and in going East dropped this box—a lady tapped at a window and told me of it, and I went back and took it—the prisoners were about two hundred yards from where the jacket was lost when I took them.
East. Q. Do you swear I dropped it? A. Yes, and this knife I took out of East's pocket.
Harris's Defence. The jacket is my own; I bought it on the Saturday morning, up the lane.
East's Defence. I met this man; I had picked up the box and knife.
HARRIS— GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined One Year.
EAST— GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Three Months.
GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Three Months.
1926. WILLIAM GROVES was indicted for stealing 2 printed books and case, value 16s.; 2 other printed books, 11s. 6d.; 1 handkerchief, 3s.; 10 quires of paper, 6s.; and 22 memorandum-books 1l.; the goods of William Smith, his master; to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months
GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Four Months.
Before Mr. Recorder.
1928. THOMAS BEVAN was indicted for stealing 1 night-gown, value 6d., the goods of Elijah Walker: also, 1 pair of trowsers, 10s.; the goods of John Morris; and that he had been before convicted of felony: to which he pleaded
GUILTY . Aged 17.— Transported for Seven Years.
GUILTY . Aged 13.— Confined Two Months.
THOMAS BENT . (police-constable V 95.) On the 23rd of June I saw the two prisoners together, and watched them—they went to the shop of Mr. Farrell, a greengrocer, in Union-road, Clapham—Godfrey looked in at the window, and then Thornberg went stealthily round the door-post into the shop—Godfrey stood at the door—Thornberg came out again, and they went away together—I went into the shop, and then followed the prisoners to different places—I then took them, and found Thornberg in possession of this pair of boots—he was carrying them openly—I had seen the prisoners in conversation with a woman just before I took them, and the woman took the boots out of Thornberg's hand, looked at them, and returned them to him—when I took the boots, the prisoners said they had bought them of a boy up the Clapham-road, who was selling flowers—I had seen such a boy, but he and the prisoners had not spoken to each other—they were on one side of the road, and he on the other.
ELIZA FARRELL . I am nearly thirteen years old—I live with my father, William Farrell, a greengrocer, in Union-road, Clapham. I recollect the officer Bent coming to me—I had before that seen Thornberg in the shop—he asked me which was the way to Clapham-common—I was going to show him, and the officer came in.
GEORGE BRIGHTLING . I am a journeyman butcher, and live in Union-street, Clapham. These are my boots—I gave them to Mr. Farrell, the father of Eliza Farrell, about eight o'clock on Monday morning, the 23rd of June, to take to another person—he put them on the counter in his shop—I afterwards learned that the man who was to repair them had never seen them—I then found them in possession of the officer.
WILLIAM PARNELL . (police-sergeant M 5.) I produce a certificate of the conviction of the prisoner Thornberg, at the Quarter Sessions at Newington—he is the person—(read—Convicted 13th Sept., 1841, confined in solitude seven days, and whipped.)
THOMAS HYDE . (police-constable L 137.) I produce a certificate of the conviction of the prisoner Godfrey, at the Quarter Sessions at Newington—he is the person—(read—Convicted the 8th of July, 1845, confined three months, and whipped.)
THORNBERG*— GUILTY . Aged 17
GODFREY*— GUILTY . Aged 16
Transported for Seven Years.
JONES pleaded GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.
CLAYTON pleaded GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.
(There was another indictment against Jones.)
MESSERS. SCRIVEN and ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.
