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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OWDEN, MAYOR. SIXTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, April</hi> 8
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1878.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM BURTON</hi> (59)</persName>, were indicted for
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-4" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>Mambré Saccharine Company</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">appeared for Johnson</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">for Harrison</hi>;
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BRINDLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">for Burton</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-5" type="given" value="EDMUND GEORGE"/>EDMUND GEORGE FRANCIS</persName> </hi>. I am manager and shareholder in the works of the Mambré Saccharine Company—I produce the certificate of registration—we are manufacturers of malt saccharine—we have a wharf in the Fulham Road, on the River Thames—we have been in the habit for some time past of buying coals from the prisoner Johnson—with reference to the purchase of those coals I have had interviews with Burton—the coals bought from Johnson were delivered at our wharf in his barges—we were to be supplied by him with coal from the Powell Duffryn Steam Coal Company—before a barge load of coals was delivered to us we should receive an advice note from Johnson stating the quantity—latterly I desired that the numbers of the trucks should be stated on the back of the advice note, and the width of each truck—that would be towards the end of December—Harrison was in our employment—it was part of his duty on the wharf to count the number of skips that were taken from the barges—sometimes three, and sometimes two skips are unloaded at a time—each skip weighs 7 1/2 cwt.—it would be Harrison's duty to give in to me the number of skips delivered—he would have no means of knowing from me the quantity that a barge would contain—he always reported to me the number of skips from the barge—I compared the number of skips with the quantity of coal in the advice note—I found that the number of skips he returned corresponded with the quantity of coal advised by Johnson—I always found they agreed with the quantity advised by Johnson—I sometimes found them over weight—I never found that Harrison's weights were less than Johnson's—early in January when I was making up my books I found that the coal account was rather heavy, that the coal was going very fast—in consequence of that</p>
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<p>I employed Ryan to check Harrison's quantities—on 5th Jan. I received an advice note from Johnson—they generally came by post—I don't know in whose handwriting they were—I took them to be Burton's—this (
<hi rend="italic">marked A</hi>) seems to me like Burton's writing. (
<hi rend="italic">This was dated Jan</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1378,
<hi rend="italic">from Johnson, and advised</hi> 54
<hi rend="italic">tons</hi> 7
<hi rend="italic">cwt. of Welsh coal ex barge Henry</hi>.) On the back of the invoice the numbers of the trucks are given—Harrison as usual counted the number of skips by the Henry, and re
<lb/>turned them as 145 1/2—he made the return verbally—that would amount to 54 tons 7 cwt.—the last three skips were actually weighed, they averaged about 7 3/4 cwt.—Harrison weighed them—as a rule I was not present—I had instructed Ryan to watch the numbers of the skips in the barge; he made a return to me—in consequence of that return I in
<lb/>structed him to watch the next barge—I received this invoice (
<hi rend="italic">B</hi>) with reference to the 54 tons. (
<hi rend="italic">This was on a billhead of Johnson's</hi>, 54
<hi rend="italic">tons</hi> 7
<hi rend="italic">cwt., at</hi> 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 9, 42
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.) On 10th of January I received this invoice (
<hi rend="italic">C</hi>) referring to the barge Joe—the quantity of coals mentioned in the ad
<lb/>vice note was 53 tons 10 cwt.—the last three skips were weighed by Harri
<lb/>son—the numbers of the trucks were on the back of the advice note—Ryan made a return with reference to that barge—a little before 12th of January I received this advice note with reference to a barge called the Jack—I weighed the barge on the 12th—the quantity of coal appearing on the advice note is 61 tons 6 cwt.—the numbers of the trucks appear on the back of the advice note—one is No. 1742 represented as containing 10 tons 1 cwt.—I had the contents of the Jack weighed; Ryan weighed them—I was there a part of the time, not the whole—Harrison was present—I afterwards went to the Chelsea station of the North-Western Railway, and endeavoured to trace the truck 1742, but was not able to—I then went to Johnson's office, and there saw a clerk—he read some
<lb/>thing to me from a book—I was not able to trace the truck there—I saw Burton with reference to these purchases of coal—I imagined that the invoices were not written by a clerk, from the handwriting, and I asked Burton if he did not employ a clerk to write them, because they seemed to be written in such a loose slovenly manner—he said they were all written either by himself or Mr. Johnson at Johnson's house, as they did not wish the clerk to know the price they were selling at—the con
<lb/>versation related both to the advice notes and the invoices—I had agreed to pay 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for this coal delivered at the wharf—that was the price charged in all the invoices—on 15th January Burton called at my office and wanted me to give him the number of the last truck on the advice note, referring to the Jack—he said he had been sent from Johnson, for he had heard from a customer that he had received too much coal, and if some one had received too much, some one else must have received too little—I did not give him the number—it was about 5 o'clock in the evening that he called—I had spoken to Harrison that morning—he said there were rumours in the factory that the coal was wrong, and that his name was mentioned in connection with it, and he asked me for an explanation—I told him I did not desire to have anything to say to him then, that an opportunity would be given him to clear himself if he had nothing to do with it—he seemed satisfied with that and went away—this was after I had been to the railway station and to Johnson's office about the number of the truck—about 10th January I received this advice note referring to the barge Hetty, advising 56 tons—the numbers of the</p>
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<p>trucks on the back of the invoice (
<hi rend="italic">one was number</hi> 1356,
<hi rend="italic">purporting to contain</hi> 8
<hi rend="italic">tons</hi> 11
<hi rend="italic">cwt</hi>.)—a few days after receiving that advice note I informed Johnson that I proposed having that barge weighed—I wrote him a letter—that barge was weighed by Ryan—I was present part of the time—I only know the result from Ryan's report—I made inquiries about truck 1356, but could not trace it in any way—at the end of December or beginning of January I paid Johnson the December account by this cheque for 331
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—the quantity of coal in the bill tallied with the invoices sent during December—this is the receipt for the cheque signed by Burton—he did not sign it in my presence—on 3rd December I received this advice note (4) relating to the barge Jack, advising 60 tons—the skips taken out of the barge were counted by Harrison and returned to me as 165—some of the reports were made to me, but most of them to my clerk—I can speak positively as to two cases, the Henry and the Joe—this is the book I refer to—it was kept by a clerk named Pearce—some of the entries are made by him and some by myself—the entry of 5th December of the Jack is Pearce's writing—I received the following advice notes, the entries referring to which are in Pearce's writing; on 6th December the barge Grace, 45 tons; 10th December, barge Grace, 45 tons; 13th December, the barge Elm, 60 tons; 18th December, the Joe, 60 tons; also on 22nd December, by the Ned, 60 tons, the entry of which is in my writing—I received the information from Harrison—there were 161 skips, which would equal 60 tons—also of 26th December, by the barge Doe, 63 tons—the writing referring to that is Dodd's; also of 2nd January, by the barge Ned, 55 tons, the entry being in Dodd's writing: I paid for all but the last—I find these entries made in Dodd's writing—3rd and 5th January, barge Henry; 10th January, barge Joe; and 8th January, barge Jack.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. I did not know Johnson—I had never seen him previous to this inquiry—I went to the coal depôt but not to his office—I did not communicate with him about this business—I employ a man named Tisdale—I did not inquire of him about this matter—I do not remember asking Harrison to speak to Tisdale about it—I was not aware that Tisdale was going to see Harrison about these coals and their weights—I did not know that Tisdale was lodging at the same place as Harrison—Tisdale made a communication to me—he is a painter, and is now employed by me on the same terms as he was before this inquiry—I did not tell Ryan why I wanted the countings—he is a weight clerk—I did not know of Harrison receiving plug-money from Johnson or others till after this inquiry—I do not remember seeing Harrison plugging a barge on Sunday morning, or saying that he ought to be paid—I would not say it did not occur—our men sometimes plug barges, but it is done in our own time—this is Welsh coal—I dealt with other merchants besides Johnson for eighteen months or two years—I never heard of any complaints as to the weights before this.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR HARRIS</hi>. Harrison has been in our service about three years—he came as a hammer-man, and was promoted to drive an engine as soon as we got a crane in the summer of 1875—the engine works the crane—he would also have to count the skips and report how many were made, and the entries were made in a book—he would also have to unload thousands of bags of sago—the clerk who weighed it would make the entries of the sago—coals were sometimes unloaded in the evening—there was sometimes a break in the unloading—the barge Jack was</p>
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<p>begun on the 12th and finished on the 14th—I do not remember Harrison coming to borrow my water-boots, to plug a barge, before Christmas, 1876—I would not say I did not lend them to him, but I do not remember it—I do not remember his saying he got 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and my saying it was plenty—there were two skips when Harrison unloaded the barge—there are sometimes three—two are of the same size, the third is a little larger—I have not measured the skips—oh, yes I have, but I cannot re
<lb/>member their dimensions—the third skip holds half a cwt. more than the others—a bushel of large coal would weigh heavier than a bushel of small—the difference in the weight of a skip of small and a skip of large would be nearly 1/2 cwt.—a skip averages 7 1/2 or 8 cwt., if piled up to the top, but it never holds 10 cwt.—I never knew it to hold 9—I never weighed it—Ryan can tell you more about the weight—we have two sets of scales, one of iron and the other partly of wood—7 or 8 lb. of lead was not put to make the scales balance—there is a receptacle for adjusting the scales—Pierce was timekeeper as well as weight clerk occasionally, but taking weights was not his duty, but Ryan's—I do not remember complaining to Harrison about a year ago with regard to his being short—I know Ellmore and Scott's barges, but do not remember their being short by 9 tons and Harrison speaking about it, or saying "I will do the best I can"—I asked Harrison how many tons there would be in the Jack, when he said about 60—I do not remember his saying he could tell by her length and width—after Burton called on me on 15th January. I sent for Harrison and said "Now, Harrison, you have got a wife and children, and I do not see why they should suffer. I have sent for you to give you an opportunity of confessing"—I do not remember using the word "repent" or "foolishness"—he said he had nothing to be afraid of—I said "I took you to be an honest man;" I do not remem
<lb/>ber his replying"I am one yet"—I do not believe he did say it—he had no more to say and went away.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BRINDLEY</hi>. Burton called on me as Johnson's agent for orders—the quantities would only be known of a barge of coals when the notes were supplied—I was not aware of Burton being agent for anybody else but Johnson—I am giving my evidence from memory—I understood Burton to ask for the number of a particular truck.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. Some of the small coals were brought in carts, and some in barges—Harrison raised the skips by a steam crane—he counted them as they came up, and put them down on a slate provided for the purpose—I have seen him mark them—I obtained the weights of the skips from Harrison himself, and I find they average about 7 1/2 cwt.—I have assumed they were full—the sago was weighed after it had been unloaded, and in the top story of the building—I had been advised from Johnson's office the day before Burton called what the Nos. of the trucks were—Harri
<lb/>son has been employed by the company about three years—he was a hard
<lb/>working industrous man—my object in sending for him was to give him an opportunity of confessing if he had done anything wrong.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-6" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS PIERCE</persName> </hi>. I live at 3 Lewis Place, Fulham Road—in Decem
<lb/>ber last I was in the employ of the Mambré Saccharine Company as a clerk, it was my duty to keep this book—this entry of 2nd December was made at the time the barge Jack arrived alongside—the number of skips that came by that barge was supplied by Harrison, it was 165; the aver
<lb/>age weight of the last three skips he gave as 7 cwt. 2 qrs., 7 cwt. 2 qrs. 14 lb., 7 cwt. 2 qrs. 11 lb.—on 5th December there is an entry with re
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<p>to the Grace; Harrison there returns the number of skips as 120, the weights of the last three being 7 cwt. 2 qrs. 9lb., 7 cwt. 2 qrs. 26lb., and 8 cwt. 0 qrs. 11 lb.—the skips vary a little in size and weight—on 9th December he returned 122 skips by the Grace, the weights of the last three being 7cwt. 1 qr. 71b., 8 cwt. 0 qrs. 9 lb., and 7 cwt. 2 qrs. 5 lb.—on December 13th there is no number of skips placed; I can't say how that is, whether I weighed those myself, and Harrison was not there, I could not say—I do not find any entry of the barge Elm—on December 17th there is an entry of the Joe, but not of the skips—in neither of the two last cases was any complaint made to me by Harrison about there being short quantities.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. I sometimes took the weights myself and saw them weighed by the burgeman—I might have done so on the 13th; I could not say positively—I have heard of plug-money being paid by barge-owners—I have seen Harrison plug barges many times—I don't know whether Mr. Francis knew anything about the plugging—I never heard Harrison speak to him about it—I was there three years with Harrison—he was at first employed in the smith's shop and after
<lb/>wards at unloading barges—Ryan did not unload coal-barges, he weighed the sago.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>. I took the weight of the skips from Harrison—sometimes Harrison would be at work a long time at a stretch, not so long as forty or fifty hours; it might be thirty hours, with intervals for meals and refreshment.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. Harrison would sometimes weigh three skips in the middle of the barge, sometimes at the finish, but he always gave an average of three skips—formerly we only had two, latterly we had three.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-7" type="given" value="JOHN ALPHONSO"/>JOHN ALPHONSO DODD</persName> </hi>. I live at 5, Chester Terrace, Hammersmith, and am a clerk in the employ of the Mambré Saccharine Company—it was my duty when I entered the employ to commence making entries in this book—on 26th December I find an entry in my handwriting relating to the barge Doe, and the number of skips 160—I obtained that informa
<lb/>tion from Harrison—the weights are 7 cwt. 3qrs. 2 lb., 8 cwt 0 qr. 16 lb. and 8 cwt. 1 qr. 0 lb.—on 2nd February there is an entry in my writing in reference to the barge Ned, 159 1/2 skips, and the weights of three, 7 cwt. 3qrs. 4 lb., 7cwt. 2qrs. 10 lb., and 8 cwt. 0 qr. 13 lb.—on 3rd January by the Henry, 145 1/2 skips, the weights of three being 7 cwt. 3 qrs. 27 lb., 7 cwt. 1 qr. 17lb., and 7cwt. 3qr. 15lb.—on 5th January, 143 skips by the Joe, the weights of three being 7cwt. 3qrs. 15lb., 8cwt. 1qr. 10lb., and 8cwt. 0qr. 0lb.—on January 9, by the Jack, 131 skips; that was weighed by somebody else.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-8" type="given" value="WILLIAM ERNEST"/>WILLIAM ERNEST MORAN</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Messrs. Wontner, solicitors for the prosecution—I served a notice to produce upon the solicitors for Johnson and Burton—I served the notice as to Johnson upon a clerk of Mr. Newman, of Clifford's Inn—the clerk took the notice in to Mr. Newman, and he sent me to Mr. Fairman, the solicitor to Burton, and I served him personally.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-9" type="given" value="JOHN"/>ST. JOHN WONTNER</persName> </hi>. I am the solicitor acting for this prosecution—I also conducted it before the Magistrate—Mr. Newman, who is now in
<lb/>structed by Serjeant Parry, appeared on behalf of Johnson before the Magistrate, and Mr. Fairman on behalf of Burton—I have never known a notice served upon a prisoner where he was represented by a solicitor; but the same notice was served on the prisoners when they were before the Magistrate, so they had notice of the contents of it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-10" type="given" value="JAMES JOSEPH"/>JAMES JOSEPH RYAN</persName> </hi>. I am a weigher to the Mambré Saccharine Company—on 5th and 7th January last, in consequence of instructions from Mr. Francis, I checked the unloading of the barge Henry—I counted the number of skips that were taken out of that barge; it was 133 1/2—I am quite sure as to that—on 10th January my attention was called to the barge Joe, and I counted the number of skips that came out of that; it was 131—I did not count the skips in any other barge—I had to weigh the next—the paper I am looking at contains the number of skips—I merely made it as a memorandum for myself about a month ago—I have the original paper that I made at the time (
<hi rend="italic">producing it</hi>)—I was desired by Mr. Francis to weight the barge Jack—I found it contained 49 tons 12 cwt.—I also, under Mr. Francis's instructions, weighed the barge Hetty; that weighed 47 tons 8 cwt.—I got the weights in this way: the skips were filled in the barge, they were then taken up by a steam crane out of the barge and lowered on to iron scales, and I then ascer
<lb/>tained the weight from the scales, the gross weight of the skips; and at the end, when I had finished all the skips, I deducted the tare of the skips, which I had previously ascertained, and that gave the net weight—I made an entry of the weight of each skip as it came out of the barge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. I counted the skips of two barges; one barge, the Henry, occupied two days, the 5th and the 7th, and the other, the Joe, one day, the 18th; the Jack and the Hetty I weighed—I have weighed others since this inquiry—Mr. Francis directed me to tally these barges and to weigh them to check Harrison—he did not tell me that was the object; he told me to do it—I knew afterwards that it was to check Harrison, not at first—Harrison was numbering the skips and taking the coals out of the barges—I believe he put the weights on a slate, the number of skips—the barges were drawn up at the side of the wharf—I stood in the laboratory while I was doing this; that is a room—I was concealed from Harrison—Mr. Francis told me to go into the labo
<lb/>ratory and tally the skips as they came out of the barge—he told me to conceal myself from Harrison—I don't believe Harrison could see me—the laboratory is just at the top of the building—I could see down on the wharf from the window—the laboratory is about four stories up—I com
<lb/>menced to tally out the Henry about 10 minutes to 1 in the day and was at work till 4 that evening—I started again on Monday morning to finish the Henry—Harrison was working on the wharf at the same time—the house is on the wharf—I was about as far from the barge as across part of this Court—no one was with me—the skips are let down by a steam crane into a truck and then into a stokehole—I marked the skips as they were turned into the truck—I gave these papers to Mr. Francis after I had made them—no one was with me when I weighed the barges—Harri
<lb/>son was on the engine of the crane.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>. I had nothing to do but to take a note of the skips as I saw them—I had not to work any crane or engine—Harrison had to work the engine, and had to make a mark on the slate when he stopped the engine—I had pen and ink, and desk and paper—I had no book, this is the paper on which I put the weights—I peeped out of; he window—I had to keep my eye upon the thing the whole time—the skips are all put down here in two's because the truck they were turned into held two—I counted the skips and put them down at once—it occupied my attention all day—I left off counting on Saturday at 4,</p>
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<p>they had finished then—I began again on Monday morning about 7.30 and went on until 6 p.m.—I actually weighed the coal out of the barge—Harrison did not do that—I was directed to weigh them—one skip was not full—some might come up with 6 cwt. of coal in it and some with 8 cwt., none 10 or 9 cwt., the average is about 7 1/2 cwt.—the skip and coal together might weigh 12 cwt. 2 qrs. 2 lb.—a skip's weight is 3 cwt. and some pounds.,</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. The largest skip would hold about 8 1/2 cwt.—I should think that would be the maximum, they might hold more—in weighing the Jack and the Hetty I weighed the contents of those two barges in skips—I took down the quantity in each skip, that is what I entered on this paper—the largest quantity was 12cwt. 3qrs. 24lb., taking the skip and coal together—I could perfectly see the crane from the laboratory—there was no difficulty in seeing the skips as they came up—Harrison had nothing to do with the filling of the skips in the barge or tipping them into the trucks—he would have the opportunity of taking the number of each skip—he would stop the engine every time the skip came up and then make the mark.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-11" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS TISDALE</persName> </hi>. I live at 7, Dawson Cross, Fulham, and am a painter in the employ of the Mambré Saccharine Company—I did lodge in Harrison's house. I do not now—on 12th January last I went with him to Chelsea—he said he was going for his plug-money—I asked him what the governor meant by putting Ryan out there to weigh the coals—he said "I don't know, he has got something in his head"—we went to Johnson's coal-office—we waited outside, as there was somebody there he could not go in; he looked in at the window and said he could not go in while Fred the foreman was there—after waiting for about an hour he went in, I remained outside—he remained inside half an hour—I saw the foreman leave the office and go into a public-house—when Harrison came out of Johnson's office we went into the public-house to the foreman—they had some conversation together—I did not listen to it—he then re
