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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>Law Booksellers and Publishers.</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, May 19th, 1884, and following days.</p>
<p>Including cases committed to this Court under Order in Council, pursuant to the Winter Assize Act of 1879.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE</hi> the
<hi rend="smallCaps">RIGHT HON</hi>.
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-1" type="given" value="ROBERT NICHOLAS"/>ROBERT NICHOLAS FOWLER</persName> </hi>, M.P.,
<hi rend="largeCaps">LORD MAYOR</hi> of the city of London; The Hon. Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM VENTRIS FIELD</hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's High Court of Justice; Sir
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-2" type="given" value="ROBERT WALTER"/>ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</persName> </hi>, Knt., M.P.,
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-3" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM LAWRENCE</persName> </hi> Esq., M.P., Sir
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-4" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS DAKIN</persName> </hi>, Knt., Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN</hi>, Knt., and Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS</hi>, Bart., Aldermen of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-5" type="surname" value="CHAMBERS"/>
<interp inst="t18840519-name-5" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>, Knt., Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-6" type="given" value="REGINALD"/>REGINALD HANSON</persName> </hi>, Knt., one other of the Aldermen of the said City; and Sir
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-7" type="surname" value="CHARLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18840519-name-7" type="given" value="WILLIAM THOMAS"/>WILLIAM THOMAS CHARLEY</persName> </hi>, Knt., Q.C., D.C.L., Common Ser
<lb/>jeant of the said City: Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-8" type="given" value="PHINEAS"/>PHINEAS COWAN</persName> </hi>, Lieut.-Col.,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CLARENCE SMITH</hi>, Esq.,</p>
<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-9" type="given" value="ARCHIBALD"/>ARCHIBALD HANBURY</persName> </hi>, Esq.,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">FREDERICK KYNASTON METCALFE</hi>, Esq.,</p>
<hi rend="italic">Under-Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">FOWLER, MAYOR. EIGHITH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they Are know to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, May</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Defended.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-11" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA HURLEY</persName> </hi>. My husband keeps a news-shop at 1, Goswell Road—on Wednesday, 16th April, about 7.30 p.m., the prisoner came in for a Special
<hi rend="italic">Standard</hi> (she had been in the habit of coming there since Christmas once or twice a week for newspapers); she gave the a sixpence, I placed it in the till and gave her 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change; as soon as she was gone I found it was bad—I saw my husband mark it and put it in paper in a cash-box—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>); here is a mark on it where I bent it in my mouth—on 22nd April she came again, about 7.80, and asked for a publication called
<hi rend="italic">Something to Read</hi>, price 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and gave me this sixpence (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I said "This sixpence is bad, and you gave me one last Wednesday night"—I think she said "No, I did not," but people were going in and out, and I am not quite certain what she did say—we had found bad money eight or nine times after the had been in the shop, and destroyed it, and on one occasion I gave one of the sixpences to a trades man, who was going to be locked up for it—the prisoner always brought sixpences—my husband gave her in charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He is not here—the business does not take all my time; we are more busy of an evening—did not tell the Magistrate anything about her coming there two or three times a month; I mention it now because I was told to do so—somebody came to the shop and said that there ought to be a stop put to it—my husband charted her; I did not go to the station—I did not call after her on the 16th because she take was gone when I discovered it was bad—when I charged her on the 22nd with passing a bad coin on the 16th she did not say "You are mistaken, it was not me"—she said "No, I did not"—I said "Yes you did"—I had it marked a minute or two after I received it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I examined the sixpence just as she Was going out at the door, and put it aside and have kept it ever since—I swear it is the</p>
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<p>same—I heard my husband mention the passing of the sixpence on the previous Wednesday to the constable.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-12" type="given" value="ARTHUR"/>ARTHUR MAY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 285). I was called to Mr. Hurley's—the master said "This woman has passed a bad sixpence, and I took one last Wednesday, and this is the woman we have been looking out for"—I told her I should take her in custody for passing bad money—she said "I did not know it was bad," meaning the one she had passed that day—she was searched by the female searcher and three half-crowns found on her—when she was in the dock Mr. Hurley said that she had passed one on the Wednesday previous, and that he had been on the look out for her—she said she did not know it was bad, and she did not know anything about the one on the 16th—she was taken to the police-court next day and Mrs. Hurley attended.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not go to Mrs. Hurley and tell her what to say and I and I do not know who did—I did not say before the Magistrate all that I have said to-day—no one has been telling me what to say—I said before the Magistrate "She said 'As to the sixpence last night I did not know it was bad'"—she was not charged with the uttering on Wednesday night.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The two coins were produced at the police-court, but she was only charged with one.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-13" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these coins are both bad and from different moulds.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "I have nothing to say I was not sure of the coin. She is mistaken about the first coin; I did not give it to her."</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-16" type="given" value="PHOELIGBE"/>PHOELIGBE WHITE</persName> </hi>. I keep a dairy at 49, Chandos Street—on 16th April, about 11 a.m., Russell came in for a penny egg and gave me a bad shilling—I said "I don't think this is a good one"—he said "I think it is quite right"—he saw me try it in the tester; it bent easily—I laid it on the counter and he took it up—as he was going out at the door the sergeant came and took him—he left the egg on the counter—this shilling (
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-17" type="given" value="ALBERT"/>ALBERT GREGORY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective E</hi>). On 16th April I was on duty in plain clothes in Chandos Street, and saw the prisoners walking along—I recognised Russell and followed them; when they got to the old Five Station they stopped at the edge of the pavement, and I saw Hardy with something in his hand which he handed to Russell, who went along the street and I lost sight of him—I went towards Mrs. White's shop and saw Hardy at the old Fire Station with his face inwards and something in his hand—I said "What have you got here?"—he made no answer, and I took from his hand three bad shillings separately wrapped in paper—I said "This is counterfeit money"—he said "I did not know it was bad; I have just picked it up on a doorstep"—I took him along the street and saw Russell just coming out of Mrs. White's shop—I pushed him back into the shop and asked Mrs. White what money he had passed—she said "He has just tried to pass a bad shilling"—I</p>
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<p>got assistance and took them to the station—I saw a shilling lying on the carpet; another officer picked it up—I had seen Russell the day before on the Seven Dials; he ran away when he saw me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-18" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY BURROUGHS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 130). On 16th April, about 11 a.m., I was called to Mrs. White's shop and saw Gregory and the two prisoners—Gregory handed Russell to me, I was about to search him and saw this shilling (
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-19" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These four shillings are counterfeit, and from different moulds—bad coins are usually wrapped in paper so that they shall not be rubbed, and they are given out to those who utter them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Hardy says</hi>: "I did not know that they were bad."
<hi rend="italic">Russell says</hi>: "Hardy picked up the paper and I found a shilling in it and went to get an egg to have with a cup of coffee and the lady said it was bad. I did not drop it intentionally, I meant to put it in my pocket." (
<hi rend="italic">They repeated the same statements in their defence.</hi>)</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months' Hard Labour.</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">RUSSELL</hi>(†)—
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<hi rend="italic">Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ERNERT BRERAD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Defended.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-21" type="given" value="CHARLOTTE"/>CHARLOTTE CHEVALLIER</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Whale, who keeps a refreshment house—on the 22nd December the prisoner came in and had sixpennyworth of soup, and a pennyworth of pickled onions—he put down a half-crown and 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on the top of it, I gave him a florin change and he left—I afterwards found the half-crown was bad, and had to forfeit the amount—I marked it, this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—on the 17th April he came again at 9.30 p.m. for sixpennyworth of soup and a pennyworth of pickled onions, and put down a half-crown first and a penny on the top of it—I called my brother, Mr. Whale, who said "Old fellow, this is not the first time, we have been waiting for you"—he did not answer—my brother sent my husband for the Inspector, and the prisoner said he did not know anything about it, he had not been there before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> We do a brisk business and have a good many customers, but he was the last; we were just closing—this is five months ago, but I identify him—we sometimes have ten customers of an evening and sometimes forty—when anything comes to 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and a shilling is ten
<lb/>dered, I never say "Have you got a penny and I will give you sixpence."</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-22" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WHALE</persName> </hi>. I keep a refreshment house at 56, George Street—on the 17th April, about 10.30, the prisoner came in—I was in the parlour—my sister called me and gave me this half-crown—I said to the prisoner, "All right, old man we have been waiting for you, we have had these half-crowns of you before"—he said "I don't know what you mean"—I said "This is a bad half-crown, and you know that this is not the first time you have brought them here"—I asked my brother-in-law to see that he did not escape, and I fetched a constable and charged the prisoner in the shop with uttering bad money—I told him we had one passed by him before, but did not tell him the date—he said nothing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He said that he did not understand me—if a person's</p>
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<p>account comes to 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and he gives me a shilling, I never say "If you have got a penny I will give you sixpence."</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-23" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These two half-crowns are counterfeit and from different moulds.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">of the second uttering. </hi> </rs>
<hi rend="italic">He then</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>**
<hi rend="italic">to a conviction of felony at this Court in August</hi>, 1874.—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRUFURD LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman S</hi>). I have heard Fox's evidence and confirm it—I held the prisoner's left hand continuously till we got to the station.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-27" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These nine florins are bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he picked up the paper and was going to examine it, but seeing the constable he put it in his pocket.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">He then</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">to a conviction of felony at Green
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-28" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>George Smith</persName>.—
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<interp inst="t18840519-555-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi> to stealing, whilst employed in the Post-office, a packet containing a money order, the property of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18840519-555-offence-1 t18840519-name-30"/>Her Majesty's Postmaster General</persName>.—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-555-18840519 t18840519-555-punishment-5"/>Five Years' Penal Servitude. (There was another indictment against the prisoner for a like offence</rs>.</hi>)</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., the property of
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<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18840519-557-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="mail"/> to stealing whilst employed in the Post-office a letter containing a sovereign and 1
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<hi rend="italic">Five years Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18840519-557-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/> [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday and Tuesday, May</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th and</hi> 20
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-558-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi> to em
<lb/>bezzling 110
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 22
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 118
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 31
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
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<hi rend="italic">Judgment respited.</hi> </rs> And</p> </div1>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18840519-562-offence-1 t18840519-name-48"/>Clement Cheese</persName> four cheques for the payment of 450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRAIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Young</hi>;</p>
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<hi rend="italic">defended George and William Robert.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-50" type="given" value="CLEMENT"/>CLEMENT CHEESE</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor, carrying on business at 123, Pall Mall—late in the autumn of 1882 Young called on me, giving the name of W. H. Young—I understood he was connected with the law; a con
<lb/>veyancer—he said "I have some friends in the country, Roberts, builders at Bristol, who have sold some property near there to Sir Herbert Murray; they want a small advance pending the completion of the purchase, can you make it for them?"—he said ho acted for the Robertses—I said "Yes, if the matter is all right, I don't mind doing it"—he then gave me par
<lb/>ticulars of where the titles to the property were to be seen—I said I shall want to apply to the purchaser's solicitors"—he said "Oh yes, you may do so," and gave me their names, Mitchell and Webb, of Bedford—he said the property consisted of some houses at Clevedon, near Bristol—I said "Before I do anything I must see the title to the property and examine it," and he gave me the names of the solicitors who held the title, Messrs. Gander and Son, of Gray's Inn Square, I think—I arranged to go and see the title, and he was to call again—I made inquiries, saw the title, and then wrote to Messrs. Mitchell and Webb, inquiring if they were Sir Herbert Murray's solicitors, and whether they were in
<lb/>structed to carry out this purchase—I got a letter from them saying that the loan referred to had been arranged; in consequence of that the matter dropped, and I did not see them again on it—I cannot recollect for the moment whether I saw Young again in reference to that matter; I think he called in January, 1883, he said "I am sorry that matter</p>
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<p>went off, but I could not help it"—I said "I had a good deal of trouble in it for nothing"—he said "Well, I have another matter which is just about the same, if you like to take it up you may. The same people, Robertses, have sold some property in Bristol to the same purchaser, Sir Herbert Murray; the property is mortgaged, but there is a balance of about 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., part of the purchase money belonging to the Robertses, which will be paid on completion"—I said "I shall have to make in
<lb/>quiries beforehand into the title." and he said "That is down at Bristol"—he said "The Robertses want an advance as before pending the comple
