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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>STONE, MAYOR.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-2" type="given" value="ALEXANDER"/>ALEXANDER BUCKLER</persName>,</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, April 5th, 1875, and following days,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON</hi>.
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-4" type="given" value="DAVID HENRY"/>DAVID HENRY STONE</persName>, LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; The Hon. Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM BALIOL BRETT</hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas;
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE</hi> Hon. Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ANTHONY CLEASBT</hi>, Knt., one of the Barons of Her Majesty's Court of Ex
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-5" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS SIDNEY</persName> </hi>, Esq., Sir
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<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM FERNELEY ALLEN</hi>, Esq., and Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">SILLS JOHN GIBBONS</hi>, Bart., Alder
<lb/>men of the said City; the Right Hon.
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-7" type="given" value="RUSSELL"/>RUSSELL GURNEY</persName> </hi>, Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-8" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS WHITE</persName> </hi> Knt.,
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-10" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FIGGINS</persName> </hi>, Esq., and
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-11" type="given" value="HENRY EDMUND"/>HENRY EDMUND KNIGHT</persName> </hi>, Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-12" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>, Knt., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-13" type="given" value="ROBERT MALCOLM"/>ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</persName> </hi>, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS</hi> Esq., Alderman.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM TIMBRELL ELLIOTT</hi>, Esq.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">STONE, MAYOR. SIXTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denote that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, April</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-19" type="given" value="ALICE"/>ALICE JAMES</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Louisa Cook, of 252, Fulham Road—on 23rd February, between 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening the prisoner came in—I served her with some muslin trimming which came to 3 3/4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she handed me a florin, I sent the servant Stevens to Mrs. Cox next door for change, she brought back the change, I gave it to the prisoner and she left—shortly after Mrs. Cox brought in the florin, and I found it was bad—I put it on the mantelpiece in the parlour—I had noticed that the date was 1873—on 1st March, between 3 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon the prisoner came in again, Miss Cook served her, I saw her, I was in the parlour—as the prisoner left I spoke to Miss Cook—she took a florin out of the till and went to the door; she could not see the prisoner, she spoke to a constable—that florin was put on the shelf with the other—on 9th March, between 3 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon, the prisoner came again—I served her with a hair net which came to 20 3/4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she paid with a florin—I bit it and found that it was bad—I passed it to Miss Cook and asked her if it was good, she misunderstood me and gave me change, I gave it to the prisoner and she left—in consequence of what I said to Miss Cook she went to the door and ran after the prisoner with the florin in her hand—I gave her the other two florins and they were taken to the station.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">T</hi> 151—I showed him the florin and put it on the mantelpiece alongside another florin—on 9th March I wasi n the shop and saw the prisoner come in she was served by James who handed me a florin and said "Is this good?" but I misunderstood her and thought she asked for change, and I gave her the change, and the prisoner had it and left—I put the florin in my purse, there was no other florin there, when t he prisoner looked in my purse and found the bad florin—I went to the door with it in my hand and saw the prisoner crossing the road—she joined a man round the corner—she turned and saw me and came back to meet me—I said "You have given me a bad florin"—the man said "Oh, have you another one, there give the lady a good one "and she gave me a good florin and I gave the man the bad one—I said to the prisoner, "You have been twice in my shop before and passed bad money"—she said she had not—I said "If you will come back and give me the good for the bad I will not give you in charge"—the man said "Oh come back with the lady"—they both turned round to come back with me—the police constable on the beat there was the same I had seen on the 1st—I saw him and beckoned to him to come over and said "This woman has been passing bad money in my shop"—he asked her to show him the money she had with her—she refused—I then gave her in charge—the man ran away—I gave the other two florins to the inspector at the station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I said I believed she was the person that had been there on 23rd February and 1st March—I asked her to give me the 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—it was after that that I gave her into custody—she said she had not been in the shop before.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-22" type="given" value="LUCY"/>LUCY EVANS</persName> </hi>. Last witness brought me a florin to change—Mrs. Cox was in the parlour—I took it to her and she gave me the change.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman T</hi> 151). I was on the Fulham beat in February and March last—Miss Cook showed me a florin and made a statement to me—on 9th March I saw her in the Fulham Road—she told me the prisoner had been in the shop again uttering counterfeit coin; there were several persons standing in the street at the time—I did not notice any one connected with her—I asked the prisoner if she had any more money in her purse—she said "Yes"—I asked her to let me look at it; she refused—she denied having been in the shop before—she was searched at the station, and a quantity of linen, a book, two eggs, and 10
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-28" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES THORNE</persName> </hi>. I am eleven years old, and live at 9, Lower Osmond Street—on 3rd March, between 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening, the pri
<lb/>soner spoke to me at the corner of Margaret Street, near my own house—I had never seen him before—he asked me if I would go and get him a penny egg, and gave mo a shilling to pay for it—I went to Mr. Proctor's, 44, Margaret Street—Mr. Proctor served me with the
<hi rend="italic">egg</hi>, and gave me six
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. piece, and a 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change—I found the prisoner in the same place, and gave him the egg and the change, and he gave me a halfpenny for my trouble—I then went on about my business—I came back in about five or ten minutes, and the prisoner was still there, and he asked me to get him two ounces of butter—he gave me a shilling to pay for it—I went to the same shop—Mr. Proctor served me—I received the butter, and sixpence and 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., which I took to the prisoner, and as I was giving it to him Mr. Proctor came and seized him, and he got under his arm and ran away—Mr. Proctor ran after him into Wilmington Square, and I lost sight of him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-29" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD PROCTOR</persName> </hi>. I keep a dairy at 44, Margaret Street—the last witness came to my shop on the evening of 3rd March, between 7 and 8 o'clock, for two ounces of butter, and tendered a bad shilling—I thought it was bad—I gave him the butter and the change, and left the shilling on the counter, and followed the lad out—I saw him give the butter and money to the prisoner—I seized the prisoner; he got away—I followed him and caught him in Wilmington Square—we had a struggle; a constable came up and I gave him into custody—he was brought back to the shop—I found the shilling on the counter where I had left it—I gave it to the constable, and then went to the station and gave the prisoner in charge—after coming back from the station, I found another shilling on another counter, which was also bad—I don't recollect receiving that—I took it to the station.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-53" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HUTT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi>). On Tuesday evening, 16th March, I was in John Street, Minories, about 7.45—I saw Lynch there driving a one horse van containing wool—Hooper was walking by his side—I followed them into Trinity Square—Hooper stopped at the corner on the pavement, and Lynch drew his van over on the opposite side against the square and stopped, and then came back and commenced talking to Hooper—Hall then came up with another load of wool upon a van; bales of wool—he stopped at the corner of Cooper's Row and got down—he had some conversation with the</p>
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<p>others for about a minute, and then Lynch came over and drove his van away, and Hall followed with his van—Hooper got up on Hall's load behind as the van was going on, that was in Trinity Square, and after going 30 or 40 yards round the dark part of the square, Hooper pushed a bale off into the roadway—I had to come over the gate where I was, and when I came out Hooper was off the van, about 2 yards from me—I took hold of him and told him I should take him into custody for stealing the bale of wool—he said "You have made a mistake"—I took him to the Seething Lane Police Station—I afterwards went to Brewers Quay, Thames Street, which is the wharf where they were taking the wool to be put on board a ship—Lynch was there, and Hall came down with his van while I was there—I told them I should take them into custody for being concerned with an
<lb/>other in custody in stealing a bale of wool in Trinity Square—they said they knew nothing about it—the bale is 3 cwt.—in the direction in which they went they were not going direct to Brewer's Quay; they ought to have gone straight down through Cooper's Row to the Tower, instead of that they turned round to the right—they both lead to the same point, but the usual practice is to go straight down, and they went round the square; it was rather darker that side than the other—I knew Hooper, and therefore I followed him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Both roads lead to the same spot, and one diverges a little—Lynch was walking by the side of his horse, in front of the van, and Hall was walking by his horse—the van was in motion when the wool fell to the ground—Lynch's van was in front, and it was from Hall's van that the bale fell—Hall's van was 12 or 14 yards from Lynch's—it was about 7.55 when it was pushed off—the bales were not tied.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Brewers Quay is about 200 yards from the place, where the bale was thrown off.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-54" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK HARTLEY</persName> </hi>. I live at 39, Goldsmith's Row, and am clerk to Messrs. Brown & Eagle, of Haydon Square—on Tuesday night, 16th March—I saw the the two vans loaded with thirteen bales of wool on each—that was about 7 o'clock—I saw a bale at the Thames Police Court, and identified that as being one which had been on Hall's van—I have the case of the bale here which has the import number on it—I saw how the bales were put on the van—on Hall's van there were four bales at the bottom, and nine on the top—they were not tied on—they would not want tying on—they were loaded inside the rail and would not fall off—this is the case of the bale that was dropped—the import number is 46.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I don't think the bale would fall off or be shaken off by means of a rut and the bad state of the streets—they were small bales and were inside the rail of the van.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-55" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-55" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WILSON</persName> </hi>. I live at 59, Turner's Road, and am manager to Frederick Smither—Lynch and Hall were in his employment as carmen—I saw the bales that were taken to Brewers Quay—the detective came down to the stable and took me down to see them about 9 o'clock, on the 16th—there were thirteen in a load—the value of one bale was about 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Lynch had been in the service sometime before I was there, and I have been there thirteen months—I have never heard how long he was there—Hall has been there also some considerable time—I have heard that he bore the character of a respectable man—when I went down to the quay there were twelve bales on the quay—Hall's van was standing outside, and there were twelve upon that—I did not see the other van—</p>
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<p>the prisoners had been taken into custody before I got there—Mr. Smither requested me to state that Hall was a respectable man, and he would take him back into his employment.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-56" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HUTT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). This is the case which enclosed the bale that I picked up—I fetched Mr. Wilson and got a pony cart, and took it to "Leman Street Police Station—at. the time I saw Hooper get up on the van, I was about 3 yards from the van, and as they went round the square I followed and kept within about 3 yards—I went along inside the rails of the square.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoners' Statement before the Magistrate. Lynch says</hi>: "I never saw Hooper, till I saw him at the station—Hall only stopped his van to assist me on Tower Hill, to assist me with a horse I had down."
<hi rend="italic">Hall says</hi>: "I never got down or stopped my van till I got stopped on Tower Hill, to help my mates horse that was down—the bale must have fallen or I should have seen anyone get up."
