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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>LUSK, MAYOR.</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, October 26th, 1874, and following days,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. SIR</hi>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-1" type="given" value="ANDREW"/>ANDREW LUSK</persName> </hi>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">BART</hi>., M.P.,
<hi rend="largeCaps">LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; Sir
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-2" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT LUSH</persName> </hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench; Sir
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-3" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE DENMAN</persName> </hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas;
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<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS</hi> </persName>, Esq., Sir
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-5" type="given" value="ROBERT WALTER"/>ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</persName> </hi>, Knt.,
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-6" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM LAWRENCE</persName> </hi>, Esq.,
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-8" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT BESLEY</persName> </hi>, Esq., Sir
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-9" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS DAKIN</persName> </hi>, Knt.,
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-10" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FIGGINS</persName> </hi>, Esq.,
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-11" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN PATERSON</persName> </hi>, Esq., and
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-12" type="given" value="HENRY EDMUND"/>HENRY EDMUND KNIGHT</persName> </hi>, Esq., Aldermen of the said City; Sir
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-13" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>, Knt., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-14" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT MALCOLM</persName> </hi> Kerr, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS</hi> </persName> Esq., Alderman.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-16" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES SHAW</persName> </hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM TIMBRELL ELLIOTT</hi> </persName>, Esq.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-18" type="given" value="GEORGE ALFRED"/>GEORGE ALFRED SEDGWICK</persName> </hi>, Esq.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LUSK, MAYOR. TWELFTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, October</hi> 26
<hi rend="italic">th, Tuesday</hi>, 27
<hi rend="italic">th; and</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday</hi>, 28
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1874.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY BRANNAN</hi> (31)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. BESILY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-20" type="given" value="HENRY WILLIAM"/>HENRY WILLIAM WILLIS</persName> </hi>. I am the chief usher at Marlborough Street Police Court—on 19th and 26th February Thomas Parrock and Mary Ann Cook were charged with stealing a portmanteau—the defendant was a witness—I administered the oaths to him on both occasions.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I don't recollect seeing a
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and knife in a policeman's helmet in Court on the first occasion—it was stated that Cook was a prostitute—I had not seen her in Court to my knowledge except on that occasion.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-21" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY NAIRN</persName> </hi>. I am one of the clerks at the Marlborough Street Police Court—I was there on the 19th and 26th February—Parrock and' Cook were brought there charged with stealing a portmanteau, the property of Sir George Jenkinson—the defendant, Sergeant Brannan, was the first 'witness called in support of the charge—I took down the evidence that he then gave—no professional men were engaged on either side on the first occasion—Parrock cross-examined him—after other witnesses were called there was an adjournment until the 26th February—on that occasion Brannan was examined afresh—he gave his evidence again—I took it down—to the best of my belief Mr. Knox asked him if he would like to give his evidence again, entirely from the beginning, and he did so; he began again entirely—I thought his manner was very strange on the first occasion; I thought he seemed confused—his evidence was read over to him—I am not certain whether it was read over to him on that occasion; I think it was on some other occasion, and he signed it—I have the original depositions here—the charge sheet was put before the Magistrate—ultimately Tarrock and Cook were discharged.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">The deposition of the defendant on 19th February was read, in which he stated that at</hi> 12.30
<hi rend="italic">that morning he was in Talbot Road, Notting Hill, and saw Parrock and Cook standing by a green cart drawn by a grey horse; that he went up and they left; that he examined the cart and found the portmanteau; that the prisoners returned with a man not in custody, and kept going backwards and forwards near the cart, that he pursued them and lost sight of them, but afterwards took them into custody. In a further deposition on 26th February he stated that lie concealed himself in a doorway and saw Parrock come towards the cart with a man not in custody, place his foot on the step or wheel, and put his right hand into the, trap, and he and the other man then went round the corner in the direction of the Portobello Road; that Parrock returned with Cook and went of before they saw him, and he then came out and pursued them but lost sight of them; and that he then examined the cart and found the jemmy and knife; that on taking Cook into custody he told her it was for being con
<lb/>cerned with a man in stealing a portmanteau, and that she first denied being with the man and then admitted it.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. The charge sheet was before Mr. Knox on the 19th—the magistrate never hears a charge without having the charge sheet before him; it is rather before me as the Clerk, and it is handed up to the Magistrate if he wishes to see it—it does not always contain a list of the property found—I can't say whether the knife and
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> was in it on 19th February—I did not know on the first occasion that Brannan had been thirty days on the sick list, and had only gone on duty the night before, until he stated it—I am not certain whether it was on the first or second occasion—it is, I think, correct that on the first occasion the Magis
<lb/>trate addressed him with considerable severity—I have been there about seven years—I have seen persons confused before Mr. Knox, I don't know whether it has been when Mr. Kuox has addressed them—on the first occasion nothing was said, I think, about the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and knife—I have heard to-day, for the first time, that it was there in Court in the helmet of a police-constable—Mr. Knox allowed Parrock to go on his own recognizance on the first occasion, and Cook also—he remanded them for a week—I believe, on the second occasion, Brannan said that he was confused on the former occasion, and he asked to be allowed to give his evidence over again, and the Magistrate allowed that to be done—on that second occasion, besides Brannan, Varnham and Young were examined—on the first occasion there was Brannan, Varnham, Young, and Hart, police-constables, Edward Lee, the footman to Sir George Jenkinson, William Bryant, of 96, Stan hope Street, cab driver, and Henry West, the owner of the horse and cart—on the second day Brannan and Henry George, 360 X, were examined—there was then a remand till the 28th, when Inspector Hole and Henry Drewitt, 37 X, the sergeant who took the charge, were examined—Varn ham was recalled, Young recalled, Hannah recalled, and John Newman, the manager of the Green Yard, who found
<hi rend="italic">the jemmy wad</hi> knife; that com
<lb/>pleted the evidence—the prisoners then made their statements, and after that Ship and Goldsworthy and Richmond were called for the defence—I think on the second occasion Mr. Knox asked Brannan why he had not produced the knife
<hi rend="italic">and jemmy</hi> on the first occasion; he asked about it generally, how it was that it was not produced—he discharged the prisoners on the 28th—I fancy Mr. Knox said that he was glad he had never kept the man in custody for a moment, that he had allowed him to go out on his own recognizance, and that the non-production of the