<lb/>tion of the purchase"—I said "If I am satisfied with my inquiries I don't mind making it; I shall require to act for the vendors, the Robertses"—he said "You may do that; they will consent to it when we see them"—we arranged to go down to Bristol to examine the title—I fixed a day when I could go, and he said he would write to the solicitors at Bristol and make appointments—I believe the 24th January was appointed, and I then went to Bristol and met Young there, and we met the two Robertses in the town—I had not seen them before Young introduced them to me, we went to the various solicitors, four firms I think, who had to do with the property, and the deeds were produced and I saw them—I walked by the property with the Robertses; there were four lots I think—Young I believe pointed it out—we were all together I should think two or three hours—there was a general conversation between us—Sir Herbert Murray was undoubtedly spoken of, but I cannot remember whether his name was—I addressed Young as Young—on a subsequent day to the return from Bristol an agreement was shown to me—at Bristol I examined all the titles, looked at the property, and stated I was willing to make this advance pending the completion of the purchase, which was to be at a short date, I believe in April—an appointment was made at my office for the advance—I parted with them at Bristol—during the time I was with them I did not hear either address the other as Murray or Sir Herbert Murray, but I do not wish to speak positively about it, it is a long while ago—I think the 31st January, a week after, was fixed for meeting at my office—on that day the three prisoners came to my office—Young produced this agreement. (
<hi rend="italic">This was for the sale to Sir Herbert Murray of the property at Bristol by the Robertses for</hi> 4,700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., dated 13th January, 1883, 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">part purchase money having been paid into the hands of Young as stakeholder, and contained on the back a receipt signed Murray. The counterpart was signed by George and William Roberts, and there was also a receipt signed by William Young.</hi>) When the two agreements were produced I read one of them, and as I went through it Young made remarks; when I came to the name of Murray he said he was a man whose uncle had recently come home from India or from abroad, and who was allowing him 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year; that he did not want it all to live upon—then he referred to the other matter some time before, and pointed out that the purchase money would be 4,700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., more than sufficient to pay off the first mortgage, and that "Sir Herbert Murray has placed 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in my hands as stakeholder; that will have to go to the Robertses, but of course I cannot part with it now"—I inquired whether he was quite certain that the purchase would be completed on the day named in the contract, and he said, "Certainly then, but probably before, some time"—I said, "It is a short time, I shall not say anything about interest for it, I will put it into the charge, I propose to charge you 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi> </p>
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<p>for completing the whole matter for the Robertses"—the Robertses agreed with my suggestion about the charges, and Young said, "That is very reasonable, I think you might act for the purchaser as well; I shall be seeing him within a few days, and if he has not another solicitor in the matter you could, no doubt, act for both parties"—in going through the agreement I asked if Sir Herbert Murray would be able to complete by the 19th April, because it was a short transaction, and my arrangement about the interest was on the terms that it would be completed then—he said, "Certainly by then, probably some time before, and he again mentioned the fact of his having 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year from the uncle, as showing that he was a man with money and there would be no doubt about the completion at the time I insisted—when the agreements were given to me he pointed out that one was signed by Sir Herbert Murray and the other by the Robertses—when I fixed this sum for carrying out the purchase the Robertses agreed to it—in fact it was much less a sum than any one else charges—it was because I thought it was a matter that would be soon over, and for that reason I made the charge very small—there was some other conversation—Young asked me which agreement I would have; he said, "Here is one signed by Sir Herbert Murray"—he pointed out that he had the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. deposit in hand, and that I should be safe in any case—I said, "I will have this," pointing out the one signed by the purchasers, that being the proper agreement for me to take—there was a memorands of mortgages which I read through to all three—the agreement that I took was signed by Sir Herbert Murray—it bears the receipt of Young for the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the other agreement was retained by Young—I next saw it when it was produced before the Magistrate at the police-court—I suppose it had remained in his possession until then—this memorands of mortgage I prepared and read to them—it is a mortgage of the property in question—at the end the receipts to the previous mortgages were countersigned by the two Robertses in my presence, and in the presence of Charles H. Young, 22, Wood Lane, Shepherd's Bush—Young witnessed the signature at my request—nothing more of importance passed—I have two banking accounts, and I draw on both—these are the four cheques that I drew (
<hi rend="italic">One was for</hi> 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.,
<hi rend="italic">payable to Messrs. G. and W. Roberts or order, on the Union Bank of London, Charing Cross branch, endorsed "G. and W. Roberts; the other was</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.,
<hi rend="italic">payable to the same, on Thomas Butcher and Son; the other for</hi> 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">on the Union, endorsed in the same way, and one for</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.,
<hi rend="italic">payable to Roberts, endorsed in the same way</hi>)—these cheques were paid, and came back in the ordinary way through the bank—with regard to the endorsements I don't remember seeing them endorsed at my office—as time went on I went down to Bristol for the purpose of getting abstracts to complete the purchase—I saw Young on several occasions before I went to Bristol—before he left he promised to see Sir Herbert Murray and to arrange about my acting for him, and he called in about a week or so to say that he had seen him—as the 19th April approached no further steps were taken towards completing the purchase—I kept corresponding with Young and certain solicitors at Bristol, who wanted their mortgages paid off, and who understood that it would be completed before the 19th April—I saw Young about a week after this interview, and he told me he had seen Sir Herbert Murray and he would be glad for me to act for him, and he said, "What will you do it for? You had better fix a sum and write him what you will charge, and I will see if he</p>
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<p>assents to it"—I then prepared this memorandum, saying that I was prepared to carry out the business for him, and Young took it away—I believe it came back through the post, I am not quite certain. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Dear Sir,—I am satisfied with the terms stated. Yours truly, Sir Herbert Murray.") That is dated 1st February, it must have been intended for 1st March—after I had received the retainer, no further steps being taken towards completing, I saw Young and pressed him to give me an opportunity of seeing Sir Herbert Murray, because it was getting serious, as the 19th April had passed—he made various excuses—I said I should go to Bristol to see him—I had begun to press him very much because I was anxious to see Murray; he seemed kept in the background, and I could not communicate with him—I wrote to him on one occasion, begging him to come up and give me the address—he gave me two addresses, one of which he said was sure to find him—one was Clifton Down Hotel, and the other Rock Hotel, Clevedon, Somerset, and from that in Young's presence I proceeded to write two letters—I wrote one letter and read it out, and the other is practically a copy (
<hi rend="italic">These were dated 26th June</hi>, 1883,
<hi rend="italic">pressing for an interview and stating the particulars</hi>)—I posted those letters to the two addresses Young gave me—the second day after I had posted these letters Young called and inquired if I had had any answer—I said "No"—he said, "You will, then, presently"—that day or the next day I received this telegram: "June 29. From Sir Herbert Murray, Bart., Bristol. Have been away, letter received, unable to see you till next week, will then arrange for speedy settlement"—after I had received this telegram my two letters came back from the Dead Letter Office—one came back some time before the other, I believe one came back as late as 4th August, the other came back shortly after the telegram—I saw Young, I think, before 4th August—I had become very suspicious when no Sir Herbert Murray came or wrote, and on one occasion when Young came I said, "I am resolved to find this man, because he does not write or make any communication, and I shall find him"—he said, "Well, where shall you find him?"—I said, "In the first place I shall go to Bristol, I know that the telegram has come from there"—he said, "Well, it is of no use keeping this on any longer, the fact is I am Murray"—I think this was rather before the second letter came back through the Dead Letter Office, at all events it was about the end of July—when he said, "I am Murray," I said, "It is a very serious matter, and I must consider this"—then he went into some long explanation about having used the name of Young because of the uncle, I don't quite remember—he was quite sure it would be all right, that money was coming, he was receiving 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year, and it was only a matter of a few days, that he was impelled by necessity to use the deception—after that I sent a registered letter to the Robertses; that did not come back again; I did not get an answer to it—after that I con
<lb/>suited Messrs. Wontner, and a summons was taken out—Young kept on his excuses for some time, begging me to wait a few days—I gave him every opportunity; I waited a day or two—he did not come, so I saw Mr. Wontner about it—this is the letter I wrote (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>): "25th July. As there has been very great delay in completing the purchase of this property, I beg to give you notice I request immediate payment of the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. advanced to you; the money is now urgently required, I must insist on payment forthwith"—to that letter I got no answer; the</p>
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<p>Robertses did not communicate with me at all in any way—on the return of the summons Young did not appear, and on 31st December I obtained a warrant—on or about 27th January I met him, in the street—I remained with him till I saw a constable, and then gave him in custody—he said at the Court there was no warrant out, and the officer told him there was—the warrant was not just at hand, I believe—after he was arrested on the warrant he was admitted to bail—the Robertses were summoned then, and they appeared—I think Young did not appear at Bow Street after he was bailed; the case was adjourned on the statement that he was not well—he sent this letter saying he would commit suicide—I remember it being spoken of, I did not see it at the time—after that he was Seen by a medical man, and he did appear—at the interview when I parted with my money to the Robertses I believed the statement in the agreement that Young held 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in deposit—I have never received a farthing of my money.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRAIN</hi>. I parted with my money partly on the faith of the agreement—that had a great deal to do with it—before I parted with anything I went and made careful inquiries as to the title of the property on the spot; I mean to say I made inquiries as to whether the vendors had a good title to the property they had to sell, and I found they had a sufficient title to warrant my advancing the money—I took no measures to ascertain the value of the pro
<lb/>perty—I saw the property, and found that there was sufficient to satisfy my amount of 500a,
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I was satisfied that I would be safe to take a second charge in respect of my 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I took one—I con
<lb/>sidered the agreement was the security—I did not consider whether the second charge on the property was sufficient to hold me safe an regards the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I did not go into figures at all—I was bound to take the mortgage to secure the payment of the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—if I had found the title was not good I certainly should not have lent it—that was the condition on which I agreed to lend it—I have not heard that the property has been since valued by a competent valuer—I have never caused it to be valued—I wrote to the solicitors for the mortgages to inquire if they thought there was any margin, and the reply was to the effect that there was not, in fact they had taken possession of the property and sold some of it—they told me there was a mortgage of 1,800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—Young told me that there was a margin of 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he pointed that out when the money was advanced—it was later than 29th June when Young said "I am Murray"—I think it was about the middle of July, but I cannot speak without my book—I have sent for it—Young said that he did not want it to come to the uncle's ears that he, as Sir Herbert Murray, was dealing in property, and that therefore he had adopted the name of Young—he said he was receiving 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from the uncle, and expected an instalment shortly—I did not go to Bow Street or Mr. Wontner's at once because he begged me not to take any steps, and I proposed that if he could properly explain the matter and pay the money it had better remain—if the money had been paid off according to the mortgage I should have accepted it—I should not have treated it as a debt; it was a question of repayment of money advanced on the agreement—if the money had been paid off, even after he had told me this, I should have accepted it—I did not treat it then as a criminal offence—I was not then absolutely certain that he was not Murray; I</p>
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<p>believed that he was—he told me then that he was Murray, and that Young was a different person—if I had seen there was a proper explana
<lb/>tion of the circumstances I should have accepted the money—if he had told me that he was obliged to use this name to keep his uncle in the dark, I should have considered that a proper explanation, if there had been real grounds for it—50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. would have been the amount I should have got out of this transaction; I should have got something from Murray—it was expected to last from January to April 19—I should have got 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from Roberts and 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from Murray—I have got no letters of Young in which he, as Young, was to pay me 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; he was never to pay me 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., that I am positive of—I am sure that I should not have got a farthing more than the 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. The money was lent on 31st January—it was to be repaid on 19th April—I was to receive nothing for the advance of the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., only 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for my charges, and 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for my convey
<lb/>ance to Murray—the interest was a trifle, not worth mentioning—before parting with my money I made no inquiries about Sir Herbert Murray, except what Young told me—this is not the first financial transaction I have had in lending money—if a client wants an advance I am prepared to advance it—I am in the habit of lending money to clients—I have been a solicitor about twelve years—it never occurred to me to look in the baronetage, or to ask Young if there was such a person as Murray—on the first occasion he was quite a stranger to me; that was when he said the property had been sold to Sir Herbert Murray—that was a similar transaction to this—I said I would think the matter over about lending the money, and I said "I shall write to Sir Herbert Murray's solicitors and make inquiries"—I was satisfied with what they said, and the matter was arranged—the date of this transaction was November or December, 1882—I did not hear anything more of Murray or Young till January, 1883, when I entertained this proposition—he told me that the uncle of Sir Herbert Murray was at Bath—I went to Bristol—I made inquiries at Bath—the fact is, the first matter having gone through all right, I never had any suspicions that Young was any
<lb/>thing but what he represented himself, and to a certain extent he imposed on me—I received a great quantity of letters from Young; I have got them here—he first commenced to correspond with me as Young immediately after 31st January, 1883—that is a letter in the hand-writing of Young (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I have received a great many letters in the same handwriting—I first suspected that Young and Murray were the same person about July, 1883; not until then—it did not occur to me to look at the back part of the return letter to see whether it was in the writing of Sir Herbert Murray—it did not strike me that this letter of the 1st February purporting to be signed by Sir Herbert, and the one written by Young, 22nd January, 1883, were written by the same person—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the letter I wrote to Young—I gave it to Young when he called—he called twice—on the 31st January he said "Sir Herbert Murray will no doubt let you carry out the matter for him, I will see him and find if he has another solicitor"—he called on the 9th February, and at that interview I arranged with him for carrying the matter out for Sir Herbert Murray, and wrote it down and delivered him the letter; afterwards it came back with the answer—it was a letter written to Murray, not to Young—I believed that</p>