<hi rend="italic">Hooper says</hi>: "I reserve my defence."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HALL</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-242-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HOOPER</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-242-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">He also</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to having been before convicted in May</hi>, 1867†—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def3-242-18750405 t18750405-242-punishment-7"/>Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, April</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY HOWARD</hi> (28)</persName>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-58" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE BUCHANAN</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the King's Arms, Long Acre—on the afternoon of 24th March I served the prisoner with half a pint of ale, which came to 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a half-crown—I did not put it into the till—while I was examining it he called for a screw of tobacco—I tried it, "found it was bad, and gave it to the landlord, who gave him in charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I called for the tobacco at the same time that I called for the beer.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> No—it was not till I examined the coin.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-59" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FORREY</persName> </hi>. I keep the King's Arms—the last witness gave me the bad half-crown—I did not hear him call for the tobacco—he said that he was not aware it was bad—I gave him in custody with the coin.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-60" type="given" value="JAMES DAVID"/>JAMES DAVID MANNING</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 317). I was in this public-house and Mr. Forrey gave the prisoner into my custody—I asked his name, he said "Henry Howard"—I found that that was false, and he told me his right name afterwards and said that the half-crown was given to him by a gentleman for carrying a box—he had no pipe or lucifers on him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-61" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—this half-crown is bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I am entirely innocent—a gentleman asked me to. carry a box and gave me the Half-crown.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-63" type="given" value="WILLIAM ALLEN"/>WILLIAM ALLEN TAYLOR</persName> </hi>. I am an omnibus conductor, of 13, Bolton Road, Notting Hill—on Wednesday, 10th March, the prisoner rode, in my omnibus to Charing Cross—the fare was 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. he gave a bad shilling, which I handed to a constable—the prisoner rode in my omnibus about a week previously, from Piccadilly Circus to Praed Street, and gave me a bad</p>
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<p>shilling—I bent it and gave it back to him and told him it was bad; he made no answer, but put his hand in his pocket, pulled out a handfull of money, and gave me a good one—the bad one grated in my teeth and I bent it—the second one on 10th March bent easily—it had not been bent before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I did not ride in your
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> the week previously.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> You rode outside it, it was my last journey—I recognised you on the second occasion as having ridden with me the week before, and I got up directly we started and spoke to the coachman.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> On the first occasion I spoke to a constable just as the prisoner was going out of sight—I cannot say on what day of the week it was, but it was rather more than a week before the 10th.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-64" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS MORRELLS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 462). Taylor gave the prisoner into my custody with this shilling (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—he appeared to be drunk, but going to the station he was perfectly sober—he was searched and four florins, four half-crowns, three shillings, six sixpences, and 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-65" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This shilling is bad; it has been bent before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness for the Defence.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-66" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-66" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-66" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY GREENSTREET</persName> </hi>. I was ten years old last February—the pri
<lb/>soner is my father—we live at 1, Carlton Terrace, Kilburn—I go to school in the day and leave about 4.30, I then do my lessons for the next day and go to bed about 9 o'clock—I sleep in the same room as my father and mother—during the week before my father went away in custody he was at home every night except Friday—I do not know at what time he came home on Friday—he was taken on a Wednesday.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>. My mother has one other child, a baby—we live and sleep in the back room first floor—there are three persons in the house—I cannot tell you how many days my father was away the week before the one I have spoken of, or the week before that—I only recollect about this one week—I have not been talking to anyone about my evidence—a person who lives in the house took me to Bow Street because I did not know the way, because my mother could not bring me—I talked about it to my mother.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> One night that week we had beefsteak pudding for supper and on other nights steak and tripe.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I never was out after 9 o'clock any day that week except Friday; on Monday night I took home some tripe which I bought, at 7.50; I went to bed; on Tuesday I went home early; on Wednesday I re
<lb/>turned home at 8.30, and we had some beefsteak pudding, on Thursday and Friday I did the same. Do you think it feasible 1 should give this man a shilling a week before, and should ofter another to him again.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MARGARET ELIZABETH WARNES</hi>. I am a post-office clerk at 20, Newgate Street—on Saturday 27th February between 4 and 5 p.m., the prisoner came and asked for 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. worth of stamps, he produced an envelope and asked me to put them into the envelope for Mr. Newberry—I put them down on the counter—he gave me a sovereign and 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I found that the sovereign was bad and told him so—he said that a gentleman sent him in from outside—I took up the stamps and handed the sovereign to Mr. Trotter who went for</p>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to the police sergeant—the prisoner tied to get away, but Mr. Trotter detained him and gave him in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> You did not say that the gentleman out
<lb/>side said that you were to say that they were for Mr. Newberry—you did not get away many steps because Mr. Trotter kept-hold of your arm—I heard you ask him to come outside and see if the gentleman was there, but he said "No."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-69" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FLOAT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant</hi>). Warnes gave me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and an envelope on 26th February, and I gave them to Hanks.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-70" type="given" value="ALBERT"/>ALBERT HANKS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 318) I was called to Mr. Trotter's shop—the prisoner said that a tall gentleman outside with a great coat and a high hat had sent him in—he was taken to the station and gave his address, 11, High Street, Gravesend—a razor was found on him, nothing else—Mr. Trotter gave me this sovereign and Float gave me three coppers and an envelope—the prisoner said that he had come from Gravesend by boat, landed at London Bridge, and paid a shilling—the Gravesend boats were not running at that time—he made no attempt to look for the man, and he did not mention the name of Newberry—nothing was written on the envelope.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-71" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This sovereign is bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I was coming up Newgate Street, and a gentleman asked me if 1 would mind fetching him some stamps; he gave me a sove
<lb/>reign, and said "Ask the mistress to put them in an envelope for Mr. New
<lb/>berry," and I did so. I own that I gave a wrong address as I did not want them to know where I lived.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with a former conviction of felony at Clerkenwell in December</hi>, 1869,
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi> De Michele
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>,</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-75" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA PHILLIPS</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at Fisher's Rooms, Victoria Station—on 15th March, about 4.30, the prisoner Dean came in for some brandy, which came to 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; she gave me a bad florin—I sent to Mr. Sweeting and gave. the coin to him, and Dean was given into custody—I had seen Shooter twice that day; he first had a sixpenny cigar, and afterwards two sand wiches and a glass of stout—I do not recollect what he paid' with, but two bad florins were taken that morning.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-76" type="given" value="FREDERICK JAMES"/>FREDERICK JAMES SWEETING</persName> </hi>. I live at Basledon Villas, and am the ex
<lb/>ecutor of the late Mr. Fisher—I was called to the bar, and I saw Dean there—the last witness gave me a florin; I marked it and gave it to the constable—Dean said "A gentleman gave it to me"—I said "When?"—she said "You know; I have been with a gentleman"—just as I was going to leave</p>
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<p>the bar a railway constable pointed out Shooter, who. was crossing the station yard to the Underground Railway—I ran after him and said "That young woman you were with just now has been passing some bad money, will you come back?"—he said "Me; I have been with no woman" Gunn then came up, and I left Shooter with him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-77" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER GUNN</persName> </hi>. I am in the service of the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway—on 15th March I saw the prisoners come into the station yard together and go towards the Brighton station—a short time afterwards I saw Shooter by himself with his back close to the book stall, and within 30
<hi rend="italic">feet</hi> of the refreshment room, standing on his toes and trying to peer over the glass—I looked into the refreshment room and saw Dean there—a constable went in, and I then saw Shooter go out and go towards the Under
<lb/>ground Railway—Mr. Sweeting spoke to him, and he was given in custody.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-78" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD WOOLFORD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman B</hi> 211). Shooter was given into my custody—I took him to the station, searched him, and found an old glove with a bad shilling in a finger of it—I do not think it is a man's glove—I also found a piece of paper marked apparently by a florin, and a shilling, and a purse with ten shillings, six sixpences, a half-crown, a sixpenny piece, and 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze, all good.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Shooter.</hi> Tenpence of that money was spent in refresh
<lb/>ments for you, but the 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. was there before that.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-79" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-79" type="given" value="JESSE"/>JESSE WELLS</persName> </hi>. On 4th March Dean was given into my custody with the florin at the Victoria station—I asked her if she had any more money—she said "Yes," and gave me a purse with two half-crowns in it—she was searched by the female searcher at the station, but nothing else was found.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-80" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This florin is bad, and so is this shilling in the glove; this piece of newspaper has had money wrapped in it, and one coin has been a florin—good money would produce the marks as well as bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Dean produced a written defence, stating that she was an unfortunate woman and received the money from a gentleman, and that she did not know Shooter, till she met him at the station, and asked him to treat her.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Shooter's Defence.</hi> I had some refreshment at the station, and paid with half-a-crown. This woman asked me to treat her, and when she found I would not she left me, and I was taken into custody.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, April</hi> 6
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-82" type="given" value="JOHN YOUNG"/>JOHN YOUNG KEMP</persName> </hi>. I am a Conveyancing Counsel of 4, Stone Buildings, Lincoln's Inn—Mr. Karslake, the Equity Queen's Counsel, has occupied rooms at my chambers for a great many years—I take pupils, they do not attend on Saturdays generally, because I do not generally—John George Leatherbarrow, has been my clerk for about seventeen years—some two years ago, Mr. Karslake, lost his clerk by death, and Leatherbarrow became our joint clerk—about eleven months ago, in consequence of an invitation to do so by my brother I took the prisoner into my employ
<lb/>ment—at the outset he filled the vacancy of a mere boy, and he just had a few shillings, I think 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week; my senior clerk paid him—I found that</p>
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<p>he was a good writer and he was raised to 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a-week, after about two months—a lad named Tuck was also employed in the chambers, he was Mr. Karslake's lad; he had been a very short time in the employ—the prisoner was in the habit of sitting in a room, between my room and my pupils room—he would sit there alone, and have a table with a desk upon it, at which he was in the habit of sitting and copying—these documents marked A, B, D, E and F are papers belonging to me, they are all in the prisoner's handwriting—A is the commencement of a draft, and B is a con
<lb/>tinuation of it—this paper marked C is an application for a loan, that is also in the prisoner's writing—the paper upon which this forged cheque is written is blue draft paper—I have similar paper at my chambers; I have carefully examined the cheque—the endorsement I should say was in the prisoner's handwriting, but I can't say as to the body of the cheque, except the name of Barnes—I mean not in his ordinary handwriting—the endorse
<lb/>ment I should say is quite like it; I was not at my chambers on Saturday, 13th February.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was not examined at the Police Court—I should say the prisoner was in my service a little short of a year—Mr. Karslake was in the habit of drawing cheques at-chambers—I have one from him every quarter for rent, and the habit was for Leatherbarrow to write the body of the cheque, and for Mr. Karslake to sign it—Leatherbarrow always drew the cheques in the cases where I have had cheques—I should say that has been the invariable practice since Leatherbarrow became our joint clerk, this cheque was not shown to me until lately, about last week I think—I don't recollect whether Mr. Dashwood or Mr. Karslake showed it me—it was at the same time that Leatherbarrow's handwriting was compared—I came to the conclusion that the body of the cheque was certainly not Leatherbarrow's writing, it does not resemble his writing—I have a good deal of his writing, and I am sure it is not his—there is no book kept at chambers, in which both Leatherbarrow and the prisoner made entries—Leatherbarrow kept all the entries of business and the accounts—the prisoner merely copied forms and opinions and endorsed opinions—they were tied in bundles monthly, and he endorsed them there is a rough book kept at chambers—that was kept by Leatherbarrow only—the prisoner might write a memorandum on paper in Leatherbarrow's absence, but not in a book—Leatherbarrow was almost always there—I believe I have given to the officer a book containing the handwriting, both of Leatherbarrow and the prisoner—there is a day-book which was kept by Leatherbarrow, the officer has that—I don't know that he has any book in which the prisoner wrote—there is only one book and that will be produced—the prisoner did not stay late at chambers—he generally went about 5 o'clock and came about 10 o'clock or a little before—Leatherbarrow would be there later; after becoming joint clerk he remained till about 7 o'clock—I believe I had told him that Mr. Karslake would no longer require his services as joint clerk after next Michaelmas—I told him that before the prisoner's arrest, about two or three weeks ago, after 13th February—I did not at the same time intimate to the prisoner that he would be the principal clerk—I did not say that Leatherbarrow would cease to be my clerk—I never contemplated dismissing him, or making him second clerk instead of first—there are five rooms in my chambers, Mr. Karslake's room, my room, the room in which the prisoner sat, the pupil room and the principal clerk's room—the desk I speak of is an ordinary slope that lay on</p>
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<p>the table—it is a narrow table and a narrow room—from 10 till 5 o'clook all the clerks had access to the prisoner's room—I have not seen them writing there—the principal clerk had access there—the forms were kept there, and he sometimes went in and out—as a general rule there was no occasion to go to the room—the books were kept in the principal clerk's room on the other side of the passage.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I know Leatherbarrow's handwriting thoroughly well—no portion of the cheque is in his handwriting, not at all like it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-83" type="given" value="JOHN GEOEGE"/>JOHN GEOEGE LEATHERBARROW</persName> </hi>. I live at 139, Burbige Road, Peckham—I have been nearly eighteen years in Mr. Kemp's employ as clerk—on the death of Mr. Karslake's clerk I acted as head clerk to both him and Mr. Kemp—about eleven months ago the prisoner came into the employ as second clerk, at first he was paid soemthing like 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week for about two months, and after that he had 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week—he had a separate room and a desk in that room where he sat when he had writing to do—the blotting paper and desk belonged to him—I knew that Mr. Karslake had an account at Child's and that he was in the habit of drawing his cheques on blue draft paper—I did not as a rule fill up the body of the cheques for him to sign, I have done so—Mr. Karslake was not in the habit of putting the words "the sum of" on his cheques, I never remember his doing so—I should think I have not put in those words when I have drawn cheques for him—this cheque was first shown to me on Tuesday, 16th February—when I was passing through my room I showed the prisoner the cheque and said "This is the forged cheque"—I took the cheque back to Child's directly—I was not aware that the prisoner was married—no portion of this cheque is my writing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Mr. Kemp intimated to me that my services as joint clerk to himself and Mr. Karslake, so far as Mr. Karslake was concerned, would end at Michaelmas—I had not been reproved by Mr. Karslake—Mr. Kemp had reproved me for insobriety—I remember going into the room when Mr. Dashwood was making a comparison of the cheque with my baud-writing—I was last in the office that morning—Mr. Dashwood said that he charged me with writing the body of the cheque—I made some remark to him, he then said that our consciences would tell us—he had charged the prisoner with forging the endorsement—I said my conscience was perfectly clear, on the matter—I did not practice writing the initials of Mr. Karslake—my attention was never called to any blotting-paper with the initials E. K. K. on it—I never remember his pointing it out to me or my destroying it—I was not the worse for liquor on 16th February—the day I was taking the cheque back to the bank I might have had a glass of ale, but I was not intoxicated—I don't think I was affected by liquor at all on that day; I think I was one day between the 13th and 25th March—I am certain that I never burnt any blotting-paper, with Mr. Karslake's initials on at any time—I did not make any comparison between the writing on the cheque and my own writing when Mr. Dashwood was there—my attention was only called to the hand-writing on the cheque and on the blotting-paper, I said that the signature was not a bit like Mr. Karslake's, I rather chaffed the bank clerks for paying a cheque with so bad a signature—I did not show them any specimen of Mr. Karslake's signature—I have not frequently filled up the body of a cheque for Mr. Karslake to sign—I keep no record of the cheques I fill up—I have not examined a great number of Mr. Karslake's cheques since 25th March, I have not seen one.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I rather think I said that the clerk who cashed this cheque</p>
