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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>EIGHTH SESSION OF 1884-5, HELD MAY 18TH, 1885.</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>Law Booksellers and Publishers.</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, May 18th, 1885, and following days.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE</hi> the
<hi rend="smallCaps">RIGHT HON</hi>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">ROBERT NICHOLAS FOWLER, M.P., LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; the Hon. Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">HENRY HAWKINS</hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's High Court of Justice; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</hi>, Knt.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">M.P., SIR THOMAS DAKIN</hi>, Knt., Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ANDREW LUSK</hi>, Bart., M.P., Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN</hi>, Knt., and Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">HENRY EDMUND KNIGHT</hi>, Knt., Aldermen of the said City; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS CHAMBERS</hi>, Knt., Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">REGINALD HANSON</hi>, Knt.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOSEPH SAVORY</hi>, Esq.,
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-1" type="given" value="EDWARD JAMES"/>EDWARD JAMES GRAY</persName> </hi>, Esq.,
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-2" type="given" value="DAVID"/>DAVID EVANS</persName> </hi>, Esq., and
<hi rend="smallCaps">PHINEAS COWAN</hi>, Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM THOMAS CHARLEY</hi>, Knt., Q.C., D.C.L., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</hi>, Esq., LL.D., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court: Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JAMES WHITEHEAD</hi>, Esq., Alderman,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GEORGE FAUDELL PHILLIPS</hi>, Esq.,</p>
<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">HENRY HOMEWOOD CRAWFORD</hi>, Esq.,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">FREDERICK KYNASTON METCALFE</hi>, Esq.,</p>
<hi rend="italic">Under-Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">EIGHTH SESSION OF 1884-5</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">FOWLER MAYOR, SECOND MAYORALTY</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody</hi>—two stars (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, May</hi> 18
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GORDON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted;</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COSTELLOE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Defended.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-4" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE AYLWARD</persName> </hi>. I am master of Kensington Workhouse; I reside there—on 4th March I was aroused about 4 a.m. by a man calling out "Fire" above me—I went up to where the fire was in a water-closet which was used as a store-room for counterpanes, &c.; about 12 or 13 counterpanes were there—the damage was about 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the woodwork was much burnt, and the fire had got a good firm hold—the prisoner has been an occasional inmate 13 or 14 years; he would be away for five or six months, and then turn up again—he is quite right in his mind so far as I can judge—the counterpanes were all ablaze when I got there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not know that the prisoner had been an inmate of the lunatic ward; I know it now but was astonished when I heard it—I reported the fire next morning to the Guardians in writing; I have not got it; in substance it was, "At 4.30 a.m. I was called up by a cry of Fire,' and found a man without shoes or stockings on vigorously applying the fire hose, and that we had had a narrow escape, for in 10 minutes the house would have been in a blaze"—I reported that it was accidental, as I could not come to any other conclusion—I have no other reason now for supposing it was not accidental except that the prisoner told me he did it—he took his discharge on Friday, 24th April, and gave himself up on the 26th.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I first heard he was in the lunatic ward a few days ago.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-5" type="given" value="EALES"/>EALES HAWKEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman A</hi> 473). I was on duty in Kensington Gardens on the afternoon of 26th April—the prisoner came to me and said, "I wish to give myself up, for I set fire to the Kensington Work
<lb/>house seven weeks ago, and I have had no sleep"—I said, "How did</p>
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<p>you do that?"—he said, "I got out of bed at 9 o clock in the evening, went up in the back room, and set fire to a counterpane"—I said, "Why did you do that?"—he replied, "I have been treated badly, and called by the inmates a German pauper, and told to go back to my own country, and I thought I would burn them"—I took him to the station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He said if I inquired I should find it was right—he did not seem excited, just the same as he is now, I thick he is worse now if any different—it was about 5 o'clock when he came to me—it was not singular, we see plenty in Hyde Park who have had no sleep.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-6" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS VILE</persName> </hi>. I am labour master at Kensington Union—on 6th March I cautioned the prisoner for being in a place where he ought not, and I ordered him away—he said, "There has been one little fire, two little fires, but the next one will be a big one"—I reported that to the master at 9 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had known the prisoner about 12 months—I was not aware that he had been in the lunatic ward; he was handed over to the infirmary as a patient—I did not know of his trying to cut his throat—I have not heard paupers talk about or threaten fires; that was the only one, and as a matter of duty I reported it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-7" type="given" value="HENRY PERCY"/>HENRY PERCY POTTER</persName> </hi>. I am medical superintendent of the infirmary and medical officer of the workhouse—I have been there four years; during that time the prisoner has been under my care, I cannot say how often—it was for weakness and debility on one or two occasions—on Wednesday, 22nd December last, he was brought over to me from the workhouse in an excited condition—he had several delusions; he fancied the nurses were in love with him, or that he was in love with them; he never came across them—he refused his food whilst in the infirmary, saying it was poisoned; that is evidence of acute insanity—the attack in December lasted two or three days—he left the infirmary on 9th January—he is a peculiar kind of man, and from a medical point of view not right in his appearance; he is erratic—he is not always insane—his mind is somewhat disordered; he is an eccentric man, and liable to attacks from time to time—he was very sleepless.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> His delusions lasted while he was in the infirmary—we put him in the lunatic ward—he had no delusion when he went out; he was a fairly responsible person when he went out, and would know what he was about, and whether he was doing right or wrong.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> He was not bad enough to be sent to the county asylum—at the workhouse he would be taken care of before any accident happened.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-8" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN DUFFIELD</persName> </hi>. I am the lunatic attendant at the Kensington Infirmary—the prisoner has been more than once under my care—I remember the attack spoken of; he had one before that—I have been at the infirmary about 18 months—the prisoner has had attacks within 12 months—he was under the delusion that his food was poisoned—the attacks would last four or five hours at a time, then he would cool down, and it would come on again twice in the day for a few days, and then go off all right again; the attacks were intermittent—I have had a number of insane patients—he could not sleep well, and was rather restless at night—I understood he was suicidal and had made an attempt; he was not committed to my charge as suicidal, but as necessary to be under</p>
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<p>observation—I regarded him as a man who might do something very dangerous if not watched.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He was dangerous when he had his attacks—at one time I considered him dangerous enough to be sent to an asylum, but it wore off—that is the case sometimes—when discharged, to all appearance he was in his proper mind.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, May</hi> 18
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-10" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH YOUNG</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Joseph Young—on 29th April I was attending at the Spread Eagle, Broad Street, and served a man with two half-pints of ale; he called in the prisoner, who was standing at the door, they drank the ale, and the first man paid with a shilling—he asked me to but two dozen quart bottles—I put it in the till, where there was only one other shilling, a very plain one, which I had just taken—the prisoner then called for two half-pints, and paid with a shilling—I said "Are you aware this is bad?"—he said "No"—I looked in the till and found that the other was bad—I sent for a policeman, and said to the prisoner "Have you any more?"—he said "What the b—h—do you mean?"—I said "I mean that if you have any more like this you have come to the wrong house"—the other man went out and did not return—I jumped over the counter, closed the door, and put my back against it for 10 minutes, till a policeman came—I gave the two bad coins to him—I bent this one with my teeth.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I told the other man I did not require the bottles he said "Give me two half-pints of ale." and then you came to the door and said "Won't they have them?"—I presumed he meant the bottles—the plain shilling in the till was good.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. I never saw the bottles, or any basket or barrow.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-11" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE HUNTLEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 412). I was called to the Spread Eagle, and the prisoner was given into my custody—he made no reply to the charge—I searched him in the public-house and found on him this bad shilling and a good sixpence—I took him to the station—these two shillings were handed to me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-12" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am examiner of coins to Her Majesty's Mint—these coins are bad, and from different moulds—a goods coin cannot be crumpled up in this way by the teeth.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I got into company with a man who had some bottles. I had spent all my money but 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and as I had to ride home I sold him my muffler for 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. I did not know they were bad, but I found they were when I went to the public-house, but I never attempted to move.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-13" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH YOUNG</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). He threatened to put his wooden leg through me—no sample bottle was exhibited, and there was no barrow in the street.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-534-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-15" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM DOBSON</persName> </hi>. I keep the King and Princess of Wales, Brook Street, Piccadilly—on 27th April, about 5 p.m., I served the prisoner with some drink, which came to 1 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a half-crown, and I gave him two shillings and 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze—he laid the half-crown on the beer-engine and it slipped into a measure in which was some beer—I picked it out and gave him the change—after he was gone I found it was bad, and put it at the back of the bar—he came again at 7 p.m. for half a pint of ale, and tendered a penny—he then asked for a pipe—I refused to give him one, being short—he then asked for another half-pint of beer, and gave me a half-crown—I broke a piece out of it in a small snitch and told him it was bad—he said that it was paid to him in his wages—he wrote down his address, "Charles Brown, 13, Brompton Place, Knights
<lb/>bridge"—I gave him in custody, and followed to the station—I heard coin falling between some wire-work and a window at the back of 105, Piccadilly—I picked it up immediately—he kicked the policeman about his legs.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-16" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL HAY</persName> </hi>. I am groom at 108, Piccadilly—on 2nd April I was in Mr. Dodson's house, about 5 o'clock, and saw the prisoner come in—he asked for some beer, and paid with a half-crown, which slid over into a pewter pot—Mr. Dobson fetched me at 7 o'clock, and I followed to the station and saw the prisoner throw a half-crown from his left hand into Mr. Goldsmith's area, close to where I am in service—it fell into the wire grating which saves the window from being broken—Mr. Dodson picked it up, this is it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-17" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN GILKS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 370). On April 27th Mr. Dodson gave the prisoner into my custody—I searched him and found two shillings, a sixpence, and eight pence, all good—going to the station I saw him drop a half-crown between the wire netting and the window of 105, Piccadilly—I saw Mr. Dodson pick it up, and while he was doing so the prisoner attempted to kick his face, but I was holding him and prevented it—I called another constable, and the prisoner kicked him several times on his legs and tried to kick me—Mr. Dodson gave me these three coins—I marked one of them with a "3"—the prisoner gave his name Jacob Hyams—I asked him where he lived—he said "I shall not tell"—I said "You have just thrown the coin away"—he said "You did not see me throw it way"—I said "I did."</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-18" type="given" value="WILLIAM JOHN"/>WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are all bad, and the two uttered are from one mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had won 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in Petticoat Lane by a purse trick, and I won a bet on a horse called Fireball, and got paid six half
<lb/>crowns. The man who paid me that has too much reputation to give me bad money, and therefore I conclude that I got it in Petticoat Lane.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-26" type="given" value="STANLEY"/>STANLEY MARSH</persName> </hi>. I live at 3, Cuba Street—I am 15 years old—on Saturday night, 25th April, about 11 o'clock, I was standing at our door, and saw a man and woman; I did not know who they were—they went into No. 5—they were asking each other where they had been—they were not what I call quarrelling, they were talking rather sharp to each other—they went in and shut the door—about a minute or two afterwards I heard a little girl scream in the front room of No. 5, "Don't, father!"—shortly after the same man came out; he had his hands to his right side as he passed me—I heard a gurgling in his inside, and he was breathing rather hard—he went towards Mr. Wilson's surgery—about two minutes afterwards the prisoner came out of No. 5 crying—she went in to Mrs. Willatt's, No. 4, and I saw no more.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-27" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN WILLATTS</persName> </hi>. I am a widow, and live at 4, Cuba Street—on this night, about 11 o'clock, I heard Mr. and Mrs. Adams pass my door—they seemed to be talking to each other very mildly—they went indoors—about a minute or two after as I was in my front room ground-floor I heard them talking very loud, and I heard a rustling noise as if they were struggling—I did not hear what was said; I heard both their voices—I heard the child scream—about live minutes afterwards I heard the street door open and shut again, and a man's step, and about 10 minutes afterwards the prisoner came in to my house and showed me her face, and said, "Look at my face; look how he has beaten me, and then he knocked me down and kicked me"—her face was dreadfully swollen and bleeding—I persuaded her to go indoors and bathe her face—she left me and went into her house—a few minutes afterwards she sent for me—I went in—she said that some one had come for her to go to the doctor's to see him, he had broken a blood-vessel—I persuaded her to go—she said, "Can I go with my face like this?"—I said, "You had better go," and she went—I did not go with her; I stayed back to pacify the child.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-28" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN SCOTES</persName> </hi>. I live with my husband at 5, Cuba Street—the prisoner, her husband and child, lived there; no one else lived in the house—I and my husband were out that night—about half-past 10 I saw her husband standing looking up the street with his hand on the door-post—as far as I know he was sober—at a quarter to 12 o'clock I came home—I went in and saw the prisoner crying very bitterly—she said her husband had broken a blood-vessel, and she would be left—I saw that her face was very much injured; she had a black eye, and was disfigured—I think she was not quite sober—they were proprietors of the house, and we were their tenants.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-29" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY WILLOCKS</persName> </hi>. I am married, and live at 51, Mellish Street, Mill-wall—about 11 o'clock on this Saturday night I was in the Westferry Road—a man passed me bleeding from the mouth—I did not know him before—he was walking by himself—I saw him go to Mr. Wilson's—I saw him drop on the step, and he was taken in.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-30" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS ABBOTT</persName> </hi>. I live at 18, Charles Street, Westferry Road, Mill-wall—I am a butcher's assistant—on this Saturday night, about a quarter past 11 o'clock, I was standing at my master's shop—I saw a man s✗aggering along towards Mr. Wilson's surgery—I did not know him—I saw him fall down—I went to his assistance—I saw some blood on his mouth—he did not speak—he was taken in and attended to.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector K</hi>). About 12.30 on the morning of the 26th April I went to Mr. Wilson's surgery and there found Adams dead—I saw a wound on his right side, between the second and third ribs—from what I heard I went to 5, Cuba Street and saw the prisoner there in the front room with some of her neighbours—her head was bandaged, and her face was very much disfigured with bruises—the little girl Edith was in bed—I have a memorandum of what passed, which I made the same day—I was in plain clothes; I had a constable in uniform with me—I told her who I was—she told me she was Mrs. Adams—I asked her if she could throw any light on the affair—she said no—I said, "Tell me what you do know"—she then said, "I went out to do some shopping, and at about 20 minutes to 11 o'clock, on coming out of Mr. Lyons the corn dealer's shop, where I had called for my husband's collars that I had left on the counter, I saw my husband coming from the direc
<lb/>tion of the Torrington Arms—he came up to me and commenced to swear at me, but as I did not want to cause a commotion in the street I walked on first; on getting indoors he said, 'Where the b—h—have you been to?' I said, 'Only to get some steak for your supper.' He said, 'It's a b—lie,' and knocked me down in the room and kicked me, saying, 'Lie there, you b—s—.' He then went out, and I did not move for a moment or so, fearing he might come back, but I afterwards went into the street, where I saw Mrs. Gurney and Mrs. Willatts, and said to them, 'Look what he has done to me.' Some time after that some one came and told me that my husband had broken a blood-vessel, and was at Dr. Wilson's. I went round to see him, but could not get in, but I went round again and saw him." The child was awake at that time, and I asked her if she saw her father knock her mother down—she said, "Yes"—I said, "Did he do anything else?"—she said, "He kicked her, and then went out of the room"—I said, "Did you see your mother strike your father at all?"—she said, "No"—I asked the prisoner whether there was any one else in the house at the time she was assaulted other than herself, her husband and child—she said, "No"—I then searched the premises—I found blood on the oil-cloth and carpet in the same room, and two or three spots in the passage leading to the front door—the blood in each case had the appearance of having dropped from some one's face or nose; it was not in a pool—in a table-drawer in the adjoining kitchen I found a knife and two forks; the knife had an old smear of blood on the handle—I also found a larger knife on the dresser without blood; I produce them both—I found two collars on the table in the front room—I found a trace of blood from the street door to Mr. Wilson's surgery, a distance of 350 yards—I went back and took the prisoner to the station—I told her she would be charged on suspicion of causing the death of her husband, William Adams, by stabbing him in the chest—she made no reply—she was wearing an ulster, on the right breast of which I saw some blood; she said it had come from her nose—she had a cut on the temple, and her nose had bled—I did not see her for two or three hours after the occurrence—she said the blood in the house also came from her nose.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-32" type="given" value="HENRY CLARK"/>HENRY CLARK WILSON</persName> </hi>. I am a registered medical practitioner, and have a surgery at 44, Westferry Road, Mill wall—on Saturday night, 25th April, William Adams was brought there in a state of collapse; he could not speak—he was wounded on the right side of the chest between the second and third ribs; it was a stab going through his waistcoat and</p>