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<p>Young had written it—it did not strike me that the endorsement at the top to the letter was in Young's handwriting—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is a letter I wrote to Murray—I received it back—it did not strike me that the writing at the top was in Young's writing—it subsequently struck me that the writing on the agreement and the signature were the same, it first struck me about the beginning of July, I will tell you how it was; knowing that Mr. Webb, the solicitor, had seen Sir Herbert Murray, I showed him this agreement, and I said was that Sir Herbert Murray's signature; he said yes, it was—in July I went to Mr. Webb, I will not say the exact date, that was when I suspected the two signatures—I went to him, I showed him this agreement, and said "Is that Sir Herbert Murray's signature?"—he said yes, it was—I said "I don't quite like the look of the matter, there seems a great similarity between the signatures," and he said "It occurs to me so too"—nothing more passed between us—I believe this conversation took place about the beginning of July, but I cannot speak to the exact date—when I said I did not like the look of it I said the signatures looked very much alike, I did not like the look of things at all; I gave him to understand that I thought they were written by the same person—I have given the whole of that conversation as near as I can; there was probably more—Mr. Webb did not tell me at that time that he had known for some time that Young and Murray were the same person; he said he suspected it—he agreed with me in what I suggested, that they were the same—I went to Mr. Webb because I considered he was acting for Murray—I do not think he gave me any reason for suspecting that they were the same person—I believe he said something to this effect, "Yes, it looks very much like, I should advise you to look out," that was practically all he said—when Roberts told me that Murray was a man in receipt of 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year from his uncle, I did not ask for the uncle's address at Bath; I did not ask any questions—I think I went to Bath about a week before the loan was actually made—I met Young at the station, and in the town I saw the Robertses—I do not know how they addressed him, I do not know that they said a word about it—I was in their company about two or three hours—I had no suspicions then that Young was Murray—I went to the solicitors and found that the amounts of the mortgages and interest were about the same as Young had stated to me—I saw the deeds that referred to the property—I went to the separate properties and looked at them, we had just time, we walked round, and he said "That is one, and that is the other"—Murray was always spoken of as a distinct in
<lb/>dividual—I went to Bristol a second time, after the advance, and I then carefully examined the deeds with reference to the sale by Roberts to Murray, and ordered the abstracts to be sent to me—I did not then suggest to Young to put me in communication with Murray, but some time before April I did, I forget quite when that happened—I said before the Magistrate "The abstracts came in due course, and as the 19th of April approached I suggested seeing Murray, and then Young said 'The purchase money will be forthcoming at once'"—the solicitors to the mortgagees lived at Bristol—I think it was between the return of the two letters that I looked at the signatures to the agreements, and was struck with the similarity—I think Mr. Webb called on me about some
<lb/>thing, and I then showed the signatures to him—I am not quite sure</p>
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<p>whether it was at my office or his—a good many letters passed between me and Young between 19th April and July.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> My reasons for lending the money were that Young said he had 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in hand which would belong to the Robertses and which would repay my advance, and that there was an amount of 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. due to the mortgagees which the amount for which the property was sold would give a margin—there was no margin; the property would not now sell for the amount of the mortgages, the mortgagees have sold it—Young took away the retainer for the purpose of getting it signed by Sir Herbert Murray, and when it came back I believed the signature to be Sir Herbert Murray's—I considered that Young had written the formal part—the signature of Murray to the agreement resembles that to the retainer—I did not look at the retainer again after I received it till after these proceedings were taken, it turned up among the letters—I did not pay particular attention to it when it arrived—I had not noticed the date till it was remarked upon before the Magis
<lb/>trate—this was the only agreement I had possession of—that was the only one on which Mr. Webb had the conversation with me, he was looking at these two signatures and no others—there were four different titles to this property, complicated, heavy titles—I was to do all the legal work for 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., that is much less than is allowed by the Incor
<lb/>porated Law Society—there was never any question about interest, I said should charge no interest, I should be sufficiently paid by the charges—I looked at the signature to the second agreement that was produced by Young at the police-court—the signature of the Robertses was afterwards admitted to the second agreement—it was stated to be a forgery to begin with; the Magistrate then looked at it with the cheques, and said that it was undoubtedly the same signature as the endorsement to the cheques—neither of the Robertses said that they had seen Young write as Herbert Murray—these agreements are dated the same, they are counterparts, witnessed by the same person—they were evidently signed at the same time, as agreements usually are—the signature is G. and W. Roberts—it is an illiterate signature—there is a great similarity in the signatures to the two agreements.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. I believe it was the Robertses' solicitors who said it was a forgery; the Robertses did not deny it—I don't think they said it—they made many observations—I think I saw Mr. Burgess, of the firm of Burgess and Laurence, at Bristol, when I examined the deeds—I did not tell him that I had seen the property; I don't think I had seen it; I think I saw the deeds first—I don't think I said I had seen the property and was quite satisfied with the value; I cannot remember having said anything of the kind—I was satisfied with the value of the property at that time—I did not see a Mr. Munro, an architect, there—I saw a Mr. Barnett—I did not have any conversation with him as to the property; I am reasonably certain about that—I don't think I spoke about the value of the property to any of them—I went on the legal value of the title, the value may have cropped up—I went down to see the deeds.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-51" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES CARSTAIRS</persName> </hi>. I am chief cashier at the Charing Cross Branch of the Union Bank of London—Mr. Cheese had an account at that bank—this cheque for 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was paid by me across the counter in twenty 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes numbered 21824 to 21843, and ten 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes, 30998 to 31107—</p>
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<p>this 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. cheque was paid by the London and South-Western Bank and charged to Mr. Cheese's account.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-52" type="given" value="ORMSBY"/>ORMSBY HILL</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the Bank of England—I produce thirteen 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes, 21824, 21831, 21833, 21834, 21835, 21836, 21837, 21838, 21839, 21840, 21841, 21842, and 21843—eleven of them came from Bristol; four of them have the name of Roberts on them—I have nine 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes numbered 30998, 30999, 31,000, 31002, 31003, 31004, 31005, 31006, and 31007, six of which came back through the Bristol Bank; four have the name of Roberts on the back—the other notes are outstanding.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-53" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD MURPHY</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the London and South-Western Bank, Shepherd's Bush Branch—these three cheques for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and 125
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. were cleared through our bank to W. H. Young—he had no account there—We allow people to clear cheques and charge them a commission—having cleared the cheques I allowed him to draw these two cheques, 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the amount. (
<hi rend="italic">These were signed W.H. Young.</hi>)</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-54" type="given" value="FREDRICK WILLIAM"/>FREDRICK WILLIAM WEBB</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor of 5. Waterloo Place, Pall Mall, and at Bedford, where I have a partner—I knew Young or Murray some few days before 18th December, 1882, when I saw him alone at my office in Waterloo Place—he said he was Sir Herbert Murray, and came in reference to a conveyance of some property at Clevedon from the Messrs. Roberts—he produced a contract between the Robertses and himself for the sale of three houses at Clevedon, Somersetshire, and he asked me to act for him in the matter—he said "The Robertses require a temporary loan of 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. until the Completion"—on 18th December the three defendants came together, and the Robertses executed a mort
<lb/>gage upon the property to a client of mine named Hall for 450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the agree
<lb/>ment for the sale at that time was in my possession—the prisoner was addressed as Sir Herbert Murray in the Robertses' presence—he did not make any signature in their presence—nothing was said about the use the property was to be put to—the Robertses then executed a mortgage for 460
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., subject to the sum of 2,300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., which I believe had already been advanced by Mr. Goodwin, the owner of the ground rents, on an equitable mortgage which conveyed the land subject to the fee ground rent—I handed the cash to the Robertses and they went away—on that day I received a retainer from the Robertses to act as their solicitor in the matter of the conveyance to Sir Herbert Murray of the three houses at Clevedon, and they signed this retainer (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—on the same day, a letter having come from my Bedford house, I wrote this letter to Mr. Cheese about a temporary loan, which I said I might as well do—I cannot say if Mr. Cheese's name was mentioned at this interview—the name of Young turned up at no time except on the visit to Clevedon in the beginning of January with reference to the deposit of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. paid on the property—I then asked William Roberts who Young was (I think George was not present)—he said he was an estate agent down at Shepherd's Bush—the business was completed on May 10th or 11th, 1883, I believe—I first heard on 6th June, 1883, at Bristol, that Sir Herbert Murray had used the name of Young—I did not speak to either of the prisoners about it—I cannot fix the date, but at a meeting of the directors of the proposed Walton Hotel Company Murray suggested that the three houses should be used at an hotel until the hotel was com
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<p>—all this time I knew him and he was treated by the Robertses as Murray—I went to Mr. Cheese's office on other business, and he showed me this agreement with Murray's and Robertses' signatures on it—I cannot say when that was—my attention had been directed to the question of Murray being Young before that at Bristol—at a meeting of directors one proposed director refused to serve because he had heard that Murray had assumed another name, and asked me to go to a firm of solicitors who had the letters in which Young's name appeared, and I went there with Mr. Goodwin—after I had seen the letter and the signature I asked Murray to account for using the name of Young—he told me he simply used the name when he applied to Salt and Parnell to obtain the loan on the Clevedon property on better terms; this was on June 6th, 1883, at the meeting of the directors of the Walton Hotel, which was to be put up at Clevedon adjoining this land—Murray was a director.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. I believed at the time that Murray used the name of Young because he thought he could get the loan on better terms—he completely imposed on me, as he has on all of them, only I happened to get my money back—I had not the slightest idea up to June 6th that he was an impostor—I have made a mistake, it was a few days before 21st May, I should think, when I first heard that Murray and Young were the same person, when I saw the Robertses—I cannot remember what date I was at Mr. Cheese's office and saw the signature, it was long after 6th June—I cannot remember telling Cheese then that I had written to Sir Herbert Murray in May, telling him I suspected him to be Young—I had written to Young in May, stating that I had reason to believe that he and Murray were the same person; he contradicted it—Mr. Cheese showed me a document in his office in July—I don't remember a comparison of the signatures being made—he showed me two documents, one supposed to be in Murray's handwriting, and the other in Young's, and said he strongly suspected they were written by one person—I cannot remember if at that time he led me to believe that Murray and Young were the same person—I cannot say what was said, I took no notice of it—the document was just shown to me—he knew I was Murray's solicitor—he told me at one time he had a shrewd suspicion by looking at the signatures, that Murray and Young were the same person, but I cannot recollect when that was—I don't know why I did not tell Mr. Cheese that they were the same person when he made there inquiries—I did not tell him I had written to Young in May, 1883—Murray was a client of mine, and I thought when this interview between myself and Mr. Cheese took place that he had done wrong, and assumed a false name—I Implicitly believed he was Sir Herbert Murray down to the time this prosecution was instituted, in November, 1883—after I wrote to him in May, 1883, he gave me an explanation, and reinstated my opinion, and I believed that he was Sir Herbert Murray up to 1884, and so did plenty of others—I knew him also in the name of Sir Herbert Murray Herbert—I received letters from him in both names—I asked him as to it, and he explained the use of the Herbert at Bristol, and gave me a long family history—I thoroughly believed it; we all did at Bristol—I prepared a deed for the conveyance of this property; Mr. Harris, of Cannes, the mortgagee, has it—I should think I had six or seven interviews with the Robertses when Murray was present—there was</p>
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<p>only one up to January 31st, when both Robertses and Murray were present—that interview was in reference to the loan of 450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and the appointment of myself as solicitor—Mitchell, a former articled clerk of mine, introduced Sir Herbert Murray to me—Major Furnival is a com
<lb/>mission agent, at 5, Waterloo Place, in the same room that I am—he obtained the loan of 3,750
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from Harris for Murray—I have not seen Mr. Furnival here—it was not done through my office, I acted as solicitor for Sir Herbert Murray—Mr. Furnival is not in my office, he merely has a seat there, he is in no way connected with me; he pays part of the rent—the matter of the loan was not introduced through him, he obtained the loan and I paid him—no money passed in my office, the matter was completed at Bristol—I prepared the deed and saw the 3,750
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. pass—I prepared a conveyance from Roberta to Murray, which is in the hands of the mortgagees—it was in consideration of 5,250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—that was not paid—nothing went through my hands—when the conveyance was engrossed I said to the Robertses "There is 5,250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to be paid for your houses; you have 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. deposit, am I to receive that money for you?"—they said "We have arranged with Sir Herbert Murray about that sum, he has been making advances from time to time on the Hornsey property, and we have arranged for the disposition of that money, you have nothing to do with it"—I said "Very well," and simply executed the conveyance—I do not know that Mr. Furnival introduced the business and was to receive 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the negotiation—I know Murray gave him a commission of 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. with regard to that very property—he received it, I gave it to him out of the money I received from the mortgagee, at Murray's request—I did not hand him 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—certain costs had to be paid to Harris—I forget the sum I gave him—the balance about 2,300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I paid to Messrs. Salt and Parnell, the equitable mortgagees, that was the amount, charged on the property—I took an undertaking from Sir Herbert Murray to pay 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. odd to Salt and Parnell, leaving a balance of 202
