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<p>CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</p>
<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>STONE, MAYOR.</p>
<p>SEVENTH SESSION, HELD MAY 3RD, 1875.</p>
<p>MINUTES OF EVIDENCE,</p>
<p>TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND, BY</p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-1" type="given" value="JAMES DROVER"/>JAMES DROVER BARNETT</persName> </p>
<p>AND</p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-2" type="given" value="ALEXANDER"/>ALEXANDER BUCKLER</persName>,</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>ROLLS CHAMBERS, No. 89, CHANCERY LANE.</p>
<p>VOL. LXXXII.</p>
<p>SESSIONS VII. TO XII</p>
<p>THE POINTS OF LAW AND PRACTICE</p>
<p>REVISED AND EDITED, BY</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-3" type="given" value="EDWARD T. E."/>EDWARD T. E. BESLEY</persName>, ESQ.,</p>
<p>OF THE MIDDLE TEMPLE, BARRISTER-AT-LAW.</p>
<p>LONDON:</p>
<p>STEVENS & SONS, 119, CHANCERY LANE.</p>
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<p>THE</p>
<p>WHOLE PROCEEDINGS</p>
<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>OYER AND TERMINER AND GAOL DELIVERY</p>
<p>FOR</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>AND GAOL DELIVERY FOR THE</p>
<p>COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, AND THE PARTS OF THE COUNTIES OF ESSEX, KENT, AND SURREY, WITHIN THE JURISDICTION</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT,</p>
<p>Held on Monday, May 3rd, 1875, and following days,</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON</hi>.
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-4" type="given" value="DAVID HENRY"/>DAVID HENRY STONE</persName>, LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; The Hon. Sir
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-5" type="given" value="ANTHONY"/>ANTHONY CLEASBY</persName> </hi>, Knt., one of the Barons of Her Majesty's Court of Exchequer; The Hon. Sir
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-6" type="given" value="THOMAS DICKSON"/>THOMAS DICKSON ARCHIBALD</persName> </hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench;
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS</hi>, Esq., Sir
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-8" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT BESLEY</persName> </hi>, Esq., and Sir
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-9" type="given" value="JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE"/>JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE BART</persName> </hi>., M.P., Aldermen of the said City; the Right Hon.
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-10" type="given" value="RUSSELL"/>RUSSELL GURNEY</persName> </hi>, Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-11" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FIGGINS</persName> </hi>, Esq., and
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-12" type="given" value="HENRY EDMUND"/>HENRY EDMUND KNIGHT</persName> </hi>, Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-13" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>, Knt., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-14" type="given" value="ROBERT MALCOLM"/>ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</persName> </hi>, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS</hi> Esq., Alderman.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM TIMBRELL ELLIOTT</hi>, Esq.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">STONE, MAYOR. SEVENTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, May</hi>, 3
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1875.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MEAD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-21" type="given" value="HERBERT CORNISH"/>HERBERT CORNISH POOLE</persName> </hi>. I am in the service of the London General omnibus Company—I live at 79, Star Street, Edgware Road—I am a Tafton man—I came up to London in December last for the purpose of getting employment, and I was taken into the London General Omnibus company's service in January, and first conducted the FU omnibus on Saturday, 9th January—I have my book here in which I kept an account—on the 11th and 13th I conducted a different omnibus—those were the only times that I had conducted an omnibus in London before the 14th January—on Thursday morning, 14th January, I was at the company's office in the Edgware Read; I got there about 8 o'clock in the morning—I saw the district road manager, Mr. Wild, and I afterwards saw the prisoner Murphy—I had never seen him before—he came to the office just before 9 o'clock—he asked Mr. Wild for a rest—Mr. Wild said "You are frequently wanting rests," and he said he wanted to go to some place particularly—Mr. Wild told me to go on his
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> for one day, and he was to show me what to do—I went out of the office with Murphy and I went with him to Paddington Green to the King and Queen, public-house, where the stables were—on the way there Murphy said "Are you a new man"—I said I was and had come from Taunton—he said it was lucky he had seen me, he would show me how to manage about the takings—he said that 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a day was not much for a man, it was not sufficient to find a man in
<hi rend="italic">lush</hi>, and he said I should have to give his driver a dollar a day; he said he did—I said "So much as that" he said "Yes, you can do it very well; you can have four or five
<hi rend="italic">hog</hi> or
<hi rend="italic">bob</hi>" (I don't know which he said) "a day for yourself"—then he said he would give me his book to show me what he paid in as</p>
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<p>his takings, and I was to take that as a guide—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the book and he said I could refer to it each journey to see what he took, and I was to give it again to his driver at night, and whatever I did I was not to pay in any more than he did, if anything, less; being a new man, he said, they would not take any notice of it—the book was shut when he gave it to me, and no part of it was referred to—I don't recollect that anything further was said about it—when we got to the King and Queen he gave me my time-bills—there were eight time tills and the total bill which were then in blank—he gave me the times of the first two journies, which I wrote down myself—he told me what to put down—he then said "The
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> has come round I will make the driver make out the other times for you"—Bride
<lb/>groom was the driver of the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—Murphy told me that I could get any fares between the Lonsdale and the office, as there was no one about there, and I was to take a little out of each fare, and the last journey I was to look and if I saw any old
<hi rend="italic">fogey</hi> sitting in the corner I was to take stock of him over the door, and if I saw him looking up at the bill mind him, but not to be too timid, as a great many people looked out of curiosity—the omnibus came out—Bridegroom was driving and Murphy got up on the bus by his side and he told me to get up on the other side of the driver, that was when the omnibus came from the King and Queen—I said I would get up behind—I had all the way bills and the book with me—I had not seen what was in the book—I was not aware then that the times were entered in that book—the omnibus went to the Earl Lonsdale, Portobello Road; as we passed the Royal Oak, Murphy called me to come in front to the driver over the roof, but I refused—I said I was going to put in my journey bill, and I got inside and put my journey bill in—when we got to the Earl Lonsdale, which is the starting point, Murphy got down—he said I was to mind what he told me, he had made it all right with the driver and that he would get me a lot of people and we were to mind and take care of ourselves and do as he told me—he told me to mind and give the driver the book in the night—Murphy then went away and I did not see him after that—he said the fares were all right between the Royal Oak and the office because there was no one there—I said "There is a time-keeper at the Royal Oak," and he said "He is nothing, he is nobody"—that was all that passed between us—on the first journey Bridegroom drove properly, and as I received the fares I made the marks on the way-bill—when I had a 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. fare I marked it in that line, and so on—we started the first journey at 9.41 and. returned from Charing Cross at 10.38—on my return 1 went into the Earl Lonsdale to add up the amount I had returned, but pre
<lb/>viously to that I had called at the office on the way down and made a com
<lb/>plaint to Mr. Wild and 1 arranged to see him later in the day—I went into the Earl Lonsdale after the first journey and began to make up my way bill—Bridegroom came in, and, looking over me, he saw 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. which was the total of the first journey—he said "D----my eyes, 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>."—I said "Yes"—he asked how much I had kept back—I told him not anything—he said "Why, the other man never paid in as much as that"—he asked me to give him the book, and I took the book out of my pocket and gave it to him—he referred back to some of the previous days and compared my first journey with his first journies, and he said "He has never hardly paid in so much money as that"—I told him I had taken the 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I had made a penny mistake in putting down, on that journey—I had made a stroke in the penny line, and Bridegroom asked me</p>
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<p>the meaning of that—I told him a lady had paid me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and I put it down to the 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. fare, and I had put the penny down there so as to explain at the office—he said I was a b----fool, they would not have known anything about it, but as I had done it it ought to be put down as an excess fare, and he wrote that himself against it—he said if I did not keep back some for him he was not going to get passengers, he was not going to work for six
<hi rend="italic">bob</hi> a day, and it was no good for him to get passengers if I gave it all to them—some man came and called him outside; he came back again and said "You are the man who was on the FU" and I said "Yes"—he said "Well, you won't get any 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. fares here on this one"—the FU was the omnibus 1 had been on the previous Saturday and I had taken 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. one journey and had returned it properly—the second journey he drove very badly—if he saw an empty
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> in front he would keep behind it, and if the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> was full he would get in front of it till he met another, and if I rang for him he would not stop, but for all the passengers I did carry I made the entries on the way-bill and at the end of the journey I had taken 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I went into the Earl Lonsdale to make up the way-bill—Bridegroom came in and looked over my bill and he said "You haven't got so much now"—I said "No"—he said he was not going to get a lot of people if I was giving it to them—I spoke to him about the driving and said if he did it again I should report him—I told him I had rung for him and he did not pull up, and he said he did not hear me ring—I said "You must have heard, because I hallowed as well"—I asked him to make out my time-bills for me for the other journies and I gave him the six bills for the remaining six journies—he made out one and gave them all back to me—I said "Make them all out for me now," and he said "No, I shall make them out at the end of each journey"—he wrote all that way-bill, but my figures, the time and "Earl Lonsdale to Charing Cross," and "Bridegroom" and "Poole" as the driver and conductor—I had written the first two—on the third journey I picked up two ladies just at the Earl Lonsdale—before they got in they told me to put them down at a shop in Westbound Grove—I told them I did not know it, but if they told me when they arrived I would put them down—Bridegroom said "I know where it is, I will pull up all right"—the ladies got in, and got out at that place—when they got in he called me up to him on the top of the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—he said "Have those, they won't know anything about it"—I told him I should not, and I got back on the step again—when they got out they paid me and I put down the fares—the prisoner asked me if I bad put them down—I said "Yes, I have"—he started off very furiously and then he either drove very fast or very slow, which prevented me from getting pas
<lb/>sengers properly—at the end of that journey I went into the Earl Lonsdale to make up the way-bill, and I had only earned 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—Bridegroom came in and said 1 had not taken so much—I said "No"—he said "Well, I ain't going to get them unless you like to keep back some for ourselves"—I told him I should not do it—he said "Well, I can get as many as any man on the road"—I said "Let me see how much you can get next time"—he made out the bill for the next journey—I wanted him to make out the whole, but he would not—he entered the times and the names at the bottom—he drove very well the fourth journey, and I took 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I went to the Earl Lous
<lb/>dale to make out the bill as before and he said then he could get as many passengers as anyone on the road, but he was not going to work for six
<hi rend="italic">bob</hi> a day—I had made out a part of that time-bill and he took it out of my hands and put in 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and seventeen passengers and the 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
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<p>is in my own writing—he made out my time-bill for the fifth journey—I got 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. that journey—he drove properly—during that journey I saw Mr. Wild at Regent Circus—I made a complaint to him—I filled up my bill of that journey at the Earl Lonsdale, and while I was there Bridegroom came in—there were about half a dozen other people there, conductors and men who had to do with the horses—Bridegroom made up some of this bill for the fifth journey, his figures are nineteen passengers and 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and the total 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—that is the total of the two ways—he called the men's atten
<lb/>tion to the figures in the book, 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and he said "You will get all the b----lot of the men
<hi rend="italic">sacked</hi>, you will get them all down on you"—I told him if he took my book again I should report him for it—he entered 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in my book—before he touched the bills I had entered the full amount of passengers carried in the lines and he added it up—one of the men said I ought to be swamped, and another said I should find myself down Houndsditch one morning—Bridegroom said he would take good care I should not get so many passengers again—he said "I don't believe you have taken so much money"—I said I had—he asked me if I knew how much I had in the morning when I came out—I said "Yes, 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>."—he told me to take my money out and count it—I did so, and found I was 15
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short—he said "There, you see you are 15
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short, I knew d----well you had not taken the money"—I said "There is my dinner and beer, and that"—I reckoned that that came to 15
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and made it right—I satisfied myself the money was right—he made out the bill for the sixth journey—he drove very badly that time—I believe it was that journey that a gentleman gave me a parcel and sixpence, and told me I was to take it to a place in Westbound Grove—I said 1 did not know where it was—Bride
<lb/>groom said "I know where it is," and the gentleman gave the sixpence and the parcel to him—he pulled up at the shop, 119, Westbound Grove, and I took in the parcel—when we arrived at the Earl Lonsdale, I asked Bridegroom for the money for the parcel—(I had taken 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. that journey, without the parcel)—he said it was not b----likely, and he should keep it for himself—I told him I should enter it to him, and he said, he would give me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and keep 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. himself—I said "No, I shall have the whole of the sixpence"—he threw it down on the floor, and told me to take the b----sixpence—I picked it up—this is the way-bill—there is no line for parcels, but I made an entry of the parcel on my total-bill—I called at the office to learn how to eater it, and I afterwards put it on the total-bill—I asked Bridegroom to make out the way-bill for the seventh journey—he said he would see me b----first—I said I would go without them, and then he told me to come in and he would make them out for me, and I went in, and he made out the two for the seventh and eighth journies; the two last journies—before we started he said I should not have so many passengers—I earned 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on the seventh journey but he did not drive properly—before we started on the eighth journey he said "You can keep back some now because there is nobody about"—I told him I should not do so, I would rather throw the place up and should tell Mr. Wild so; and I wanted to—he drove very badly and I earned 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—we did not go back that journey to the Earl Lonsdale—there was only one passenger left at Paddington Station and he got out at Westbourne Grove, and Bridegroom drove to the King and Queen where the stables were—he got down there and told me to go into the house, he would be in in a moment, and I was to give him the other</p>
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<p>man's book; but I ran off and went home and took the book with me—the way-bills are put in the letter-box at the office each journey and I have to make a summary of the total day's earnings—they amounted to 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. altogether, including the 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for the parcel—I entered that on the summary bill with the total amount of the money and sent it in the next morning with the money—I saw Mr. Wild and made a statement to him—the conductor's wages were is a day and the driver's 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I was afterwards employed on one of the omnibuses of the company as odd man—I saw Murphy, I fancy it was the next day; it was within a day or two—I think it was on the 16th—he was on the back of another
<hi rend="italic">fats</hi> and he called to me for his book—I shook my head at him and he got off and ran after us—I told the driver to drive on as fast as he could so that he did not overtake us—I afterwards saw him at the Earl Lonsdale and he asked me for his book—I told him I had not got it—he said I should not go out of the house until he had it, he would break my b----nose for me if I did not tip it up. and he went and shut the door—my time was close on to go with my
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> and 1 told my driver he was to go on with the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—Bridegroom came up and told him to let me out, and he said "You will get us into a scrape" I think that was on the 17th—Murphy followed me out as I was going from the tap-room and said "Mind I gave you that book to take the time out from and it is a b----pretty trick you are serving me"—I got out to my
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> as quick as I could and got off—I was not aware till after I gave up my book to Mr. Wild that the times of the various journies were entered in it—I was shown it at Hammersmith—in the way-bill for the 3.45 journey in the column for the fourpenny fares there is a mark in the second division like two strokes—I carried that out as "two passengers, 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>." and the com
<lb/>pany afterwards charged me that extra fourpence as if there were three passengers instead of two—I don't remember whether there were three or two, but I was charged with the extra 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—on the way-bill for the 5.42 journey I have carried out two twopenny fares as 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—that is a mistake against myself.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had never seen Murphy before the day I went on this omnibus, and he made this proposal that I was to rob the company—I did not make any further observation about it except what I have mentioned—if I had said anything to him he would have told the others, and they would have killed me; they were down on me before—Murphy gave the book to me before we got to the King and Queen—he did not show me the times, and I did not know they were in the book—Bridegroom wrote down the times for me in the Earl Lonsdale—Murphy said "Here is the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>, I will ask the coachman to make out the other times for you"—he said "I have made it all right with him, he will get you a lot of passengers, take care of yourselves and give him back the book at night," and he went away—I don't know that I said anything to Bridegroom then, because I wanted to wait till I got to the office to be taken off the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—he said "The other man has told you how to manage about the takings, I am not going to get a b----lot of people if you give it all to them"—I did not make any remark on that—he subsequently told me that I should get all the men the sack—on the fourth journey he said "Don't be a b----fool, I can get a lot of passengers, look out for yourself and me too—you see I can earn as much as any man on the road, but I am not going to work for six
<hi rend="italic">heg</hi> a day"—I said "Let us see what you can earn the next time"—I did not remonstrate with him, it would not have done for me to have doue so—I had been on other
<hi rend="italic">busses.</hi> </p>
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<p>before—I was taken off Bridegroom's
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> at the end of the day—I was only on for one day—I have not tried to find out who the men were who were in the public-house when the statement was made about getting them all the
<hi rend="italic">sack</hi>—there was no chance of my finding them out—I don't know whether they are still in the company's employment or not—I have been a witness before—I can't say how many times—more than ten times I should think in the market prosecutions; it may have been as many as twenty times—I was charged with perjury about three years ago, but it was a conspiracy got up against me, which the learned judge saw—that was at Taunton—I was committed for trial and the bill was subsequently ignored—it arose out of the market prosecutions—it created a good deal of sensation in Taunton with some parties—the market prosecutions were under an Act of Parlia
<lb/>ment which the trustees have, that no person should sell or vend or propose to sell any of the commodities mentioned in the Act outside the market unless licensed so to do—I was in the employ of Mr. Brown, the lessee of the market, and it was my duty to inform—it was upon my information that the summonses were granted—I am not aware that I have gone by the name of "Lawyer Poole"; it was "The hedge lawyer "I was asked at Hammersmith and I said "No"—I may have gone by the name of "Lawyer Poole" on account of my grandfather being a lawyer, that is the only reason I can give for it—I was toll collector in the market when I gave this infor
<lb/>mation—I have kept the Robin Hood public-house—I informed against a woman named Betsey Coomes for keeping a brothel next door to me—I was obliged to—she was not a customer of mine—I would not allow her in my house—I had not been in the house twelve months before I informed—I don't think I was there twelve months altogether—I did not take any portion of the penalty—I did not want to take it at all—I did not touch a farthing—the brewer, Mr. Burridge, had a bill of sale on my things, and he took the money—I received the penalty indirectly of course—the 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. went to Burridge, and I had the benefit of it indirectly—it went to him directly—I took out a pedlar's license to supply small shops with a new thing which came out—I was a shoemaker for five years, but I met with an accident and my arm was injured and I had to give it up—I only used the pedlar's license for a fortnight, I think—I got some tea from Bristol—I sent a post-office order with the order which I gave, and some time after that I got a letter that they had sent on four pounds worth more; I think the amount I paid was 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and I had no chance of knowing whether they had or not because I had sold a part of the tea—I got the tea on Friday night, and I had to
<hi rend="italic">get</hi> it ready for the market the next day—the market cases were all brought before the Magistrate—I am quite sure the charge of perjury arose out of the Police Court and not out of the County Court—it arose out of an assault on a man named Jarvis; he came and pushed me and I summoned him for the assault—I canvassed for Serjeant Cox, the Conservative candi
<lb/>date—he was afterwards unseated—at the next election I canvassed for Sir Henry James, the Liberal candidate—Serjeant Cox did not contest then—it is true that I said that I was on the Conservative Register—they paid me nothing, so I went over to the other side—I was employed for twenty weeks on the Registration, and after we had finished, of course I expected my money and they only gave me 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in place of the 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. which I was to have—I told them whenever another election came I would do my best against them, and I went to the Conservative Association and told them to strike my name off the book—I received several characters when I went into the</p>
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<p>Omnibus Company's service—I was not asked if I had ever been summoned or charged "with any criminal offence that I know of—I say I don't know that I was—I was taken into their employment by my testimonials—I had not to answer a number of questions—I sent in my testimonials to Mr. Church and he sent them to Mr. Dawson, and he put me on in the Edgware Road—I had not to answer any questions as to my previous career or make any declaration in writing to the company—you have to get a certificate from Scotland Yard before you can get a licence; I had to sign a paper there—I don't recollect what it was—I am not aware that I have represented that I have never been charged before a Magistrate or elsewhere with any criminal offence; there is nothing I have signed but what I can explain; if you show me what it is I will try to explain it—I should know my handwriting if I saw it—I have a great doubt in. my own mind that I have made such a representation—if I signed such a thing as that I thought it meant a conviction; there is no need why I should do it—I have not done anything wilfully—I must have thought it meant a conviction and not a charge, because there was no reason why I should have kept it back; it would bear investigation—I am permanently' in the service of the Com
<lb/>pany now—I was only a casual that day, but a service was given me after—I did not give evidence at the Taunton Election Petition—I did not give Mr. Farrant any information—I received 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from him—that was on the Conservative side—they knew they owed me 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the Registration—as to the stroke in the penny line, I did not ask Bridegroom what I was to do as I had made a mistake, and he did not write the stroke in the penny column for me—he asked me what it meant—I told him that a lady gave me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., which I put down to the 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. fare; and I put the penny there so that I could explain at the office; and he said "Now have you done that, put it down as excess fare"—that was on the first journey—the bills were put into the box at the end of each journey—I kept the amounts in a book like this, so as to make up the total at the end of the day—there is nothing on the way-bills to show if a coachman or any one receives a parcel—it does not appear on any document that I have seen—Bridegroom did not say "We always look upon a parcel as a perquisite"—nothing of the kind, he said he should keep the sixpence himself, and then after he offered me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I insisted upon having the sixpence—I am not confident which journey that was—the parcel business was not after my first interview with Mr. Wild, my first interview with him was about 10 o'clock in the morning, I went and begged him to put another man on—I will swear that I saw Mr. Wild at the office before the parcel business, and the sixpence—I came on the omnibus from the King and Queen to the Lonsdale, with Bridegroom and Murphy; they rode in front and I on the back—the noes upon this paper are in my handwriting—the first question is "Have you ever been convicted of any crime, or charged, or summoned before a Magistrate for any offence"—"No"—I put "No," but it was not intentionally done, I thought it meant a conviction—the next question is "Have you ever been convicted or summoned except for that which you stated in answer to the above question"—I put "No"—I understood that for a conviction; I wrote those two noes, and signed my name to it, I did not know that I was doing wrong or I should not have done such a thing, when I could write to the superintendent of police at Taunton; he has known me for twenty years, and I wrote to him and asked him to get it forwarded as quickly as he could because they told me it would be sent to Taunton—I have seen Forrester,</p>
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<p>the man who looks after the omnibuses at the Lonsdale—I solemnly swear that I drove up to the Lonsdale with Bridegroom and Murphy—I know Morgan the waiter at the Lonsdale—I did not come in with my bill and say I had been making a great mistake, putting down 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. passengers for 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. ones—I had not done so, and I did not say so—I did not count my money and say first of all it was 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short, and then that it was 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short, and that I had not counted my wages in, which had been paid me—there was not a word said about wages—I never saw Dolling the horse-keeper at the omnibus yard until I saw him at Hammersmith; he was a witness there—I still swear that Murphy rode to the Lonsdale with us.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I filled up the paper that I signed at Scotland Yard, and I had to be very quick, as 1 should have been too late for the post—I had to take it to a gentleman to get it signed so as to be in time for post to send it to Taunton—the first part of the form is not in my writing—my writing is just the "
<hi rend="italic">No</hi>, no, no," and the last one "Yes" and the signature—I did that at Scotland Yard—Mr. Goldsmith is the Superintendent of Police for Somerset—I wrote down to him and he had to go and see all the gentlemen who signed my references down there, and he had to sign, himself, after that I think—I had testimonials from the leading gentlemen of Taunton and from the Vicar, and they were given to the company—the perjury indict
<lb/>ment against me arose out of an assault case—I charged John Jarvis with an assault—he came and pushed me; he was a great, powerful man, and I summoned him for the assault—Mr. Justice Willies was the Judge who charged the Grand Jury in the charge of perjury against me, and the bill was thrown out—he said it was a malicious prosecution—I went to the office during the first journey, and I went again in the afternoon to ask about the parcel—when Murphy made these proposals to me I did not say anything to him, because I had all sorts of things thrown at my head because I had paid in so much money one day—I believe it was 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-22" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-22" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-22" type="surname" value="WILD"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-22" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH WILD</persName> </hi>. I am road inspector in the employment of the London General Omnibus Company—I live at 10, Cirencester Street, Paddington—I was at the" office in the Edgware Road on 14th January—Poole came there about 9 o'clock, or a little later, and whilst he was there Murphy came in—he said "Can I rest to-day?"—I said "You are frequently wanting rest"—he said "I want to go somewhere particularly to-day"—I then told Poole, who was in the office, to go for him for the day—I said to Murphy "Instruct him where to go," and they left the office together—I was in the office about 10 o'clock in the morning when the omnibus came down its first journey from the Lonsdale—Poole came in and made a statement to me—he was in rather an excited state—I made arrangements to see him at the Circus in the afternoon—I saw him there at 6 o'clock in the evening—he was stand
<lb/>ing behind the omnibus then—I saw him again in the morning and he made a further statement to me—he brought the book which has-been produced, with him—I took him to Mr. Trevitt, the superintendent, and he made a statement to him—Poole was first employed by the company on the 9th January, I think.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Murphy has been in the employment of the company six months—he was recommended to me, and through me he was engaged by the company—Bridegroom has been in the service about four years—I think they were suspended about the 26th January—I think the summonses were on that day, but I can't swear as to that—I believe when they were served with the summonses they did some part of the day and turned the job up in</p>
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<p>the evening; they did not finish their day's work—they were taken before the Magistrate and admitted to bail—at the time of this alleged charge Poole was an odd man—he was not in our regular employment; he has been per
<lb/>manently employed by the company since, I believe in various occupations.</p>
<p>H. C.