<lb/>joined me and we left—he asked me if I knew where Ryan lived—I said I did not know, but he could very likely find him at Cox's public-house in the Fulham Road—I asked what he wanted Ryan for—he said he had got a sovereign for him, and if that would not do the foreman had got two more—I asked what he wanted to give it him for—he said "I am in a mess about the coals"—I asked him if they were short—he said yes—I asked him if he could not get the foreman to put two tons in the barge—he said two tons would be no use—I asked him if Johnson knew anything about it—he said he knew but he would not know—I said he would lose his job through it—he said "No, I have got my backers, and they will see me through it"—we then went on to Cox's public-house—before we got there he told me to go on down the town, that it would not do for me to be with him if Ryan was there, " he won't come to terms while you are with me"—he went into the public-house—Ryan was not there—I went into the house—a man there said to him that he thought the governor (meaning Mr. Francis) was going mad, as he had put a man out there to watch the barges—Harrison then said to me "Come on, Tom, it is no good now, I am shopped"—I afterwards told Mr. Francis of this conversation—Harrison spoke to me again the day I was going to Mr. Wontner's—he said "Don't mention about any letters coming to this house, and don't say anything about Ryan"—I know there had been a good many letters</p>
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<p>come for Harrison, but I did not know what they were about—they were not for me, and there was only me and Harrison in the house.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>. I had been lodging with Harrison seven months—I left a fortnight ago—I now lodge at 44, Anson Street—I am still in the employ of the Saccharine Company—Harrison and I were fellow-workmen; we were friendly together—we used to go out together in the evening and were on good terms—I knew that Ryan used Cox's public-house with the rest of us—he had not told me he should be there—I had not talked to Mr. Francis before that about the coals being short—I knew nothing about it till I spoke to Harrison on the Saturday night—I asked him about it then by seeing Ryan out there with his desk, weighing them—I did not then know that there was any short weight—I understood what he meant by plug-money—I saw Mr. Francis on the Monday morning as this occurred on the Saturday—I did not go to him, he came to me and asked me whether I was out with Harrison on Saturday night—I said "Yes"—he asked where we went and I told him—I don't know justly what he said—he asked me if Harrison had said anything to me about the coals, and what passed between us, and I told him all I have told now—I had not mentioned it to anybody else before Mr. Francis came to me—I was with Harrison that same night, and we were friendly together—I did not tell him I should tell Mr. Francis about what he had told me, and I don't suppose I should have told him if he had not come to me—what Harrison said was not "I would rather have given a sovereign than this should have happened"—I thought he might make it right with 2 tons—I suggested that he might cheat the master so; that was what I said, at any rate, and I meant it—I did not know where he was to get the 2 tons from, I left that to Harrison—Mr. Francis did not know that I was going to see Harrison about this.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-12" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS DICKENSON</persName> </hi>. I am wharf clerk to the Powell Duffryn Steam Coal Company, Limited—my office is at the Paddington railway station—our coals come from Wales by the Great Western system—we have advices of the coals when they are tipped into the barges at Chelsea, and also the numbers of the trucks—I forwarded copies of the advice notes and the weights to Johnson—Mr. Marfell is our agent for selling these coals—I advised Johnson of the barge Grace on 4th December, and of the barge Jack on 29th November by post, addressed to Mr. Johnson, coal merchant, Beaufort Street, Chelsea—of my own knowledge I knew nothing of this barge or its contents—I posted the letter myself—I was advised of five trucks and I advised Johnson of the numbers of the trucks and the weights, which amounted to 49 tons 15 cwt. by the Jack, and 38 tons 15cwt. by the Grace (four trucks); also on 8th December, by the Grace (four trucks), 38 tons 14cwt.; on 13th December, by the Elm (five trucks), 47 tons 6 cwt.; on 15th December, by the Doe (five trucks), 48 tons 9 cwt.; 22nd December, by the Ned (five trucks), 48 tons 14 cwt.; and on the same day by the Joe (five trucks), 48 tons 18 cwt.; January 1st, by the Ned (five trucks), 48 tons 16 cwt.; January 3rd, by the Henry (five trucks), 49 tons 10 cwt.; January 4th, by the Joe (five trucks), 47 tons 16 cwt.; and 8th January (five trucks), 49 tons 2 cwt.; and 9th January, by the Hetty (five trucks), 48 tons 9 cwt.—I have no record of trucks Nos. 1742 and 1356—I have not received any money in respect of these coals—the money was paid by Johnson to the company—I know nothing of two additional trucks having been paid for—I received no complaint as to the weight from Johnson, nor of any trucks missing.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. Coals are weighed at the mouth of the colliery—we have stations at Paddington and Chelsea—Johnson's barges come to Chelsea to be loaded because of the convenience of the river—both the Great Western and North-Western run there—as soon as we received notice from the colliery of certain trucks being weighed, our manager sold them, and they were tipped into barges and we had advices—there is no one here to speak to the accuracy of the weights in the trucks—we have had reports of short weights—we allowed for them—the collieries do not allow for them.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-13" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-13" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD MARFELL</persName> </hi>. I am agent in London of the Powell Duffryn Steam Coal Company, Limited—Johnson bought coals of me—I was in the habit of meeting him at the Coal Exchange—he generally bought a barge load at a time, or a sufficient number of trucks to fill a barge—the coal I supplied him with came from our colliery—about the end of last November I had a verbal arrangement with him to supply him with coal for six months at 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a ton—the expense of delivery to be his own.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. Coals fluctuate very much in the market—I have known them sell for 39
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and 21
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a ton—this bargain was made for the then current price of 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a ton—I had known Johnson previously for about ten years—he was a respectable man—I always found him honourable in his dealings—I once disputed a truck being 1 ton 11 cwt. short—I think I sold Johnson that identical truck—I do not remember whether I allowed for it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-14" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-14" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-14" type="surname" value="PRATT"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-14" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH PRATT</persName> </hi>. I live at 46, Station Street, Chelsea, and am employed at the Chelsea depôt of the London and North-Western Railway—I received orders to discharge the Powell Duffryn trucks, namely, on 29th November into the barge Jack five trucks; on 4th December into the Grace four trucks, and on 8th December four trucks; on 15th December into the Doe five trucks; on 22nd December into the Ned five trucks, and on 1st January five trucks; on 3rd January into the Henry five trucks; on 4th January into the Joe five trucks; on 9th January into the Jack five trucks—I do not find 1742 amongst the numbers of the trucks I have got—on 10th January five trucks were turned into the Hetty—neither of them was numbered 1356—the advices contain the numbers of the trucks—I did not receive any complaint from Johnson of a truck being missing.
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. We have trucks numbered up to 2000—no doubt there is a 1742—I know nothing of an inquiry for truck 1742—Mr. Wood, the foreman, gives me the numbers of the truck, and I put them in my book to advise the Colliery Company—the foreman gives the numbers to the bargemen in some cases—I always advise the merchant—I do not know of a truck being at our station on 9th January—I have no record of it—the No. 1295 was altered by me from 1275, because it was a mistake of the foreman—"not f" means that a barge is not finished in unloading on the same day.</p>
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<persName id="t18780408-name-15" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-15" type="given" value="JOB"/>JOB CLEMENTS</persName> </hi>. I am employed at the Chelsea station of the Great Western Railway—on 12th December I received directions from the Powell Duffryn Company to load the barge Elm for Johnson—it was leaded with five trucks.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-16" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-16" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH WOOD</persName> </hi>. I am foreman at the Chelsea Basin—I assisted to dis
<lb/>charge the Powell Duffryn coal trucks into Johnson's barges—I took the numbers, and reported them to Pratt, who I believe checked them—until the commencement of this prosecution I heard no complaint from the</p>
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<p>Company or Johnson about the weights, or that trucks had gone wrong.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. I have given papers of numbers hundreds of times—I do not remember giving one to anybody on 9th January of No. 1742. (
<hi rend="italic">A piece of paper was produced containing the No</hi>.1742). I believe this is my writing on the back—I gave it a lighterman to give to Johnson—I could tell you whether No. 1742 truck was there on the 9th without my book—there might be 200 or 300 waggons standing there—I have not the least idea when I wrote the number on the back of this paper—I might have picked up a piece of paper in the office and have written on it days before—I have not inquired for the truck—I am not aware that anybody has done so—some of these numbers have been put in since—I made up this book on 7th January—those are my pencil marks—as I check the waggons those figures are marked off the book—the other part might be obliterated when the dust blows—the entry Jack is mine, also those of the 4th, 7th, and 8th.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. There are five numbers on this paper, and plenty of room for another—my name is signed by the word Jack, the name of the barge—I kept this book at the time and entered the numbers of the truck—I find on the 7th we unloaded 1295, 1347, 1733 and 1363 before the Jack, and on the 8th, 1336—I find no trace of having unloaded 1742—I picked up the first bit of paper I found in the office and wrote on it—it might have had the numbers on before.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-17" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES DAUNCEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman T</hi> 307). On 22nd March I received a war
<lb/>rant for the apprehension of the prisoners—I went to the office of the Saccharine Company, and Harrison was brought there—I read the war
<lb/>rant to him—he said "Very well"—I afterwards went to Johnson's house and read the warrant to Johnson—he said "You are not going to lock me up, are you?"—I said "Yes"—he said "I have written to Mr. Francis about the coals, and told him I would send a man to weigh the barges, and if he was not satisfied he could choose one of his own men, and I would be satisfied with the conclusion he came to; I do not know what I can do more"—I omitted to state that before the Magistrate—I afterwards saw Burton at North End Road, Fulham—I read the warrant to him—he said "I am innocent"—also I think he said "I am only the agent."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BRINDLEY</hi>. He seemed surprised and said "You don't mean it."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-18" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK ABBOTT</persName> </hi>. I am an inspector to the Watermen's Company—these entries in this book are the prisoner Johnson's—the barge Jack carries 50 tons—there are many barges of this same name—this is the declaration of ownership of the Jack signed by Johnson, declaring it to carry 50 tons—the Grace is registered to carry 45 tons, the Elm 49 tons, the Henry 50, the Doe 49, and the Hetty 50.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>. Barges are registered below their actual tonnage, sometimes five, six, or even seven tons below—a Conservancy bye-law requires that a barge of over fifty tons should have two hands—it is a mooted question whether one is enough or not—I should not like to say that the tonnage is sometimes understated.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-19" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-19" type="surname" value="PRATT"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-19" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH PRATT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). There are three trucks entered in this book, Nos. 1336, 1182, and 45, to be sent by the Jack and the Hetty to Johnson, but they were labelled to Compton by mistake—a truck from the</p>
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<p>same colliery went to Compton—the words "reversed to Johnson" does not refer to the weights—Compton has his trucks labelled to himself, all the others are labelled to the Powell Duffryn Company—if we are short of a truck of the Company's we put on one of Compton's and make a remark to that effect in in the book.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A great number of witnesses deposed to Johnson's good character. Harrison also received a good character</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">As to Burton the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that the case was too slight to go to the Jury</hi> </rs>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHNSON</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY.—</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">HARRISON</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury, believing him to be a tool in the hands of Johnson.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">BURTON</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">NOT GUILTY</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, April</hi> 8
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1878.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-21" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES NORTHCOTT</persName> </hi>. I am an umbrella-maker, of 161, Tottenham Court Road—on 26th January I sold the prisoner a sixpenny cane—he gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. change, and after he left I found the half-crown was bad, and sent my son to follow him, but did not see him again—I gave the half-crown to a policeman; this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-22" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES BOND</persName> </hi>. I am a hairdresser, of 239, Oxford Street—on 22nd February I heard the prisoner ask my son for some soap, value 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I heard a coin thrown down on the counter, and my son gave me a bad florin—I told the prisoner that it was bad, he said that he was not aware of it—I gave him in charge—he was taken before a Magistrate, remanded, and eventually discharged—this is the coin (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-23" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED COUCH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 264
<hi rend="italic">C</hi>). Mr. Bond called me and I took the prisoner—he heard the charge, and said that he was not aware it was bad—he was discharged—this is the coin.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-24" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM JORDAN</persName> </hi>. I am a tobacconist, of 420, Strand—on 26th March the prisoner came in for a book of cigarette papers and half an ounce of tobacco, which came to 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he tendered a counterfeit florin—I gave him in charge with the coin.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner</hi>. I did not say that you had given my assistant bad coin until my assistant was sent for.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-25" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-25" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA VADDAN</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Jordan—on the Monday or Tuesday before this happened, March 18th or 19th, I saw the prisoner in the shop—he asked for 1/2 oz. of tobacco and a box of cigar lights, and gave me a shilling—I put it in the tester and told him it was bad—he said "Is that the shilling I gave you?"—I said "Yes, I have not got another in the till"—he took the bad one back and gave me a good one—I was sent for on the 26th and saw the prisoner in the shop—I said at first that I thought I recognised him, but when he spoke I recognised his voice and have no doubt of him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. It was in the evening, but I cannot say whether it was 7 o'clock or 9 o'clock; I know the gas was alight—it was either Monday or Tuesday.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BOWDEN</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 428). On the night of 26th March, Mr. Jordan gave the prisoner into my custody for passing a bad florin</p>
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<p>—the prisoner asked him what proof he had that he passed it; he said because he had not taken one since—I received this florin from Mr. Jordan and a bad half-crown from Northcott—I found on the prisoner a shilling, a penny, and a book of cigarette papers.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-26" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are all bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I can prove that I was not at Mr. Jordan's shop on the 19th. I never went out all day. I took the florin somewhere, and if I had known it was bad it is not likely I should have gone into the same shop where I had been refused before; as to the half-crown, I never went into the shop to my knowledge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness for the Defence</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-27" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE HAKES</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner's sister—on 19th March he came to my shop at 1 o'clock or half-past and stayed till the next day—I am certain of the date because I have looked at my book, and I remember things coming in on that day, and I bound the prisoner's coat.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. It was on a Tuesday—I cannot tell you where he was on Monday the 18th; I did not see him.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PURCELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-29" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-29" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-29" type="given" value="ROSINA"/>ROSINA STEEDER</persName> </hi>. I live with my father, a greengrocer, at 102, Boundary Road—about the end of January I served the prisoner with two-pennyworth of apples—she tendered a florin; I told her it was bad—she said that she did not know it, and asked me to give it back to her—I had seen her in the shop about a week before—she left without the apples—I kept the coin by itself and afterwards gave it to Davis.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-30" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA HAMBLING</persName> </hi>. My husband keeps a brushmaker's shop, at 13, Church Street, Marylebone—on 19th March I served the prisoner with an egg-boiler; she gave me a florin, I gave her 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change, and she left—I put the florin in the till on the top of the other money; there was no other florin there—I afterwards tried it in the tester and threw it in the fire and it melted—on 26th February the prisoner came again to the shop and I saw my sister take a florin of him—she tried it and I gave it to the detective.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-31" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-31" type="given" value="CATHERINE"/>CATHERINE WILBY</persName> </hi>. I serve in my brother's shop, 13, Church Street, Lisson Grove—on 6th February I served the prisoner with a threepenny nail-rush—he gave me a florin; I laid it on a ledge of the counter and gave her the change—my sister-in-law came into the shop, and in consequence of what she said I looked at the florin, found it was bad, and gave it to her.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-32" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES HAMBLING</persName> </hi>. I am a brush-maker, of 13, Church Street—on 5th March the prisoner came in for a penny scent fountain and gave me a florin—I told her it was bad—she said "Is it?"—I insisted on her going with me to my other shop—I took her there and asked my sister if she had ever seen her before—she said "Yes, she is the person I served with a threepenny nail-brush last week, who gave me a bad-florin"—I took her to the station and gave the florin to the detective.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. She went with me willingly, and she walked with me to the station—my name is over both my shops.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-33" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-33" type="surname" value="DAVIS"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-33" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY DAVIS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective D</hi>). On 8th March Mr. Hambling brought the</p>
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<p>prisoner to the station and gave me these two bad florins—I received this other florin from Rosina Steeder—I found on the prisoner a penny, a key, and a bag.</p>
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<persName id="t18780408-name-34" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-34" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These three florins are bad, and two of them are from the same mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner received a good character, in reply to which</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM CLIFFORD</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">Detective Y, stated that he had the prisoner in custody for passing a bad half-crown in May</hi>, 1874.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-403-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-403-18780408 t18780408-403-punishment-4"/>Two Years' Imprisonment</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-404-offence-1 t18780408-name-36"/>Earl of Denbigh</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. B. KELLY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LORD DENBIGH</hi>. On 17th January I was in my brougham in the Strand—I got out at Steward's, the optician's, having taken my spectacles out of my despatch-box. which I shut up again and ordered the brougham to meet me—when I returned I missed the box, which contained four 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes, an antique ring, and some private memoranda of great value—I had received 80