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., for which he told me to write a cheque and hand it to the Robertses, which I did—some time in May, before I wrote that latter, Roberts told me he had never received a penny from Murray or Young of the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I acquainted "Murray of the fact, and he produced an account showing sums he had for them, and ultimately they came with him and said it was all right, they had settled the whole matter—they satisfied me, subject to the Robertses' explanation—I think I told them that I saw on the contract for the purchase of the Clevedon property that Mr. Young purported to receive a deposit of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—they led me to believe Young and Murray Were the same person—I cannot remember what then took place—I have lent other money on mortgage to clients; none of them through Major Furnival—this is not the only transaction I have had through him since he has had a seat in my office; I can't say about how many—I don't know that I have had any except this through him—I did not look in the Baronetage for the name of Murray; he was introduced to me by Golding and Mitchell, solicitors, of Southampton Street—I made no further in
<lb/>quiries then, or when I saw he was Sir Herbert Murray Herbert—I believed him to be Sir Herbert Murray.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I got back my 450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and another 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. when the purchase was completed—that would be the Monday after May 1st, 1883—the Robertses did not execute the conveyance in the presence of Murray—the Robertses would execute first—I attested it in the presence of all three—</p>
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<p>I attested the Robertses' signature—I think no one else was present than except myself—that was about 5th May—it was engrossed on parchment and read to both the Robertses, and then I got my money back, and there was an end of that matter—the 3,750
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. advanced by Harris to Murray was the same money that went to pay off the money on the Clevedon property—I did not know the third prisoner by any name but Murray up to May 11th. (
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">read a letter from the witness to Murray, which stated that he found Young was none other than himself and that Roberts informed him he had not received a penny of the</hi> 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.) After that letter he came with the Robertses and gave such explanation as made me believe he was Sir Herbert Murray—I cannot fix the amount that the accounts showed the Robertses had received—the accounts explained that Murray had made certain payments for them, including the payments he had made on the equitable mortgage to Messrs. Parnell and Salt—the purchase money of the three houses was originally 2,550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; it had nothing to do with the hotel—on the statement that the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. had been absorbed Roberts said they were satisfied with the arrangement—I continued to believe in Murray down to the time of going before the Magistrate.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-55" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD SIMMONDS</persName> </hi>. I know Young—I knew him in 1879; he was then passing by the name of William Henry Churchill Spencer Court-nay Young.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-56" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE MILLER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 251). On 10th November I took a summons and went with it to the Limes, Wood Lane, Shepherd's Bush, and left it there with an elderly lady who gave the name of Mrs. Hall; I afterwards saw her at the police-court.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-57" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER FLOYD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 80). About 4 o'clock in the afternoon of 29th January I was called by Mr. Cheese in New Street, St. Martin's Lane, and he gave Young into my custody.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-58" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN LANGRISH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi>). I found on Young this prospectus and two envelopes addressed, "Sir H. M. Herbert, Bart., The Limes, Shepherd's Bush."</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner Young, on</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRAIN'S</hi>
<hi rend="italic">application, was permitted to make his own statement to the Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM ROBERTS</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MAXSEY</hi>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">RUST</hi>
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<hi rend="italic"> During the examination of the first witness</hi>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>,
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 20
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLUER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Hogan.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-67" type="given" value="ADA"/>ADA ELSDEN</persName> </hi>. I live at Mr. Norman's, a tobacconist's—on 11th April; between 3 and 4 p.m., my sister and I were in the shop, and Davis came in for twopennyworth of sweets, and put down a florin—I said we had not got any change—he said, "I will go and get some change"—I said, "You can have coppers"—he said, "I will have coppers"—I gave him 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers—I put the coin in the till; there was no other florin there—Mr. Norman came in and examined it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Davis.</hi> My sister gave you the sweets; she is not here.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-68" type="given" value="CLARA"/>CLARA WALKER</persName> </hi>. I am Mrs. Norman's nurse at 5, Henry Street, a sweetstuff and tobacconist's shop—on 18th April, about 11.30 a.m., I was serving in the shop, and Marks came in for half an ounce of tobacco, which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a florin—I tried it with my teeth—he said, "You have no need to try it, it is a good one"—I gave him the change, and he left—Mr. Norman came in, and I gave it to him—he found it was bad, and went out after Marks and brought him back—he said he had not got any more about him, only a penny—Mr. Norman gave him in custody—this is the coin.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-69" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY NORMAN</persName> </hi>. On 18th April I was crossing the road and saw Marks come out of my shop; I went in and received a bad florin from Mrs. Walker—in consequence of what she said I turned round Townsend Road and saw Marks, Hogan, and Thorpe standing together about 100 yards from my shop—I took Marks by the collar, and said "You will have to come back to my shop for passing a bad florin"—the others then ran away—Marks said "You can search me; I have no more about me"—I said "No, your friends have got them"—I took him into the shop and gave him into custody—on the 24th, when I was talking to the inspector at the police-court, I saw Hogan and Davis in custody, and said as to Hogan "That is the man"—I went into the station and said that I wanted Hogan for running away from Marks—he said "You perisher, your life will not be worth twopence when I come out; I will do for you"—I said "Your threats wont intimidate me from coming to-morrow against you at the police-court; I shall come"—it was about 3.5 on the 24th when Hogan was taken—I was at the police-court on 25th and 26th, and saw him again—I saw Thorpe the next night, Friday, and picked him out from about sixteen—he said "Yes, I was with him"—on 11th April, Good Friday, I came home, and Ada Elsden showed me a florin which was in the till—there was no other florin there—I found it was bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Marks.</hi> I took you at 11.45 punctually, because I was going to see my men—you had got a clay pipe.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLUER</hi>. The moment I took Marks by his collar Hogan ran, and he was out of sight before I got round the corner—I don't know whether he said "Your life won't be worth a penny or two
<lb/>pence"—I used the same words at the police-court as I do now. (
<hi rend="italic">The witness's deposition stated</hi>; "Your life will not be worth a penny when I</p>
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<p>come out; you'll perish.") This is my signature—the deposition was read over to me—he said "You perisher"—when I saw the three men together they were sharing the tobacco or the money, I cannot say which, because Marks had his back to me—they were all three with their hands together; I say that because he had tobacco in one hand and the change in the other when I took him—the tobacco was undone; I believe he had eighteenpence in silver and some coppers in his hand—he offered it to me—I did not take it; the constable did.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman S</hi> 486). On the morning of 18th April I was on duty at the corner of Henry Street, near Mr. Norman's shop—I was called, and found Marks detained there; this coin was shown me"—Marks said "You can search me now; I have no more money about me—I searched him and found a penny in his pocket and a shilling, a six
<lb/>pence, and fourpence in his hand—he gave a right address.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Marks.</hi> The tobacco was loose in your waistcoat-pocket—I did not see it in your hand in the shop—I also found in your pocket a knife, a clay pipe, and a pawnticket.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-71" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD COLES</persName> </hi>. I live at 15, William Street, Portland Town—on 24th April I saw Hogan, Davis, and Thorpe on the path of the canal bridge, St. John's Wood—Davis gave something to Hogan and Thorpe; they left and went towards the post-office in High Street—Thorpe went in and came out and gave Hogan some stamps—I saw the stamps—Davis had been watching me previous to that—I went into the post-office and Wilson showed me a bad half-crown—I followed the prisoners, and spoke to S 332—Davis turned and saw me; Thorpe went down Lodge Road, and Davis and Hogan ran down North Bank—they stopped in the middle of the bank—when the constable came up I had not lost sight of them—Davis ran for about half a mile; I ran after him and caught him—the constable went the other way and took Hogan—he met them face to face—Davis threw away these papers (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) as he ran—I did not stop to pick them up—I took him by the collar and gave him in custody—I saw Thorpe next morning, and picked him out from twelve or fifteen others in a room at the back of the Court.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLUER</hi>. Hogan did not cross the road at all—he was not on the same side of the road as North Bank—I was interested in him because I had seen him with thieves before—I am a grocer's assistant, but have not got employment now—when I want 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I can always get it from my father—I was going to see my brother at Shore
<lb/>ditch—Hogan had to cross the road from the post-office after he had purchased the stamps, but not before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Davis.</hi> I picked up the papers twenty minutes after
<lb/>wards and am sure they are what you threw away—it was not a packet.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Thorpe.</hi> It was 3 o'clock when I saw you as near as I can tell—it was not somebody like you—it is not a got-up case, you were taken in the act—I can walk from St. John's Wood to Star Street, Paddington, in ten minutes, and you can do it quicker, because you can run.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-72" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH WATSON</persName> </hi>. I live at the post-office, 2, High Street, St. John's Wood, and assist there—it is on the opposite side to North Bank—on the 24th April, about 3 p.m., Thorpe came in for three shillings' worth of stamps and handed me this half-crown and a penny—after he left I tried</p>
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<p>it and found it was bad—doles then came in and I showed it to him, he went out again—the constable afterwards brought Hogan into the office, at the time Thorpe came in there was nobody else there—I had never seen Thorpe before—I was taken to the police-court and picked Thorpe out from twenty or thirty others.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLUER</hi>. When Hogan was brought in the policeman asked me if that was the man who purchased the stamps—I said "No, I know nothing whatever about him," and he let him go.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman A</hi> 332). On the 24th April, about 3 o'clock, I was in Park Road, St. John's Wood, and saw Hogan, Thorpe, and Davis—Coles said something to me, they saw that and ran away—I followed Thorpe; he ran up Lodge Road, and Davis and Hogan up North Bank—Coles ran after them—I did not catch Thorpe, but ran into Lodge Place and met Hogan and Davis—Coles said "That is one, collar him," and I collared Hogan, and Coles chased Davis and took him and handed him to another constable—I then took Hogan to the post-office and afterwards to the station, and at the cell Davis said to Hogan "What a good Job they did not spoil me for Good Friday," and afterwards he laid "I have flung three half-crowns away"—I searched Hogan and found on him six shillings' worth of postage stamps, two shillings, one florin, four sixpences, and eight pence good money—I picked up these pieces of paper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) not far from the canal bridge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLUER</hi>. When I first saw Hogan they were standing at the bottom of North Bank on the right-hand side as you go down to Marylebone, on the opposite side to the post-office, which is in High Street—Lower William Street is close to the post-office on the farther side from the City—I did not let Hogan go at the poet-office, I said "Probably it may be a mistake," and we went outside—he stayed with me willingly.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Davis.</hi> The paper is what the base coin is wrapped up in—I did not find any coins.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-74" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM RECORD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant D</hi>). On the 25th April, about 8 p.m., I saw Thorpe in Praed Street, Paddington, and told him I should take him in custody on suspicion of being concerned with Charles Marks and others in custody for uttering—he said "All right, I'll come"—he was taken to Portland Koad Police-station, and placed with several lads of similar appearance and was immediately identified by Norman—he was then charged—I had seen him on the previous day in Market Street, Paddington, at 3.30, and again in Star Street, Edgware Road, about 3.50 or 4 o'clock, just going indoors—Market Street is 300 or 400 yards from Radnor Place—he entered his house at 4 o'clock, just as I came out of the stable—that is half a mile from the spot in question, and from the post-office in St. John's Wood to Radnor Place would be twenty minutes' easy walk.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Thorpe.</hi> You got into an archway, and afterwards I saw you again standing at your door—I had an appointment at 4 o'clock, at our station, and I am positive of the time—there are several clocks' there, and there is one in Star Street hanging out, I am positive it was between 4 and 4.10 when I saw you at your door—I did not arrest you because I knew nothing about your being wanted—I arrested you as soon as the matter was circulated—I did not search you on the Monday in Conduit Place.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> He Was hastening down Market Street from the direction of Edgware Road, and he went under the archway of a stone place which I was in, and when I came out I saw him at his door.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-75" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these two florins and this half-crown are counterfeit—this paper bears the impression of a florin or half-crown—it is usual for utterers to wrap the coins in paper to keep them from rubbing, and when they an wanted they are taken out and rubbed on the trousers and coat.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for Thorps.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-76" type="given" value="HARRIET"/>HARRIET THORPE</persName> </hi>. I am Thorpe's mother—on the 24th April I was at 13, Radnor Place, from 3 to half-past, and my son went out with the page boy at Drew's, where I am cooking.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He came to me about 3.15 or 3.20</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-77" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM THORPE</persName> </hi>. I am Thorpe's father, and am a butler out of em
<lb/>ployment—I live at 3, Star Street—on 24th April, Thorpe came in at 4.30 or 4.40 o'clock and said he had been to see his mother, and saw Detective Record come out of Fox's Yard and thought he had a new overcoat on.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-78" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED HITCHINS</persName> </hi>. I am a page boy at 13, Radnor Place—on 24th April I met Thorpe in Radnor Place at 3 o'clock, and he went with me into the house.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I carry a watch, I did not look at it; but we have dinner between 2 and half-past, and I went out directly afterwards—we are always punctual to our dinner—he was standing in Radnor Place when I met him, I swear that.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. I did not look at the dock, I merely infer that it was 3 o'clock—I went out as soon as I had had my dinner—he went with me to several places.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-79" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA BLACK</persName> </hi>. My husband is a hair-dresser of 3, Star Street—I saw Thorpe there at 4.30 p.m. on 24th April.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MARKS</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">on second count.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HOGAN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THORPE</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">on the first three counts.</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HOGAN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-564-18840519 t18840519-564-punishment-15"/>Two Years' Hard Labour.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THOEPE</hi>**—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def4-564-18840519 t18840519-564-punishment-16"/>Three Months' Hard Labour.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">DAVIS</hi>