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<hi rend="italic">duffer</hi>—I don't remember what answer was made but I think the clerk who was there was rather cross about it—no imputation has been made upon my honesty, or any impropriety, except want of sobriety.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-84" type="given" value="EDWARD KENT"/>EDWARD KENT KARSLAKE</persName> </hi>, Q.C. I have chambers with Mr. Kempat 4, Stone Buildings—since 1845 I have kept an account at Messrs. Child's bank—for the last twenty-five years I have been in the habit of drawing cheques on blank paper—no portion of this cheque was written by me or with my authority—I should say it is not at all like my signature, it is much too upright, I call it very clumsy—I know Leatherbarrow's handwriting well, he has been my clerk for two or three years—I won't say that no portion of the cheque is in the least degree like his writing, but I don't recognise any similarity.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I had noticed a want of sobriety in Leatherbarrow and had complained to him of it—I should say several months ago, call it four months, for the first time—I repeated the complaint once or twice afterwards; I am happy to say it has not happened often—there would be several of my signatures to papers in my chambers in my drawers, nearly all of which are kept open, and a great many with my initials E. E. K. on briefs—I have very rarely employed Leatherbarrow to fill up the body of cheques; four times a year he has done it for rent to Mr. Kemp, but probably not more than three or four times besides, if so many—I was present when Mr. Dashwood found the blotting paper—some one in my presence pointed out to the pri
<lb/>soner the close resemblance between the cheque and what was on the blotting paper, and he practically admitted that it was blotted on that paper; he also said most positively, without faltering in the least, that he did not know how it was done and that someone else must have done it—I think it was at this interview that Mr. Dashwood said that the body of the cheque was in the handwriting of Leatherbarrow; I think the words were uttered by Mr. Dashwood, but they may have been by Sergeant Outram—I don't recollect anything being said about the endorsement—the policeman and Mr. Dashwood did not leave and return in quarter of an hour—it was Leather barrow's duty to be there before the other clerks, but on that occasion the prisoner came first, and therefore it was that he was shown the cheque and blotting paper, before Leatherbarrow came—as soon as Leatherbarrow came I showed them to him and asked him if he could accout for it—the policeman went into some of the other rooms, and he and Mr. Dashwood were looking for papers, but I should say none of them left for the best part of an hour—I was not present when the prisoner was taken into custody and had nothing to do with his being taken.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I had always found Leatherbarrow most thoroughly honest. George Lionel Dashwood. I am a cashier in the employ of Child and Co. of Temple Bar, with whom Mr. Karslake keeps an account—on Satur
<lb/>day, 13th February, a Mr. Butler was in the employ as a cashier—he-has since left; he has retired in consequence of delicate health—we have two tills out of which cheques are paid, which are common to all the cashiers—there is also a book in which entries are made as cheques are cashed—when cheques are cashed they are put behind the actual till itself from which the monies are paid—I was at the bank on Saturday, 13th February—I did not myself take the balance of cash at 2 o'clock that day, I saw the result in writing; we draw the line at that hour—I found this forged cheque in the counting-house, it was in the hands of a gentleman, who was about to post it to Mr. Karslake's account—it was the duty of Mr. Butler to enter it in this book (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), it was his book in fact; if he was busy he might say</p>
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<p>to me "Write off this draft for me in my book," quite independently of who cashed it—the cheque would be placed behind the till before it was entered in the book, it would lie there perhaps for a
<hi rend="italic">few</hi> minutes—I find an entry in this book in the handwriting of Mr. Butler. (
<hi rend="italic">Mr. Besley objected to this entry being received as evidence of uttering, in the absence of the person who made it. Mr. Straight would not press the uttering but would proceed upon the forgery.</hi>) I found the cheque on Tuesday, 16th—directly I found it I went to the chambers of Mr. Karslake—I had not been there prior to that—I found the prisoner sitting there at a desk in a room by himself—between that day and the 24th I was having inquiries made and making inquiries myself in reference to this matter—on the 24th I made a search at the desk at which I had found the prisoner sitting, and in the blotting pad on the desk I found this sheet of blotting paper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—on the morning of the 25th I went again to the chambers with the detective sergeant Outram, and in Mr. Karslake's presence saw the prisoner there, and showed him the forged cheque and the blotting paper; I held the blotting paper up to the light for him to see it—I told him that the cheque was a forgery and that the writing on the blotting paper was a
<hi rend="italic">fac simile</hi> of part of it, and I asked him how he accounted for that—I told him that I had found it in the middle of the pad at his desk—he said he did not know anything about it—Leather barrow came in shortly after and his attention was called to the blotting paper and the cheque, the prisoner was present—I told Leatherbarrow that I was under, the impression that the endorsement John Barnes was in hand of the prisoner, but that the writing on the face of the cheque I fancied was in his hand—he denied all knowledge of it also—at that time I had only a knowledge of Leatherbarrow's handwriting from what I had seen on the previous evening—I had seen some of the prisoner's writing to four or five documents, which have been produced, marked A, &c.—on Easter Tuesday I searched a coat of the prisoner that was hanging in his room, and in the pocket found the paper marked C, an application form for a loan.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> That was after the prisoner was in custody—I told Leatherbarrow that I thought the body of the cheque was in his hand writing—I did not use the words "I charge you with forging the cheque, and God and your own conscience know that I am speaking the truth"—I said "Your own conscience will tell you whether you have done it"—I said "I think the handwriting on the face of the cheque is yours"—I had found the blotting paper the night before—I did not compare the lines of the cheque with the blotting paper; it was so before my mind—I had not the cheque in my pocket at the time, but I found the impression a
<hi rend="italic">fac simile</hi>—I compared the writing on the face of the cheque with Leatherbarrow's in my own mind only, that was what made me say "I think;" I had not had possession of his writing previously—I carried it in my mind as it were—the night I found the blotting paper I had access to the chambers by Mr. Karslake's permission, and I saw one of Leatherbarrow's books, and I fancied then for the first time that the writing on the face of the cheque was his—I went to the chambers for the purpose of seeing whether there was a resemblance of the handwriting; that was the first occasion on which I examined any handwriting of Leatherbarrow's, and at the same time I ex
<lb/>amined some handwriting of the prisoner's—I had made up my mind some days before that the endorsement was the prisoner's writing—I had not seen Leatherbarrow's handwriting before I found the blotting paper—I hud not come to the conclusion that the face of the cheque was not the pri
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<lb/>fectly certain that the body of the cheque was written by the same hand as the endorsement, and I think the signature is by the same hand—I am almost perfectly certain that the whole was written by the same person—I have compared the signature of the forged cheque with the signature of Mr. Karslake—I did so on 16th February—I looked up an old cheque of Mr. Karslake's—my nephew was with me when I found this blotting paper; it was not a pad, it was a quire of blotting paper, each sheet loose; this sheet was in the middle—I have not got the other sheets here; this was one of the middle sheets, and there was nothing else on it but this; I examined carefully—there were heaps of clean sheets.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> On 12th February, I left chambers at 7 o'clock—Mr. Leatherbarrow went away with me; he always does—I have the keys of the chambers—Leatherbarrow has also a key.</p>
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<hi rend="italic"/>" Is this your handwriting?"—he said "Yes"—I called his attention to the similarity of the endorsement on the cheque with that handwriting—he said "It looks like my handwriting, but I know nothing about it"—I then went with Mr. Dashwood to the bank, and afterwards returned and took the prisoner into custody—I said "You are charged Merry with forging this cheque, you will have to go with me to Fleet Street Police Station"—I think he again said that he knew nothing about it, and when the charge was read over to him at the station, he said "I have nothing to say, I know nothing about it"—he said he had had enough of trouble—I found a letter on him dated 21st February—he said "You will see by that, Mr. Outram, that I have been married again"—at that time he was residing at 5, Templeton Road, Highbury Vale—I went there on the Thursday evening and searched his bedroom—I found eleven".</p>
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<p>bills there, amounting in the aggregate to 43
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., which appeared to have been paid between 15th and 20th February—on the day of the re
<lb/>mand I showed him those bills, and told him where I had found them—as to the account for 31
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. I said "I have made inquiries at this ad
<lb/>dress, John, and find that this bill has been paid by your wife in gold"—he said "I handed to my wife 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in gold about three weeks before she left her situation"—I said "How do you account for the money?"—he said "I received 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. as commission for buying a house for Mr. Dellow," a person that the prisoner and I know well—I found on him 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., several keys, and the letter produced.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> He was married on 21st February—I have known him many years—I have seen his wife—I produce the bill for 31
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. odd; it is for household furniture—he did not say "I have had no money since my mar
<lb/>riage, and if you had asked my wife she would have told you that I gave her what money I could scrape together four weeks before we were married"—after the remand he said "I wish you had asked her about the money before, when you saw her the first time"—I did ask her, and I told him "Your wife said all the money she had when she was married was 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of her own money"—I saw a deposit note at his house for a watch and chain—his wife said it was her chain and his watch—it was pawned some time in March, I think—he did not tell me that he had been trying to raise more money for the purpose of buying more furniture, or borrowing money from his sister.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-88" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES HAWKEY</persName> </hi>. I am assistant salesman to Messrs. Turner, of High Street, Islington, furniture salesmen—this is one of our invoices—the goods mentioned there were ordered of me by a man on 15th February—I have no distinct recollection of the prisoner—they were afterwards paid for in gold.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> They were paid for by a female, I have not seen her since—I can't say that I have any recollection of the person who selected the goods, the bill was paid on the 17th, two or three days after the goods were selected.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-89" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES CHABOT</persName> </hi>. I carry on my business at 27, Red Lion Square—I am an expert in handwriting—I have had a very large experience in the comparison of handwriting for about twenty years—I have had certain documents submitted to me in this case—I have looked at the forged cheque and at the documents A, B, C, D, E and F in the handwriting of the prisoner and in my opinion the same hand that wrote those documents wrote the forged cheque—the capital "B" in "Barnes" in the endorsements the cheque is as nearly as possible identical with the "B," in the name of a firm in the docu
<lb/>ment marked D, the strong point about it, independently of its general form is the manner in which it is terminated very distinctively by a loop—the "B" in document "
<hi rend="italic">D</hi>" is terminated in the same manner, also the "B" in document F in the same word "Barnes "and in the word "Barristers" in document C there is a peculiar habit of forming the B which the prisoner seems to have—then the small "h "in "John "in the endorsement to the forged cheque, is formed in an unusual manner, particularly the final part of it, and in the same word "John" in document C the "h" is formed in the same manner—the letter "n" in "John "and "London "in the cheque is terminated by a long up stroke, curved the wrong way, and in document C the "n" in "Tem
<lb/>pleton" is terminated in the same way—the letter "m" in the word "sum" in the cheque is terminated more distinctly in that remarkable manner, and</p>
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<p>again in "William" in document C—the letter "a" in "Barnes" is to my mind almost identical with the "a" in "Barristers" in document C, in both instances the loop is open at the top—the "o" in the abreviation "Co." in the forged cheque has appended to it a long dash in a similar manner to the "o" in the word "no" in document C—then the well-rounded letter "l" in "Child "in the cheque is like the "l" in the word "children" in paper marked B—the "f" in the word "five" in the cheque is looped above the line and below the line, and is like the "f" in the word "of" in the eleventh line of paper B—in the cheque beneath the abreviation "th" of the date, and beneath the abreviation "rs" in "Messrs." there are two firmly written lines, very short, and similar marks of abreviation, with precisely the same touch of hand, apparently to my mind made by the same hand, occurs in document C in the abreviation of the date "17th of March," and under the "re" of "Esquire," they correspond exactly—those are the principal points, there are minor matters besides—the endorsement is most like the prisoner's ordinary hand writing, I think the writing on the face of the cheque is assumed, and I will tell you why, the prisoner invariably forms his small letter "r" with its shoulder to the left—all the "r's" in these documents are found with the shoulder to the right with one exception, one inadvertence where it is in his natural hand, and that is the earliest "r" in "February" which is very well represented by the "r" in the abreviation respec'vely in docu
<lb/>ment B.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was not examined at the Police Court—I was first asked to look at this writing I think the day after Good Friday, I then gave no opinion—I had not then received all the documents to which I now refer—I can't recollect what I had, I had A and B, I don't know about the others—it was not till I had this document C, that I was perfectly satisfied it was the prisoner's handwriting—I at first said I was not satisfied, and would not give an opinion—all the matters in A and B, were not sufficient to justify my giving an absolute opinion, not sufficient to justify me in appearing against the prisoner—when I saw the document C, I said at once, "Now, I am perfectly satisfied"—I think I saw that on the following Monday—I did not see Mr. Dashwood—I have seen no one but Mr. Billing—I have had no documents before me except those to which I now refer—I was aware that the prisoner was in custody on a charge of forgery, and that he was to be examined before the Magistrate—after I had seen documents A and B, I did not attend at the Police Court—I should think I was about half an hour examining document C—I came to a con
<lb/>clusion before I had it in my hand half an hour, but when I had examined it I was perfectly satisfied—I drew up my report on 2nd April, last Friday, the marks under the "th"
<hi rend="italic">is not</hi> a very strong ground upon which I came to a conclusion—I should not come to a conclusion upon anyone ground taken by itself—some of the grounds are stronger than others—I have not weighed their relative strength—l take them cumulatively; the "h "is rather a strong point, the last turn of it is absolutely angular—I don't know that the writing on the face of the cheque is simulated; the endorse
<lb/>ment is very nearly a natural hand; I don't know about its being absolutely the or dinary hand of the prisoner, but it is very much like, the hand in document C—the "John Barnes" seems to me very nearly like the natural hand of the prisoner, as nearly as possible—there is nothing to indicate that it is not a natural handwriting, it is the same stamp of hand as that on document C, but larger—I don't know that I can point out any</p>
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<p>difference—I don't know anything about the signature; I would not swear whether it is, or is not written by the same hand—I have not troubled about it; the only thing I should remark about it is that the up-stroke in the final "e" in Karslake has the same character as the final up-stroke in the letters "m," and "n"—I have been examined and cross-examined a great many times.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">G. L. DASHWOOD</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). Mr. Butler, left the bank somewhere about 13th March—I think it may have been about the 9th—I think he has gone to the seaside—he had been feeling unfit for some time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-90" type="given" value="MARTHA ELIZABETH ELLEN"/>MARTHA ELIZABETH ELLEN MERRY</persName> </hi>; I am single, and am the prisoner's sister and live at 6, Canning Road, Highbury, with my father, who is pen
<lb/>sioned from the City of London Police Force—I knew my brother's present wife before he married her—she was in service at Cambridge Cresent, Notting Hill—I knew of their engagement six months before they were married—I went about with her to purchase articles; I can't say the time—I did not see any money in her hand—I saw her on Monday, 31st January; she said she bad some money, I did not see it—I can't say how much she expended while I was with her; she bought several things at several shops while I was with her—I was with her at Messrs. Turner's—I can't tell when that was; the goods were sent to my brother's residence that same night—I was present when they were paid for, the same day—I saw his wife pay for them; I can't remember what she paid—she did not tell me where the money came from—I lent my brother 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. the night before the wedding, which was on 21st February, I paid for the carriages with my own money—I know that my brother had been saving his money with the object of getting married—I have not seen him in possession of money, he was living at home up to that time—I know of a gold watch and chain being pledged on 13th March, that was to raise some money to purchase some articles of furniture.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> His salary was 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a-week, he had taken a house in Templet on Road, at a rent of 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year—4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was the only sum I lent him—I know of his having some transaction with a Mr. Dellow, in reference to a house, that was in September, 1873.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> From that time to his marriage he had been careful, living at home at no expense—he used to give me 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week, out of which I gave him 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I used to give him a 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. one morning, and 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. another to pay his railway fare to the city.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-91" type="given" value="FRANCES"/>FRANCES BRYANT</persName> </hi>. The prisoner's first wife was my daughter—I have given him a good deal of money from time to time, and clothing as well.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, April</hi> 6
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750405-252-offence-1 t18750405-name-100"/>Henry Pond</persName> and stealing from his person one ring and 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., his property</rs>.