<hi rend="smallCaps">POOLE</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-called</hi>) It was on Monday, the 18th, that I went to the solicitor's to make a statement—I was sent for.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The following Witnesses were called for the Defence</hi>:—John* Forrester I live at 5, Colville Square Mews, Notting Hill, and am a shoeblack—I work outside the Lonsdale and am in the habit of cleaning the boots of the drivers and conductors before they start on their journies—I know Murphy—I have cleaned his boots every morning except when it was wet—I never used to clean them then—I remember the 14th January, Murphy did not come that morning to have his boots cleaned as usual—I knew Poole by sight before that morning—I saw him come that morning on Bridegroom's
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> to the Lonsdale—he was on the top of the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>; Bridegroom was driving—I knew him before—this was on the first occasion; Murphy was not there, and I said something to Bridegroom—if Murphy had been on the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> when it arrived at the Lonsdale I should have seen him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Gross-examined</hi> I believe it was the 14th January; I am not sure whether it was the 13th or 14th—I can't tell you what day of the week it was—I was examined at the Police Court—Bridegroom spoke to me about it about six weeks after—William Forrester is my father; he is here—he was there at the time the omnibus came up, when Poole was on the top of it—he was on the off side on the knife board talking to Bridegroom—I can't say how long I have cleaned Murphy's boots for him—I was there at 8 o'clock in the morning—I clean for a good many of the men—I had seen Poole two or three days before, I think—I think I had seen him twice before that morning—the first omnibus he went on was FW—I can't say whether that was on a Saturday—the next time I saw him was on Bridegroom's
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> I had not seen him on Bridegroom's omnibus before that morning when he came up on the top of it—he had a slight moustache; it was just coming, that was all.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-23" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-23" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-23" type="surname" value="FORRESTER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-23" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FORRESTER</persName> </hi>. I live at 5, Colville Square Mews, Notting Hill, and look after the omnibuses at the Lonsdale for the men—I know Poole by sight and I know Murphy—T remember the day that Poole took Murphy's place, but I don't remember the day of the month—he had a very slight moustache, at least, not upon that day he did not; when he was on FW he had a slight moustache—I remember him on the FW
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—I remember when he took Murphy's place; he had no moustache then—I knew Bridegroom—Murphy was not on the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> on the morning that Poole took his place when it came up to the Lonsdale for the first journey.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I can't tell you the day of the week; it was not a Sunday—I should think it was about Thursday or Friday, but I won't be certain that Murphy rested, because I spoke to the coachman—Poole had not a moustache that day, he had when he was on FW—that was two or three days before, I think—I might have said before the Magistrate that when Poole acted for Murphy he had a moustache; I have made a mistake there—I said "I am sure he had a moustache, because I thought he was a footman out of work," but I wont say that that was on the day he was acting for Murphy—Bridegroom spoke to me about this matter as soon as they got the summons and left the
<hi rend="italic">bus—I</hi> am stationed near the Lonsdale, and am there</p>
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<p>every day—I saw Poole inside the Lonsdale on the day he was acting for Murphy and I saw Bridegroom with him there nearly every journey—I saw them in the coachman's room at the Lonsdale; there were a few words about some money that had been paid for a parcel—there was something about a parcel, I don't know that it was about 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—it was about 7.30—I was in the room having dinner and tea together—I did not see. the 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. thrown on the floor—I don't know what was done with the 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—the quarrel was about 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and a parcel—I was in the room fifty or sixty times perhaps during the day—I did not hear anything said about Poole getting the menthe
<hi rend="italic">sack</hi> for having returned so much money—I did not hear that he had been earning a good deal of money that day—the omnibus men employ me—they pay me 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.: a day—that is all I get my living by—Poole was on the top of the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> talking to the driver when the omnibus came round first—he was on the near side of the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> on the knife-board, talking to the driver over his shoulder.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I saw them counting out money on the table at the time the dispute was going on, and something was said by Poole about the money being short—he said he was 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short, and he put his hand in his pocket and said he was something else short, but I can't tell you what he said, because I walked out of the room—he counted out some more money and said he was 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short—after he said he was 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short he pulled his day's money out of another pocket and put it with the other.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-24" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-24" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-24" type="surname" value="MORGAN"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-24" type="given" value="FRANK"/>FRANK MORGAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 32, Penton Place, Pentonville—I was waiter at the Lonsdale—I remember the day Murphy was away and Poole con
<lb/>ducted Bridegroom's
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—there is a public room, which is frequented by the drivers and conductors, but there are plenty of mechanics come there as well—it is the only public room in the house—I remember Poole coming in with his bill in his hand that evening between 6 and 7 o'clock as near as I can say—he said he had made a pretty fine mistake this time, he had been putting down fourpences instead of twopences, and he asked his: coachman, Bridegroom, his remedy, and the coachman says "If you have made that mistake you must be the loser of it, that is all"—he said first he; was 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short, and then he counted his money again and he said "Oh, I forgot that they paid me my wages, that is 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. I put that with it which: makes me 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short"—he said "I will turn the job up to-morrow for I can get plenty of better service"—I did not hear any threat used to Poole in that room or at any other time by any of the drivers or conductors.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was potman and waiter there—I am not employed there now—it was the place where the omnibus started—there is a room into which the men come after each journey, and they make up the way bills there—I have known Bridegroom and Murphy during the two months I was there—I can't swear that Bridegroom was in the room after every journey on the day that Poole was acting as conductor—I attended to that room, but I did not wait upon all of them—I bad rough work to do in the morning—I heard the wrangling about the money being 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short—I was waiting in the room for orders, and Poole came in with his way-bill in; his hand and said "I have made a pretty fine mess this time, I have been putting down fourpences instead of twopences"—that was what called my attention—I was there all the time they were there—I did not hear Bride
<lb/>groom say "There now I told you you had not earned so much," and Poole, did not say he had spent 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in his dinner, tobacco, and lights—I heard nothing of that kind—Bridegroom spoke to me about giving evidence before the Magistrate the day after the summons—I don't know whether Poole</p>
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<p>had a moustache, if he had one it was a very slight one—I think it was on a Thursday that this took place, but I could not swear.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> It was on the day that Murphy rested, as for the day of the week I can't say.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi> the Court. Poole did not say how many fourpences he had pot down wrong—at first he said he was 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short, he counted it again and then he said "I forgot they have paid me my wages," and he left the room with the impression that he was 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. short.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-25" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-25" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-25" type="surname" value="DOLLING"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-25" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES DOLLING</persName> </hi>. I live at 4, Hall Place, Paddington—I am horse-keeper to the Omnibus Company at the King and Queen—I was there on 13th January—Poole conducted Bridegroom's
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> that morning—I saw it leave the yard; Poole went away with it; Bridegroom was driving—Murphy stopped behind talking after the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> was gone—I am quite sure of that.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The drivers give me 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a day—I have known Bride
<lb/>groom since he drove my
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>; about a year I should think—it was on a. Thursday I think when Poole was conductor—Murphy spoke to me about giving evidence about a week after it happened—I think Poole had got a bit of a moustache—I first saw him when he went away from the yard with the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—I did not see him come there—Murphy was talking to me down the yard—Poole came with him—I saw them together before the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> started—I don't know how long they were there—I did not see them go into the King and Queen; I was down the yard.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-26" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-26" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-26" type="surname" value="FORRESTER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-26" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN FORRESTER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). I had seen Poole on the FW
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> before the day he was on Bridegroom's
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—he asked me then to show him how to make out his way-bill, end I showed him how to do it—that is how I knew him.</p>
<p>H. C.
<hi rend="smallCaps">POOLE</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). I never wore a moustache in my life, I always shaved the same as you see me now—I never go more than two mornings.: without shaving.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-27" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-27" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-27" type="surname" value="WILD"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-27" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH WILD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined by</hi> the Court). The driver has no authority to meddle with the bill of the conductor—time cards are generally issued to the conductors who generally take a copy of the times from the card, and give the card to the coachman—Poole had not a time card that morning, at least, not from me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750503-304-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-304-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18750503-304-punishment-1" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-304-punishment-1" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-304-punishment-1" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-304-18750503 t18750503-304-punishment-1"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-304-18750503 t18750503-304-punishment-1"/>Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18750503-305" type="date" value="18750503"/>
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<p>305.
<persName id="def1-305-18750503" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-305-18750503" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="def1-305-18750503" type="age" value="26"/>
<interp inst="def1-305-18750503" type="surname" value="EARL"/>
<interp inst="def1-305-18750503" type="given" value="EMMA"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">EMMA EARL</hi> (26)</persName>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18750503-305-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-305-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-305-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>
<rs id="t18750503-305-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-305-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-305-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="pocketpicking"/>to stealing purse and 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of
<persName id="t18750503-name-29" type="victimName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-29" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-29" type="surname" value="GRAHAM"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-29" type="given" value="ISABELLA"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-305-offence-1 t18750503-name-29"/>Isabella Graham</persName> from her person, having been before convicted in April 1873—</rs>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18750503-305-punishment-2" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-305-punishment-2" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-305-punishment-2" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-305-18750503 t18750503-305-punishment-2"/>Twelve Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, May</hi> 3
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1875.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-306" type="date" value="18750503"/>
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<p>306.
<persName id="def1-306-18750503" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-306-18750503" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="def1-306-18750503" type="age" value="35"/>
<interp inst="def1-306-18750503" type="surname" value="WALMSLEY"/>
<interp inst="def1-306-18750503" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS WALMSLEY</hi> (35)</persName>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<persName id="def2-306-18750503" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def2-306-18750503" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="def2-306-18750503" type="age" value="30"/>
<interp inst="def2-306-18750503" type="surname" value="JONES"/>
<interp inst="def2-306-18750503" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">ELIZABETH JONES</hi> (30)</persName>
<rs id="t18750503-306-offence-2" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-306-offence-2" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-306-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> Clara Harris. My father keeps the King's Head in Bloomsbury, and I serve in the bar—on 8th April, between 11 and 12 o'clock at night, the prisoners came in together, and Walmsley asked for half a quartern of gin hot, which came to 2 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I served him—he gave me a florin, I found it was bad, bent it, and gave it to my father who broke it—Jones said that she had been getting into the wars lately—my father spoke to the prisoners and they left together.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-32" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-32" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-32" type="surname" value="HARRIS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-32" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD HARRIS</persName> </hi>. I keep the King's Head—
<hi rend="italic">my daughter</hi> called ray attention to the prisoners on 8th April—I saw that she had bent the coin—I reversed the bend and it broke—I asked Walmsley if he knew it was bad—he said "No"—I said I would give them the benefit of it, and allow them to go—my man Ford, followed them—I was afterwards sent for to the station, saw the two prisoners there, and gave them in charge with the florin and the pieces which I marked.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Walmsley.</hi> You may have said that you were very sorry and did know not it was bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-33" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-33" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-33" type="surname" value="FORD"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-33" type="given" value="CHRISTOPHER"/>CHRISTOPHER FORD</persName> </hi>. I am a waiter at the King's Head—on the night of 8th April I received instructions and followed the prisoners to the Crown Inn, Oxford Street—I saw something pass from one to the other on the way—I went in by another door and spoke to the barmaid—she showed me a broken florin and I went into the other compartment and detained the prisoners till a constable came—when Jones stepped back I found a broken sixpence under her dress—I gave it to the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-34" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-34" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-34" type="surname" value="HENNEY"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-34" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH HENNEY</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the Crown, 469, Oxford Street—on April 8, between 11 and 12 o'clock at night the prisoners came in; one of them called for half a quartern of gin, and while I was serving it Ford came in and called nay attention to the prisoners, who were drinking the gin together—Walmsley laid a florin on the counter—I broke it, and said "Are you aware what you have given me?"—Ford went for a constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Walmsley.</hi> I don't know which of you called for the gin—Jones offered to pay for it in coppers, but not till I said do you know what you have give me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jones.</hi> You did not call for a pint of stout. Thomas Matthew Crow. I am a chemist, of 49, Prince's Street, Leicester Square—on the 3rd April, about 11 a.m., I sold the prisoner 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. worth of blue ointment—he gave me a bad shilling—I told him it was bad and made a hole in it with the scissors—he threw down a good shilling which he had. concealed in his hand and I gave him 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change and allowed him to go out of the shop—I then gave him in custody with the shilling in his hand. William Oxedge (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 232). On the 3rd April Mr. Crow gave the prisoner into my custody—I found on him this shilling with a hole in it: (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), a sixpence, and 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. were found on him at the station—he said that he took the shilling at the Charing Cross Railway Station—he was taken before a Magistrate on the 3rd, remanded till the 8th, and dis
<lb/>charged at 12 o'clock in the day.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-35" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-35" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-35" type="surname" value="SARGEANT"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-35" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE SARGEANT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 404). On the 8th April the two prisoners were given into my custody and I saw Ford pick up the broken sixpence—I received a florin in two pieces from Henny and a piece of a florin from Edward Harris—I searched Walmsley, but found nothing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Walmsley.</hi> Jones acknowledged calling for the gin and said that she would pay for it; nothing was said about a pint of ale—Ford did not fetch me, he was holding you.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-36" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-36" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-36" type="surname" value="RESCORTA"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-36" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA RESCORTA</persName> </hi>. I am a female searcher—I searched Jones at the station, but found nothing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-37" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-37" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-37" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-37" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these pieces of coin are all bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-38" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-38" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-38" type="surname" value="DEFENCE"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-38" type="given" value="WALMSLEY'S"/>WALMSLEY'S DEFENCE</persName> </hi>. I went into the house and had some gin. I met this; female there and asked her where I could get a lodging. The barmaid said that the coin was bad. I said "I have got 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., we will go to another public-house and have a pint of beer. I did not know the money was bad.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Jones' Defence.</hi> What he has said is quite right. I said "You don't mind standing a drop of beer," and we went to the next public-house.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18750503-306-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-306-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-306-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">They were both further charged with former convictions of like offences; Walmdey in September</hi>, 1872,
<hi rend="italic">and Jones in March</hi>, 1873,
<hi rend="italic">to which they</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18750503-306-punishment-3" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-306-punishment-3" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-306-18750503 t18750503-306-punishment-3"/>Five Years' Penal Servitude each</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18750503-307" type="date" value="18750503"/>
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<p>307.