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<p>two shirts; frothy blood was oozing out of the wound—he died within about 25 minutes—I made a post-mortem examination—the wound was a punctured one, penetrating the lungs for an inch and a quarter—there was a quantity of blood, it had flowed into the windpipe—he died from suffocation and fainting, from the effects of the stab—in my judgment the knife found on the dresser could not have produced the injury, it is broader than the length of the wound—the knife taken from the drawer would be more likely to produce it; on measurement it corresponded with the wound in the waistcoat and also with the wound in the chest; in my judgment that knife could have caused it—I think great violence must have been used in inflicting the blow—I examined the man's clothes, they were soaked in blood—I did not examine the pockets to see whether he had a knife—from the position of the wound I could not say whether it was self-inflicted or not—it is possible that he might have done it himself—if he was a left-handed man the blow could be struck with greater violence—I saw the prisoner; I did not dress her wounds; I saw that she was considerably bruised.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-33" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM ADAMS</persName> </hi>. I live at 2, Canal Cottages, Gravesend—the deceased was my son; he was 33 years old—he was a left-handed man from his birth—he was not married to the prisoner, they had lived together nine or ten years.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-34" type="given" value="COURTNEY THOMAS"/>COURTNEY THOMAS CHIVERS</persName> </hi>. I am the Coroner's officer—I saw the body of William Adams and his clothes at the mortuary—I examined the clothes, there was no knife in the pockets.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-35" type="given" value="EDITH"/>EDITH ADAMS</persName> </hi>. I am 8 years old, and lived at 8, Cuba Street with my father and mother—I was in bed and asleep on this Saturday night; I was awoke by their fighting—mother did not do anything to father, he knocked her down and kicked her—I saw father go out, I do not know whether there was anything the matter with him—he did not go into the kitchen, mother did, to take her hat in.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner in her defence denied having used any weapon, and alleged that her husband, when in drink, was very excitable.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday and Tuesday, May</hi> 18
<hi rend="italic">th and</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. GRAIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted;</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-40" type="given" value="WILLIAM HENRY"/>WILLIAM HENRY TUCKEY</persName> </hi>. I am parcels porter at Euston Station, in the service of the London and North-Western Railway Company—on 21st December, about 6 o'clock, I was on duty at the station booking parcels for the Scotch mail—a train goes out at 6.30—Hill came up to me at 6 o'clock and showed me a parcel, and said he wanted me to insure it for 550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he did not give me his name—it was an ordinary square parcel about the size of a small cigar box—I cannot tell whether I took it in my hand—I took it round to the clerk on duty, Mr. Whitewood; it passed out of my hands into his.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-41" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER WHITEWOOD</persName> </hi>. I am parcels clerk at Euston Station, and was on duty on 21st December, 1883—I recollect the prisoner Hill being brought to my office by Tuckey—Hill had a parcel which he said he wanted me to insure for 550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I told him the price would be 33s.—he disputed the charge, saying he had brought a parcel previously and had not paid so much per hundred for it, having the same contents in it—after some discussion he paid it, and said he wanted it to go by the 6.30 mail train to Dublin—the length was about five or six inches—I weighed it, and it weighed under a pound—anything under a pound is put down as a pound—I entered it in this book, and he signed the name of "Thomas Hill"—I wrote the address, Wood's Hotel, Drummond Street—I handed it to another clerk, Waite.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He must have mentioned the 6.30 train—I said before the Magistrate that he wanted it to go by the first train possible, and that I mentioned the 6.30—I am not sure that he mentioned the 6.30—that was the first train.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-42" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD WAITE</persName> </hi>. I am claims clerk at Euston Station—on December 21st, 1883, Whitewood brought me a parcel consigned to Webb, of Dublin, insured for 550
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-43" type="given" value="ROBERT STANLEY AUGUSTUS"/>ROBERT STANLEY AUGUSTUS BROCKWAY</persName> </hi>. I have been a guard on the North-Western about 32 years, and worked the 6.30 train out from Euston to Holy head on 21st December, 1883—before the train went out one of the clerks brought me an insured parcel addressed to Webb, Dublin—I signed for it and put it on the seat in the van, and when the train left put it in my locker and locked it up—the train stopped at Chester, and the parcel was safe locked up there when we left—as we were running into Holy head I unlocked the locker and took out the parcel, which was the only one I had for Dublin—I got out when the train stopped at 3 a.m. (the train was an hour late) with the parcel in my hand, and went towards the gangway of the steamer—in consequence of the crowd I came back to the van with the parcel, and put it on the seat—I got on the platform; a man spoke to me about a dog—I went a few yards from my van, got the dog out, then a lady spoke to me, and I was absent from my van from the time I put the parcel on the seat to the time I got back again, about two minutes—I saw the book with which I had covered the parcel, and thought the parcel was right—I went to the other end of the van, and assisted in getting one or two boxes out—soon after I looked for the parcel, it was gone—I communi
<lb/>cated at once with the station-master and other officials there—we looked everywhere unsuccessfully for it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. A straw-coloured label was pasted on it as an insured packet, so that anybody who knew the custom of the Company would know by seeing the label on it it was an insured packet—there were a great many persons on the platform—the train was in about an hour before the boat started I think—my book could be seen from the platform, but I believe the parcel could not. (
<hi rend="italic">The witness before the Magistrate had said "It could not be reached from it, you could see it from the platform.</hi>") My impression is I said they could not see it; the book covered it up—I should say over 300 passengers got out of the train, and there would be sailors and men to carry the luggage on board—I</p>
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<p>said "There was plenty of time while I was getting out the bag for any
<lb/>body to take the parcel."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. When the train runs in, people make for the gangway to get on board directly, and they clear off the platform directly—servants and others come to and fro to take the luggage off—the principal part of the passengers were walking towards the gangway when I went towards it—I carried the parcel in my hand, so that it could be seen by everybody—I stood a minute or two at the gangway to see if I could get on board; I could not, and when I came back very near all the passengers were at the gangway which leads off from the middle of the platform—I put the parcel underneath my book—it is correct what I said before the Magistrate that I never saw either of the prisoners in my life before to my knowledge.</p>
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<persName id="t18850518-name-44" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-44" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-44" type="surname" value="TIMBS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-44" type="given" value="CHARLES GEORGE"/>CHARLES GEORGE TIMBS</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the affidavits department of the High Court of Justice—I produce this affidavit sworn in the action of Hill against the London and North-Western Railway Company by Thomas Hill.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-45" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-45" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-45" type="surname" value="SUMNER"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-45" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD SUMNER</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor and commissioner to administer oaths—this affidavit was sworn before me—I took no notice of the person who swore it; I do not think I saw him write his name.</p>
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<persName id="t18850518-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-46" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-46" type="surname" value="WEBB"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-46" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE WEBB</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner Webb's daughter—in the week pre
<lb/>ceding Christmas, 1883, I was and had been for some time engaged as dress
<lb/>maker at 28, Wigmore Street, Cavendish Square—my father called on me there on the Wednesday or Thursday in the week before Christmas to see me about going home for the Christmas holidays—I had a younger sister at school at Balham, and it was arranged she and I should go home to Dublin on the Friday before Christmas by the 6.30 from Euston, and our father was to meet us at Chester—on Thursday, the 20th, I and my sister stopped at Wood's Hotel, Drummond Street, where we had been several times before with our father—we went by the 6.30; our father met us at Chester—I had known Hill about two or three years, or not quite so much, by that name—I had generally seen him in Dublin, at my father's house—about a fortnight before Christmas, 1883, I remember his calling on me in Wigmore Street—when I got to Holyhead I got out with my father and sister.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I was an under hand at the establish
<lb/>ment of Goodrich and Inglis, Wigmore Street, and had been there 18 months or more—my sister was then between 13 and 14—there are six besides myself in our family—my father gave us the money to go home with—only I and my sister travelled to Chester—we went third class—at Chester my father came into the same carriage with me, and he was in my sight from that moment till the time of the vessel leaving Holy head—he was never out of my sight for one moment, and my little sister also—on board the boat, owing to the crowd of passengers, our tickets were taken for the saloon in place of third-class—I saw my father take the tickets, and moved from one part of the boat to the other with him—I think on 2nd April this year the prosecution asked me to be a witness against my father I was in Liverpool then, and I think Mr. Richards first saw me about it—I told him all I knew, and when I came to London Mr. Coppin and Mr. Penson met me and took my evidence—I think they were the only two—my father was in the habit of attending auction sales and pur
<lb/>chasing and selling goods of that kind—I have seen the goods my father</p>
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<p>has bought—I have seen from the invoices that rings and things with precious stones in them were things in which my father dealt, and loose stones of all descriptions—his dealing in that way has been going on for as long as I can remember, it is nothing new—I have known him going about to different places to buy and sell such articles as these to make a profit by it—I knew before that Hill did business with my father but not in what way—I knew of invoices coming over by post, and sometimes my father would manage to purchase at sales without any invoice at all—my father owns two or three houses at Birmingham.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I don't know if my father had to pay for the saloon tickets.</p>
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<persName id="t18850518-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-47" type="surname" value="HYDE"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-47" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS HYDE</persName> </hi>. I am employed in the office of the superintendent of the London and North-Western Line—on 27th December, 1883, Hill was brought there, and I took him to Mr. Coppin's office, the superintendent of police—I was present at the interview between him and Mr. Coppin—on 21st January, 1884, Hill came again about the lost parcel, and pro
<lb/>duced three pieces of paper, which I took copies of in his presence—this is the copy I made, they profess to be receipts for goods purchased from Tapiey, and amounting altogether to over 600—I handed the originals back to Hill—he took them—he called over the originals to me, and I checked the copy—it is correct—three or four days afterwards, on 25th, Hill came again, and I took him to Mr. Mason, the company's solicitor—I produced to Mr. Mason, in Hill's presence, this copy—a conversation took place between Hill and Mason with reference to the items—these red marks were then made by Mr. Mason, who then took down another list from Hill's mouth; that is attached.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. These red-ink marks were all made by Mr. Mason, stating that some things were and that some were not in the parcel.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-48" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-48" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-48" type="surname" value="COPPIN"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-48" type="given" value="ELIJAH"/>ELIJAH COPPIN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Superintendent, London and North-Western Railway Police</hi>). I heard of the loss of this parcel on 22nd December, 1883, and received instructions to investigate the matter, and I had three inter
<lb/>views with Hill on 27th and 29th December and 1st January—on the 27th December he was brought into my office at Euston—I said "You are Mr. Hill, I believe"—he said "Yes"—I said "You sent a parcel to Webb of Dublin on the 21st of this month insured for 550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—he said "Yes"—I said "This is the 27th, and we have had no complaint from you"—he said "I found a letter at Wood's Hotel stating it had not been delivered"—I said "Who is Mr. Webb?"—he said "He resides at 134, Lower Gloucester Street, Dublin; I have known him some time; we have carried on business in the jewellery and hardware"—I said "Where are you living?"—he said "No. 12, St. Ann's Place, Brixton Road"—I said "I find you stayed at Wood's Hotel on the night of the 20th"—he said "Yes"—I said "It is strange that you should have stayed there, seeing that you have a wife in lodgings at Brixton"—he said "I don't know how that happened"—I said "This is a very impor
<lb/>tant matter, and I want you to give me all the assistance you can; I presume you have a statement of the contents of the parcel?"—he said "No, I have not; I don't keep any books, but I dare say I can get you a statement"—he left my office—about 10 or 15 minutes afterwards I saw him come out of Wood's Hotel—he was called up into Inspector Pearson's office, which is immediately opposite Wood's Hotel—he there handed me</p>
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<p>this list—the ink was quite wet at the time. (
<hi rend="italic">This included rings and various articles of jewellery to the amount of 561l.</hi>) I said "This is not what I really require; I want a thorough description of the whole contents, in order that it may be properly circulated among the pawnbrokers"—he said "I will endeavour to get you some further information, and will see you again"—he came on the 29th, and brought with him this list. (
<hi rend="italic">This was a list of rings with their descriptions.</hi>) I said "This is all very well so far as it goes, but it does not give the information that I require; I have received instructions from the Company to have bills printed offering a reward, and I shall require the private marks on the inside of the rings"—he said "There are no private marks"—Mr. Pearson made some observation as to the rings, and I said "Here are some rings of very great value, and they would certainly bear the private marks of the makers"—he said "I had them specially made without marks"—Mr. Pearson said "Oh, it is nonsense; rings of that sort would have the private marks of the maker"—I asked him two or three times over, but could get no further particulars from him—I said "Have you the invoices with you?"—he said "No; but I dare say I can produce them at the proper time"—I said "Well, you will know where you got the goods from?"—he said "Well, some are what I have had by me for some time, but the bulk of it is new; it is made in Birmingham and Clerkenwell"—I said "Will you give me the names of the manufacturers of it?"—he said "No, I don't see why I should"—I said "What were you going to do with the goods, as Dublin is the last place in the world to dispose of such goods as these?"—he said "Webb was going to put them up at auction sales, then we get a respectable man in the trade to bid for them; the public are thus led to believe they are very valuable, and we get more than they are worth, but the game has been played out there now, and I have returned to England"—he had said that he had lived at 3, Hanken Street, Dublin, prior to removing to St. Ann's Place—I said "It is very important you should tell me whether any one was present when you packed the jewellery that you were sending off, as thieves may have followed and stolen it in transit"—he said "That can
<lb/>not be, as no one knew I had the goods; my wife may have been about the room at the time I packed them, but she did not see me do it; I don't leave my goods about;" and he opened his waistcoat and pointed to a small pocket inside and said "That is where I keep them"—he said they were in a cigar box when he sent them from Euston—I saw him again on 1st June, but we could elicit nothing further—after that I received instructions to watch Hill, and gave my sub
<lb/>ordinates, Pearson and others, instructions to do so, and I also gave instructions for Webb to be seen in Dublin—I was present in the High Court on 25th and 26th February, 1885, when the case of Hill
<hi rend="italic">v.</hi> the London and North-Western Railway Company was in the list—I saw nothing of Hill on either day, and they searched all the neighbourhood and in the courts and could not find any traces of him on either day—I know Tatley by name only—I have been to the address given on the list, 42, Coborn Road, Bow, since the action was commenced—I have not seen Hill there—I have not been able to find Mr. Tapley there or any trace of him, though I made every possible search and inquiry at his address and other places for him—the last trace we could find was the day after warrants were applied for for the prisoners' appre
<lb/>hension—when the action was called on judgment was taken for the</p>
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<p>company—Webb was brought up as a witness—after the case was over on 26th application was made at Bow Street before Sir James Ingham for warrants against Hill and Webb and a woman, Jane Dayus, for whom every search has been made, but who has not been found—on 14th March I received a telegram and went to Hackney Police-station, where I saw Hill in custody—I said "Good morning, Hill"—he said "My name is not Hill, my name is Wood"—I said "You remember me?"—after a moment or so he said "Yes, of course I do"—I got into a cab with him—I said "Do you know that man Lowe standing outside there?" pointing to a man standing outside—he said "No, I never saw him before in my life"—I said "Why you know him very well"—he said "Yes"—he then made use of bad language—in the cab he said "How many are you going to prosecute?"—I said "Two or three"—he said "Who are they?"—I said "I will tell you if you name them"—he said "Is he one of them that I said I had some of the stuff from?" I said "You mean Tapley; no, at this moment he is not in custody; I saw Webb the other day"—he said "Where?"—I said "We brought him up as a witness the other day in your case against the Company"—he said "He cannot say anything about it; he can only say he did not receive the parcel; you admit you had it and lost it"—I said "Yes, and you had it twice"—he made no answer—I said "Webb was also staying at the hotel about the time this parcel was sent off"—he said "I think it was a little before that"—I said "He also used to stay at Euston Grove?"—he said "Yes, sometimes"—that is close to Drummond Street—I think that is all the conversation—that is all I remember of it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. I have been a detective for some years—I have heard it is a common custom with dealers in diamonds and precious stones to have pockets inside the waistcoat for the purpose of carrying the stones—I don't know it—I made some notes of the conver
<lb/>sations; Pearson made notes—I said before the Magistrate that he said, "How many are you going to prosecute?" not "How many more?"—that is quite correct—he did not say that he understood Tapley had had some goods on approbation and had not paid for them; I certainly mean that—I took no note of what he said—I said, "I saw Webb the other day"—he said, "Where?"—I said, "He was up on your action against the Company"—he said, "What for?"—I said, "As I understood, against you on behalf of the Company," and then he said, "He cannot give any evidence, he can simply prove he did not have the parcel; you had the parcel, and lost it."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I should observe the same rules as the other metropolitan police officers—I believe Webb's name had been men
<lb/>tioned before; I cannot remember how it was—I did not suggest to Hill's mind that Webb had made a statement implicating Hill, and that he was there to be a witness against Hill—I said he had made a statement to our solicitor—I did not introduce it to raise his anger against Webb and get him to make a statement against him; I did not hope he would—I had seen a statement; I did not hear it; it is the same as Richards deposed to before the Magistrate—I said Webb had made a statement; I did not say it was a statement against him; I said he was called to give evidence on behalf of the Company—I knew there was not a syllable in any statement by Webb implicating Hill in any way.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> At that time a warrant was out against Webb, and he was in custody—I told Hill that Webb had been examined by the solici
<lb/>tor to the Company, and was going to be examined on behalf of the Company.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-49" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-49" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-49" type="surname" value="PENSON"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-49" type="given" value="WILLIAM COLLINS"/>WILLIAM COLLINS PENSON</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to the superintendent of the North-Western—it is my duty to inquire into claims made for lost parcels—I was present on 29th December, 1883, when Coppin had an interview with Hill; I heard all that was said by both persons.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> December 29th is the only date on which I was pre