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DIXON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Newton.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-101" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY POND</persName> </hi>. I am an ironplate worker—on 21st March, about 11.15 a.m. I was very drunk in the Mile End Road, but I should have got home all right if I had not been interfered with—I was knocked down and robbed of 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and a gold ring—I saw the prisoners there; they were surrounded by others.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I should not like to swear who robbed me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-102" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY MORPHET</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 243). On 21st March I was in the Mile End Road, about 11.15 p.m., but was not on duty—I followed a gang of fifteen or twenty persons who were behind the prosecutor—I saw them make a movement and throw him down, and saw Newton rifling his pockets while he was down; Wilson was helping to hold him down—Newton took his hand from Pond's pocket and handed something to someone standing by—I know the prisoners by sight as being associated with a gang of thieves—the gang—then separated, I watched my opportunity and seized the pri
<lb/>soners, saying "I must take you into custody for robbing a man;" they said they had not done it—I handed Williams to another constable—I found 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in Newton's pocket.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. I have been in the police about fifteen months—I do not know that I have made an observation "it is very wrong"—the prisoners had only got half a dozen yards from the spot when I seized them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Newton.</hi> I have not said that I
<hi rend="italic">thought</hi> you took something from the prosecutor.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-103" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-103" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-103" type="surname" value="ROZENGRAVE"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-103" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN ROZENGRAVE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K R</hi> 37.) About 11.15 on this night Wil
<lb/>son was pointed out to me, he was assisting several others to rob Pond—he was given into my custody and I found 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on him—Pond was drunk but he could get along very well.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. He was so drunk that he said that he had lost nothing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi> to
<hi rend="smallCaps">H. POND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How much had you in your pocket before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I had 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in a little bag, which was put aside for a holiday on Good Friday, I lost that bag and all—a ring was taken off my finger and a piece of my finger was taken off in getting it—I had 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. besides the money in the bag and I had 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. when I got home.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Wilson says</hi>: "I came out of the White Horse at 11 o'clock and walked down Jubilee Street with Newton and met a
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi>—I saw a
<hi rend="italic">row</hi> about a drunken man, I went back to my friend and stood talking to him, when the policeman came up to me as we were going home. At the station the prosecutor said be came out with 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and had 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. then; he said he did not know us."
<hi rend="italic">Newton says</hi>: "I was with Wilson; we crossed over to a mob about the drunken man, and as we were walking back they stopped us."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Newton's Defence.</hi> I am a hard working lad, apprenticed to Mr. Russell, a waterman, who will give me a character, and so will my father. I went down Whitechapel Road that night with this young man, and we were going home when we were laid hold of.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-106" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-106" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-106" type="surname" value="COULSON"/>
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<hi rend="italic">Artemis</hi>, lying in Millwall Docks—on 31st March, about 1.15 I was in the Commercial Road; it was after midnight—I was making water, and the prisoner came up and placed himself close to my elbow—I felt him touch my left side—I looked down and saw my watch guard hanging and no watch to it—I said "You have got my watch"—he said "I have not"—he ran away down the road, and I ran and caught him 30 yards off without losing sight of him—two men came up and said "Let the man go, he has not got your watch"—I was not calling out about my watch, but I had said that to the prisoner just before the men came up—they struck me on the head and knocked me down, but I still held the prisoner; we both got up again, and they knocked me down again, and the prisoner fell too, but I did not loosen my hold of him—I got up again and received a severe blow—I fell again, and lost hold of the prisoner, who ran away, and the other two men also—I could not see which way he went, I was so stunned with the blow—a constable came, and I gave information, and the prisoner was brought back in custody ten minutes afterwards—I said "That is the man that stole my watch"—he said "I am not the man"—I have not the least doubt of him—my watch was safe twenty minutes or half an hour before; the guard was round my neck, it being below my waistcoat—it was not hanging down when I undid my trousers—I had been with a lady before that, and had not parted with her a minute.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I was not struggling with a woman at the corner of Cannon Street to
<hi rend="italic">get</hi> away from her—she did not want me to go home and sleep with her—I did not promise to meet her at 11 o'clock next day—I had been with her an hour, and we had been to a private house—I never struggled with her.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> She had been stewardess on my ship over nine months, but has left since Christmas—she is not such a person as the prisoner de
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-107" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD COOPER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 99). Shortly after 1 o'clock in the morn
<lb/>ing, I was on duty in the Commercial Road—Coulson spoke to me, and I went in search of the prisoner through several streets—I saw him with two others not in custody, in Essex Street, and followed them to Charlotte Street and Fieldgate Street—one man ran away; I then ran and took the prisoner—I told him it was for stealing a watch from a man—he said "What do you take me for? I have done nothing"—I took him back and met Coulson in William Street—he said "That is the man who stole my watch"—the prisoner made no reply—I took him to the station, but found nothing re
<lb/>lating to the charge—the skin was off his right elbow, and his coat was very dirty, as if he had been down in the road—the female is here.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-108" type="given" value="JANE"/>JANE WILLIAMSON</persName> </hi>. I am married, and am a stewardess—on 31st March I met Mr. Coulson at our house, and walked with him to Morgan Street—he said that he would go a little way back with me, and would be with me</p>
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<p>directly—I turned to look and found ho had gone—I then saw a disturb
<lb/>ance, and saw two or three people on the ground—I had made no disturb
<lb/>ance, nor had I pulled him about.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> This is not the woman who was with him, the woman with him wore a hat and a Paisley shawl. Does it stand feasible that if I had been concerned in the robbery I should not have run away as the other two-men did. I was walking quietly with my hands in my pockets, and he came up and said "I want that man's watch." My clothes were as clean as they are now. The woman could hardly hold the man up.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-109" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD COOPER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). Coulson was perfectly sober, and so was the female.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-253-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with a previous conviction of felony at Clerkenwell in November</hi>, 1868,
<hi rend="italic">to which he</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>**—
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM CRABBE</hi> (22)</persName>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750405-254-offence-1 t18750405-name-114"/>John Hill</persName>, and stealing therein 1,000 postage stamps, and other articles, his property.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SIMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended George</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Crabbe.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-115" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-115" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-115" type="surname" value="HILL"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-115" type="given" value="AMELIA"/>AMELIA HILL</persName> </hi>. My father lives at 10, Castle Street, Oxford Street—I was at his house on 14th March, and went out with him to church at 6.48, leaving no one in the house, which was locked up quite secure—I returned with my sister at a few minutes before 9 o'clock—I rang the bell expecting to see Mrs. Hill open the door if she had got home first, but three men opened the door and came out; they were George and William Crabbe, and Keating—they went quickly down Castle Street; it was more of a run than a walk—I went into the house, and my sister fetched a policeman—a cab stood near the door, and Jones and another man stood by it—I did not speak to Jones—they were both on the ground and not on the box—I asked the other man for his number; he said that if I wanted his number I was to go round to the back of the cab, and I did so, and gave it to the constable—they went away walking, not in the cab—my sister came with a constable, and I went into the house, and everything was ransacked and turned out in the shop—I missed 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of postage stamps—the shop is not a post-office.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. METCALFE</hi>. I rang the bell because I had no key—that is a light corner; there is a public-house opposite—I was close to the men when they came out—I stood on the door step—it was not long: that I saw their faces—my sister was by my side—I believe I heard her; say at the Police Court that, to the best of her belief, George Crabbe was one of the men.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jones.</hi> I asked somebody in the crowd to lend me a pencil, but I cannot say that it was you—I can swear that you were there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by William Crabbe.</hi> I am positive you are one of the men.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Only two persons were there when I rang at the bell, and Jones was one of them—the light was full in the faces of the men who came out at the door—I have no doubt as to the identity of either of them.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-116" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-116" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-116" type="surname" value="HILL"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-116" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA HILL</persName> </hi>. I live at 3, Masborough Terrace—on the evening of 14th. March, I met my sister and went home with her at a few minutes before 9 o'clock; she rang the bell, and in a few minutes I heard the bolt drawn,</p>
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<p>and out rushed William and George Crabbe and Keating—I have no doub of them—I went for a policeman, and when I came back I saw Jones and another man outside the house and a cab going away—on the next Monday I went to the station; some men were put together, and I picked out George Crabbe, Keating, and Jories.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. METCALFE</hi>. I said at the Police Court, that George Crabbe, was one of the men to the best of my belief—I have become a little more positive since—I am positive he is the man—I can positively swear it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I said at the station "to the best of my belief"—I spoke to the best of my belief then and now.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-117" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-117" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-117" type="surname" value="HILL"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-117" type="given" value="EMMA MATILDA"/>EMMA MATILDA HILL</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of John Hill, a stationer, of 10 Castle Street, Oxford Street—on the evening of 14th March, I left the house safely locked up at a few minutes before 7 o'clock—I returned at a few minutes before 9 o'clock, and found the door broken open—the house in disorder and two chests of drawers in the bedroom ransacked—I missed 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of postage stamps—I have seen Henry Jones in our shop several times.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Jones.</hi> You came on errands for your master, Mr. Barnard, the artist's colour man—I also know Keating, as an errand boy in Wells Street.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-118" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18750405-name-118" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-118" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN CROOK</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman Inspector. E</hi>). I was called to this house about 9 o'clock, and found that an entry had been made by the front door, being broken open, and the lock damaged—the shop, parlour, and bedroom were ransacked, and everything strewed about—I received a description of the men who rushed from the door from which I suspected the prisoners and went in search of them—I went next morning, Monday, to 9, Wards Place, between 7 and 8 o'clock, and found Keating and Jones in bed—I told them I should have to take them in custody for breaking into a shop in Castle Street on Sunday night—they both said "You have made a mistake"—we took them to the station, placed them with others, and the witnesses selected them out, and also George Crabbe, who had been apprehended—we searched them, but found nothing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>. I assisted in getting the people together in the station—they were not constables, they were lads of about their own size, age, and description of dress—they wore coats and jackets—I do not know that some of them had smocks—the description given to me was that one was wearing a brown overcoat with very pale facings, and that they wore
<hi rend="italic">billy cock</hi> hats.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by Keating.</hi> You were not put with people with hardly any shoes or stockings, or clothes to their backs.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18750405-name-119" type="witnessName">
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 262). On 14th March, about 11p.m., I went to 24, Sewell Street, and found George Crabbe—I told him I was a police officer, and that he would have to come with me to the station for identification—he said that he knew nothing about it, he would come to the station, and he did so—I took William Crabbe, on the 16th, in Seven Dials—I saw him with another man and told him I was a police officer, and he would have to come with me to George Street station—he said "What for?