<persName id="def1-307-18750503" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-307-18750503" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="def1-307-18750503" type="age" value="21"/>
<interp inst="def1-307-18750503" type="surname" value="HEWITT"/>
<interp inst="def1-307-18750503" type="given" value="JOHN"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN HEWITT</hi> (21)</persName>, was indicted
<rs id="t18750503-307-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-307-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-307-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/> for a like offence.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELB</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-40" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-40" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-40" type="surname" value="SCHOUVER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-40" type="given" value="LEON"/>LEON SCHOUVER</persName> </hi>. I am a chemist, of 21, Prince's Street, Hanover Square—on the 2nd April, at 9 o'clock p.m., I served the prisoner with a seidlitz powder which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he put down a half-crown—I gave him the change and then found that it was bad—lie had not left the shop then, but I followed him out and caught him in Regent Circus—he began to kick, he had been running, but had stopped and was taking to another man—he tried to kick me and I could not help letting him go—I pursued him and caught him at the corner of Oxford Street, a gentleman helped me and he was given in custody—the change I gave him was a florin and 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I gave the half-crown to the constable—I never lost sight of the prisoner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-41" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-41" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-41" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-41" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH SMITH</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Wilson, chemist, of 336, Oxford Street—on Friday evening, the 2nd April, between 8 and 9 o'clock, I saw another another assistant serve the prisoner with two sidelitz powders which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he tendered a half-crown which was put into the till and change was given—a constable came in, and I found a bad half-crown in the till which I marked and gave to the constable—I identified a seidlitz powder at the Btation as coming from our shop; the name was on it—I cannot say whether there was any other half-crown in the till.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> We took no half-crowns that night after that—I did not come forward till two weeks afterwards, because we did not wish to prosecute you, we are not the prosecutors, we are only witnesses. Edward Pabbott. I am an assistant to Mr. Willcox—I remember serv
<lb/>ing somebody, I don't know who, with a seidlitz powder, about 8 o'clock that evening the person gave me a half-crown which I put into the till—I cannot say whether there were other half-crowns there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-42" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-42" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-42" type="surname" value="FULLER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-42" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN FULLER</persName> </hi>. I am a chemist, of 86, New Bond Street—on the 2nd April, between 8 and 9 o'clock at night, I served the prisoner with a seidlitz powder; he gave me a half-crown and I gave him 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change and put the half-crown in the till—there was no other half-crown there—I examined it when the constable came in and found it was bad; the date was 1874—I marked it and gave it to him—I have since seen a seidlitz powder and identified it as coming from my shop.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I can swear to you without much diff
<lb/>culty, the constable recognised you by my description.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-43" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-43" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-43" type="surname" value="WESTON"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-43" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH WESTON</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Roberts & Co., chemists, of New Bond Street—on 2nd April between 8 and 9 o'clock the prisoner came in for two seidlitz powders, and gave me a bad half-crown; one of the firm broke it in two, and I gave the pieces to the prisoner who paid me with coppers.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-44" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-44" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-44" type="surname" value="BURMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-44" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE BURMAN</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Burman, a chemist, of 6, Store Street, Bedford Square—on 2nd April a man who I cannot identify came in for a seidlitz powder, and gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change and put the half-crown in the till; there were no others there—on the same day some one purchased two pennyworth of lint, and paid with a half-crown,</p>
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<p>which was also put into the till—both those half-crowns were handed to the constable next morning.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-45" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-45" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-45" type="surname" value="BURDEN"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-45" type="given" value="JOHN BRITTAIN"/>JOHN BRITTAIN BURDEN</persName> </hi>. I assist my father—on 2nd April I showed him where the lint was kept—I looked in the till and found two bad half-crowns which I gave to the constable next morning.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-46" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-46" type="surname" value="PIPE"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-46" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY PIPE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 456). I was on duty in Oxford Street, at 8.45—heard a cry of "Stop thief," and Schubert came up and gave him into my custody—I searched him at the station and found a sovereign, 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in silver, 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze, seven seidlitz powders, and two pieces of lint—he gave his correct address—I received this half-crown from Schubert, this other from Smith, this other from Fuller, and these two from Burden—one' of these seidlitz powders is from Mr. Willcox. (
<hi rend="italic">These seidlitz powder papers were identified by Smith, Fuller, Weston and Burden.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-47" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-47" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These five half-crowns are bad and from the same; mould.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoners Defence.</hi> A young man came up and said "Do you want any seidliz powders?" and gave them to me, and immediately a man came up and laid hold of me.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-307-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been convicted of felony at the Guildhall</hi>, in 1874,
<hi rend="italic">to which he</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-307-18750503 t18750503-307-punishment-4"/>Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES GEORGE WILSON</hi> (25)</persName>, was indicted
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<interp inst="t18750503-308-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/> for a like offence.</rs> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-49" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-49" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-49" type="given" value="TIMOTHY"/>TIMOTHY MARR</persName> </hi>. I am assistant counterman at the Pimlico Post-office, Buckingham Gate—in April the prisoner came for a shilling's worth of stamps, and tendered a gilt shilling—I sounded it on the counter and gave! him the stamps—I saw May weigh the coin and asked the prisoner where he got it, he said from his master—I asked him for the stamps back, and he refused, to
<hi rend="italic">give</hi> them to me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-50" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-50" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-50" type="surname" value="MAY"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-50" type="given" value="WILLIAM ACKLAND"/>WILLIAM ACKLAND MAY</persName> </hi>. I keep the counter at the Pimlico Post-office Buckingham Gate—on the afternoon of 2nd April I saw the prisoner come in, he asked for some stamps and the assistant counterman called to me to come and weigh a coin which I saw was too large and too light to be a sovereign—after it was weighed I told the prisoner that it was a bad sovereign—he said "It is not"—I said "It is"—I tried to break it but did not succeed—I asked him where he got it—he said that he took it for a debt—asked him for the stamps emdash he said that he would give them em to me if I would give him the money—it was a very busy day—I told him I would not give it to him, but I would give him a piece of it, and if he made any disturbance I would send for a policeman and give him in charge—I sent for the postmaster and gave him the coin—I did not mark it, but I can swear to it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> You returned the stamps afterwards—you could have gone before the policeman was sent for if you had given me the stamps back, but if you had gone with the stamps I should have gone after you.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-51" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-51" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-51" type="surname" value="HUMPHREYS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-51" type="given" value="JANE"/>JANE HUMPHREYS</persName> </hi>. I am a widow and keep a stationer's shop at 23 Eaton Place, Pimlico—on 6th February the prisoner came in for 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of stamps and said he did not care what kind they were—he had a letter in his hand and said that he had been endeavouring to get a post-office order but could not—I gave him 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. worth of receipt stamps and the rest in postage stamps—he put them into the letter which he had in his hand: this</p>
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<p>was from 5.20 to 5.30 and the gas was lighted daring the time we stood there—he placed this coin (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) on the counter; I detected it the instant I touched it, and called after him—I took the coin to the station, showed it to the inspector, and saw him give it to a policeman who I saw return it to the inspector; he gave it to me—I took it home, wrapped it in paper, and put it in my cash-box, which no one else goes to, and on 12th April I handed it to the witness Talbot—on 5th April I went to the station and saw the prisoner; I did not point him out, but I felt that he was the man, and when I heard him speak I knew he was the man.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> It was about 5.30 when you came in, you were there from five to seven minutes before the gas was lighted—you were there nine, ten, or eleven minutes—Miss Talbot was there the whole time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-52" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-52" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-52" type="surname" value="TALBOT"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-52" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA TALBOT</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mrs. Humphreys—on 6th February, about 5.30, the prisoner came in for 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of stamps; he was not particular whether they were receipt or postage—I had not sufficient and Bent for Mrs. Humphreys—the prisoner asked her for the stamps, saying that he was too late to get a post-office order—he had a letter in his hand, but I could not see whether it was addressed—Mrs. Humphreys gave him 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of stamps; he put them into the letter, threw down a coin which he had in his hand, and left the shop immediately—Mrs. Humphreys took it up and showed it to me, and we both thought it was bad—I went out but could not see the prisoner—the gas was not lighted when he came in, Mrs. Humphreys lit it when she came in and before he had the stamps—I took particular notice of him—I saw Mrs. Humphreys leck the coin up in a cash-box—I picked out the prisoner at the station from eight or ten others and have no doubt about him—I gave the coin to the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was in the shop the whole time you were there except going into the sitting room for Mrs. Humphrey's keys—I had never-seen you before—I am Mrs. Humphery's niece.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-53" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-53" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-53" type="surname" value="ANDERSON"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-53" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT ANDERSON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman B</hi> 62). On 6th February I was on duty at the Cottage Road police-station when Mrs. Humphreys came and handed a coin to the inspector, who handed it to me in her presence—I took it to Mr. Adshead, a silversmith, who examined it and poured some liquor on it—I did not lose sight of it from the time I gave it him till he gave it back to me, I then took it to the station again and gave it to the inspector, who handed it to Mrs. Humprheys in my presence.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-54" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-54" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-54" type="surname" value="WRIGHT"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-54" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WRIGHT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman BR</hi> 13). I was called into the post-office and the prisoner was given into my custody for passing a counterfeit sovereign, he said that it was good money and be would make them pay for it—t received the coin from Mr. May and another from Miss Talbot on the 12th on the remand—I found 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., same tobacco, and a box of lights on the "prisoner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-55" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-55" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-55" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-55" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These two coins are good shillings of George IV. gilt—they are larger than a sovereign and considerably lighter.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-56" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-56" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-56" type="given" value="PRISONER'S"/>PRISONER'S DEFENCE</persName> </hi>. Here is the name of a gentleman at whose house I was at the very hour and day when I am stated to have committed this offence—he is not here.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Nine Months' Imprison
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<p>309.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN MELTON</hi> (18)</persName>,
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<interp inst="t18750503-309-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>
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<interp inst="t18750503-309-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-309-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="burglary"/>to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-58" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-58" type="surname" value="ROBERTS"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-309-offence-1 t18750503-name-58"/>Eliza Roberts</persName> and others and stealing therein a box of dates and other articles her property</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-309-18750503 t18750503-309-punishment-6"/>
<hi rend="italic">Fourteen Days' Im
<lb/>prisoment.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>310.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE NORRIS</hi> (41)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-310-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-310-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="mail"/>, to two indictments for stealing whilst employed in the post-office, four post letters, the property of the Postmaster-General, after a previous conviction of felony</rs>,
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<interp inst="t18750503-310-offence-2" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-310-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="theftFromPlace"/>also to stealing an inkstand and other articles of
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-60" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-60" type="surname" value="JENKINS"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-310-offence-2 t18750503-name-60"/>Edward Jenkins</persName> in his dwelling-house</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-310-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-310-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> And</p> </div1>
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<p>311.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">EMILE GARDINE</hi> (26)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-311-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-311-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="pocketpicking"/>, to two indictments for stealing a purse and 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and a purse and 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. from the person, after a previous conviction of felony—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-311-18750503 t18750503-311-punishment-8"/>
<hi rend="italic">Fifteen Months' Imprisonment.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-311-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-311-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 4
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN HURLEY</hi> (18)</persName>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<interp inst="def3-312-18750503" type="given" value="JOHN"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN MARNEY</hi> (20)</persName>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18750503-312-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-312-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-312-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>
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<interp inst="t18750503-312-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-65" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-65" type="surname" value="GEARY"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-312-offence-1 t18750503-name-65"/>Charles Gearey</persName> </rs>.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MARSHALL</hi>*—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-312-18750503 t18750503-312-punishment-9"/>Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HURLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18750503-312-punishment-10" type="punishmentDescription">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-312-18750503 t18750503-312-punishment-10"/>Nine Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MARNEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18750503-312-punishment-11" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-312-punishment-11" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def3-312-18750503 t18750503-312-punishment-11"/>Six Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and other sums of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-313-offence-1 t18750503-name-67"/>Jones Denton</persName> and another, having been before convicted of Felony in September, 1864.</rs>
<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by Pro
<lb/>secutor</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-313-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>314.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">FREDERICK MERKEL</hi> (17)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-314-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="stealingFromMaster"/>, to stealing an order for payment of 38
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 13
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.</hi> </rs>
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<p>315.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY NEAVES</hi> (24)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-315-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="embezzlement"/>, to two indictments for embezzling 19
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and other sums, of
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<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<p>316.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">FREDERICK CROYDON</hi> (32)</persName>,
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-316-18750503 t18750503-316-punishment-15"/>
<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-316-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18750503-317" type="date" value="18750503"/>
<join result="criminalCharge" id="t18750503-317-charge-1" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-317-18750503 t18750503-317-offence-1 t18750503-317-verdict-1"/>
<p>317.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES SUTTON</hi> (24)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-317-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="stealingFromMaster"/>, to stealing; four boxes of cigars and other goods of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-317-offence-1 t18750503-name-75"/>James Hyde</persName>, his master, having been before convicted of felony in November, 1870—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-317-18750503 t18750503-317-punishment-16"/>
<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months' Impri
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<interp inst="t18750503-317-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>318.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM BOWERS</hi> (22)</persName>,
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<interp inst="t18750503-318-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="theftFromPlace"/> to stealing in the dwelling-house of
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<hi rend="italic">Nine Months' Imprisonment.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-318-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>And</p> </div1>
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<p>319.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">SAMUEL APPLEBY</hi> (25)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-319-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, to forging and uttering an endorsement to an order for the payment of money' with intent to defraud—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-319-18750503 t18750503-319-punishment-18"/>
<hi rend="italic">Nine Months' Imprisonment.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-319-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>320.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY CRAVEN COULTHARD</hi> (37)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-320-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/>, Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences certain valuable securities of the
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-320-offence-1 t18750503-name-80"/>Metropolitan Counties Co
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. STRAIGHT</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<p>321.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM GOLDING</hi> (19)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-321-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/>, Unlawfully attempting to obtain 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. from
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-321-offence-1 t18750503-name-82"/>William Henry Dolamore</persName> by false pretences with intent to defraud.:</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. J. P. GRAIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLET</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-83" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-83" type="given" value="WILLIAM HENRY"/>WILLIAM HENRY DOLAMORE</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the employ of Pfeil, Stedall & Co., iron merchants, of Broad Street, Bloomsbury—on the 27th; March, some time between 12 o'clock and 12.30 in the day the prisoner came to the counting-house—I had known him well previously—he asked me for payment of a bill for some horseshoes; this is the bill he presented—"Messrs. Pfeil, Stedall & Co. Dr. to Wm. Pavey, veterinary surgeon, Mason Street. 6 cwt. of hind shoes, 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. Paid W. Pavey." I asked him who signed the bill head—he said Williams; Williams is our store-keeper; he would take in these things, but he has no authority to sign bill
<hi rend="italic">'</hi>. heads, that would be the duty of Mr. Watson, our buyer—I don't know any one named Pavey, we have had no transactions with him—we did not owe</p>
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<p>him 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or anything—I am quite certain as to the date and time at which I saw the prisoner—there were two other clerks present, Liversedge and Finch—I asked the prisoner to come downstairs with me to see Williams, because Williams had no authority to sign bill heads—he came downstairs with me and he went out at one door while I went out to find Williams and I saw no more of the prisoner—on the Tuesday I went to Tower Street to see R. W. Golding & Son—we had had frequent transactions with them; the prisoner, had called for bills from them—I saw him on the Tuesday; I did not speak to him—our Mr. Child, in my presence, asked him whether he was at our place on that day—he said that he was but he did not come upstairs—I have made inquiries in Mason Street, but cannot find that there is any person named Pavey there, nor has there been for the last three years.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Mr. Child asked the prisoner whether he presented the bill in the counting-house—he said he did not go upstairs, he met Williams in the passage—there are eight clerks in the counting-house—there is a nar
<lb/>row passage leading from the street to the back and a large yard at the end—the passage is about 6 feet in width, and an old skylight at the end—there is a door on the left of the passage just before you get to the yard, leading up to the counting-house; there are about twenty steps up to the counting-house, and then there is a door to go through—my desk faces the door; the other clerks' desks are a short distance from mine; the room is very light—I know it was after 12 o'clock that this occurred, but it was not so late as 12.30—when the prisoner presented the paper he asked me to pay in the usual way, he simply handed me the bill head—I don't think he made any remark; I am not sure about it—it did not occupy above two minutes—I went to try and find Williams, but did not find him for twenty minutes—I gave Williams a description of the person who had' been with the bill—I had seen the prisoner constantly, but did not know his name—I described him to Williams as a slim, fair young man; I did not tell him how he was dressed—Williams said that Golding had been there that morning—I did not mention Golding's name until Williams mentioned it to me; I did not know that he came from Golding & Son, I knew that he came from a farrier's.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-84" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-84" type="given" value="JOHN TYLER"/>JOHN TYLER FINCH</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to the prosecutors—I have known the prisoner by sight for about a year as coming for the payment of bills from Golding—on Saturday, 27th March, I saw him in the office, I don't know what he was doing, he was going downstairs with Mr. Dolamore; it was shortly after 12 o'clock, about 12.15 or 12.30—I recognised him as a person I had seen before coming from the farrier's.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was not called at the Police Court—Mr. Child did not., tell me that the prisoner denied having come to the counting-house—I was told yesterday to come here; I was first spoken to about it two or three weeks ago, a day or two before I went to the Middlesex Sessions.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-85" type="given" value="THOMAS WILLIAM"/>THOMAS WILLIAM LIVERSEDGE</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk to the prosecutors—I have known the prisoner about eighteen months by coming to our place present
<lb/>ing papers for money from Golding & Son—on Saturday, 27th March, I saw him in the counting-house—I saw him present a note to Dolamore, I did not hear any conversation pass, being too far off—I saw him go downstairs again, Dolamore first and the prisoner next; that was all I saw—I think it was from 12 o'clock to 12.30.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was first told I should be required as a witness two</p>
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<p>or three weeks afterwards—Golding's accounts are initialed by Mr. Watson, not by Williams. '</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-86" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-86" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-86" type="surname" value="WILLIAMS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-86" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WILLIAMS</persName> </hi>. I am stock-keeper to Messrs. Pfeil & Stedall—on Saturday, 27th March, I recollect the prisoner coming to me—I have known him for some months by coming to the firm with shoes—I saw him in the passage leading up into the warehouse—he said "Ob, Williams, do you want any shoes yet"—I said "No, you were told some time ago that we should not want any"—he said he was passing that way and he thought he would look in and see—no one was with him—there was a man with me who had been at work with me—he did not say anything else, nor did I—he then went down the passage into the street—I went through the coach-department down into the nail cellar—I did not initial any bill that day.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He said he had called from his brother to see if any
<lb/>thing was wanted—there is a door in the passage leading to the staircase up to the counting-house—I did not see him go beyond that door—I saw him go down the passage into the street—I saw him going down the passage—I should think it was about 12 o'clock.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-87" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-87" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-87" type="surname" value="SMART"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-87" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES SMART</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 111). I apprehended the prisoner on Friday, 2nd April—I told him the charge—he made no answer.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I found him at his work place in Tower Street, Waterloo Road, at his brother's.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called the following tidinesses for the defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-88" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-88" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-88" type="surname" value="GOLDING"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-88" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN GOLDING</persName> </hi>. I live at 73, Tower Street, Westminster Bridge Road—I am a farrier—I have been in business about two or two and a half years—my father had it before I did for sixteen years—I carried on business as Golding & Son—the prisoner is my brother, he will be twenty next July—he has been in my employment and was in my father's too, ever since he could work—there has never been any reproach on his character—I was in the habit of supplying horseshoes to Pfeil, Stedall & Co.—my brother has sometimes gone there for orders, and sometimes a lad named Ball, who is apprenticed to me—on Friday, 27th March, I directed my brother to go there for orders, to see what size shoes they would want, or whether they had sold any shoes—I think he left my place about 11 o'clock, or it might have been about 11.15—he came back about 12.30 or 12.35, Ball went with him and a man named Wright or Wade.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I am sure it was not 10 o'clock when he left—it was holiday time—I was at work myself and gave the men a holiday—it is a good half hour's walk from my place to Messrs. Stedall's—I know the day because it was the day after Good Friday—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are some of my bills, three of them are in my brother's writing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-89" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-89" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-89" type="surname" value="BALL"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-89" type="given" value="WILLIAM HENRY"/>WILLIAM HENRY BALL</persName> </hi>. I am an apprentice to Mr. Golding, and live with him—on the Saturday after Good Friday I and the prisoner and Wade went to Messrs. Pfeil, & Stedall's, we got there about 12.15 or 12.20, between that or 12.30—I remained on the opposite side of the way, outside the Brown Bear beer-shop with Wade—the prisoner went up the passage of Messrs. Stedall's, and stood in the middle of the court—I saw him meet Williams—he was with him two or three minutes, and then came out and went away—he came straight out from the passage—he did not go into any doorway—I could see down the passage—he joined me when he came out—we went into a public-house at the corner of Endell Street—we did not stop there very long—we then went straight home—we got back from</p>
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<p>1.15 to 1.20—the prisoner was not out of my sight from the time I left till I got home.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He was not out of my sight a minute—I did not go into the beer-shop—I stood opposite the whole time looking up the passage—it was no while—it was two or three minutes—I had no reason for looking, we only went with him for a walk—I was showing Wade two or three things on the opposite side of the way, and I said "There is William in the court and there are four shops all belonging to one man"—I was going to show him something else but the prisoner came out before we had time to go over—I never lost sight of him the whole time; that I swear—I know the place well—he might have gone into a side door, but he did not—we were only standing there two or three minutes—I did not turn my back to the entrance of the passage.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-90" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-90" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-90" type="surname" value="WRIGHT"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-90" type="given" value="ROBERT JAMES"/>ROBERT JAMES WRIGHT</persName> </hi>. I am sometimes called Wade—my mother married a Mr. Wade when I was twelve years old—I work occasionally for Mr. Golding in the winter—I know the prisoner—on the Saturday after Good Friday he asked me to come with him to Messrs. Stedall's, Ball went with us—Ball and I stood on the opposite side of the way and the prisoner went down the court—I saw him speak to some person, I don't know who it was till the prisoner came out again, then he told me—I saw him come out after speaking to the man—I never lost sight of him; he could not by possibility have gone up any stairs—I crossed the road and met him as he came out, we went and had some ale and then went straight home.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I mean to say that I did not lose sight of the prisoner at all—I don't recollect Ball pointing out any shops or anything to me.