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-50" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-50" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-50" type="surname" value="PEARSON"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-50" type="given" value="JAMES HENRY"/>JAMES HENRY PEARSON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Chief Inspector, L. & N. W. Railway</hi>). On 19th December, 1883, I saw the two prisoners together at Wood's Hotel, which my office at Euston overlooks; they came out together—I had seen them before together at the same place going in and out—I knew Webb's name, but Hill I did not know—on 23rd December I received informa
<lb/>tion as to the loss, and instructions from Coppin to make inquiries—on 27th and 29th December, and 1st January, I was present at the inter
<lb/>views between Hill and Coppin; afterwards I heard of the action brought by Hill against the Company, and received instructions, and watched 12, St. Ann's Place, Brixton, the address Hill had given to Coppin—I saw Hill leave that house—I took a note of the different days I watched there—I saw him leave there altogether, with a woman, and I saw the landlady, and inspected the house—it was a respectable double-house, kept by Mrs. Plush—I have followed Hill—he would take the omnibus or tram and alight at the Elephant and Castle, and various times I have seen him going into Richardson's, a draper's shop—from there I have traced him to Bishopsgate Street, and from there to Bow, 42. Coborn Road, Tapley's address given on the invoices—I have seen him come out of there with Tapley and go into a public-house, and then Tapley returned to his house, and Hill went to the Coborn Road Station and came to London—I only saw that once; I have seen him go to Liverpool Street Station several times—I have watched him for a long time—I watched 15, Graveney Terrace, Graveney Road, Lower Tooting where I saw Hill and the same woman—I saw him doing no business at either of those places—the house at Lower Tooting was a very small one—I last saw Hill on 14th November, 1884—after that I was looking for him till the time of his apprehension—I could not see or hear of him—I was at the Royal Courts on 25th and 26th February—I went to Hackney Police
<lb/>station on 12th March.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. Wood's Hotel is a temperance hotel—I have seen Webb going in and out there for many years; I have seen him there several times with Hill—the last time I saw him and Hill was 18th or 19th December, 1883; I was in my office looking out of window.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-51" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-51" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-51" type="surname" value="RICHARDS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-51" type="given" value="EDMUND"/>EDMUND RICHARDS</persName> </hi>. I am detective inspector of the London and North-Western Railway Company at Liverpool—after Christmas, 1883, I received information of the loss of the parcel, and at the same time instructions to go to Dublin—I arrived in Dublin on the morning of 28th December, and went to Webb's house, Lower Gloucester Street—I told him what I was and said, "Mr. Webb, have you received that parcel yet sent you from Euston on the 21st of this month"—he said, "No, I have not"—I said, "Who was the sender?"—he said, "Mr. Hill"—I said, "What did it contain?"—he said, "Jewellery, gold rings,</p>
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<p>with some diamonds"—I said, "Can you show me the invoice which you received from the sender?"—he said, "No, I have not received one, and I cannot tell exactly what was in the parcel, but Mr. Hill will be able to tell you"—I said, "Can you show me a list of what you ordered from him?"—he said, "No, I was in London a few days before and saw Mr. Hill, he told me he was going to send me some rings, how many and what sort he did not say"—I said, "How do you dispose of these goods?"—he said, "I attend sales in the city here, and I have done business with a Mr. Dillon, auction rooms, and Munkasy, also with a Mr. Perceval, a jeweller in the city. I have not received a parcel, I cannot tell you anything about it. I have been laid about a fort
<lb/>night, I can scarcely walk now"—in consequence of what he told me I made inquiries in Dublin about Mr. Dillon, and went to Mr. Perceval—on ✗th January, 1884, I again saw Webb in Dublin as I was leaving the auction rooms—I said, "Mr. Webb, I find you received an insured parcel from London on 8th December; it was insured for 550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., can you tell me what that parcel contained?"—he said, "No, I shall not answer any more questions; Mr. Hill is the man you should question, I have nothing to do with insured parcels or the Company"—I told him I had been in Dillon's and Perceval's rooms, but he would not listen and walked away, and would not give any more information—I went to 3, Hanken Road, Dublin; it is a common lodging-house—I made inquiries at every auction room I could find in Dublin with reference to Hill and Webb—I saw Webb in Liverpool on 26th July, 1884, in Kirk
<lb/>dale Prison—I saw him at the station on 24th July, I did not speak to him; I spoke to him on 26th July.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. Webb only once said that Hill was the Only person who could give information concerning the parcel—I have never before said anything about Kirkdale Gaol—it was not suggested to me that I should mention it, the question was put to me where I saw him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-52" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-52" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-52" type="surname" value="COOPER"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-52" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM COOPER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Police Inspector, Birmingham</hi>). I have known Hill as Thomas Harrison for 12 or 13 years, at Birmingham first—I have known Webb at Birmingham about 15 years by the names of John Carpenter and John Dekin—I have seen them in Birmingham together—when I knew Hill first he was a cabinet-maker in partnership with John Mowlem—Webb carried on no business—I have known Jane Dayus more than 20 years; she and Hill have lived together for the last 12 or 13 years on and off.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. They lived together as man and wife at times—her husband was a convict.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I should think it was three or four years since I saw Webb until I saw him last summer, and I have not seen Harrison during the whole of that time.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-53" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-53" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-53" type="surname" value="LOWE"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-53" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES LOWE</persName> </hi>. I am a fishmonger, and live at 16, Mold Street, Bir
<lb/>mingham—I have known Hill by the name of Harrison for 16 years, and Webb about seven years—Hill was a journeyman cabinet-maker when I knew him, and Webb, I believe, was walking about the streets—I know Jane Dayus; I do not know where she is—her maiden name was Jenny Gostin—she lived with Hill—she married a man named Dayus—in February, 1884, I was with him in the Watch house public-house, West
<lb/>minster Bridge Road; we met Jane Dayus. (
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected to </hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">the conversation between the witness and Jane Dayus being given in evidence, as the woman was not on her trial.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRAIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that as she was charged in the indictment the evidence was admissible.</hi> The
<hi rend="smallCaps">RECORDER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">ruled that sufficient foundation had not been laid for at for him to receive it.</hi>) I last saw Hill in London on 11th March this year—I said, "Harrison, you know me now?"—he said, "I do not"—I said, "You have had a good innings of swindling; I apprehend you for conspiracy on the London and North-Western, or whatever you like to call it."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. I was born before marriage, and I married in my mother's maiden name of Thornaby, and I followed my occupation in my father's name of Lowe; I always had the name of Lowe except for the few minutes when I was being married, and then I was Thornaby—I have been a fishmonger about six years, and keep a shop at 16, Mold Street, Birmingham; I sell fish there—my wife's name is Ann—I keep no other house whatever at Birmingham—a charge was made against me about some cloth that was lost in a house where I was—Dayus occupied that house, the sister of the man I was walking with, not the woman who lived with Hill; she was not a married woman—I was proved afterwards to be an honest man—that house was not a brothel to my knowledge; I visited there, but did not live there; I won't swear whether it was a brothel or not—I said before the Magistrate that I told the prisoner he had had a good innings of swindling—my deposition was read over to me and I signed it. (
<hi rend="italic">The words did not appear in the deposition.</hi>) I said it, but it was not heard—those words must have been omitted, I must have missed it from the statement—I did not call the Magistrates attention to the omission because I did not think it was anything important.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I swear I swore those words—it is true that "All I know of Webb is what I have heard from somebody else. I knew Webb in Birmingham. I saw him there. I never spoke to him. I have never seen him and Hill together."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I used that expression at Bow Street whether it was taken down or not.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. When I said I would take him in custody there were two constables there; I should not know which two if I saw them.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-54" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-54" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-54" type="surname" value="GRANT"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-54" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE GRANT</persName> </hi>. I live at 72, St. John's Road, Hoxton, and am a jobbing watch maker—I have known Hill and Webb close on four years; they have been together to my shop and brought me different jobs to repair, watches and jewellery—Hill called at my place and told me he had sent off a registered parcel with a lot of goods in it and it was missing, and that some of the goods in the parcel I had sold him, that the goods were worth close on 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l.;</hi> that he was going to have an action against them and I should very likely be subpoenaed to prove I had sold him three rings he put me in mind of a large single stone ring he had given 17
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for six months previously, and a half hoop I had sold him eight months previous, and a small three-stoned gipsy—I keep books; these were not entered because they were taken in exchange for other things—Webb was not there on that occasion—I have seen Tapley in sale rooms, I know him by sight—I was not subpoenaed for the trial—four months ago I asked Hill how he was getting on with the trial—he said he was not going on with it because one of his partners, Webb, had got into trouble, he was going to wait until he came out—perhaps he</p>
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<p>called him by his Christian name John as well, or perhaps he called him
<hi rend="italic">Jack.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I know Tapley as a dealer at sales in jewellery, I have changed things with him—it is a common thing in the trade to make up second-hand stones—it is a common thing for people who attend sales and people in the stone trade to have no place of business.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. Webb never informed me of bargains with Hill that I remember—I have been told Hill has bought at sale rooms, and I have known people that sold him goods—perhaps in 1883 I saw Webb five times—I knew he lived in Dublin, and that when he came over he came from Dublin and was taking things back.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. I have seen Hill at different times in the posses
<lb/>sion of rings and stones to the amount of several hundred pounds.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I have seen him many times in 1880-82-83 at my place, he showed me them—he carried them in a pocket book, and I bought one stone of him for 44
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-55" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-55" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-55" type="surname" value="ORAM"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-55" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD ORAM</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the writ department, High Court of Justice—I produce the filed copy of a writ in the case of Hill against the North-Western, the statement of claim, and the judgment, which was in favour of the Company—I have the statement of defence, and practically the whole of the documents.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. This is the record of the case that was called on, and the only one; it is the only one I produced, sealed with the seal of the Court of Record.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> This is the amended statement of defence, it had not been lodged when I gave evidence before the Magistrate—I produce it to-day as part of the proceedings.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-56" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-56" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-56" type="surname" value="PLUSH"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-56" type="given" value="ANN"/>ANN PLUSH</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Robert Plush, of St. Ann's Place Brixton—just before Christmas, 1883, I had apartments to let in my house—a woman giving the name of Mrs. Hill called to look at them, and about an hour after she came back with Hill, and took two furnished rooms at 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week with no attendance—he said he was an agent for Birmingham goods, and gave as a reference Fraser, coffee shop, Black
<lb/>friars Road—they stopped about five months, and then I gave them notice to leave.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-57" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-57" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-57" type="surname" value="BUCKLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-57" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA BUCKLEY</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Richard Buckley, of 87, Tradescar Road, South Lambeth—in May, 1884, a woman took apartments in our house, and Hill came afterwards—they brought a tin box and portman
<lb/>teau and a few other things—they carried on no business there—they stayed about nine weeks, and left in July—I gave them notice—they paid 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-58" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-58" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-58" type="surname" value="SMALL"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-58" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE SMALL</persName> </hi>. I live at Alderman Road, Biggin Hill—in June, 1884, Hill came to me bringing Thomas Gordon's rent-book with him—I had let premises in Alderbrook Road, Balham, to Thomas Gordon—Hill paid the rent—I receipted the book and gave it to him back—I had received a reference to Fraser, coffee shop, Blackfriars Road—Gordon continued from 26th March to 6th September, 1884—I could not say if Hill had the house or not—all the rent I received was brought by Hill—I had a month's rent in advance before I saw him—I received complaints from the neighbours about the house, and spoke to Hill the next time he came, addressing him by the name of Gordon: (I did not know the name of Hill till I saw him at Bow Street)—he said his name was not Gordon—I said</p>
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<p>"Then if your name is not Gordon, what have you to do with the house?"—he said Mr. Gordon had gone to the Continent some time before, and he had taken part of the house and was occupying it with him—after that the key was arranged to be given up—I went to the house with Hill—there was no furniture of any consequence there—I examined the premises.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-59" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-59" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-59" type="surname" value="SMITHMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-59" type="given" value="ANN"/>ANN SMITHMAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 47, Elderfield Road, Clapton—on 3rd February a woman came and took the first floor front and back rooms in my house, and on 4th February Hill came there and asked if his wife was there—I said yes, the first floor over the stairs—that was about six weeks before he was taken in custody—they lodged in my house until he was taken—I did not see the woman after 6 o'clock the night Hill was taken.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-60" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-60" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-60" type="surname" value="LANGRISH"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-60" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN LANGRISH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Inspector E</hi>). I received these warrants for the prisoners apprehension and the woman's, and received a communication that Hill was in custody at Hackney Police-station—I went there with Coppin, and afterwards I went to the last witness's house—the woman was not there—I have not been able to find her anywhere—at Smithson's I took charge of two portmanteaus and a small writing desk—this black book was in the front room on the top of the cupboard, in the room pointed out to me as having been occupied by Hill and the woman—I found a small saw in the portmanteau and a centre-bit among other things, and a 100 franc note, and a diamond ring with one stone deficient—that was all I found of value—I searched Hill—I only found this ring of any value on him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-61" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-61" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-61" type="surname" value="BIRCH"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-61" type="given" value="JOSEPH ISAAC"/>JOSEPH ISAAC BIRCH</persName> </hi>. I am manager to Messrs. Wontner and Sons, solicitors, of St. Paul's Chambers, Ludgate Hill—Hill came to our firm about February, 1884, and gave us some instructions about bringing an action against the London and North-Western Railway Company—the case was set down for trial, and after that a letter sent to the address Hill had last given me was returned through the dead letter office, and I saw nothing of him after that till I saw him at the police-court.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. Two letters were returned through the dead letter office addressed to Hill—we received a letter from Hill requesting us to postpone the trial till about April, 1885. (
<hi rend="italic">This letter requested the postponement, as the witnesses could not be available till March or April. Another letter was read which requested them to inform him whether the case would come on within the next fortnight, and stated that he had been laid up with a fractured leg.</hi>) I only had charge of the case up to a certain point.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I know that a statement of defence was delivered, and that interrogatories were administered and answers drawn by our Counsel—I have never seen Hill write.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. I have several letters from the Railway Company after the claim was made by Hill—the letter of 6th March, 1884, from the Railway Company says: "Neither I nor my clients have imputed fraud or dishonesty."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-62" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-62" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-62" type="surname" value="HINTON"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-62" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD HINTON</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor at Euston Station—I had the management of the action brought by Hill against the Railway Company—up to the time that letter was written the London and North-Western Railway Company were not in the possession of sufficient information to plead actual fraud—in consequence of information from the detective</p>
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<p>department I decided to fight the action, and an amended statement was put in on 8th December, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WEBB</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18850518-538-verdict-2" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18850518-538-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="notGuilty"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-538-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">HILL</hi>**—
<rs id="t18850518-538-verdict-2" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18850518-538-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-538-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">of false pretences and con
<lb/>spiracy.</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18850518-538-punishment-3" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18850518-538-punishment-3" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-538-punishment-3" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="hardLabour"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-538-18850518 t18850518-538-punishment-3"/>Eighteen Month's Hard Labour.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<div1 type="trialAccount" id="t18850518-539">
<interp inst="t18850518-539" type="uri" value="sessionsPapers/18850518"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-539" type="date" value="18850518"/>
<join result="criminalCharge" id="t18850518-539-charge-1" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-539-18850518 t18850518-539-offence-1 t18850518-539-verdict-1"/>
<join result="criminalCharge" id="t18850518-539-charge-2" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-539-18850518 t18850518-539-offence-2 t18850518-539-verdict-2"/>
<persName id="def1-539-18850518" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-539-18850518" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="def1-539-18850518" type="age" value="40"/>
<interp inst="def1-539-18850518" type="surname" value="POWELL"/>
<interp inst="def1-539-18850518" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">EDWARD POWELL</hi> (40)</persName>
<rs id="t18850518-539-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18850518-539-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-539-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="mail"/>, Stealing a post-letter containing valuable securities, he being employed in the post-office.