<hi rend="italic"/>"—I said "For identification"—he said "My name is not Crabbe. my name is Morgan and I shall not come"—I took him; the other man said "
<hi rend="italic">Post Jim</hi>" and he took hold of a lamp-post—he said on the way to the station "I will not deny my name is Crabbe"—he was put with other. men and identified by Emily and Louisa Hill.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by George Crabbe.</hi> It was 4 o'clock in the morning when I took you.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by William Crabbe</hi>, I do not know the meaning of "
<hi rend="italic">post</hi>," but you took hold of the lamp-post when he said it.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 65). On 14th March, between 4 and 5 o'clock p.m., I saw Keating Jones and W. Crabbe, in Foley Street, Middlesex Hospital—I knew them all—they went in the direction of Castle Street.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-121" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED BROWN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 194). On 14th March, about 6.50 p.m., I was on duty and saw the four prisoners with another man, they walked towards Wells Street—I did not follow them, I stood at the corner and saw Jones go to Castle Street Mews and stop there—George Crabbe and the other men went down Oxford Street towards Wells Street, and a few minutes; afterwards George Crabbe and the other men came up Berner's-Street—I was then leaning against the rails of a public-house, and George Crabbe came close to me and looked me in the face, he was then with the man who is not in custody, and he turned sharp round and walked away with him—I followed William Crabbe and Keating through Oxford Market, Recent Street, Picca
<lb/>dilly Circus, Leicester Square, and Lisle Street into Dean Street, Soho, when I lost sight of them suddenly at about 7.40—I knew them by sight, as I have had two of them in custody—I was with Lane when they were taken—Jones said that he had not been in Castle Street on Sunday, but I saw him there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. METCALFE</hi>. I was standing in Castle Street, opposite No. 10, when George Crabbe came up to me—I have no doubt he knew me by sight—I joined the police on 3rd July, 1871—I have not been in this Court befere.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Jones.</hi> I deny saying that I was not in Castle Street on Sunday night—I was not with you I was with Inspector Cooper.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> You were with me and you did say so.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. George Crabbe says</hi>: "I deny the charge."
<hi rend="italic">Jones says</hi>: "I do not deny being in Castle Street on Sunday, but I know nothing about the affair."
<hi rend="italic">Keating says</hi>: "I was in doors with my mother from 7 to 10 o'clock I then left my mother's and went to my lodging—I did not go further than Euston Road."
<hi rend="italic">William, Crabbe says</hi>: "I was at Maiden Lane and am innocent of the charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for George Crabbe.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-122" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS ORAN</persName> </hi>. I know George Crabbe—I live at 35, Saville Street, and he lives in the same street, I don't know the number—on Sunday 14th March, I invited him to my place at 5.30, and he came—my wife was there and two or three young men, one of whom is named Finn—we remained at my house till 7.45, and then went to a public-house at the corner of Tich-field Street and Union Street, Mr. Sutton's—we remained there from 8.30 till 10 o'clock, and then he left my company—he being a teetotaller drank either gingerbeer or lemonade—he never left my company from 5.30 to 10 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">SIMS</hi>. I have worked regularly at a printing office from September 8th, 1873, every day, it is Mr. Brettell's—I know a carver and gilder named Ward—I know
<hi rend="italic">Trickey</hi>—I have known George Crabbe for the last twelve months, he has been at my place twice during that time—we had tea at 5.30, and after that we were talking together, the other young men who were there cannot come because they had to go to their work—there were five or six of us altogether—my nick name is
<hi rend="italic">Coaley</hi>, because I work at a coal shop—my name is printed
<hi rend="italic">Coaley</hi> as a vice-chair
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<p>—I presided as vice-president at a benefit for George Ward on March 20th, the man was out of work and it was a friendly meeting—I did not know that he had been in custody—I was not a friend of his—it was a sub
<lb/>scription—I do not know John Nicholl better known as
<hi rend="italic">Bluey</hi>—I was not at a friendly "
<hi rend="italic">lead</hi>" for him on Saturday March 27th—I do not know any
<lb/>thing about this card (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—when I have been out of work my friends got me up a friendly "
<hi rend="italic">lead</hi>"—I know nothing of a friendly "
<hi rend="italic">lead</hi> "on March 20th, 1875, for the benefit of
<hi rend="italic">Pat Willis</hi>, I do not know him—I know nothing of a "
<hi rend="italic">lead</hi> "for William Harper's benefit—I do not remember a friendly meeting at the Three Tuns, Moor Street, Soho—I have never to my knowledge attended friendly "
<hi rend="italic">leads</hi>" for the benefit of men who have been convicted, I did not know that
<hi rend="italic">Trickey</hi> was in trouble—I knew him by working for a carver and gilder, and he asked me if I would do him a friendly aid and come up—I swear that I did not know he had been con
<lb/>victed of felony—Reuben Green is outside, he is down on this card as the chairman, and he was summoned as a witness—he was not at my house that night and I don't think he saw George Crabbe.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> All" these benefits have been for people with whom I worked or whom I knew, not for people who have been convicted—I don't associate with such persons; I have to work for my living—George Crabbe works for Mr. Welsh; he has been there eight or ten months—I have never heard any charge made against him before; I believe he has been in trouble for drunkenness, but not for felony.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know either of the other three prisoners?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have seen William Crabbe, and I have seen Jonea and Keating about the neigh
<lb/>bourhood; I have been in that neighbourhood twenty years—my child, five years old, was also present at the tea, and I have no doubt that if you put George Crabbe with twenty others she will pick him out—I heard that he was in trouble by reading it in the paper on the Saturday before he came up at the Police Court on the Monday and was fully committed—I went to the Police Court, offered myself in evidence, and my evidence was taken down Finn was also examined and my wife and child—we had bread and butter for tea—I live in the back kitchen—Finn came in first and Crabbe about ten minutes after him—Finn is an old friend of mine—I am sure that this party was Sunday, the 14th—Crabbe was taken on the 14th and remanded for a week, and when he came up again I was a witness—the party was on the Sunday fortnight before I went up.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-123" type="given" value="JANE"/>JANE ORAN</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Thomas Oran—I know George Crabbe—on 14th March he came to our place to tea; my husband had invited some friends; I remember the day by a little business I had—Finn came first, George Crabbe next, and the others afterwards—Crabbe remained from 5.30 to 8.30—I was sitting there the whole time—we then went to Sutton's public-house, and George Crabbe being a teetotaller had some lemonade or ginger beer, and we remained there till 10 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have known him about twelve months—I remember the date because I owed a little rent, and I paid three weeks' rent the next day—I got a receipt in the rent book, but that is not here—a young man named Gorham, a polisher, was also there and two or three more—Mr. Green is outside, but he did not come into my room to tea—I saw him in the public-house—I did not go with the others to the public-house, but followed soon afterwards, when I had put on my little girl's things—Green was not in my room, he only called just as I was going out, about 8.30; my</p>
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<p>husband had then gone to the public-house—I think Green looked in at the public-house door afterwards, but he did not remain—I do not know whether he spoke to my husband in the public-house, he went on ahead before me to my husband, but I did not see him when I got there—I think he was there two or three minutes—I do not know Ward better known as
<hi rend="italic">Trickey</hi>—I did not attend a meeting at the Bear and Rummer, in Mortimer Street, on March 30th—I heard that a policeman had been to my place when I came home from work—I did not
<hi rend="italic">go to</hi> the police Court on the Monday, but on the Monday following—that was a fortnight or a week after George Crabbe had been at my house—it was a fortnight afterwards; but I do not know the day of the month.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-124" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FINN</persName> </hi>. I live at 4, Little Weymouth Street—I was at Mr. Oran's on Sunday, the 14th—I cannot tell you how I fix the date—I went there about 5.15 to take tea with Mr. Oran and his wife—George Crabbe came in afterwards, and White and Manny; nobody else—I stopped till 8.30, when we went to take some drink at Mr. Sutton's—George Crabbe went with us, and Mr. Oran and his wife and little child, we all went together, all at the same time—we remained there till 10 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The public-house is at the corner of Titchfield Street, Langham Place, and Union Street—it is not very far from the Langham Hotel—this was a fortnight before I gave evidence at the Police Court—that was March 22nd, the day before that was Sunday, and it was the Sunday week before that—it was a fortnight before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Keating called.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-125" type="surname" value="KEATING"/>
<interp inst="t18750405-name-125" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA KEATING</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner Keating's mother—he lived with me up to two months ago—he did not live with me on Sunday, 14th March, but he came to my place that day, dressed himself, went away, came back to dinner, and went away again, came back at 7 o'clock, and remained till 9.45, when he left to go to his lodging, and I saw nothing of him till I I heard he was in trouble—he had a bad headache, and he was reading; he stayed with me as I was alone—I heard on the Tuesday that he was in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> That was the day after he was taken—there was a re
<lb/>mand from the 15th to the 17th, and I went to the House of Detention and saw him on the Tuesday—I knew that there was a remand till Wednesday, but I did not go and give evidence—I knew that there was a remand to the 22nd—I did not go to the House of Detention on the Tuesday that I heard he was in custody, it was the following Tuesday—I kept my bed during that time—I was ill—his brother asked him to go out on the Sunday—he was not too ill to go and give evidence, but he was at his work—his brother knew that he was charged with breaking into a house, but he is much younger; he is fourteen—I only have apartments; several other people live in the house, but they would not know whether my children are at home or out—my son always takes his meals at my house on Sundays—I took no particular notice of the date of this Sunday—he comes every Sunday to dinner—he was in the house from 7 to 10 o'clock—two little children were in the room, all the others had gone to school; my little girl may have been in, but she had to go back to her place—some of them had gone" to school, one four and one nine.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.—His brother would have to go out, but he bad a very bad head; as she came back again, that was at 7 o'clock, the bells were just going—he only went to the street door and came back.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Witness for William Crabbe.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-126" type="given" value="REUBEN"/>REUBEN GREEN</persName> </hi>. I am a stoker, and was last employed at 50, Tottenham Court Road—I have been out of employment six weeks; I left in February—I have known William Crabbe twelve months—I do not know where he lives—I met him on Sunday night, 14th March; I recollect the date pre
<lb/>cisely—I heard on the 17th that he was apprehended, but what for I did not know—I heard it in general conversation—I met him at the Great Northern station on 14th March at 7.30, and being acquainted with him by knowing his brother, we went into the Victoria Arms, at the corner of the York Road, and had something to drink, and then went up Pentonville Road and into the Penton Arms—I was with him from 7.30 to 11.30, and we parted at King's Cross Station again; I left him in the road—on 22nd March I went to the Police Court to give evidence, because I heard that he was taken for a robbery.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I do not often go to King's Cross Station on Sundays, but having no place to spend my time, I went for a walk—I live about twenty minutes' walk from King's Cross Station—I know George Crabbe and Mr. and Mrs. Oran and Fenn—I also know George Ward, better known as
<hi rend="italic">Trickey</hi>—I was at the harmonic meeting at the Bear and Rummer on 30th March—I swear that I do not know that George Ward is a convicted thief—I have been at one other friendly meeting for another person; he was not a friend of mine, but the card was put into my hand and I went—I knew that it was got up to relieve the man, he being in trouble—I knew it as a friendly
<hi rend="italic">lead</hi>—I heard about this in conversation with Finn and Manny, on the 17th, but I did not know then what the charge was—I did not see Finn or the Orans on the Sunday—I was not in Castle Street at all—I did not see Finn at all on the day that I was with Crabbe—I know it was the 14th, by it being Sunday—I have not looked at an almanack, I generally go by a paper—it being necessary to give my evidence, I recollect the date, it was a week before I gave my evidence—I did not speak to any one in the public-house—I have not been round to that house—no one is here who saw us two together on the night of the 14th.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. I never knew William Crabbe by the name of Morgan.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Jones' Defence.</hi> I live ten minutes walk from where it occurred. I saw a cab stopped at the corner of Berners Street, and I stopped to see the cause, and saw the policemen; one went inside the house and two stood in the road. Next morning I was taken out of bed. I had nothing to do with it.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi> </rs>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">KEATING</hi>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM CRABBE</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JONES</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months' Imprisoment.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM CRABBE</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each</hi> </rs>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, April</hi> 6
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-137" type="given" value="RICHARD HARDING"/>RICHARD HARDING ORTON</persName> </hi>. I am manager to Miss Fleming, a jeweller, of 1, Lower John Street, Golden Square—on the 13th February, the prisoner came there with a Mr. Collins—my assistant came to me upstairs, made a communication to me, and I went into the shop, where I saw Mr. Collins and the prisoner with some jewellery before them—Collins said that he had introduced that gentleman to purchase jewellery as he wanted some to give away, or words to that effect—and I looked over it, and saw what was being purchased, the transaction was all complete then, hut I did not know how I was going to be paid—presently, Mr. Collins whispered over to me, and said "It is all right"—the prisoner asked for a pen and ink, and pulled out a cheque-book—I looked at Collins, and Collins said to me directly "It is all right Mr. Orton, you can take this and get your money"—the jewellery was then handed to the prisoner, and he put it in his outside pocket—I said "I think you had better take better care of it than that"—he said "It will be all safe in my possession"—and he put his hand in his pocket and pulled out this pistol, and pointed it towards me—I said "I wish you would turn that another way, I am not particularly partial to having it pointed at my head"—he said "It's all safe in my hands, I am an old soldier in the Confederate Army," and he showed a wound which he had in his neck—previous to that I said "This cheque is crossed, please make it payable in cash"—he said "How am I to do that"—I said "Write across it pay cash, and sign your name"—Collins said "It's all right, take that down and get the money"—the prisoner turned round and said "Mr. Collins knows how I am come by my money," and Collins said "Yes, I have no doubt you will have further transactions with this gentleman when you have received the money for that"—the prisoner said he lived at Oak Lodge, Chislehurst, and he wanted the jewellery to make presents of—they went away, and I immediately got into a hansom cab, and went down to the Bank—the cheque was dishonoured—I allowed the prisoner to take the jewellery away because I had known Mr. Collins for twelve years living in the next street, and I placed con