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner received an excellent character.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750503-321-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.
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<interp inst="t18750503-321-offence-2" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-321-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>
<hi rend="italic">There was another indictment against the prisoner for forging and uttering the receipt</hi> </rs>,
<rs id="t18750503-321-verdict-2" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-321-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="notGuilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-321-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="noEvidence"/>
<hi rend="italic">upon which no evidence was offered.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>322.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">BENJAMIN MITCHELL</hi> (52)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-322-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/>, Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences 112
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. from
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-92" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-322-offence-1 t18750503-name-92"/>Alexander Serjeant Cochrane</persName> with intent to de
<lb/>fraud.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HORACE BROWN</hi>:
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-93" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-93" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-93" type="given" value="ALEXANDER"/>ALEXANDER SERJEANT COCHRANE</persName> </hi>. I am a banker and money lender, and carry on business under the title of the National Deposit Bank, at 17, Russell Street, Covent Garden—I first became acquainted with the de
<lb/>fendant about two or three years ago—on 13th December, 1873, he executed a bill of sale for 430
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—that document was destroyed when another one was signed—it was secured on a mortgage of his stock and crops on the farm called Crow Hall, Denver Felt hall, in the county of Norfolk—that loan was to be repaid by four monthly instalments of 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he made three payments of 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., one on 16th February, "' one on 27th March, and one on 8th September, 1874; that left 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. due—on 16th January this year he came to me and said he wished to borrow 112
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in money and the remaining 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. that was due on the previous loan to be included in it, making 220
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—no one was present at that interview—I gave him a promissory note to take with him to get his son's signature to it—he took the promissory note away on the 16th, and on the 19th he came to me; on that occasion Mr. Thompson, the chief cashier, was present and witnessed the bill of sale—I then said to the pri
<lb/>soner "Is your property still unencumbered beyond the bill of sale I hold dated December 13th, 1873, is it absolutely your own"—he said "Yes, it</p>
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<p>is"—I inquired of him whether he had full right to assign it to me, because in that inventory they could not be the same crops as were in the inventory of 1873—he assured me that the whole of the property was unencumbered—I am sure that he said that, otherwise I should not have parted with the money—I did not make inquiry about any other bills of sale—I asked him generally whether his property was unencumbered; I then advanced him the money—I wrote the inventory down in his presence from what he told me, and he signed it; this is it, and this is the bill of sale—it was given to him to read and was fully explained to him—he signed it before I gave him the cheque—I should not have given him the money unless he had signed it—after he had signed it I made out this cheque and gave it to him,. and I also released his other bill of sale; it was cancelled, torn up in his presence, and a receipt given to him for the money—I gave him 112
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I held a previous promissory note of his for the 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and I gave him that back and took the new bill of sale to secure the 240
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. payable in four monthly instalments of 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a month—the first instalment was due on 9th February—I was induced to part with my money upon his representation that the property was unencumbered—if I had known that Mr. Stevenson had a bill of sale of March, 1874, I should not have advanced the money—neither of the bills of sale were registered—I got a notice from the Bankruptcy Court about eight or nine days after I had advanced the money; I think on 4th February, as I had advanced the money on 19th January—my cheque has come back from my bankers paid.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I am a banker—I do not take deposits from customers upon which they draw cheques—I could issue cheques, but I am simply a deposit banker—I am a banker in precisely the same sense as Coutts and Glyn—I am a money-lender as well as an ordinary banker—I advertise every day in the
<hi rend="italic">Standard</hi>, and have done so for a considerable period, seven or eight years, at 5 per cent, interest—I have not been all that time in Russell Street; at the time I advanced this money I was at 87, York Road, Westminster Bridge Road, and 33, Bloomsbury Street, Oxford Street, my name is Alexander Serjeant Cochrane—that is the name I have always gone by—I used to advertise in the name of Alexander Serjeant in all the papers, the
<hi rend="italic">Daily Telegraph</hi> and the
<hi rend="italic">Standard</hi>—the reason why I adver
<lb/>tised in that name was because I was then my own manager, and in paying a farmer a cheque if I had signed it Serjeant and he paid it to his banker they would know that he had been to a London banker to borrow money, and that would have injured his credit—I signed my cheques in the name of Alexander Cochrane, then they would not know where he had been to—I have never been convicted, of course not—I was never convicted in the name of Serjeant—the defendant knew me as Mr. Serjeant Cochrane—I may have written to him in the name of Serjeant—he may have applied to my office for money when I advertised in that name—I did not say at the Police Court that I had some thousands of bills of sale running of this character; a thousand I dare say I might have—I have only been in Russell Street since July last—I advance at 5 per cent. where money is borrowed for ten years on mortgage of house property—I think I charged the defendant 15 per cent., certainly not close upon 90 per cent.—I gave him 390
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. cash or 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the 430
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. loan—the book only shows the 430
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., not the amount I gave—I had to pay the expense of going down to his</p>
<xptr type="pageFacsimile" doc="187505030023"/>
<p>place to make inquiries—before negotiating the first loan I wrote to him to say he must pay my second-class fare to Norfolk—that was prior to this loan—the loan was secured by four promissory notes of 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., payable in one, two, three and four months—he borrowed the money for four months, and we always reckon the interest on the length of time—the 15 per cent. was for the accommodation—the first three instalments were met, the fourth was not—he paid me 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 13
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a month for that while it was running—of course if a person wants it to stand over they pay in proportion—it went on up to 19th January—in December, 1873, his son was security—he was security for every one of these notes—I did not know that his son could deposit security to the extent of 12, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I never heard of such a thing—I required the son's security on each note—I asked him about security and he said his son was a man of some considerable property and he would ask him to be security—I then made out the pro
<lb/>missory notes and said if his son would sign them I would lend him the money—Richard Parnell is my manager—I have several clerks; I have one named Henry Isaacs, we call him Mr. Henry—I am not aware that he rings the changes on his name—he does not go by the name of Mr. Henry as a rule—I did not know that he signed for the bank in the name of Henry till you told me so the other day at the Police Court—I know now that he did sign "I. Henry," he is here—it was on the 16th January that the defendant called; I had written to him to say that I must have his loan settled up; I did not keep a copy of the letter—I did not ask him for more interest; he did not say when he came that he had come to pay the interest—he did not have a conversation about breeding-horses for me—I wanted a carriage horse and asked him if he had one for sale; he is a breeder of horses—I did not say to him "Do you want any more money—the proposition came from him; would I let him have some more, and I said I would do so on condition that his son signed a fresh promissory note and this bill of sale would then have to be cancelled—I did not let him have the money on the 16th, because he had not got his son's signature—I would not have let him have the money but for his son's signature and the bill of sale—I had a bill of sale on the son's goods as well; he never deposited with me 12, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of security, not a farthing—it is true, as I said before the Magistrate, that I refused to let the defendant have any more money till the promissory note was signed by the son, I waited three or four days till he brought it, and then I advanced the money—I had not shown him the bill of sale on the 16th, it was simply a copy of the original one; it was not prepared then—I spoke to him about it then, I swear that; no one was present—I am not aware that a prisoner on his trial cannot
<hi rend="italic">give</hi> evidence—this is only the second time I have been here, I was here about six years ago when I prosecuted a person; I know nothing of criminal matters—the prisoner owed me 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for inte
<lb/>rest after he had signed the bill, and after I had received the son's promis
<lb/>sory note, the costs made it 230
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; there was the cost of the bill of sale, the cost of inquiry into his responsibility at Stubbs and Perry's, and the stamps—we always have fresh inquiries, to see whether there is any other bill of sale registered—at that time the son also owed me 210
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for an advance of 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he did not have that by driblets; he had 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week by his own desire—he has paid back the whole of that and he gave me 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to release his liability to these promissory notes; he was liable for the whole 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., but a few days prior to my receiving the 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. his solicitor called and told me if I did not receive the money he would file a petition for liquidation, and under</p>
<xptr type="pageFacsimile" doc="187505030024"/>
<p>his influence I received the 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I received 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the 17th February all in one-lump—Israel went down to Norfolk to seize the son's sheep—I autho
<lb/>rised him to go down and instruct an auctioneer to seize the sheep; he realised the sheep and brought me the 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; it was paid on the 17th, and I received it on the 18th—I did not prove in bankruptcy, I swore a bank
<lb/>ruptcy petition on the 13th February—Mr. Walter E. Goatley is a com
<lb/>missioner for administering oaths; he is my solicitor in this matter—Mr. Abrahams, his representative, acted for me at Bow Street, I don't know whether he is a solicitor; he examined the witnesses for me; he went with me into the Grand Jury room yesterday—Mr. Stevenson was not examined before the Grand Jury, only me and Mr. Abrahams—Israel was before the Magistrate but was not examined.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I have the cheque here that I gave him on 13th December, 1873; it is for 390
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—up to 8th September I had only received 322
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and interest for arrears—that came to 32
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—the interest on renewals would be more than on the loan, because, if you cannot depend on a man's money coming back, you must charge more, because you have not the money to work with—I had to pay five guineas out of pocket in sending to Norfolk, and my surveyor has two guineas a day—I did not get back the 430
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I lost 107
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. out of that promissory note—the 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I received from the son relates to the second loan—the money I lent in December, 1873, did not come back till February, 1875, and then not the whole of it, and I should not have got it unless I had written to him a great many times—I should not have parted with my money upon the promissory notes without the bill of sale—if he had refused to sign the bill of sale, I should not have parted with the money; it was on the bill of sale and the promis
<lb/>sory notes that I parted with it; the bill of sale was the only security I had—the son's loan was 210
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; I gave him 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in cash—that loan was granted on 23rd September, 1874—he is of full age and a well-educated man—that loan was between the two loans to the prisoner—he was only too pleased to borrow the money on the terms; he took away half of it, and requested me to send him 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week to pay his men's wages—that was entirely his own wish, and I was at the expense of registering the letters every week—I should not have parted with the 112
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to the prisoner but for his statement that there was no encumbrance on his property beyond the residue of the old bill of sale.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi> Mr. Brown. I should not have parted with the money if the son had not signed the notes—I had not the cheque ready signed when he came with the promissory notes; it was written out in his presence.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-94" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-94" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-94" type="surname" value="THOMPSON"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-94" type="given" value="GEORGE WILLIAM"/>GEORGE WILLIAM THOMPSON</persName> </hi>. I am a cashier employed by Mr. Cochrane at the Deposit Bank, 16 and 17, Great Russell Street, Covent Garden—I was present two or three days before 19th January, 1875, when the defendant came there—he wished to borrow some more money on a bill of sale and pay the balance due on a former bill of sale—he said he wished to borrow it on his farming stock and crops—he was asked if the property was still unencumbered except the bill of sale that we held—he said it was—I saw him again on the 19th—the money was advanced to him, on that day—I saw him sign the bill of sale; it was put into his hand and explained to him—the inventory was also signed, and after that the cheque was handed to him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I heard all the conversation that took place on the 16th I heard nothing about 390 guineas for a horse—he was to take away the</p>
<xptr type="pageFacsimile" doc="187505030025"/>
<p>promissory note on the 16th for his son to sign—it was understood that he was to sign a fresh bill of sale; I believe Mr. Cochrane said so; I won't be so certain as to that—I feel almost certain that he did—the money he had borrowed before was on a bill of sale, and it was understood that this was to be the same—he came back on the Monday with the promissory note signed by the son, and Mr. Cochrane handed him the cheque; I believe he made it out in his presence—he was asked again on the 19th whether the property was encumbered, and he said no, save and except the former bill of sale; that was on the 16th and again on the 19th before he had the money.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-95" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-95" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-95" type="surname" value="STEVENSON"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-95" type="given" value="HENRY RONALD"/>HENRY RONALD STEVENSON</persName> </hi>. I am a scrivener, of No. 3, Bond Court House, Fallbrook—I know the defendant—on 27th March, 1874, he called on me and wanted to borrow some money—I let him have 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on three farms, Crow hill Farm, Poppy Lot Farm, and Shrub hill Farm, near Down ham, Norfolk—I asked him if he had any bill of sale or any encumbrance upon. his property—he said he had not—I advanced him 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and have the cheque here—before I parted with it he signed the bill of sale and the inventory; I produce them; it is to secure 475
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to be repaid by three instal
<lb/>ments on 27th of May, June, and July—he did not pay any of them; he only made one payment of 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in September, about six months after the time:—he still owes me 225
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I went down to Norfolk; I was there nearly two days. with the defendant—I found him in the occupation of a large farm there; I went over it with him and his son—I have no idea of the number of acres, it was a very large place; he told me it was near 2, 000 acres alto-gather, but I have no means of judging at all of that—I saw a great quantity. of turf—I took a second bill of sale on' 26th January, 1875; that was in reality to secure this—this was unregistered—the reason I took the other was that on 23rd or 24th January, or perhaps the 25th, Mr. Mitchell tele
<lb/>graphed to me that he had got an execution in, and I went down with my, solicitor to see what it was about, and then the second bill of sale was taken to secure this, because he thought he might have other executions put in—when I went down there I looked very carefully round the farm—I don't know much of growing crops, but other things I know pretty well; I think what I saw was worth between 4, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 5, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I did not hear till I went down the second time that he was engaged in a heavy law suit last year; I read an account in the London papers that he had an arbitration case with Canon Sparks, of Ely, his landlord; I believe all this trouble was occasioned by the failure of that law suit—I don't believe he would have had any reason to call his creditors together but for the execution that was put in by the clergyman.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I did not go to the meeting of creditors; I went to the solicitor's office—my solicitor had a notice that he was a liquidating debtor and could not meet his engagements—when I saw him on 25th January he never told me anything about the 112
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. he had obtained from Mr. Cochrane—I never heard of his bill of sale till Mr. Cochrane sent a person round to make inquiries—I heard of the execution on 24th or 25th January—it was for 211
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. I had the second bill of sale registered, not the first; it is not very common to register if you think there is sufficient security, of course it is worthless as against the sheriff; he swept away nearly all there was, and the first bill of sale was waste paper against the sheriff.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Several witnesses deposed to the Prisoner's good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FRITH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGUE WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., also a blue cheque duster which was covered over my father's clothes.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had never seen the prisoner before; I am not aware that he knows my brother—we shut the shop up at 12 o'clock—the shop projects a good way into the street.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-99" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-99" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-99" type="surname" value="LEWES"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-99" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA LEWES</persName> </hi>. I am a tailoress, and live in Wellclose Square—on Tues
<lb/>day night 13th April between 11 o'clock and 11.30 I was coming through Ship Alley and met the prisoner; I am sure he is the man; I afterwards picked him out at the station from a great many others—he knocked up against me—I observed that he Had a parcel tied up in a check duster, he had another bundle tied up under his arm, but I could not see what that was.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I said before the Magistrate that I saw his back and noticed his clothes—I also identified him by his voice, because he bumped against me, and as I turned round to speak to him he used most obscene language—I identified him by his features as well—this was just at the corner by Mr. Hawkins', he was coming direct from there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-100" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-100" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-100" type="surname" value="HAWKINS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-100" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HAWKINS</persName> </hi>. I am a house painter, and live at 39, Wellclose Square—on the evening of 13th April I went out about 6 or 7 o'clock, leaving my family at home—I returned about 12 o'clock or a little after—I did not miss anything till I went upstairs—I then found my drawers open and missed the articles stated—my wife was in bed; I awoke her—I found the window open—a person could get on to the leads over the shop, also in at the window—my wife is not here.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-101" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-101" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-101" type="surname" value="HAWKINS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-101" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA HAWKINS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). My mother went to bed a little after 12 o'clock.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-102" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-102" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-102" type="surname" value="MARRIOTT"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-102" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH MARRIOTT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi>). I apprehended the prisoner some days afterwards—I told him the charge, he said nothing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750503-323-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="notGuilty"/>
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<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 4
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ALFRED YEATES</hi> (44)</persName>,
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of the
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-324-offence-1 t18750503-name-104"/>London Joint Stock Coal Company</persName>, Limited—</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-324-18750503 t18750503-324-punishment-20"/>Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM ROBERT WARNER</hi> (54)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-325-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-325-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="embezzlement"/>, to three indictments for embezzling the sums of 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9., 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-106" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-106" type="surname" value="TURNER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-106" type="given" value="JAMES"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-325-offence-1 t18750503-name-106"/>James Turner</persName> and others, his masters;
<hi rend="italic">also</hi> to three indict
<lb/>ments for stealing 357
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 324
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 247
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 14
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 13
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of his said masters—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Judgment respited</hi>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>326.
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<interp inst="def1-326-18750503" type="given" value="TOM HORACE ORLANDO"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">TOM HORACE ORLANDO SAYWELL</hi> (17)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-326-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-326-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="mail"/>, to stealing a post-letter con
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General—</rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-326-punishment-22" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-326-punishment-22" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="penalServitude"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-326-18750503 t18750503-326-punishment-22"/>
<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>.
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<interp inst="t18750503-326-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-326-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs> And</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY SARTOR</hi> (31)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18750503-327-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-327-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="stealingFromMaster"/>, to six indictments for stealing orders for the payment of 78
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 117
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 117
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and other sums, of
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-109" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-109" type="surname" value="HOBBS"/>
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<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<interp inst="t18750503-327-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
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<p>328.