<hi rend="italic">Other Counts</hi> for embezzeling and for receiving.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COWIE</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BAGGALLAY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted;</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. MONTAGU</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PURCELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Defended.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-64" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-64" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-64" type="surname" value="COX"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-64" type="given" value="ISABELLA"/>ISABELLA COX</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of John Cox; we live at Market Street, Warwick—on the morning of 28th Feb. I sent three postal orders for 20
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., from the Warwick Post-office, in an envelope with an account to H.C. Wilkinson and Co., 135, Regent Street, London—I fastened up and posted the letter myself at a quarter to 9 a.m.—Mr. Roberts was the post-office assistant who issued the orders to me—I shortly afterwards communicated with the post-office about that letter.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-65" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-65" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-65" type="surname" value="ROBERTS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-65" type="given" value="CHARLES JAMES"/>CHARLES JAMES ROBERTS</persName> </hi>. I am employed as an assistant at the War
<lb/>wick Post-office—on 28th February I issued three postal orders to Mrs. Cox, entereing the numbers in a book which I have here—these three for 20
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., correspond to the numbers I took down—those were the only three orders I issued that morning—a letter addressed and posted before 9 o'clock would be dispatched from Warwick shortly afterwards at 9.5 to London.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-66" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-66" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-66" type="surname" value="FRAYER"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-66" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH FRAYER</persName> </hi>. I am overseer to the Inland Branch of the post-office—the 9.5 a.m mail bags from Warwick arrive at the chief office at 1.27 p.m., and a letter such as that described by Mrs. Cox would be transferred at 2.9 to the E.C. Office, and afterwards to the W. Dis
<lb/>trict in Vere Street, which it would reach 25 minutes after 2.9—allowing for stoppages, it would reach Vere Street before 3.2.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-67" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-67" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-67" type="surname" value="RUSS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-67" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES RUSS</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Messrs. Wilkinson, 135, Regent Street, jewellers—they take their letters from the Western District Office in a private bag, one key of which is kept at the office, and one at the firm—I fetch the bag daily from the office about 8 o'clock a.m.—after fetching it at 8 o'clock on Saturday morning I should not fetch it till 8 o'clock on Monday morning—on Monday, 2nd March, I fetched it and handed it to Mr. Rollison, Messrs. Wilkinson's manager.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-68" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-68" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-68" type="surname" value="ROLLISON"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-68" type="given" value="HERBERT WILDERS"/>HERBERT WILDERS ROLLISON</persName> </hi>. I am manager to Messrs. Wilkinson' 135, Regent Street—I received the letter-bag from the West District Office on Monday morning, 2nd March—I did not take out a letter from Mrs. Cox of Warwick with three postal orders—none of the names of the payees on these orders are the names of any persons in our firm—I don't recognise the handwriting at all—postal orders from customers are always paid in every morning to Messrs. Ransom, Bouverie, and Co., the firm's bankers, with our stamp across them—I afterwards had a communication from Messrs. Cox, and wrote to the post-office.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> We receive about 350 letters every morning.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> No one has any access to them before they get to me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-69" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-69" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-69" type="surname" value="IMESON"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-69" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE IMESON</persName> </hi>. I am a post-office receiver at 122, Caledonian Road—this postal order (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is one issued at Greenock, 878, 315, for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—on 24th April it was presented at our office for payment, I don't know who by—he gave the name of Henry Hoare—all these postal orders are</p>
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<p>signed in the same handwriting—after that I communicated with the post-office—two of these three orders from Warwick were paid at my office—one is signed Frank Howard; it was presented by Hoare and paid by me on 18th March.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-70" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-70" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-70" type="surname" value="CHEVALIER"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-70" type="given" value="WILLIAM DOWLING"/>WILLIAM DOWLING CHEVALIER</persName> </hi>. I am a counterman at the Vere Street Office—I paid this Warwick order for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; it is my signature attached to it—I have no idea to whom I paid it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-71" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-71" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-71" type="surname" value="REED"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-71" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE REED</persName> </hi>. I am an assistant at King's Cross Road Post-office—I paid this order for 20
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. over the counter—I do not know to whom.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-72" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-72" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-72" type="surname" value="HOARE"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-72" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HOARE</persName> </hi>. I am a harness maker, and live at 37, Stanmore Street, Caledonian Road—on 24th April I went to the post-office receiving house, 122, Caledonian Road, with a postal order for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. from Greenock—I presented it for payment, and was detained by Mr. Imeson—it is my receipt on the Greenock order—I presented these three other orders, one for 20
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and two for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. each, and got them paid—I got them all four from Lizzie Harris—the signatures to all four are in my writing—one is payable to J. Holloway, another to G. Hart, both body and signa
<lb/>ture are in my writing, hird to Lizzie Harris, signed by me, and another to F. Howard; both body and signature are mine—I cashed the 20
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. order on 6th March, at King's Cross Road, the 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. one at Vere Street on 23rd March, and the other on 17th March, at 122, Caledonian Road—I saw Harris after I went to the General Post-office, and the prisoner five hours afterwards—I had seen him before, once at King's Cross, and again at King's Cross in volunteer's clothes, and once in the Caledonian Road—on those occasions he was in Lizzie Harris's com
<lb/>pany—I did not speak to him; I only saw him in her company—it was about eight weeks ago I first saw him with her; I could not say the date—I don't remember the number of postal orders the girl has given me, but I was told 26 altogether; that was about it—no one else has given me postal orders in this way to cash—they were all given me within the last six months—I did not know Preston, employed at Vere Street, until he was pointed out to me at the Post-office when I was taken there; I had never seen him before that, either with Harris or any one.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have only passed by one other name besides what I put on the orders, I have not counted how many names I signed—when I took the orders to be cashed I signed the first name that came into my head—I am known by the name of Harris at Stanmore Street—I am a harness maker, I have done no work lately—Lizzie Harris pro
<lb/>vided the money I lived upon—I lived on her prostitution before I helped to bring this charge against the prisoner, a little over 12 months—I have done work occasionally at my own trade—I was in no person's employment for twelve months prior to this charge being brought—I knew the girl earned her living by prostitution—I did not follow her about, only on the three occasions when I saw her with the prisoner, she might have crossed my path when I was out—I said before the Magis
<lb/>trate "I have walked behind her to look after her to protect her," it was not to see what custom she got—I call following her protecting her—I said "Inspector Peel suspected me of a jewel robbery a year or more ago at Windus and Co's. in Hanwell Street"—that is true—I took the bed and board knowing how Harris got her living—directly Powell came in the door I pointed him out—I was asked the question "Was</p>
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<p>that the man that gave Lizzie Harris the poet-office order?" and I said "Yes"—I had not seen him give her any orders.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I was not charged with any robbery at Clerkenwell—I first saw the prisoner at the office about 9 o'clock in the evening; there were 10 other gentlemen in the room, I dare say—Mr. Hurst took me to the room, the prisoner was not there then—they asked me what I knew about the prisoner, and I made my statement—Mr. Woodward asked me questions—I had not seen the prisoner before that in the room.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-73" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-73" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-73" type="surname" value="HARRIS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-73" type="given" value="LIZZIE"/>LIZZIE HARRIS</persName> </hi>. I live at 37, Stanmore Street, Caledonian Road, and am 19 years old next August—I became acquainted with Hoare three years or a little more ago, and have been living with him lately—I first met the prisoner one evening about three months ago at the back of King's Cross Station—I had before that seen him now and again in a shop in Bingfield Street, Caledonian Road, where I dealt on and off—when I met him that evening he asked me to have a glass of ale—I said I did not mind, and I had a glass with him in the Globe public-house—After that we went to a greengrocer's shop in the King's Cross Road and into a room there together by ourselves—we remained there for some time—when he left he gave me a postal order for 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and said he had not any money, but I could get the money just the same if I took it to the post office, they would change it for me—I said to him "It is all right, isn't it?"—he said "Oh, yes my girl, you have got nothing to fear, I should not give it you if it was not all right," and he said all I had to do was to write my name on the top, "You can sign any name and they will give you the money "—when we first went into the room the prisoner said "Don't you know me?"—I said "I know you now you have taken your hat off, I did not know you before, you are the gentleman that keeps the provision shop"—he said "That is right"—that was the shop in Bingfield Street—the night after I saw him again—he said he might see me next night and might give me something—the following night I saw him at King's Cross Station and he gave me some orders of the same kind—he said "I can be a very good friend to you, but at the same time I cannot afford to give you all the money, you must return me half"—he gave me other orders at other times, altogether he gave me about 30—he gave mo this Warwick order—I wrote "Hart" in the body of it; it is Hoare's signature at the bottom, I gave it to him—I gave these other two Warwick orders to Hoare, it is not my writing on either of them—I got some of the money from time to time, and I always gave the prisoner back half, sometimes in the street, some
<lb/>times in his shop—I got this Greenock order from him the night before I charged him (I think it is the one Hoare was stopped with), on the Thursday night—I forget if he gave it me in the shop or street—when he gave me the order in the shop it was in a little piece of newspaper, sometimes rolled up—the "Smith" in the body is mine—the signature "Henry Smith" at the bottom is Hoare's—when the prisoner gave me this on 23rd April I bought some provisions in his shop; two duck's eggs, and a bundle of wood, and a tin of salmon—it was late in the evening—I had to meet him on Friday evening at 6 o'clock at King's Cross Station, where I nearly always met him—the next day I was out with Hoare and he went to change the order at the chemist's shop in Caledonian Road—I waited outside, I could not see into the shop—as he did not come out I went in to get a pennyworth of glycerine and rose-water, and saw him</p>
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<p>sitting there with a policeman—I came out, and as I did not know what to do went down to King's Cross; and alter talking to a friend went to the police-station—from there I was taken to the General Post-office, where I saw Mr. Woodward, to whom I made a statement—I did not see Powell there when I first went, and did not know he was there; there were a lot of gentlemen there—alter I had made the statement I saw Powell there—I said "That is the man that gave me the orders"—the prisoner said 'I don't know you, I have never seen you before"—I said "Oh yes, he does know me, on my word he knows me, gentlemen"—I never received any post-office orders from any one else—I gave these pos al orders to Hoare to change—I don't know Preston, a postman, I never had anything to do with him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I might have changed four or five orders, not more—I told Hoare where I had got them from—he said nothing as to whether he thought they had been improperly come by—he took them as a matter of course and cashed them—I don't know the name of the greengrocer's shop, it is in the King's Cross Road, at the corner of a court, with a provision shop at one corner and this shop at the other, and a large public-house right at the corner—I never noticed the name of the court—I went to that shop five or six times, I cannot be sure; I used to go in at the side door—there used to be a man or a woman there who took the money; they would have an opportunity of seeing the prisoner—I have not seen anybody here from that shop—I don't know whether any
<lb/>body was called at the police-court from that shop—there is a young woman, Annie Key, here who who saw me with the prisoner—she was before the Magistrate—she is a dressmaker; I knew her by living in the same house before Christmas last.—she is not an unfortunate that I know of—I was living the same life then in that house at 22, Storey Street—I left there a week before Christmas—I am 19, and have known Hoare about three years, he has been living on me for the last year—he cashed all the orders except the two or three I cashed.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The greengrocer's shop is now shut up—I know that because the woman threatened me for shutting it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-74" type="given" value="FREDERICK WILLIAM"/>FREDERICK WILLIAM WOODWARD</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the confidential inquiry branch of the General Post-office—in the course of my duty I was making inquiries about the loss of letters passing through the Vere Street office, where Powell was employed—on 24th April Hoare was brought to the General Post-office, and in consequence of a statement be made Powell was brought there and Harris was sent for—Hoare was in the room when Powell was brought in—immediately he entered the room Hoare said "That is the man that gave these orders to Mrs. Harris"—I said to Hoare "Do you know this gentleman?"—he said "Yes"—I said "Who is he?"—he said "I know him by the name of Powell"—I said "Is he the gentleman who gave those orders to Mrs. Harris?" Hoare said "Yes"—I took that down—I asked Powell his name and age and so on, and said "You know who I am?"—he said "Yes"—I said "A large number of letters addressed to the firm of Wilkinson and Company, Regent Street, have been stolen in transit through the post, and the orders which were enclosed in them have been fraudulently negotiated; this afternoon this young man," pointing to Hoare, "whose name is Hoare, presented one numbered 878515 for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for payment at Caledonian Road receiving house; he was stopped, and on being</p>
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<p>questioned about it states that he received it from Mrs. Harris through you"—the prisoner replied "I deny it, it is a falsehood"—Harris then came into the room, and Powell was placed where he could not be seen by her, but could hear what was going on—she made a statement, which Powell heard—I said to her "Do you know why you have been brought here?"—she replied "That young man," pointing to Hoare, "I gave him an order to charge this afternoon, and I was waiting outside for him and saw the policeman go in, and I went in for a pennyworth of glycerine and rose-water; I saw the policeman and the young man sitting by his side; I did not know whether to say anything; I went out and walked down as far as King's Cross Station, and was there about half an hour, when I saw this gentleman "(he was a third person who had come down with Harris)" and I asked him what I should do, as I thought Harry was locked up, and he said I had better go to the station and tell the truth how I got the order, and I told the gentleman that; and with that the gentelman brought me down here"—I produced the order and said to Harris "Where did you get this order?"—she said "A man gave it to me"—I said "Do you know him?"—she said "I do not know more of him; he met me one evening at King's Cross Station and gave me the order; I said 'Is it all right?' he said 'Quite right, you have nothing to do; it was before Easter he had to do with me; each time he asked me to give him half of the orders he gave me; I did; this is the order he gave me last night over the counter of his shop, and at the same time I bought two three-halfpenny duck's eggs, a bundle of wood, and a tin of salmon; he said I was to meet him to-night at 6 o'clock, at King's Cross Station, where I nearly always meet him; I did not meet him, because I went to the other place"—I asked her to look round the room and see if she could identify the person who gave her the order; she looked at Powell and said "That is the man"—I said to Powell "You have heard what Mrs. Harris has said, what have you to say about it?"—he said "I deny it, I never gave her any orders, I never saw her before"—I asked him where he lived, he said 42, Bing
<lb/>field Street, Caledonian Road—I said "Have you anything belonging to the Post-office?"—he said "No, only a few cases I take home to do"—I searched his house, and found two Bank of Ireland notes; I asked him to whom they belonged, he said "To me"—me said "Where did you get them from?"—he said "I took them over my counter as cash"—I said "Who from?"—he said "Customers I don't know; they were for goods a week ago"—I then produced 30 postal orders which I told him had been stolen from post-letters and fraudulently negotiated, and the matter would be laid before the secretary—he made no reply.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The prisoner was assistant overseer at Vere Street; he has been in the service of the Post-office for 19 years—I cannot speak for certain—letters from Warwick would pass through a great many hands before reaching Vere Street—a good many hands are employed at Vere Street—I cannot say how many; many persons would have access to the letters there—some letters come straight from the country there; some pass through the General Post-office.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-75" type="given" value="ROBERT ROMFORD"/>ROBERT ROMFORD HOADE</persName> </hi>. I am assistant overseer at the Western District of the General Post-office—Powell was assistant overseer at the same office and had been in the Post-office service since 21st September,</p>
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<p>1868; his wages were 50
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—a letter addressed to Messrs. Wilkinson and Co., Regent Street, if dispatched from the East Central District at 9 minutes past 2 would reach the Western District at 2.33—I was on duty on Saturday, 28th February, in the morning, not in the afternoon—the prisoner would be on duty if I was not and would have access to letters passing through the office—on Friday, 24th April, I was in the General Post-office when the prisoner was there—I have heard Woodward's account; it is perfectly correct—the next morning, 25th April, I again saw the prisoner at the General Post-office—he said "Good morning" and then beckoned me over to where he was sitting, and he said "There is more implicated in this affair, and you will find out as time goes on who they are; you will be surprised"—I said "Why not say who they are?"—he said "I have been thinking it out during the night, and it has come to my mind that Preston paid a visit to my shop some time ago in company with another man; I have been thinking what a strange thing it was that Preston should call upon me, a thing which he had never done before"—I said "Who was the other man, was he any one employed in our office?"—he said "No, he was a stranger to me; I can quite see through this affair, they have been getting this up against me, but of course I shall have to suffer; these orders have been given to this girl by Preston; the girl was instructed if she was questioned concerning where she obtained the orders, she was to say Powell gave them to her; this is all a get-up; I am innocent, but will have to suffer as all these witnesses are against me; I have seen Preston with this girl in the neighbourhood of King's Cross a great deal"—I know man named Preston in the Western District office—he was on duty in the office on the morning of 28th Feb., and left the office for delivery the last time at 12.15 in the afternoon—the prisoner was in the habit in the course of his duty of taking money to the bank from the office—on Saturdays he generally did that in the morning—the prisoner would know of the inquiries and complaints of Messrs. Wilkinson passing in the office.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> There had been complaints at the office that somebody had been stealing letters for some time—the prisoner was well aware of that, and if dealing with stolen post orders he would know of the suspicion—the prisoner had nothing to do with letters.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> In the course of his duty he would have access to the tables where they were sorting letters—I cannot remember the date when orders began to be cashed at different offices; I know it is about three months from the commencement of the cashing.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-76" type="given" value="JOHN WILLIAM"/>JOHN WILLIAM PRESTON</persName> </hi>. I am a first-class postman at the W. Dis
<lb/>trict post-office, Vere Street—I have been in the post-office service 17 years—I am in the same volunteer corps with the prisoner—on one occasion I went to the prisoner's shop with another man, Sinclair, on Good Friday, 1st April, at the prisoner's invitation—I introduced Sinchair to the prisoner—I never went to his house on any other occasion—I never saw Harris nor Hoare to my knowledge—I have never been in Harris's company in the neighbourhood of King's Cross—I never gave her a postal order.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have been to King's Cross to see my brother, but not lately; I went to York Road on Good Friday—I had never seen the girl before till I saw her at the General Post-office on Saturday—the prisoner is a married man, and I am too.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-77" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE KEY</persName> </hi>. I live at 22, Storey Street, Caledonian Road, and am a dressmaker—I know the prisoner, I have dealt at his shop on and off for two years—I knew Lizzie Harris by her living at 22, Storey Street—I saw her with the prisoner on one occasion at Derby Street, Gray's Inn Road, they were entering the Globe public-house—I am quite sure the prisoner was the man with her—she had not spoken to me about the case at all till a week last Thursday.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have only seen Hurst the police-constable twice—he asked me the question whether I had ever seen the girl in company with the prisoner—that was the first I was asked about it—I did not speak to her when I saw her going into the Globe; I was passing through Derby Street; she did not see me and did not know I had seen her—she asked me if I would be a witness for her—I have lived in the house for two years—I did not know she was a prostitute at the time, not for two months after she was there—Hoare was living in the same house, but I went to business of a day, and did not know their business—I believe they occupied the same room.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Hoare gave the name of Harris, the same name as the girl—the girl asked me to be her witness last Thursday after I saw Hurst—I said I did not mind as I had seen her with him, I told her, at the Globe—I was astonished when I knew her occupation.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-78" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER HURST</persName> </hi>. I am a police-constable attached to the General Post-office—I took the prisoner into custody on 25th April.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-539-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="mail"/>There was another Indictment against the prisoner for a like offence,</rs> on which</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BAGGALLAY</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-80" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FROOME</persName> </hi>. I live at 19, Stock well Green—on 19th March I was in Covent Garden selling plants, and the prisoner came up and bought two plants for eighteenpence; he gave me a half-crown; I gave him a good shilling—I got the plants down, and he said they were not worth the money, and asked for the half-crown back; I gave it to him, and he gave me a shilling; I put it in my ticket-pockot by itself—he had a canvas bag like this (
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I saw you in the market a few days afterwards, but did not give you in custody because the sergeant said I was to keep the money till he came round—I did not sell you the plants for fifteenpence—the sergeant described you as coming round with a bag and passing bad money for a long time previous, but I only saw you once afterwards till the sergeant fetched me—I am sure the shilling I gave you was good.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> He bought the plant about 6.30 a.m., and I had had a warning from the sergeant before that, in consequence of which I put the shilling in my pocket, and when he came I found it was bad.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant E</hi> 5). On 17th March I was on duty in plain clothes in Covent Garden Market, and watched the prisoner from 7 o'clock to 8.30 for a reason—on the 19th, about 4 a.m., I went to Mr. Froome and gave him instructions—I went to him after this transaction, and he produced a shilling from his pocket; it was bad; I bent it with my fingers and marked it—on the morning of 28th April I saw the prisoner going about the market in a suspicious manner with a bag on his left arm, going from one salesman to another—I watched him a very few minutes as I was in uniform—I caught him by the hand and said, "Give me that out of your hand"—he said, "I don't know what you mean"—he resisted, but I opened his hand and found this bad shilling (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I bent it in my mouth, showed it to him, and said, "There you are"—I had to move the bag from his arm—I said, "I shall take you it custody for uttering one on 19th March to Mr. Froome"—he said, "I know nothing of it"—I took him to the station and found 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in good silver and 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze—he was placed with six others, and Mr. Froome identified him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-82" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am examiner of coins to the Mint—these coins are bad, and from different moulds.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "I had the 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in my hand which I had taken for two plants which I had sold."