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<p>was conclusive to his mind—he said to Parrock that if he wished to take out a summons or to proceed against Brannan for perjury he would give him the necessary process—when the perjury summons was applied for by Parrock Mr. Knox sat and heard the case—there are two Magistrates at Marlborough Street, Mr. Knox and Mr. Newton—any of the other Stipendiary Magistrates can sit there—on the occasion of the summons against Brannan Mr. Edward Lewis, I think, was the solicitor acting for Parrock—he called the witnesses—Mr. Warner Sleigh appeared for Brannan—the two constables, Ship and Goldsworthy, had been examined for the defence of Parrock on the 28th—I don't recollect whether Mr. Knox suggested that they should be called again on behalf of Parrock—I don't remember his making use of the expression that with regard to Parrock and Brannan he must hangone or the other—I think he said something to the effect that if he discovered the charge of perjury against Brannan, he should be imputing something to Parrock; and if he committed Brannan for trial he should be lending himself to the charge of Parrock—I think Ship and Goldsworthy attended and Mr. Lewis refused to call them—I think Mr. Sleigh protested, and said that they ought to be put into the box for the prosecution—f think Parrock stated that he could not find the woman Charlwood; she was known at the time as
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—I believe Parrock said he had made every endeavour to find her and could not do so—I believe Inspector Eccles said he thought he could find the woman to-morrow—I do not remember whether she was there at the next examination—I remember Mr. Lewis refusing to call her—I remember Mr. Knox saying that she and Cook were not a bit alike—I now remember the two women standing there—I think Rose Parker or one of the witnesses said that looking at the women from behind she could not tell one from the other—I don't know of my own knowledge that Mr. Knox went to the place where the cart had been standing—I believe he did, I was not there—T believe that Charlwood was in Court, and that Mr. Lewis declined to call her—I think on the previous occasion there was a suggestion that Brannan was keeping her out of the way—I believe she never was called at the Police Court.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The examination of the witness on the first occasion took some time—Mr. Knox addressed Brannan with some severity—Parrock cross-examined him and asked him some questions which had some relation to police duties, and Brannan said "I decline to answer"—Mr. Knox desired him to answer and I think he then said "That has to do with police duty and I decline to answer"—Mr. Knox then said "Are you aware that I can commit you for contempt of Court if you do not answer the question 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>" or something to that effect—"I desire you to answer the question," and he then did so—Brannan was more confused in the examina
<lb/>tion in chief; in the cross-examination he answered tolerably distinctly—on the second occasion he gave his evidence from the commencement; and he was then examined by both the defendants—he did not mention the knife and
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> on the first occasion.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-22" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWAED LEE</persName> </hi>. I am servant to Sir George Samuel Jenkinson at 43, St. James' Place—on 18th February I arrived at the Great Western Railway Station, Paddington Terminus, by train, about 10.20—I took a cab there of which Bryant was the driver, and the portmanteau in question was put on the top of the cab with two others—he drove as far as Brooke Street, and on the way through Brooke Street my attention was called and I found the portmanteau was gone—the cab turned back—I saw a one</p>
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<p>horse cart going away at a good rate—we followed it as far as the Bays-water Road, going in the direction of Notting Hill—I lost sight of it and then went to the police-station, John Street, Edgware Road—on the 19th the following day at 5 o'clock I got a telegram and went to the Notting Hill police station and there saw the portmanteau, and I afterwards saw it at the police-station and identified it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I could not say that the portmanteau was either tied or chained on to the top of the cab—when I saw it again, it was unopened and undamaged—I did not go to the Green Yard and see the cart—I gave information at John Street, Edgware Road about 10.45, and they told me there they should telegraph to all the stations.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> It was a large portmanteau and very heavy—the value of the contents was almost 40
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. as near as I can say.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-23" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BBYANT</persName> </hi>. I live at 96, Stanhope Street, Hampstead Road, and am a cabdriver—on Ash-Wednesday, 18th February, I took the last witness and some luggage from the South-Western Railway Station—the port
<lb/>manteau was put outside the cab, and I put a chain through it—it was about 10.20 when we passed the Marble Arch—when I got to Brooke Street, at the corner of Park Street, a female called out, and I saw the portmanteau being lifted into a cart by two men—there was one man in the cart, and he drove away—I immediately galloped after the cart up Brooke Street—I was stopped by an omnibus, which caused me to lose some distance—I got after them down the Bays water Road, and lost sight of them at West-bourne Street—I immediately took the valet to John Street Police Station, and gave information there—it was a dark green cart with wings over the wheels, a low tail board, and an iron grey horse—I afterwards saw the cart at Marlborough Street, and the portmanteau was there as well.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I should think the distance from West-bourne Street to Portobello Road is about a mile I dare say I could drive it in ten minutes.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Only one man drove away with the cart and the port
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-24" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS PARROCK</persName> </hi>. I live at 32, Addison Road North, Notting Hill—I was living there in February last—I was in the employment of John Taylor as a clicker in the boot and leather warehouse, and I am in his service still—I have been in his service since the 22nd July, 1872; pre
<lb/>vious to that I had been a police-constable—I was in the force two years and three months—I left on the 15th July, 1872—I was in the
<hi rend="italic">X</hi> Division and was stationed part of the time at Kilburn and part of the time at Notting Hill; the first part of the time at Notting Hill—I was dismissed from the force for neglect of duty—I knew the defendant Brannan; he was station serjeant at Notting Hill Station part of the time—I know a police-constable of the name of Hannah; he was in the same division, and I at one time lodged in the same house—I don't remember seeing Brannan after leaving the force until this matter occurred; on Ash-Wednesday, 18th of February, I left my home about 7.30 in the evening; I went to Bolton Road and various other places up to about 10 o'clock; I can give all the places if necessary—I met some woman; I don't know who she was at all—that was near the Admiral Blake—I walked with her through Salter's Fields, Lancaster Road; that is at Notting Hill, and we went through a farm—that was about 9.45, and while we were going through the farm we met two constables nun; d</p>
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<p>Ship and Goldsworthy—they were in plain clothes—I heard one of them say to the other "Come on Jack, we will go this way," and they went in the direction of the Earl of Percy public-house—I knew them both as constables—I did not speak to them at all—I went after that into the Lancaster Road, and ultimately to the Clarendon Road, Notting Hill, and the woman left me there—I. don't know at all who she was; she was a woman I had picked up—from the Clarendon Road I went down Blenheim Crescent to the Blenheim Arms—I should say I had been in the woman's company about an hour—before I got to the Blenheim Arms I met George Richmond, who is an old friend of mine—we both come from Yarmouth—I can't say exactly whether I met him by appointment or by accident, I think it was by accident—I went with him to the Blenheim Arms; that was about 10.30, I believe; we remained there until 12 o'clock—before we left, Richmond asked the barmaid for a stamp—he got the stamp—I don't know to whom the letter was addressed—I saw the landlord there, and the barmaid and the potman—when we left the house was being closed—I spoke to the potman and bade him "Good night"—Richmond and I then went up Kensington Park Road a little way until we came to Elgin Road, and we went to Cuff's Post Office there—Richmond was not able to post his letter there, and we then went along the Elgin Road and up the Col