<lb/>fidence in him as a man of honour, and that he would not introduce the prisoner to me unless he knew him—everything he said inspired me with confidence; in fact he said "Take the cheque down and get the money, no doubt you will have further transactions"—I relied entirely on Mr. Collins—I should not have trusted or taken a cheque from anyone—I should not have allowed the goods to go without the cheque—I looked upon the cheque as money, knowing Mr. Collins, because Mr. Collins brought him to me and introduced him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the Prisoner.</hi> I did not come into the shop until after the purchase of the goods—the purchase was completed, but not the delivery.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-138" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN BAKER</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Miss Fleming—on the 13th the prisoner came with Mr. Collins to our establishment—Mr. Collins said the prisoner</p>
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<p>wished to purchase some goods, and during their selection he told me it was all right, that he was a man worth thousands, and I could supply him with whatever goods he wanted—the prisoner gave his name and address "Colonel Danvers Guildford, Oak Lodge, Chislehurst"—when the transac
<lb/>tion was completed I called Mr. Orton to see to the pecuniary part of the matter—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are the goods.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-139" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GBORGE SAUNDERS</persName> </hi>. I am Manager of the West London Commercial Bank—on Thursday, 11th February, the prisoner called on me bringing this letter of introduction with him. (
<hi rend="italic">Read: ".</hi> 9, King Street, St. James, W. From Scott, Biddulph & Co. to the Manager of the West London Com
<lb/>mercial Bank, 34, Sloane Square. Dear Sir,—the bearer of this, Mr. Danvers Guildford, wishes to open a drawing account. He is resident now in England, having married an English lady, but was a colonel in the Con
<lb/>federate States Army in the last war. Yours faithfully, Scott, Biddulph & Co.") The prisoner said he wished to open an account, and told me about some large transactions he had with stocks, and asked me if I would allow him to deposit a box of jewellery with us if he opened an account—I said that we did so for our clients, and would be happy to do so for him—he produced this cheque for 1,050
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., signed "A. Lascelles"—I saw the pecu
<lb/>liarity of the endorsement, "Guildford "and "Danvers Guildford "under
<lb/>neath—that cheque was deposited with us, and I gave him a paying-in book and a cheque book—the entry in the paying-in book is my writing, "Vallantine, 1,050
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—Vallantine was the name of the cheque—the cheque was not cleared, and I put it there specially that it might not deceive any one—this cheque for 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is in the prisoner's writing, and that was pre
<lb/>sented—I did not know Scott, Biddulph & Co. personally—I knew them from their account, that was all—they had an account at the bank at that time—it has been closed since this trial commenced, by orders of my directors—I knew them as financial agents and money lenders—I knew that they had an account—I never knew that they did any financing at all—one of my clerks wrote "Not known" on the cheque.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the Prisoner.'</hi> I have been in the bank fifteen years—the paying-in book is exactly in the same state as when I gave it to you—I sent you notice of the dishonour of the cheque immediately we had it back. (
<hi rend="italic">The envelope containing the notice was addressed to</hi> "5,
<hi rend="italic">Thanet Place, Strand, W.C." and was marked "Gone away and left no address;" it was also addressed "Grand Hotel, Brighton," and had been returned through the dead letter office.</hi>) You gave me your address as Thanet Place; you told me you were lodging there—I did not know Mr. Pugh—you mentioned that Scott, Biddulph & Co. wished you to lend a client of theirs 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-140" type="given" value="GEORGE FRANCIS"/>GEORGE FRANCIS MARHAM</persName> </hi>. I am cashier to Messrs. Vallantine & Co., foreign exchange brokers and bankers, 173, Fenchurch Street—I don't know anyone of the name of Lascelles—I never saw the prisoner to my knowledge before I saw him in custody—no person of the name of A. Lascelles had any money at our bank—we never had dealings with such a person—a gentleman from the Cheque Bank called with the cheque—he said he was from the West End Branch of the Cheque Bank, and he was making inquiries respecting Lascelles—the cheque was refused—it was not endorsed because it was not presented to us regularly—there was no demand for money.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-141" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMBS CARTRIDGE</persName> </hi>. I am messenger at the West London Commercial Bank—I took the cheque to Messrs. Vallantine & Co., in Fenchurch</p>
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<p>Street—I handed it to the cashier in the usual way for cash—it was returned to me—no endorsement was made on it then.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-142" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PUGH</persName> </hi>. I live at 10, Cunningham Road, Shepherd's Bush—I am a cigar and wine merchant, wholesale and retail, and also carry on business as Scott, Biddulph & Co., at 6, King Street, St. James's, as financial agents—I became acquainted with the prisoner, between two and four months ago, in consequence of an advertisement I inserted in the news
<lb/>paper, under the name of Scott, Biddulph & Co.—there is no Scott, and no Biddulph, and no company—I merely trade under that name—I first saw this cheque of Vallantine, for 1,050
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the second hearing of this case at the Marlborough Street Police Court—I gave the prisoner the letter of introduction which has been read—I did. not know the lady—I knew that he had married an English lady, simply from his own statement to me some few weeks prior—he gave me a reference to Mr. Powis, who I had known years ago, and knew to be a highly respectable man—I did not write the letter of reference for that only, but he stated some few weeks before that he had in his possession upwards of 10,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of American Securities—I never saw them—I never saw a single 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of his—I only had his representations as to his means—I don't believe everybody or every
<lb/>thing they say.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the Prisoner.</hi> On the brass plate in St. James's it says, "Scott, Bid
<lb/>dulph & Co., Army agents," and the advertisement in the newspapers stated the same thing—I am not recognised at all by the War Office, but if any officer requires an exchange and applies to me for it I am capable of getting it done, and am very happy to receive my commission for it—I have not done such a thing directly, and I have never effected an exchange for officers—I am not known at the War Office at all—I have no need and I have no communication with them—the advertisement also stated that I was prepared to advance money to noblemen and gentlemen to any amount; I did advance money or I obtained it for them—I have advanced money—when you applied to me for the advance of money I told you I could not advance it, but a friend would if he was satisfied with the security you represented to me there would be no difficulty—I understood nothing about American Securities myself—I gave you a letter to Mr. Taylor, my solicitor, in Furnival's Inn—that was on the 16th January, possibly—I think that was the first occasion you saw me—it is quite true that I have been convicted—I was convicted of obtaining money on a cheque from a bank where I had paid 4,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in and out, and one of the cashiers owed me 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. at the time—I was tried at the Middlesex Sessions—the sentence was five years' penal servitude—I have not been convicted on any other occasion—I have been charged—it was years ago, a case of perjury in a suit—I was charged some years ago with obtaining money on a cheque; I was acquitted—I have visited your wife since you have been in custody, twice—I did not insult her on those occasions—I did not make her any improper overtures—I said—I should be very happy to be any assistance to her in obtaining her a situation if I could—in a very jocular manner I said "I am going to Portsmouth for a day or two will you take a run down," but without any design or intention—I did not make a proposal that a friend of mine would send her 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if she would be intimate with me—I swear that—I asked you to lend 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to clients of mine and said I would back the bill as they were so safe—I thought you would be in a position to lend me several hundreds—when I made that proposition to your wife she</p>
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<p>indignantly rejected it certainly, but I think if the lady was to be put into the box now she would say there was no design about it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. I deal in wines and spirits on commission, at 9, King Street, and I am a licensed for cigars from Somerset House—I have no license for wines and spirits—I don't require one—I merely sell on com
<lb/>mission—I hold a license in the name of Pugh for tobacco.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Detective Officer C</hi>). I apprehended the prisoner on a warrant at Thanet Place, Strand—I told him the charge, and he said "I don't know what I have done," or something to that effect—I said "I want that pistol you have"—he said "I will give it you"—I said "I prefer taking it"—he said "It is in my left hand pocket," and I took it out; it was loaded in six chambers—I took the cheque-book, the paying-in book, and other papers that were there to the station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> The revolver was in your left hand pocket, shut up in a case—you were walking home to your lodging in Thanet Place about 11.30 on Saturday—you did not make any resistance—you told me about the drawer of the cheque—you applied for a warrant against him at the first examination, but you could not
<hi rend="italic">get</hi> it, as you did not mention any person's name to the Magistrate—the Magistrate said you must wait till your committal—I think it is a common thing for Americans to carry revolvers in their pockets.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> He mentioned Lascelles as the drawer of the cheque; he said he gave him an address at Maiden in Essex, and that he wrote down there and did not get any reply; that the letter came back "Not known"—and he said there was another man, of the name of Smith, who was with him at the time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "I did not give the cheque to Mr. Fleming with a guilty knowledge; I was the dupe of others. I became acquainted with Scott & Co. through their advertisements. They declined my application for a loan, but subsequently, on my going to them and telling them I had got what I wanted and that I required to open a banking account, they gave me a letter of introduction to the bank in Sloane Square. I became acquainted with Collins in the same manner. When I showed him my paying-in book it had my address in it, as it now has; he saw or might have seen it, and he took it in his hands. I gave the Chislehurst address for no other reason than vanity. With regard to the endorsement being Guildford as well as my own name, I beg to say that was done in the presence of Mr. Hertz, the manager of the Cheque Bank, and of one of the cashiers in the Cheque Bank, Pall Mall. On taking the cheque he said 'This cheque is drawn in a very singular manner; it is simply payable to Mr. Guildford, there are no initials for Christian names.' I said 'Shall I endorse it Guildford and then put my own signature? He said 'Yes, that will do.' I did so. Subsequently the Cheque Bank gave me notice of the dishonour of the cheque. I made inquiries. I was told by a friend of the drawer that payment had not been advised. I immediately wrote to the manager of the bank and told him so. I requested him to present it again on the following Friday; he declined, and gave it back. In the following week, armed with the introduction of Scott & Co., I paid it into the Chelsea Bank. I pointed out to the manager the peculiarity of the endorsement. He said it was all right. I received no notice of dishonour, and presumed it was paid. I wrote all my own cheques, in perfect confidence they would be honoured, and in proof of this</p>
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<p>I gave my wife and mother about 260
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of cheques, which they have since withdrawn. If I had intended to rob Mr. Fleming of his jewellery, it stands to reason if I had known his cheque was dishonoured I would not have gone to Thanet Place, as it was known as my address, and also to Collins, for it is written in the paying-in book. My wife did not like to wear the jewellery, and it was arranged to go on Monday and change it. I had plenty of time to make away with the jewellery and myself if I had wished to be dishonest; I ask the Court to take this into their merciful consideration; No sane man fearing arrest and knowing he had committed a crime would have acted as I did. I gave the drawer of the cheque 1,100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for my bill at four months and 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in cash; the bill was drawn on a 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. stamp. On one occasion Lascelles called on me he was shown in my room. He was with me more than half an hour. Previously to this I had received from Lascelles a bill for 1,050
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., payable on sight. He took it away, and brought it back purporting to be signed by Vallantine & Co. He withdrew the former note and substituted the one in question. Mr. Collins was to receive 10 per cent, on the amount of my purchases with Mr. Fleming. I gave him a cheque for 13
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and some odd shillings, being his commission. It was of course dishonoured."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I can only say that I rely on my statement before the Magistrate.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., it might be more—I recognise Bond as one of the men—I saw the policeman catch him and bring him back with the boot in his hand—I went to the police-station and Selby was brought there—I could not recognise him, but I am quite clear about Bond—this (
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 281). I was on duty in Cable Street on the morning of 28th March, about 7 o'clock—I saw Selby standing at the door of the Great Eastern Chambers lodging-house—having the keys of a timber yard in my pocket, I went inside and watched about ten minutes—no one passed until the prosecutor passed—Selby gave a whistle and three men came running out, Bond and two others, and ran across towards the prosecutor—I heard him holloa out—I got out of the wicket gate and ran across towards the door, and was just in time to catch Bond, being the last of the three going in the door—one of them dropped the boot, I can't say' which—the prosecutor came over to me—his pocket was turned inside out—I told Bond the charge, and—he said "I know nothing about it, I was just walking along, going in"—I took him to the station; nothing was found upon him—I saw the boot drop as they were running in—I went into the lodging-house and apprehended Selby there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Bond.</hi> The three men passed me and there was not time to catch them—I was walking by and the policeman says "Make him one of them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> They were all three rushing in and I was just in time to catch the last one, and that was Bond.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Selby.</hi> I can swear I never whistled at all, and I was not there at the time.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to give him on the stairs, and she gave it him in my my presence.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for it on the Sunday, and said would he be kind enough to tell Mr. Paul that there was 2