AMELIA ELLIOTT . I am assistant to Mr. Samuel Benthall, who keeps a stall in the Thames-tunnel. On the afternoon of the 22nd of Aug., Williams came to the stall, and asked me if I had a view of the Thames-tunnel (that is, a small model of it in a magnifying-glass)—I showed her one—the price was 1s. 6d.—She purchased it, and asked if I had change for a sovereign—I said I had not, but I would get it her—I left the stall and went to the Tunnel-toll, which was not very far—the stall is close at the end—I only had to go up the steps—she asked me to get her half-a-sovereign—I changed the sovereign, and got a half-sovereign and silver—I took her the change down, and laid it on the stall, and she gave me the 1s. 6d. from it—there were three or four ladies on the other side of the stall, who asked the price of some things—I turned to them for two or three minutes, and when I turned back, Williams said she did not think the half-sovereign was a good one—I showed it to Mr. Benthall—he said it was not good, and told me to take it to the person I had it from—I took it to Mr. Charles Lack—I then went back to Williams, and asked her to give me the other silver, and she did so—I then took the silver to Mr. Lack, and he gave me the sovereign again—I went to another place, and got change for it—Mr. Lack told me it was not the half-sovereign he gave me, but he would give me the sovereign again to get the half-sovereign he gave me—when I had got the change, I went to Williams, gave her the full change, and said I was sorry to keep her so long—she gave me the 1s.6d. and went away—in the change I gave her the second time, there was a half-sovereign—the constable, Ceely, took the half-sovereign that Williams gave me back—Mr. Lack did not take it of me, but he gave me the sovereign back—I was to give him back his good half-sovereign again.
COURT. Q. Were there many persons passing in the tunnel? A. Not so many then—it was rather slack—we keep a fancy stand—the articles we sell are Derbyshire spar.
CHARLES LACK . I am toll-keeper at the Thames-tunnel. On the 22nd of Aug. Elliott came to me for change for a sovereign—she wished particularly for a half-sovereign—I gave her a half-sovereign and 10s.—I had weighed that half-sovereign about an hour before, in scales which we have for the purpose, and found it was weight—we do not take them without weighing—I had only that half-sovereign by me at the time—Elliott came back in two or three minutes to say that the female feared it was a bad half-sovereign—I said, "This is not the one I gave you, this is a light one"—the one I gave her was a deep yellow, and the one she brought back was lighter and duller—I did not weigh it, but 1 bent it on the counter—I gave her the sovereign back again that she should bring the good half-sovereign to me, which I had given her—I was satisfied the half-sovereign she brought me back was not the one I gave her—I never had the slightest doubt about it.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Which end of the tunnel is your station? A. The Surrey end—Elliott's stand is not half-way across—it is under the bottom of the river Thames—the tunnel was opened on the 25th of March, 1843—it is lighted with gas.
ROBERT CEELY . (Thames Tunnel constable, No. 3.) On the 22nd of Aug., I was at the toll-house on the Rotherhithe side—I was there when Elliott brought back the half-sovereign to Mr. Lack—I took it from him
examined it, and found it was bad—I have kept it in my possession ever since—this is it—I told Elliott to take back the full change to the stall—she took it—I went down and saw Williams sitting at the stall—I saw Garrard at another stall, from six to nine yards off—he was looking in the direction to where Williams was sitting—they went out, Garrard following about six yards behind Williams—when they got out, Williams waited, and Garrard joined her company—they went about a hundred yards together, talking—I followed them, and saw Williams give Garrard something, but I could not see what—I made up to them, and told Garrard he had been passing bad money in the tunnel, in company with the female—I seized his hand, and he passed something to his left hand, and from his left hand to his mouth—he broke from me—I seized him again, and caught him by the throat—I said, "Open your mouth; you have something in your mouth"—he said "You are a d—d smart fellow, but you are too late this time; it is gone"—he opened his mouth, and put out his tongue a long distance—I called on a constable to assist me, by holding Williams while I took Garrard—I found on him a black satin shawl, 5s.8d. in good money, and two letters—Williams was searched, and on her was found 8s.6d. in silver, and the half-sovereign which I bad previously marked.
Cross-examined. Q. How do you mean marked? A. I marked it at "the tell-tale," at the time Elliott quitted it—I marked it before it was given her, for the purpose of her giving it to Williams—I might not have said that before, I cannot say—this is the half-sovereign—here is the mark alongside the edge—I will swear I made this mark before Elliott had it, and in her presence.
MR. JOHN FIELD . I am inspector of coin to the Mint. This is counterfeit half-sovereign—it is gilt by means of electrotype—it is Britannia metal covered with gold—it is less than as light again as a good one—this second is a good one.
WILLIAMS*— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Nine Months.
GARRARD— NOT GUILTY .