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>, in a series of 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes from Messrs. Hoare, my bankers—I have seen the notes since, but not the other contents of the box—I went straight to Bow Street.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I think I received them early in November.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-37" type="witnessName">
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note for change and I changed it—later in the day the prisoner and another man came in and the other man changed two 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes—they both stood in front of the bar—I got the notes changed and handed the other man the money, but I did not change them both at the same time—I changed the second, five minutes after the first—they drank together and I drank with them, as they asked me to have something—I took one of the notes to Mr. Fowler, of Leather Lane, and changed it, and handed the man the proceeds—I had seen the prisoner several times before—I endorsed all four notes with my name—these are them (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. This fourth note must have been changed at my house, but under what circumstances I do not recollect—it was not changed by the prisoner—the person who asked me to drink was not the prisoner—the prisoner has been at my house on several occasions—his sister lives next door to me—I was taken to identify the prisoner, and I should have walked up to him, but he said, "I know him and he knows me," and walked out—the man who changed the notes may have stayed there an hour—I believe the prisoner came in with him—I will swear he was there when I gave the money for the last note—I know the man by sight for whom I changed the second note—I did not go into the passage with him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-38" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-38" type="surname" value="BOYEL"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-38" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BOYEL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Officer</hi>). I received information on 18th January, and on 6th March I saw the prisoner in Holborn—I asked him his name—he said "William Jones"—I asked where he lived—he said 2, Bedford Row—I said "That is wrong, I do not believe it"—I told him I was a detective and took him into the gateway of Gray's Inn and searched him, but found nothing on him—I told him he would be charged on suspicion of stealing from the carriage of the Earl of Denbigh, in the Strand, a despatch-box, containing notes, a ring, and</p>
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<p>other articles—he made no reply—I took him to Bow Street, where he was placed with others, and when Goldsmith said "That is the man"—he stepped out and said "Yes, I know him."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. He said "Yes, that is quite right, I know him"—Goldsmith had walked up in front of the prisoner and pointed him out—when I caught the prisoner he was running away—I had said nothing then about my being a detective.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. He knew me, to the best of my belief—he ran away when I approached him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-39" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-39" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-39" type="surname" value="ALLISON"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-39" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN ALLISON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective E</hi>). I was at Bow Street and asked the prisoner if he was satisfied with the manner in which he had been identi
<lb/>fied—he said "Yes, I am sorry I had anything to do with the robbery; I will put Goldsmith in the box"—I asked him where the documents were—he said "They were all destroyed 10 minutes afterwards"—I asked him where the ring was—he said that it was broken up.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I did not tell him that that conversation might be used against him, but he knew I was a detective—he said "Goldsmith ought to be in the dock, he knows all about the notes"—he did not tell me that he had been in the public-house on Back Hill that day, or that he had been drinking—he gave me an address—I went there and found he did not live there, but his sister did—that was next door to Mr. Goldsmith's.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-40" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-40" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-40" type="surname" value="GOLDSMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-40" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE GOLDSMITH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). I have not been charged with being concerned in this matter—I am simply under recognisances to appear as a witness.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-41" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-41" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-41" type="surname" value="WILLIAMS"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-41" type="given" value="CHARLES JOHN"/>CHARLES JOHN WILLIAMS</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the Bank of England—I produce four 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Bank of England notes, Nos. 75736 to 75739, dated May 7, 1877, and endorsed with Goldsmith's name—they were paid into the bank through four different channels.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-42" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-42" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-42" type="surname" value="KNYVETT"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-42" type="given" value="FELIX"/>FELIX S. KNYVETT</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk at Messrs. Hoare's bank—these four notes are part of a series which I paid to Lord Denbigh on 8th November, 1877.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. To the best of my belief I paid them myself—I certainly saw his lordship, and I believe I handed them to him—they are entered in my cash book.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-404-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with a previous conviction at Clerkenwell in March</hi>, 1875,
<hi rend="italic">to which he</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>**—
<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFORD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Procecution</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-44" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HARRIS</persName> </hi>. I live at the Old Red Cow, Cleveland Street, and serve in the bar—on 19th March, about 6.30 a.m., I served the prisoner with twopennyworth of rum and milk—he tendered a shilling; I took it to the till and bent it, it bent easily—he then asked for twopennyworth of tobacco, and while doing so Constable O'Neil came in—I told the prisoner the shilling was bad, and handed it to O'Neil—the prisoner put down a florin and I gave him the change and told him to leave his name and address, which he did, and said that he worked at Mr. White's, the builder's—the policeman kept the shilling and I told him to follow him—I went outside the door and saw him standing at the corner of the grove putting his head round the corner—two policemen came up and took him; he was brought back and searched, but no bad money was found.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner</hi>. I could see you when I first came out, but I did not see another man—I do not know which way you went; I went in to the customers.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-45" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-45" type="surname" value="MCGOWAN"/>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 219). On 19th March, about 6.80, I saw the prisoner near Cleveland Grove, 20 or 30 yards from the Old Red Cow—he kicked a black rag and covered it up with mud—I afterwards met O'Neil and went back with him to the public-house, when the prisoner was taken back and searched—I afterwards went back and picked up the black rag, it contained six bad shillings with paper between each—I showed them to the prisoner, and he asked where I got them—I told him where I spoke to him at the corner of Cleveland Bow—he said that he knew nothing about them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. You were in Cleveland Grove when I spoke to you, and you kicked the black rag away—I saw no man there—I went to the station and told Harris to take you, as you had been taken to the Bethnal Green station before for a similar offence but not charged—I did not pick up the rag when you kicked it because I did not know then that you had been passing bad money—I never saw you drunk on my beat and
<hi rend="italic">shoved</hi> you away—I know that a coffee-shop keeper charged you with passing bad money—I was at the station at the time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. No one else was near when he kicked the rag.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-46" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-46" type="surname" value="O'NEILL"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-46" type="given" value="EUGENE"/>EUGENE O'NEILL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 424). I was in the Old Red Cow at 6.30 a.m., and heard the prisoner call for some rum and milk and tobacco—he tendered a shilling, which the barman said was bad—I asked his name and address—he said "George Smith, 9, Arthur Street, Wells Street, Hackney"—he left, and I followed-him to the comer of Cleveland Street, and met another policeman, who told me that he had been taken to Bethnal Green on a similar charge—I went after him, took him, and found 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on him—I took him to the station, when McGowan gave me six bad shillings, and said that he found them at the corner of the street where the prisoner was standing—they were in this black rag (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) with paper between them—the prisoner gave a different ad
<lb/>dress at the station—I saw no one else at the comer of Cleveland Row.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. The constable passed the corner while you were there and spoke to you, and I said when we were at the corner "You had better see if you find anything there"—after he picked it up he came after us.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-47" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-47" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. The shilling uttered is bad—these six shillings are also bad, and among them are two from the same mould as the one uttered.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I am an honest, hard-working man. It is not feasible that I should go and pass bad money with a constable at my elbow. My only fault is drink. If the constable saw me kick a black rag, would he not have picked it up? I earn 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week, and should not throw myself away for bad money.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner received a good character</hi>.
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<interp inst="t18780408-405-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>. (
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.,</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutors.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Impri
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, April</hi> 9
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1878.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and other moneys of
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<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months' Imprison
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<hi rend="italic">Twenty Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="italic">He received a good character' but Mr. Poland, for the Prosecution, stated that there were</hi> 35
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. belonging to
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Donovan</hi>.</p>
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<lb/>terfere with me—he struck my wife and I struck him—I was thrown on the ground and forced into the street—about a dozen people were in the fish shop—two men seized my rifle and tried to take it from me—I struggled—Hurley struck me on the nose and knocked me down—I was kicked—my wife was then in the shop—I felt that my bayonet was being drawn—I heard my wife call out "Murder," "Police"—I lost my bayonet—when I got up a man gave me information—I walked with him till we met a policeman, in Commercial Road, when he ran away—I saw my wife when I got up; she said "I have lost my purse," and I said, "I have lost my bayonet"—the man who went away was one of the men who held me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. I had not seen Hurley before that I know—I believe he is a militiaman—he was not in uniform.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Hurley</hi>. I called for fish and potatoes—I had no time to pay—you were at the far end of the shop—I did not swing my gun</p>
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<p>about—You did not tell me to be quiet—I struck you after you struck my wife—I did not threaten to hit you with my bayonet and challenge you to fight—I do not know who put me out.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. I only quarrelled with Hurley—he began it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. This is my tunic which I was wearing—it is all blood
<lb/>stained—I was perfectly sober—I put my arms round my wife's neck to save her from further violence—I did not strike Hurley till he struck my wife.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-71" type="given" value="BARBARA"/>BARBARA EDGELL</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Edgell—I was in his company on the evening of the 9th March in the fish shop—I heard Hurley say to my husband "Put that bayonet down, I know how to use it as well as you do, and if you do not put it down I will put it through your b—guts"—my husband was pushed out—when I came out I saw a man standing over my husband with a bayonet as if he was going to push it in him—Hurley put his hand in my pocket and took out my purse—I held him by the collar—the shop door was shut—1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. Was in the purse—there was a half-sovereign, two two-shilling pieces, some shillings and small change—it was a brown leather purse—Donovan came up and said "Have you got it?"—Hurley said "Yes"—Donovan kicked me on the leg and ran away—I was then obliged to let go my hold of Hurley—I went into the fried-fish shop about 10 minutes to 12, and the affair lasted about three-quarters of an hour.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. I did not see my husband thrown down—I saw Hurley when he came out of the fish shop—there were twenty or thirty people outside—Donovan is a stranger to me—there was plenty of light from a public-house and from a lamp—Donovan appeared to be waiting for Hurley—he was close to the fish-shop door—I did not hear the policeman say "That is one of them"—Donovan was taken to the station; another man followed him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I described Donovan to the inspector.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-72" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE SEABRIGHT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 67). From information I received, I stopped Donovan in Little Pole Street at 12.45 on 10th March—Mrs. Edgell was with me—she identified him—I told him the charge—he replied that he had not been in the fish shop or near it, but that he had been to an Irish wake and had only just come out—I was at the station when Mrs. Edgell came, and it was from her description that I appre
<lb/>hended Donovan—I went to Hurley's house with another constable—I told him the charge—he replied that he had been drinking at a public-house in Whitechapel and had heard of the occurrence about an hour previous—at the station he said he saw and knew all about it, but he did not leave the fish shop but stayed in the shop the whole time—I found nothing on him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. I put down Mrs. Edgell's description of Donovan at the time (
<hi rend="italic">referring to it</hi>)—she said he was about seventeen, about 5 feet 1 or 2 inches, dressed in a black coat, a round felt hat, and a black and white scarf—I might have apprehended any boy answer
<lb/>ing that description—Donovan said the wake was in Vine Yard—I heard that there had been an Irish wake in Vine Yard.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I knew Donovan by sight.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-73" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK WHISBEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 131). I was at the station when Donovan was brought in, also when Mrs. Edgell gave a description of Hurley, and I went with Seabright to Hurley's lodging in Spitalfields and asked for James Hurley—Michael Hurley came, and said "I know</p>
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<p>what you are come about, that affair in Pole Street. I was drinking in the Whitechapel Road and I heard of it and came through the court at 12.45"—I said "You had better come downstairs; you seem to know all about it"—he put on his trousers, but refused to come down—the prosecutor and prosecutrix went upstairs and the prosecutrix identified him as the man who had taken her purse—at the station he told the sergeant that he was at the fish shop and knew the man who had taken the bayonet.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Hurley</hi>. I asked for your brother; your mother answered the door—it was about 2.30 a.m.—she said she had not seen your brother for some time—your two sisters were in the room.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-74" type="surname" value="REGAN"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-74" type="given" value="DENNIS"/>DENNIS REGAN</persName> </hi>. I remember the night of the row—I was with Donovan at a wake in Vine Court, Pearl Street, about two minutes' walk from the fish shop—we left the wake about 1.15 or 1.30—we passed the fish shop when the constable took Donovan—we went into no fish shop that night—we had been at the wake since 9 p.m.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>. Donovan did not leave the house where the wake was to fetch beer or anything—he sat by me in the middle of the room—I told Mrs. Edgell when Donovan was taken that he took no purse—I do not know Hurley—I have never seen him in Donovan's company.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-75" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL DONOVAN</persName> </hi>. The prisoner Donovan is my son—he is employed by the Midland Railway Company—I never heard any complaint against him—he was not acquainted with Hurley that I am aware of.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-76" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-76" type="given" value="NEAL"/>NEAL EANIE</persName> </hi>. I am an inspector on the Midland Railway—I have known Donovan two years and eight months—he was employed by the Company as van-guard—he was well conducted and honest.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-77" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HUDSON</persName> </hi>. I live at 19, Bethnal Green Road—I employ Hurley occasionally—I keep this fried fish shop—the volunteer came in and ordered some fish and potatoes—I stopped for the money—there was a row—I ordered them all out of the shop because it was closing time—they went out and I followed and shut the door—the volunteer went first and a young
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi> was between Hurley and Mrs. Edgell—Hurley was among them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>. I did not hear Mrs. Edgell call out that she had lost her purse—I did not see Donovan there—I first heard of the robbery on the Sunday morning.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">William Francis Edgell, Barbara Edgell, George Seabright, Frederick Whisbey, and William Hudson repeated the evidence given by them in the preceding trial, Seabright adding</hi>, "
<hi rend="italic">Hurley denied the assault; he said he did not do anything at all, but he saw it</hi>."
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, April</hi> 9
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1878.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Rober Malcolm Kerr, Esq</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.,</rs> and
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.
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<interp inst="t18780408-419-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ADOLPH MEYERS</hi> (21)</persName>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-420-offence-1 t18780408-name-88"/>Robert James Gow</persName>, and eight boxes of cigars from
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-420-offence-1 t18780408-name-89"/>Charles Nohaschik</persName>, with intent to defraud.—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-420-18780408 t18780408-420-punishment-18"/>
<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>.
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<interp inst="t18780408-420-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="def1-421-18780408" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM HILL</hi> (25)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18780408-421-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-421-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/> to unlawfully conspiring with another person to obtain a situation as barman.</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.
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<interp inst="t18780408-421-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> And</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN BARNARD FALVEY</hi> (62)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18780408-422-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="bankrupcy"/> to unlawfully failing to discover to his trustees the whole of his estate, to wit, certain furniture—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-422-18780408 t18780408-422-punishment-20"/>
<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.
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<interp inst="t18780408-422-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-422-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE SMITH</hi> </persName> (
<hi rend="italic">see page</hi> 552) was
<hi rend="italic">again</hi> indicted
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<interp inst="t18780408-423-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/> for unlaw
<lb/>fully uttering counterfeit coin twice on the same day.
