HARRIET WELLS, JAMES BOOBIER, Royal Offences > coining offences, 11th December 1871.

112. HARRIET WELLS (27), and JAMES BOOBIER (65) , for a like offence.

MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution; MR. HORACE BROWN defended Wells, and MR. GRIFFITHS defended Boobier.

WILLIAM JASPER . I am a corn-dealer, at York Road, Battersea—on the evening of 9th November Wells came to my shop for half a peck of Indian corn, which was 8d.—she gave me a sixpence and twopence—she tied the corn up in a handkerchief, and I watched her across the road to a cart—I had kept the sixpence in my hand—I put it to my mouth, and found it was bad directly—there was a man in the cart—the woman lifted the Indian com into the cart, and they appeared to be fumbling together—I then saw Wells go into Mrs. Porter's, the baker's, which is about thirty yards from my place—I spoke to a young man named Fry, who works at Mrs. Porter's, and I kept my eye on the man—he stopped in the cart till Wells came out of the baker's shop, and then she got up in the cart—I went and collared the horse, and said I should give them into custody for passing bad money—Fry was on one side of the horse, and I was on the other—I turned the horse round—Wells jumped out, and said "Oh dear, I was not aware of it, I was not aware it was bad"—I seized hold of her, and said I should give her into custody—I let go of the horse's head then

—I kept hold of her till a constable came, and I gave her in custody—she offered me a good shilling, but I refused to take it—I gave the sixpence to V 198—about two or three minutes after I seized Wells the man is the cart drove away—that was before the constable came—he drove off at full tear—I saw him in custody a few days afterwards—I am sure the prisoner is the same man—I can swear to his features.

Cross-examined by MR. BROWN. I had taken bad money before, and I was on my guard—I never saw the woman before that I know of, but my wife gave an exact description of her—she paid with sixpence and twopence.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I had never seen Boobier before that night—I was looking at him some minutes whilst Wells was in the shop—I kept about three yards from him—the cart was about thirty yards from my shop—his face was towards me all the while—it was a fine little horse, and did not want much persuading—I mean by "fumbling" as if they were passing something to each other—Boobier was in the cart, and Wells was on the ground.

MARY PORTER . On 9th November I was in the baker's shop kept by my aunt at York Road, Battersea—about 7 o'clock Wells came in for a quart of linseed, which was 5d.—she gave me a sixpence, and I gave her a penny change—I put the sixpence in the till—there was no other there—directly after she left a person named Keep went to the till, and showed me a bad sixpence—he went to the shop door, and sent Fry out, and I afterwards saw Wells in custody.

Cross-examined by MR. BROWN. I should not have known it was bad if I had not been told—it was a good imitation.

ALFRED KEEP . I am foreman to Miss Porter—I saw Wells served, and I saw Miss Porter put the sixpence in the till—after Wells had left, Fry came in, and I went to the till, and took out a sixpence, which I found was bad, and gave to the Police-constable B 198—Fry went out, and the woman was brought back—I told her she had passed a bad sixpence, and she offered to change it for a good one—I saw the cart—Boobier was driving—as we were talking to Wells he whipped the horse, and drove away as fast as he could go.

Cross-examined by MR. BROWN, I heard her say she was not aware it was bad, and she would give a good one for it—she had other money.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I only saw Boobier for a second, and I never saw him before—I have seen him at Wandsworth Police Court since.

Re-examined. I have not the least doubt that he is the man.

GEORGE FRY . I am in Miss Porter's service—Jasper made a communication to me, and I spoke to Keep, after I had seen Wells in the shop—I saw Boobier in the cart, opposite the shop—I saw Jasper at the horse's head—I was close to the shaft, and saw the man's face—Wells got out, and was going towards the shop with Mr. Jasper—he halloaed out "Stop the cart," and the old man drove away immediately.

Cross-examined by MR. BROWN. I did not see what was in the cart.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Mr. Jasper said he would give the woman in custody—he did not say so to the man—I did not hear anyone say they would lock the man up then—Jasper did not say it—I had never seen the man before—I was looking at him for two or three seconds.

ALFRED STACEY . I am a butcher, at York Road, Battersea—Jasper pointed Wells out to me, and Boobier, who was sitting in the cart—I saw Wells come out of Miss Porter's shop, and get into the cart—she got out

afterwards, and went to the shop again, and Boobier droye off—I am sure he is the man.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I was looking at him about five minutes—I heard Jasper say "I shan't let you go; I will lock you up," and the old gentleman drove away as soon as he could—I ought to have kept him there—I had it in my power to do it.