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<interp inst="t18840519-564-verdict-3" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-83" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BUTT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Sergeant</hi>). On 2nd May, about 11.30 a.m., I saw the two prisoners in Westbourne Grove—I watched them—Pavey went into No. 96—Mackrell remained on the opposite side, and Pavey</p>
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<p>touched his hat to him as a signal before entering—I took hold of Mackrell and said, "I am a police-officer, I have been watching you some time, there is something wrong," and took him across to No. 96—while I was holding him two shillings rolled down his trousers' leg on to the pavement—I picked them up—they were bad—he then threw a parcel into the road which was picked up by a witness—it contained three bad half-crowns—I said "That is what I thought"—he said that he gave them to him to hold—a crowd assembled, and I took Mackrell into the chemist's shop and saw Pavey standing at the counter with a shilling in his hand, which he immediately put into his purse on seeing me and took out a penny—I was in plain clothes—I said "You will both be charged together with having counterfeit coin in your possession"—Pavey said "I came in here to buy a penny power"—I sent for a constable—I took Mackrell, and on the way to the station he said "I met him this morning; he told me he had some bad money and asked me to go to Westbourne Grove and hold it while he went into the shop and changed it"—I searched Pavey at the station and found 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in good silver, two bad shillings, and 7 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-84" type="given" value="LABAN"/>LABAN EGAN</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk, and live at Broadale-Road, Westbourne Park—on 2nd May about 11.30 I saw Mackrell in custody in Westbourne Grove—he threw a newspaper parcel into the road, which I picked up and handed to the sergeant—I saw it opened—it contained these three half-crowns (
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<lb/>ing, in one hand, and an open purse in the other—he put the coin into his purse and took out a penny and asked for a penny powder—the constable then came in.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Pavey.</hi> It was a brass-rimmed purse like this (
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-85" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These three half-crowns and two shillings are bad—the two shillings found on Pavey are bad and from the same mould, and from the same mould as one Mackrell had.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Pavey in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that the money was given to him while Mackrell was with him, and that he did not know it was bad. Mackrell stated that Pavey gave him the coins to hold and he was going to throw them away when they fell down the leg of his trousers.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-565-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by the Jury, and the Rev. Mr. Wheatley promised to assist him. The</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-89" type="given" value="FREDERICK GEORGE"/>FREDERICK GEORGE HURST</persName> </hi>. I live at 53, Radnall Terrace—towards the end of February I saw Anderson outside King's Cross Station between 7 and 8 o'clock—he went up to several gentlemen and asked them questions, and then he asked me if I could oblige him with change for a half-crown—I said "Yes, where is the half-crown?"—he gave it to me—I felt it was bad and said "I shall give you in custody for</p>
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<p>attempting to change a bad half-crown"—he ran up Taragona Road—I marked the coin "P.H."—on 30th April I identified the prisoner in the dock at the police-court.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-90" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER TARGETT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Sergeant Y</hi>). On the evening of 25th April I was on duty in Seven Sisters Road in plain clothes, and saw the three prisoners walking and talking together—I watched them and saw Burrow leave Smith and Anderson; he returned in three or four minutes, they had some conversation, and walked on to Sussex Road; Smith then left them and was away about four minutes; he returned to them and they walked up Hornsey Road to Mitford Road, where Smith left them again and rejoined them in about five minutes—they returned to Grove Road, where Anderson left the others and returned—they went down Grove Road and I missed them for twenty minutes or half an hour, but found them in Holloway Road, a quarter of a mile off—I saw Anderson leave the others and rejoin them—they went into the Half Moon; I ran to the Nag's Head and got the assistance of the man on the point, and on going back met the prisoners—I caught hold of Smith and the constable detained the others—I searched Smith and found a good florin and 11 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—Burrow refused to be searched and I searched him at the station and found in his pocket a half-crown loose—I said "This is counterfeit"—he said "You have got them all"—I made a further search and found four more bad half-crowns wrapped up separately in the breast pocket of his coat; I also found on him a loaf of bread, five keys, a box of adhesive matter, a book, and a good shilling—I found on Anderson 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze—Burrow and Smith said that they had no home, but Smith gave an address in Long Acre at a common lodging-house.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined, by Burrow.</hi> You did not say "What
<hi rend="italic">a cop</hi>"—you said "You have got them all"—
<hi rend="italic">a cop</hi> is a catch I suppose—one of the five coins found on you was defaced; that was the one tested by Kate Smith and given back to you.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-91" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN GRAWOOD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman YR</hi> 38). I have heard Targett's evidence, it is correct—I heard Burrow say "You have got the lot."</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-92" type="given" value="KATE"/>KATE SMITH</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Ely, a pork butcher, of Grove Road—on 25th April, between 8 and 9 p.m., I served Anderson with half a pound of beef sausages, which came to 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; he gave me a half-crown, I bent it in the tester, and asked him where he had it from—he said "From my master"—I gave it back to him—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>); I know it because I bent it—he said that as he had only 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. he could not have the sausages—he was in the shop about a month before that for three
<lb/>pennyworth of sausages and gave me a half-crown; I gave him the change and afterwards paid it away; it was brought back to me and I had to give a good one for it—I gave it to the constable—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I went to Clerkenwell and picked Anderson out from seven others.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Anderson.</hi> I did not give you in custody when you came in the second time because I was very busy and had not the chance.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-93" type="given" value="KATE"/>KATE KING</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Frost, a baker, of Providence Cottage, Hornsey Road, about ten minutes' walk from Mr. Ely's—on 25th April, between 8 and 9 p.m., I served Anderson with a twopenny loaf; he gave me a half-crown—I sounded it on the counter and felt it;</p>
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<p>it was bad, and I took it to my master, who came in and said to Anderson "This is a bad half-crown"—he said "Oh, I know where I got it; I can't leave it, I have no more money"—it was returned to him—I did not mark it—I afterwards picked him out from seven others at the police-court.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-94" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH HOFFMAN</persName> </hi>. My father is a baker in Highgate Road—on 25th April, between 8.30 and 9.30, Burrow came in for a twopenny loaf, and put down a half-crown—I tried it with my teeth, and easily bent the edge—I told him it was bad, and asked if he knew where he got it—he took it up, looked at it, and said that he had been doing some work at Finchley—he left without the loaf—I afterwards picked him out from six others at Clerkenwell.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-95" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These half-crowns are all bad—this one is of 1874, and of the five found on Burrow three are of 1874 from one mould, and the same mould as this, and the two others are from one mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Burrow's Defence.</hi> I did tender the half-crown for the loaf, but I did not know it was bad, and I did not know the others were bad. I had been betting at Epsom, and made 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and this money was among it. I was looking for a lodging when I was arrested.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Anderson in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he was with the other prisoners looking for work, and knew nothing about the coins till he got to the station. Smith in his defence stated that he was with the other prisoners, but did not know what money they had, and that Sergeant Targett was mistaken about his leaving them.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-566-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>*—
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<interp inst="t18840519-566-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-566-18840519 t18840519-566-punishment-21"/>Twelve Months' Hard Labour.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">SMITH</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">The</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered that Targett acted with very great tact and prudence.</hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, May</hi> 21
<hi rend="italic">st</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Field.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-98" type="given" value="WILLIAM PETTIGAL"/>WILLIAM PETTIGAL HUNTER</persName> </hi>. I am collector to the Board of Guardians of the Fulham Union—on 13th December, 1883, a child called Florence Kay Rider was taken in at the workhouse—the prisoner is the mother of that child—on 25th March, about 10 in the morning, I took that child to Millbank Prison, and it was handed to the prisoner by a man named Cowley—the child was then in a perfectly healthy condition—the prisoner recognised it as her child.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had never seen the prisoner before that occasion—directly she took the child we left the prison.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. back—we then went outside, and she asked Motler if he would stop at a coffee shop with her that night—he refused to do so—I said "If you like I will go back with you and get another ticket if you will go home to Uxbridge"—after a long while she said "All right," and I went and got her the ticket—the train was going at 9.20—Motler and I then left her—as we were leaving she said "All I hope before the night is out I will have twelve years"—we did not say anything to that—I said to Motler "Come on, I have a brother of mine dying; I want to see how he is getting on"—we just saw her go inside the station door, and we went away—at that time she had the child in her arms; I think it was asleep—the prisoner was quits sober at that time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> It was she who first proposed to go to the coffee-house; I am quite sure of that—nothing was said to her previous to her alluding to the twelve years—she had the child in her arms all the time—she seemed all right—she was not in a state of excitement, or angry with Motler because he would not pass the night with her.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-100" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY MOTLER</persName> </hi>. I am a painter, and now live at 35, Aberfield Street; I did live at 28, Fulham Palace Road—I have known the prisoner about twelve months—on the afternoon of 25th March I saw her at my brother's—she had the child with her, it was running about the room with my sister-in-law's children—I cannot say the date when I had last seen her, but it was between December and January—she did not say anything about the child at my brother's—after a little time I went out with Neate to my home to tea—we afterwards returned, and found the prisoner with the child at my brother's—I heard that she had got some money to return to Uxbridge—I asked how much she had—she said 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she had that on coming out of prison—I then left with her and Neate, she carrying the child—we went into a public-house by the way, and she there got some money from the landlady, and we afterwards went to the railway station with her—I got a ticket for her—she took it back and got the money—when the train came in she said "I shan't go to Uxbridge to-night"—I asked her how she got on at home, she said she got on very well with her father, but did not get on with her mother-in-law at all—I said "Then the best thing you can do is to stay at a coffee-house," and if she did I would stay with her—she went across to a coffee-house to ask how much it would be, she came back and said it would be half-a-crown—I then said I could not stop because I had to get up in the morning, and I was afraid of being late for work—we then went back to Uxbridge Road</p>
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<p>Station, and I said "The best thing you can do is to go to Uxbridge"—she said "All right"—Neate got a ticket for her to Uxbridge, and we left her about half-past 9 or 10, and I promised to meet her on the following Sunday at Uxbridge Road Railway Station—we left her in the station, still carrying the child—I did not see her off—she was sober when I left her.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> When she exchanged the Uxbridge ticket for money, she said she feared it was too late to get in at home—it was not because they required too much money at the coffee-house that I did not stay, I had money—I have been very intimate with the prisoner—I was not discussing marrying her on that day—I had done so previous to her going to prison—I had written to her sister asking for a sovereign to get married with—that was the last time I saw her, between December and January—she brought me a letter from the Vicar of Uxbridge asking me to marry her—I do not know that I am the father of the child that the was pregnant with at that time—as far as I know I am, I may have been—I was walking with her down Shepherd's Bush Road when she gave me the letter; I read it and tore it up and said "What have you done with the other child?"—she said "I have put it in a home"—we went on towards Uxbridge Road Station, and she brought it up again—I said I had got no money and asked whether she had any, or her sister—she said she did not know whether her sister Polly had any, and I asked whether I should write to her—she said "If you like"—I said "If you can bring me papers to prove that you have got that child in a home I will marry you"—I did not meet her at the prison door the day she came out; I saw her at my brother's house on Tuesday, the 25th March, about 4 in the afternoon—she seemed fond of the child—she said a lady had got it in a home—I understood it to be a home for children where so much a week was paid and the mother had no more to do with it, and it was on that condition that I was willing to marry her, so that it would no longer be a charge to me or her—she said "I can't bring tile papers to prove it, but a lady has got it in a home"—at that time she was living at Hillingdon with her father, as far as I knew—when I first knew her she was living in service at Mrs. Hicks's, at Shepherd's Bush—when she left there she went to Hillingdon, that was all I knew—I did not see anything more of the child till I saw it at my brother's—that was an accidental meeting—I went there, I thought she would be there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you ever notice anything strange about her?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, I first noticed it when I was walking down the Shepherd's Bush Road, the last time I saw her, between December and January—she was speaking to me about being married, and I spoke about the home; I looked at her and she looked as if she had been hunted, frightened about the eyes—that was the only time I had noticed anything strange about her—she seemed peculiar about the face, as if she had been hunted about; she looked distressed, as if she had got some trouble—she told me that her mother had died in a madhouse—that was the first time I went out with her—I do not know whether it was in May or April, 1883—I never heard that her mother's brother had died in a madhouse—I never observed her with a melancholy appearance—she was very lively—I never noticed anything excitable about her, she seemed a very nice girl to me, I mean she was of an affectionate disposition.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-101" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HAZELGROVE</persName> </hi>. I am a fireman in the service of the Great</p>