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-161" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE BARKER</persName> </hi>. My father carries on business as a wine merchant and druggist, at 48, Bishopsgate Street—I am the manager—the prisoner has been a salesman in the drag department about three years—he had no right to take money, there was a cashier whose duty it was to take it—when the prisoner sold goods he would make out a duplicate invoice—from certain information I received on 17th March, I gave seven shillings to Davis, and he marked them—on the same afternoon I went with Davis to our place and saw the prisoner—I stood outside while the officer went in—he said "You have been selling some scent"—King denied it, and then he said it was no good trifling or something to that effect, and said "I shall search you"—King said "If you will come across with me I will show you," and Davis followed him—I could not see King take the money up, but he handed it to Davis—he then said "I have other money here I have taken"—he took his purse out of his pocket and I interrupted him—I said "We shall accuse you of this"—I said it was a shameful thing, and he went into a. long ex
<lb/>planation—these things produced are our property—some of them are labelled with our label, and the others are similar to what we have in stock—the prisoner had no authority to take any of those away—he did not buy them—the selling value of what the constable purchased was 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—these are our regular invoices.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">INWOOD</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi> 702). I assisted Davis in marking the seven shillings—I went on to 48, Bishopsgate Street with a young man named Batchelor—I saw the prisoner there, and in my presence Batchelor pur
<lb/>chased these two boxes of scents containing three in each box, for which he gave the prisoner three marked shillings—the prisoner did them up and gave. them to Batchelor—I afterwards purchased these six bottles for which I' paid the prisoner two marked shillings and he gave me a ticket to pay 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to the man over the counter downstairs—I did not pay the" 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—it was the prisoner's duty I believe to go down with me, but I left the prisoner's department and went right out of the house—I then went back to Davis.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-162" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN BATCHELOR</persName> </hi>. I went with Inwood on the 17th and purchased these two boxes—I paid for them with three marked shillings which I had received from Inwood—I had been in the prosecutor's employment but had left at</p>
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<p>that time—it was not the prisoner's duty to take money, he ought to have sent it down to the cashier.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner in his defence stated that Batchelor asked him for some cheap scents and said that his companion was going to open a small shop, and he let him have them for</hi> 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">as they had been in stock a long time, and that he made out the bill which had been produced, that the</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">they must have left on the counter as they went out rather hurriedly, and that he put it on the shelf with the intention of seeing Mr. Barker about it and that when the detective came in he pointed them out to him, but he had no intention of appropriating the money, and that the property which was produced had been given to him at various times ranging over three years by persons of whom they bought goods.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, April</hi> 7
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Brett.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MEAD</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. A. B. KELLY</hi>,
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<lb/>nesday, I was coming through Finch Street between 9.50 and 9.55,1 saw Caro
<lb/>line Mills—she told me that Dempsey wanted me—I said I did not want him—after that I saw Dempsey in Frostick Place, and Leary, Cullerty, and I should think about ten more at the other end of Frostick Place—Morris Cantor was with me—Dempsey asked me if I was going to fight him, I said I would not fight, and I went away—I saw Denis Maddigan and John Gray and Jenner come down Frostick Place, Dempsey again challenged to fight me, and I was about to fight him when Maddigan told me not to fight as he had got a white-handled knife in his right hand—I then saw the knife, and I told him I would not fight—Dempsey then made a rush at Maddigan with the knife in his right hand, holding it so</p>
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<hi rend="italic">chivs</hi> ready"—i then saw Cullerty with a knife in his hand, and I saw him make a stab at Maddigan—Maddigan stooped down, and the knife went over his head, and it struck his own friend Dempsey—Dempsey fell on his knees, got up again and cried "You have stabbed your own
<hi rend="italic">pal, Pudding</hi>"—Cullerty turned round and said "Have I, it can't be helped, I will have my temper out on some one else"—I then ran into the road, and before I had time to return I heard Gray say "I am stabbed"—I went over to him, and saw the prisoners all running up Frostick Place, and when they were half way up Frostick Place they said "Come on, we will put the knife into you"—I don't know who it was said that—I and Maddigan went and assisted Gray from the ground; he said "Keep your eye on that man, don't lose him whatever you do, it was him that stabbed me"—he pointed to Cullerty, he was then about a dozen yards up Frostick Place, he was behind the rest, and about a dozen yards off—Leary came back, and I saw him make a kick at Gray while he was on the ground—I did not hear him say anything, he went away after that—I did not see any of the prisoners stopped—we assisted Gray to Doctor Squires—I did not go to the hospital—I did not see Cain on the Wednesday night.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. I said at first that it was Leary, who knocked me down on the Tuesday, but that was a mistake, I pointed to Cullerty, I could not recollect his name—Frostick Place, is about two or three times as long as this Court—I did not go into the court on the Wednesday night—I was coming through Finch Street, the first time—it was in Frostick Place that the knives were used—the first time I was there was about 9.30—at that time I was living with my parents in New Montague Street, I am now living at a coffee shop in Osborn Street—I should not have to pass down Finch Street to get to New Montague Street—Frostick Place has an entrance at each end—I should not have to go through it to get to New Montague Street—I was coming from the whitechapel Road—I left work at 8 o'clock and had been for a walk—I went from Whitechapel Road down Osborn Street, and through Finch Street, Morris Cantor was with me, no one else—Caroline Mills was at the Finch Street end of Frostick Place—there was nobody else in the court that I could see at that time—I could see right through the court from end to end—Mills ran away, and then about fifteen were fetched back with her—I was not there three minutes—I was standing talking to Cantor, and when Mills came back there was a lot at the other end of the court—the Old Montague Street end—I did not know them, I never saw them before—they were none of the prisoners; the prisoners were at the Finch Street end—I walked about 3 yards away from the court, and was standing talking to Cantor in Finch Street—the three prisoners were then at the Finch Street corner of the court, and Mills was talking to Dempsey—I did not see anybody else—Maddigan and Gray came up together when we had been standing there about ten minutes—Dempsey wanted to fight me, and Maddigan told him he ought to be ashamed of himself to fight a lot of little boys like us—all that were there were bigger than Dempsey—Dempsey did not take his coat off—I did not see the knife in his right hand till Maddigan told me—he did not double his fist when he asked me to fight, he stood in that manner, with the knife under his coat, and said 'Come on, fight me now"—Maddigan was about half a yard from him—I</p>
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<p>was behind Maddigan—Maddigan did not knock him down before he made a rush at him with the knife—he came up to Maddigan like that (
<hi rend="italic">describing</hi>), and Maddigan up with his fist and knock him down—the others who were at the other end of the court stopped there; when they heard the prisoners repeat "Knives out and
<hi rend="italic">chivs</hi> ready "they all came up the court, that was before Gray was stabbed—I could not say how many people were round when Gray received the wound—there might have been from twenty to twenty-six people out of their doors—I did not know who any of them were except the prisoners and Mills, and the three men with me—I did not go into the court out of any harm—I did not know that the prisoners were going to be there—I was in the habit of coming through there every night, and nobody ever interfered with me before—I don't generally go through the court—I go through Finch Street every night—when I was called over to the court by Mills I did not expect that some of these men would be there—I did not know that there was going to be any row, it was all through the girl—she told me that Dempsey wanted me, and I said I did not want him—she began the row on the Saturday, there was no quarrel then, she spoke to us as she was going through the court, we were in Finch Street, on the opposite side of the way—the quarrel was on the Monday night, about Mills, it was not between me and Dempsey—there was no quarrel at all, only him telling me he would punch me on the nose; that was about Mills; that was at the corner of the court—I did not go into the court on the Tuesday night; I passed it and saw Dempsey and Mills at the corner—Cantor was with me—Wednesday night was the first time Maddigan had been there; I only knew him by sight before—I did not know Gray before—I did not see Dempsey bleeding—I heard him say that he was stabbed—I don't know what become of him afterwards—Jenner came up along with Gray, they were not with me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>. I saw Leary at the police-station—he was not then in custody—he walked to the station alongside the policeman, and as we were going along I told the policeman that he was one of them, Cullerty was then in custody—Leary went into the station himself and sat down beside me—I did not ask him whether he had seen Cullerty stab Gray—I did not say so before the Magistrate, it is a mistake—when Cullerty's name was mentioned by the policeman; I said to Leary "That's him"—that was all I said.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I did not see Cain there at all on the Wednesday night—I know him well—I saw him before the Magistrate, but I did not see him that night.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-168" type="given" value="DENNIS"/>DENNIS MADDIGAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 9, Flower and Dean Street, and am a fish porter—I am nineteen years old—on Wednesday night, 3rd February, between 9.45 and 9.50, I was going through Finch Street, no one was with me—I met John Gray going through Finch Street, he lodged in the same house with me, Jenner was with him—they stopped me, and Gray asked me to have some beer—after that I noticed a crowd at the corner of Frostick Place, Finch Street—we went up to the corner and saw the three prisoners and King and Cain standing against them—I knew Cain before, and King only by sight—Dempsey asked King to fight him, and he sparred with his left hand and in the right he had an open-bladed white-handled knife under his coat like that (
<hi rend="italic">with his hand to his shoulder</hi>)—when I saw the knife I said to King "No, you must not fight; he is too big for you"—with) that Dempsey would have put the knife into him; I</p>
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<p>saw his right hand move—he made a clout at him with his left hand and drew out the knife in his right from his coat, but I prevented him—I pushed him back, or else the knife would have gone through King—Dempsey then said to me "You can take it up if you like," and I saw the flash of a knife go across my head—he then cried out "Knives out," and Cullerty and Leary and a few more behind them said "
<hi rend="italic">Chivs</hi> already"—it was a general cry, meaning "Knives ready"—Cullerty then made a stab at me with a white-handled knife: it did not strike me—Gray pulled me away, and said "Look out, here is a knife"—I fell on my knees, and the knife went into his own friend Dempsey—I saw the knife in Cullerty's hand; I am quite sure of it, it was a white-handled one, the same as Dempsey's—it struck Dempsey somewhere on the shoulder, and he fell to the ground with the effect of the stab, and said "Do you know who you have stabbed? You have stabbed your own
<hi rend="italic">pal, Puddingy</hi>"—Cullerty said "It's done now and it can't be undone; I will have my revenge out, and put it into one of them for it"—with that he made another stab at me—Gray pulled me on one side a second time, and it went into Gray just here (
<hi rend="italic">the breast</hi>)—this is the coat I have on now that Gray was wearing; here-is the mark where the cut was—Gray fell to the ground—I put my hands round his waist and fell a-top of him—he said "I am stabbed," and pointing to Cullerty he said "Don't let him go"—I called on Jenner to get hold of Cullerty; I could not leave Gray—Jenner caught Cullerty by the head—he had a cap on—Jenner kept the cap and Cullerty got away from him—what happened then I do not know—there was a scrambling in the court with the three prisoners and Jenner—they all got away—Leary returned and made a kick at Gray while he was on the ground, but he kicked my forefinger; he kicked at his side—I assisted Gray to Mr. Squires' shop—he was not attended to there—we got a cab and took him to the London Hospital—he died shortly after he got there—he bled a good deal on the ground—I saw the three prisoners at the hospital—the two took their friend Dempsey there—Gray was between twenty-three and twenty-four years of age.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. Cullerty and Leary stopped at the hospital with Dempsey—he was kept there—Gray and I came up to the court together—at that time Cain was standing there by King—I could not say how far they were from one another—Cantor was there—I saw him after the row—I did not take any notice of him till we came to the station—at the time of the cry "
<hi rend="italic">Chivs</hi> a'lready" the three prisoners were there, and about fifteen behind them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I saw Jenner at the hospital with a cap, and Cullerty claimed it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-169" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD JENNER</persName> </hi>. I am a dock labourer, and live at Flower and Dean Street—on Wednesday evening, 3rd February, I was with Maddigan—I went with him to Frostick Place—John Gray was with me—I saw a large mob—I saw Dempsey, Cullerty and King—Dempsey stood challenging King to fight—Maddigan said "He is too big for you; he has got a knife in his right hand; don't fight"—I saw that Dempsey had a white-handled knife open in his right hand—he made a strike at Maddigan, who knocked him back with his fist—he then called out "Knives out;
<hi rend="italic">chivs</hi> all ready"—I did not hear anybody but Dempsey call out—Cullerty then made a stab at Maddigan—I saw a white-handled knife in his hand, open—Mad
<lb/>digan bobbed on one side, and it went into Dempsey's shoulder—he fell to</p>
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<p>the ground, and shouted out "Do you know what you have done? You have stabbed your own
<hi rend="italic">pal, Puddingy</hi>"—Cullerty said "Never mind, I can't help it; it's done now; I will have my temper out on some one now"—he made another stab at Maddigan—he was pulled on one side by Gray, and the knife struck Gray in the left side—he fell down—he was tried to be held up by Maddigan—he shouted out "Hold that man, don't lose sight of him, he has stabbed me"—he pointed to Cullerty—the prisoners ran away—I did not see either of them come back—I ran to Cullerty and