JOHN DAVIS (Policeman V 198). I was on duty in York Road, about 6.45, and I saw a horse and cart going very quickly towards London—I attempted to stop it, but could not—the cart was 400 or 500 yards from Miss Porter's shop—Boobier was the man who was in the cart—I went to Miss Porter's, and found Wells detained there—she was charged with uttering two bad sixpences—she said "I did not know they were bad"—I then asked her if she had any more money in her possession—she said "If I had any smaller change I should not have tendered a sixpence"—she gave me her purse, containing two shillings, one sixpence, a threepenny piece, and 6d. in bronze, all good money—I asked her address, and she gave me "15, Hall Street, Clapham"—I took her to the station—I have made inquiries, but I can find no Hall Street at Clapham—I produce the two sixpences, which I received from Jasper and Keep—on 13th November I went to 114, Wyndham Street, Camberwell—I waited there till 12.30, and saw Boobier go in the back way—I went in by the front, ten minutes or a quarter of an hour afterwards, and found him in bed—I charged him with being concerned with Wells, now in custody, in passing two bad sixpences in the York Road—it was some few minutes before I could make him understand, as he was in liquor—he said "I would sooner go to the bottom of the Thames than go"—I found a horse and cart in the back yard; it was the same one that had passed me; and on the prisoner I found 3l. 2s. 10d., and a photograph of the female prisoner—he was wearing a brown coat over a white one—Wyndham Road, Camberwell, is about five or five and a half miles from York Road, Battersea.

Cross-examined by MR. BROWN. 3l. 2s. 10d. was what I found on the prisoner, and he gave a sovereign to his wife.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. When I saw the old man driving, I was so close that the wheel almost passed over me; some gent pulled me back, or I should have been run over—it was 6.45 on the evening of 9th November—it was getting dark, but there was plenty of gas where I was—I took particular notice of him, because I attempted to stop the horse as it came galloping past me—I was looking at the man and the horse too.

WILLIAM GADD (Police Sergeant V 8). I was present before the Magistrate when the male prisoner was in the dock—he was wearing a brown coat over a white one—he took off the brown coat and put it on the floor, and I took charge of it.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I have inquired as to his character—I can find nothing against it, or that he has ever been in trouble.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two sixpences are bad, and from the same mould.

Cross-examined by MR. BROWN. They arc very well made indeed.

Witnesses for Boobier.

THOMAS WINTER . I am a carpenter, and live at 114, Wyndham Road, Camberwell, where Boobier lives—out 9th November I saw him in bed at 2.30—I did not see him at all in the evening, but I heard him cough—he was in bed from the 5th November up to the 15th, with rheumatics—

I am certain he did not go out of the house that day—about two months ago Wells lodged there—I know it was 9th November, because I had to go to Mr. Squibuer's to look after a job.

Cross-examined. I am no relation of the prisoner's, only a lodger—he is a married man—he had rheumatics—no doctor attended him that I am aware of—no one else lives in the house besides him and his wife, and myself and my wife and child—it was on a Thursday that I am speaking of, when I saw him in bed at 2.30—I went into his bed-room—I did not see him the day after that, but I heard, him—I am out of work now, but I was not that week.

Re-examined. Wells did lodge there, but she left about two months ago—I saw Boobier at 2.30, and he could not have gone out without I saw him—I have a workshop at the back.

COURT. Q. Do you know his horse and cart? A. Yes, it did not go out that day—I swear that—the stable is about two yards from my workshop, and I should have heard it if it had gone out—neither Boobier or the horse and cart went out that day—he keeps fowls, and they are fed on Indian corn.

GEORGE BLOMONT . I live at 6, Webb Street, Walworth, and am an iron bedstead-maker—on 8th November I went to Boobier's, about 1 or 2 o'clock—he was in bed, with rheumatics—I went to see him again on the 9th (Lord Mayor's Day), about the same time—he was then in bed—I called again in the evening, between 9 and 9.30, and he was in bed still—I remember it, because it was Lord Mayor's Day.

Cross-examined. He keeps a pony and cart—I borrowed them, and took them out on the 8th, and On the 9th, too, between 1 and 2 o'clock in the day, and took them back between 9.30 or 10 o'clock—I was on the hawk, with my work—I sell iron bedsteads—I had the cart the day before, about the same time—there was no one there when I had the cart those two days, and no one went with me—Webb Street is about a mile from Wyndham Road—I am sure I am right about the date.

DOUGAL MCMILLAN . I am a bootmaker, at 21, Holliugton Street, Camberwell—on 8th November, about 7 o'clock in the evening, I called on Mr. Boobier, and found him in bed, suffering from rheumatics—I went to buy some pigeons—he told me to call again the next day, and I did so, about 7 or 7.30 in the evening—he was still in bed—I know it was the 9th, because it was Lord Mayor's Day—I remember better about the 8th, because it was my lodge, night, and I was going to pay my subscriptions, and the next day was Lord Mayor's Day, when I called again.

Cross-examined. I live about a quarter of a mile from the prisoner—I keep pigeons, and so does he—I went to buy some—I did not know he was in custody till I received a subpoena, which I have in my pocket now—I am a bootmaker, and work amongst omnibus men—I have never been in trouble myself, I am positive about that.

COURT. Q. When were you first called on to remember what time you had seen this man in bed? A. I think last Sunday week—Mr. Winter came to me on 3rd December, a few days after it happened—I knew from Mr. Winter that the prisoner had been taken up, but I did not know that it was for passing bad money—I knew he was out on bail—I went to buy some pigeons on Sunday, 3rd December, and they asked me if I recollected coming there on the 8th and 9th November—Winter told me there was a case on, but he did not tell me what it was.

Re-examined. I think I received the subpeena to come here last Thursday—I only knew the prisoner by being introduced by Winter, being told that he had some pigeons that would suit me, and I called to see him about them.

BOOBIER received a good character.GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment. WELLS— GUILTY .— Eight Months' Imprisonment.


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