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<p>Western Railway—I have known the prisoner a long while, but I have been away and have not seen her for some time—I knew where she had been living, at Hillingdon—on the night of 25th March, about 11.15, I was at the West Drayton Station and saw her there—she had a child with her; it seemed to me as though it was asleep in her arms—I did not speak to her; she came up off one platform on to the Uxbridge platform, and I saw her get into the Uxbridge train, and about six minutes afterwards I saw her at the Uxbridge Station; she got out of the train and went by the engine and I saw no more of her.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-102" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE RIDER</persName> </hi>. The prisoner is the daughter of my husband by his first wife—she is 21 years of age and was a general servant—she came to us some time in December and stayed a month—she was committed from Hammersmith Police-court for abandoning her child—on 28th January I went to the Fulham Workhouse and there saw a female child about two years of age—on the morning of 26th March I saw that same child dead at the General Elliott public-house at Uxbridge—I live on Uxbridge Moor close by—on 25th March, shortly before 12 o'clock at night, the prisoner came to our house—I had not seen her from the time she left to go to the Hillingdon Union—we were not expecting her; we expected her to be confined in prison—there was a knock at the door, her father opened it, and she came in—I said "Then you are out, Till" meaning out of prison—she said "Yes"—I said "I see you are not confined"—she said "No"—I said "Have you been to claim little Florrie at the Fulham Union? for if you have not, the police know that your two months' imprisonment is up, and you would be retaken for neglect
<lb/>ing it again"—she said "It is all right, mother, don't worry yourself at all about it; I have claimed the child and put it out to nurse at 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week"—I said "However in the world are you going to pay for it?"—she said "He will pay for it; it has been paid for before and it will be paid again"—I said "I hope it is all right"—she said "It is all right, don't worry again, mother"—I got her some tea, but she was very reluctant to sit down; she wished to get inside the door and not come any farther—we talked together a long time during the night—she went to bed just after 3 o'clock in the morning, but she laid down in front of the fire shortly before 3 o'clock—shortly before 5 o'clock her father got up to go to work, and she gave him some tea; it was left on the hob, remaining from what had been had—I laid down by the child just before 3 o'clock when she laid down in front of the fire; we had the bed down through the illness of my baby—she laid down after giving her father the tea, but I had great difficulty to get her to do so—during the night she said she was going to Birmingham to be confined at her brother's—a little after 6 o'clock William Hughes came to the window and said "There is a little child in the water"—the River Colne runs exactly opposite our house, only the road parts us—the prisoner heard what Hughes said, but she did not speak then—I said "Is it hurt much, or is it drowned at this time of the morning?"—he said "It is lying dead on the bank"—the prisoner then said "Mother, mother, it is me, it is mine; I have done it; let me leave the house and I will make away with myself"—she would have rushed out as she was, not dressed, but I would not let her go; we had a struggle—I sent for the police—the Uxbridge Station is about half a mile from our house.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> When she first came in she was very calm and very</p>
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<p>low; that did not continue all night—just before 3 o'clock she said the time seemed so long, it must have gone 3 o'clock; that was just as I lay down, with the child—she began sighing so frequently and saying "Oh, dear," so mournfully, that I asked her if she was ill—she said "No, not ill; you are not going to sleep, are you?"—she was very excitable the month she was with me, and very changeable at times—the first time I saw her was about three years ago when she came to me for a holiday, part of a day—I was married to her father at that time—I saw her again some time in December last, when she came and stayed with us a month—she had some peculiarities about her then; she came in a very peculiar manner at first—she was to have come the evening before, but she did not, she came between 11 and 12 o'clock in a cab, and she did not offer to come in; she looked up at the chimney as if she was looking into futurity—she beckoned to me and I went to her and said "You did not come last night"—she said "No, it was late, mother; I did not like to disturb you; I did not leave my place till late, so I have come this morning"—she did not offer to get her box off the cab, the cabman spoke sharply, and it was got down by the man and a neighbour—she did not offer to pay him, and he said "I can't wait here all day"—I said "You must pay him and let him go," and she paid him 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—she did not wish to sit down when she came in—she was then about six months advanced in pregnancy—her mother's name was Charlotte Russell before she married Rider—I did not know her personally—the prisoner told me that she had died in Dr. Schofield's lunatic asylum at Camberwell, and was buried at Forest Hill; and her uncle died in the same—when she came in I said to her "I hope it is all right"—I asked her that because I was afraid, having deserted it once, that if she had not claimed it they would take her again.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-103" type="given" value="CHARLES FREDERICK"/>CHARLES FREDERICK KING</persName> </hi>. I live at Uxbridge Moor—on the morning of 26th March, about 5 minutes to 6, I was going along a path by the side of the River Colne, and noticed the body of a little child lying in the water dressed, about 18 inches from the bank; the head was slightly, upstream; it had a small cape over its face—the water there is from 8 to 9 inches deep—the child was lying just below the last witness's house—there is a narrow slip of ground between the river and the road
<lb/>way, and a public footpath leading from the station past the prisoner's father's house—a person coming from the station would not pass that spot, it would be about 50 yards farther on; a person going that way would have to go out of the high road into the footpath, and then back again to the high road—the high road is about 20 yards from this spot—the water slightly covered the child, but was not deep enough to thoroughly cover it; it covered its face—I took the child out; it was dead, and quite cold—there was a slight scratch under the chin—it was dressed in the usual way—I sent for the police—a woman carried the child with the police to the General Elliott public-house, where I left it about 20 minutes past 6.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The river varies in depth—it is not a shelving bank, it is nearly straight, except just at this spot there is a way trodden down, as if children had been getting down there—the water would not be 8 or 9 inches higher in the morning than it was the night before—there is no lock there—I supposed the boy to have been placed in the position I found it—if it had been placed on the bank it might possibly have</p>
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<p>slipped down into the water; it might roll or slip—the clothes were floating in the water; the body was resting on the earth, partly covered with the water—I could not see the mouth and nostrils, the cape was over it—it was all saturated with water—I could not see the face till I took the child out—the cape was fastened on in the ordinary way round the neck.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-104" type="given" value="NATHAN"/>NATHAN MANSFIELD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi>). At a quarter to 6 on the morn
<lb/>ing of 26th March, in consequence of information, I went to the River Colne on Uxbridge Moor, at the back of the Pipemaker's Arms—I saw there the body of a female child lying on the bank of the river—it was the same child that has been identified as Florence May Rider—I had it removed to the General Elliott public-house—I then went to the house of the prisoner's father; that is about 60 yards, from where I saw the child on the bank—I saw the prisoner there—I said to her, "Your mother has made a communication to me; where did you go yesterday, and what time did you get home to Uxbridge with the child Florence May?"—she replied, "I will tell you the truth; I left Hammersmith between 2 and 3, and came to Uxbridge after the public-houses were closed, and came straight down over the two bridges, and went down by the water and threw her in, and when I got indoors it was about a quarter to 12"—the doctor saw the prisoner at her father's house, and I then removed her to the police-station—the charge was there entered and read over to her; she said nothing—afterwards in the reserve room she said, "I was liberated from Millbank Prison yesterday, where I had been two months for leaving this child"—I took down in writing at the time what she said.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I saw the body of the child after it was taken out of the water—I did not caution the prisoner that what she said would be given in evidence against her; it is not usual for a constable to caution a prisoner—I did not caution her at the police-station—I was in uniform.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. In passing from the railway station to the father's house you would pass along the turnpike road to Windsor, you would touch the river just before arriving at the father's house—the road and the river run parallel, close to each other, you could almost put your hand in the river from the road—after that the river slightly diverges from the road, and a footpath goes along the bank of the river to the spot where the body was found—the footpath diverges almost immediately after passing the father's house—the stream runs from Uxbridge—if the child had been placed higher up it might possibly have floated down till stopped by something—the river is not very rapid at that place, it is a stream—it is quite possible that the child might be put in the river at a higher spot than where I found it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-105" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES ROBERTS</persName> </hi>. I am a registered medical practitioner at Uxbridge, and am divisional surgeon of the police there—on the morning of 26th March I was sent for to the General Elliott—I got there at 9 o'clock, and saw there the body of a female child about two years of age—it was dressed; its clothes were very wet—I took off the cape and examined the child—I found a slight abrasion under the chin, caused by some friction, coming in contact with something rough—I made a post-mortem examination next day, and in my judgment the cause of death was suffoca
<lb/>tion by drowning.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> There were no marks of external violence on the body</p>
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<p>—I don't think the suffocation was caused by the cape being entangled over its mouth and nostrils—I am quite certain it was caused by immer
<lb/>sion in the water—the abrasion under the chin might hare been caused by the body having floated down the river and striking a stone—if the child had been placed on the bank and fallen off, its chin might possibly have obtained the abrasion by coming in contact with some rough sub
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is a woman in the last month of her pregnancy likely to be seized by a sudden mania to do a thing of this kind?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Such a thing might occur, then, or at any period—I don't think that a woman in the fifth or sixth month of pregnancy is liable to curious delusions and to do strange acts—I heard one of the witnesses say that in December the prisoner had a hunted look—that might be consistent with some hysterical condition arising from her pregnancy—I do not know the prisoner at all—I do not think that an excitable woman, of hysterical temperament, has a tendency during pregnancy to commit crimes which she would not otherwise do—I could not infer because her mother died in a lunatic saylum that she was taken with insanity in the fifth month of her pregnancy.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I saw the prisoner immediately after I saw the child—I asked her how ever she came to do such an act—she cried, and said "I don't know"—I noticed nothing in her demeanour to attract my atten
<lb/>tion, except that she seemed distressed and was crying.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-106" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA HALE</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Robert Hale, a stableman, of 85, St. Clement's Road, Notting Hill—I had charge of a child called Florence May Rider for seven months, up to December 12th, 1883—the prisoner placed her in my charge, and paid me 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—about 20 minutes past 5 o'clock on the evening of 12th December she took the child away and said she was going to her brother's at Birmingham—I did not see the child again till 31st December, when I saw it at the Fulham Union Workhouse.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-107" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN RALLINGS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman T</hi> 212). About 6.30 on the evening of 12th December I found a female child, aged about 18 months, on a piece of waste ground on the Sulgrave Road, Hammersmith—on 31st December I was at the Fulham Union Workhouse, when Eliza Hale identified that child as the child she had handed over to the prisoner—her house is about a mile from where I found the child.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-108" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY JONES</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi>). On 5th January last I received a warrant for the arrest of the prisoner for deserting her child, and on the 25th I arrested her at the Hillingdon Union Workhouse—she was charged next day at Hammersmith Police-court before Mr. Paget—I produce the certificate of her conviction, which was one of two months' imprisonment in Millbank.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-109" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-109" type="given" value="PHILIP FRANCIS"/>PHILIP FRANCIS GILBERT</persName> </hi>. I am surgeon of Her Majesty'a Gaol, Clerkenwell—the prisoner has been in that prison since 26th March—I have seen her nearly every day—she was confined on 8th April—I have seen nothing whatever about her to lead me to believe that she is other than a person of sound mind.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> She seemed to be aware of the difference between right and wrong—women advanced in pregnancy sometimes have delu
<lb/>sions, not often—it sometimes affects their minds so that they do not know the difference between right and wrong—that happens more particu
<lb/>larly about the sixth or seventh month, after the sixth month as a rule—if such a thing does happen the effect would be that they might commit suicidal or homicidal acts.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-110" type="given" value="ISAAC"/>ISAAC HICKS</persName> </hi>. I live at 112, Uxbridge Eoad—the prisoner was in my service from a little after Easter last year up to about a fortnight before Christmas—she gave notice to leave, saying that she wanted change and she should go to Birmingham to her brother's for a while—she was an excellent servant, such a one as we shall never get again, of a very cheerful disposition and very kind, both to myself, Mrs. Hicks, and the child—she was very kind to children; on one occasion about August we had a friend come, and she would take the child out for an hour and a half—at times she was very excitable—I have noticed her looking pecu
<lb/>liar at times, but not thinking anything about it I never took par
<lb/>ticular notice of it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-111" type="given" value="EDWIN"/>DR. EDWIN PAYNE</persName> </hi>. I am a M.B.C.P. of London—I have had some experience of persons who are insane—I have heard the evidence that has been given of the act committed by the prisoner—I agree with Mr. Gilbert that women advanced in pregnancy are very liable to attacks of mania, I mean to loss of reason, a loss of the faculty of knowing right from wrong, and a special tendency to commit suicidal and homicidal acts—having heard the facts under which the prisoner committed this offence, in my opinion she did not know at the time that she was com
<lb/>mitting a crime.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.</hi> </rs> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, May</hi> 2
<hi rend="italic">st</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Second Count</hi>, being found by night with house breaking implements in his possession.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RAVEN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecute.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-117" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-117" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT BRADFORD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 208). On Saturday night, 26th April, about 11.45 p.m., I was in Bed Cross Street and saw two men standing near No. 11, the Great Western Rail way's receiving house, with their faces to the door—I had tried the door about a quarter of an hour previous—I got within 10 or 15 yards of them—they walked towards me, and the man not in custody shammed drunkenness, which aroused my suspicions, and I went to the door of No. 11 and saw this skeleton key (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) in the keyhole—I went after them, caught hold of them both 50 yards off, and asked them what they had been doing to the door of No. 11—they both said "You have made a mistake, old man"—a struggle took place, and the other one got away—I took the prisoner to No. 11 and asked him to account for the key being in the door—he said "You have made a mistake, old man"—I took the key out and took him to the station and found on him this