<hi rend="italic">He repeated this statement in his defence.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILKINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted;</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GEOGHEGAN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Defended.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-84" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH CHILDS</persName> </hi>. My husband kept a sweetstuff shop in Hornsey Road, Islington, but we now live at 97A, Wellington Road—on April 28th, at 5.40 p.m., the prisoner came for some chocolate-cream; I had not any, and he bought some cocoa-nut chips, which cost 1 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and gave me a half-crown—I gave him two shillings separate, and 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze—he left, and I then put the half-crown to my teeth and they sank into it—I ran out and saw him at the corner of Seven Sisters Road; he saw me running, and went round the corner—I went to him and said, "You have been in my shop and given me a bad half-crown"—he said, "It is not me; you have mistaken me for some one else"—I said, "I am sure it's you"—he said, "I have only a shilling with me, I have no sweets"—I had not said anything about sweets—I gave him in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He was over 150 yards from the shop then—there were other men at the corner, but not where I stopped the prisoner—he did not run—there was a girl in my shop at the time—while the prisoner was in custody two men came to my shop, and one said that he was the man who passed the bad half-crown, and he did not wish me to be the loser, and offered me another—I have not told any one that the man who came to the shop was pitted with small-pox—I have not said, "The man who came in was wearing an overcoat," nor did I say, "No, you are not the man, for the man who bought the sweets had small-pox marks on his face"—I had a policeman waiting in the shop—the gas was not lit when</p>
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<p>the prisoner came—he did not stand with his back to the light, but side-ways—he was only a minute in the shop.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The men returned when the policeman was there—they said they did not want an honest man to be charged—I have no doubt the prisoner is the man—it was daylight—the man who came after and said that he did it, was not the man who did it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-85" type="given" value="WILLIAM GEORGE"/>WILLIAM GEORGE THOMSON</persName> </hi>. I am a grocer, of 194, Hornsey Road, five or six shops from Mr. Childs's—on 28th April, at 5.30, I saw a man outside my shop, with a handkerchief, rubbing something in his hand—I watched him—the prisoner then came up in a direction from Mrs. Childs'e with some sweets in his hand, and a stick under his arm—it was daylight—they were talking a minute in front of my shop, and then went on towards Seven Sisters Road—I did not see what the other man was polishing, but he was looking towards Mr. Childs's shop.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-86" type="given" value="FANNY"/>FANNY PAYNE</persName> </hi>. I am 11 years old—on 28th April, at 5 p.m., I was in Mrs. Childs's shop, and saw the prisoner there buying some sweets.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Mrs. Childs brought me here to-day—I remember two men coming into her shop, and one said that he passed the half-crown—I remember Mrs. Childs saying that the man who bought the sweets was marked with small-pox on his face—I did not hear her say that he wore an overcoat; she said that to a woman in the shop when the men were there—it was the woman said that; she is a neighbour of mine—the prisoner has no small-pox marks on his face.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> It was not Mrs. Childs who said that the prisoner had small-pox marks; it was Mrs. Langley, but Mrs. Childs was there when she said it—Mrs. Langley was not there when the prisoner came in.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi>). On 28th April, about 5.40 p.m., I was on duty in Seven Sisters Road, and saw Mrs. Childs talking to the prisoner—I went up, and she said that he had changed a bad half-crown at her shop—he said, "It was not me; you have made a mistake"—I took him in custody—he had this stick (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) in his right hand—I took him by the left arm, and he shifted it into his left hand, put his right hand into his trousers pocket, pulled out a paper parcel, and threw it over the garden-wall of 97, Seven Sisters Road—Wood came to my assistance and took him to the station—I went into the garden of No. 97—Wood came back—we searched the garden and found four half-crowns there, and one on the pavement; I received another from Mrs. Childs—I searched the prisoner at the station, and found a good shilling, a bag of chocolate-cream, and this watch and chain (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> These are not the sweets which Mrs. Childs sold to the prisoner—I was in uniform; the prisoner could see me; he did not attempt to run away—Mr. Thomson said that the other man was about the same age as the prisoner but shorter—the prisoner refused his address at the station, but afterwards gave it 57, Corney Road, and I went there—I know that he is respectably connected—I do not know that his late employer gave him this watch—he did not appear flabbergasted when I took him—I did not see the other man, and do not know whether he is known to the police—he did not say a man asked him to hold what was
<hi rend="italic">chucked</hi> over the wall.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> He gave his name and address about five minutes after refusing it—I had said nothing to him in the interval—he said nothing about having the packet given him by somebody else.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-88" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES WOOD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi> 507). I was on duty in plain clothes, and saw the prisoner with Miller and Mrs. Childs—Miller took him in custody, and they came towards me—when they were about six yards from me he put his hand in his right trousers pocket, took something white out, and threw it over the wall of 97, Seven Sisters Road—I took him to the station while Miller went back—I afterwards went back, got admission to No. 97, which is surrounded by a high wall, and found in the garden this paper containing three counterfeit coins, and one had slipped out—it is the colour of the thing which I saw go over the wall—when the charge was taken the prisoner said "I would rather give this lady 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. than she should prosecute"—he also said that he would admit pitching the half-crowns over the wall, but he did not pass the half-crown—the bag of sweets was found at the station, and Mrs. Childs said that they were not bought from her.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The prisoner was not struggling to get away, only to get his hand into his pocket, but he did not go quietly after he had thrown them away, he struggled with us both in Hornsey Road—I made no note of my conversation with him—what he said was "I would rather give 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. than this should have happened"—I do not think I mentioned at the police-court that he said "I admit throwing the half-crown over the wall"—tins is the first time I have mentioned it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-89" type="given" value="WILLIAM JOHN"/>WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This single half-crown is bad, these four others are bad, and one is from the same mould as the one passed—they have been rubbed in the usual manner with tissue paper.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The difficulty in making counterfeit coins is to get the knerling, but in an old half-crown it is more or less worn away—this is one of Geo. III., 1818.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). This single coin is the one tendered to me for the chips—I gave it to the constable.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> When I went up to the prisoner I charged him with passing a bad half-crown, but I did not say for sweets—he said "It is not me; I have not got any sweets; I have only a shilling on me, you can have that if you like. (
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received an excellent character, and his late master, a jeweller, stated that he had presented him with the silver watch found on him on his leaving him, and would reinstate him in his former postion whatever the result of the trial might be.</hi>)</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">WILKINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-92" type="given" value="CLARA"/>CLARA RYE</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at a restaurant, 74, Ludgate Hill—on April 20th, about 5 p.m., I served the prisoner with a glass of stout, price 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a half-crown, and I gave him two shillings and fourpence is bronze—I put the half-crown in the till—he went out directly he had drunk the stout—Davidson then came in, and in consequence of what he said I went to the till and took out the half-crown—it was the only one there—I had not put any money in the till since—this is it (
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and gave me a shilling—I gave him the change—he had been in two or three times before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> There was other silver in the till—you</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> When the detective came in the coin was put on the shelf, and when he came the second time it was marked—I know it by the mark—Mr. Schooler followed him out and gave him in charge.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 637). On 20th April, at 5.35, I saw the prisoner and another man on Ludgate Hill—he left the other man and went into the
<hi rend="italic">Cafe de Paris,</hi> No. 74—I met Detective Davidson, spoke to him, and watched the prisoner—we saw him come out—the other man was waiting 20 yards from the shop—he joined the prisoner in Ludgate Circus—I followed them through Bride Street and several little streets, and we lost sight of them in a court in Fetter Lane—I did not see the prisoner again till he was in custody.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi>). On 20th April shortly after 6 p.m. I went to the restaurant and Miss Rye showed me this half-crown—I then joined Outram and followed the prisoner and another man and lost sight of them in Fetter Lane—I then went back to the restaurant—Miss Rye produced the half-crown and I marked it in her presence.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> My impression is that the time was about 6.15. (
<hi rend="italic">The witness's deposition said</hi> 5.45.) I followed you because I did not like the look of the coin and put it on one side; had I known that it was bad I should have arrested you—I never saw you before.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-95" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN JONES</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 489). The prisoner was given into my charge in Fleet Street, by Bride Lane, by Mr. Schooler, about 9 o'clock—I told him he would be charged with uttering a counterfeit half-crown about 6 o'clock on Ludgate Hill—he made no reply—he tried to get his right hand into his pocket, but I prevented him, took him to the station, and was going to search him, but he put his hand into his right hand pocket and took out three florins, a sixpence, four pence, and a bad half-crown—Miss Rye came and identified him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> You said you had given a cabman who you did not Know, change for a half-crown; that referred to the one in your possession.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-96" type="given" value="WILLIAM JOHN"/>WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are both bad, and from the same mould—a bad coin has a totally different ring to a good one.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> If I had really uttered it I should not think of going hack a few hours afterwards. As to the coin found on me, I gave a cabman 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for it.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILKINSON</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> No one else was running after you—I shouted out "Stop that man"—I was within three or four yards of you when you stopped and you could not have got away—your brother said that he gave you a shilling's worth of coppers that morning.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-100" type="given" value="WILLIAM JOHN"/>WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These pieces of coin are bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> "I never knew I had a coin of the kind on me till the barman broke it; and then, thinking I was going to be locked up, I thought the wisest thing was to go. I refused my address because I have got respectable friends and I hoped I should get off; but when I was brought up a second time I gave my brother's address. I received the coin for holding a horse."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILKINSON</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change and the tobacco"—he said "I will when I get home;" but at the shop he said "I have not got it; I gave it to my companion; both the 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change and the tobacco"—I saw a man with him about a hand taller than himself—I gave him in custody with the shilling; this is it.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> You said. "Me and my
<hi rend="italic">chum</hi> carried a bag from Cable Street, St. George's-in-the-East, to the East India Docks, and a sailor gave me a shilling, if you like to come back I will show you the man," but I thought it was a risk to run to go back as it was a dull part.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 400). The prisoner was given into my charge—he said that he and his companion had brought a sailor's bag to the East India Docks, who gave his companion a shilling, who gave it to him to purchase the tobacco, and he did not know it was bad, and that his companion was Murphy, who lived over Tower Hill—I saw no companion—no tobacco was found on him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-107" type="given" value="WILLIAM JOHN"/>WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are both bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "It is false what that boy swears."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I am not guilty of the half-crown, but I took the shilling the
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi> gave me; when the man came and said it was bad I said, "Lay hold of that
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<hi rend="italic">of the uttering to Mr. Kirkby.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILKINSON</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 428). On 1st May, about 7 p.m., I was on duty in uniform in Carlisle Street, Soho, and saw the prisoner with other lads—I walked towards them, and he ran away; I followed him, and he was stopped—I told him I should take him to the station on suspicion of stealing a lady's bag—he said, "All right"—as he ran away I saw him throw something in newspaper into the public garden of Soho Square—Puncher got over into the square and picked up five counterfeit half-crowns and a piece of newspaper which was lying beside them—the prisoner said that he knew nothing about them.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 106). I was on duty and saw the prisoner running round Soho Square and Newbound after him—I caught him—while he was running he threw something out of his right trousers pocket over the railings—I handed him to Newbound, got over into the square, and found five half-crowns, which appeared to have burst out of this paper—I showed them to the prisoner—he said, "You have made a mistake this time"—I went to the square again next morning, and found this other half-crown (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), which I marked.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-111" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are all bad, and from three different moulds—the last one found is from the same mould as one of the others.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> They do not belong to me; they were lying there, and I passed, and the constable after me, and they caught his eye.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">There was another indictment for larceny against the prisoner.</hi>*—
<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILKINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-113" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WIMPERY</persName> </hi>. I keep a provision shop at 10, Leonard Square, shoreditch—on 28th April, about noon, I served the prisoner with two eggs—he gave me a shilling; I gave him a sixpence and four pence—after he had left I found the shilling was bad and went after him, but could not find him—on 2nd May he came again about 9.45 p.m. for two penny eggs, and gave me a bad shilling—I knew him as soon as I saw</p>
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<p>him, told him it was bad, and gave him in charge—he said that he took it at a fair in the City—I said, "The shilling you gave me before was bad"—he said that he had never been in the shop before—I gave him in custody with the shilling.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner.</hi> I am guilty of the one on 2nd May, but not of this.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-114" type="given" value="SUSAN"/>SUSAN CARLIER</persName> </hi>. My husband is a draper, of 9, Leonard Square, Shore-ditch—on 30th April, between 5 and 6 o'clock, the prisoner came in for a collar and put down a half-crown, saying to the shop girl, "Will you give change for this half-crown?"—she gave him four sixpences, and he left—I went after him, but could not find him—I afterwards gave the coin to the constable—I picked the prisoner out from others at the station on 4th May—this is the half-crown (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), I know it by the scratches on the back and the marks I made.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-115" type="given" value="ISABELLA"/>ISABELLA LLOYD</persName> </hi>. I am shop woman to Mr. Carlier—on 30th April the prisoner came in and asked me for a 14 1/2 turn-down collar, price 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and gave me a half-crown—I passed it to Mrs. Carlier and asked her for change, and then gave the prisoner four sixpences out of the till—this is the half-crown.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-116" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS HONEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 55). On 2nd May I was called to Wim
<lb/>pery's shop, and the prisoner was given into my charge—he said, "If it is a bad shilling I know where I got it, at the Fancy Fair in the City Road"—there was such a fair—Mr. Wimpery said, "He was here last Sunday morning and gave me a bad shilling"—the prisoner said, "You have made a mistake, you have never seen me here before"—I found a good shilling on him—he said at the station that he lived in a street leading out of Bunhill Row, but did not know the name of it or the number—I received two bad shillings from Wimpery, and a half-crown from Mrs. Carlier.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-117" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had a swing at the fair and changed a half-crown, and received two shillings and five pence change. I went into the shop and put the shilling down, but I was never in the shop before.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-347-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">FOURTH COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18850518-352-offence-1 t18850518-name-128"/>Aaron William Orme</persName>, with intent to steal, and to a conviction of felony in June, 1881, at the Sessions House, Clerkenwell Green, in the name of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18850518-353-offence-1 t18850518-name-131"/>Richard Mason</persName> 2,200 cigars and 22 boxes, his goods, and afterwards breaking out of the same.</rs> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 347). I was in Oxford Street. Stepney, on 28th April, opposite the British Oak public-house—I watched the prisoner from Haven Street where I could see the public-house quite plainly—I saw the door opened from the inside, and the prisoner and another man came out—I remained in a doorway till they got opposite, when I caught hold of the prisoner; the other man ran away—the cigars and two boxes produced were in the prisoner's possession—I asked him what he had, and he replied "Nothing"—I asked him where he was going, he said "To work"—we struggled for some minutes—I took him back to the public-house—I found the door open—I called the landlord up and he charged the prisoner—he made no reply—I examined the house—the back window was open in the bar-parlour; everything was strewn about the bar-parlour—I produce a knife found on the prisoner.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-133" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD MASON</persName> </hi>. I keep the British Oak—about 2.45 a.m. on 28th April I was awoke by a constable—I found the prisoner in custody—the cigars, &c., produced are mine—the place was strewn all over with cigar boxes—everything was all cleared up when I went to bed—when I came down the door was open—I missed 22 or 23 boxes of cigars, a quantity of spirits, and a greatcoat, some tobacco, and 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of coppers—the value altogether was about 24
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> Coming up by the London Hospital a man asked me to lend him a handkerchief. I lent him one, he wrapped up these boxes of cigars, and said "Put them under your arm and come with me, and I'll give you some coffee." We walked up the street and a police
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<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to a conviction at this Court in January, 1884, of uttering counterfeit coin.—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. GILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-136" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN FARRINGDON</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of James Farringdon, of No. 4, Cumming Street, Islington—on 24th March, about 1.45 p.m., I was walking along Edward Street—at the corner of No. 6 I saw a disturbance—the door of No. 6 was open a little way—I crossed the road—the prisoner threw the old gentleman into the road on the kerb by the collar of this coat—there was some loud talking, I could not hear what it was—I assisted him up—his elbow was a little grazed—he complained to his arm, hip, and leg—we leaned him against the parlour window-ledge—I called the prisoner a brute—he said "What do you know of this, you</p>