<lb/>ville Road to the pillar box, which is just opposite the church, where Richmond posted his letter—after doing that we went westwards down the Talbot Road—I saw two constables there, Young and Hannah—they were standing against a cart—I did not notice the cart, but there was a grey horse in it—I should say it was 40 or 50 yards from the Portobello Road, and on the south side of the road—they would be between the comer of Colville Square and Portobello Road—they were in uniform—I knew them, and as I passed I spoke to them—I believe Hannah spoke to me first, and said "How are you getting on how are you off for-work—I said" Don't talk about work; it is time to go to bed"—we were standing against the "cart all four of us then, either Hannah or Young said "Good night," and went in the easterly direction; that is the way we had come—we went towards the Portobello Road, about 6 or 8 yards, and then I stopped because of the abruptness of Hannah; me and him were very good friends when we were in the Police, and he seemed very abrupt that night—when I stopped I said so to Richmond, and then we went on—I did not walk back a step—we went down the Portobello Road and parted company of the corner of Lancaster Road and Portobello Road—Portobello Road is a very long road and runs right through the Talbot Road—it was about 12.15 or 12.20 when we passed the cart, and about 12.30 or 12.40 when I parted company with Richmond—after I left him I went down Lancaster Road as far as Lad broke Grove Road and saw the same two constables who I had seen in Salter's Fields, Ship and Goldsworthy, and also a constable named George—there were four constables; they were taking some horses to. The Green Yard—we had some conversation, some joking—after they had gone I went a little way up Ladbroke Grove Road and down the Cornwall Road, where I spoke to a person I have since recognised as Caroline Charlwood—I did not know her at the time—I went with her up Bolton Road to the coffee stall kept by William Edney at the corner of Norfolk Terrace and Ledbury Road—I had passed the defendant, Sergeant Brannan, right against Cuff's, the Post Office in Portobello Road—Sergeant Varnham was. with him, and Hannah was standing against the shutters within 20 yards of them—I spoke</p>
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<p>to Hannah—I said "Good night, Bob"—it was after that that, I went with Charlwood to the coffee stall—I had met her and passed the constables with her—I did not pass through the Talbot Road where the cart was when I was with Charlwood—we went up Westbourne Grove to Bishop's Road Railway Bridge, where we parted—it was then about 1.40 I should think—I went straight home then—before I left Charlwood she told me who she was—she told me she was a niece of Inspector Charlwood of the "S" division—I do not know what name she was going by—I picked her up and spoke to her without knowing her—she was dressed all in black—she was not wearing a black and red plaid shawl—I then went home and found the they were outside the house—I did not see Brannan till Young called him out of my house—he was inside—previous to calling him out Young told me that Sergeant Brannan wanted me—I asked him what for, and he said he would tell me—when Brannan came he told me he should charge me with stealing a horse and cart and he should take me into custody—I said "What horse and cart, I know nothing about a horse and cart"—on our way to the station he asked me how I had spent the night—I told him every particular—he said it was a lie, and I should have to settle for it—I said I had passed by a cart and that Young and Hannah were there—he asked me what woman I had been with—I said a woman who told me that her name was Charlwood—he said it was a lie—I was taken to the police station and charged with stealing a horse and cart—Inspector Hole was on duty—I was put into the reserve room until a woman named Cook was brought there—we were then both charged with stealing a portmanteau—I denied the charge—next morning I was taken to Great Marlborough Street Police Court, and I and Cook were charged before Mr. Knox—I did not know Cook at all, I don't remember seeing her till she was brought in custody to the station that morning, and I did not know then what she was brought for—I did not know her till she was put in the dock—I had not been in her company or seen her at all on that morning or the previous night—I never denied to Brannan that I had been in the Portobello Road—I did not pass by the cart more than the once I have told you of—that was with Richmond only, not with any woman—I did not touch the cart, or. put my foot on the step or wheel, or put my hand on it—Richmond and I. and a woman were not in company together that night—I did not know anything whatever about the cart or its contents, or how it came there, or anything about it—when Brannan was called I cross-examined him—he did not answer me readily, he answered some questions, others he refused—the Magistrate ordered him to answer—I was remanded till next day, and then let go on my own recognizance—there was a further examination on the 26th, and afterwards, on the 28th, I made a full statement, and Cook made her statement—I then called my witnesses, Ship, Goldsworthy, and Richmond—Mr. Knox, in his summing up, said he should be quite willing to grant a summons for perjury if applied for—after my discharge I obtained a summons, and then Mr. Edward Lewis, of Great Marlborough Street, conducted my case.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>. I was two years and three months in the-police; I joined in April, 1870, and I was dismissed on 15th July, 1872—I was never charged with irregularities while I was in the police force; I was reported seven times, I believe—the first was a censure for assisting in an improper charge, that was on 11th</p>
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<p>August, 1870, at Notting Hill Station, by Superintendent Eccles—on 16th, March, next year, I was fined 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and severely reprimanded by the district superintendent—I can't say whether that was for not "patrol ling my beat for two hours from 1 to 3 a.m. on 16th instant—I have got no note of the times—I believe that is the fact, and when spoken to on the subject, admitting I had been sitting down in a cab in Ledbury Road, Notting Hill, for one hour and three-quarters—on 9th September, 1871, I was reported, and cautioned for improperly purchasing a walking stick from police-constable 385, who found it on his beat while on duty—on 9th January, 1872, I was reported for not patrolling my beat for two hours and twenty-five minutes, from 1.45 to 5 a.m. on the 8th instant, and was then found by police-constable Moore in the house of a laundress at 10, Cran
<lb/>bourne Terrace, where a party of washerwomen had assembled to dance, and I was fined three days' pay—in March, 1872, I was reported for not patrolling my beat for an hour and a half in the middle of the night—on June 20th, 1872,1 was reported for being drunk when off duty in uniform, and receiving drink from a number of washerwomen on strike in Norman Row, returning to my lodging, quarrelling with my wife, using obscene language, and disturbing the neighbours, fined 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., removed from third to fourth class, and then removed to another subdivision—in July, 1872, I was reported for not patrolling my beat from 4.10 till 4.55, and found sitting locked up in an empty house, and I was dismissed the force; that is no reason why I should be prosecuted for felony—I believe I have stated before to-day that Brannan said "It is a lie, you will have to settle for it"—I can't tell you on what occasion—my statement was read over and signed by me; I won't swear whether that was in it or not—I believe I have given evidence on three different occasions against Brannan—I will swear I did say it—I will not swear that it was read over to me—I told Brannan that I had been with a woman—I did not tell him that her name was Charlwood, but that she was a niece of Inspector Charlwood—I stated so before Mr. Knox—I can't say whether it was taken down, I was a prisoner at the time, I don't think there is much taken at those times—I did state that I had seen a niece of Inspector Charl
<lb/>wood—it was never put in my evidence; it was while I was a prisoner—I will swear that I never saw or spoke to the woman Cook that night—I heard Cook give her evidence—I heard her say that she saw me about, a little niter 1 o'clock—I won't be sure of the time—I was pointed out to her by another person—I can't say whether or not I met Richmond by appoint ment; I forget—I did not go to his house for him—I don't remember whether Richmond swore at the Police Court that I met him by appoint
<lb/>ment—I met him about 10 o'clock—he lives in Blagrove Road—I don't remember whether I stated at the Police Court that I went to the Blagrove Road for him—I went with him to the Blenheim Arms and stayed there till about 12 o'clock—we were not doing anything particular there, more than per
<lb/>sons do when they go into a public house—we had no reason for being there—I did not see the cart standing against the wall when I came out of the public-house at 12 o'clock—Richmond and I parted at the corner of Lancaster Road; that is some way from the Blenheim, about 500 yards—Lancaster Road is the next turning but one—from the Blenheim Arms to the place where the cart was I should say was between 200 and 300 yards; you could not see the cart from the Blenheim Arms in the night, you might in the day—I can't say whether there is a lamp at the corner of the Kensington</p>