<hi rend="italic">Second Count</hi> charging a single uttering.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAWFORD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LLOYD</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">for the Prosecution, abandoned the First Count, and proceeded on the Second Count only</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM WEBSTER</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">repeated their former evidence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE LE HAY</hi> (22)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18780408-24-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="violentTheft"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-24-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="robbery"/>, Robbery, with another person, on
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-24-offence-1 t18780408-name-95"/>Henry Corkey</persName>, and stealing from his person 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., his money.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PURCELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-96" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-96" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-96" type="surname" value="CORKEY"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-96" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY CORKEY</persName> </hi>. I live at 60, Oxley Street, and am in no employment—on 6th March, between 10 and 11 p.m., the prisoner and another man overtook me in the Commercial Road—the prisoner came on my right, and the other man on my left—the prisoner asked me to treat them—I refused, and walked on a few yards further, and he put his hand into my trousers pocket and took some money, and at the same time I was tripped up and my ear and finger were cut—I had seen my money safe when I had a glass of beer just before—it was in my waistcoat pocket, which was torn when it was taken out—I met a constable and described the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I was not quite sober—I did not pass two police sta
<lb/>tions—I know there was a police-court within 50 yards—I walked about half a mile before I spoke to a policeman—the other man was much taller than the prisoner—I did not notice his beard—he was as much un
<lb/>like the prisoner as he possibly could be—Sandy asked me if I could identify the prisoner, I said that I could not—that was not in front of the cell—I was taken to a cell in which were two men—I do not think any
<lb/>thing was said to me, I simply said "That is the man."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-97" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-97" type="surname" value="SANDY"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-97" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN SANDY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 169). I took the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-24-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY MORGAN</hi> (49)</persName>
<rs id="t18780408-425-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18780408-425-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-425-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>. Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MILLWOOD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-99" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-99" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-99" type="surname" value="LEWIS"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-99" type="given" value="SOLOMON"/>SOLOMON LEWIS</persName> </hi>. I am a clothier, of 72. East Smithfield—on 22nd March the prisoner came and asked me to discount this advance note—</p>
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<p>I asked him if he had signed the ship's articles—he said "Yes, at Green's"—I asked him what he wanted—he said "5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in cash and 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in goods"—it was endorsed "Henry Morgan"—when he presented it I said "How did you obtain it? tell me truthfully"—he said "To tell you the truth, I bought it for a penny, and got a friend to fill it in for me"—I said "You could not buy it for a penny, because the note is a penny and the stamp a penny, that is 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>."—I sent for a policeman and gave him in charge.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-100" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-100" type="surname" value="WAKEMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-100" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED WAKEMAN</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Mr. King, of 65, Cornhill—I know Captain Cowell—I believe he is in America—he left in November last—he was the captain of one of our ships—I know his signature; this is not his signature—the ship had not signed articles on March 23rd.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-101" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-101" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-101" type="surname" value="MAYER"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-101" type="given" value="MICHAEL"/>MICHAEL MAYER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 272
<hi rend="italic">H</hi>). I was called and the prisoner was given into my charge—he said that he bought the note and another party filled it in for him—I took him to the station and found on him another advance note, signed J. Cowell, Master, and dated 23rd March, payable to the order of James McDonald—I also found an old advance note upon him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I had seen the gentleman who gave me the note two or three times before. He asked me if I was in want of a ship and if I had my certificate in my pocket. I showed it to him, and he said "I can give you half a month's advance now. "He did so, and I took it to a man who said he believed it was forged. I paid him 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. commission, and I have never received my certificate and papers since they were taken from me at the police-station. I have been six years in one employ, and was chief engineer of the Gresham in 1874.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-425-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">STEPHEN HENRY GOOCH</hi> (26)</persName> was indicted
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-103" type="surname" value="PROCTOR"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-426-offence-1 t18780408-name-103"/>Helen Lucy Proctor</persName>.
<hi rend="italic">Other Counts</hi> for other libels.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOUGLAS METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-104" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-104" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-104" type="surname" value="PAGE"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-104" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL PAGE</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to James Proctor, of 22, Wellclose Square—on 27th February I went to Milner Square, Islington, and saw the prisoner write this receipt marked X (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—he said that his hand shook—Woolley was present and saw him write it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-105" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-105" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-105" type="surname" value="WOOLLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-105" type="given" value="JAMES CREWER"/>JAMES CREWER WOOLLEY</persName> </hi>. I live at Alsop Mews, Upper Baker Street—I was with Page on 27th February, and saw him give the prisoner 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and the prisoner wrote this receipt X.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-106" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-106" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-106" type="surname" value="CROUCH"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-106" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN CROUCH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 288
<hi rend="italic">G</hi>). I was entrusted with a warrant against the prisoner—I took him on 8th March and read the warrant to him—I searched him at the station and found this Alexandra Palace season ticket on him, also a letter, a portion of an envelope addressed Mrs. A. Elmer, 1, Cliff Town Parade, Southend, an envelope addressed S. H. Gooch, 13, Milner Square, Islington, and a memorandum and letter from the Alexandra Palace.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-107" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-107" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-107" type="surname" value="FISHER"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-107" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED FISHER</persName> </hi>. I am a correspondent in the manager's department of the Alexandra Palace—this memorandum and letter found on the prisoner are in my writing—they were sent in answer to letters L., M., and N.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-108" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-108" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-108" type="surname" value="PROCTOR"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-108" type="given" value="HELEN LUCY"/>HELEN LUCY PROCTOR</persName> </hi>. I am the prosecutor's wife—I received these letters A., B., D., F., and H. by post—one of them is dated 22nd October, 1877, which was the anniversary of my wedding day—another</p>
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<p>is dated 2nd December, 1877, the anniversary of my husband's birth
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. Miss Elmer is my sister—she is on very friendly terms with the prisoner, but I do not know him at all.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-109" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-109" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-109" type="surname" value="PROCTOR"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-109" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PROCTOR</persName> </hi>. I have never spoken to the prisoner or communi
<lb/>cated with him in any way—I only know him by repute—in conse
<lb/>quence of something I heard I made a communication to Mrs. Elmer—the first anonymous letter was on 2nd December, 1876—I kept them all—five of them are to Mrs. Proctor, four of which she gave me, and one I received from the postman on 3rd January—I also received these two from Mr. Hoppe, marked C. and G.—I then advertised in all the daily papers—it is not true that I gave a woman money not to go to my wife, nor about the child, nor about giving money to a woman—after the receipt of letter H at the beginning of the year I took steps to get the prisoner's writing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-110" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-110" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HOPPE</persName> </hi>. I live at 8, Crescent, Edmonton, and am Mr. Proctor's uncle—I received letters C and G by post and gave them to Mr. Proctor—I had received one before, which I burnt.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. Since the prisoner has been in custody a letter to Mr. Proctor was sent to my care—he has it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-111" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PROCTOR</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). On the Saturday after the prisoner was committed for trial on Friday I received a letter addressed to Mrs. Proctor—it is in a different writing to the other, and was simply obscene, quite distinct from the others, and one which a blackguard might write—the prisoner had been on bail during the remand, but he was in prison when I received that letter.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. When he was committed for trial I saw him in con
<lb/>versation with Miss Elmer.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-112" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-112" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN ELMER</persName> </hi>. I received letter E addressed to me at Adelaide Terrace, Packington Street—my unmarried daughter was living at home with me—Mrs. Proctor lives at a different place—I have known the prisoner twelve months—I had no conversation with him about the receipt of this letter—Miss Elmer is only half-sister of Mrs. Proctor.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ELLIS</hi>. I live at Lower Edmonton—I received letter I by post and handed it to Mr. Proctor—I am not his landlord, but I was instrumental in conveying the lease to him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-113" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES CHABOT</persName> </hi>. These letters L and M are in the same writing as the direction to this season ticket—these letters A to I are all in the same writing and the envelopes also—there is not the slightest doubt about it, but they are in a distorted hand.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. In twenty-five years I may have made some mistakes as to writing—juries have found so, but other juries have contradicted them—Mr. Netherclift is another expert—there are occasions on which the has been of one opinion and I of another.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. The word "to" occurs in all the admitted letters, and in every instance the "o" is finished in a very marked manner, and it occurs several times in the anonymous letters in the same emphatic manner—that appears to be an inveterate habit, and the "o" in "you" is habitually the same—"you" occurs twice in letter L and several times in the other letters—the defendant, although he writes a very good hand, hardly knows how to form the "k," it is sometimes hardly distinguish
<lb/>able from "h," and in other places it looks like "In," and I find in the</p>
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<p>anonymous letter the "k" is formed both ways—then there is the "k" in the word "think"—there are a number of other points, but I have selected the strongest—it would take a very long time to go through them all—in all the letters there is a dash after the date, and in some of the anonymous letters there is the same kind of dash—I must also call atten
<lb/>tion to the figures 7 and 8; they do not occur in every letter, but there are some in both—I could carry on my evidence
<hi rend="italic">ad infinitum</hi>—all the admitted letters begin as close to the margin as possible—that is an in
<lb/>veterate habit, and without exception the anonymous letters begin in the same way and they all correspond—they are begun so close to the edge that there is no room to put a letter in—I was employed before Mr. Netherclift—I saw some of the letters ten months ago, before the others arrived—the writing of two persons was submitted to me, one ten months ago and one six months ago—I negatived both.</p>
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<persName id="t18780408-name-114" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-114" type="given" value="FREDERICK JOHN"/>FREDERICK JOHN NETHERCLIFT</persName> </hi>. I did not know that Mr. Chabot had been employed, and I have formed my opinion separate and apart from him—I have heard his evidence—acting independently of him, I noticed the same points as he did with the exception of the dash, and I wish to call attention to the manner of crossing the capital F; the cross goes through it—there are many F's in the correspondence, every time it says, "From a Friend"—speaking generally, I have not had the slightest diffi
<lb/>culty in coming to a conclusion.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I made a careful comparison of the letters, but the dash escaped me altogether—Mr. Chabot and I have disagreed as to the signature to a will—I have sworn to the best of my belief one way, and he has sworn to the best of his belief the other way.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-115" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-115" type="surname" value="HALL"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-115" type="given" value="PHILIP"/>PHILIP HALL</persName> </hi>. I live in the Green Lanes, Hornsey—I have known the prisoner nine years—I have received about four letters from him—to the best of my belief these letters are not in the prisoner's writing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I went to the police-court with the prisoner's father and saw Miss Elmer there—I have known her intimately for some years—she asked me to come and give evidence for the prisoner—I heard the solicitor apply to the Magistrate that I should be allowed to look at the letters—to the best of my belief I never said "It is of no use calling me as a witness"—I did not decline to be called—I did not see the pri
<lb/>soner give Miss Elmer a letter at the police-court—I went away with her when the prisoner asked me to take charge of her—these letters (
<hi rend="italic">Looking at some others</hi>) are more likely to be in the prisoner's writing than the former ones—I should say that they are his—I see the words "the fact of it is" in letter J, 6th line, and I see the same words in letter M, from the Alexandra Palace, but they do not resemble—I say that they are not written by the same hand because they differ—looking at the M in "Mid
<lb/>dlesex" on this envelope addressed to Mrs. Proctor, and the M in "Milner Square" on the other envelope, in my opinion they do not resemble, there is a slight difference—in letter N there is a capital letter to the word "Holder" in "Season ticket Holder," that is somewhat similar to the letter H in the word "Hoppe," but there is a difference in the loop—I adhere to my opinion that the anonymous letters are not written by the prisoner—they are not in the same hand as the letters from the Alexandra Palace Company.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I have no other object in coming here but to give my opinion to the best of my belief.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-116" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-116" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-116" type="surname" value="GOOCH"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-116" type="given" value="ROSE BEATRICE"/>ROSE BEATRICE GOOCH</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner's sister, and acquained with his writing—I have seen these anonymous letters once before—they are not in the least like my brother's writing—I have sat beside him many years learning from him, and I know his writing well.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I did not attend before the Magistrate—I saw them first last Saturday—these other three letters (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are my brother's writing—I saw them at the Court on Saturday—I sat beside my brother when one or two of them were written—looking at the words "The fact of it is" in this letter, and the same words in letter J, some part is alike, but very little—the word "is" is the only part that is alike—that is not because it is written a little more uprightly, for the purpose of disguise; I do not think they are written by the same hand—there is a similarity between the letters "Ho" in "Holder" and "Ho" in "Hoppy"—it is easy enough to copy—I can copy my brother's writing—I never spoke to Miss Elmer—my father and I attended at the police-court—my brother did not return with us, but he was bailed the next day—he had been on bail for a week.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I saw the writing at this Court on Saturday, and I have looked at the letters to-day and have given most truthful evidence.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-117" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-117" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-117" type="surname" value="GOOCH"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-117" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD GOOCH</persName> </hi>. The defendant is my son—I am well acquainted with the character of his writing—I examined these letters on Saturday, to the best of my belief they are not his writing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I have only spoken to Miss Elmer since my son has been in custody—I think I attended the police-court on the first occasion—on the second occasion he was represented by a solicitor, and I sat at the table and saw the writing—I rather think Mr. Hall was sitting at the back—Mr. Isherwood was also there, and I took Mr. Williams, a writing master, there to examine the writing—he professes to be an expert in writing—I did not hear a request by Mr. Williams and Mr. Isherwood that I should examine the letters in Court—Mr. Williams did not report to me that the writing was the same as the writing produced from the Alexandra Palace—he did not report that it was the same writing as the receipt, he seemed to think there was a degree of similarity—Mr. Williams is not interested in my son, he came for the purpose of giving his opinion; he was a stranger to all the parties—he, in my presence, examined some portion of the anonymous letters with the receipt—I do not recollect his saying that the similarity was so great that he could not give evidence for me—I did not decline to go into the witness box—I have no recollection of saying "You must not call me"—Mr. Williams and Hall and I were there looking at the letters, and none of us were called.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I was represented by Mr. Ricketts, a solicitor, and left it to him.</p>
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<persName id="t18780408-name-118" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-118" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-118" type="surname" value="ELMER"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-118" type="given" value="ANNIE MARIA"/>ANNIE MARIA ELMER</persName> </hi>. I know the prisoner and have received several letters from him—I saw these nine letters on Saturday; to the best of my belief they are not his writing—I know nothing about this letter.(
<hi rend="italic">The one received after the prisoner's committal for trial</hi>.) I did not write it—I heard that libels had been written to Mr. Proctor and my half-sister, but I do not know who the writer is.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I have no letters with me—I did not ask anybody to</p>
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<p>go to the police-court to be a witness in the prisoner's favour—I cannot recollect whether I was in Packington Street on Tuesday evening, January 1, 1878, with the prisoner—he did not show me an anonymous letter—I have been told from time to time of my half-sister receiving these letters—I did not decline to give any opinion about them, I was never asked—the only one I saw was one which my mother received, letter E; that came by post, and I opened it—that was on 22nd October, 1877, and I knew that that was Mrs. Proctor's wedding-day—I don't know whether it came on her wedding-day; it has a post-mark—the writing does not resemble the prisoner's in the least.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I would not in any way have countenanced libels on my half-sister.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The letters were as follow—Letter A</hi>:—"Madam, I sit down to write this letter with great pain, as it will cause you to believe in your husband no more. Believe me I do not do it to annoy you, but to show up your hus
<lb/>band, James Proctor. He has been the ruin of me, and I do not see that I should spare him. You had two of your servants leave you in the family way, and if you do not keep a sharp look-out you may have more in the same way. Numbers of nights when your husband has been stopping late, and told you it's been business, he has been with me. He boasts openly that he has had twenty women since he has been married. From what I know of him I should think it quite possible. When he was with me one night he happened to drop three letters; they had your address, a Mrs. Elmer's, and a Mr. Hoppe's. I mean to send them all a letter each, and if I can get hold of any of his relations' addresses I will send them letters also. I do not like to see people imposed upon, so I have gotten my brother to write these letters. Should I hear any more about his goings on with other women I will let you know. From a Friend."
<hi rend="italic">Letter B stated</hi>: "Since I wrote last your husband as called on me several times and tried to come to an arrange
<lb/>ment. He offered me 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if I would not write any more letters,"&c.—
<hi rend="italic">C was addressed to Mr. Hoppe, signed</hi> "From a Friend,"
<hi rend="italic">and stated</hi>: "I take up my pen once again to
<hi rend="italic">worn</hi> you
<hi rend="italic">again</hi> a person named James Proctor. He has been the ruin of me, and he boasts that he has of others,"&c.—
<hi rend="italic">D was addressed to Mrs. Proctor, post-mark October</hi> 22
<hi rend="italic">nd</hi>, 1877, "From a Deluded One,"
<hi rend="italic">and stated</hi>: "Your husband has visited me several times since I last wrote. The child I have by him is now four years old, and doing well. If you really want to find him out, just employ a private detective to watch him, &c. James pays regularly towards the support of the child, or you would have had me down before this. "—
<hi rend="italic">E was also signed</hi> "From a Deluded One,"
<hi rend="italic">addressed to Mrs. Ellmer, post-mark October</hi> 22
<hi rend="italic">nd</hi>, 1877.
<hi rend="italic">It stated</hi>: "I have known him (
<hi rend="italic">Mr. Proctor</hi>) though to my sorrow in private life. I may tell you at once that I have a child four years old by him which he pays for the keep of. I threatened to come and expose him to you, but he paid me a sum of money to forego it."—
<hi rend="italic">Letters F and G to Mrs. Proctor and Mrs. Hoppe, unsigned, stated</hi>: "My mother was an Italian woman; you will understand an Italian never forgives."—
<hi rend="italic">H was addressed to Mrs. Proctor and stated</hi>: "I met your husband a short time back with your son, and he then told me he had had an addition to his family in the shape of another boy. That of course makes three sons that you have now with my one. I do not think I ever saw a more ugly child than the one he had with him. I hope your</p>
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<p>next is better looking, &c. I am sorry to think you are married to such a villain, but you cannot help that."—
<hi rend="italic">E was addressed to Mr. G. Ellis, Mr. Proctor's landlord, and stated</hi>: "You have heard of the servants leav
<lb/>ing his service in the family-way; well, I am another of his victims in the same way. He makes his wife believe that he is hard at work all day, when, in reality, he spends his time with fast women."