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi>, dark lantern, a box of silent matches, and this canvas sack was rolled up under his left arm.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-118" type="given" value="PERCY"/>PERCY LEACH</persName> </hi>. I am clerk at the receiving house, 11, Red Gross Street—I left at 6.30 on that Saturday—I shut the door and tried it after me—it was fastened—it fastens with a spring catch; this key has nothing to do with the door, it is nothing like it—there was a parcel of goods in the office, and a safe with about 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-119" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT SAGA</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi>). I went with Collard and several other constables to 11, Bed Cross Street that night and unlocked the door with this key—I then went back to Moor Lane Station, where the prisoner was; he said in answer to the charge "I was coming from the Variety Music Hall when I met a man not in custody at the top of Bed Cross Street; he said 'Halloa, Charley, do you want to earn a shilling?' and he handed me this parcel containing the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy.</hi> We both went to the door of No. 11, he put the key in the door, and I thought he lived there. The policeman came up and we went away"—he said nothing about the sack.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I am a hardworking chap, this is my first offence, if you will deal leniently with me I will never do anything wrong again."</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I thought the man lived there when he put the key in the door. I never saw him before.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-570-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, Feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RAVEN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-121" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH GRANT</persName> </hi>. I am chief clerk in the account department, Army and Navy Stores, Victoria Street—the prisoner has been ledger clerk since July, 1880—it was part of his duty to pay accounts which were owing by the Society, which were under 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and to make out a list of them—on 17th December he made out a list, which I believe has been destroyed—it amounted to 39
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—the money for that was paid by me from time to time—it was his duty to take a receipt for all moneys paid—at the end of the month he handed me this ticket (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—it is in his writing, showing the amount of money paid by him, 34
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he handed me about 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the balance of cash in his hands at that time—among the sums purporting to have been paid was 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to Dent, Aircraft, and Company, and he produced this receipt as his voucher for its payment. (
<hi rend="italic">This was signed "Per pro</hi> C. M.")—there was also in the list 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. purporting to have been paid by the prisoner to Benjamin Eddington, for which the prisoner handed me this receipt—subsequently I received information which rendered it necessary to make inquiries as to those two accounts, and I found them both unpaid.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I cannot say whether these two receipts are in your writing.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. is not in the writing of any person in their employ, nor has it been paid—there is no one in their employ with the initials C. M.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-123" type="given" value="FREDERICK HERBERT"/>FREDERICK HERBERT BIRDSEYE</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Benjamin Eddington, tent maker, of 2, Duke Street—this receipt for 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. is not in the writing of any one in his employ—the 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. has not been paid—there is no one in the employ with the initials C.M.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-124" type="given" value="FREDERICK GEORGE"/>FREDERICK GEORGE NETHERCLIFT</persName> </hi>. I have been an expert in hand-writing for thirty-five years—these two receipts are decidedly in the same writing, and I believe they are in the disguised writing of the person who wrote this account.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Detective Inspector</hi>). I took the prisoner on the 21st April—I held the two bills in my hand and told him he would be charged with stealing the two amounts, naming them—he said "I had he money, but I shall say nothing to incriminate myself, my defence will be made before the Magistrate."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I am quite certain you said that you had the money; it was when I showed you the receipts under a lamp-post.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-126" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN ALLCHURCH</persName> </hi>. I am housekeeper at the Stores—I gave the prisoner in charge—I did not bear him say what the Inspector says, but I was not there the whole time—we went to the door where he lives, and the Inspector said "I want to speak to you, come outside"—he took him ten or twenty yards, and I walked behind—there was a conversation under a lamp-post—his mother was present, and he said "There is nothing against me but this."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> You said that what you had to say you would say before the Magistrate.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">short, and knowing that if he was found out he should be dismissed, he put in the</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">short, and then had</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">still to his credit, which he put in for his expenses, and he denied saying that he had the money.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE THOMAS</hi> (19)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-129" type="given" value="AUSTIN"/>MR. AUSTIN METCALFE</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-130" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL FOREMAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 50, Mount Street, Leytonstone—on Good Friday I was managing Mr. Ward's swings at Lea Bridge—the prisoner was using one of them, and refused to get out—I removed him quietly, and afterwards found that I was stabbed in my thigh close to the hip
<lb/>bone, and another stab lower down—I did not see who stabbed me—I gave the prisoner in charge—I have been in the German Hospital three weeks, and have not been able to do anything since—I saw Dr. White, before I went to the hospital.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-131" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MONAGHAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 4, Little Galloway Street, St. Luke's—I was at these swings on Good Friday, and saw Foreman eject the prisoner from a swing—they closed together—I ran over, and some one called out "The knife"—I saw a white-handled knife in the prisoner's hand, with a narrow-pointed blade—I backed him away, and Foreman said tome "Bill, I'm stabbed," and pulled his hand out of his trousers covered with blood—I fetched a constable, and returned in about two minutes, and saw the prisoner going up the road—I halloaed after him and saw him pull the knife out of his pocket and pass it to some of his friends in the crowd—there were fifty people round him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> You had had something to drink, but you were not very drunk.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18840519-name-132" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-132" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE TURNER</persName> </hi>. I saw the prisoner pull a knife out of his pocket and somebody else take it.</p>
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<persName id="t18840519-name-133" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-133" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BELL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman N</hi> 294). About 5.30 on Good Friday I received information, and took the prisoner in the Lea Bridge Road—I said "Where is the knife?"—he put his hand in his pocket and passed it to some of his friends, and as he did so I saw a handkerchief stained with blood—he said that two of them sat upon him—I handed him over to another constable and took Foreman to a doctor—the prisoner had been drinking and was very much excited, but he knew what he was about—he was not bleeding.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner.</hi> The blood on my handkerchief was from my nose where I was struck.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Witness.</hi> It was very slightly stained.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-134" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18840519-name-134" type="surname" value="WHITE"/>
<interp inst="t18840519-name-134" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN WHITE</persName> </hi>. I am a surgeon, of Lower Clapton—on Good Friday afternoon Foreman was brought to me with two incised wounds, on the upper and inner part of the left thigh—one was an inch and a half deep, and rather more than an inch long; the other only went through the skin, and was about three-quarters of an inch long—he had lost a quantity of blood; he was very pale and fainted—I dressed the wounds, and recom
<lb/>mended him to be sent to the hospital—neither wound was dangerous unless inflammation had set in—they were such wounds as would be caused by a knife—he was three weeks in the hospital, probably more as he had lost a great quantity of blood.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had been in the swing some time, and the prose
<lb/>cutor said "Are you going to stop?" I said "I will get out" They cast a chain over my head and threw me on the ground. I made a kick at the prosecutor and ran away. They threw me down, and I made another kick at the prosecutor, and a constable was sent for. I said "I will get out of the swing," and he and the other big man said "Don't wait for him to get out, pull him out."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-135" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL FOREMAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). That is not true, I did not throw him over the palings—he was not kicked on the ground—he got under the railings to get away, and that is how he tore his coat sleeve—he positively refused to get out of the awing.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TICKELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Prosecuted.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-138" type="given" value="WILLIAM FREDERICK"/>WILLIAM FREDERICK GOURLEY</persName> </hi>. I live at 57, West Cornwall Road—on 16th April, shortly after midnight, I was in Northumberland Street, going towards Charing Cross, and was hustled by three men and knocked down three times by the prisoner and two others—my head was out from falling, and I became insensible—I lost a purse containing three or four shillings from my right trousers pocket—a cab attendant and a watchman came, assisted me up, and bathed my head—I gave information, and on the night of 30th April I picked the prisoner out from eight others—I went to Charing Cross Hospital, and was afterwards attended by my own doctor.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-139" type="given" value="THOMAS JOHN"/>THOMAS JOHN COWLRY</persName> </hi>. I live at 7, Dyott Street, Bloomsbury, and look after cabs at Northumberland Avenue—on 16th April I saw the prisoner knock Gourley down twice—I did not see any one else—I saw the prisoner go away, and he mentioned me by name, or else I should</p>
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<p>not have known him, but I never knew any wrong of him before—Gomley was bleeding from his head and mouth.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I pointed you out to a detective at Bow Street about a week afterwards—I took no steps about it till the police came to me, I went on with my duties at the cab rank, but I did not see you afterwards till I pointed you out in Villiers Street.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Detective Officer</hi>). Cowley and Gourley gave me a description of the person who had assaulted Gourley, and on 23rd April I went with Cowley to Villiers Street, where he pointed out the prisoner—I did not take him or speak to him then, but on the 29th I took him—I said, "You will be charged with assaulting and robbing Mr. Gourley of a puree containing 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on the morning of 16th April"—he said, "It is a mistake, it was not me"—I took him to the station, put him with several others, Gourley picked him out, and he was charged—he said, "I was in the Buckingham public-house, Buckingham Street, all that night"—that is three or four minutes' walk from where the robbery took place.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "I was very drunk on the day in question; the mistress and others at the Buckingham public-house can prove I was drunk that night. I have no witnesses to call."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I was very drunk that night, and was taken home. I was too drunk to do such a thing as that.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, May</hi> 21
<hi rend="italic">st</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-573-18840519 t18840519-573-punishment-27"/>Fifteen Months' Hard Labour each, three months of Noeberg's sentence to be concurrent with twelve months he was undergoing</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">also</hi> to a previous conviction on 10th October, 1882, in the name of
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<join result="nameAlias" targOrder="Y" targets="t18840519-name-148 t18840519-alias-2"/>Henry Carter</rs> </persName>.—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Three Months' Hard Labour.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Judgment respited.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Thursday, May</hi> 22
<hi rend="italic">nd</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Field.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-159" type="given" value="FRANCIS BENJAMIN"/>FRANCIS BENJAMIN ROWLEY</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Bumpus, bookseller, of Oxford Street; I have been in that employ from three to four years—on Sunday evening, 23rd March, I left home about 9.30 for a walk—I live with my parents at 43, Bridge Terrace, Harrow Road—I walked leisurely down the Edgware Road to the Marble Arch into Hyde Park—I was in the third part of the drive leading to Hyde Park Corner, walking leisurely across the park towards the Reformers' Tree; I had got between 50 and 60 yards up the path when the prisoner suddenly overtook me; he was in his soldier's dress and was smoking—he said "Good evening"—I said "Good evening"—I noticed that he was tipsy—he said "A fine night"—I said "Yes"—he said "How are you?"—I said "Quite well, thank you"—he walked a little farther by my side and then said "How do you feel?"—I said "I feel all right, thank you"—he then began to press against my side, which compelled me to go on to the grass—I then made for the more frequented path—when we got half way across he put his hand down the front of my trousers and asked me what I had there—I had on an overcoat—I said "Go away and mind your own business"—he then caught hold of my arm with his right hand and said "Give me a shilling" (he had a stick in his left hand)—I said "I have not one"—he said "You are a b----liar, you have"—I said I had not—he said "If you don't give me one I will split your head open," or "split it in two"—I then gave him a shilling out of my purse, which I opened inside my pocket and took the shilling out—he then said "Give me another"—I said I had not one—he said I had; I said I had not—he said "If you don't give me another I will split your head open"—I then gave him another—he, then asled me for another—I said I had not one left—he said that You are a b----liar, you have"—I said I had not—he said "You had better give me one"—I then turned my purse inside out in my pocket and showed him the empty purse—I believe I gave it to him, but I am not certain in my fright—he said "Give me that money in your pocket"—I said "I have not any more"—he said "What was that that jinked?"—I then gave him sixpence in silver and five penny pieces—he kept asking me for more money—I said I had not any—he said "If you don't give me another I will get you five years"—I said "Very well, come to the station"—he said "No, I will not, for your sake"—he then said if I did not give him another he would give me something to remember the longest day I lived—he kept asking me for more, and I said I had none, and he suddenly let go and walked away; and as I turned to get in front of him the policeman's lantern flashed upon me—I told the police
<lb/>man that I would give the soldier in charge for stealing two shillings, and he went after him and brought him back—on the way to the station he tried to get his hand into his pocket, or did get it in, and the police
<lb/>man caught hold of his hand and prevented him from moving it—at the station the prisoner said "He followed me about and he gave me the money, and because I would not do what he wanted he went away and fetched a policeman"—I then asked the constable whether I fetched him or whether he came up, and the constable said he came up—the</p>