Before Mr. Common Sergeant.
DRURY pleaded GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months
MESSERS. BODKIN and HUDDLESTON Conducted the Prosecution.
SAMUEL PARKER NOBLE . I keep the Dover Castle public-house, Mount-row, Lambeth. Drury was in my service—he came on the 16th of July—I had heard that he had been with Mr. Silcocks before be came to me—on the 29th of Aug. a paper parcel was brought to me by my wife—it contained 1l. worth of silver.
FREDERICK DRURY . I am the person who was indicted and has pleaded guilty. I formerly was in the service of Mr. Silcocks, in Phœnix-street, Somers-town—I was at this time in the service of Mr. Noble—I remember Benson coming to my master's house on the Friday this happened, in the middle of the day—I expected him that day—I put this 1l. worth of silver, wrapped up in a piece of paper, on the counter—I had 18s. of my own, and 2s.». I had taken out of Mr. Noble's till on the Wednesday before.
Q. Do you mean you stole it? A. Yes, I took it out—I did not take
it out with the intention of stealing it—I took it with the intention of lending it to Mr. Benson—he was very kind to me before I got into that situation—I expected him that morning because I had written him a letter requesting him to come—I am nearly twenty years old.
Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. You got the 2s. out of the till on Wednesday? A. Yes—Benson wrote a letter to me, asking me to lend him some money—I have lost that letter—I could not find it in my box.
SAMUEL PARKER NOBLE re-examined. My wife showed me the parcel of 20s. in silver—I went to the counter, where I saw the prisoner Benson—I was looking at the silver—he abruptly left the counter, turned round, and left the shop—when the silver was handed to me by my wife, Benson was at one end of the counter and I at the other—I am satisfied he saw the parcel delivered to me by my wife—soon after he was gone Stockman came in, and delivered a message to Charles, one of my young men—Charles told me, and I gave him an answer, which he took to Stockman—in about an hour afterwards a letter was brought to me—while I was reading it, Stockman gave Charles a second letter—Charles brought it to me—after this second letter had been received, Stockman went out, and some time afterwards Benson came in—he said to me," Mr. Noble, I have come for the 1l. worth of silver I left on the counter"—I instantly recognised him to be the same man I had seen standing at the counter some time before, when the silver was delivered to me by my wife—I said, "Your money, how is it your money? you did not claim it at the time it was found; how came it your silver?"—he said, "I got change for a sovereign from some of your young people"—(I had some young people there)—I said, "Which of them gave you change for a sovereign?"—he said, "I can't tell"—I said, "It is extremely singular that you should get change for a sovereign, leave it on the counter, and you not own it at the time; I shall feel myself justified in detaining it; I shall keep it till Monday; in the meantime I shall make inquiries; if I find you to be a respectable man, and no one else claims it, you shall have it"—he said, "You may keep it, if you like, for a week; that boy (pointing to Drury) knows that I am a respectable man, and my address is in that letter"—I told him to come on Monday; and when he had left I took Drury to the other end of the counter, and questioned him—I did not know Benson before—he was not dressed as a policeman, and he did not tell me he was a policeman—on the Monday he came, and called for a glass of ale—I asked him into the parlour—I had a police-inspector there in uniform—as soon as Benson saw the inspector in the parlour, he said, "I hope, Mr. Noble, you are not going to get me into trouble about this 1l. worth of silver"—I said, "Trouble indeed, it is such as you that get poor boys like this (pointing to Drury) into trouble"—he said, "I got the 1l. worth of silver in change for a sovereign at Mr. Watchorn's opposite"—I said, "Is that the 1l. worth of silver you left on the counter?"—he said it was—I will swear he said that—I said "Thank you, I have nothing more to say to you"—the inspector took him into custody.
Cross-examined. Q. Have you seen a letter that was found from Benson to Drury, or from Drury to Benson? A. I saw one from Drury to Benson—I had seen Benson before my wife gave me the money—I had noticed him reading the paper, or pretending to read it, for an hour and a half at the bar—I said that before the Magistrate, and it was taken down.