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<p>Park Road; there is one 40 or 50 yards from where the cart was standing—I never saw one much closer, the lamps mast be very thick if they are closer than that—I believe it was 12.20 when we met Hannah and Young—in answer to the question "How is work getting on
<hi rend="italic">V</hi> I said" Oh, don't say anything about work, it is time for all good people to be in bed"—I did not go to bed that night—I remained away from my home till about 2.45—I did not go into my house from 12.20 till 2.45—I had no motive for wandering about till then; my wife was at home—I met the woman Charlwood—I did not know her as
<hi rend="italic">Garry</hi> Baxter—I met her first in the Portobello Road between Lancaster Road and the corner near the Golden Cross public-house, not near Cambridge Gardens, north of the Talbot Road—I came out of the Cornwall Road—I went from there to Ladbrooke Grove Road, which runs to the west—I went round that way because I had a mind to see the horses taken to the Green Yard; that was my first inten
<lb/>tion—I did not go to the Green Yard—I told Charlwood that I had been in the police force—I did not tell her that I was a policeman in plain clothes—I said nothing about being in plain clothes—I told her that I was not in the police then—while I was talking to her, I saw Sergeant Brannan, Varnham, and Hannah pass by—I did not say that I would not have seen them for a gold watch or a pension—she did not ask me why, nor did I reply "Nothing much"—it was about 12.55 or 12.50 when I met Charlwood, something like that—I went with her to the comer of the Bishop's Road Railway Bridge and left her there—I did not go straight home, because I had not a mind; I please myself when I go home; it is not my habit to wander about in the night, other people do it as well as me; there was no reason for it—I went to a coffee stall kept by a man named Edney while I was with Charlwood—4 don't remember pointing out to her two flag stones and telling her that one was Kensington and the other was Paddington—I hardly know where it is, I could not point it out—I will swear that I did not do so; I don't remember doing it—I did not ask her to wait for me while I went and spoke to a policeman—I never mentioned about a policeman that I am aware of—the Blenheim Arms stands in the Ken
<lb/>sington Park Road—I was not upwards of half an hoar talking to Rich
<lb/>mond about the very spot where the cart was standing' before I parted with him—I know All Saints' Church in the Talbot Road—I never went near the church, no nearer than the pillar-box—I believe the pillar-box is immediately opposite the church; I never stopped there a minute—I don't know whether I talked to Richmond between the pillar-box and the church; we passed down there, we only stopped to push the letter in, we did not stand there at all, not a minute—I was not in the Talbot Road with the woman after I parted from Richmond—I did not know Cook before that night, I had never spoken to her—I did not see a man who Charlwood said was her brother-in-law; she said there was a man there, and walked away; I don't remember seeing him—she did not point him out to me and say he was her brother-in-law—she said she' did not want to see him; she said "There is a man there I don't want to see, come away"—she was against the coffee stall when she said that—I said to the coffee stall keeper "This young woman will come back and drink her coffee;"That was in order to get away and not see the man—she did not tell me he was her brother-in-law till after she went away—I told Mr. Knox at one of the cross-exami
<lb/>nations that I had made every inquiry to find Charlwood and could not find her—I did make every inquiry and I could not find her—she did not</p>
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<p>tell me her name was Charlwood or else perhaps I might have found her—she told me she was a niece of Inspector Charlwood, those were the words—Edney did not tell me then that she was in the habit of coming to the coffee stall at night; he did tell me so—I did not go to the coffee stall to try and find her—I knew that she was at the Police Court ready to be ten
<lb/>dered as evidence—I refuse to answer whether I told Mr. Lewis, my attorney, not to put her in the witness-box; I will not answer that—I was not running a step on this night between 12 and 1 o'clock; I had no occasion to run—Sergeant Brannan never bad anything to do with the reports against me—I was in Ladbrooke Grove Road at 12.45 on this night in company with Ship, Goldsworthy, George, and another constable—George spoke to me and shook hands with me—I was a boot maker at this time, in the employment of Mr. Taylor—my wages varied considerably, from 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; it was not 18
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a pair for ladies' boots; a deal more than that, I got half-a-crown—I never worked at Mr. Gill's, I know Mr. Gill, I don't know where he lives; he lives now at 9, St. John's Terrace, Latimer Road, Notting Hill—I believe I have made a pair or two of boots for him to oblige him, but I have not worked for him; I have worked for Mr. Taylor since 1872—Mr. Gill did not pay me 18
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. per pair for the boots; I made him a pair for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., that was what I used to charge him—he may have gone to my house—I never had a lady's ivory fan at my premises; I have a watch and chain, and so has my wife—I did not have a gentleman's riding whip or any
<lb/>thing except what belonged to myself—I don't remember asking Edney at the coffee stall who the policeman was on duty on the other side of the street—I don't remember hearing Edney say so at the Police Court—I don't believe I did ask him, I will not swear that I did not, I may have forgotten it—I told Mr. Knox that Inspector Hole said to Brannan "That won't do Brannan"—I believe I stated that on the first examination—Brannan charged me first with stealing a horse and cart, and Inspector Hole produced the book and said "No, Brannan, that won't do, it is a portmanteau that is stolen," and he read a telegram or something from the book.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I have never been charged with dishonesty; I have been recommended to take charge of gentlemen's houses, and I am now living in one—I had a high character when I went into the police—the charges against me while in the police were for irregularity, there was no charge of dis
<lb/>honesty—I was trying the whole of one Sunday to find Charlwood; that was before I took out the summons against Brannan; she was afterwards produced by the police when 'Brannan was under charge—Mr. Lewis spoke to me about her—I had a very substantial reason for not calling her, she had been taken to Mr. Barnard's office (Brannan's solicitor) and made a statement and signed it; that was my reason—I don't remember seeing Cook at all that night.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-25" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE RICHMOITO</persName> </hi>. I am a printer living at 1, Blagrove Road, Notting Hill—I am in the employment of Messrs. Dixon and Roberts, of Westbourne Terrace—I am a friend of the witness Parrock—I have known him from boyhood—I was out with him on the 18th February—I met him about 10.15 in Clarendon Road—we went through Blenheim Crescent so the Blenheim Arms"—we stopped there till the house closed; 12 o'clock—I had a letter to post for my father and I asked the barmaid whether she would supply me with a stamp—she gave me one and I put it on the letter—we left the public-house and went down to Cuffs post office and from there to the pillar box, near All Saints' Church and into Talbot Road</p>
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<p>and Portobello Road—we saw two policemen there, Hannah and Young—I knew them—they were standing by the side of a cart—Parrock said "Have you got a horse and cart to go round your beat in"—Hannah said "No, not exactly that," or some such words, and then we went on—Parrock walked down the road by the side of me and we parted in the Lancaster Road about 12.30—that was about ten minutes after we had passed the cart—we did not pass the cart more than once that night—Parrock did not touch the cart at all—there was-no woman with us while we were together—Parrock knew both the constables—he said "I wonder what is the matter with
<hi rend="italic">Bob</hi> to night"—that was after we had passed the cart—I knew that he meant Hannah when he said