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<p>cow?" and shut the door—I left the old man—about 4.30 I saw Sale opposite his own residence trying to open the door.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I saw Mrs. Margary there afterwards—she assisted me with the old gentleman—you did not say "You know nothing of this row"—I said "I'll say nothing more to you, you pig."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I afterwards picked the prisoner out of six or seven men.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-137" type="given" value="MARIA"/>MARIA AGER</persName> </hi>. The prisoner lodged at my house, No. 6, Edward Street, Barnsbury, for three years—Mr. Sale, the deceased, lodged there nine months—he was an old man of 70—on 24th March I was at home all day with the prisoner and Mr. Sale—Sale went out for drink several times—about 2 o'clock the prisoner was in the lobby—Mr. Sale was going out again to fetch more drink in—the prisoner asked him if he was going for more, and said he ought to be ashamed to bring more in; he knew I was not accustomed to drink—Sale said he should fetch what he chose to—the prisoner then put his hand on his shoulder, gave him a slight push, and shut the door—I went out and asked him to come in, and where he was hurt—he said on his elbow—I went to the door several times after that and asked him to come in—he said he would not—I after
<lb/>wards saw him across the road looking in at the milk-shop window—I went the next day to the hospital and he told me he fell down in the street, and he thought he hurt his hip or his thigh.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-138" type="given" value="ELIZABETH JANE"/>ELIZABETH JANE MARGARY</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Thomas Margary, of 70, Chapel Street, Islington—I was going into the shop opposite, No. 6, Edward Street, about 1.45—the door of No. 6 opened suddenly—the prisoner threw Sale out on to his left side—he saved his head with his elbow, and rolled into the gutter from the kerb—the prisoner had hold of his coat and collar—I helped to pick him up—Mrs. Ager came to the door, but he would not go in—he was holding his side—I took him to the White Conduit public-house opposite afterwards, and got him some reviving mixture—he called for a glass of old else and a pennyworth of gin, then a pennyworth of tobacco and a pipe; after that he had a fit—he walked outside, and was brought in by two men—Sale was a fine, tall, fresh gentleman.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-139" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT HARDMAN</persName> </hi>. I saw the prisoner take hold of Sale by the shoulder and shove him into the street—he fell into the gutter—I saw him assisted up—he put his hand on his hip, and leaned against the doorpost—the push was not violent.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not see Mrs. Margary; I saw Farringdon—I did not see Sale afterwards till he was brought back to the public-house in a wheelbarrow.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-140" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES BERRY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi>). On 7th April I arrested the prisoner at 11 o'clock at night, in 6, Edward Street—I said, "I am going to take you into custody, Drummond, for causing the death of George Sale"—he said, "What do you think I shall get for this? he wanted to bring grog into the house, and I would not let him, and I pushed him out."</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-141" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA BONSET</persName> </hi>. I live at the White Conduit public-house—the prosecutor came there about 3.15 p.m. on 25th March, with a woman—he asked for some tobacco and some ale, and sat down—I saw him go out—about 10 minutes afterwards he was brought in by two men—I did not see anything the matter with him.</p>
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<p>March I was outside the public-house at 1.30—I saw a man thrown out of No. 6, Edward Street—he fell into the gutter—some women picked him up—I saw him again at 2.45, going across the road—he walked with great difficulty—he nearly fell against a lamp-post; his legs seemed to give way from under him—a man caught hold of him—he came in and took a seat—I was sent away for some hot water, and when I returned he was in a fit.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner in his defence said that Sale had been drinking and wanted to fetch in more drink; he merely gave him a shove and shut the door, but had no intention to hurt him. He did not want him to annoy the landlord, so told him to wait outside till the landlord came home.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-355-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="animalTheft"/>, Stealing a gelding, set of harness, and a cab, of Samuel Gotts.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WOODGATE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 763). I was off duty, and in plain clothes, on 17th April, at 10.15 p.m., I saw the prisoner coming in and out of the Swan public-house—I watched him—he looked through the glass door—he jumped on the box of a hansom cab and drove away over London Bridge—I spoke to the cabman—I followed him over the bridge—he saw me running, and whipped his horse up—I got a lift in a spring-cart and overtook him in Southwark Street—I said, "What are you doing with this cab?"—he made no reply—I said, "I shall take you to the station and charge you with stealing it"—on the way he said, "He told me to take it home"—I said, "He had given you no leave to take it away."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> You were sober.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I did not leave you to mind it; I left a boy to mind it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "I was the worse for drink. I did not know what I was doing; that is all I have to say."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY*</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to a conviction of felony in October,</hi> 1880,
<hi rend="italic">at the Westminster Police-court.—
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 139). I was on duty at 4.30 on 7th May, in Silver Street—I saw the prisoner with another man not in custody—he came out from 13, Silver Street—they saw me, and ran away—I gave chase into Monkwell Street, Fell Street, and Wood Street—they dropped a cash-box in Fell Street; in Wood Street they threw a knife away—the prisoner was stopped by another constable—I took him to the station—I found on him 1
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in silver, and 11 1/4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze, and some matches—they slammed the door in Silver Street; after them—I went back to Silver Street and examined the door—I saw marks on the door and on the fanlight—I had tried the doors half an hour before; this door was closed and secure—I never lost sight of the prisoner.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 116). I heard Maunder call "Stop thief," saw the prisoner and stopped him, and delivered him into Maunders's custody—I picked up a cash-box in Fell Street.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-150" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES WILLIAMSON</persName> </hi>. I am a licensed victualler at the Coopers' Arms, 13, Silver Street—I sleep on the premises—I examined the door at 10 o'clock the previous night and found it fastened—that is the door at the corner of Monkwell Street—the following morniug I heard the doorslam—I went downstairs, and let in the inspector, who inspected the premises—this cash-box contained keys of our neighbours, put in our charge and 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., all was safe overnight—once inside one has access over the house—this knife belongs to the prisoner, it was lying alongside the till—the front door bolts with a bolt at the top and one at the bottom—there is a fanlight over 49 inches long by 9 inches deep and it is fastened with a hook and eye—I also found some matches in the drawer of the till, of the same kind as those found on the prisoner and quite different to those used in our business.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-356-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-356-18850518 t18850518-356-punishment-18"/>Twelve Months' Hard Labour.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, May</hi> 20
<hi rend="italic">th, and Thursday, May</hi> 2l
<hi rend="italic">st,</hi> 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted;</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PURCELL</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Defended.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-155" type="given" value="JAMES GRAVES"/>JAMES GRAVES WINGROVE</persName> </hi>. I live at 203, Mare Street, Hackney—the deceased was my son, he would have been 11 years old in another week—I did not see the accident, but I went out to see what was the matter and saw him being carried to the doctor's—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the basket he was carrying, it contained two dozen of mangling.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-156" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HUSSEY</persName> </hi>. I am a flower seller, of 9, Allen Street, Commer
<lb/>cial Road—on 4th April I was in Mare Street selling flowers about 6.15 p.m. on the left-hand side of the road, going from London to Hackney—that is the side opposite Weston Place—I heard somebody shout, turned round and saw a lad crossing the road from Weston Place carrying a basket of washing or mangling on his left shoulder—the horse caught him and knocked him down directly; the horse was in a Hansom's cab, which the prisoner was driving—I saw the right wheel go over the boy—I picked him up directly, put him on my shoulder, and ran with him to the doctor's, I noticed no other cab—he was knocked down just by the first metal, the reverse side from me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The first metal would not be in the centre of the road, but the boy lay about the centre—what took place was behind me, but it caused me to turn round.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. The boy was bleeding—I was almost standing in the gutter—my back was towards the road; I was facing the footpath, I was on the same side as the Dolphin public-house (
<hi rend="italic">Looking at a plan</hi>), and the accident was very nearly behind me—I was standing in the</p>
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<p>gutter beyond Fortescue Avenue—there is only one line of rail on the tram road.</p>
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<persName id="t18850518-name-157" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-157" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-157" type="given" value="JOHN ROLAND"/>JOHN ROLAND JAMESON</persName> </hi>. I know this locality well, I made this rough sketch—I have measured a number of distances in Mare Street—Mare Street is 23 feet 4 inches wide at the corner of Weston Place from kerb to kerb; the right-hand kerb is 9 feet from the right-hand tram line—from the corner of Weston Place to the corner of Fortescue Avenue is 22 1/2 yards diagonally from kerb to kerb—the Gladstone public-house is on the same side as Weston Place, nearer Hackney—it is 33 yards from the corner of Weston Place to the Gladstone, and on the opposite side there is the Dolphin public-house—that is 48 yards from the corner of Weston Place; it is 300 yards from the triangle to the corner of Weston Place—there is a monument in the centre of the triangle, I measured from the part which is nearest to Cambridge Heath—the road is not exactly straight from the triangle to Weston Place, but there is nothing to prevent you seeing down it—Ash Grove is farther away towards Cambridge Heath; it is 400 yards from Western Place, and farther up that road is Cambridge Heath Bridge—that is another 150 yards beyond Ash Grove.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The prisoner was brought in at 6.30; he was perfectly sober.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-158" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE CANNING</persName> </hi>. I am a carman—on April 4th, about 6.30, I was driving in a cart over the bridge from Cambridge Heath towards the Triangle, three Hansom's cabs passed me going 16 or 17 miles an hour—the prisoner was driving one of them; but they kept passing each other, one with a black horse got ahead and then stopped for the others after they had passed me; they were close behind one another; the horses' heads were right at the backs of the other cabs—after they passed me I saw a man standing on the step of one cab, hitting the horse with a whip to make him go faster; the driver was on the box; that was the last cab; they then passed out of my sight—I continued on to where the accident had happened and found the boy lying in the road—I got down, and saw the prisoner standing by his cab, which was outside Fortescue Avenue.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have not had much experience in horses—when I say that they were going 16 or 17 miles an hour, I mean it—they were three Hansom's cabs; there is no mistake about that—I did not see a newly-painted waggon going along—they passed me very rapidly, but they got stopped by things coming in another direction—the only opportunity I had of seeing them was when they passed me—there was a fare in one of them; but I can't say if the prisoner had a fare or not—he was driving the middle cab; but afterwards the first one got behind—I had not got them in sight more than five minutes—I was going about six miles an hour; my horse was trotting.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. They passed me just by Cambridge Heath where the tram is single—the prisoner's cab had drawn up to the kerb at Fortescue Avenue when I got up.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-159" type="given" value="EDGAR"/>EDGAR FITCH</persName> </hi>. I am a carman—I was at the corner of Hackney Road and saw three Hansom's cabs coming down Hackney Road, which runs from Shoreditch Church into Cambridge Heath Road; they were on the London side of Cambridge Heath Bridge and about a quarter of a mile from it; they were going I should think 8 or 10 miles an hour; they steadied themselves and went quietly two abreast and one behind—they</p>
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<p>did not pass me till I gave my horse some water at the Triangle—they steadied themselves there because there was a pointsman there—they kept altering their pace, first slow and then sharp, and one would wait for the other, and then they would go on again—two policemen at the Triangle held up their hands, and I saw the cabs pass the Triangle—after I had watered my horse I went down Mare Street and saw the cab which knocked the boy down, pull up just past the Dolphin—I saw the man with the boy on his back directly he was knocked down; that was just by a butter shop, and nearly opposite Fortescue Avenue—I did not see the boy knocked down, but I saw blood stains where he had fallen; the cab had stopped not above 10 yards from that spot—he must have pulled up in about the length of a cab—the blood stains were about three yards from the kerb on the off side—the tram runs nearly in the middle of the road and they were between the tram and the kerb, not between the two tram lines; as you go from London it was on the Weston Place side, the off side going to Hackney.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> One cab had a fare inside, that was one of the two which went away—I had the cabs in view from the time they passed me till they got to the place of the accident; neither of them stopped till it happened—when they passed me I was 20 or 30 yards from the place where it happened—I am sure that neither of them pulled up to put a fare down, before they reached the scene of the accident; they steadied as they passed Morley Hall, when the constables held up their hands.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> They then went on pretty steadily as far as the constable could see, and then they started again—the fare was two men; I do not know whether they were fares or friends.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-160" type="given" value="FRANK"/>FRANK SAVILLE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman N</hi> 172). On 4th April, about 6.30, I was with Doncaster on duty at the triangle, on the opposite side of the road, the side nearest the Cambridge Heath bridge, and saw three Hansom's cabs coming along from Cambridge Heath bridge, following each other 20 or 30 yards apart, about the rate of 10 miles an hour; I stepped into the road and told them that they had better pull up; that was because they were recklessly driving; they then steadied, passed me, and went down Mare Street; the prisoner was driving the first cab.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> There is a fixed point at the triangle for any one who wants to find a policeman; it was my duty to stop there; Doncaster was acting sergeant, he was close by me; all three cabs had a fare.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> There was a lady and gentleman in one cab, and two gentlemen in another, and one gentleman in the third—I do not know whether they were fares or friends.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. After they steadied they went on steadily as far as I could see, but I could not see far because of the bend; I could not see down Mare Street as far as Weston Place, only about half way, as far as the chapel, that is 20 or 30 yards before you come to the Dolphin.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-161" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-161" type="surname" value="JAMESON"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-161" type="given" value="JOHN ROLAND"/>JOHN ROLAND JAMESON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). The chapel is exactly half way between the Hackney end of the Triangle and the Dolphin, which is about fifty yards from the chapel—the chapel is on the same side as the Dolphin—there was nothing to impede my view from the Triangle to Weston Place, but the constable was round the bend—I speak of a person standing in the centre of the Triangle—it is called a triangle, but it is not a triangle at all—there is a chapel on one side and a public-house on the other—</p>
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<p>the Wesleyan chapel is midway between the Triangle and the Dolphin on the left, and there is a Roman Catholic chapel on the right.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-162" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE DONCASTER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman N</hi> 193). I was at the Triangle when the accident happened—I saw three Hansom's cabs coming from Cam-bridge Heath bridge—I was at the corner of King Edward's Road—that is opposite Morley Hall on the opposite side to the Dolphin, and about 400 yards from the corner of West Street—I was on the right side as you go down Hackney Road, and about 15 yards from Saville on the opposite side—the cabs were coming about 10 miles an hour—I shouted out to them "Be careful," and they walked—they were following each other when they passed me, and were about 10 yards apart—I could see 100 or 150 yards down Mare Street—after that I lost sight of them—they continued to go steadily as long as I saw them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I could not see as far as the Dolphin—I could see 150 yards down the road, but the Dolphin is 350 yards down—I noticed there was one gentleman in the first cab, but I don't think there was any one in the other two.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I do not know whether it was a fare or a friend.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-163" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-163" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BEAR</persName> </hi>. I am a carpenter—I was in the front of the Dolphin and saw three Hansom's cabs pass me—the prisoner was driving the last one, the one on the right-hand side—they were not going abreast, but one in front of the other, not exactly in front but in an oblique direction, stretching across the road—they very nearly occupied the whole road, one in the middle and one on each side—they were going from 9 to 10 miles an hour—the prisoner was driving the cab on the right-hand side, the farthest from me—I did not see the accident, but I went to the spot after the boy had been taken away, and saw blood on the right side of the road between the tram metal and the kerb—the prisoner's cab was then on the opposite side of the road to where the accident occurred—the head of his horse was just by Sorrell's the tailor's shop—I did not see any other vehicle in the road when the cabs passed.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The prisoner's was the third cab—they passed me 40 or 50 yards from the accident—the third cab had then passed me—I did not notice any one in the prisoner's cab, but I saw two persons in one cab, but in which I can't swear—I will not swear whether the other cabs had fares, but I almost think there were fares in two of the cabs—I am uncertain, and should not like to be pressed about it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-164" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES RUTT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman N</hi> 656). I was on duty in Mare Street—I did not see the accident—I saw the boy being taken into a doctor's, and saw blood on the road by Weston Place, about three yards and a half from the kerb, between the kerb and the tram rail, and nearer to the tram rail than the kerb—it was about a foot from the tram rail—a Hansom's cab was stopping against Fortescue Avenue, and the prisoner was about 50 yards from it, speaking to one of his witnesses, a lady and gentleman, and taking their names and addresses—I asked him if he was the driver of the cab standing up the road—he said "Yes"—I told him he would have to go with me to the station—he said "All right."</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-165" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY YOUNGMAN</persName> </hi>. I am 11 years old—I knew the boy who was killed—I saw him come out of Weston Place that evening, carrying a basket of mangling on his left shoulder—I was outside my father's shop, which is on the same side of the street as Weston Place—it is two shops up, between the Gladstone and Weston Place—the boy came slanting</p>