MR. BODKIN. Q. What was your reason for saying he was reading, or
pretending to read? A. He had the paper up before his face—when I looked at him his eyes were over it, watching me; and when he saw me looking at him, he put his eyes down again—when he saw the inspector, he did not say he was a policeman till he was asked.
NATHANIEL LAMACRAFT . I am a butcher. I was at Mr. Noble's on the Friday when this happened—I was not a minute in front of the bar—I saw a parcel lying near the engine—I took it up, and gave it to Drury who was inside the counter—Mrs. Noble took it of Drury—I took the parcel from just behind the beer-engine—I had been in the bar three quarters of an hour, or an hour before—the parcel was not there then—Benson was there when I went in the first time, and when I went the second time—when I took up the parcel I thought it contained money by the feel of it—when I took it and gave it to Drnry, Benson said he had seen it lying there ever since he had been there—when it was opened, Mrs. Noble said it was 1l. worth of silver—she said that so loud that Benson could hear it—it was after she said it contained 1l. worth of silver, that Benson said he had seen it there ever since he had been there—I went out leaving him there.
Cross-examined. Q. Tell me the nature of the counter? A. It is about four or five feet long—the beer-engine is at one corner of it—the parcel was at the back of the engine, on the counter, on the side that the public come to—I went in the first time for a glass of something to drink—there was only one person there, who went in with me and Benson.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Was it a beer-engine? A. Yes, made of mahogany—a parcel put on the back of it would not be seen by persons inside the counter.
JOHN STOCKMAN . I am a writer, and live in Union-court, Granby-street, Lambeth. On this Friday I was outside Mr. Noble's house—I saw Benson come out—he came up to me and said, "I have been drinking, and feel somewhat a little elated"—his face was middingly flush—he informed me that he had left Mr. Noble's side entrance, and on the counter he had left a paper containing 1l. worth of silver—he said, "I will give you 6d. to get a glass, if you will go in and inquire if it has been found"—I went in and inquired—I went out and told Benson the money was found—we walked a few paces, and he asked me where there was a stationer's shop—I directed him to one near Astley's Theatre, and there he wrote these letters—he asked me how long it would take me to go to Oxford-street—I said, "About forty minutes there, and forty minutes back"—he calculated and said, "Well, allowing ten minutes for the writing of the letter, we will say an hour and a half"—he and I walked about till he calculated, by the clock, an hour and a half, but in the time he invited me to have a cup of coffee—I then went with the letter to Mr. Noble's—Mr. Noble spoke to me—I went and told Benson that Mr. Noble said he would not give up the money without he went in—he rebuked me for leaving the receipt, not having the money—he said, "I have a great mind almost to sacrifice the 1l., sooner than go in"—I said, "I think you are very foolish for so doing; if I had left 1l. I would go in and claim it"—it was with great difficulty I prevailed on him to go in.
THOMAS STREWART ROGERS . I am inspector of the L division of police. On Monday, the 1st of Sept., I went to Mr. Noble's, in uniform—I was taken into the parlour, and Drury was brought in—while I was there, Benson came to the bar to ask for something to drink—he was brought to the room where I was—he saw me and Drury—I showed him the two
letters, and asked if those were his handwriting—he said they were his handwriting—I asked him if he lived at No. 127, Oxford-street—he said he did not—I asked him if he was a policeman—he said, yes, he belonged to the S division—he begged Mr. Noble would not expose him, or hurt him, and he said he bore a good character in the police—he said he had got the 20s. in change over the way; that he had gone there and had a glass of ale, and that was the change—he said he had got it at Mr. Watchorn's, a very large spirit-shop.
Cross-examined. Q. Was there a letter found? A. Yes—this is it—it is the only one from Drury—there were two other letters—they were in Benson's box.
MR. BODKIN. Q. Where did you find his box? A. In the station-house, Phœnix-street, Somers-town.