<hi rend="italic">Bob</hi>—I was a witness for Parrock when he was charged with stealing the portmanteau.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. The meeting that night was by appointment which was made on the Sunday previous—I told him I should meet him near about the Clarendon Road about 10 o'clock—it was not for the purpose of drinking at the Blenheim Arms until the house closed—I had the letter to post for my father—I left my own house about 7 o'clock, but I had not got the letter then, my father gave it me about 9.30 at Earl's Court—Parrock was not with me then—I got a postage stamp at the Blenheim Arms—there is a pillar letter box within 41 yards of my own house at the corner of Blagrove Road—I did not think of that one—I went to one that I knew—I went to Cuff's—we left the Blenheim Arms exactly at 12 o'clock—there was no other letter to be posted besides mine—I went to Cuff's because I wanted to post the letter at the post office; that was the nearest post office I could get to—when I found Cuffs shop closed I asked Parrock share the nearest pillar box was and he told me—I did not stand still with near All Saints' Church; only a moment when we put the letter in—I did not see the cart at that time—I did not hear the cart drive up while we were at the Blenheim Arms—I don't remember seeing anyone come in about that time—no one came into the same compartment while we were there—I was not present at the Police Court on the first occasion when Parrock was charged—I was present afterwards before Mr. Knox when Parrock was under charge—I think I told the Magistrate about the expression made by Parrock "Have you got a cart to ride round your beat"—I think I said it, but I won't swear that I have mentioned it before to-day—after Parrock and I left the pillar box we turned to the left down the Portobello Road—we passed a public-house at the corner of Talbot Road, then down the Portobello Road, and I parted with Parrock at the corner of Lancaster Road—I did not go with him at all into the Cornwall Road—I was in the Kensington Park Road with him—I lost sight of him there and saw no more of him—I did not notice a woman following us at any time—I never saw Cook—I know her now—I did not know her till this case was on at the Police Court—I did not talk to any woman at all that night—I. knew Charlwood—I did not know her as
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—she was known to me as Charlwood—she was employed by me four or five years back—I don't know what her age was then; she was nurse girl—when this charge was against Brannan at the Police Court I did not swear I had never seen Charlwood before—I swore I had never seen
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—I did not know that Charles wood was
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter at that time—I saw Parrock between the 18th and 28th February; not many times—I believe he told me that the woman he had been spending many hours with was a niece of Inspector Charlwood—I said at once a woman named Charlwood had been employed by me—I did</p>
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<p>not go to see Charlwood between the 18th and 28th February—I did not go anywhere to find her after the summons was taken out against Bran man for perjury—I saw her at the Police Court—I told Parrock she was the person I had employed before—I can't tell you the date I saw her at the Police Court first; I think it was the examination before the last that I saw her there—I swore then, when Charlwood was present, I did not know
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—I did not know Mary Cook until I came to this Court—I did not tell Mr. Knox that I was speaking of
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter only, but that I knew Charlwood perfectly well; Mr. Knox never asked me the question.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I did not know Charlwood by the name of
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter at all—before the Magistrate I was asked about
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter by name, and I said I did not know her—I did not know that it was referring to Charlwood when the question was put to me—when I saw her before the Magistrate-, I knew her as the person who had done work for me formerly—I did not see anything of Charlwood while I was with Parrock on that night—the letter I had to post was given to me by my father at Earl's Court, and I got the stamp at the. Blenheim Arms—the letter was addressed to my aunt, Miss Elizabeth Blithe, my father's sister.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi> The Court. The Blenham Arms is about 500 or 600 yards from my house—Blagrove Road leads out of the Portobello Road beyond the railway bridge.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-26" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN COOK</persName> </hi>. I lived at 16, Bosworth Road, Upper Westbourne Park in February last—remember being taken into custody on the 19th of February—I had been out the previous night in company with Rose Parker—she is an unfortunate girl and I am as well—we had been in the Ladbroke Grove Road the whole of the night, from 8.30 till 12.30, walking about there—I left Rose Parker about 1.30 in the morning as near as I can judge—I left her and went home by myself—I had not been in the company of Parrock that night at all—I did not know him by sight and I did not speak to him at. all—I did not know him the following morning when I saw him in custody—I had never seen him in my life before to my recollection—I had seen a cart in the Portobello Road, near the Cornwall public-house—there were some policemen in it when I saw it and they were driving along—I had not seen it before—I think it was about 12.40 to the best of my recollection—I went home and went to bed I think it was about 4.30 or from that to 5 o'clock when the police came to my house—Sergeant Brannan and Hannah and Young came into my room—they knocked at my door and I asked what they wanted—they said "Open the door," and they came in my room and Sergeant Brannan told me I was implicated in the robbery of a portmanteau, stolen from the top of a cab—I said I did not know anything about it—they told me I. must come with them—I told them to leave the room while I dressed myself and they said they were all married men, it did not matter—they remained in the room—I dressed myself—I was taken outside and put in the cart—the cart broke down as I got in it and I walked to the station "with the policeman—I was then put with Parrock and charged with stealing the portmanteau—on the following day I was taken before the Magistrate at Marlborough Street and ultimately on the 18th I was discharged—I was in the Bolton Road when I was walking about on the previous night—I did not recognise Parrock at all at the police-station or before the Magistrate—I never saw the man before to my knowledge—I knew nothing whatever about the cart or the portmanteau, and had nothing at all to do with it—I had a black and red shawl on that night—I don't know where Rose. Parker is now, I think she was taken into custody last Saturday night.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. Whilst I was with Parker, I heard her call out "All right No. 111"—that was the old number of Parrock when he was in the police force—she called out that to a man in the Bolton Road, but I could not swear that it was Parrock—Rose Parker told me afterwards it was him, and she told me it was the old number he bore in the force—she told me that at the same time—when the police came they asked me what I had done with the young man I had been walking with—I don't remember who asked that question—I could not swear it was Hannah—Hannah appears to have known where I was living—I had not seen Hannah often before to my knowledge, nor yet Sergeant Brannan—I swear that Hannah and Young remained in the room as well as Brannan—Brannan stood with his back to me whilst I was dressing; he was searching my chest of drawers—I am quite sure Young and Hannah were in the room—I was convicted last week for being drunk, but I was no more drunk than I am now; it was nothing but spite—I was charged with stealing flowers, but I bought them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> When Rose Parker spoke to Parrock, and said "All right 111," a young woman was with him—it was about 1 o'clock or 12.50—know now who the woman was, but I did not then; it was a young woman they call
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—I never told Brannan, or said in his presence, that I was with Parrock on the night of the 18th, or the morning of the 19th—I never admitted it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-27" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE CHARLWOOD</persName> </hi>. I live at 19, Beaumont Cottages, Linton Place—in February last I lived at 1, Bolton Mews, Portobello Road—I was out on the night of Ash Wednesday and saw a man, whom I now know as Parrock, about 12.55,. between Cuff's and Patch's the baker's—Parrock spoke to mo and we walked across the road together—I saw three policemen standing at the corner near the Post-office—I don't know who they were—I can't say that the defendant was one of them—Parrock and I walked up Bolton Road, and went to Edney's coffee stall and had a cup of coffee—that is at the corner of Ledbury Road—I saw my brother-in-law there—I turned my back and said to Parrock "There is my brother-in-law, I don't wish him to see me out so late, I will leave the coffee;"—Parrock said to the coffee stall man "Leave the coffee till this lady comes back," and we then left—we came back and drank the coffee and walked up towards Bishop's Road Bridge—I should say we were together about three quarters of an hour altogether—I left Parrook about 1.45 at Bishop's Road Bridge—when I was with him he said he had been a policeman, and when we passed Westbourne Terrace he pointed to a mark on the pavement and said he must not pass that stone because he might be reported, and he put his coat collar up—there was a policeman went down a turning before we went down, and Parrock said he went down to sleep—we then walked over the stone and walked to the Bishop's Road Bridge, and during that time he said he was a policeman and was on duty till 4 o'clock in the morning—he told me he was a policeman in private when I was with him—I did not tell him who I was before I left him—I was passing by the name, of Charlwood at that time—I never heard that I was known as