<hi rend="italic">collared</hi> him by the hair of his head—he bad a cap on—he then had the white-handled knife in his hand—he said "If you don't let me go I will stick it into you, for I won't be taken for it"—three or four men came to assist him to get him away, and they got him away at last—he left his cap in my hand—I put it in my pocket and ran after him again, but being dark I struck myself against a post and fell backwards, and he got away—I went back and took Gray to the doctor's shop—we were turned out of there and we put him in a cab and took him to the hospital—I there saw Cullerty and Leary sitting on a seat; they were there before us—I said, pointing to Cullerty, "That is the one, that is one of them"—he said "Me?"—I said "Yes, you"—he laughed and made a jeer of it—Maddigan said to him "You must be a cowardly fellow to use a knife"—he said "What has that to do with you?"—Maddigan said "You will have to be locked up for it"—he said "What for? you don't want to lock me up"—I gave the cap to the policeman—the policeman asked him if he knew the cap—he said "Yes, that is my cap"—he said "Where did you get the one you have got on your head?" he was wearing one then—he said "That is my mate's cap; I took it from him," meaning Dempsey—the cap was given to Cullerty.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. The first I knew of this was when I was in a public-house in Old Montague Street with Gray and another man, between 50 and 60 yards from the court—I don't know the name of the other man, he was a stranger—Maddigan and King might have come and called Gray out, I did not see them—I did not say before the Magistrate "Maddigan and King came to the public-house and called Gray out, and we all five went to Frostick Court"—I was by myself, behind, and I saw Gray and the other man in front—there were only three of us together—I was called out of the public-house by the other man, I have not seen him since, he was a young
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi>, a companion of Gray's I believe, he and Gray were together—Gray was about a yard in front of him—he did not say what he called us out for—I followed him and Gray to the corner of the court—we passed through the court to the Finch Street end, that was before Dempsey and King began to fight—I have said "There were five on one side and and fifteen on the other;" that was so—I did not ask what we were going there for—I have said "Gray pushed into the crowd, and Maddigan was in front of King, at the side of him," that was before Dempsey used the knife—there was a crowd round—I have said "The fighting took place between Dempsey and either Maddigan or King"—I saw Dempsey struck two or three times—there were blows going on between Dempsey and Maddigan—that was the first thing I saw—I saw the knife at the same time, Dempsey had it in his right hand—he only hit with his left—I saw him striking out with his left fist before
<hi rend="italic">any</hi> knife was used—I saw him struck about twice by Maddigan, after he was struck the first time he made a strike with his right hand with the knife—I have said "We were there about four minutes before Dempsey made the attack;" that is true.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-170" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMKS CAIN</persName> </hi>. I am fourteen years old, and live at 9, Flower and Dean Street—on the Saturday before this occurrence I was with King and saw Caroline Mills—I did not bear anything called out—on the Monday night I saw King, Dempsey and Mills, Mills said she would get King a b----punch on the nose—King said "Who is big head?"—Dempsey turned round and said "I am," and asked if he wanted anything—King said "Yes, come down here"—Dempsey would not, and King said "Well, I will come round to-morrow night," that was to fight—on Tuesday night I saw Dempsey round there with Caroline Mills—I saw King about half or three-quarters of an hour afterwards—Dempsey and King were going to fight, Mills goes away and brings Cullerty and another
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi>, I could not catch sight of the other one—Dempsey and King had a fight—Cullerty ran over to me and several others who were standing by and made a blow at me, he asked me what did I want—I said "Nothing"—he ran at some man that was there, then a constable came and they went away—they said they would tight on Wednesday night—I think it was King who said that—on the Wednesday night, about 9.30, I was in Finch Street—I went there alone—I first saw Mills and Dempsey, and I saw King and Maddigan going through Frostick Court, from the Finch Street end into Old Montague Street, they were going to the Black Bull to have something to drink—I saw them come back in five or ten minutee—King stood by Dempster and Maddigan, Dempsey asked if King was going to fight, Maddigan said "No, you shan't light, if you use your two hands you may"—I saw a knife under Dempsey's hand, I don't know which hand—I think Maddigan struck Dempsey, and then they halloaed out" Knives out," and "
<hi rend="italic">Chivs</hi> are ready"—I don't know who who it was that holloaed out—I then ran away—I saw Cullerty and Leary there, they were there all the time, I did not take much notice of them, I did not know anything about them, Cantor was there, I saw him round Finch Street.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. King and Maddigan went towards the Black Bull, I did not watch them in, I saw them return from, that direction—I saw two or three young men coming down from there—I did not see Gray with Maddigan—I heard that there was going to be a fight, so I went.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-171" type="given" value="MORRIS"/>MORRIS CANTOR</persName> </hi>. I live in Nelson Court, Whitchapel—on Wednesday, 3rd February, I went into Frostick Place—I saw the three prisoners there, and King; Maddigan, Gray, and Jenner—I saw Dempsey challenge King to fight, King said he would not fight him—Maddigan said "You should not begin with little
<hi rend="italic">chaps</hi> like them"—I did not notice anything in Dempsey's hand—I saw Maddigan strike Dempsey and heard "Knives out and
<hi rend="italic">chivs</hi> ready "called, I did not notice who by—Maddigan and Dempsey then began fighting, and then I saw Gray stabbed in the heart—I could not see who stabbed him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-172" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT JONES</persName> </hi>. I am a porter, and live at 24, Lambert Street, Commer
<lb/>cial Road—on Wednesday night, 3rd February, I saw a crowd in Finch Street—I was in Finch Street passing by—I saw Jenner run after Cullerty (that was what I first saw) down Frostick Court, towards Montague Street—he got hold of Cullerty, and said "I wont lose you," and Cullerty made a stab at him with a knife—I did not see the knife—I saw him cuddle him round the arms, and he had got something in his hand, but I could not see what it was—Cullerty got away, and Jenner kept his cap—I then went away—I afterwards went to the hospital; I there saw Cullerty, and he said</p>
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<p>to me "I believe you are the man that stabbed John Gray," and he made two or three motions to Dempsey in the room to come and look at us to see if he knew anybody; Dempsey came and looked all round, and he charged Jenner with stabbing him in the shoulder, and four more that came in with a woman with her eye cut—he said they had something to do with it too—I saw Leary there; he was searched, and a white-handled knife found—I saw him put his hand in his waistcoat pocket and take it out, and he tried to put it in the fire-place; he tried to throw it on one side, by the side of his trowsers—the constable took it—all these persons were strangers to me,
<hi rend="italic">barring</hi> Gray—I used to be in his company going on two or three years—I never saw either of the prisoners before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. I was not with Gray on this night—I was coming past at the time—I knew nothing about the fight—I had not been at the Black Bull—I could not say where Gray was when I came up; there were about five persons on his side like five of the witnesses and the three prisoners—there were no other persons there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>. That (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the knife that Leary took from his pocket at the hospital; it was closed—he took it out of his waistcoat pocket and put it aside—he would have tried to throw it some where if the policeman had not been so quick upon him—he took it from his hand—the fire-place was at his back.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 106). On Wednesday night, 3rd February, I saw Gray being helped along Brick Lane by Maddigan, Jenner and Jones, and several others; that is less than a ¼ of a mile from Frostick Place—he was bleeding very much—I got a cab and took him to the hospital—when we got there I found Cullerty and Leary in the Receiving Room, and Demp
<lb/>sey in a room close by, having his wounds dressed—Gray was taken charge of by the surgeon—the prisoners were pointed out to me by the witnesses, Cullerty as the man who had stabbed Gray, and Leary as the one that kicked him—Cullerty said it was not him, it was Jenner—Jenner produced a cap, and Cullerty claimed it as his—I asked him how he came by the cap he had on—he said that was Dempsey's, and Dempsey said it was his—I found nothing on Cullerty—I found this white-handled knife in Leary's waistcoat pocket—I did not see him do anything with it—I did not notice any blood on it—Dempsey pointed out four different men as the men that stabbed him and Gray; two of them were strangers, who came in with a woman to see the doctor, the others were strange men.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>. When I got to the hospital Demp
<lb/>say was having his wounds dressed, and the other men were waiting in the lobby.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>. Leary was charged with having kicked Gray; he denied it.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 120). On Wednesday, 3rd February, a few minutes before 10 o'clock, I went to Frostick Place, after seeing Gray at the doctor's shop—I saw a pool of blood near a post, and found this knife near it; it was open—I gave it to the doctor at the hospital.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi>). On 3rd March Dempsey was brought to the station—I told him he was charged with being concerned with two others in the wilful murder of John Gray, at Frostick Place, on the 3rd of last month—he said "I was there, I was struck in the mouth by Gray, and I was stabbed by another man who has been called as a witness. I had no knife in my possession, and I have not carried one for more than twelve months."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">post-mortem</hi> examination, and found that the main artery in the arm had been completely divided, which was the cause of death from loss of blood—in all probability it "was a stab wound, any knife would do it—there were no marks of violence on his body—Dempsey was under my care in the hospital for three weeks—he had two knife wounds, one on the right shoulder behind, and one on the top of the left shoulder—they were not very deep.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Second Count</hi>—for a like offence on
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750405-263-offence-1 t18750405-name-179"/>Kate Wordley</persName>.
<hi rend="italic">Third Count—for</hi> a like offence on
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750405-263-offence-1 t18750405-name-180"/>Alice Court</persName>.
<hi rend="italic">Other Counts</hi>—for indecent assaults upon other children</rs>.
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. F. SAFFORD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGHM</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-263-18750405 t18750405-263-punishment-27"/>Two Years' Imprisonment in each of the three first Counts, Six Years' in all</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, April</hi> 7
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1875.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Baron Cleasby</hi>,</p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750405-264-offence-1 t18750405-name-182"/>Mary Ann Mitchelson</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. J. P. GRAIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GILL</hi>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-264-18750405 t18750405-264-punishment-28"/>Ten Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18750405-265-offence-1 t18750405-name-184"/>William Smart</persName> the Elder.</rs> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSSES. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">J. P. GRAIN</hi>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-185" type="given" value="FANNY"/>FANNY HORLEY</persName> </hi>. I live at Hammersmith—on 26th January, I was in Wellington Road, Hammersmith, and saw an old man pushed out of the Anglesea Tavern, but I could not see by whom—the potboy, I mean, the prisoner, then came out and pushed him down on the road with his fist—it was a hard push—I cannot say where he placed his hand, but the man fell violently—he got up and said to the prisoner "Will you leave me alone," and the prisoner ran after him and knocked him down—I do not know' whether he used his fist—he knocked him down three times alto
<lb/>gether once in the room and twice by the broker's shop, and he never got up any more—he called out "He has broken my leg"—the prisoner ran away up the Wellington Road—the old man did not run after the prisoner or use any bad language or shout.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The prisoner was not outside the door till he followed Smart out in a few minutes—Mr. Tenby, the landlord, stood at the door and said "That is right, give it him"—Smart did not say a word when the prisoner came out, if Mr. Tenby comes and say that he did it is false, for</p>
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<p>I was close by—Smart might have had a little beer, but he was not tipsy—I did not hear him say "I will cut your young head off," he said nothing whatever to the prisoner—when Smart made his exit from the door he commenced walking slowly across the road; he walked perfectly straight towards his home, and the potman went behind him—Smart did not wait on the door step and use bad language, he had just stepped off the kerb when the potman came out and pushed him—I have not often been in the neighbourhood of public-houses at night—Smart was not drunk, and he was already out of the house—no blow was used, he was merely pushed with the fist—the road is out of repair, but it is level for 20 yards from the house—after the prisoner pushed him Smart said "Will you leave me alone," and he pushed him down again—Smart used no bad language—there are gas lamps in the street—the second push was 20 yards from the Anglesea—there was a light at the Anglesea and at the grocer's shop—I did not run after them, of course I walked on with my friend—I was about 10 yards from him the third time he fell—I had walked quick—it was not quite dark where I got to—it was not a dismal-looking night—I had not got up to the rough ground—it was rough at the corner, but not where the poor man was knocked down—the third time he knocked him down with a push, I was not near enough to see if there were any blows—I still say that Smart was not tipsy, he had had a little beer.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> He was able to walk steadily—he walked 20 yards from the public-house. '</p>
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<interp inst="t18750405-name-186" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN WILSON</persName> </hi>. I am single, and live at 21, Nasmith Street—I was with the last witness near the Anglesea, and saw an old gentleman pushed out; I did not see who by, but the potman came out directly afterwards, when he had walked as far as the kerb, and knocked him down in the road with his fist—he struck him on the side of the head—I saw the blow light on his head, and his hat fell off into the road—the old man got up and said "Will you leave me alone, I am going home"—he walked about 10 yards, and the prisoner went after him and knocked him down again with his fist, but I did not see where he struck him that time; he got up again—he said nothing, but was going away, and when he had gone about two steps the prisoner knocked him down again, and he said "You have broken my leg"—I ran up to him, and he said "My
<hi rend="italic">leg</hi> is broken, do fetch some one"—the pri
<lb/>soner ran away—I saw Mr. Tailbee there; he said "That's right, give it to him," three times, and I told him he ought to be ashamed of himself—he told me to go home and mind our own business—I first saw Mr. Tailbee when the deceased was knocked down the second time; he was standing at the door with his sister and a man—he was not there the first time the man was knocked down.</p>
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