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<p>over the road as if he was going to Fortescue Avenue—the cabs were coming towards the Town Hall from the direction of the triangle—I saw a Hansom first and then a four-wheeler—I only saw two cabs—they were side by side—the boy was as far from me as that wall when I first saw him—the cabs were coming very rapidly, and I halloaed to give the boy an alarm—the horse was then just up to him, and it kicked him and knocked him down, and the wheel went over his neck—he was about the first tram metal then—the cab drove drove on about 20 yards and then pulled up, and the driver got down—the other cab went on—there was a coal waggon standing at the corner of the Gladstone then but not all the while—I was at my father's door—there was nothing else about.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The driver was not standing with the waggon—it was standing nearer to the triangle than the Gladstone—the boy carried the linen on his shoulder in such a position as to hide the cab from him—the Hansom was the nearest cab to me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-166" type="given" value="EDWIN"/>EDWIN LUFF</persName> </hi>. I am a wire worker—I was in Mare Street on this day about 6.30, walking towards London on the right-hand side—I saw a boy come from a van which was standing on my left hand close against the kerb—he had a basket of washing on his left shoulder, which entirely hid the cab from him—I heard two shouts—I expect it was from the van, but I can't say—one I believe was from the cabman, and the boy seemed confused, and hardly knew which way to turn, and knocked up against the shaft of the cab, which knocked him down and the wheel passed over his neck—it might be a minute after that two Hansom cabs passed by—the driver of the cab which knocked the boy down pulled up as soon as he could and got down—he stopped a very few yards from where the boy was knocked down—I saw a man in the cab as it came towards me, but I don't know what became of him—the cab was going six or seven, or it might be eight miles an hour.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was about 50 yards up Mare Street—I only saw one van, it was stationary; I was on the opposite side to it—I have no experience of horses or of driving—I think the cabman thought that he had cleared the boy; he pulled to his right-hand side of the road, and the boy attempted to go back—I believe I heard two shouts, but I cannot say where they came from—the policeman took my name as a witness—I did not see a four-wheeler—after the accident one Hansom's cab passed on the same side as the van was—they pulled off the cab and went by it—the cab was on the other side from me before it was pulled up, which was about a minute after the accident; he pulled up as soon as he possibly could.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The boy moved forward, and then retraced his steps, and the Hansom caught him and knocked him down—the cab might have been a yard or two from him when I first saw him, because the road is very narrow, and when there is a cab on one side and other vehicles on the other there is not room for anything to come along—I believe the boy had got across the first tram line, and the cab was within a yard or two of him—his basket of washing prevented him seeing the cab—the wheel of the cab was not close to the van, there was a yard and a half or two yards between them, I cannot say positively—the cab was going between six and eight miles an hour, an ordinary pace, and if the boy had not turned it would have cleared him I believe, if he had not</p>
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<p>retraced his steps—the boy seemed to be in the centre of the road, just where the accident occurred—I should say he had only 10 seconds of time.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-167" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER DERBY</persName> </hi>. I am a warehouseman—I was in Mare Street on the right-hand side from here, going towards Hackney Town Hall from Cambridge Heath; that is the same side as Weston Place; I was about 20 yards from Weston Place, opposite Sorrell's, the tailor's—I heard a shouting, and saw the boy crossing in the middle of the road—he had passed one tram rail and had got near the other, as near as I could see—it is only a single line—he got confused with the shouting, and retraced his steps to go back to where he started from—he got back between the metals and ran under the horse's feet, and the prisoner pulled to the off side, and the boy seemed doing the best he could to extricate himself, but he got entangled with the horse's feet and knocked down, and the horse trod on him, and the cab went over his neck, and the cabman pulled up directly—I do not know what pace the cab was going, as I did not notice it till it was on the boy—I did not notice a waggon or van, but I believe there was one standing against the Gladstone; that is some little distance off—I had not passed any van that I noticed—I did not turn back, the cab pulled up where I was standing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had crossed the end of Weston Place, and had not noticed any waggon or van standing against the kerb—when I heard the shout, the boy was in front of me in the road, I had not to turn round to see him, he was in a direct line—I did not hear the shouting till the cab was nearly on him; when I heard the shout he was under the horse's feet—I had not noticed him till I heard the shout—he was nearly in the middle of the two tram rails when he was knocked down—he was nearly on the kerb when I first saw him, but he turned back; he would have got there if he had not retraced his steps—I do not know whether he exactly reached the first tram line because I was not in the road—I said before the Magistrate that I believed I saw a coal-waggon standing there, but would not swear it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-168" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM ANDREWS</persName> </hi>. I am a boot and shoe manufacturer—me and my good lady were going down Mare Street at the corner of Weston Place towards the railway-station—we turned to the right some yards away from the Gladstone—the station is by the Gladstone—I saw the little boy in the road near the kerb on the right side, on which I was; he might have been in the gutter—I looked to my left and saw the cab coming along; I called to the boy to get out of the road, but he did not move, he kept to the kerb; I halloaed again as loud as I could, "Get out of the road, my boy"—the cabman pulled to the right, and the boy made a move; he moved a few paces when the cabman pulled to the right—he could not keep on his left side because there was a big coal-waggon there—no doubt I could have seen the tram rails where I was, but I did not look—the boy was near the kerb when I first saw him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I may have called out three times—the cab was some yards off him when I first called out—he was coming down the middle of the road—it is not a very wide road—the waggon was at the side of Fortescue Avenue, near a confectioner's, on the other side to me and on this side of Fortescue Avenue, to the best of my recollection.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PURCELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">proposed that the witness should read his deposition to refresh his memory as to the facts, and referred to the case Reg. v. Williams, 6 Cox's Criminal Cases, p. 343, where a witness was allowed to do so.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">SIR</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-169" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HAWKINS</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">refused to allow the deposition to be used for the purpose proposed, stating that the deposition of a witness could not be used by the party calling him, for any other purpose than to contradict him, or to show that on a previous occasion he had made a statement inconsistent with his present evidence; and, further, that even if used and read for such purpose, it could not be treated as evidence of the facts deposed in it, but only as affecting the reliability of the testimony given by the witness in the box, as to which the Jury must decide for themselves.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">The</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">refused to allow the expenses of the witness Andrews.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POYNTER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-172" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN SOULSBY</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner's wife—we live in one room at 198, Gray's Inn Road—we have four children, Arthur, 15, Alice, 10, Albert, 7, and the baby 2 years old—on Tuesday night, April 7th, about 12.15, I was sitting by the side of the bed in a chair—the baby was in bed; the prisoner was sitting by the side of the table very close—Arthur and Albert were in bed, Alice was up, near the table—the prisoner was sober; he had been taking a little, but not much—he said nothing, but kept looking at me, and kept bringing his chair closer and closer to me, and then he bounced quick upon me—I felt him stab me seven times, but did not see any knife—he commenced on my head and eye, and the last on my collar-bone—he put his hand to my chin and held my head up while he was doing it—he had been knocking me about in the morn
<lb/>ing, and he hit me and punched me on my mouth, and used very bad language—he was sober in the morning; I don't think he had any money to get any drink—there was no cause for it in the morning, nor did he say that there was, but he was always going on at me, and quarrelling, and not letting me have any peace—he was always using threats that he would rip me open—on this previous Thursday evening he came home from work and sharpened a knife, and said he meant to kill two; he should murder two—one was me, and I suppose the other was his brother, because he was always speaking about him, he hated him so much—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the knife he was sharpening—he had his hat ready, to start directly he had done it, and he went away very quickly—I was taken to the hospital, and was there a fortnight.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-173" type="given" value="ARTHUR"/>ARTHUR SOULSBY</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner's son, and am 15 years old—he is a bookbinder—on Tuesday night, April 7th, near 12 o'clock, I was in bed and asleep—I was awoke by the children screaming—there was a light in the room, and I saw my father stabbing my mother about her face and neck—my sister Alice took the knife away, and I got my father from my mother—my mother ran out to the neighbours—the prisoner walked out of the house, and the police were fetched.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> My mother did not take up a knife beforehand, nor did I say, "You are always taking up a knife and say
<lb/>ing that you are going to stab father"—I never saw my mother take up a knife to stab you—she told you to hold your
<hi rend="italic">row</hi>—I never saw her threaten you.</p>
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<p>standing by my mother on this night, and the baby was asleep in the bed; my mother was going to get up from the chair, and my father kept rubbing his chair closer and closer, and then he pulled out the knife and stabbed mother—me and my little brother cried and I got out of bed—I went to my father to help my mother and took the knife out of his hand; this is it—he went away—I got a policeman and gave him the knife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> My mother had not been quarrelling with you all day—she did not go out in the morning, nor did you ask her where she had been, nor did she say that was her business.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 259). On 7th April, about 11.45, I was fetched by a little girl to the prisoner's house, and saw the prosecu
<lb/>trix bleeding very much from wounds in her face and neck—I took her to the Royal Free Hospital, Gray's Inn Road—I saw the prisoner at Bow Street Station between 3 and 4 a.m., and told him he would be charged with stabbing and attempting to murder his wife—he said "How is she? I hope the b—is dead, and I shall be hung for it, we shall be both out of the way"—he was sober—Alice Soulsby gave me this knife; she had it in her hand when she called me—it had blood on it, but she wiped it off.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-176" type="given" value="HENRY WORTH"/>HENRY WORTH DODD, M.D</persName> </hi>. I am house surgeon at the Royal Free Hospital—Mary Ann Soulsby was admitted there on 7th April, at 11.45, in a very weak state; her clothes were soaked with blood; she was suffering from seven wounds; the chief one was just below the left collar-bone, an incised punctured wound, going downwards and inwards about an inch down or an inch and a quarter—the next severe wound was on the right side of her neck; there was another on her lip, another below her left ear, another in the angle of her right eye on the outer side, and one on the top of her head on the left side—she had lost a great quantity of blood—the wounds might be inflicted by this knife—she is perfectly well now.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I did not intend to murder her; I never had such a thought, but she has been aggravating me all the holidays, saying that she would go away if she liked, and called me all sorts of bad names. She came in at 11.20, I said "Where have you been?" she said "That is my business," and went on swearing and saying she would do this and that; and she said, "You will find I have got it up hot for you." I had used the knife to cut some tobacco. She took up a knife and said she would stab me. The boy had said previous to going to bed, "You are always talking about stabbing father." When I came in the little boy said "Mother has been out all the afternoon." I waited about and she came home about a quarter to 1 o'clock. I asked where she had been, she said she had been charing. She fell down intoxicated, and nearly gouged my eye out with a key. She has got hold of some bad com
<lb/>panious, and has misconducted herself. When she was in service she wrote me a letter asking me to take her back again, and I did so. About three months previously she flung a butter-dish at me. I have been told she has been in the habit of going about with men and with my brother.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-177" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN SOULSBY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). He has charged me with mis
<lb/>conduct with his brother and with every one, but there is not a bit of truth in it; he is a horrid wretch of a fellow.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-360-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>. Unlawfully forging and uttering a certain letter, with intent to defraud
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<hi rend="italic">Other Counts,</hi> for conspiracy to cheat and defraud.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MEAD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted;</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KEITH FRITH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Loraine.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-181" type="given" value="FRANK EDWARD"/>FRANK EDWARD BLAIKLOCK</persName> </hi>. I am deputy principal of the Bank Stock office; it is my duty to keep a register of the stock—on January 21st there was 4,900
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of that stock in the name of the Rev. William Forbes Capel, and it had been so for some years; the address is Crawley, Surrey—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is an examined copy of the ledger—the books are kept by the Governor and Company of the Bank of England on behalf of the Government.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-182" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN SHAW</persName> </hi>. I am a stockbroker, of Wardrobe Chambers, City—on 22nd January I received this letter: "2. Studland Street, Hammersmith. Mr. John Shaw. Dear Sir,—I have received private information to sell Canadian and American Railway Shares. Do you advise same. As I am short of ready money can you dispose of 4,900 India 4 per cent. for me. As it is to speculate I should like it done unknown to my brokers. It will require a power of A. to do this, so please send me application for one, as I am down with gout. W. Forbes Capel." It would be answered by one of my clerks—this is a copy of the answer, dated January 22nd, 1885—there is also a telegram marked "F"—in answer to the letter and telegram I received this letter (
<hi rend="italic">Marked "G," signed "W. Forbes Capel," instructing witness to sell and to keep the transaction from his brothers, who were stockbrokers</hi>)—that would be answered—I did not keep a copy, but this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is a summary of what I said—there was not copy kept, because I knew there was something wrong, and I sent down a special messenger, sending the summary by hand, to the address given, "Studland Street, Hammersmith." (
<hi rend="italic">This requested some identification of the writer, Mr. Capel.</hi>) After that I received a further letter which enclosed this visiting card—I then communicated with the Bank of England, and by their advice sent this telegram (
<hi rend="italic">Afterwards found upon Owen</hi>)—I received this letter "N" after Owen was in custody—in consequence of receiving these letters from Mr. Forbes Capel I sold the stock and was put to the expense of paying the difference, 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 17
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. I never saw Loraine till I saw him at the Mansion House.</p>
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<persName id="t18850518-name-183" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-183" type="given" value="WILLIAM JOHN"/>WILLIAM JOHN HALL</persName> </hi>. I am a hair-dresser, of 41, High Street, Barnet—in January last I was living at 2, Studland Street, Hammer-smith, and was assistant to Mr. Ward, who kept a hairdresser's shop and sold tobacco—somewhere about 21st January Owen came there and bought some tobacco—he said "Do you take in letters here?"—I said "No"—he said "Would you mind taking in some for me?"—I under
<lb/>stood him to say he did not want them sent to his lodgings—I said I would not mind taking some in—he said the name was Capel—he then left, he did not tell me where his lodgings were—afterwards several letters came addressed to "W. Forbes Capel" and more than one telegram—I saw Owen on one or two occasions afterwards, and those letters were given to him—nobody else called for them—as far as I remember I saw him three times at the shop, once on a Saturday night—I received 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. from Mrs. Ward for my trouble in taking in the letters.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. I never saw Loraine that I remember till I saw him at the police-court.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-184" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN WARD</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Ward—in January last we were living at 2, Studland Street Hammersmith—I have seen Owen there five or six times, when he called for his letters—I handed him letters and telegrams addressed to W. Forbes Capel, Esq.—he gave me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for the last witness—no one but Owen called for those letters—I was in the shop on 27th January when he was arrested—I would not say whether it was a letter or telegram that I gave him on that occasion, it was one or the other.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi>). On Tuesday, 27th January, I was in plain clothes—I went to 2, Studland Street about 5 p.m, made inquiries there, and waited till about half-past 9, when Owen came in and said to Mrs. Ward "Any letters, please?"—she handed him this telegram, addressed to W. Forbes Capel, 2, Studland Street—he put it in his pocket, and handed her some money—she then turned to me and said "This is the gentleman you have been waiting for"—I said to Owen "I have been waiting for you some time; I have got with me a power of attorney, will you kindly sign it?"—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I had it in my hand—he drew back towards the street door, and said "I am not Mr. Capel; I only come for his letters"—I said "Nonsense, I am told by the people in the house that you are the person that came here about a week ago and asked that letters addressed W. Forbes Capel might be taken in for you as you did not wish them to go to your lodging, and that you have called almost daily, and that no other person but you has been seen"—at that time we had got out of the shop—I then said to him "Where is Mr. Capel?"—he said "I don't know"—I said "Where does he live?"—he said "I don't know"—I said "What is you name, and where do you live?"—he said "I decline to answer; I don't see what it has got to do with you"—I said "Then you still refuse to give any account of yourself?"—he said "Yes"—at that time Abbott, another officer, in plain clothes, came up—I then said to Owen "We are two police officers; your answers are not at all satisfactory; you will have to go with us to the City; give me the telegram," which he did, un
<lb/>opened—it is from Mr. Shaw to Mr. Capel: "Power of attorney will be forwarded to-night"—I took Owen to the police-station in the Old Jewry, and Sergeant Child, who had charge of the case, saw him and spoke to him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18850518-name-186" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT CHILD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Police Sergeant</hi>). On Tuesday night, 27th Jan., I was at the Old Jewry when Owen was brought in by Sagar, who said "This is the young man; he declines to give his name or address, or any account of himself"—I then said to Owen "What is your name?"—he said "John Owen"—I said "Where do you live?"—he said "I don't live anywhere"—I said "Where did you sleep last night?"—he said "With a girl"—I said "Where?"—he said "In Piccadilly, but I don't know the name of the street"—I said "Could you" or "Will you give me any address at which you have ever lived?"—he said "No"—I then said "Can you give me the name of any one by whom you have been employed?"—he said "I have driven for a traveller; I don't know his name or the firm for which he travelled"—I said "Let me see what you have about you"—he then throw down this letter and envelope (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—he threw them down separately. (