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—I did not tell him what my name was or who I was—I am a niece of Inspector Charlwood—I did not talk about him that night—I had a black dress on that night trimmed with crape, a black shawl, and a black hat with a long white feather—I did not see anything of the cart that night—I did not go into the Talbot Road at all—on Monday, 27th April, my brother gave me a card—I was going to my sister's, but my brother came out and said "
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> </p>
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<p>here is a card for you"—it was the card of Mr. Brannan's solicitor—I can't tell you his name—I saw Sergeant Brannan at his house the same day I bad the card—the card was left with me and I did not think proper to go there, and I went to his house, as he was in the case—I saw his wife, and waited till he came in—I saw him then—he gave me a great deal of gin, and it is spirits I can't drink, and then we went by the Underground Rail way to Moorgate Street and to his solicitor—I was under the influence of drink—he caught hold of my arm at Moorgate Street, and asked his wife to go on a little further, and he said to me "Will you do me a favour?"—I said "What is that?"—he said "Will you swear you: had a plaid shawl, a black dress, and a black bonnet, and passed the cart with Parrock and George Richmond, and saw Parrock get up on the wheel of the cart and touch the portmanteau, and get down and walk as far as the corner with you, and speak to two strange men, and ask them whether they would get up and-drive, as they were well known and might be suspected?"—that is that Parrock was well known—I asked Brannan if he thought I was a fool, and I said "I was not brought down here to false swear with any man; where I am going I shall say no more than I know, and that is all; I shall say the truth"—he took me to his solicitor's doorway, took my rail way ticket-away, and left me there—the solicitor sent for him to see if he was at the public-houses near, bat he was nowhere to be found—he had got my railway ticket—the solicitor sent his clerk with me to the railway station, and I went home.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. It was on Ash Wednesday night that I first spoke to Parrock—I met him close to Cuff's Post Office about 22.50 or 12.55—I had been to the Metropolitan Music Hall—I walked from there to the Edgware Road Station and got out at Notting Hill—I stood talking to a young friend of mine there and got to Cuff's Post Office about 12.50 or 12.55—I was only with Parrock three quarters of an hour—I was after wards summoned as a witness to the Police Court—I was stopped with a paper in Portabella Road—I was at the Police Court when Brannan was committed for trial; that was on the 9th of April—I had not seen Mr. Barnard the Solicitor, or Brannan, or any one connected with the case at that time—I was only at Marlborough Street Police Court on one occasion, and on that occasion Mr. Lewis declined to all me as a witness against Brannan—I had come along Blenheim Crescent into the Portobello Road when Parrock came up and said "Where are you going to?"—I said "I am hurrying home, don't you think it is high time?"and then we went across by Patch's the baker's, and it was there I saw the three constables standing at the corner—Parrock came closer to me and said "I would not have them see me for a gold watch or a pension"—I said "Why not?"and he said "Nothing much"—I went with him up the Bolton Road to the corner of the Ledbury Road, and there I said I would have a cup of coffee, and he ordered two cups and paid for them, and before I could drink it my brother-in-law came up, and not wishing that he should see me out so late at night, I turned my back and walked away, and Parrock told the coffee stall man to put the cup on one side till-1 came back, and we walked to the arch and watched for my brother-in-law to go away, and we then returned and finished the coffee; we then left and went to the corner of West bourne Grove, where there is a letter pillar box, and it was there that we had the conversation about his being a policeman on duty, and he pointed to a place there, where he said the policemen were in the habit, of</p>
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<p>going down for a couple of hours to sleep in the cab or cabs, and he asked me to wait for him while he went to speak to a policeman whom he said had gone down the mews—I saw a policeman go by, but he walked straight up, he did not go down the mews—Parrock did not speak to any policeman although he said he was going to—I said that I would not wait—he asked me to go to a room with him, and I said no, I would go home—he said he was late the evening before and could not get to the station for his money, so that he must go there then, and could not stop—he said he would send me some money to the post office; that was when he was soliciting me to go to a room—I said "If you have a wife you had better go home to her"—he said he was a single man—it was the 27th April when Brannan took me by the railway to Mr. Barnard's office—I was not quite sober when I got there—Brannan was not there—I told Mr. Barnard I was not going to false swear for any one, and he said "The best thing you can do is to speak the truth, and nothing but the truth"—I made a statement to him, and put my name to it—he read it over to me before I signed it, and I said it was quite right—Mr. Barnard, I believe, told me I should have to attend the Sessions—I had a letter afterwards and went to Mr. Wontner's office—Parrock and Richmond took me there; that was after I had been brought here as a witness by Mr. Barnard, the solicitor, to whom I made that statement—when I went to Mr. Wontner's there was nobody in the room but Mr. Wontner's clerk when I made my statement—they called me and I went in the room by myself—Parrock and, Richmond went in before I went in—I have had half-a-crown each time I have been to Mr. Wontner's office—I have not had any other allowance since I have been a witness for the prosecution—I think I have had five or six half-crowns—it was not the first time that I was at Mr. Wontner's that I said anything about gin or being under the influence of liquor—I told Mr. Barnard, and I had told Richmond before I got to Mr. Wontner's—I said I was not right, I was not square—I don't believe I said I did not recollect what passed at Mr. Barnard's—the gin was given to me at Mr. Brannan's house—I went there at 11 o'clock or a little after and we came out at 3 o'clock; I was there four hours—we were not drinking all the time, we did stop a little while I believe—Mr. Brannan and his wife were there, and the servant girl who had got Mrs. Brannan's baby—I had some tea; I drank half my tea, and my cup was filled up with gin by Mr. Brannan—I had no more gin after I left Brannan's, they wanted me to have some, and I had a bottle of lemonade, that was going to the station—I was not so sober at 3 o'clock as I was at Mr. Barnard's at 4 or 5 o'clock—after I had been to Mr. Wonter's I saw Parrock and Richmond at Notting Hill; they got out at the same same station—I was in their company—I have not been in their company since—I have never seen Parrock until to day, only the sessions' days—I did not tell Mr. Wontner that what I was asked to swear falsely was that I had seen Parrock put the portmanteau into the cart—I said that I was asked to take that Parrock got up on the wheel and touched the portmanteau—I am quite sure it was not "Look at the portmanteau"—I have known R Richmond about three or four years—I was nursemaid to his children while his wife was ill in bed—that was about three' years ago—I am 18 now—I did not hear Richmond swear at Police Court that he had never known
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—Edney told me I was known as
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter, and I said I did not know of such a name; I never heard it before—he stopped</p>
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<p>me in the Portobello Road, and said he had been offered 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to find me—I did not ask Mr. Barnard whether the evidence I was expected to give would do any damage to Richmond, or say that if it would I would not give evidence, as I had lived in his service—I said I had been in his service—I did not express a hope that what I had to say would not injure Richmond in any way—I did not see Parrock running while I was with him at all—I did not see the two officers Goldsworthy or Ship at all.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I did not see any constables taking horses to the Green Yard—Parrock and Richmond went down to Mr. Wontner's and they said I should be wanted as well, and a piece of paper was given to me by Inspector Hole to go—I met Mr. Richmond and he went down with me—I went into the room and my statement was taken down—the statement produced here which I signed at Mr. Barnard's office was read over. to me—I understood that Parrock was a constable in plain clothes, and when he put his coat collar up I supposed it to be so that they should not take much notice of his face. (Mr. Besley