JAMES CARTER (police-constable S 140.) I was on the adjoining beat to Benson's, at Somers-town, in June last—I know Mr. Silcock's shop at Somers-town—Drury was in his service, and Drury and Benson were acquainted, I believe—I have not seen them together, but Benson told me he was going to Hampton-court with a gentleman, and he afterwards said he was going with Drury to Hampton-court—he was inquiring the price of a chaise, and he said the gentleman would pay a sovereign—I saw him afterwards, and he said he had been with Mr. Silcock's barman, not mentioning the name, to Hampton-court, and they had taken their own wine and brandy with them.
----SILCOCK. I keep a spirit-vaults at Somers-town. Drury was in my service before he went to Mr. Noble—he was with me nearly two years—I have seen Benson at my private bar repeatedly—Drury was always anxious to get to that bar—I have never seen him in company with Benson except there—when Drury came to me he was between seventeen and eighteen years old—I do not know how soon after he became acquainted with Benson—their acquaintance continued while Drury was with me, and he was the last man in the world I should have suspected.
Cross-examined. Q. Had you another barman? A. No—my son serves at the other counter, and myself.
MR. ROBINSON to FREDERICK DRURY. Q. Was Benson aware that you had taken this 2s. from Mr. Noble's till? A. No, he was not—I have borrowed money of him, but not frequently—he was kind enough to lend me 1l. before I came to my situation—I only knew him from coming to the house when I lived at Mr. Silcock's, and from that time I have been on intimate terms with him.
MR. BODKIN. Q. He lent you 1l., did he? A. Yes—he did not wish me to repay that 1l., but he asked me to lend him 1l.
THOMAS STEWART ROGERS re-examined. I heard Benson make a statement before the Magistrate—this is the Magistrate's signature to it—(read)—"Statement made by the prisoner Benson. 'I have been in the S division getting on for five years; I have lived in the station-house for the last six months; I came off duty last Friday, and I wanted a sovereign, your worship, and I wrote to this young man to see if he would lend me one; I do not know whether it was Monday or Tuesday I wrote; he I said if I called on Friday I could have it; I came on Friday; I went to Watchorn's, opposite Mr. Noble's, and had a glass of ale, and I gave a sovereign to the barman; he gave me change, all in silver, excepting one halfpenny; I put the money into my pocket, and went over to Mr. Noble's
to see this young man, to see if he could let me have the sovereign; I called for a glass of ale, and paid for it; I was there a considerable time, reading the newspaper, and saw the parcel on the counter that Drury had placed there for me to take, and I had another glass of ale; the butcher, the witness Lamacraft, came in, and picked up the parcel, and gave it to one of the young men, and said, "Here is a parcel of something here;" I was reading the newspaper at the time, and was not aware at the time that he had left the money there for me; Drury told me directly the money was picked up that he had placed it there for me; he told me how foolish it was of me, that he had left the pound there for me; then, fearing that he should be the loser, and make me pay the money again, I went outside, and met this man, Stockman, and asked him to go in and ask for the money I had placed there; I considered it was mine when Drury told me he had placed it there for me; I was to have returned the money to him to-day; Stockman came outside again, and said Mr. Noble would not give it unless I went in myself for it; I told, him that as I had acted to foolish about it, in not owning it at the time, I was ashamed to go in; I then went to a stationer's shop to write that letter, and gave it to this man to go in, thinking I could get the money in that way; we went to get a couple of cups of coffee; I thought it best to send a receipt, thinking that he, Mr. Noble, would send the money to me, and I wrote the second letter; Stockman took them to Mr. Noble, he came outside, and told me that he (Mr. Noble) was a most gentlemanly man, and if I would go inside he would give me the money; I went inside, and asked Mr. Noble if he would give me the money; he said he would if I would call the next day; then I told him he might keep it for a month if he liked, that no other person would claim it but me; Mr. Noble wished me to call on Monday, (this day,) and I did call; it was a mistake of mine when I said I got the money from one of Mr. Noble's men; I wish to say that I did not wish. Mr. Noble to know that a policeman would borrow money from his barman, and that was why I signed the letters. G.O. Benson. Taken before me, T. HENRY."