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<p>inspector said to the prisoner "What do you mean by telling such a lie?" and then he said "I never said he fetched the constable"—the inspector then entered the charge.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman A</hi> 275). On 23rd March I was on duty in the Broad Walk, Hyde Park, about 11 o'clock—I heard voices on the grass about 20 yards off, and I went across—I saw the prisoner and prosecutor standing together facing each other—just before arriving to them the prisoner walked quickly away—I turned on my light as soon as I got within five yards of them, before the prisoner walked away—I went after him and brought him back, and the prosecutor said "I shall charge him with stealing 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>."—I took him to the station—on the way the prisoner put his left hand inside his trousers pocket, I prevented him from taking it out, and at the station on searching him I found in that pocket two shillings, a sixpence, and 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze, a knife, and several other things—he said to the prosecutor "You tried to unbutton my trousers"—the prosecutor said "I did not do any such thing"—the prisoner said "you turned round and fetched the constable"—he said "I did not, the constable came up"—the inspector said to me "Did he do that?"—I said "No, I came up"—before I came up to them on the grass I heard some person say "I will give you something to remember the longest day you live"—the prisoner was under the influence of drink.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence alleged that the prosecutor had given him the money, and acted indecently to him and that as he was walking away the constable came up. He received a good character from the sergeant of his regiment.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-163" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN WILKES</persName> </hi>. I am an engine cleaner, and live at Keneal Greet Road—on the morning of the 10th April, about 5.15, I was standing at the furnace in a shed of the Great Western Railway—the prisoner was lying down asleep, and Greenwood came from his work across to the furnace to get his bottle; he drank out of it, and he saw Coleman lying on the ground, he at once filled his mouth full of tea and spurted it over Coleman's face—Coleman looked round to me, and went to the pit—he had to go between five and six yards to get to the pit—he caught hold of Greenwood's rake and threw it at him (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—it is an ordinary rake to scrape out ashes or clinkers with—he had been using it the same morning—the rake was lying in the pit—he threw it and hit the de
<lb/>ceased, also striking another man named Gill at the same time—both were knocked down—I picked Greenwood up, and gave him into the hands of a man named Cannon—he was then taken to the hospital—I did not hear the prisoner say anything at all when this happened—he held the rake in the middle.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-164" type="given" value="HUBERT WATSON"/>HUBERT WATSON GILL</persName> </hi>. I did not see the prisoner throw the rake—I was struck—I was five or six yards from the prisoner and about half a yard from Greenwood.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi>). I saw Greenwood at St. Mary's Hospital, and I afterwards took the prisoner there—the deceased said in his presence "That is the lad who struck me"—he made a statement which I read to Greenwood in the prisoner's presence—this is it</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Rend</hi>: "St. Mary's Hospital, 24th April. I am an engine cleaner in the employ of the Great Western Railway Company, and reside at 23, Brindley Street, Paddington. I believe I am dying, and wish to make a statement as to the cause of my injury. About 7 o'clock on the morning of the 10th of this month (April) I was going to have a drink of tea near the furnace and had some tea in my mouth when I squirted some over that young man (Coleman). I did it in play. He took up an iron rake and struck me on the back of the head. I fell insensible, and do not remember anything more till I found myself in St. Mary's Hospital some hours after. I do not remember Coleman saying anything to me before striking me with the rake. I believe he only struck me one blow, and I believe he wilfully struck me, and that the blow was not the result of an accident. A young man named Alfred, a cleaner, was present and saw what occurred. Several others were also present, but I do not remember their names. Coleman and I never had any quarrel, and I do not think he had any ill feeling against me. I believe he struck the blow on the impulse of the moment. I make this statement in the presence of Samuel Coleman, believing I am dying and that I shall not recover. It has been read over to me by Morgan, and it is true"—I afterwards took the prisoner into custody—he said when charged he should like to make a statement, and wished me to take it down in writing. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "I wish to tell you that I warned George Greenwood of throwing water over me and messing me about at night, and aiming chewed bread at me. There were two chaps stood there who heard me warn him of it, John Wilkes and the boiler Smith")—Greenwood was twenty-one—he said it occurred about 7 o'clock, and the prisoner corrected him and said it was 5 and not 7.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CATER</hi>. I am house surgeon at St. Mary's Hospital—on the morning of the 10th of April, about 5.55, Greenwood was brought there, he was suffering from wounds on the head—he afterwards died from meningitis—the injuries could have been caused by throwing that rake.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a very good character.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-168" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY BROWN</persName> </hi>. I am a carman, and live at 23, St. Ann's Court, Dean Street, Soho—about half-past I on the morning of the 16th April I was standing at my street door and saw the deceased come up to her door with a strange man; they went in, and in seven, eight, or ten minutes came out again—the man shook hands with her, wished her good night, and went away—she then came back to the door and opened it, and as she did so I saw the prisoner strike her on the left side of the forehead with his right hand—she fell on the back of her head on the asphalte and laid insensible—the prisoner must have been waiting for her—he shut the door very quietly and ran upstairs—a policeman came up, brought the prisoner out, and I recognised him—when he struck the woman he would have been down, only he saved himself by his left hand on the doorpost—he had on a shirt and a pair of lightish trousers, that was all—I saw the policeman pick up the door key.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had known the prisoner for a month or two—I was standing nearly opposite his door when the woman came home with the</p>
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<p>man—after that I went across, and when she fell on the pavement I was between two and three yards off, on the same side of the way—the door of the prisoner's house, No. 5, opens inwards—I could not say how far the deceased opened the door—she was on the top step—it may have been a couple of feet open—she was taking the key out of the door—the prisoner struck her with his right hand—I was talking to Mrs. Welsh at the time—I have not spoken to her about it since—I have not talked it over with her—I do not know that the prisoner's left arm is injured—the deceased did not say anything when she fell—the door did not shut with a great bang, it shut quietly—the prisoner had no boots or stockings on, he was in his bare feet—I did not hear him run upstairs—the woman died next day—I first gave my evidence at the inquest.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I am positive the prisoner is the man who struck the blow.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-169" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE WELSH</persName> </hi>. I live at 4, St. Ann's Court—I am married—on the night this occurred I was at my own door, which is next to No. 5, where the prisoner and deceased lived—I saw her come up the court with a strange man and go into No. 5 with him—they shortly afterwards came out, and the man went away—she had her key in her hand and she went to open the street door with it, when the prisoner got the door open before she had time to do so—I saw him, and he struck her over the left eye with his right fist, and she fell on the back of her head on the asphalte—he nearly pitched out with her when he struck her, but he saved him
<lb/>self by holding the handle of the door—he then shut the door, and I saw no more of him—I heard him say something to her in French, only one word, I believe, I didn't understand what it was—a policeman afterwards came and took him in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The prisoner was only in his trousers and shirt—he had no boots on—I didn't hear the deceased say anything—I am positive it was the right hand that he struck her with—he had to hold the handle of the door with his left hand to save himself from coming out—I believe the deceased got her key partly into the latch of the door, but I am not certain—she hadn't time to open it before she got the blow and fell—the prisoner shut the door very quietly—I know the witness Brown as a neighbour—I have not talked with him about this since I was before the Magistrate, not at all.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-170" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN CLOAKE</persName> </hi>. I am a labourer and live at 5, St. Ann's Court, in the same house as the prisoner—he occupied the third-floor front—I was in my room, the first-door back, and I heard the deceased saying out three or four times "Don't beat me," I knew her voice, she spoke in French; the words were "
<hi rend="italic">Non ma frappe pas</hi>"—a, minute or two afterwards they began ringing the bell and knocking at the door as if the house was on fire—I jumped out of bed, put on my trousers, and went down stairs; and as I opened the street door I saw the deceased lying on the ground and the constable with her.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> My room is separated from the passage by a wooder partition about a quarter of an inch thick—I could hear anybody going upstairs very well—it would be impossible for anybody to go up or, down stairs without me hearing them, even if they had no shoes on—I did not hear anybody go up and down that night—after I heard her call out I heard the street door shut with a bang—the prisoner and the de
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<p>—she was very nearly drunk every day—I have known them living together about 15 months—she told me on one occasion that they had been living together for nine years—she was about 36 years of age and was a prostitute by profession—the prisoner has always been a quiet and hardworking man, I never saw him drunk.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. I had not seen the prisoner that day, he goes out about 6 o'clock in the morning and comes back about 10.30 or 11 o'clock at night—he is a painter by trade—I never saw the deceased bring any strange man—the landlord lives in the house and sleeps in the back room, the front is a shop—I heard the street door bang once, I am sure it was only shut once—when I went down stairs I didn't meet any one coming up, I didn't meet the prisoner.</p>
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<interp inst="t18840519-name-171" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH WEST</persName> </hi>. I live at 3, St. Ann's Court—I am landlord of No. 5—there are two gas lamps in the court, one at the corner and one in the middle—there are 28 houses, 14 on each side—one gas would be oppo
<lb/>site No. 4 in the middle of the court, which is about 14 feet wide—on the night this occurred I was sleeping in No. 5, in the parlour at the back of the shop on the ground floor—the shep was unoccupied—there were no other rooms on that floor—a mother and her daughter lived in the first-floor front, and Cloake and his wife in the' back—in the back room second-floor, a man and his wife and one child, and in the back room a single man—on the next floor front the prisoner and deceased lived, and in the back a man and his wife—I went to bed about 11.40 on this night—I was disturbed some time afterwards, I couldn't tell the time—I heard an immense bang at the door which woke me and almost instantly I heard the bell and the knocker—I then heard foot
<lb/>steps coming downstairs, and almost before they got down the door seemed to open, I didn't get up—I heard nothing more till next morning—I didn't hear anybody go upstairs again, at least I heard persons up and down several times—I didn't hear the door shut afterwards—it was after I heard the door bang that I heard the footsteps coming downstairs—the prisoner and deceased lived there together for a year and three months—I think the woman was away for six or seven weeks about five or six weeks before this—I never noticed her the worse for liquor, but the prisoner has complained to me several times.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was asleep, and the first thing I heard was the door banging-to—it has a very strong spring, and it is a very heavy, solid door, it shuts with great force—you can't get from the passage into the shop—there is a round hole over the door for a ventilator—I have always known the prisoner to be an honest, hardworking man, and sober—he worked for a baker for eight months—he never laid a finger on the woman in my presence—I have never seen any marks.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 47). On the morning in question I was on duty—I was just turning into St. Ann's Court from Dean Street when I saw a woman falling out of the door of No. 5, and I saw the hand of some one, who I can't say—the door was immediately slammed-to—I was about 12 or 13 yards off—I ran up to the door—I didn't meet anybody in going there; if there had been a man who escaped I must have met him—I saw the woman fall on the back of her head from the effects of the blow which I saw delivered by the hand—when I got up I saw the witnesses Brown and Welsh standing by the woman—Brown said something to me—I picked up a key from the ground, but before</p>
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<p>that I knocked and rang the bell at the door four or five times; I got no answer—Welsh pointed to the key, and it was picked up and put into my hands—it was lying on the left side of the woman, just by her pocket—I opened the door with the key, and went upstairs to the front room, third floor, where I saw the prisoner in bed—I asked him if he knew whether the woman he was living with was lying downstairs insensible, and I said, "Will you come down?"—he said "I will"—he was undressed except his night-shirt—he got up, and I left him putting on his trousers and went downstairs thinking he would follow—I remained down there three or four minutes, and finding he did not come down I went upstairs again—I found his room door locked—I knocked; I received no answer, and I threatened to break open the door if he did not unlock it, upon which he opened it, and he again put on his trousers, which he must have taken off; he was only in his shirt—I told him he would have to come downstairs, as I believed the woman was dying—he put on his trousers and came down to the street door, and Brown said, "That is the man that done it"—he replied in English, "I don't know much about the woman," and he also said something in French which I could not understand—by that time the ambulance arrived that I had sent for, and the woman was put upon it and taken to the Middlesex Hospital—the prisoner went with me—a surgeon said the woman was in a dying condition, and I took the prisoner in custody—on the way to the station he said, "I don't know anything about the woman, no more than she occasionally stops with me"—he spoke in English—the woman was insensible all the time, and never spoke a word.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not make a note of the words he used, but I am sure they are the exact words—he was charged with a violent assault in the first instance—when I asked him if he knew the woman was lying insensible downstairs he said, "I don't"—the charge was interpreted to him at the station; he made no reply—I believe there is a back door to the house—I made no search there.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). There is a back door and a small yard behind—it is surrounded by walls 6 or 7 feet high, which separates the yard from other yards belonging to other houses.</p>
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<lb/>sex Hospital—the deceased was brought there at 2 o'clock on the morning of 6th April—she was perfectly unconscious—I found a small bruise over the left eyebrow, and a bruise at the back of the head, and also a con
<lb/>cussion on the upper part of the right arm, as if some violence had caused it—she remained unconscious till she died at 8 o'clock the same evening—the bruise on the eye was such as might have been caused by a fist—she smelt of alcohol when admitted—I made a post-mortem examination on the 7th, and found the bruises I have stated—on opening the head I found a fracture at the base of the skull—death was caused by laceration and haeligmorrhage into the brain arising from that fracture.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The cause of death was the injury done by falling—the bruise on the left eyebrow might have been caused by a door bang
<lb/>ing against it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> By falling I mean striking the back of the head on the ground—there must have been direct violence, and great violence, because the skull was thick.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by the Jury.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Thursday, May</hi> 22
<hi rend="italic">nd</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">To enter into hit sum recognisances to come up for judgment if called upon.</hi> </rs> </p>
<hi rend="italic">For other eases tried this day see Essex and Surrey cases.</hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Thursday, May</hi> 22
<hi rend="italic">nd</hi>, 1884.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 824). On Saturday, April 12, about 8 o'clock p.m., I was on duty in Little George Street, Minories—my atten
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<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi>, a coat, and a pocket-handkerchief—I next saw Schofield on Monday morning, the 14th, in the station, where I was taken for the purpose of identifying the person whom I saw in the van—I picked him out from several others.</p>
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<lb/>tective who was bringing him to the station—he was placed with people of all sorts, a lot of City sewer men were there in slops and trousers, not with badges—I don't doubt there were people there generally resembling Schofield in height, age, and appearance—I looked him right in the face when I went to take the horse and van, and did not want to look particularly at him when I identified him—I should put the time down at 8.15—I made it 8.15 in my report—I will not swear it was not only 8.3.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I left the premises in charge of other constables, and did not examine them.</p>
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