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<interp inst="def1-328-18750503" type="given" value="JAMES CHARLES"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES CHARLES HARDING</hi> (34)</persName>
<rs id="t18750503-328-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-328-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-328-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="bankrupcy"/>, For that he having been adjudicated a bankrupt, failed to discover all his personal property, with intent to defraud.
<hi rend="italic">Second Count</hi>—For the non-accounting for 2, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., part of his personal property.
<hi rend="italic">Third Count</hi>—Unlawfully obtaining from
<persName id="t18750503-name-111" type="victimName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-111" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-111" type="surname" value="BUTCHER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-111" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-328-offence-1 t18750503-name-111"/>Eliza Butcher</persName> 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on credit, and incurring a liability to that amount.
<hi rend="italic">Fourth Count</hi>—Unlawfully making a charge on a certain leasehold house, to wit a mortgage, with intent to defraud his creditors.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. F. H. LEWIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>; and
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FIELD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-112" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-112" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-112" type="surname" value="PULLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-112" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM PULLEY</persName> </hi>. I am Registrar of the Edmonton County Court—I produce the proceedings in the bankruptcy of James Charles Harding—the petition is dated July, 1874, it was filed the same day—the adjudication was July 23rd, and on August 11th J. B. Bradfield was appointed trustee—that appointment was afterwards vacated by order of the Judge, and George Frederick Flower was appointed, trustee—this is the bankrupt's statement of affairs, it shows a liability of 2, 936
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and he represents his assets to be 878
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., showing a deficiency of about 2, 057
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—there is no de
<lb/>ficiency account—I find two or more orders by the Court for filing cash accounts, but he has filed none—I sat as judge in an examination held before me on 22nd December; I took these notes of that examination (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> These are not official notes taken by a short-hand writer, nor are they made from my recollection; they were made at the time and I will undertake to say that they are correct word for word—official short-hand notes would be filed but not my notes—I cannot say that my notes contain all he said; the answers only are put, not the questions—I remember the purport of it exactly, but there are other matters which I cannot remember without refreshing my memory. (
<hi rend="italic">The witness was allowed to use his notes to refresh his memory.</hi>)</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LEWIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What did he say A. He was examined by Mr. Lewis as to Butcher's loan of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and said that the debts were received in capacity of an auctioneer, and appropriated to his own use; that Mr. Bowron's claim was for 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and he was instructed in October or November in 1873, to sell live and dead stock—the sale realised over 2, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and the balance owing to Bowron was 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., less commission—he said "I did not pay all I received"—I do not say that part of Mr. Butcher's loan went in discharge of Mr. Bowron's debt—it went in the business generally—as to John Luigay he said "I was instructed to sell live and dead stock,
<hi rend="italic">—t</hi> realised about 1, 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 1, 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; fifty sheep were not sold, and came into the assets; that was paid into my account in the usual way of business"—as to David Kidd he said "The house and homestead at Tanner's End were purchased through me, 110
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. deposit was paid to my bankers. Alfred Lott is not a creditor for 109
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., he is a creditor for 63
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., the proceeds of a sale; the greater part was not received by me, and is owing now. I received money from the local board and handed it over to him"—as to Mr. Gilbert he said "The farm produce was sold, the estate owes him the money, 41
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., a little over 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is owing now"—as to the Provident Building Society he said "Holder of lease</p>
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<p>held house for residue of ninety-nine years, executed a mortgage to them, received clear money, about 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I knew then that I was hopelessly in
<lb/>solvent. I was then in treaty for a partnership. I had told my proposed partner of the fact—the treaty went off after I was gazetted—I was pressed by my bankers, my account was considerably overdrawn; this 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. went into the Imperial Bank. I wanted two bankers, because the Imperial had a branch at Waltham. The receipts being about equal to the office and house-hold expenses, the sums received in business went into the general business"—Bradfield the horse dealer, was then mentioned, and the prisoner said "He is a creditor for over 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., I paid him very likely as much as 1, 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for borrowed money had at different times, between June 1873 and another date; 25 and 30 per cent. I was sometimes paying him at a time when I knew I was hopelessly insolvent. I continued borrowing money of Bradfield on the same terms. I can't say how much I borrowed of Bradfield; I kept no private book of account. I may have borrowed from first to last of Bradfield 2, 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; I won't swear to any amount, not even that it was more than 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. the expenses of advertising, & c., where property has not sold. There were a great many sales in two years; I cannot say how many. There were other sources of loss, bad debts; some are brought forward as assets, and some crossed off"—then the new offices and lease were touched upon "part paid for the lease, and part paid for the building"—Batten was mentioned "Had no interest in his business; borrowed no money of him; have paid him money for horse hire. I did not pay him so much as 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. He used to exchange cheques for me. He has not dined at my house; I lived at Ingleside the house is not furnished. There is not furniture in every room; in one room, a back one, there is none. The furniture now in the house is the same as it was before the sale; 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of furniture was given back to me by the trustee, Bradfield; Hart, a broker, purchased for Jay, the auctioneer who was acting for Mr. Bradfield, the trustee. I have an appointment bringing me in 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week; rent of Ingleside is 65
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year; I keep no servant; I consider I am living rent free; I am holding the house for the mortgage, simply taking possession of the house. The trustee has all books I kept; I had a kind of ledger, sale book, rough journal or cash book no other book. Monies received on account of customers were entered on separate memoranda. I did not know I was insolvent until Christmas, 1873; I found I was short of money in February, 1874. In June, 1873, I did believe I was solvent. I never made out any balance-sheet. April 25, 1874, re-sale of property in Cambridge shire. Mr. Rudd lives at Enfield"—then he was re-examined—those are all the notes I have—the re-examina
<lb/>tion was not taken down—Mr. Bignall appeared and asked leave to cross-examine the bankrupt, and I believe it was objected to—I have no recollec
<lb/>tion that he proceeded with any examination, and probably that is the reason I have taken nothing down.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> If he was re-examined not a word has been taken down—I believe Mr. Bignall appeared for the defendant; he also appeared for one of the creditors, and there were other people there—I have nothing to refresh my memory as to whether there were interpolations or questions by different solicitors—the words "hopelessly insolvent" might have been Mr. Lewis' words, but the bankrupt adopted them—the last examination was on the 22nd December, 1874—the application was made on February 6th, and the order was filed on February 9th—the examination had been adjourned then and the adjourned examination has never been held yet, because he was</p>
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<p>ordered to be prosecuted—I think Mr. Bignall offered to answer any requisi
<lb/>tion that might be made.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> After the examination an order was made on more than one occasion for him to file a cash account; the adjournment was to give him the opportunity of doing so—a further examination was of no use whatever without his filing a cash account; everything hinged on the cash account; requisitions were of no use till we got that—he simply said that he could not do so, because no accounts had been kept.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-113" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-113" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-113" type="surname" value="FLOWER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-113" type="given" value="GEORGE FREDERICK"/>GEORGE FREDERICK FLOWER</persName> </hi>. I am an auctioneer, of Southampton Build
<lb/>ings, Chancery Lane—I was not the original trustee, I was appointed trustee last October and saw the bankrupt about a fortnight afterwards—I had: received his books from the Edmonton Bankruptcy Court in his presence; a large number of them were of no use, with the exception of a cash-book and a ledger which was labeled "Day-book" and which was used as a sort of ledger—there are about forty-eight accounts in it, half of which commence in 1874—I sometimes find the debtor side on the right and sometimes on the left and sometimes the two are intermixed—on folio 1 4 the debtor account is on the right and the creditor on the left, and on folio 18 they are both on the same page—I also received a book called the day-book containing about 500 pages, it is not labelled "Day-book," but it appears to have been used as a day-book—it commences in 1872 and contains records of business up to May, 1874, during which time 11 pages only have been filled with the records of the business—I was not able to gain any information from the way in which the books were kept—this is the banker's pass-book and this is the sales-! book which commences in 1874—I also received a book of blank forms with counterfoils, apparently to be used to represent contracts for sales—one leaf of it has been torn out, but otherwise it has not been used at all—in conse
<lb/>quence of not being able to glean information from the books, I applied to him from time to time for a cash account and he told me that he would give it, but he never performed, and I applied to the Court to compel him—his explanation of the deficiency was that it arose from the illness of his first wife and that he had expended a great deal of money in advertisements which he could not charge his customers with—he delivered to me two banker's pass-books from which I found cheques payable to himself amounting to 210
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 13
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., wages to 282
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., expenses 85
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., less 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. rates and taxes 37
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; amounting altogether to 738
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in thirteen months—the 210
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is for "self," 280
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for "wages," and 85
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for "expenses"—I find the name of Bradfield occurring frequently in the pass-book, but not in any of the other books—I find no account in the sold ledger referring to Bradfield—the first entry relating to Bradfield in Barnett & Hoare's pass-book of 1873 is "10 June, Bradfield 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.," and on 19th June, I find Bradfield, 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and on 4th July 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 10th July 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 18th July 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 2nd August 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 23rd August 145
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and 2nd September 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. (I am in doubt whether the name there is Bradfield or Bradford), September 12th 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and Septem
<lb/>ber 20th 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., making in the three months 1, 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—that is deducting the 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on 2nd September—in 1874 the account commences on 4th January with 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., January 31st 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., February 10th 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., February 21st 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and February 24th 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; that is 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in one month—those amounts in a general way correspond with the actual deficiency—in addition to that Bradfield proved as a creditor for 550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. before my trusteeship, I find it on the proceedings.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The defendant said that he was perfectly willing to</p>
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<p>hand over every book he had got, and he handed over about twenty of all sorts and a lot of sale papers as well—I have not produced them, they only relate to sales that should have been entered in his books—I have left them at Chancery Lane—I have not seen a statement made out by Mr. Bignall—I did not ask for one because the papers were in my pos
<lb/>session—I have not known the prisoner long—he told me that his mis
<lb/>fortunes were chiefly owing to the very long illness of his first wife—I did not know her—he has a wife now and two children—I do not live at Edmonton—he told me that he had not kept a cash-book of his personal expenses—if he bought a cigar I should not expect to find it in his cash-book, but if he bought a box of cigars I should.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The sale papers were draft catalogues and printed papers which gave no information of the money he had received—many of the books handed to me were quite blank—I do not know whether his wife has taken proceedings against him in the Divorce Court.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-114" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-114" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-114" type="surname" value="BUTCHBR"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-114" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA BUTCHBR</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Major Butcher, we live at Waltham Abbey—the prisoner was introduced to me by Mr. Gardiner, his cousin, and in April, 1874, he and his wife called on us and the prisoner asked me if I would let him have a loan of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. as he required 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to make an; advance for a client of his to secure a large sale of freehold, leasehold, and copyhold at Cambridge, and if I would let him have 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., he had the rest by him—I said that I would let him have it if it was perfectly secure because it would reduce my income—he said that it was as safe as the Bank of England, and that the writings were in his iron chest, and he appealed to his wife to say if it was not so—she said "Yes"—I said that I could not let him have the money then as I should be obliged to sell out some stock—about three days after that his wife brought me this letter. (
<hi rend="italic">This was dated</hi> 16th
<hi rend="italic">April</hi>, 1874,
<hi rend="italic">from the prisoner to the witness, requesting her to let him have the</hi> 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">at once.</hi>) They afterwards came together for the money and he told me that he had just come from his brother Paul, who would let him have the money in a moment, only he had just been paying a large sum, and knowing them to be established people, I believed him—he repeated several times that the writings were in his iron chest—after that I let him have the money and took from him a bill of exchange—he said that he only required the money for a month, but Major Batcher said that it would be impossible to get the money in a month, and the bill had better be drawn for two months, which was done—it was dishonored and I have never got a penny—I afterwards let him have some furniture to sell for me which I had to spare—it realised about 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. but I never got a penny—I am now a creditor for 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I should not have parted with my money if I had not believed his statement.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> My husband is on the Continent and has been there about two months—the sale was supposed to realise 120
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and I was to have half—he said that it would produce more interest than it would in the bank—I was introduced to him I think two years before, but had never lent him money before—a week after he had received the loan he called again stating that his business was increasing and he thought he should take a partner, I said that I thought it was the best thing he could do—he said "It would be a fine thing for Major Butcher"—I said Major Butcher knows nothing about auctioneering, my husband was the last person I should have dreamt of—I did not suggest that he would not mind being a sleeping partner—the prisoner used to visit at our house before this but I only saw his wife twice—I may</p>
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<p>have said to the prisoner before this "Mr. Harding, you axe not looking well," but he did not say" I am short of money,"—he always represented himself as doing exceedingly well—the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. he wanted was for a client, he said that he invariably lost his best sales in consequence of not being able to make advances—Mr. Paul being his brother—n-law confirmed my con
<lb/>dence in him—I cannot say whether I should have lent the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if he bad not said that—I lent it to him upon the faith that I was going to get more interest than I got in the bank—I put the bill of exchange into my chest—I did not give it to the Major—I don't know whether I tried to get it dis
<lb/>counted—I have a separate estate, my brother is my trustee—I have put my name down in the schedule for 525
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—that was from the prisoner's statement that the furniture only realised 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—my trustee sued him on the bill of exchange and I suppose got judgment against him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I left my attorney to take what proceedings he thought right—the cheque was signed in my name—I do not know what" endorsing" means—I would not have lent the prisoner the money except upon the faith of his statement that he had the deeds.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-115" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-115" type="surname" value="FLOWER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-115" type="given" value="GEORGE FREDERICK"/>GEORGE FREDERICK FLOWER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I was present at the prisoner's examination at the Bankruptcy Court—he said that the estate was in Cambridgeshire, he never disclosed the name of the owner but he mentioned the name of the person he was negotiating with—I think it was Mr. Rudd—negotiating to sell for Rudd, but Rudd was not the owner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-116" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-116" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-116" type="surname" value="RUDD"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-116" type="given" value="JOHN MANNING"/>JOHN MANNING RUDD</persName> </hi>. I am manager to the ordnance factory of small arms, Enfield, and am entitled to an estate at March in the Isle of Ely—Messrs. Lewis of Southampton Street, Strand, are solicitors in the matter—five or six months ago the prisoner made a proposal, to raise 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to redeem a mortgage of mine prior to selling the estate, I did not put him in possession of the title deeds or give him any authority to sell the estate—he never told me that had received 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and that he had the other 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. ready to pay.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-117" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-117" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-117" type="surname" value="BEHREND"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-117" type="given" value="SAMUEL HESSIE"/>SAMUEL HESSIE BEHREND</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor—I do not know this estate, but I know of it; it is at present held in two moieties; the title deeds to the entirety are I am informed are in the hands of some bankers at New-market—I have been there a great number of years, but I never saw them—the title deeds of the moiety to which my client is entitled 1 have never seen; she takes under a will—I believe Messrs. Lewis have some deeds; I have none, and never had any—I have never instructed the prisoner to sell her moiety; she is a lunatic; nor have I received from him money raised by him on that estate on behalf of my client's moiety.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-118" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-118" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-118" type="surname" value="LEWIS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-118" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS LEWIS</persName> </hi>. I am one of the firm of Lewis & Co., solicitors, of Southampton Street, Strand—Mr. Rudd is interested in one moiety of some property at March, and my client is the mortgagee—I did not ask the prisoner to sell, nor have I received the money;, 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is about the value of the whole; 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 26
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year.</p>
<p>----Petard. I am solicitor to the London Permanent Building Society—I produce a mortgage of the prisoner's leasehold residence at Edmonton—I saw the deed executed by him on the 21st June, 1874—I gave him a cheque on that day for 185
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 13
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and a further sum of "100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on 18th June.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The advance was to be 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., but the house was not finished, and 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was retained by the Society until it was finished and the surveyor reported that certain repairs were done—I do not know how much</p>
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<p>was to be laid out on the premises—I never saw the house; I only know what my instructions were—the house would become more valuable when the repairs were done—the outlay is not in the mortgage—I assume that the house was finished to the satisfaction of the surveyor, or the prisoner would not have had the 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I no not know whether the house had been completed before the mortgage—we reserved the 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. that our surveyor might have an opportunity of seeing whether the house was finished; it was only a question of value.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that there was no case to go to the Jury on any of the Counts, there being no evidence of non-accounting except as to the</hi> 2, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.,
<hi rend="italic">which might have been absorbed in his trade and family expenses, or that he had not delivered up what property he had; that his statement as to an estate in Cam-bridgeshire and his possession of the deeds had not been negative; that the efforts made by him to obtain money to avoid bankruptcy ought not to be construed into an intent to defraud, and as he had not passed his final examination he had not had the opportunity of fully explaining his affairs.</hi> Mr. Metcalfe
<hi rend="italic">contended that it was a case for the Jury, and</hi> the Court
<hi rend="italic">left the case to the Jury on the first and third counts.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">on the first and third counts—Judgment respited.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<p>329.
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<interp inst="t18750503-329-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="mail"/>, Stealing whilst employed in the post-office a post letter, containing a box and two earrings, the property of
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METGALFE</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLADE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-121" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-121" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-121" type="surname" value="BAKER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-121" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE BAKER</persName> </hi>. I am in the service of a lady who lives in Holborn—on 26th April, I put a pair of earrings into a card box with a small note and some wadding, sealed it up in a sheet of paper, addressed "Mrs. Crow
<lb/>hurst, 19, Hanover Street, Lupus Street, Pimlico," and gave it to the porter to post, between 2 and 3 o'clock in the afternoon—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are the note, earrings, box, and envelope which is in my writing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-122" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-122" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-122" type="given" value="ALEXANDER"/>ALEXANDER CLARKE</persName> </hi>. I am porter to Mr. Bodgers, of High Holborn—I posted this packet on 26th April, about 2 p.m.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-123" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN CROWHURST</persName> </hi>. I live at Hanover Street, Lupus Street—I did not receive this packet.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-124" type="given" value="THOMAS JOHN"/>THOMAS JOHN HARRIS</persName> </hi>. I am assistant letter carrier at Churton Street. Office, which is seven minutes' walk from Lupus Street—on 28th April, about 10.45 I saw a letter bag lying on the stamping table—I emptied it out and this pair of earrings came out, and this box and these three letters (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I immediately communicated with Mr. Alley—the prisoner afterwards came, took away the bag and put it by his side—he was arranging the letters which he was going to deliver—two of these letters are addressed to Lupus Street, and one to Rutland Street.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I did not take the bag from the stamping table.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I am positive you did; I saw you do it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-125" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-125" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-125" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM ALLEY</persName> </hi>. I was acting overseer at Churton Street Post Office, on this morning—the prisoner was a letter carrier—his district was Lupus Street—on 28th April, at 10.55 a.m., Harris took up a bag which was on the stamping table—it contained three letters, a box, a small piece of paper and some earrings—I took the letters and box away, and told him to put the bag back, and immediately afterwards the prisoner came and took it to his seat—it was a bag which I had lent to the prisoner a month or five weeks before as he had lost his own—I know it; it has his initials</p>
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<p>on it—I allowed him to arrange his letters and then asked him if he could account for these letters—he said "No"—I asked him how the letters and earrings came into his bag; he said "I don't know"—I told him he would have to go with me to the S. W. district and explain to the postmaster—this envelope addressed to. Mrs. Crowhurst, bears the W. C. post mark 3 o'clock on Monday the 26th, and S. W. of the same-date but later—if that had been posted at 2 o'clock in Holborn, it would have come to Churton Street Office, between 5 and 6 o'clock, and would have been sorted to the prisoner for delivery and he would have delivered it between 6 and 7 o'clock—these three letters are marked "Southampton, April 26th;" "S. W., April '27th;" "Wallington, April 26th;" "S. W., April 27th;" and "High Wycombe, April 26th;" "S. W., April 27th."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I was standing at the end of the table when Harris turned the bag out, and I made towards him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-126" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-126" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-126" type="surname" value="STEVENS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-126" type="given" value="CHARLES JAMES"/>CHARLES JAMES STEVENS</persName> </hi>. I am attached to the missing letter branch of the post-office—on 28th April my attention was called to this matter, and I went with Moore to the S.W. office and saw the prisoner—I said "I have been informed that letters were found in your bag, how do you account for not delivering them?"—he said "I know nothing about them"—I drew his attention to the cardboard box, and earrings, and said "How do you account for these being in your possession?"—he said "I know nothing about them"—I directed Moore to search him, and saw him take this envelope from his pocket addressed to Mrs. Crowhurst—he said that he knew nothing about it—he was given in custody.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-127" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-127" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-127" type="surname" value="MOORE"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-127" type="given" value="MATTHEW"/>MATTHEW MOORE</persName> </hi>. I searched the prisoner and found this envelope in his coat tail pocket.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> Everything has to be turned out of this bag on to the table, and I should have been sure to be found out if I had placed them there. We have very often loose wrappers. I had one in my pocket at the time, but they make no mention of that. If I wished to steal the ear
<lb/>rings I should not have left them for a day and a half in the office.</p>
<p>T. J.