BENSON— NOT GUILTY
JAMES NELSON SHARMAN . I am captain of the Happy Return, of Yarmouth. I was at the Waterman's Arms, Bermondsey, on the 12th of Sept.—I had three sovereigns and a half in my purse—there were people in the house—the prisoners were there—I had a dispute with Lordan who could drink the most rum—I laid a wager that I could—I put a sovereign down on the table—he put nothing down—I then put my purse into my pocket, and afterwards I missed it—Murphy was close by my side.
Cross-examined by MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. You were drunk, were you not? A. I was a little forward—I did not catch a man round the neck, and roll with him under the table—I jumped on the table—I might fall down—I did not roll about the room—we might be all pretty forward—I did not, to my knowledge, offer Woodward 10s., or even a sterling sove-reign, to swear that the prisoners were the persons that robbed me—I cannot say whether I did—I might say anything after I found my money was gone.
PETER JACOBS . I am a fiddler. I was at the public-house—I saw Sharman take out a sovereign about a bet—he took it out of a reddish purse—I saw him put it back into his pocket—a good many men caught hold of him, and Jack Murphy took the purse out of his pocket—Lordan was in the tap-room—they were all round him—when Murphy took the purse he went outside for two or three minutes.
Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean you fiddle about the street for your livelihood? A. At public-houses I do—Sharman was not very drunk—I saw him jump on the table—I swear I saw Murphy take the purse out of his pocket—I was in the tap-room when they were drinking—I heard the cry of police five or six minutes after—I saw the purse taken—I then went and told what I saw—I was outside when there was a cry of "Police," and I pointed Murphy out.
Q. Did you not say at first, you did not know who the man was that took it? A. I did not see him very long—but when I saw him I said that was him—I told the policeman I did not know the man that took it—that was before I had seen him—I told the policeman I had seen a man take a purse out of Sharman's pocket, but I did not know the man.
JURY. Q. Do you mean you did not know the name of the man? A. I did not know the name of the man—I bad never seen him before.
MR. ROBINSON. Q. What do you mean by calling him Jack Murphy? A. Because the policeman said that was his name—I had been in that pub-lic-house once or twice that day.
COURT. Q. Are you sure he took the purse? A. Yes.
CHARLES WOODWARD . I was at the Waterman's Arms—I saw Sharman take a yellow purse out of his pocket—a common money bag—he took a sovereign from it, and put the bag back into his pocket—he then got up and danced—when he had done dancing, he got on the table, and tumbled over a man's neck, and then he rolled about again—I then saw a bag passed round—I think it was from Lordan—it was from one of the I prisoners to the other—I cannot swear which it was.
Q. You said, "I saw Murphy pass a red purse similar to what I had I seen in the prosecutor's hand to Lordan?" A. I never said that—this is I my handwriting to this deposition—this is what the clerk took down afterwards—I signed it, but I did not read it—I will not swear that it was read I over to me.
Cross-examined. Q. Did you make your statement before the Magistrate? A. Yes—it was not written down at that time—I was taken into I another room, and something given me to sign—this is it—I could not I swear whether it was read over to me—the bag was thrown round the room to fifteen or sixteen persons—it was from one prisoner to the other, and afterwards was passed all round the room—I did not see what was in the purse—I saw the prosecutor take a sovereign out of it, and then he put the sovereign into his waistcoat pocket, and he treated me with it afterwards—it had the appearance of an empty bag when it went round the room.
Cross-examined. Q. What time did you take the prisoner? A. About five o'clock in the afternoon—Lordan was in the public-house, and Murphy was at the corner—the prosecutor was a great deal the worse for liquor.
The deposition of Charles Woodward was here read, as follows:—"I saw the prosecutor take a red canvas bag from his pocket, take out a sovereign, put it on the table, then take it up again and put it into his waistcoat pocket—the prosecutor got into a laughable sort of freak, and rolled about the floor—he was cuddling hold of one man by the neck—he then got up and sat down—Murphy sat on one side of him, and Lordan on the other—I saw Murphy pass a red purse similar to what I had seen in the prosecutor's hand to Lordan, and then it was handed round the room."
MURPHY*— GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.
LORDAN.— NOT GUILTY .
ADJOURNED TILL MONDAY, 27TH OF OCTOBER.