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<interp inst="t18780408-426-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, April</hi> 10
<hi rend="italic">th, and Thursday</hi>, 11
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1878.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Baron Huddleston</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>, Q. C.,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT WILLAMS</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—she called the use of the wash enamel
<lb/>ling—when she mentioned enamelling I said I would not be painted—she said it had the same relation to her wash as that of a painter to his painting, or a doctor and his prescription—she said it was not paint or anything approaching paint—she said "Do you know Lady Dudley?"—I said I did—she asked me if I thought she was painted, and I said "No"—she said Lady Dudley had used her washes fifty times, and that, she was finishing her process with Lady Dudley at that time—she said, as to the use of these things, that the effect would be like that of a Turkish bath—I was to write to her and put "enamelling" or a "little enamel
<lb/>ling" in my note—she said her fee was a thousand guineas, and that the process would take some months—all this was said before I went to Rome—she said on one occasion a lady who had left the shop had told her I</p>
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<p>was Signor Mario's daughter, and I said it was so—she said she had heard I could sing; she had been told so by persons who had heard me in society—I saw in the shop in Duke Street a bust of the great Rachel the
<hi rend="italic">tragedienne</hi>—I asked if she was any relation of hers; she said she was—I saw a portrait of Rachel as well—I then went to Rome about the end of February, 1877, and came home the 25th or 26th of May—before going away to Rome I wrote this letter to the prisoner. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "I was not able to leave on the 5th, but I shall start on the 17th. Could you see me on Friday or Saturday morning? If at all events you could send me a little enamelling, it would spare you sending any to Rome. If you can please try to see me about this matter, if you are not too ill. Address me as ' Mrs. Pearse, 40, Ebury Street, ' without putting your name to the letter.—C. M. P.—Please burn this letter.") That I wrote before going to Rome—I did not, to the best of my recollec
<lb/>tion, see her again—on returning home I found she had changed her shop from Duke Street to 153, Great Portland Street—at that time I was not acquainted with Mrs. Crossman Turner, but I received a letter from her, which I destroyed—in consequence of the receipt of this letter I went to Mrs. Turner's house at St. John's Wood, and it was arranged I should meet her at 153, Great Portland Street—at that time I was not aware the prisoner was the mother of Mrs. Turner—when I went to meet her some time in June, 1877, it was my second visit to Great Port
<lb/>land Street—I then ascertained, for the first time, that the defendant was Mrs. Turner's mother—on the first occasion of going to Portland Street Mrs Turner was not there—I had no conversation then with the defendant about enamelling—we never spoke about that any more, but I bought another bottle of wash, which I paid for—I remember asking why she did not apply the process to herself, and she said, "Oh, when you are about 60 your skin will be in such a healthy and purified state that you will look as young as you do now"—I asked why she did not apply it to herself—she said, "Are you aware how old I am?"—I said I was not, and then she said she was 85—that was what took place at the first interview at Great Portland Street—at the next meeting I met Mrs. Turner, and there was then some conversation about giving a con
<lb/>cert, and I was invited to sing—my husband knew of this invitation by Mrs. Turner to sing at this concert for the Turkish Compassionate Fund—it was an invitation by Mrs Turner—the prisoner asked me not to men
<lb/>tion to my husband who she was, she said she had been locked up five years through a conspiracy some years ago, that she had cleared her name before the public, but that she would rather I should not mention that I knew her—in the course of conversation with reference to the concert, the name of Mr. Arthur Sullivan was mentioned, and she said she knew of me through him—the name of Lady Coutts-Lindsay was mentioned, and reference was made to a concert at Stafford House—she asked me if I knew the Duchess of Sutherland—I said I did and I would write to her—the ques
<lb/>tion of the Turkish concert was discussed—there was also a question of getting up a concert for my father—Mrs. Turner, who was on the stage, said that she knew more about the artistes and could get persons to help—it has never taken place—it was to be in two or three months—while that concert was under conversation, Madame Rachel said she was using her influence to obtain patronage and subscriptions—Her Majesty sent a sub
<lb/>scription to the fund for my father, and I mentioned it to Madame</p>
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<p>Rachel, and she said she was not astonished, for it was through her influence that the Queen sent it—she said she brought her influence to bear upon the Queen through ladies of honour near the Queen—she showed me a letter—she said a good lot of things about the concert—I recollect the first occasion when the sum of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was mentioned—after using the washes an eruption came out—that was about the end of December, 1877—in the intervening period from June to December I oc
<lb/>casionally used these washes—I paid her altogether, from the first I saw of her, about 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—in buying these washed I believed the statement she made as to the effects the wash would have in clearing and cleans
<lb/>ing my complexion—I believed the statement that these washes were used by ladies whose names she mentioned—after this rash came out upon my face I went to Madame Rachel, and called her attention to the state of my face—she said I was in a terrible state, that all the pores of my skin were open, and that unless I let her finish her process at once I should be ruined for life—I said to her, "I must go to my doctor"—she said it would do me no good, that it was not a matter of the con
<lb/>stitution, but entirely that of the skin—she said she had studied the skin for more than 30 years, and that doctors brought ladies there to her to be cured of any rash or marks on the skin or complexion, conse
<lb/>quently she was the only person who could save me from being dis
<lb/>figured—she then said, "You know my fee is a thousand guineas, but for you, as you are a friend of my daughter's, I will make it 500"—I said, "It is impossible; I cannot do it"—she said, "Very well, you will be sorry in after life; and I warn you, you are in such a state that if you put even cold cream or water on your face you will be disfigured for life"—that ended the interview, and I went away—in consequence of a letter I received from the defendant I went and saw her—a sum of 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was then mentioned—she said she could not bear to see me in the terrible state I was, but if I would let her finish the process she would take 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; that Lady Dudley had given her 2000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the same thing, so of course it was worth while my giving 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—on that occasion I wrote this letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) to the defendant, not at her dictation—I wrote that from my house—it was the same day—I wrote that letter on December 21st, 1877. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Dear Friend, I have ascertained that by the first or middle of February I can have the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Now will you promise me faithfully to finish me for that sum? if not, alas, I must throw up the whole thing. Please send me a small pot of cream, for I have very little to last till February. Please give Jane an answer, as I hardly know what I have to do for that sum; so if you say frankly you won't, I must of course stop what I have begun to realise the same. I cannot promise any more.—Yours, C. M. P. Please send me Gye's letter. If you consent to finish me for that sum, I will give you 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. the first day I see you, and the other 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. the day you tell me I am finished. Is that right?") In order to carry, out what I promised in that letter I went to several money-lenders for the purpose of raising the money, but found I could not do it without my husband's signature—I then wrote a letter to the defendant—that was two or three days after the other letter—I wrote to say that I could not pay more than 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I sent it by my maid Orsolina, an Italian, who brought back a message that I was to go and see the de
<lb/>fendant—I went with my maid—she then began by asking if I could not in any way give her the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I said "No"—she then suggested I</p>
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<p>should draw the sum from my father's fund at Coutts's—I said that would be robbing my father, and I got up to leave the room—she said, "You use too strong a term"—she thought over the matter for a time, and then she said she would do it for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—there was a conversation as to how the money was to be obtained—I said I did not know how I could manage it, unless I pledged my jewels—she said she had jewels in the next room brought to her by Lady Dudley's maid, that there had been a reward offered for them of 1000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., that there were diamonds as big as the top of her thumb—she stated the value of them to be 8, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—as to my jewels, the matter ended there—as I was going down, a woman, who was coming up met me—when I got to the bottom of the stairs I heard Madame Rachel say that it was Lady Dudley's maid—she had a room in Great Portland Street on the first-floor—it was like an ordinary drawing-room, but on the table there were bottles and things—I cannot say what other rooms were occupied by her—on the day following, Saturday, in the morning, about ten o'clock, I went to Great Portland Street, and took my jewels. (
<hi rend="italic">The jewels were produced</hi>.) that is the case in which I put them, and the jewels produced are mine—most of them were my mother's—I saw Madame Rachel—I said I had brought my jewels, and that later I would bring her the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—she said they were in trustworthy hands—she again remarked that I was in a terrible state—the rash was still out upon me—my husband had noticed the state of my skin—she said the bath she would give me would take it away—she had not said anything about a bath before, but she pulled it from under the table, and said that I was to have a bath there and then—it was a tin bath, an ordinary hip-bath—she refused to do anything to take away the rash until she saw the jewels—I had a bath, and my maid was present—I handed my jewels over into the custody of the defendant—at that time I believed the rash upon my face was a serious matter—I believed the defendant had the power to cure that rash—I still believed the statement that she made as to her having treated other ladies whose names she mentioned—I believed the statement she made on the preceding day that she had 8,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of Lady Dudley's jewels in her possession—I believed the woman I had seen coming up the stairs was the Countess of Dudley's maid, and it was my belief in those matters which induced me to hand over my jewels—I was also under apprehension as to the condition of my skin at the time—Madame Rachel said Lady Dudley had sent her jewels instead of the money for finishing her; or for the finishing process—I dressed and went away then immediately, leaving the jewellery—on the Monday I went again—I was to have met Mrs. Turner on the Monday, and I wrote to her—she (Madame Rachel) said, "Would you like to have your jewels back?"—I said, "I would"—she then said she knew of a lady who would give the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to her, that I might take my jewels back with me, and the lady would look to me for the money; but to do that I should have to write her a letter—I wrote that letter—she dictated me the letter that I would bring her my jewels for her to raise a sum of money on—I said I had better put in 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I did then put in 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—after that I left the letter with her, and when I got home I sent my maid with this letter. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Monday. Dear Mrs. Leverson, thinking it over, it is better that you sent me back my box, for I have seen a man who will give me the money on Wednesday. I will bring the 45
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I owe you. Please do not put them in pawn, as I wish to do that myself. If you send the box</p>
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<p>by bearer, I will send you the money. Yours affectionately, C. M. P.") I sent 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and my maid came back without the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and without the jewels—in consequence of what the maid said I went on the following Saturday to the prisoner—I saw her, and asked why she had not sent the jewels—she told me she had pledged them—I was very angry, and then she said I need not be afraid over jewellery worth 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. when she had jewellery worth thousands in her charge—she then gave the name of the gentleman who had the jewellery, Mr. Sheldrake—she then dictated to me a letter to send to Mr. Sheldrake, the pawnbroker, and to begin it either "Dear Mr. Sheldrake," or "Dear Sir," I can't remember which. This is the letter. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Dear Sir,—Madame Rachel has informed me that she has placed in your care my jewels, of which I have the list of memorandum; and she also assures me I can have them when applying to you at an hour's notice within six months, by forwarding to you the amount I authorised her to get. I hope to have, by the end of the month, the money, and Madame Rachel assures me of every care you will take of them; and also all secrecy and the respectability of your firm. Address me under cover here, 153, Great Portland Street. C. M. Pearse.") This (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the list of my jewels, which I had enclosed in the jewel box when I gave it to the prisoner. (
<hi rend="italic">This stated</hi> "I deposit with Madame Rachel in her care"
<hi rend="italic">various articles of jewellery</hi> "instead of 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. ") I inquired on that occasion, if the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. were paid, if I could get my jewels back—she replied that they could be—I asked for a receipt for the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. which she had received in connection with my jewellery—she asked me to write a receipt for the money I had promised her—she opened a book with printed forms in it, which she placed before me—she told me to fill up one—I objected to a printed form—she said it did net matter, for it was only a receipt, no one saw it—upon that I signed it—I was going to put 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—she asked me to put 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., but I objected—she then asked me if I would put down 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—my maid witnessed my signature to the document (
<hi rend="italic">The document bore the signature of A. M. Pearse, and the name of Orsolina Palmiera as witness</hi>.) She gave me no receipt for the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I sent my maid for it, but she came back without it—before that I had not men
<lb/>tioned the subject to my husband, but I mentioned it to him that night—at that time I had remaining some of the wash I had bought at Madame Rachel's—it was afterwards handed by me to my husband and analysed, but I do not know by whom—my husband, accompanied by my maid, went to see Madame Rachel on the Sunday—I went on the Sunday week and saw the defendant, at 153, Great Portland Street—there was was not a very long interview—she denied she had dictated the letter to the lady, and said I owed her 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. beyond what I paid her—she went into a variety of matters—my husband said he should go for his solicitor; but I do not think he mentioned a name—the defendant said she should be very pleased to meet me in Court, if I dare appear, and that she had letters that would incriminate me—my husband said he could not discuss the matter, that he should take proceedings—she abused us all the way downstairs, calling us names—that very day Mr. Lewis was communicated with—I have written other letters to Madame Rachel than those produced, from time to time, on various subjects, especially with reference to the concert.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>. I went first to the shop in Duke Street at the end of December, 1876—before that I had been visiting my doctor for</p>
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<p>four years, and since December, 1876, I have frequently seen my doctor; about once a fortnight, when I have been in London, having suffered in health for some years—I was living in Pimlico in December, 1876, the doctor was living near Grosvenor Square, and sometimes I passed the prisoner's shop—it was not quite in my way—I went in to buy some tooth powder—I had not heard of her name before; I knew the name as being the same as the great French tragedienne—I had not heard of her wares at all—I was passing the shop and I went in to buy this tooth powder—her name had never been mentioned to me—I found the tooth powder was very good, but not better than any other—I went afterwards and bought some violet powder that is used for children after bathing, and things of that sort; not for ornamentation necessarily—I had been in the habit of buying such powder ever since my childhood; washes I had never used before, powder I had used—I used to buy the powder anywhere—the powder was very good—I think on my second visit there was some talk about the wash—I did not buy it then—I think it was talked of the day that she recommended the violet powder—the third time I went in would have been less than a fortnight—I went to buy the wash, she called it enamelling, and that it would cleanse the skin—whenever enamelling was spoken of, I understood some liquid which would clean and cleanse the skin; that is all it was—it was not to leave any coat of plaster on the face—it was explained that the enamelling had nothing to do with any paint, pigment, or powder—I then bought a bottle of liquid which was to be used for the whole body—before going to Rome I don't remember exactly how many bottles I had; perhaps three or four—a bottle would last several times; it was not all put in, about two or three tablespoons were to be put into one bath—there was no label on the bottle—I was to use it whenever I liked, occasionally—I continued that till I went to Rome in February, I think—the effect of the washes was nothing particular; beneficial rather—I did not notice anything particular—I asked her for something that would remove hair—she said she would give me some; she did not do so or caution me as to the use of it—I had only one bath at her house—the effect of the washes I think was satisfactory, but I did not notice any difference—(
<hi rend="italic">looking at a letter</hi>) this is my writing, I was not staying at Grove Hall in Staffordshire while I was using Madame Rachel's washes—I was at Market Drayton in Shrop
<lb/>shire—my friends there said I looked quite "lovely"—the defendant had given me some powder to put on my arms and neck when I went to a ball, and she told me to write to tell her what effect I produced—before I went to Rome I was on very friendly terms with Madame Rachel—I wrote her a number of letters and post-cards—I was not short of money at that time—on December 8, 1876, probably I owed her money—the post-cards were written in French. (
<hi rend="italic">They were put in and read. The first was to this effect, translated</hi>: "
<hi rend="italic">I have not the</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">l. to-day, but hope to come and see you next week." The next bore date December</hi> 19, "
<hi rend="italic">I will be with you to-morrow</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Wed
<hi rend="italic">at half-past eleven." Another dated December</hi> 26, "
<hi rend="italic">I will be with you on Thursday." Also a letter dated Jan</hi>. 5, 1877: ("Luton, Jan. 5, 1877. Dear Madame Rachel,—I am so sorry to hear you have been ill, and waited outside your door the other day three-quarters of an hour in vain, but I hope you will be able to finish me on Thursday. I have my 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. at last. I will be at your door at half-past ten, so if you are not there that means you are still ill, I will come away, but hope that will not be</p>
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<p>the case.