<hi rend="italic">This was from William</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Capel to Mr. James Owen, care of Mrs. Elliot, 12, Lambeth Square, West-minster Bridge Road, and stated:</hi> "Dear Friend,—I shall be glad if you will go to the address in Studland Street to-night and to-morrow night; I enclose you three shillings in stamps, and will send you two or three shillings to-morrow. If you get any letters will you bring them to me at the first
<hi rend="italic">pub</hi> on the left in Rupert Street, as I shall be there from 10 till 11.") Before I read this letter I said "Where was you to meet this man Capel?"—he said "At a public-house in Rupert Street, Haymarket, between 10 and 11 o'clock"—then looking at the address on the envelope, I said "Is this your address?"—he said "No; it is a place at which I have had letters left"—I then got a cab, and accompanied by Sagar and Abbott, who were also in plain clothes, we took him to Coventry Street, and we there got out and walked into Rupert Street—this was just after 11—he pointed to the first public-house on the left, and said "That is where I have met him, the man, before"—we waited inside and out of the public-house for about 10 minutes or a quarter of an hour—I saw nothing there of any person who came up to Owen at all, or that Owen recognised—I took him back to the City—next morning I took him and charged him with forging and uttering a letter on or about 26th January, attempting to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England of 4,900
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said "I know nothing about it"—he was then taken and charged before the Lord Mayor at the Mansion House—he was remainded on two occasions, and on the 11th of February was discharged—there had been then examined myself and Sagar and the people from the address and some other witnesses—several letters were produced before the Lord Mayor—on 3rd March the prisoner Owen was in custody on another charge—he was ill at the time, and was remanded for some time—on 31st March, about half-past 10 in the morning, from informa
<lb/>tion I had obtained, I took Loraine in custody in the King's Road, Chelsea—Halse and Egan, two officers in plain clothes, were with me—I said "We are police officers; we shall arrest you; you will be charged with forging and uttering a letter on or about 26th January last, and attempting to defraud the Bank of England of 4,900
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—he said, "I know nothing about it"—I then took him to the Walham Green Police-station—on the way I said, "What is your name?"—he said, "You have no right to ask"—I said, "Well, I know you by so many names, I am justified in asking you your name now, so that I may know in what name to ask at your house"—he said, "What house?"—I said, "Where you are living at 11, Tetcot Road"—after some time he said, "Loraine"—I am certain I mentioned the address and not he—I took him into the Walham Green Police-station and said, "I am going to search your house"—he said, "You can do that; I can account for everything that is there," and he wrote his name "Loraine" on a piece of paper; this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I partly searched him there, and he handed me a 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Bank of England note—I then left him there, and went with Egan to search the house, 11, Tetcot Road—we found two females there—on a dresser in the kitchen we found this letter, (
<hi rend="italic">This was headed 11, Tetcot Road, King's Road, Chelsea, addressed to Mr. Savill, one of the parish officers, and was signed Charles Loraine.</hi>) I also found this from (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) inside this envelope on a shelf of the dresser; the latter was not closed down. (
<hi rend="italic">The envelops was addressed to Mr. Savill, 8, Edith Terrace.</hi>) Besides these I found some other letters, and two sewing</p>
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<p>machines, and various kinds of machinery and gas-fittings, which I brought away, and some things I can't mention—I took possession of all the things—I then went back to the station and said to Loraine, "I have searched the house," and mentioned some of the things I had found, and showed him this form and the letter to Mr. Savill in the envelope, and said, "I found these on the shelf, and I shall take posses
<lb/>sion of them," and I think I said, "They are in your writing"—he said nothing to that—I then took him to the Bridewell Police-station, and charged him there formally with forging and uttering the letter of 26th January, and attemptiug to defraud the Bank of England, and with con
<lb/>spiracy—he there gave the name of Eugene Loraine—in answer to the charge he said, "I know nothing about it"—he was then taken and formally charged before Alderman Sir Andrew Lusk, at the Mansion House, and Owen, who was then in custody, was jointly charged with him, and evidence was given against both, and on 4th May both were committed for trial—several letters were produced at the Mansion House—I inquired at 12, Lambeth Square, Westminster Bridge Road—I know now that Owen's sister lived there; I did not know it then—Crippen is her right name, but she said it was Morris.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. I did not find either on Loraine's person or at his house a single letter or document signed Capel, or anything relating to anything connected with the Capel forgery—I do not allege there is any similarity of paper or envelopes, or in writing, to the papers and envelopes in the Capel forgeries—after the letters had been handed to you and Mr. Poland at the Mansion House the authorities at the House of Detention were communicated with through my instructions—special watch was not kept on the men in consequence of that communication—I do not know that his cell had been searched—no order was given to search him before he was brought here to-day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-187" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-187" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-187" type="surname" value="SAUNDERS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-187" type="given" value="THOMAS HENRY"/>THOMAS HENRY SAUNDERS</persName> </hi>. I am a timber merchant in Portobello Road, Notting Hill—in December, 1883, I was foreman to Mr. Michael, who was the agent for letting the house, 11, Tetcot Road, Chelsea—that house was let to Loraine in the name of Charles Loraine—this is the agreement, dated 12th December, 1883; Loraine signed it in my pre
<lb/>sence; I attested his signature in Mr. Michael's presence.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-188" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-188" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-188" type="surname" value="MICHAEL"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-188" type="given" value="JOSEPH JACOB"/>JOSEPH JACOB MICHAEL</persName> </hi>. In December, 1883, I was agent for letting 11, Tetcot Road—on 8th December Loraine called and arranged about taking it, and he signed this agreement in my presence—I afterwards received from him these two letters relating to the rent, which was after
<lb/>wards paid—I believe them to be his writing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-189" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-189" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-189" type="surname" value="FLETCHER"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-189" type="given" value="FRANK"/>FRANK FLETCHER</persName> </hi>. I live at Kew, and was traveller to Mr. Michael—I knew Loraine when he was living at 11, Tetcot Road—I received this letter from him dated January 20th, stating that he would not be pre
<lb/>pared to pay the rent till 4th February—I called on that day, and got the rent from him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-190" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-190" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-190" type="surname" value="BUSSEY"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-190" type="given" value="WILLIAM EATON"/>WILLIAM EATON BUSSEY</persName> </hi>. I am manager of J. T. Bussey and Co., Limited, at the Museum Works, Rye Lane, Peckham—in March, 1879, a man named Charles Carter took a workshop of the firm at 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a week—Loraine is that person; he stayed there up to about August or September that year—in August I had a conversation with him about a loan that he wanted; I can't recollect the amount—he offered his too✗s as security—I said I would consider the matter; I afterwards received</p>
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<p>this letter about it—I have seen him write, and believe this to be his writing—I saw him afterwards, and suggested that he should put his proposals in writing, and I would forward them to my father—I after
<lb/>wards received this letter of 11th August, 1879, which I believe to be his writing—I sent it to my lather, and received it back with this memo
<lb/>randum written across it—before communicating that to the prisoner I received this other letter from him; I saw him with regard to it—he quitted the premises within a month or two after that—this letter, signed J. Whittaker, I believe to be also in the prisoner's writing—he was apparently a bicycle and tool maker and engineer—this letter, dated 6th November, 1879, I believe to be his writing; I believe I received it by a messenger—this letter of 20th January, 1883, signed Charles E. Bodas
<lb/>sier, I believe to be Loraine's writing, also these three, two signed George Merritt, and this letter to the Lord Mayor.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-191" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-191" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-191" type="surname" value="CLEMOW"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-191" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM CLEMOW</persName> </hi>. I am a licensed victualler in Salisbury Street, Strand—at the latter part of 1882 I was living at 7, Station Road, Clapham Junction—my sister, Mrs. Marshall, occupied No. 6, a private house, which she was desirous of letting, and there was a notice up, "To let," and in December, on behalf of the landlady, I let it to Loraine in the name of Charles Bodassier—I saw him there on several occasions—he paid the rent in advance—Owen was living there with him—I think they came there together—I left in March or April; they were living there up to that time.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-192" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-192" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-192" type="surname" value="READER"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-192" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM READER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Sergeant</hi>). On 26th June, 1883, Owen was at the Southwark Police-court; he was remanded to 3rd July—on that day Loraine appeared and was sworn—he gave the name of Charles Bodassier, and said Owen was his stepson—he gave evidence, and in the upshot Owen was discharged—after that I saw them together on several occasions, up to within six months ago, about the Strand, in Villiers Street, particularly of a night.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. I cannot give any particular month in which I saw them together; I should not think I have seen them together this year.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-193" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-193" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-193" type="surname" value="MAGENNIS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-193" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA MAGENNIS</persName> </hi>. I live at 1, Addlington Crescent, Lambeth—I knew Loraine as Charles Carter when he took apartments at my house at the end of February or beginning of March, 1883; he gave the name of Charles Carter then, but afterwards he gave the name of Loraine—Owen came to live with him about a week afterwards—I used to call him Jack; Loraine told me his name was Jack Carter—Loraine left at the end of November, 1883—Owen stopped on as a lodger, and his sister came to lodge with him for about seven weeks—Owen left about the commence
<lb/>ment of May, 1884—after Loraine left he sent me 3
<hi rend="italic">l.;</hi> I do not know that it was for Owen's lodging—there was a sum owing, one week for each room; that would not come to 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. The money was brought by some one who called to see Mr. Carter—I have seen Owen about the neighbourhood since he left, and I have seen Loraine once since he left; I never saw them together since.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. The first part of the time they were with me they only had one room, when the sister was there they had two—the prisoners occupied the same room and slept together until Loraine left—I did not know Loraine's occupation; I thought they were playing on the stage—</p>
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<p>he told me he was a betting man; I do not remember his telling me anything else—I never knew what Owen was—they used to go out together, sometimes as early as 6 o'clock, sometimes about 10 o'clock—I did not hear them say that they were any trade.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-194" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-194" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-194" type="surname" value="DOWNHAM"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-194" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS DOWNHAM</persName> </hi>. I am now a prisoner in Holloway Gaol—I first knew Loraine at the latter end of 1882 or the beginning of 1883, and Owen about three months afterwards—I have seen them together occa
<lb/>sionally up to September, 1884—in August, 1884, I met Loraiue in the Haymarket, and I saw Owen with him next day or the day after—we made an appointment to meet at some place, I do not remember where—I afterwards went to 11, Titcot Road, Chelsea, with Owen, and saw Loraine, and we adjourned to a neighbouring public-house, and Loraine wrote something to be inserted in a paper, and told me to take it to the
<hi rend="italic">Exchange and Mart</hi> office, Strand—I did so; they said something, and gave it me back—I took it back to Loraine next morning—I do not know whether he tore it up—I think he gave me something else; I took that to the
<hi rend="italic">Exchange and Mart,</hi> and they accepted it—Loraine told me to call for letters at two places; one was at 80, Lupus Street, Pimlico, a news-agent's—that was at the latter end of August or the beginning of September—Owen went with me, and we received letters about three or four times a week for two or three weeks—I saw Loraine write this letter to a gentleman at the Mint.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. I recognise the letter by the way it reads—I have seen him write several letters—Detective Child came to some me at the goal about coming here—I still have a considerable portion of my sentence to suffer.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. I am in prison for obtaining goods by means of false cheques—I first met Loraine in Farringdon Street—he was a stranger; some one introduced me to him, a man named Charles Broad, who I had seen before—I believe he was a barman—I first met him at the Tem
<lb/>perance Hotel, Blackfriars Road, where he used to attend a concert now and then—I did not see much of Loraine after I was introduced to him, only now and then, not very often✗—I did something for him; I took some portion of machinery from a house at Clapham Junction; I fancy it was a lathe, I am not certain.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-195" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-195" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-195" type="surname" value="CAPEL"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-195" type="given" value="WILLIAM FORBES"/>REV. WILLIAM FORBES CAPEL</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in holy orders, now at the Clergy Club, in Bond Street—I formerly lodged at Mr. Parkaurst's clerical hotel in Euston Square, a private boarding-house, where I used to stop when in England—on 11th June, 1883, I left two boxes there, one of which contained a despatch box—about the end of July last year, on visiting the hotel again, I had occasion to open one of the boxes, and at once missed the despatch box—it had contained certificates and receipts for East India Stock to the amount of 4,900
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., a good many returned cheques, and one of my cards—none of the letters that have been produced bearing my name are my writing or written by my authority—I do not know either of the prisoners.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. The letter to Mr. Shaw does not correctly refer to my family affairs; it mentions that my brothers are stockbrokers; I have only one brother, and he is not a stockbroker—to an outsider the signature may appear to be a very good imitation of mine, but not to myself; I can speak of the body of the letters, the signature is a manifest copy of mine.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-196" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-196" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-196" type="surname" value="INGLIS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-196" type="given" value="GEORGE SMITH"/>GEORGE SMITH INGLIS</persName> </hi>. I am a professional expert in handwriting, of 8, Red Lion Square, Holborn—I have on several occasions been examined in Courts of Justice to give my opinion upon handwriting—I have examined all the letters purporting to be signed "W. Forbes Capel," and in my opinion they are all in the same handwriting, also this letter sent to his lordship yesterday; these other letters, admitted or proved to be in Loraine's writing, are in my opinion in the same hand
<lb/>writing as those signed "W. Forbes Capel"—I have no doubt whatever about it; I can, if necessary, point out numerous similarities and pecu✗
<lb/>liarities, for instance in the spelling of the word "to-morrow."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>. I am of opinion that the letters to Horsefield and Clinkskill are in Loraine's handwriting; that the same person who wrote those, wrote the Capel letters, I have no doubt about it; they may be fairly described as an ordinary average clerk's hand.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. I have prepared an analysis of the similarities, which I produce.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18850518-name-197" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18850518-name-197" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-197" type="surname" value="SIMS"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-name-197" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD SIMS</persName> </hi>. I live in Montagu Street, Russell Square; I am a first-class assistant in the manuscript department of the British Museum; it is my business to carefully examine MSS. and habits of hand writing, so as to know the genuine from those that are not; I have been in that department 44 years—on one occasion, in a celebrated will case, I gave evidence in a Court of Justice—I have been in Court and heard Mr. Inglis's examination—I have examined the whole of the letters and documents referred to, and in my opinion they are all in the same hand
<lb/>writing—I have no doubt of it whatever.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KEITH✗FRITH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called for the production of the depositions and exhibits in the case against Chilley and Shay (see New Court, Saturday), and recalled Mr. Inglis, who repeated that in his opinion the letters and papers referred to an that case were in the same handwriting as the Capel letters.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Owen, in his statement before the Magistrate, alleged that he was simply employed to take the letters to a gentleman who he met in Rupert Street; that he had never seen him since; that it was not Loraine, who did not know of his fetching the letters.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18850518-360-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Loraine</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18850518-360-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-360-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">to two other indictments,
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<interp inst="t18850518-360-offence-2" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-360-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>one for uttering a forged order for the payment of money with intent to defraud;</rs>
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<interp inst="t18850518-360-offence-3" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-360-offence-3" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/> the other for obtaining by false pretences certain type-writing machines,</rs> also to two previous convictions, one in November, 1879, for obtaining an order for the payment of money by false pretences, and the other in October, 1881, at Exeter, in the name of Frank Owen, for the unlawful possession of counterfeit coin. Numerous other cases of fraud against him were stated by officer.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LORAINE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18850518-360-punishment-21" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-360-punishment-21" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="penalServitude"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-360-18850518 t18850518-360-punishment-21"/>Fourteen Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OWEN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18850518-360-punishment-22" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18850518-360-punishment-22" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18850518-360-punishment-22" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="hardLabour"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-360-18850518 t18850518-360-punishment-22"/>Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, May</hi> 21
<hi rend="italic">st</hi>, 1885.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder</hi> </p>
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