<hi rend="italic">called for the statement given, by the witness to Mr. Wontner.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">declined to produce it, but the state merit made by her to Mr. Barnard was ready which in substance was contained in her cross-examination.</hi>)</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">then submitted that the statement made by the witness to Mr. Wontner should-also be read, he having been furnished by the prosecution with a copy of it, upon which he had founded his cross-examination.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected, upon the general principle, that it was a communication between the witness and the attorney.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COMMON SERGEANT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that as the witness had had the document read over to her, and acknowledged its accuracy, it was admissible for the purpose of contradiction; it then became a question whether, in the discretion of the Court, it should be used for that purpose; and, in his opinion, under the circumstances of this case, he should exercise that discretion by calling for its production.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-28" type="given" value="JOHN"/>ST. JOHN WONTNER</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor—I am conducting this case as agent for the Solicitor of the Treasury—I saw the witness Charlwood at my office, I think it was in the May Session, the first Session that the case was put into my hand—I have a clerk who writes shorthand—I asked Charlwood to make her statement, she did so, and it was taken, down in shorthand—I put questions to her to clear, up matters which I thought desirable—her statement was then read over to her from the shorthand notes; it was afterwards reduced into writing, and a copy of it was given to—the solicitor for the defence, so that he might know the substance of the evidence she was to give, as she had not been examined before the magis
<lb/>trate—I' saw her in the course of last week—I had this copy of the notes of further evidence given to the prisoner's solicitor, I read it over to her to know whether she assented to it as being accurate; she made one. or two. slight alterations, and then she put her mark to it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. This prosecution was not instituted originally by the Treasury, but after the case was committed for trial, Parrock not having the means to carry it on—I am not aware that Mr. Knox also applied to have the assistance of the Treasury—I had nothing whatever to do with the proceedings at the Police Court, nor had the Trea sury—I only know from the depositions that the committal took place early in April—at the first Session after the committal no bill was preferred, an application was made, on my instructions, to allow a Session to pass that I might prepare the indictment, as I only received instructions on the Tuesday</p>
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<p>in the Session, I had not even a copy of the depositions—in the first indict ment that was prepared there was a mistake, a.m. being put instead of p.m.—a second indictment was afterwards preferred, containing two counts instead of one, but on exactly the same facts, and containing the same alle
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Parrock only applied to the Treasury immediately before the May Session—I had nothing to do with the case previous to that—I got up the case in the ordinary way, so as to place the facts before the jury. (
<hi rend="italic">The statement of Charlwood was then put in and read, the substance of it was contained in her examination-in-chief.</hi>)</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman X</hi> 215). On the night of Ash Wednesday, 18th February, I went on duty at 10 o'clock—my beat was from the Elgin Road to the Cornwall Road and Talbot Road—about 12.20 I was in the Talbot Road and saw a cart standing there near the corner of Colville Square, between the corner of the square and Portobello Road—I did not see any one with it or near it—I walked up to it, just glanced inside and crossed over—I did not notice anything particular—I was joined by acting Sergeant Hannah—I spoke to him about the cart and called his attention to it—we crossed over the way to the cart, and Parrock and Richmond came along—we had then just got to the cart—they came from the direction of Westbourne Park, from the eastward, near the pillar post—Parrock said to Hannah "How are you
<hi rend="italic">Bob</hi>?" I did not catch Hannah's reply—I asked Parrock how he was off for work—he said "Work, what about work this time of night, bed is the best place"—we then bade them good night, and walked towards Colville Square—Parrock and Richmond appeared to be going in the direction of Notting Hill, that is towards Portobello Road—I had seen them coming along the Talbot Road 50 or 60 yards before they came up to the cart where I was standing—Hannah and I were both in uniform—I knew Parrock well; I did not know Richmond—there was no woman with them or following them—after they had passed on we examined the cart, and found in it a portmanteau covered with a rug—I found nothing else—Hannah then directed me to conceal myself in an area on the opposite side of the road—the cart was on the Colville Square 'side of the way—Hannah went away—I concealed myself in the area as directed, I should say about 13 to 16 yards from the cart—I could see the cart perfectly from there—I continued to watch the cart—after I had been there from ten to fifteen minutes, as near as I can recollect, I saw Sergeant Brannan come up, he was in uniform—he went towards the cart, and seeing the police were there I whistled and he came across to me—I said to him "You see the cart"—he said "Yes, yes, there are three men and a woman wanted for it, go up Portobello Road and detain Parrock and a female, I will bring the cart along"—I then came out of the area and went in pursuit of them; I went right up Portobello Road and looked about, I was not able to find them—I had left Brannan at the area, near the cart—after searching about for some time I came back into the Porto
<lb/>bello Road and saw Sergeant Brannan and Sergeant Varnham—I had been away I should think three-quarters of an hour, or it might have been an hour—I and Brannan got into the cart, it was then in the Portobello Road, and we drove to Parrock's house—as near as I can remember it must have been about 12.35 when Brannan first came up—Parrock did not touch the cart at all, nor did he walk backwards and forwards in front of the cart; he simply did what I have described—there is no place of conceal
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<p>in the Talbot Road except the areas, unless you go down a turning, but then you could not gee the cart—I should say the doorways there would not afford places of concealment—I did not see anything whatever of Cook or Charlwood—when we arrived at Parrock's house, which I think was a little after 2 o'clock, we found that he had not come home—Brannan and I went inside, and he searched the lower part of the house—Parrock came home about 3.30—I spoke to him, Brannan was not present, he was inside—I took hold of Parrock and told him that Sergeant Brannan wanted to see him, with that the sergeant came out of the gateway and, took hold of him and said "What have you been doing with that horse and cart," and I think "a portmanteau," but that I won't be quite positive of—Parrock said "What cart, I know nothing about it"—I then took
<hi rend="italic">him</hi> to the station—I was not present when Cook was taken into custody, I was outside the house minding the cart; she was taken from her own house—we took Parrock to the station first and then we went to Cook's—Brannan, Varnham; and Hannah, I think, went and apprehended her, I was outside minding the cart—I did not hear anything that passed between Cook and Brannan—she was afterwards brought to the station-pearlier in the morning, about 6 o'clock I saw Brannan in the passage at the police-station—Hannah and Varnham were there—I had found out at that time that the portmanteau belonged to Sir George Jenkinson—Brannan said to me "Look here Young, this is your case, let me have the handling of it, this portmanteau belongs to a big man, a Member of Parliament, if you don't let me have the management of it an inspector will poke his nose into it and do you out of it"—I said "You appear to know all about it"—he said "Yes, yes, leave it to me," or some words to that effect, I can't exactly remember the last words; that was all that passed then—afterwards at the Police Court, before Parrock and Cook were taken before Mr. Knox I again had some conversation with Brannan in the yard attached to the Police Court; I went up to him and said "Sergeant Brannan had I not better get in the witness-box first, you can then bring in what you know about the woman Cook"—he said "Oh, be b——d, you leave it to me, I will mix it up for the