<hi rend="italic">Au revoir</hi> till Thursday.") I was very anxious at that time to see Madame Rachel—I believe it was for the purpose of getting more of these washes to complete the cleansing process—I had not been able to pay her the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. between Dec. 8 and Jan 5. (
<hi rend="italic">Two other letters were put in and read, one dated Jan</hi>. 19
<hi rend="italic">from Luton, stating she would come to see her on Tuesday, and the other from London, Jan</hi>. 23: "I have to leave England on 5th Feb., and would like to be made beautiful for ever before I leave.") Madame Rachel had been ill for a considerable time, and I had not seen her most likely for a month before writing that letter—the expression "beautiful for ever" was her expression, I used it—I was in Paris on 19th Feb.—I don't think I was at Market Drayton then—I don't think this envelope (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is my writing—I could not take my oath of it—I have no notion whose writing it is—this letter of 19th August is mine, but not this dated from Market Drayton on 19th Feb.—I had not men
<lb/>tioned to any one at Market Drayton that Madame Rachel dealt in these things—I was stopping at Chesney, not at Hodnet Hall. This letter is mine. ("Rome, April 6, 1877. Dear Madame Rachel,—I am in want of some more pink powder, and also a little red powder and some cream. Could you send me them here? My address is Madame Pearse, 4, Corso Prima Piazza. I hope you are now quite well, and can get about again. Please let me know if you can send me these things.") At that time I was in Rome—I had to act in some private theatricals—I wanted cream and two sorts of powder for use in the private theatricals—my father told me so—they are things which can be purchased in Rome, but I thought it better to send to London for them, as she had said they were harmless—I am a foreigner when in Rome—my father was living there at the time—he had been living there for two years—I don't think my father could have told me where to get innocuous cream in Rome—Madame Rachel never answered my letter nor sent the things—my father gave me his cream and I used it for three performances without experiencing any ill results from the use of it—when I returned to London from Rome I went to see Madame Rachel—most likely I went to see her at once, most likely not—I have no recollection of how soon I went to see her after I returned—it was probably early in June—I went there to buy washes—I had no letter from Madame Rachel during my absence in Rome—I cannot remember whether I saw an advertisement that she had removed to Great Portland Street—I don't remember what occurred at the first interview with her in Portland Street—she never did anything else for me except to supply me with washes and powders for my personal decoration—sometimes she would apply these washes to my face to show me how to use them—she never removed any spots from my face—I was to put the wash into a bath—she said sometimes I might use it in a bath and sometimes with
<lb/>out—I was to use it on a sponge and it would dean my face as if I was to use some acid—that was not to remove hair or spots—I do not remember "black spots" or any slight spots alluded to—she had spoken about removing hair from my arms, not from the face—she said these washes would have the same influence upon everything—I saw Mrs. Turner at the defendant's house—I had heard that she was a distinguished vocalist—I have heard some of my friends say that she is a pretty fair
<hi rend="italic">artiste</hi>—she performs at Her Majesty's Theatre—to the best of my belief I paid Madame Rachel about 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in all, but how I paid it, whether in large or small instalments, I don't remember—I have</p>
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<p>paid for some washes singly as I got them—on the occasion of the second visit which I paid to Madame Rachel, after I came from Rome, she spoke to me about her having undergone five years' imprisonment—she said that her daughter was upon the stage, and that for her sake she did not wish the relationship between them to be known—she said that she had been imprisoned as the result of a conspiracy—I knew in June or July that she had been imprisoned—she did not go into the matter very fully—she said that they wanted to obtain 30,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from her; that not being able to get it a conspiracy was entered into against her, and in the result she was locked up for five years; that the Home Office was taking it up to prove her innocence—she was talking for three hours, and at the end of the conversation that is all I know about it—she produced letters from many ladies referring to the matter, but I did not read them—she showed a very strong feeling against a solicitor, Mr. George Lewis—I cannot say that she very often mentioned his name—she told me that some people wanted to get 30,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from her, but she never explained it to me—I did not suppose that it had anything to do with the washes—she said she did not wish her daughter's name to be mixed up with the affair—I continued to deal with her on the strength of the document from the Home Office—I saw the beginning of it, but I do not know what it was—it being from the Home Office led me to believe it was truthful—it was about this time that the con
<lb/>versation took place about my father—Mrs. Turner said she knew the artistes were ready to come forward to sing as a sort of tribute to my father's name—I understood that a daughter-in-law of the defendant's was at the Royal Academy of Music—I understood that she and Mrs. Turner were engaged in getting up a concert, and a great many letters passed between me and Mrs. Turner on the subject. This letter is my writing. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Wednesday, February 11.40, Ebury Street. My dear Madame Rachel. Should I not hear from you am I to understand that I am to go to you on Saturday at 11 o'clock at 29, Duke Street. I hope to go and see Mrs. Turner next week to arrange about the concert, but everyone thinks I had better put it off for February, as in November we could not make so much. I fear if the Albert Hall were chock full it would not bring altogether 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., as most of the boxes and stalls are private property.") (
<hi rend="italic">Another letter dated July</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">th stated that she had heard from Mr. Gye, who thought it was too late in the season to do anything now, referring to the concert</hi>.) I believe it was Mrs. Turner's idea to write that letter—my idea of "finishing" was when this process was over—she told me three or four months as the time for it to be used—I believe I used some in June and July—the rash had not then come out—it came out at the end of December, 1877—I had used this wash in its pure state to my face and no rash came out—I don't remember saying before the Magistrate, "I rarely used the wash, and when I did the rash came out"—rashes did now and then come out on me, but I can't say whether it was from her washes or anything else—I don't think, except the measles, I ever had any rash before dealing with Madame Rachel—I never had a rash like that which broke out at the end of December—before that date I had merely little spots and blotches, and that sort of thing—I went down to Luton about this time—I wrote this letter dated July 30th, 1877:—"Dear Madame Rachel,—I write to remind you that I shall be with you on Wednesday between 11 and 12. Did you get</p>
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<p>Gye's letter all right?—Yours, C. M. Pearse."—I also wrote this dated August 2nd, from Luton:—"Dear Madame Rachel,—I find no letter from Mrs. Turner; if you see her tell her to write to me to The Elms Dartmouth, Devonshire. I had an accident coming up. One of the bottles you gave me I let fail and broke it. The other is all safe. Perhaps at Dartmouth I will take sea baths. Do you think they will do harm to my skin? Let me know at 40, Ebury Street, if you can see me on Friday afternoon between three and four, so that you may touch my face for the last time, as when I come back perhaps I shall be improved enough to be finished off. I will be up in the morning, and hope to hear from you.—Yours, very sincerely, C. M. Pearse. "She told me there were different processes—I really cannot explain more than I have—the "touching" was with the wash to cleanse the skin—she said when I was finished I should have a receipt from her which I could have made up at any chemist's, and which I could throw into my bath at ordinary times, and which would keep my skin in the healthy state she had got it into—she had most likely touched me several times before that—she was always saying that she wanted to touch it up herself—she told me if I went to a doctor's for one illness he would not always give the same medicine, but various medicines, and it was the same with her washes, which were not always the same—I really don't know whether what she gave me was anything different—she used to tell me to touch myself with the same thing that I put into my bath—I wrote this letter from The Elms:—"Dartmouth, August 10th. Dear Madame Bachel—Give me your views how you are getting on? It is lovely here, and we are enjoying our
<lb/>selves a good deal. I heard from papa, who is very well, and very poor. However, he is in hope of better times. My face improves every day, and I hope you will find it so when I return. Write soon.—Yours sin
<lb/>cerely, C. M. P. "My face had very much improved—I was anxious about her health—she always said she was ill whenever I saw her—sometimes I had difficulty in seeing her on that account—I wrote this letter:—"Thursday, 15th. Dear Madame Rachel—I will be up in London for one day before going to Staffordshire. Can you see me on the morning of the 21
<hi rend="italic">st</hi> (Tuesday), between 11 and 12 o'clock? Please let me know, either here or at 40, Ebury Street. I leave here on the morning of the 20th. If you cannot see me on Tuesday I must put it off for another fortnight, but I hope you can see me. Please let me know. From yours very sincerely, C. M. P. "I also wrote these:—"40, Ebury Street, Monday, August 20th. Just arrived from Dartmouth. So sorry not to have heard from you. Please telegraph to me if I am not to come to-morrow.—From yours affectionately. If I don't hear from you I shall be with you between one and two o'clock. "—"August 30th, 1876. Dear Friend—I hope to hear from you soon. I am pretty well, and very admired, thanks to you. I will leave here Sunday, 9th September. Will you be in London about that time? If so, I will come next day after I arrive, Monday, or any other day that suits you best. Write and tell me how you get on. Have you seen Mrs. Turner yet? It is bitterly cold here, but fine. With very kind regards, I am, yours sincerely, C. M. Pearse. "I wrote a great number of letters in September, October, and November, asking to see her—I used to write to thank her, because she always used to ask me whenever anything was said about my being admired, to let her know, and naturally thinking that she was helping me for my father, I</p>
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<p>wrote those things to please her—it was not in consequence of the wash that I was admired, it was some powder she gave me to put on my arms and neck. (
<hi rend="italic">Letter read</hi>: "Dear Madame Rachel,—I find I won't be up in town till the 19th, so won't see you until the 20th. I made a great sen
<lb/>sation at the ball, and was considered quite lovely, thanks to you. I have received a most kind letter from Mr. S. He wishes to see me personally about the concert, and encourages me to every hope of realising a good sum by it. Please write to me at the above address if you have any news. Have you seen Mrs. Turner, and has she seen C.—Yours most sincerely, C. M. P.") There are many letters which I have written to Madame Rachel addressing her as "Dear friend," and "Dear Madame Rachel," and subscribed. I also wrote several letters to Mrs. Turner on the same subject, in which I urged her to exert herself on the matter—the first con
<lb/>versation about any fixed sum was the day that I had the rash out; I spoke to Madame Rachel, and something was said about the price I was to pay for finishing—I don't think that at that time I was under my doc
<lb/>tor—I have not seen him for some time, two or three months, but I am seeing him now—Madame Rachel did not say that I had better have a medical certificate that I was well in health before she performed the pro
<lb/>cess—she did say that she would prefer my having a medical certificate to see whether the application of the wash had done me any harm—I don't know why—it was not when the rash came out that she said she would like me to have a medical certificate—upon my oath it was not—it was before the rash came out—when the rash came out she said I was not to go to a doctor on any account—she looked me all over with a sort of little microscope thing, and said that all the pores of my skin were open—she said I must only use cold water, as anything else might ruin me—she told me not to use anything except cold water, not even soap—it was not then that she suggested I had better have a medical certificate—I had a bath when I took the jewels—I saw the bath prepared—I don't know what was put in—to me, it seemed only bran and water—I have no reason to sus
<lb/>pect that anything else was put in—the rash was on my face, arms, and neck, and that necessitated a bath, so she told me, to cure it—I kept my face perfectly dry—I did what she told me—the action of the bran and the water was to be to bring the rash down—there was no requirement for me to take a number of baths—at this time my jewelers was in the house—I have sometimes obtained money upon jewellery, but I never authorised Madame Rachel to pawn these—she told me she had pledged the jewellery—I heard at the police-court that it was in my name—she has sold small things for me, in connection with acts of charity, and handed me over the money—she has sold things for me twice for a charity I am interested in—I entrusted her with things to sell that she sold for me, and handed over the money—one occa
<lb/>sion was probably as late as last December—the letter to the pawnbroker was written on the Saturday at her house—the one relating to the jewel
<lb/>lery was written a week before—the printed form was filled up in my own handwriting—I thought she could not read—I never saw her write—the jewels were taken to Madame Rachel's on a Saturday—the letter of Jan
<lb/>uary 5th was written, I believe, on the day I had my bath—it was written from my own house—(
<hi rend="italic">Two letters referring to the proposed concert were here read</hi>)—the last time I saw the defendant was the day I wrote the letter to the pawnbroker; that was on the Saturday—there had not been any</p>
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<p>arrangement that the jewels should be put in pawn before I wrote the letter marked "E"—I wrote a letter to the prisoner, which was to be placed in the hands of the lady who was to give the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I don't know what has become of that letter, it was to tell her that I was bringing her the jewels for her to raise a sum of money—she said this lady would know me personally, and would take my own security, and that I was to give back the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and I might take my jewels home—I understood she was to go and see the lady who would give her the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and send back my jewels; that conversation was on the Monday after the Saturday when I had the bath—no arrangement had been made before the Monday for pawning the jewels—I call giving them to the lady putting them in pawn—I had not seen a man before that about advancing the money—that was incorrect—I never had conversation with Madame Rachel about the loss of any jewellery—my husband was on the jury in the detective trial, and she spoke to me about the detective trial, not about the jewellery—she never said anything to me about jewellery, except on the occasion when I objected to pawning my own jewellery—I had heard of Lady Dudley's jewellery being stolen, but I and never had any conversation with the prisoner on the subject—Lady Dudley's jewellery being in her back-room was no business of mine—I was astonished to hear that Lady Dudley's jewels were in Madame Rachel's house; and then she explained that they had been brought by Lady Dudley's maid because Lady Dudley had to pay her 2,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for finishing her—that was the day I pledged my jewels to the pawnbroker, and she said "You make such a fuss about jewels worth 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., when I have jewels in my house worth thousands"—she said 1, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. reward had been offered for them—I said my husband was on the detective trial, and I could not dine with her—she then jumped up and screamed, said she knew Froggatt, who was one of the prisoners, and that he was one of the conspirators, with Mr. George Lewis, against her—nothing was said about jewels in connection with that trial—I went with my husband to her after telling him about this, and my husband understood then that my acquaintance was only of three or four months' duration—subsequently, after going to Madame Rachel, my husband had a further explanation from me, and then we went together, a week after, on the Sunday.—I believe at that interview my husband mentioned Mr. George Lewis's name, just as we were going out of the door—the defendant did not then say that nothing would give her greater pleasure than to meet Mr. George Lewis in a Court of law—she did not say she was willing to return the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—she said that Mr. Lewis wanted to hang her, and she said a good deal all the way down stairs, but I believe she was abusing us, and not Mr. Lewis.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. When I wrote the letters to Madame Rachel my father was in want of money, and I wished the concert to be a pecuniary success for him—I said the things about being admired to please her—when I wrote about having seen a man, I was anxious on the subject—the proceeds of little articles which prisoner disposed of for me went to an English charity—with regard to all the other letters I wrote, I wrote them on account of her wish to know how the washes acted.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-124" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-124" type="given" value="GODFREY"/>GODFREY PEARSE</persName> </hi>. I am the husband of the last witness—I am a stockbroker, and live at 40, Ebury Street—I was not at all aware that my wife was in the habit of going to Madame Rachel, either in Duke Street or Great Portland Street—my wife made a communication to me</p>
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<p>on a Saturday in January, in consequence of which I went to Madame Rachel's at Great Portland Street on the Sunday, the next day—I said to her "I have heard you have some jewels and some letters of my wife's. I insist upon your returning them to me at once"—she refused entirely, and said "So far from my owing your wife anything she owes me a large sum of money"—she showed me a letter in which the sum of 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was named—nothing further passed on that occasion except that she tried to talk about the use that she had been to my wife—I saw her again on the Tuesday or Wednesday—I told her from what I had further heard it was just what I had supposed, namely, a fraud, and I again demanded all the jewels and the letters—she then said that she was never alone, and that she had a witness who was listening, to prove that on the former occasion I had promised to pay her—she again tried to talk about the services which she had rendered to my wife, but I would not listen to that tale—I said that if she considered she had fairly earned 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the things which she had supplied to Mrs. Pearse, I would give her 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. as the seller of messes—she then said that if I would bring my wife she was sure that she would make me believe that it was all right—I went away, saying that I would bring her—on that occasion she said that she had a witness to prove that on the former occasion I had promised to pay her 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., or any other sum which my wife might owe her—after that interview I had a letter purporting to come from her—I believe I burned it—I saw her again on the following Sunday—I took my wife with me—there was a repetition of her former statements with reference to the services which she had rendered, and she made an offer to go on with the process—I refused, and then said that that was the last time that she would have a chance of treating with me—I said I should go to a solicitor—I did not mention his name; I had no one in my mind at that time—she said I could not do so because the letters which she held of my wife's were such as could not be produced—she gave me to understand that I should not dare to have them published, and added that she had been on the most intimate terms with my wife for nearly two years, knew all my friends, and all the members of my family and a great deal of their personal affairs—when we were going down
<lb/>stairs she said she would make the City ring with it—she said she knew every friend I had—there was nothing further then—I saw her again before I went to Mr. Lewis—I saw her the morning after I saw Mr. Lewis—one of my clerks told me she had been sitting in the office an hour—she then showed me Mr. Lewis's letter, and said "What is this about Lady Dudley's jewels?" and that it was very unfair mentioning this, as it was said in confidence—I said that the whole thing was now in Mr. Lewis's hands—she then said she would give up all the letters conditionally if I went up to Great Portland Street—she said that Mr. Lewis had made up his mind to ruin her, hang her, I think she said; and that she would do anything rather than face him—I saw her again either that evening or the next—when she spoke about giving me the letters I said I would go and see her—I said I had come for the letters—she said "What, give them up and put myself in the hands of that man?"—I stated she must trust to my word that no further steps should be taken if the letters were given up—it ended in my going away without anything—she refused to give the letters up—she said they were "compromising"—she said "I have got letters of your</p>
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<p>wife's that you dare not have brought forward,"and added that the letters were compromising to my wife—she said I should not dare to prosecute her, as she would make the City ring with it—nothing further passed then, and I determined to prosecute—I received from my wife a bottle containing some stuff; that was about five weeks ago—I gave it to my family chemist—I gave it into the hands of Mr. Saunders—at the end of last year I noticed a rash on my wife's face, a rash which I had never seen before, and I spoke to her at the time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>. One bottle was taken to Godfrey and Cooke's and one to the family chemist—I found them both in the same cupboard—I never looked into the cupboard to see how many bottles there were—my wife brought one bottle from the cupboard, that went to Godfrey and Cooke—they are supposed to have had both bottles—I had never seen the bottles before—when I saw them I did not observe any label—there was no label of directions—when I went up for the letters the prisoner said "What, give myself up and put myself into the hands of that man?"—I understood her to refer to Mr. Lewis—she would not part with the possession of the letters until she knew that Mr. Lewis would not prosecute her—she said she should want the letters if she were prosecuted, and therefore she would not trust them to Mr. Lewis—she became violently abusive, and on one occasion said that there was nothing she desired so much as to meet Mr. George Lewis in a Court of law, but on another occasion she said she would rather meet the devil—I think I went to her house five or six times—I did call on Mr. Grossman Turner—I went with my wife at her request as a matter of civility to persons whom she thought had been of great service to her, but I never went to Mr. Turner's after I went to Madame Rachel—I left a card at his address that I should be at my office at a certain time—he had been to me several times of his own accord—there was a difficulty about getting the jewels—the prisoner said they were pawned, and if I let her have a fortnight I could have them—the prisoner gave me the pawn-ticket—my wife was not then aware that the jewels were pawned—it was probably on my second interview that I got the pawn-ticket, when Mr. George Lewis's name was mentioned—my wife told me on the Saturday before we went together that she was not aware that they had been pawned—she had told me about the letter she had written from dictation, and from what she told me I was certain they had been pawned—she thought they were in the hands of a gentleman—she mentioned the name of Mr. Sheldrake.