<hi rend="smallCaps">HARRIS</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I emptied the bag because I thought it was a collection, and that it ought to be emptied out—the bags are not necessarily emptied out because they are laid there, but I mistook it for a collection.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750503-329-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, May</hi> 4
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<p>330.
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<hi rend="largeCaps">RICHARD BROWNING</hi> (65)</persName>,
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES HARRISON BARKER</hi> (61)</persName>,
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">SAMUEL JACOBS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">alias</hi>
<rs id="t18750503-alias-1" type="alias">
<join result="nameAlias" targOrder="Y" targets="def3-330-18750503 t18750503-alias-1"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">REYNOLDS</hi> </rs> (66)</persName>
<rs id="t18750503-330-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-330-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-330-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/>, Unlawfully obtaining. large quantities of ironmongery from
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-131" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-131" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-131" type="occupation" value="ironmonger"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750503-330-offence-1 t18750503-name-131"/>William Graham</persName> by false pretences, and other goods from other persons.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BULWER</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BEASLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. B. KELLY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Barker.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-132" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-132" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-132" type="surname" value="WELLMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-132" type="given" value="JOHN RICHARD"/>JOHN RICHARD WELLMAN</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the employ of Messrs. Graham & Sons, of Trigg Lane, iron merchants—in December the prisoner Browning came to know our terms of selling iron—he gave the name of Richard Browning—he showed me an order for wrought iron tubes, and then he asked what our price and terms would be—I said our terms were for cash, and if credit, two satisfactory references would be required—he said "Very well," and went away—he came again about</p>
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<p>two days afterwards, and brought as references Mr. Charles Barker, of Chalcott Crescent, and Mr. Reynolds, of Victoria Road, Peckham—I wrote to those addresses—I received this letter from Mr. Samuel Reynolds. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "31, Victoria Road, Peckham, December 3rd, 1874. Sirs,—Yours received, respecting Mr. Richard Browning of 3, Stacey Terrace, Peckham, I beg to say I have known him several years when I have had many trans
<lb/>actions. I always found him prompt in his payments and engagements with me; I consider him a safe person to do business with, and trustworthy, say up to 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I am, yours obediently, Samuel Reynolds.") This is the answer I received from Mr. Charles Barker. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: 24, Chalcott Crescent, December 2nd, 1874. Gentlemen,—in answer to your letter respecting Mr. Richard Browning, of Peckham, I have known him many years, he is a most respectable man; I consider him most trustworthy, should have no objection, should he require it, to trust him 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Yours in confidence, C. Barker.") Browning called the following day and wished to know whether the references were satisfactory—I told him Mr. Graham had consented to give him credit—when he gave Mr. Barker as a reference, he said he was a gentleman living in a fine house and worth thousands of pounds—he also said "I am a retired publican, and have just sold my business for 6, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—he gave me his address on the first occasion as 3, Stacey Terrace, Peckham—I first supplied him with goods on 9th December, to the amount of 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—a cart came and fetched the goods away, and they were delivered to a person who signed for Browning—on the 18th I supplied goods to the. amount 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—the whole amount of goods supplied was 151
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., consisting of boiler tubes of different classes, gutters, pipes, stoves, ranges and such things—those goods were taken away from time to time in the same manner—he came again in January and brought a further order which I declined to execute until the goods which had been already delivered were paid for—he did not have the goods then—a day or two afterwards he brought this bill dated 18th January, drawn by Browning, and accepted by, Charles Barker payable to us for 151
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he said it was the same Barker whom he had referred us to—I took that bill and believed it to be genuine—he asked if he could have the goods that he wanted before, and he had them on the 20th January—they amounted to 13
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—we delivered further goods to the amount of about 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., making altogether 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of goods delivered—about 10th February he brought or sent another order which I declined to execute until the bill was paid—the bill passed through the banker's but was not paid—I did not present it myself—there is an endorsement on it "Gone away"—the matter was then placed in the hands' of the police—I communicated to Mr. Graham what had happened—we have never been paid for any portion of the goods.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> You might have said you could give me lots of references, but I only took down two—I told you two were sufficient—the goods were all sent for by a strange van—you might have asked our foreman if he knew a carman; you did not ask me—you gave me a paper with the order written on it, but there was no name written on it—when you gave me the order for the bar iron about a month afterwards that had King
<lb/>well's name on it, and you spoke about Kingwell being the coach maker to the Queen and the Prince of Wales, as though it was for him—you did not tell me that King well would not receive it as the price was too much—you may have said that Kingwell would not take it, and I might have said rather than you should lose by it we would take it buck again, I should do it to all our</p>
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<p>customers—you did not tell me distinctly that Kingwell would not have it—you mentioned his name but you did not say the goods were for him—you told me that the guttering was for Frazer and you sent his letter so that I mightknow—you brought the order, and Frazer came for the goods—there was no secrecy about it—they were taken away in a strange cart—I did not see the carman—they were signed for by "Predice," who he is I don't know—our usual terms of credit are one month and three months—we don't give six months' credit—we did not supply the iron, we gave an order—I might have asked you to keep the order back—I might have said "If the iron is taken away on 31st December we shall have to pay for that in the December account, but if it is bought on the 1st January we shall get six mouths more"—you might have told me you had been a publican for thirty years and had had fourteen or fifteen houses, I don't recollect that you did, or that you said you had began building, and had built in Barking Road—I never saw either of the other prisoners before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> I did not go to the house in Victoria Road—I only know there was such a man as Reynolds by the letter that I received.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-133" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-133" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-133" type="surname" value="GRAHAM"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-133" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GRAHAM</persName> </hi>. I trade as Graham & Sons at Trigg Lane—the last witness is my clerk—I recollect goods being supplied to Browning in December—Mr. Wellman consulted me about them—those goods were not supplied entirely from our house, but with my sanction—from information I received subsequently I went to the premises of a man named Usher, an iron merchant and dealer in old iron—I found about 12 tons of iron, but I was not able to identify that personally—some of it was marked with the mark of the manu
<lb/>facturer and of Messrs. Miles, Gould & Co.—it corresponded exactly with the sizes we supplied—I did not go to either of the houses to which we got references.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> I am not aware that I ever spoke to you—I am sure the iron I found at Usher's was what we had delivered—we found about 6 tons and took it away and we left a few tons there with directions that it should not be touched—Messrs. Miles, Gould's man recognised it and I recognised some, a great deal of it was marked with the maker's brand "M. G. D. & Co."—I went to Kingwell's the coachmaker's in St. Martin's Lane—I found nothing there—I went to see if there was anything because I heard from the detective that some iron had gone there—I think Mr. Rose was the informant—my clerk did not mention Kingwell's name to me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> I did not go to Victoria Road—I never saw. Reynolds and I don't know whether he lived there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-134" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-134" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-134" type="surname" value="VISING"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-134" type="given" value="ISAAC"/>ISAAC VISING</persName> </hi>. I am a carman in the employment of. Mr. Maggs, of Dowgate Hill—early in January I saw Browning on Dowgate Hill close to my master's office, and I went with him to the premises of Miles, Gould & Co., and loaded about three tons of iron, which I took to Mr. Usher's, in Old Street—Browning told me to take it there and went with me—I left it there—I went there twice and took a little over six tons altogether, all at Browning's request.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-135" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-135" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-135" type="surname" value="MARSHALL"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-135" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES MARSHALL</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Miles, Gould, Druce & Co, 29, Upper Thames Street—we supplied by Mr. Graham's order a certain class of iron goods to Browning—I went to Usher's place afterwards and found the iron there—there was about 11 or 12 tons, I should think—it is worth about 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. per ton.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> I did not find the whole of the iron there that</p>
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<p>was supplied to you—we supplied 11 or 12 tons altogether, I think—we found about 12 tons there altogether—I identified about 7 or 8 tons out of the 12 that we supplied—I recognised it from the brand and also by our porter's chalk mark on it—a maker may make for hundreds of people and put the same mark on—I don't know that he only makes for us.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> P. Williams & Son, of Tipton, are the manufacturers of this iron and they supply us—we are their agents in London—I don't think there are any other London agents—the chalk mark was made in my presence by one of the men—I saw those bars at Usher's premises and they were the same sizes.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-136" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-136" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-136" type="surname" value="PAT"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-136" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PAT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Inspector</hi>). On 18th March I was engaged in finding out some things that had taken place up at Chelsea, and on that occasion I went with Sergeants Morgan and Gibbs to 25, Quadrant Grove; Gibbs went there rather before us—as we approached the house we met Gibbs with Barker in custody, who gave the name of Charles Harrison Barker—Gibbs handed him over to Morgan, and I went with Gibbs to the house—I saw a person there who said she was Mrs. Harrison—we got into the house and saw another woman, who said she was Mrs. Browning—I went upstairs and found Richard Browning in bed—I said "Browning, there is a warrant for your apprehension in the City; you must get up and go with me"—he said "All right, don't make any disturbance, I will go with you; I know what it is about, it is about Graham's affair, about the iron"—I had known him before, and addressed him as Browning—I had known him by the name of Bradshaw, and several other
<hi rend="italic">aliases</hi>—he said "I believe I have been put away by either Mumford or Jacobs"—I might say Mumford is a regular swindler—I don't know where he lives now—he did live at Stacey Terrace—that is the address which Browning gave at Peckham—I had known Jacobs by a great number of names—I knew him by the name of Reynolds—I found this envelope on the bed where Browning was—it is addressed "Mr. R. P. Tebb, 83, Lombard Street, E.C."—I told Gibbs to detain Browning in the room while I searched a portion of the house—I found this letter written by Mr. Tebb. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "83, Lombard Street, 17th March, 1875. Dear Sir,—Mr. Thomas Williams, of 2, Trafalgar Villas, Old Kent Road, having applied to me to rent a house 26
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum, has referred me to you as to his respectability, and whether you consider him a desirable tenant. I enclose stamped envelope for reply.") I showed that letter to Browning, and he said that Barker had shortly before brought it up to him—Barker was living there in the name of Harrison—I. took Browning in custody and went with him from the house—as we were leaving he asked me where Harrison was—I said "If you mean Barker he, is at Albany Street Police Station"—a conversation ensued between me and the sergeant as to one going to 24, Chalcott Crescent and one going to the police-station—Browning said "I can take you a near cut through Maitland Park towards Barker's place"—I went with Browning to the station, and sent Gibbs off to Chalcott Crescent—he came back to the station with the landlady—Barker was put among a number of other people, and she pointed him out as the person who had lodged at 24, Chalcott Crescent—Barker said "That is very little use, as I don't deny that I resided at 24, Chalcott Crescent"—on the way to the station with Browning I showed him a news
<lb/>paper in which there appeared an account of some examination of Mr. Usher at the Police Court, Worship Street, in which it stated that persons of the name of Barker and Browning had been mixed up in some swindling</p>
<xptr type="pageFacsimile" doc="187505030037"/>
<p>transactions—he said "I don't know how it is I should be called upon to sign a receipt for 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. by Usher, I shall
<hi rend="italic">round</hi> on the lot of them."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> I knew you in the name of Bradshaw at the East End of London—it was not that you were a partner in the firm of Bradshaw & Co., iron founders at Lambeth—we were talking about cabs when you suggested going across Maitland Park—I think the nearest cab
<lb/>stand is close to Chalcott Crescent—you said that was the nearest place to get a cab—I did not say I knew you by a great many names—I am not aware that I said "Bradshaw and several other aliases"—I have known you as Charles Browning, Benjamin Browning, and Benjamin Bradshaw—you told me how the letter came on your bed—it was a large house I took you from, of twelve or fourteen rooms—you had a part of the house.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi> Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RIBTON</hi>. I saw a woman who said she was Mrs. Harrison—I don't know how long Browning had been there—Mrs. Browning said they had only been there a short time and had taken apartments there, and that is all I can say.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> I did not see you till you were at the Bow Lane station—I believe I have seen you before at Petwell Street, Camberwell—I have made enquiries, and I have gained a description of you in the name of Reynolds at 31 Victoria Road, Peckham—there are a great many Jacobs in London—I can't say that Browning meant you when he said that he had been
<hi rend="italic">put away</hi> by Jacobs or Mumford, but I have every reason to believe he did.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-137" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-137" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-137" type="surname" value="GIBBS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-137" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL GIBBS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Sergeant</hi>). On the morning of 18th March I was at the top of Quadrant Grove—I saw Barker leave No. 25 about 9.30—I followed him into Maldon Road and Queen Square and eventually spoke to him—I asked him if his name was Charles Barker—he said "That is not my name"—I asked him if he lived at 25, Quadrant Grove—he said "Yes, I live there, my name is Harrison"—I asked him if he ever lived at 24, Chalcott Crescent, Regent's Park—he said "Yes, I did live there"—I told him I was a police officer and I should arrest him on a charge of conspiracy with J. Baxter & Co., 25, George Street, Chelsea, to defraud various people of their goods—he asked me to show him the warrant—I told him I had not it with me, but he could see it at the station—he said that he never knew such a person as Baxter—on the way to the station I met Inspector Pay and Sergeant Morgan and I handed him over to Morgan and went with Pay to 25, Quadrant Grove, where Browning was apprehended—I saw the two women—I searched Barker's sitting room and found' several documents there, and also in the kitchen—Browning's wife told me in his presence that no other persons lived in the house but Browning and Barker—I found this letter on the mantelpiece in the kitchen. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: 12, Nile Terrace, March 16th. Dear Sir,—Will you
<hi rend="italic">let</hi> me know by return what you said to Mr. Tebb about the house as I quite forget what you told me. I have given you in as reference for some beer at fourteen days'. You are my land
<lb/>lord for six years; they are country brewers and will write. Please answer reference for me for a house. My name will be Charles Clarke in the woollen trade doing the town business for my brother at Leeds. Wife and two daughters, living as above nine months. I formerly occu
<lb/>pied a house of yours for six years at Hatcham. I left on account of your selling the property. I paid you 26
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum. I must hear all I can to-morrow. I could see you in the City on Saturday at the Cooper's Arms at 10 o'clock if in time. Yours, Samuel Collier.") I also found another</p>
<xptr type="pageFacsimile" doc="187505030040"/>
<p>letter to the same effect—Browning was then taken to Albany Street station by Inspector Pay, and I went to 23, Chalcott Crescent and saw Mr. Hamsel, the landlord of 23, who accompanied me to the police-station and identified Barker as the man living at 24, Chalcott Crescent—Pay was also engaged in searching, and during that time Browning said he was
<hi rend="italic">put away</hi> as he had been
<hi rend="italic">put away</hi> previously by Bristowe and had done two years—he did not say what about—when he was near Worship Street Police Court one Monday (I can't recollect the date now) previous to his apprehension, he said that he saw Usher, and he did say whether he was the elder or the younger, and he was very near tipsy and they asked him to sign a receipt and they would give him 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., but he did not do it—on 2nd April I saw Jacobs in Trafalgar road and followed him—I asked him if his name was Samuel Reynolds—he hesitated a little, looked me in the face and said "No, my name is not Reynolds"—I asked him if he lived at 31, Victoria Road, Peck
<lb/>ham—he said "No, I never lived there"—I asked him if he lived at 12, Nile Terrace—he said "No"—I told him I was a police-officer and should take him in custody for conspiring with Browning and Barker to defraud Messrs. Graham of 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of iron—he said "I don't know Barker and Browning, neither do I know Messrs. Graham"—I took him to Bow Lane Police Station and handed him over to Detective Outram, who held the warrant.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs</hi>: You declined to give your name at first, but you ultimately gave it to the inspector and you gave your address after you had been there about an hour and a half—I went there and saw your wife—that was at 2, Trafalgar Villas.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-138" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-138" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-138" type="surname" value="MORGAN"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-138" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL MORGAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Sergeant</hi>). On 18th March, I received Barker from Sergeant Gibbs, and took him to Albany Street Police Station—while he was there Inspector Pay and Sergeant Gibbs brought in Browning, who nodded his head in a familiar manner expressing his surprise to Barker—from the expression I thought they were acquainted with each other—I then said to Barker "Do you know that man," pointing to Browning—he said "Yes"—I asked him what his name was—he said "His name is Smith. He has lodged in" my house with his wife Tory about a month. I know nothing of him"—Barker was then near the fire at the end of the room—I noticed him tearing some papers in his pocket and took possession of them—I produce them—as I took them from him he said "Be very careful with those papers, they are of great importance to me, they are communications between me and my solicitor"—I looked at them, some were addressed "Charles Harrison, 25, Quadrant Grove," and others "Charles Barker, 24, Chalcott Crescent, Regent's Park"—I asked him what his name was—he said "Harrison"—I said "The papers are not all addressed in the name of Harrison, some are addressed Barker"—he said "Yes, my correct name is Charles Harrison Barker. I only lodged a few nights at Chalcott Crescent, and had my letters addressed there"—I found in his pocket-book an acceptance for 14
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., or 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in the name of George Foreman—he asked me several times what was the nature of the charge—I told him I did not know exactly till I saw Mr. Pay—he said "Well, about Baxter, I know nothing about Baxter; I never gave a reference to Baxter or any other person in my life"—he told me he was a skin dealer in the City—I asked if he could give me the address—he said "No"—he should decline to, he should not held any further conversation with me.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-139" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-139" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-139" type="surname" value="LITTLECHILD"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-139" type="given" value="JOHN GEORGE"/>JOHN GEORGE LITTLECHILD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective</hi>). I have known Jacobs about four years—Jacobs is his proper name—I have known him as Dale Banks, Butler and others, which I can't call to mind—he has gone by the name of Samuel Collier—I don't know who lived at 3, Stacey Terrace, the address that Browning gave—I have seen Jacobs write and have seen a deal of his writing—this letter signed Samuel Collier, from 12 Nile Terrace, is in his writing—also the letter dated 3rd December, 18.73, signed Samuel Rey
<lb/>nolds, the answer to the reference given by Browning.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> I have known you by the name of Samuel Collier, since this transaction, by the comparison of documents—I never spoke to you by that name—I swear to the writing being, yours.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-140" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-140" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-140" type="surname" value="OUTRAM"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-140" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT OUTRAM</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi>). I received, warrants to apprehend the prisoners in February—I went to Stacey Terrace to look after Browning; I did not find him there; the house was occupied by a man named Mumford—I went to 31, Victoria Road, Peckham, and found the house was empty—I went to look after Barker at 24, Chalcott Crescent, and found" that house to be empty—I received Browning and Barker in custody on the 18th March from Inspector Pay—I was present when the warrant was read to them—Browning said "Yes, I had the iron from. Mr. Graham's"—Barker said "I have never been to Mr. Graham's, if any one has forged my name I can't help it"—nothing had been said about a reference then—on the following day I took Browning from Bow Lane station to the Mansion House—he told me then he had taken the iron to Usher's and that on mentioning a date Usher had offered him 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to make out a bill that he had purchased the iron of him at 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. per ton all round and that he. Told Usher he would see him d-first, because some of it was invoiced to him at about 14