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. She said she knew that the things had gone to a Mr. Sheldrake—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the pawn-ticket the prisoner gave me—it has on it the name of Mr. Robert Attenborough, 40, Duke Street, Man
<lb/>chester Square.</p>
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<persName id="t18780408-name-125" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-125" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-125" type="surname" value="PINNEY"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-125" type="given" value="SABINA"/>SABINA PINNEY</persName> </hi>. I am living in service at Kentish Town Road—in the month of August I entered Madame Rachel's service and continued with her until the 21st of January in the present year, at 153, Great Portland Street—my wages were 11
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year—Madame Rachel occupied the first floor and kitchen downstairs—the first floor comprised three rooms, one room in the front and two at the back—the front room was used as a shop—the back rooms were a bedroom and a sitting-room—I slept in the back room on the first floor, Madame Rachel slept in the sitting-room—she in
<lb/>variably resided there by herself—she had a little child with her—in the room which was used as a shop there were powders and washes exposed</p>
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<p>for sale—sometimes I used to help her make up the washes—starch and fuller's earth and something out of a paper, which I don't know what it was, used to be put into a small bottle and then water was added—I got the water from the ordinary water-tap of the house—Madame Rachel told me that those washes were made for the ladies to put on their faces—she said that sometimes the washes would bring out a rash—I thought she told me that to prevent my using any myself—she said it would make the ladies good-looking—she mentioned names of ladies who she said had used the washes—she told me that she was sixty-three years of age—she could read, but said she had hurt her thumb and so she could not write—I know Mrs. Turner—she was in the habit of calling upon her mother from time to time—Madame Rachel told me once that Mrs. Pearse was poor—I have seen Mrs. Pearse there—I cannot remember upon how many occasions, but several times—she was accompanied by her maid—I never saw Madame Rachel put any wash on Mrs. Pearse's face—I re
<lb/>member the bottles that she used to give Mrs. Pearse—some of the bottles contained hair-wash, pearlash and water mixed up together—I have helped mix it—I don't know what Mrs. Pearse was charged for them—some of the bottles of pearlash and water were charged one guinea for—the skin wash was the same price—I only used to help to make up those two—I have seen the skin-wash given to Mrs. Pearse—I remember on more than one occasion seeing bottles of the skin-wash handed to Mrs. Turner in the presence of Mrs. Pearse—Mrs. Turner never took them away with her—I do not remember the prisoner naming Lady Dudley to me—I remember the occasion when Mrs. Pearse brought her jewellery—I remember preparing the bath that Mrs. Pearse had—hot water and bran were put into it, and nothing else that I know of—I was not present when Mrs. Pearse had her bath—I left her and Madame Rachel and the servant—I saw the Jewellery after Mrs. Pearse had gone away—I saw Madame Rachel wearing some of that jewellery, three lockets and a necklace—she told me they were a Christmas present from Mrs. Pearse, and I said they were very nice ones—on the occasion of the visits of Mrs. Pearse to Madame Rachel I have heard conversations between them—I heard the words "Write this to-day, darling," and I have been sent to fetch the ink—I remember Mr. Pearse coming on the Sunday, and the next Monday with his wife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>. I was present the first and second time, but was not in the room, and did not hear what was said—I went in August and I left on January 21—I think the rash was talked about just before Christmas—I did not notice any rash on Mrs. Pearse when she had the bath—I noticed it once, that was not long before she had the bath—it was before I saw the rash on Mrs. Pearse that Madame Rachel told me it sometimes caused a rash—it was the starch and fuller's earth that was likely to bring out a rash—I suppose the hair wash was safe—I did not use it, Madame Rachel did, and she used it to the child; it was generally used in the family, and found very beneficial—I never used the starch and fuller's earth, Madame Rachel did—I did not attend to the shop very much—I don't remember what name was given to the hair wash; it was called perfume—there were circulars, I never read them, I can't read very well—labels were fixed to the bottles with her name and address on them—I have put them on—there was no name to the liquid—she used to tell me what labels to put on the different bottles—she used to make up other things,</p>
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<p>and sell powders, tooth powder, and paint, and violet powder—she gave me some glycerin once when my hands were chapped, it did them good.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-126" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-126" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-126" type="surname" value="PALMIERA"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-126" type="given" value="ORSOLINA"/>ORSOLINA PALMIERA</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Interpreted</hi>). I am maid to Mrs. Godfrey Pearse—I understand a little English—I remember going with Mrs. Pearse to 153, Great Portland Street, I there saw the prisoner—at that time there was a rash on Mrs. Pearse's face—it was in Decem
<lb/>ber—I heard something said in regard to the rash by Mrs. Pearse, who asked "What is the cause of all this rash upon my face?" and the prisoner said "If you don't bring the money to be finished, you will be ruined for all your lifetime"—Mrs. Pearse was very angry with Madame Rachel, who said the best thing she could do was to get some money out of the bank belonging to her father, but Mrs. Pearse declined—the prisoner said "I want you to bring me 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—Mrs. Pearse said "As I cannot get the money, the only thing I can do is to bring my jewels"—the prisoner then said she had jewels belonging to the Countess of Dudley, with diamonds as big as her thumb—the conversation was in English, but I understood enough to follow it—it was "Mrs. Pearse, I have got in my house jewels of the Lady Dudley, brought to me by that lady's maid"—the day after the conversation about the jewels I went again with my mistress to Madame Rachel—I took the jewels—on that occasion Mrs. Pearse had a bath at the suggestion of the prisoner—she said "You have got a rash all over your face, don't you see? I will give you a bath, and the rash will go"—I assisted Mrs. Pearse in having her bath—I did not hear Madame Rachel say anything more then—on the following Monday I received a letter from my mistress—she and I went together in a cab to Great Portland Street, and saw the prisoner—she asked Mrs. Pearse to address a letter to her—she said "I will give it to a lady who will advance you 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and then you can have your jewels back"—she then dictated a letter to Mrs. Pearse in the same way as she would do to a child just go
<lb/>ing to school—after we got home I took a letter from Mrs. Pearse to Madame Eachel and 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I asked her for Mrs. Pearse's jewels, and she said "Mrs. Pearse was
<hi rend="italic">shama</hi> (foolish)"—I went again on the Saturday with Mrs. Pearse to Madame Rachel's, and on that occasion she made Mrs. Pearse write a letter to a gentleman; and she also made Mrs. Pearse write her name to something in a book—I went again alone to Madame Rachel's before going with Mrs. Pearse—I asked her for the counter
<lb/>part of the receipt from the book—she said no, she would not give it to me—the next day, on the Sunday morning, I went to Madame Rachel's with Mrs. Pearse—I remember trying some of the wash my
<lb/>self, and Mary, a servant then in the employ of Mrs. Pearse also tried some—a rash came out upon my arm, the same as came on Mrs. Pearse's face—Mary had it oftener than I had, because whenever Mrs. Pearse threw away the bottles she always made use of some—Mary had the rash come out all over her face.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>. On the 25th of this month I shall have been 11 months in England—I was engaged in Rome—that was my first visit to England—when I first came I did not know English at all—I do not remember when I first went to Madame Rachel's—I really do not remember—I remember that before the month of January I had been there several times—I cannot tell you whether it was five, six, seven, or eight times—I have not been 20 times—I observed</p>
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<p>the rash on Mrs. Pearse in December, but I had seen it before—it was at the end of December that I particularly noticed the rash—I perceived a slight rash on Mrs. Pearse's face, but I did not notice it so much—I don't remember when I first noticed it—the rash came out on my arm—I did not apply it to my face when I saw Mrs. Pearse was so ruined (
<hi rend="italic">ruinata</hi>)—a bottle of the same stuff was given to me by Madame Rachel—she gave me a bottle and said "It is for you"—to see what effect it would have upon me I put it on my arm from the wrist up—the rash came out two or three days after—the rash did not last very long, as I did not use a great deal of it—I applied it twice—the rash came out in about four or five days—it was after Mr. Pearse had been to Madame Rachel's that I applied it—Mary is not here—she is an Englishwoman—she was house
<lb/>maid—I do not know when she first used it—she used the stuff left in the bottles thrown away by Mrs. Pearse—I cannot tell you when Mary first used these washes—after Mr. Pearse had been to Madame Rachel's Mary left—I do not remember the date of her leaving—she had not left before Mr. Pearse went to Madame Rachel's—I cannot tell you when Mary first used these bottles—I did not pay any great attention to it—I know she used some bottles, because she took them to her room—I have seen the rash on Mary's face, it came out now and then during the time Mary was in the service of Mrs. Pearse; she had a rash upon her face after she took the bottle to her room—sometimes she did not have the rash upon her face—all the time I knew her she was subject to a rash upon her face—I saw a rash on her face in June, July, August, and September; sometimes e little more, sometimes a little less—she seemed always to have a rash on her face—I cannot say whether more rash came out after using the wash—I don't know what they cost—sometimes she used to put them on one side when they were almost full—Mrs. Pearse wrote a letter in my presence in English—I did not know the contents—I only knew she was writing to a lady—the prisoner said "You write this letter to the lady, she will advance 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and then I will return your jewellery"—Mrs. Pearse speaks Italian very well—the letter was written in the room at Madame Rachel's where all the bottles were—the letter was left with her—I took a letter once from Mrs. Pearse to Madame Rachel, but I do not remember the time—I once took her 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and then I took a letter also—that was not the letter I described as written just like a child who was going to school, because Mrs. Pearse wrote that herself—it was when I took the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and asked for the jewellery—there was one letter on Mon
<lb/>day and one on Saturday—on the Monday I went for the jewels—on Sat
<lb/>urday I asked for the receipt, not for the jewels—I spoke to her in English—I said "Will you, if you please, give me the receipt out of the book?"—my mistress told me to ask for the receipt—the contents of the letter was asking for the receipt—I did not read the letter—I don't read English—I had taken letters frequently—I said at the police-court "I have been many times to the defendant's. I used to take letters; but I had no con
<lb/>versation with her"—I remember going to Madame Rachel's, but I don't remember how many letters I took—I never went to fetch things for my mistress from Madame Rachel's—my mistress only took one bath at Madame Rachel's.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I mentioned before the Magistrate all the conversations with Madame Rachel that I have stated to-day—it was on tho day I took the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and the letter that Madame Rachel gave me the bottle for myself</p>
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<p>—I had not used the wash before that—I seldom spoke with Mr. Pearse; if he asked me for anything of course I gave it to him, but I always con
<lb/>versed with Mrs. Pearse.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-127" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-127" type="surname" value="SCOTT"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-127" type="given" value="ISABELLA"/>ISABELLA SCOTT</persName> </hi>. I am lady's-maid to the Countess of Dudley—I have been so for many years—I attended at the Marlborough Street Police Court—up to that time I had never seen the defendant, nor been to her places of business—I never took nor sent her any jewellery—about three years ago I had charge of the Countess of Dudley's jewels at the Pad-dington railway station; they were worth many thousands of pounds—perhaps 20,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—15,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. at all events—I beg to say that they were stolen from me most assuredly, and not disposed of in any other way as has been stated—they have never been recovered—Lady Dudley uses no washes of any kind—I don't include in that soap and water, which are the only washes she uses—Lady Dudley is unwell; she if suffering from a very bad cold at present.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-128" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-128" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-128" type="surname" value="SHELDRAKE"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-128" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES SHELDRAKE</persName> </hi>. I am an assistant to Mr. Attenborough, pawn
<lb/>broker, 39, Duke Street, Grosvenor Square—I produce certain articles of jewellery contained in a box—they were placed on deposit with me on the afternoon of the 9th January by the prisoner—she brought the jewels to our shop and said that she wanted a loan of 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. upon them—she said she brought them for Mrs. Pearse, and when I asked her to sign the agreement she said she could not write—she put her mark to the paper, and gave me the name and address of Mrs. Pearse, 40, Ebury Street. (
<hi rend="italic">The agreement was produced and read, containing a list of the jewellery, and setting out that a loan of</hi> 50
<hi rend="italic">l. was advanced on the same at the rate of</hi> 15
<hi rend="italic">per cent. per annum, to be repaid by or before the</hi> 9
<hi rend="italic">th July</hi>, 1878,
<hi rend="italic">or the jewels to be absolutely forfeited</hi>.) I do not think that the jewels would realise more than 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if we had them for sale—a few days after the advance of the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I received the letter F, the envelope of which I destroyed.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-129" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-129" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-129" type="surname" value="SAUNDERS"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-129" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS SAUNDERS</persName> </hi>. I am manager to Messrs. Godfrey and Cooke, 30, Conduit Street—I received a bottle, which I gave to Mr. Senior.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-130" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-130" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-130" type="surname" value="SENIOR"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-130" type="given" value="HAROLD"/>HAROLD SENIOR</persName> </hi>. I am an analyst—I received a bottle containing some stuff from Mr. Saunders, the last witness—I analysed its contents—it was a 6 oz. bottle—there were 10 grains of a lead compound, 50 grains of day-like earth, common fuller's earth, 160 grains of starch, 15 grains of hydrochloric acid, and 2, 400 grains of water, making 2, 635 grains, or about six fluid ounces.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>. There are at least 30 compounds of lead—in this case part of it was in solution, and part of it was at the bottom of the bottle—the lead in the solution was chloride of lead—as to the in
<lb/>soluble portion of the lead, I cannot say exactly in what form it was, but it was in an insoluble form—altogether I had to analyse not more than 2 oz.—that would be about a third of a 6 oz. bottle—the lead not in solu
<lb/>tion was very small in quantity—there was not a great deal of difference as to the proportions—the soluble was 3.8 grains, the insoluble 5.3 grains, making 9.1 grains—there was more insoluble than soluble—from what I analysed that would be the proportion of a 6 oz. bottle—the smaller quantity was soluble, and the larger quantity was chloride of lead—the larger quantity I would define as an insoluble form of lead, but I found chloride of lead as well as hydrochloric acid—Godfrey and Cooke have two shops, in Conduit Street and St. George's Place—the firm has now</p>
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<p>been established about 200 years—they have a great number of very valuable nostrums—I distinguish hydrochloric acid from chloride of lead in this way: in the first place the solution which was separated was dis
<lb/>tinctly acid; but chloride of lead would be neutral in solution—Goulard water is sold as a wash, and sold by Godfrey and Cooke—I don't know exactly how much load there is in Goulard water, quite ten times as much as this—it is used for women's skin occasionally—the defendant applied to have some of the wash for analysis by Professor Redwood—I declined, because there was none left, the quantity I had beings small; hut I offered to submit my analysis to any qualified person—Professor Redwood is the very best authority on that point.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. My analysis has his authority—there is no hydrochloric acid in Goulard water—I mot Professor Redwood, and I supplied him with the details of my analysis.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-131" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>DR. THOMAS BOND</persName> </hi>. I live at 50, Parliament Street, Westminster—I am F. R. C. S. and surgeon to the Westminster Hospital; lecturer also on forensic medicine at the hospital—I have heard the evidence of the last witness—if a wash of the description mentioned were applied to a lady's face it would cause great roughness of the skin, and I believe it would bring out an eruption if applied sufficiently often—the hydrochloric acid would produce the roughness of the skin—a wash of this description is a stimulating wash, and also irritating, and it cannot be applied to a lady's face unless she has a very bad skin disease—it certainly cannot properly be applied to a lady's neck—it would not have the effect of removing the hair—the intrinsic value of a bottle of stuff of this sort would be 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. at the outside—Goulard water is a very common lotion.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DAY</hi>. For internal administration one would take about 15 minims of dilute hydrochloric acid, which would contain rather over a grain of hydrochloric acid—that is about the dose, the ordinary dilution of the acid—about 6 grains in an 8 oz. bottle would be a tonic to be drunk—it could not well be taken in a more concentrated form than that I have given—if 6 grains were in 8 ounces of water as a drink you would drink about one-sixth of it—in that way it is recom
<lb/>mended as a drink in hot weather, but not so strong, I think—I should give about half a drachm, or about 3 grains in a pint for a person to drink as a refreshing draught—I don't know whether acetic acid is frequently used by ladies for the purpose of decoration—I have no doubt that all the "toilette vinegars" sold in London are acetic acid—hydrochloric acid is irritating, but acetic acid is soothing—fuller's earth, with starch in com
<lb/>bination, would not be irritating—hydrochloric acid, with starch in com
<lb/>bination, would not be soothing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. I have tried a little of this composition upon myself—the second application caused a tingling; the day after there was a perceptible roughness of the skin, and the fingers had a grani-exfoliated look—I did not experiment any further with it—that would be the precursor of a rash; that is my opinion—if the lotion was continued the irritation would increase, and eventually cause a rash—supposing the composition to consist of fuller's earth, starch, and water, I should not expect any irritation then—if lead was added to that it would not cause irritation—I am not sure what effect chloride of load would produce—I attribute the irritation to the presence of free hydrochloric acid—I personally use no cosmetic—I am of opinion that soap and water forms</p>
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<p>the best wash—the quality of the skin varies very much in different persons.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Witness for the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-133" type="given" value="THEOPHILUS"/>THEOPHILUS REDWOOD</persName> </hi>. I am professor at the Institute of Pharmacy to the Pharmaceutical Society, and have been so more than 30 years—I have studied chemistry all my life—I have been in consultation with Mr. Senior—we conferred together as to the probable mode in which the lotion of Madame Rachel was made—we made an analysis—we found 10 grains of carbonate of load, 50 grains of fuller's earth, 160 grains of starch, 24 grains of hydrochloric acid, and six ounces of distilled water, making up a 16-ounce mixture—two of the constituents would enter into combination to form the chloride of lead—part would remain as free hydrochloric acid—as to the effect of such a mixture applied to the skin, so far as the lead is concerned, it would be the same as that produced by extract of load, which acts as an astringent and desiccant, and is commonly used for allaying irritation on the surface of the skin—the fuller's earth possesses detergent properties—starch is an absorbent, and is frequently used—salts of lead are frequently used as lotions, perhaps none more frequently, and I do not consider their use dangerous—as to the lotion I have described, the result to be looked for would not be the bringing out of a rash upon the skin—I applied it to my own arm—I did not find any such result—as it dries, the starch and fuller's earth and chloride of lead tend to whiten the skin—the result was only the effect of whitening of the skin as the lotion dried—I am 68 years of age—in a 6 oz. bottle of Goulard water there would be about 30 grains of lead—as to the effect upon the skin, in connection with the chloride, I judge by inference in saying that its effect would be the same as that of the acetate—what is called toilet vinegar is a mixture of acetic acid,</p>
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<p>diluted with water, and scented—the mixture would not perhaps be so strong as Rim ell's vinegar—toilet vinegar would probably have a stronger action than the lotion about which we have heard—I know pearl white, which is a name for carbonate of lead—it is habitually used by ladies for whitening the skin—it frequently is applied as a powder—it is quite insoluble—it is not put on the face to cool it, rather to whiten it—the deposit would be whitehead—it is put on the face to produce a temporary effect—the undue or continued use of cosmetics of that description are more or less injurious—anything which fills up the pores of the skin is injurious—the use of the ordinary violet powder is much better left alone—soap and water and nothing else is the best—I do not consider pearlash with ordinary water a dangerous hair wash, unless it is very strong—I believe the best hair wash is an alkaline solution of that kind—I frequently conduct analyses for the Government in poisoning cases—hydrochloric acid is a liquid—it could not exist as a powder to be shaken out of a paper.