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a ton—on the 2nd April I received Reynolds or Jacobs from-Sergeant Gibbs—he was named in the warrant as Samuel Reynolds, otherwise Collier—I said "Samuel Reynolds"—he said. "That is. not' my name"—I said "Samuel Collier"—he said." That is not my name"—I said "What might your name be?"—he said "You are not a proper person to give it to, I will give it to the Lord Mayor"—after some time, when a gentleman had identified him, he gave the name of Samuel Jacobs, 2, Trafalgar Villas, Trafalgar Road, Peckham—I went there with Sergeant Gibbs and saw "a. person who said she was his wife—I found this assessment paper addressed to Mr. Thomas Collier and a brewer's bill in the name of Reynolds and the leaf of "a. copy-book in the name of Miss Reynolds—I had seen Usher previously.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> You repeated several times that Usher had offered you 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for an invoice—you told me what you had "really received from Usher for the iron; I think, it was more, than 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., it might have been 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—you did not say it was warehoused there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-141" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-141" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-141" type="surname" value="CHEER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-141" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY CHEER</persName> </hi>. I live at 24, Woodstock Road, Notting Hill—am agent. for the landlord of 24, Chalcott Crescent—I believe it is unoccupied now—it was let to a person named Barker—some one called upon me first and repre
<lb/>sented himself to be Charles Barker—could not swear to the identity of that person and I said so before the Lord Mayor—it was a very short inter
<lb/>view and my memory is rather defective—it was let a little before the September quarter to a person giving that name-we did not get any rent—a broker was employed to make a distraint and he found no goods on the premises.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. It was occupied by a person, named Barker for just over three months—I never went to the house, so I can't</p>
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<p>say that it was in a very bad state of repair—I know that the occupier represented that he could not stay in it because it was in such a bad state—Mr. Cutting is the owner—it is my duty to receive the rent and look after the property.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-142" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-142" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-142" type="surname" value="CHAMBERS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-142" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>. I live at Clapham Park, Clapham—I let the house 31, Victoria Road, Peckham, on the 29th September, 1874, to a person named Hewitt—I received references from him, but I did not apply to them—I don't know Reynolds as the occupier of the house or in any way connected with it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-143" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-143" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-143" type="surname" value="TOPHAM"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-143" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM TOPHAM</persName> </hi>. I am a glue merchant of Wilson Street, Finsbury—I know Browning and Barker—I saw Browning at my warehouse in February.—he produced a card with "D. Wood, 27, Adair Street, Kensal Green" on it—he handed the card to my boy: I was not in at the time—he came again the next day—I took him for Mr. Wood, and said "Are you the gentleman who left the card yesterday?"—he said "Yes"—he said that he was a retired innkeeper, that he had an income of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and to fill up his time he occasionally sold glue to cabinet-makers and coach-makers—the card had on it "Cabinet-makers, builders and coach-makers supplied with glue, & c., of every description. Terms, monthly"—he proposed that I should let him have a few samples, of glue to see what he could do with them, and eventually he wanted, me to supply him with a ton, the value of which was 63
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said he would pay me 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. cash when he got the goods and the, remainder. by a bill at one month—I required another name attached to the bill as an endorser, and he gave me the name of Mr. Harrison, 25, Quadrant Grove, Kentish Town—I went there and saw Mr. Harrison; Barker is the man—I told him that Mr. Wood had referred me to him, and I wished to know whether he would endorse. Mr. Wood's bill—he said oh, yes he would; he knew him to be a very respectable man, a retired innkeeper, a man of property, and he had no objection to endorse a bill for that amount for him—Browning called again the same afternoon and asked me whether I had been, to see Mr. Harrison—I said I had—I told him that Mr. Harrison might be a very respectable man, but he was not in business, and I should prefer him to give me the name of some man in business to endorse the bill—he said he would give me other names if I. desired them, and he subsequently gave me the name of Taplin—I did not make inquires about him, because I was satisfied it was not
<hi rend="italic">bond fide</hi>, and I parted with no glue.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> I addressed you as Mr. Wood—you asked me the terms, and I told you—you did not say Mr. Wood would have no objection to pay 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—you said "I shall have no objection to give you 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to-morrow, and if you go to Mr. Harrison he will endorse my bill"—you certainly represented yourself to me as Mr. Wood.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi> Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RIBTON</hi>. I only had one interview with Barker—I mentioned Mr. Wood's name to him—I had not the card with me—I don't know that there is a Mr. Wood living at Ramsgate who is connected: with Barker—I told Barker I had been referred to him by Mr. Wood, of Kensal Green, and would he endorse his bill for 40
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I have not inquired at 27, Adair Road myself, but I did through a commercial enquiry establish
<lb/>ment, and that was enough for me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-144" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-144" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-144" type="surname" value="RUST"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-144" type="given" value="WILLIAM BANKS"/>WILLIAM BANKS RUST</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to the official short-hand writer to the Court of Bankruptcy—I attended the meeting in the bankruptcy of Joseph Wood, of Ramsgate, an upholsterer—I think there were two days:'</p>
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<p>examination—Charles Barker was examined on the first day, and on the second day a man calling himself Richard Browning and Samuel Collier were examined—I can almost recognise Browning, but I should not like to swear positively to him—I don't recognise Collier at all—Barker gave evidence on both occasions—Collier gave his address 12, Mill Terrace, Old Kent Road—Richard Browning gave 54, Regina Road, Tollington Park, and Barker 24, Chalcott Crescent, Primrose Hill—Browning and Collier were called by Barker as his witnesses—he claimed some furniture of a house in Ramsgate which was in possession of the trustees of Joseph Wood, a bankrupt.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> I said before the Lord Mayor I would not swear to you—I said I had not much doubt, but I could not swear positively.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">RIBTON</hi>. I don't remember the date of Wood's bank
<lb/>ruptcy—the examinations were on 11th December, 1874, and 29th January, 1875—Wood appeared and was examined—I can't tell you the amount of Barker's claim, it was on furniture which was in some house at Ramsgate, and which he claimed as his—I don't think it has ended yet—the value of the furniture was not stated.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-145" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-145" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-145" type="surname" value="STUBBS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-145" type="given" value="WILLIAM THOMAS"/>WILLIAM THOMAS STUBBS</persName> </hi>. I Jive at Myra Grove, Finchley, and am the landlord of 12, Nile Terrace, Old Kent Road—I let it in December last to Jacobs under the name of Collier; he has possession of it now—this the letter I had from him when he applied for the house, it is dated 15th De
<lb/>cember, 1874, from 12, Grange Road, Dalston, and states "I refer you to Mr. Charles Barker of 24, Chalcott-Crescent, Primrose Hill, my late land
<lb/>lord of whom.I rented a house six years at 28
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum, and left in con
<lb/>sequence of his disposing of the property."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> I made application for rent a
<hi rend="italic">few</hi> days after the March quarter, but I could get no reply at the house—there was some one in the house, but the bulk of the furniture, had been removed—it was re
<lb/>moved the same morning that I attended the Mansion House to give evidence in this case—I don't recollect the date.</p>
<p>J. J.
<hi rend="smallCaps">LITTLECHILD</hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). This letter produced Mr. Stubbs' is in Jacobs' writing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-146" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-146" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-146" type="surname" value="DENNISON"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-146" type="given" value="WILLIAM,"/>WILLIAM, DENNISON</persName> </hi>. I am, a fringe manufacturer of Bartholomew Close—my cousin is the owner of 2, Trafalgar Villas, Trafalgar Road—I witnessed this agreement for letting that house to Samuel. Collier, of Victoria Road, Peckham—Jacobs is the man who signed that agreement—he gave references and these letters U and V are the answers, one is signed by Charles Barker, Chalcott Crescent, Regent's Park, and the other E. Hewitt, 31, Victoria Road, Peckham.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> The agreement is. dated 23rd December, but you did not come in for a month after that, I believe your excuse was that you had been laid, up through-attending, the Bankruptcy Court.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-147" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-147" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-147" type="surname" value="NOKES"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-147" type="given" value="RICHARD CUTHBERT"/>RICHARD CUTHBERT NOKES</persName> </hi>. I am a tea dealer at Little Trinity Lane, City—I know Browning and Barker—about 23rd or 25th November Brown
<lb/>ing came in and said he had been recommended to our house and gave an order for some tea which came to 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he did not pay for it at that time—he gave as a reference Mr. Charles Barker of. Chalcott Crescent, Regent's Park—before I let him have the tea I made enquiries—I went to the house, Mr. Barker was not at home, but I found that he lived, there—Browning called the next day and I let him have the tea—he afterwards paid for it—</p>
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<p>a few days after he came again and ordered a small amount of tea and some sugar—I eventually let him have goods and fruit amounting to 52
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—on the oc
<lb/>casino of the second order I told Browning that for such an amount of goods it was necessary I should have cash or some security for the payment espe
<lb/>cially as I had not much to do with fruit, and if I supplied him with the fruit he required I should have to give my cheque for it, and I should require payment at a certain date—he said "I will bring this gentleman Mr. Barker who will no doubt accept two bills for me"—he told me that Barker was a; gentleman who had retired from business, and owned several houses in the neighbourhood of Primrose Hill—he brought Barker to my place, and these two bills of exchange were given to me—I drew them, Browning accepted them, and Barker endorsed them in my presence—I saw him write his name on both the bills—they had the goods—I presented the bills at maturity but have received no money on them—the amount of the bills was 42
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> You gave orders for goods amounting to that sum—the bills are dated 16th December, and were payable eight weeks after date at my bankers'—you asked me where they should be made payable, and I said "Either here or at the bankers'; if they are made payable at the bankers' you will have to come here to pay the money or pay it into the bank"—I don't know Mr. Isaacs, a monisy-changer, at all.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-148" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-148" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-148" type="surname" value="OSBORN"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-148" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN OSBORN</persName> </hi>. I live at Oxford Market, and have the letting of the shops there—on 26th November I let a shop, No. 6, in the market to Browning, who gave the name of Henry Byrne, 24, Chalcott Crescent Regent's Park—an agreement was entered into—he gave me two references which are on that paper, "Refer to Mr. Reynolds, hay salesman, 31, Vic
<lb/>toria Road, Peckham; also, Mr. W. Kelly, 54, Regina Road, Tollington Park, Holloway"—our people in the office applied to those references and had very satisfactory answers—this was one—"Dear Sir, In reply to your enquiry respecting Mr. H. Byrnes, I beg to state he held a house of mine at Barnet fourteen or fifteen years; I regularly received my rent, 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum, and I believe him to be a responsible man, and make no doubt you will find him a desirable tenant. Yours obediently, Samuel Reynolds"—I did not find him a desirable tenant—goods came to the shop, poultry, pigs, butter, eggs, and all manner of goods, which were taken away either in the morning or the night as they were delivered in the day by railway vans—I gave them notice to quit.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Browning.</hi> I did not see you sign the agreement you went to the office with a clerk to sign it—Byrne did not owe any rent when he went away, because we always have two months down in advance—two months' rent was paid, and you were there two months all but one week—lots of things came there—I don't know whether they were paid for or not.</p>
<p>J, G.
<hi rend="smallCaps">LITTLECHILD</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). The letter signed Samuel Reynolds is in the same writing as those signed Jacobs and Collier.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-149" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-149" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-149" type="surname" value="WHEATLET"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-149" type="given" value="JONATHAN"/>JONATHAN WHEATLET</persName> </hi>. I am a brewer at Tunbridge Wells—in March last I received these two letters signed Samuel Collier.(
<hi rend="italic">The first was dated</hi> 12
<hi rend="italic">th March</hi>, 1875,
<hi rend="italic">from</hi> 12,
<hi rend="italic">Nile Terrace, Kent Road, ordering a kilderkin of ale and one of stout.</hi>) I wrote for a reference and received a second letter re
<lb/>ferring me to Mr. Charles Harrison, 25, Quadrant Grove, Primrose Hill—I went to look at the house and made enquiries, and I did not send any beer.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jacobs.</hi> I did not go to Nile Terrace to see Mr. Collier, and I did not apply to the reference.</p>
<p>J. G.
<hi rend="smallCaps">LITTLECHILD</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). These two letters, signed Samuel Collier, are in Jacobs' writing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-150" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-150" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-150" type="surname" value="FRAZER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-150" type="given" value="EDWARD WILLIAM"/>EDWARD WILLIAM FRAZER</persName> </hi>. I am a builder at Cromwell Villas, South Acton.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Brovming.</hi> You supplied me with stoves, ranges, and gutterings, which I fetched from Messrs. Graham & Sons in a cart; the first lot—the second time I got a van, which was recommended to me by the delivery clerk—no secret was made about the matter—I went there with you.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness for Jacobs.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-151" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-151" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-151" type="surname" value="JACOBS"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-151" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN JACOBS</persName> </hi>. At the' latter end of November I came to you at 9, Pepler Road, Old Kent Road, where I brought my child, which you kept till Christmas Day, and you brought him home at dinner time—you and your wife—the lady who came with me is ill and can't attend.
<hi rend="italic">Browning, in his defence, stated that as to Graham's case, although he had the goods he had not sold them for half price or three parts of what they cost as he might have done, but had lodged the iron at Usher's to be warehoused. That, as to Mr. Nokes, he had paid him for the first lot of goods, and the bills for the second lot were, altered and made payable at the bank, which he knew nothing of, that he never stated to Mr. Topham that he was Mr. Wood, and that he had never taken the shop in Oxford Market.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Jacobs, in his defence, stated that his name was not Reynolds, that he lived at Pepler Road, and had written the letters at the request of a man named Reynolds, who also told him to sign some of them Collier, and that he knew nothing of Browning and Barker.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18750503-330-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18750503-330-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-330-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">BROWNING</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">BARKER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">then</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to having been before convicted at this Court, Brovming in February</hi>, 1867,
<hi rend="italic">in the name of James Bradshaw and Barker in December</hi>, 1858,
<hi rend="italic">as William Elsom.</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JACOBS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was also charged with having been-convicted in November</hi>, 2861.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750503-name-152" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750503-name-152" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-152" type="surname" value="BAKER"/>
<interp inst="t18750503-name-152" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER BAKER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 74). In September, 1861, 1 apprehended Jacobs and he was tried and convicted of obtaining money by false pretences—he gave no name and he was tried as a person whose name was unknown—I was present at the time, and he is the same man—a previous conviction of twelve months' was proved against him then—I produce the certificate. (
<hi rend="italic">This was dated the 4th November</hi>, 1861,
<hi rend="italic">and stated that a certain person whose name was unknown was tried and convicted for obtaining</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">l. by false pretences and sentenced to Three Years' Penal</hi>). That relates to Jacobs.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">There was another indictment against the prisoners with several others, for which see Third Court, Wednesday and Thursday.</hi> </p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday May</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th, and Thursday, May</hi> 6
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Baron Cleasby.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLET</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prostcution</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HOP
<lb/>WOOD</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi> Mb. Poland
<hi rend="italic">appeared for Hibbert and Weiler</hi>; Mr. Crisp
<hi rend="italic">for Reed</hi>; Mr. Wright
<hi rend="italic">for Harris; and</hi> Ma Haeris
<hi rend="italic">for Matthews.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-159" type="given" value="WILLIAM EDGAB"/>WILLIAM EDGAB GRAHAM</persName> </hi>. I can on business with several partners under the style of Jackson & Graham as upholsterers, cabinet-makers and general house furnishers—we have two factories, one attached to the ware house in Oxford Street and the other in Ogle Street; they are perfectly dis
<lb/>tinct—the course of business at the Oxford Street factory has not been altered, we were working piecework by the union book; by the union I do not mean the Cabinet-maker's Alliance; but a West End society; that is a trades union of the workpeople—the union book is a book that was agreed, upon by the masters and men many years ago—that mode of labour has not been changed at all in Oxford Street—at the Ogle Street factory up to 13th November last the men were paid by day work or by the hour; there was no piece work done there—on the 13th November we gave a notice of our intention to change that system to piece work at what is called "lump prices;" that means that the contract with the workman is for the entire finishing of the article, to take a contract to do so much work at a price—in the notice we gave we offered employment to all the workpeople on the new system—we gave the notice on the 13th that the change would take place on Monday, the 16th—I did not know any of the defendants previous. to the 13th, I had only seen Matthews who had once worked in our place; he was not working there at that time—the other defendants had never worked for us—in consequence of a communication from our foreman I con
<lb/>sented to receive a deputation from the Alliance Cabinet-makers Association and I did so on the 16th about 11 or 12 o'clock—before I was asked to receive the deputation the workshop in Ogle Street had been opened for the men to come to work under the new system; only one man and two boys presented themselves—before that there had been about forty in the cabinet shop—the deputation consisted of Ham, Reed, and a man named Bright; Reed began the conversation and Bright followed—Reed asked me whether I was inclined to alter the terms upon which we were prepared to do business, if I would allow the prices to be determined by a shop committee—I said "No"—there was a long rambling conversation after that which had nothing to do with it in particular—I was asked by Bright whether the idea had entered my head that I should not be able to get workpeople—I said no, it never had, that with good shops and good pay we should always be able to get men—they then retired—I did not in any way entertain their proposals; I told them that we wanted to get the best men in the trade, that they might be able to earn what they were worth—after that, on the 17th, we received this letter. (
<hi rend="italic">Head</hi>: "Alliance Cabinet-maker's Association, 3, Mitre Square. 17th November, 74. Gentlemen—I am directed by the executive committee to inform you that the members of the above association cannot accept the terms proposed to the deputation that waited upon you on Monday. Trusting you will recon
<lb/>sider your determination. I am yrs. obd., J. R. Smith, General Secretary." We replied to that letter on the 19th; this is a press copy of the letter. (
<hi rend="italic">This being objected to</hi>, Mb. J. R. Smith
<hi rend="italic">was called on his subpoena to produce the original, but stated that he had not got it.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BABON CLEASBT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">did not consider the copy could be read.</hi>) We then advertised in the London and</p>
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<p>country newspapers for workpeople, and on the week following the 16th I think we had one or two applications—about the 24th November I saw Matthews near our factory in Ogle Street with a man named Tommany—I generally went to the factory between 9 and 10 o'clock in the morning, and left between 10 and 11 o'clock—sometimes I went there two or three times a day—I always went there in the morning—it was between 9 and 11 o'clock in the morning on the 24th that I saw Matthews and the other—they were walking up and down in Ogle Street within about twenty yards of the factory—they did not enter the factory; they were sometimes 60 or 70 yards from it—they passed up and down—they went up to the factory—when I saw them first they were on the other side of the road—there is a chapel opposite the factory—I can't tell how long they remained there—I only saw them when I went in and when I came out-for about five weeks after that I saw Matthews near the factory every morning—different people were with him, sometimes Ham, sometimes Reed, and a man whose name I believe is Cavers—they were walking up and down, and if any one came apparently applying at the factory or coming near the factory they generally crossed over and spoke to them—I saw that done—I have seen them as late as 5 o'clock in the evening and before 9 o'clock in the morning—I have been there: when they were not there, but as a rule they were there—I don't think I ever saw Ham, Reed and Matthews all three together—I have seen Weiler and Hibbert there for about three weeks, the first eleven days in February and the last week in January, up to the time when they were arrested—I generally saw them when I went to the factory between 9 and. 11 o'clock and when I came out, and when I went at other times—they were in company with other men whose names I did not know, walking up and down and. standing just outside the factory—I have also seen them at midday when the men came out to dinner, about 1 o'clock, and also when they came out in the evening after work—I have seen Hibbert and Weiler together constantly, as well as with others—I have seen about nine persons so con-ducting themselves opposite the factory—I ought to qualify that by saying I have seen nine only for a definite period—I have seen more than ten at one time, of' whom Hibbert and Weiler were part—when workpeople approached the door of the factory they spoke to them and talked to them and walked away with them; that has been at the corner of the factory, which is about 20 yards from the door; the door is in a side street called: Ogle Mews—they have been close to the wall of the factory—I have seen as many as nine or ten at 1 o'clock when the men came out to dinner, and at 2 o'clock when they came back—I did not like it—this kind of-conduct ceased to a great extent after this prosecution commenced, but I saw the prisoners about there occasionally—before the prosecution commenced we bad the very greatest difficulty in keeping persons in our service; after the prose