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>. A wash of that description would not in the slightest degree remove hair—dilute acetic acid rather softens the skin—hydrochloric acid is not used as an application to the skin—I am unable to say, therefore, how it would affect the skin—I have no experience of its effects—I applied it to my arm—I am not prepared to say that the application of wash to a delicate lady's skin would not produce a rash, but I should be very much surprised to find that it did—I have never known it applied to a lady's skin; there are certain idio
<lb/>syncrasies, some persons possess a skin which would be irritated by almost any application, especially if any irritation were anticipated—imagination has often much to do with it—I don't mean to say that imagination would produce a rash on my face, but I believe the mere ap
<lb/>plication of soap and water would do so with some persons—soap is an alkaline which would act on and irritate the skin quite as much as the dilute hydrochloric acid referred to, and for that reason many persons cannot use soap—I don't mean that a lady, under those circumstances, would bring out a rash—soap is an irritant, and imagination with a slight irritant may produce much that an irritant without the imagination would not—I can understand a beneficial effect from a wash of this kind where there is an ammoniacal emanation from the skin, the acid would neutralise that—I agree with the Countess of Dudley's maid that soap and water only are the best things—this lotion might be properly used in a skin disease, or where an abnormal state of the skin existed—this lotion would not act as an irritant if there were any ammoniacal effect on the skin.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>. Ammoniacal exhalations of the skin are not at all an uncommon thing—it is to neutralise those symptoms that the application of this wash or toilet vinegar would be useful and beneficial.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. This lotion is not quite calculated to keep the bloom of youth upon the skin, quite the reverse—no cosmetics ever preserve the bloom of youth nor make you look as young at 60 or 85 as at 24.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>. The skin is very likely to be influenced by the im
<lb/>agination, in the form of blushing, turning pale, and changing colour under the influence of passion—the application of this lotion to the skin would not be likely to produce any irritation if applied to the arm of a servant girl—I cannot say it would not, but I should be very much sur
<lb/>prised if it did—lead and hydrochloric acid combine in certain propor
<lb/>tions; any chemist could tell what would be the proportions—the result</p>
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<p>is as certain as a sum in arithmetic—hydrochloric acid is muriatic acid—it is frequently used in combination with nitric acid for certain diseases of the liver, as a foot bath it has an astringent effect on the feet—it is not to be found in water—it would be impossible to get 15 grains of it from ordinary water from a tap.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MRS. PEARSE</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). I do not remember whether the name of "Rachel" was over the door in Duke Street; I believe it was in Great Portland Street—my attention was attracted in the first instance by seeing "Arabian perfumer to the Queen."
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<hi rend="italic">She also</hi>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, April</hi> 10
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1878.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-138" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH HOLLENBY</persName> </hi>. I live at 74, Falkland Road, Kentish Town my husband is a traveller—the prisoner married my daughter—he lives at 18, Craven Terrace, St. John's Road, Upper Holloway—on 26th March I was there in consequence of his wife's illness—I saw this box (
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-139" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GREEN</persName> </hi>. I am a greengrocer, of Upper Holloway—on 21st of March a young woman came and asked me if à could move a box for her, and I moved this box in a cart to No. 11—I had seen the prisoner in my shop some days before—he came in to buy something.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to-day he could get 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. more to-morrow—he showed us a purse which appeared to have bank notes and sovereigns in it—we did not know that they were medals—we all four left the house together and went into Hyde Park, and the other man said "I shall wish you good day" and went up the first turning—the prisoner then said "If you are hard up, if you can show me 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I will give you another 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—I said "We have only 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>."—he said "As you are hard up I will give you 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if you will lend me 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.," and then he wrapped a coin up in a handkerchief and gave it to my brother and I gave him a five-shilling piece and afterwards 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I had an odd halfpenny, and I said "I will keep that for luck"—we went into a public-house and he asked us what we were going to have to drink—we said "A pot of beer between the two of us"—he said that he would not have any—he wanted to retire, and asked the landlord if there was a back way—he went out at the front, and my brother took the coin out of the handkerchief and saw "This is a bad one"—I went out and found the prisoner behind a</p>
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<p>waggon—I caught hold of him and said "This is a bad one; if you don't give me my 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. I will knock your nose off"—he gave it back to me after a while, not at once—I would not give him back the coin—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I went for a constable while my brother held him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PURCELL</hi>. I thought the prisoner was an inno
<lb/>cent Londoner and I should get 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. out of him—he gave us the sovereign first and I gave him the 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. afterwards—when I found I had not made such a good bargain as I thought, I threatened to knock his nose off.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-148" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD GROVES</persName> </hi>. I am the brother of the last witness, and was with him—we first saw the prisoner at a public-house—what my brother has said is correct—while he was gone for a constable I held the prisoner—he tried to throw me twice.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I thought we should get 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he had plenty of money, I thought.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-149" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT GENTRY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 142
<hi rend="italic">D</hi>). I was called and found the prisoner outside the Hanover public-house, Bayswater Road, being held by Edward Groves—I told him the charge—he said "It is only a betting transaction, but these d—d country fellows do not understand it"—I found on him this purse containing five Hanoverian medals and five flash notes on the Bank of Engraving, also an empty purse, 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and a brass watch and chain.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-431-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES FOX</hi> (41)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18780408-432-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-432-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, Feloniously forging and uttering a promissory note for the payment of 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ISAACSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-151" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-151" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-151" type="surname" value="DAVIES"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-151" type="given" value="JOHN HENRY"/>JOHN HENRY DAVIES</persName> </hi>. I am a plasterer, of 90, Richmond Terrace, Shepherd's Bush—the prisoner was my porter and assistant—he had no authority to sign bills of exchange for me—if he collected money he would sign his own name, he had no authority to sign mine—he would sign for me—this promissory note (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is a forgery—it bears my name but it is not written with my authority—it is the prisoner's writing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner</hi>. If you signed for a cheque or bank notes you would put my name and your own underneath—I never saw you sign without—I trusted you as you are my son-in-law—you were in my employ as porter for eighteen months—you paid the men's wages and took orders when I was ill in 1876—I allowed you to fill up this form of acceptance (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I do not keep a banker's account, and when cheques were paid you endorsed them with my name and put your initials.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-152" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-152" type="given" value="GEORGE DONALD"/>GEORGE DONALD WESTON</persName> </hi>. I am a carman, of Portobello Road, Notting Hill—on 18th February the prisoner came and represented himself as the son of Mr. Davis, who owed me over 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said that Mr. Davis was very sorry he could not settle my account, as they had not received their remittances for the goods I had forwarded into the country, and were rather short of money, and would I advance him 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to pay the men's wages, and he would give me a bill for the whole amount, 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he asked me if I would have it payable at the London and North-Western Bank or at my house—I said at the bank, as it would be easier to collect—I gave him the 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and he wrote this promissory note in my presence: "February 15th, 1878. Fourteen days after date I will pay J. D.</p>
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<p>Watson's order, 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for value received. J. H. Davis. "Crossed" London and North-Western Bank."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I said "Are you Mr. Davis's son?" and you said "Yes"—I knew you to be his managing man—I have taken orders of you—I cannot tell you whether written orders have been "For J. H. Davis, per C. Fox"—I remember receiving a letter last Christmas and sending it to you, but I did not know you were Fox.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-153" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-153" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-153" type="surname" value="BLAKE"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-153" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BLAKE</persName> </hi>. On 20th March I had a warrant for the prisoner and saw him in High Street, Notting Hill—I said "Fox, you had better step across the road, Mr. Davis wishes to speak to you; I hold a warrant for your apprehension, you will have to go with me to Hammersmith"—I put him into a cab with the prosecutor—he said on the road "Oh father, I hope you will not do this, it is only 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I should not have done it if I had not been drunk."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined</hi>. I did not say "If you tell me all about it I will make it all right with Mr. Davis, it is only a family affair"—I did not say that it was only a matter of form, a family matter, and Mr. Davis would not do anything if I told him all about it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">J. H. DAVIS</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>). The prisoner was not in my service on 15th February, he left on the 11th, and I did not see him again till he was in custody—a detective had been looking for him—I heard of this pro
<lb/>missory note a fortnight afterwards, when it became due.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. The money I received from Mr. Davis was not sufficient. I had only 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week, and I worked from 7.30 a.m. till 10 p.m. I had to pay for my own board out of that.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY.</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by the Jury on account of the insufficiency of his wages.</hi> </rs> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Four Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES NEALE</hi> (28)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18780408-433-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-433-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="burglary"/>, Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-155" type="surname" value="LINFOOT"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-433-offence-1 t18780408-name-155"/>Mary Linfoot</persName> with intent to steal.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PURCELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-156" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-156" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-156" type="surname" value="LINFOOT"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-156" type="given" value="EDWIN"/>EDWIN LINFOOT</persName> </hi>. I am a tailor, of 146, Central Street, St. Luke's—on 5th April, about 12.30 a.m., I heard a noise, got out of bed, looked out at the window, and saw a light in the back yard—I lit a lamp, and heard a door breaking open, and on rushing upstairs, I opened my bed
<lb/>room door and saw the prisoner—I asked him what he was doing there—he said that there was a quarrel at the back, and he got in there out of the way—I called for assistance and my brother came down—I asked the prisoner again, and he said "I have been here since 10 o'clock, I came for a night's lodging, I am not a thief"—he pleaded very hard to be let go—I called a policeman and gave him into custody—I had left the kitchen door bolted securely, and when I went down I found it forced open and the window was open likewise—the window had been very insecurely fastened by a little drop latch, but I did not see it when I went to bed, only the door—I did not go into the kitchen, nor was there any one else who went in.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-157" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-157" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-157" type="surname" value="CLEAVE"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-157" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE CLEAVE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 284
<hi rend="italic">G</hi>). I was called and found the prisoner being held—the kitchen window could only be opened by a knife—there wore no marks on it—I found on the prisoner six keys and a small candle and matches—he said that there was a disturbance and he got in there out of the way—he afterwards said that he had quarrelled with his landlord and got in there for the night.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate</hi>. "I had been drinking all the night. I do not know how I got there. I remember hearing the gentleman bolt the door. I sat there two hours smoking in the closet, and then I wanted to get out. I had no intention whatever of robbing the place, that was the last thing in my thoughts."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I had no intention of thieving. I had been drinking over night. I was not breaking into the place, I was getting out. I never touched a single thing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES DE WARR</hi> (23)</persName> and
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS ARTHUR POILE</hi> (23)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18780408-434-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-434-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="burglary"/>, Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-434-offence-1 t18780408-name-160"/>William Lindsay</persName>, with intent to steal, to which </rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">DE WARR</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18780408-434-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18780408-434-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-434-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CUNNINGHAM</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM LONDON</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 158). On 11th March, about 1.45 a.m., I was on duty in Cross Street, Finsbury, and saw the two prisoners opposite the Red Lion public-house—I went up Wilson Street and came back and missed De Warr—I saw Poile go into Eldon Street, where I lost him—I saw him in charge on 23rd, at Guildhall, and identified him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-161" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-161" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-161" type="surname" value="BREEDY"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-161" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL BREEDY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 252). I was on duty near the Red Lion and saw the two prisoners talking on the cellar flap about 12.30—they walked away and I found the flap secure—I examined it again about 2 o'clock and saw that it had been lifted, because the dirt had come away, and I lifted it with my finger, which I could not do before—I posted a man on it, called the landlord up, and found De Warr in the cellar behind the door—I took him in custody—Poile was taken in the City on the 14th, and I identified him from other prisoners—he said nothing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-162" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-162" type="surname" value="LINDSAY"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-162" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM LINDSAY</persName> </hi>. I keep the Old Red Cow, Wilson Street—on 10th March I went round the house at night and saw that the bolts of the cellar flap were secure—I was aroused by the policeman about 2 a.m., Went in with him to the cellar, and found De Warr there and the bolts wrenched—he could get from the cellar into the house.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-163" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-163" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-163" type="given" value="OLIVER"/>OLIVER HUNT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 181). On 14th March, about 1.30, I saw Poile stooping over the cellar flap of a public-house at 53, Fore Street, trying to do something to it—he saw me and ran away—I found that the flap had been raised, and ran after him—just before I took him he dropped something down a grating in Fore Street—it jinked like iron.
<hi rend="largeCaps">POILE</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">NOT GUILTY</hi> </rs>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">DE WARR</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HORACE SIDLE</hi> (25)</persName>
<rs id="t18780408-435-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
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<interp inst="t18780408-435-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="robbery"/>, Feloniously assaulting
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-165" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-165" type="surname" value="GROOM"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18780408-435-offence-1 t18780408-name-165"/>Vincent Groom</persName>, with intent to rob him.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TAMPLIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18780408-name-166" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18780408-name-166" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-166" type="surname" value="GROOM"/>
<interp inst="t18780408-name-166" type="given" value="VINCENT"/>VINCENT GROOM</persName> </hi>. I am steward's room boy at the Junior Naval and Military Club—on Saturday afternoon, 2nd March, I was sent to the London and County Bank, Hanover Square, to change two cheques belonging to Mr. Elliott—I saw the prisoner in Hanover Square and said "Is this the bank?"—he said "Here," and took hold of my arm and struggled with me—I had the two cheques in my hand—it was not a violent struggle—I called out "Police, police," and he ran away—he was not pulling me towards the bank, he was over me and I was stooping down—I ran after him and saw him caught.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-167" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN BRISTOW</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 205). I saw the prisoner in Hanover</p>
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<p>Square surrounded by a crowd—I took him in custody and the boy charged him with trying to steal two cheques from his hand—he said that he only caught hold of his arm—he gave a false address.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-168" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS BOUCHER</persName> </hi>. I am a gilder, of 21, Lisle Street—I saw the prisoner and the boy romping and playing—the prisoner ran away, and the boy ran after him—the boy had some papers in his hand.</p>
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<interp inst="t18780408-name-169" type="given" value="FREDERICK WILLIAM"/>FREDERICK WILLIAM LOBB</persName> </hi