<lb/>cution was commenced we had not equal difficulty; we had plenty of enquiries.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HOPWOOD</hi>. Ours is a very old firm, and a very extensive one—it might be taken that we discharged the men, we told them that we should not do day work any more—they were told definitely on the Friday that they were discharged on the Saturday unless they chose to take our new terms—the first thing the deputation asked was why the men had been discharged on Saturday—the Oxford Street factory had been working on piece work—that which we proposed at Ogle Street was a different mode to that—the men did not tell me that if we chose to adopt the Oxford Street</p>
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<p>system at Ogle Street they would not offer any opposition—I did not know that that was the case—they did not ask me to work at Ogle Street on the union book—they asked me whether I intended to work by the union; book as used in Oxford Street, and I said I did not—that was a book agreed on in 1811—when they asked me that question I had the very gravest doubt whether they wanted me to work by that, because their society does not work by it, and does not understand it—the defendants work lump work them selves; piece work at lump prices—I merely understood that they wanted to know what I was going to do—the system at Oxford Street was piece work in parts, our proposal was piece work in the lump at a lump price, say a table or desk, for which a working drawing is given—frankly our object in. doing that was not benevolence, it was to prevent ourselves from being robbed; I don't think that is too strong a term—it would not give us the advantage of making a bargain with anybody to do the whole at a less price than somebody else—we had no fixed price, but the same price would always be quoted for the same work again—no man is bound to take a contract—we should be entitled to make a bargain with each individual, what he would do it for—I should think I have seen ten men at a time about six times at least, spreading over three months'—at about 2 o'clock, when the men were returning to their work, a little before 2 o'clock as a rule—there were some men from Messrs. Howard's factory which is about 150 yards off—their dinner hour was the same as ours—none of the men ever spoke to me—I don't know whether or not I saw any of our old hands in the street at any time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRISP</hi>. We had about forty men employed at Ogle Street in November—Stride was one; Parr was foreman; Woodrow, Jewell, Carr and Russell—Jewell was the only man who remained in the service with the two boys—Carr is foreman of the polishers, and has been there all along; the notice would not apply to him—Woodrow did not remain, he went out on the Saturday or Monday—I don't quite know how Jewell was paid prior to the discharge of the men—afterwards he was paid by piece work I think—I can't say for certain, I mean lump work, I believe he had to make a contract, but I don't know, because some of the men began by working day time again, to finish the work that was in hand—I can't tell 'you whether Jewell was one of these, my foreman will be able to tell you—I believe all the men who entered the service after 24th November adopted the piece work system, the foreman can tell you—I know several:' of them began day work to finish the work in hand, and after that they went on at lump work—when they left nearly every man had one or two pieces of furniture that he was making to finish, and some of that was not finished for five or six months—during that time payment by the hour was not going on, they were working lump work—I think all the finishing was day work, and that has continued up to the present time—their may have; been one man working day work to finish—we manufacture our own cabinet work—during the strike we had to buy a
<hi rend="italic">few</hi> things—a great many upholsterers in London do not manufacture, they are supplied by trade working masters—as a rule they are cheap houses and can under sell us, except in machine made furniture—our adopting the lump system would. not be quite the same thing—we should be more able to compete with the cheap houses, it would benefit the men—it would benefit both parties—it was not entirely to compete with the cheap houses; in part it was—I made a note of the time when I saw Reed (
<hi rend="italic">referring</hi>), it was the second week in</p>
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<p>December, and the first week in January, and I think on no other occasions—Ogle Street is not above 80 yards long—there is a public-house at the corner of Ogle Street and Foley Street—I don't know the name of it; it is kept by a man named Tennant—Ogle Mews leads out of Ogle Street, it is a
<hi rend="italic">culled sac</hi>—the entrance to the factory is in Ogle Mews—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is a very good map of the place—the public-house is about 30 yards from the factory—I think it is frequented chiefly by our men—Messrs. Howard's men frequent three other public-houses, they would not come that way.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRIS</hi>. Matthews came to work for us on 4th Octo
<lb/>ber, 1872, and remained till March 28th, 1874—I expect I saw him every morning when he was there—I. have no doubt about his being in the street on 24th November, I never had any doubt about it, I believe he was there the whole of the week—I said before the Magistrate "I saw a man whom believe to be the defendant Matthews"—Laws told that his name was Matthews by the men who worked with him and knew him—I did not know his name when he was working with us—I asked the other people who he was, and they said his name was Matthews, that he had spoken to them and they knew him—I have no doubt he is the man—I saw him within 20 yards of the factory walking up and down—I have heard of a system called the "sweating" system; I think I can explain what it means; it is not the lump system; as I understand it is this, when a man takes a contract per lump he is allowed to have his son or a lad as an apprentice to him or to work for him, and he takes all: the money and pays his son what he likes, and he reaps the benefit and not the master—piece work is where a man is for instance paid for parts of a table, such as the claw, the pillar, or the top, and the lump system is a contract system, by which the parts would not be separated as you mean, but they are separated in as much as the machinery does part, but he contracts for the whole-table—it was the lump system that I wanted the men to adopt—I believe that system is not known in the trade as the sweating system; I have explained what I believe to be the sweating system.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WRIGHT</hi>. Ham was picketing the first week in. December.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I did not make any proposition to the deputation, nor did I authorise them to make any proposition to the men—I did not in any way, recognise the right of the society to interfere with our mode of carrying on our business—I told them that it would be a contract between the men and the foreman, and that the workman might consult his bench mates before taking out the contract—we never closed our workshop or factory, except in the sense that we desired to alter the mode in which the men were paid.; they were never closed for a moment—the-real reason for our making the alteration was to get the best men—before making the alteration my atten
<lb/>tion had been called to the cost of labour, and I bad reason to believe it was costing too much, that is, in proportion to the articles made; that was not entirely the reason for making the alteration; we wanted better men, that was the main reason; they would not come to work at 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. per hour, they said they preferred piece work or. lump work—I could see Matthews and the other men on looking out of window; they were constantly walking up and down and disappearing and going in and out of the public-house; it depended on the weather to a certain extent—I could see sufficiently of them to see that our warehouse was the object of their attention, and one of them, sometimes two, took refuge in a wheelwright's shop in the mews</p>
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<p>immediately opposite and used to watch from there when it rained—those men were Weiler and Cavers, at least I believe that is his name.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-160" type="given" value="JOHN BRANNAN LAMBERT"/>JOHN BRANNAN LAMBERT STRIDE</persName> </hi>. I live in London Street, Fitzroy Square—I am now in the employment of Messrs. Jackson & Graham, and have been so ever since the latter end of last May—in November I was a member of the Alliance Cabinet-makers' Society—I remember the notice which was given by Messrs. Jackson & Graham, of their intention to alter the mode of payment—on Saturday 14th, a meeting was held on the subject at the King and Queen public-house, at the corner of Foley Street; it was a meeting of the workmen of the firm belonging to the society, Ham was the chairman, Weiler and Reed were present—there was a dis
<lb/>cussion upon the subject of Messrs. Jackson & Graham's proposed altera
<lb/>tion, and an arrangement was made that none of us should go in to work at the factory again until it was announced by the executive committee that the shop should be thrown open again, it was closed until then—we were not to commence work again till we had orders from "the executive committee—it was proposed that a deputation should wait on Mr. Graham, to see if he could make arrangements for our coming into work again under the old system—a resolution was passed that we should sign the book each day at the society house, the King and Queen, between 10 and 12 o'clock in the morning and 2 and
<hi rend="italic">i</hi> o'clock in the afternoon, to receive strike pay, that was a guinea a week, the regular strike pay—I heard something said by some of the executive, I won't be certain whether it was the" chairman or secretary, about advertising in the. different papers and sending to the different secretaries of the society to block all towns they had corres
<lb/>pondence with to prevent men from being sent to fill our places—I spoke as to my desire of going back and trying the new system, and I was scarcely allowed a hearing—I said there would be other men to take our places from all parts of the country, only too glad to get in if we came out, and that was the answer I received, that they would advertise-after the deputation had waited upon Mr. Graham, there was another meeting, on the 16th—Mr. Ham took the chair—the matter was discussed by several members, I among the number, and each had a hearing but myself—there was one or two besides that were anxious to go back, but they said' they would abide by the decision of the executive committee, that they should like to go back and try it, but they would not if the executive wished" them not—Reed was present at that meeting, and I am almost certain Weiler was—one of the members; I can't say which, said "Had we not better keep some pickets on the. outside of the factory to watch the premises; I will go as one," and the chairman remarked "Don't be in too great a hurry, that will come on very likely by-and-bye; if you listen to me you will wait till you get orders from us"—the subject of picketing was dis
<lb/>cussed among them, but nothing further, as I know of, arranged—on the Tuesday, I resigned my membership of the society, and on the Wednesday morning after breakfast I went back to my work in Ogle Street, and except when I have been ill I have been working there ever since—I did not see any picketing the first day—I did some five or six days after, or it may be a day or two more; I first noticed some men walking up and down outside the window close to the head of my bench where I could look out and have a view of them all day long—I don't remember who I first saw—it was in Ogle Street—ray place looks into Ogle Street, facing the church—it was generally after breakfast that I saw them walking up and down—I</p>
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<p>scarcely ever saw them before breakfast that I remember, and it continued up to 7 o'clock in the evening more or less—our breakfast is at 8 o'clock, we have half an hour—to the best of my recollection I have not. seen any
<lb/>body when I have gone to work in the morning, not to notice them; sometimes it was dark in the morning—this picketing continued as far as I was cognisant of it up to the second Tuesday, in February, which was the Tuesday prior to my going to the Police Court on the Thursday—it was about the same each day during the whole of that time, from morning till evening; if I looked out at many different hours I would see them—I have seen from two to four men engaged in this occupation, sometimes two, some
<lb/>times three, sometimes four—I have seen all the defendants engaged in it, some more than others, Matthews most—he was there very often, in all weathers—next to Matthews Weiler was most frequently there—I saw Ham one week almost every day, at intervals—being a member of the executive, he was similar to a sergeant walking about to see that, the men were on duty—Hibbert was the last I saw there—I saw him the last morning of any—he was walking up and down in the same way—I-saw Reed at several intervals, but not very frequently, he was doing the same as the others—I might have seen him before, but I was not aware who he was till I asked, and after that I noticed him—he stopped me one morning as I was going back from breakfast—I can scarcely: say which of the defendants I have seen together—I have seen. Reed in conversation with the others that were on picket more than once or twice—I have not seen the whole five together that I am aware of—but I have seen Reed with each of them at different times, walking up and down—have seen several of them together walking up and down, I can. scarcely tell which, because I little thought it would come to this, or I should have taken greater notice—when I have seen them, whether together or not, they have been doing the same thing as the others—I have been spoken to by Matthews, on one occasion—fol
<lb/>lowed me into. the Wheatsheaf public-house in Upper Marylebone Street, when I was coming from my work going to my dinner he followed me along with some of the new hands till he saw where we went, and then he came in and commenced conversation about the work, and who the men were that were with me—he then asked me if I would have a glass of ale with him—I said I had no objection—after that he stood a glass of wine or gin, and he left me at the counter and turned his conversation to. the new hands—he tried to influence them, I can't say exactly what he said—he persuaded them by all means to come out—as near as I can recollect he said "Don't you think you are acting very foolish to stay in there and work, when if you come out we can get you other shops, as good as that or better"—they said they did not see as they were doing anything detrimental to their cause, they wanted work, they understood that they were giving very good prices 'and they had always been used to. piece work, therefore they should try it for the present—he then asked me if I could not influence them to come out, and why did 1 not come round to the society house with him on the next lodge night and get reinstated to, the society again—I said "
<hi rend="italic">I</hi> am very well satisfied where I am, I am very comfortable at present, and until I see things take a change I wish to remain where I am"—I told him that all I wanted was good work and to be well paid for it, which I had got at present—he said he was surprised at me after my being a leading man in the society at Bristol as the secretary for some time, setting such a bad example—he wished me to come out and they would support me, and anything in</p>
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<p>reason that I wanted they would furnish me for coming out, he had got that authority—I still stood to my previous answer—when he was leaving there was another person in the trade with him that I was not acquainted with, and he said "Mind, I hope I shall see you on the next lodge night, I shall be looking out for you, I shall speak to them about you, we want to get you back again as you will be useful to us"—I did not go—I saw Matthews again a few days after—he frequently spoke to me on the subject, he would follow me—we generally went to this public-house, being the nearest I passed coming towards my home—on one occasion he said to me "Of-course you are aware you will be called a black, go where you will, and you will find that you won't be able to get any work in any shop in London or else-where where there is any society of ours held"—on one occasion Reed spoke to me as I was-coming from my breakfast, and just going into the factory, he beckoned me and said "How are you. getting on inside, how is things looking with the new hands" and while we were in the midst of conversation Mr. Rawlins, one of our foremen, came up and I went away into the factory—the picketing went on after these conversations just the same as ever.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi> Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">HOPWOOD</hi>. I have been ill for some, little time past—we had-two meetings at the lodge-house, one on. the Saturday and one on the Monday after the" deputation had seen, Mr. Graham—I had not been a member of the society ever since I had been in London, only since. I com
<lb/>menced working for Jackson and Graham—was secretary to the Cabinet-makers' Society at Bristol; it was a society that was understood to protect the interests of the men-against the employers—it is generally understood that a man is considered a black if he opposes himself to the rest of the society—I-have never treated any so I never had occasion for it—at the meeting on the Saturday I most emphatically opposed coming out from Jackson & Graham's; I say that on my bath—I did not vote either time—there was a division; some went to the right and some to the left—the side I happened to be sitting, at the right, voted for coming out—I sat there, but
<hi rend="italic">I</hi> did not vote—I never held up my hands—I did not know they were going to divide—I can't say how many went to, the other side of the room—I can't say that one went—I announced on that occasion that I differed from the rest—I had two or three says, and they put me down on each occasion—I heard more than two say they wished to go back; I heard two I am certain besides myself, but there were more than two—I can't say how many were there; all the men that were at work at Jackson & Graham's—I did not go back to work on lump work; I went on at day work for a month or two, finishing the. work I had left unfinished.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi> Mr. Crisp.-When I went back to Jackson & Graham's I found one grown man and two boys I think in the shop where I was working—I can't say what work the man was doing; I did not go to look—I was given to understand that he was working day work as-usual, but I can't say—it must have been at the latter end of January that I began to work lump work—it was at my own suggestion that I commenced it, because I could make more money—it was no use-my suggesting, it before; there were the rules of the shop to abide by—when I commenced lump; work I did not have a boy working under me; I had my son with me; he. is almost big enough to be a man; he is between 16 and 17; he would be called a lad in the warehouse—I can't say whether having a lad working working under you is called the "sweating" system; I should not consider it so myself; I can't answer for my fellow-workmen—I remember when piece</p>
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<p>work at lump prices was commenced at Jackson Graham's—there is a distinction between lump work and piece-work at lump prices; that com-menced as soon as the new hands came on—there was a lot of work to be finished, but the new-hands generally, had new jobs given to them—I can't tell you any one of them; there were, several strangers to me, and they were got out again by the pickets—the: lump work began immediately the fresh men came on—I was at day work finishing my jobs—the men who tried to get me away, did not know what system I was on;-of course they were given to understand that the. lump-system would be the system for the future, and so it will be.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WEIGHT</hi>. It was both in November and December that I had these conversation with Matthews-had conversation with him: on several occasions—the" last I have spoken to was in December.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750503-name-161" type="given" value="GODFREY WILLIAMS"/>GODFREY WILLIAMS PARRY</persName> </hi>, I became foreman-of the cabinet, shop of; Messrs. Jackson & Graham in Upper ogle Street on 5th August, 1873; that was when I entered the service—I continued to be foreman down to November, 1874; up to that time the men were paid by the hour—it was my place as foreman to see that the work was done—found that it was not done in accordance with my requirement—on 13th November, a notice was given of an alteration in the mode of payment—on the morning of; the 16th, when the new system was to commence, one man came to work, the two boys were in—on the Thursday I think I saw all the old workmen, they came to take their tools away—I don't remember any fresh men pre
<lb/>senting themselves for employment during that week I think Stride came on the-Wednesday; but I am not positive—he continued to work—was paid by the hour for five or six weeks as he was finishing some work—I first noticed the picketing on the; Monday; 23rd November—I am not quite certain which of the defendants were-picketing that first week—I saw men-walking; up and down from about 8 o'clock in the morning until about 5 o'clock in the evening; there were generally two, sometimes: three—some fresh' men presented themselves in the week commencing the 23rd, I think one man called that week and arranged to come in on the following Monday morning; he did come at 6o'clock and remained till 1o'clock, when he went to dinner he then returned and took away his tools—don't know his-name-at that-'time the picketing
<hi rend="italic">had</hi>: commenced—dare. say about half a dozen men came in the week beginning on the 23rd, some of them brought in their tool and some did not coma in at all—don't know the names of those that brought their tools in and took them-out-again, because the names were not taken—saw some of the men that applied for work spoken to by the persons that were picketing outside-about three out of the six brought in their tools and took them way again—don't know that I saw those three spoken to but they told me what had happened the first week after the notice was given scarcely anybody applied for work, and no systematic picketing was resorted to, but the week following it co
<lb/>mmenced—in the week beginning November 30th some fresh hands came in; I think Peter Galliard was the first that came in, but I am not quite positive which week he commenced—the system of the shop was explained; to; him and he accepted the times, it was piece work at lump prices—he is work
<lb/>ing there still—I have not seen him spoken to by men outside the next man engaged I think was Tame he is working up to the present time—I am not quite positive whether he came in that week—Duck, H. Brown and Baker, I think, came in that week; they are still in the service on piece</p>
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<p>work, lump prices—I noticed the persons outside during these weeks; they were there all day—I have seen all the defendants there from time to time—this continued down to 11th February, when they were taken into custody—I found a difficulty in getting men to come in—the men were walking up and down in front of the premises—that was all that I per
<lb/>sonally saw them doing; it continued all day, from about 8 o'clock in the morning till about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, there were generally two, sometimes three—I have seen a greater number than that outside the factory, but I could not say they were picketing; by "picketing" I mean watching the premises with the intention of preventing men coming to seek for work—I saw Matthews for about three weeks or more picketing in com
<lb/>pany with another person—Ham I saw I think for a week—I am not posi
<lb/>tive whether Reed was there more than a fortnight, and I am not positive whether the two weeks were consecutive—Weiler I saw about three weeks, some weeks were consecutive, and Hibbert I observed about two weeks at the end of the picketing—I can't positively state the number of men that came for employment from 23rd November to 11th February, but I should imagine about twenty or thirty, who did not come in to work—somewhere between" twenty and thirty did come into work, but some left—I distinctly remember-two leaving that is three altogether I did not know that they were going to leave before they left; they did not finish the work on which they-were engaged-after the defendants were in custody new hands applied for work; we had no difficulty in getting hands after that, after the picketing had ceased, and they continued to work on the contract system, at lump prices—since the picketing ceased I do not remember an instance of a man leaving without finishing his work—whilst the picketing existed one or two men made complaints to me, one in particular, Clark.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi> Mr. Hopwoop. I did not see any of our old workmen in the street, I am glad to say they were too much of gentlemen to come and watch the place—I will swear I did not see many; I may have seen one or two—since we have had the new system we have had some men go away; I only remember three leaving of their own accord.</p>
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