<hi rend="italic">sod</hi>," both Hannah and Varnham were there—Brannan was the first witness called, then Varnham, and then me—on the day that Partook and Cook were discharged, 28th February, I was outside an omnibus with Brannan, we were going from the Court to Notting Hill—Brannan said to me "This is a bad job, will you stick to me, and will you lean to counsel if questions should be put to you, that is supposing I get one"—I said "I can't alter my deposition"—he said "I know that, do the best you can for me"—I made no further reply then—on one of the occasions when Brannan was before the Magistrate charged with perjury I had some con
<lb/>versation with him at the back of the Court; it was Hannah who was talking to him, I did not hear the whole conversation, it was something about the small fry should be got into it and that Brannan should get out of it, that was the rumor, and Hannah asked him if it was true—Brannan denied it, he said "God forbid"—I think I first heard that the
<hi rend="italic">Jemmy</hi> and knife had been found in the cart on the second hearing—I had not searched the cart sufficiently to see whether there was
<hi rend="italic">a jemmy</hi> and knife there, they might have been under the straw.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I don't think I stated in the first exami
<lb/>nation against Parrock that I saw the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi>—Varnham carried
<hi rend="italic">the jemmy</hi> and knife; I remember stating "I was in Court when Brannan gave</p>
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<p>evidence; I believe Varnham had the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> on the first occasion; I saw it"—I said just now that I thought it was on the second occasion I saw it; I have been ill for a long time—I have been reported for willful misconduct on my beat, for neglect of duty, and being absent from my beat; also for being found asleep in an unfinished building when on duty, and on the same occasion for being Under the influence of liquor—I have been reported six times for what they term misconduct—I was fined 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for not being on my beat for an hour and twenty minutes—I was fined for being found in a fish shop, and afterwards going to a public-house and drinking when on duty—I was reported for drinking a cup of coffee in the middle of the night, not for being absent from duty in company with a man; that was not at Edney's coffee stall—I erased a name from a police book; I think it should be explained how that did occur; a constable signed in the wrong place on receiving his armlet, and I scratched it out; the inspector asked me next day if I knew anything about it, I said I did it thinking there was no harm in it, and I was reported for that—on 29th January I was drinking outside a public-house when on duty—I have been seven years in the police next January; I still remain a constable—I have never been reduced from one rank to another—on the first examination of Parrock and Cook, Brannan was the first witness, and then Varnham—I did not go in before Varnham because I was not called—Varnham is a sergeant; it is not usual for a sergeant to be called first if his name is on the charge sheet; it all depends who is called by the magistrate—I believe I stated pretty nearly what I have to-day—I have not said to-day that Parrock never passed the cart twice, what I said was that they made a move to walk away, and when we returned we saw them standing just about the same spot; I had only been gone about a quarter of a minute; they passed the cart once, they must have done, and then retraced perhaps a couple of steps—I say that they did pass twice; I swear that—after we left them we walked towards Colville Square; we returned in about a quarter of a minute, and saw they had moved further towards the cart; I can't tell how many paces we had taken; we turned and walked back again and found Parrock and Rich
<lb/>mond just about the same place, they had moved a little nearer if anything—I saw them pass the cart twice, they passed it once, and retraced their steps two paces and then went away again; they did not absolutely pass it, but I call it passing if they came up against it; I should say they were up to the wheel—up to that time I had not seen Brannan—it is true that when we got up to them they walked away and disappeared—I think I said that Brannan moved the cart into the Portobello Road and left a constable in charge of it—I was told to watch the cart; I did so until Brannan came, and he directed me to follow Parrock and a female, which I did; the cart was then in the same spot; Brannan said he would bring it along—I said at the Police Court that he had moved it into Portobello Road and left a constable in charge of it; that was something I heard, and it was strength
<lb/>ened by what Brannan said to me when riding towards Parrock's house, that he wished he had not moved the cart, so I naturally concluded that it was so—I may have said on the first examination that Brannan said to Parrock that he should take him for stealing a portmanteau, and I think a horse and cart; I think what I did say was for stealing a horse and cart, and I think a portmanteau, but I may have reversed it—in my cross-exami
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<p>said "I met you against the cart about 12.30 or 12.35;" it was nearer 12.30 than 12.35 I think; at that time I did not believe that Parrock was concerned in receiving the property, or helping the man who had driven the cart up; I did not believe a word of it, I never believed from the first that there was a feather's weight of evidence against them in my opinion—I gave the evidence to the solicitor as to what Brannan said "Look here Young, this is your case, let me have the handling of it;"That conversation took place in the passage of the Police Station, Notting Hill, about 6 o'clock in the morning—Hannah and Varnham were present and heard it—I did not report that conversation to the superintendent or inspector—I did not say a word about it when I was examined against Parrock and Cook, or at the several examinations against Brannan—I was called twice I think—I think I mentioned it to Mr. Wontner about three Sessions ago; I believe it was in August; I believe it was read over to me, and I put my mark to it—I don't think it was taken down in short hand—Varnham was not present at the time I made the statement; not inside—Hannah was inside and Inspector Hole—I believe it was read over to me—I don't think I made any alteration in it—it was at the same time that I mentioned the conversation about getting first into the witness-box—I was not anxious at that time to get Parrock and Cook committed for trial, because my impression from the first was that Brannan had been the cause—the first conversation was in the passage, a little after 6 o'clock, and the second one at the yard of the Police Court, just before the case came on, about 11 o'clock—I said nothing about it till I went to Mr. Wontner—the conversation outside the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> was on the dismissal of the charge against Parrock and Cook—Hannah was present then, he was present at all the three conversations, and at Mr. Wontner's when I gave the details—after the charge of perjury was made we met Mr. Knox at the spot—Mr. Knox did not advise me to resign, if he did it was not in my hearing—I do not suffer in my sight, I am not short-sighted—they do not say so at the hospital, frat I know of, or that my sight is unequal; the sight of my eye is not defective, the. left may be a trifle defective, but nothing to speak of—I was not 39 yards off the cart when I was in the area; I should say at the utmost it was 17 or 18—there was a lamp alight very nearly oppo
<lb/>site, some few yards away—I was not so far from the cart as the Blenheim Arms, I was nearly opposite the cart—a person might see it 80 yards off, but I should question it very much—Mr. Knox said at the Police Court that I had no more right to be in the force than Parrock had, and that I ought to resign—what you asked me just now was whether Mr. Knox did not tell me to resign, and I say no, he did not advise me to resign—I can't say the exact words Mr. Knox used, I think he said "One was reported and the other discharged, and I can't see why the other was not discharged," or words to that effect—there was no light between me and the cart, the light was to the right, close to the kerb, on the opposite side of the way to the cart—part of the pavement at the side of the cart might be in shadow, I did not notice shadows, I looked after the cart—I was down the area—the houses there have portico's—I don't think anybody could call themselves concealed there except in the area, because anybody coming by could see them—I did not see the horse driven up—I believe Hannah tied the reins to the wheel—I did not see the man get out of the cart and go into the public-house; I did not see anything about the cart's arrival—my duty was in Talbot-road—I did not see the charge-sheet—I don't remember</p>
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<p>signing it (
<hi rend="italic">looking at it</hi>;) no, I did not—there is a urinal close to the Colville Hotel, but I believe that is generally locked at night; if it was not locked it would be a place of concealment, but not a very nice one, I should think—while I was down the area I did not see three or four persons pass along, stop and strike a light and endeavour to read the name on the cart—that did not happen, not that I saw—the area is about 5 ft. 6 in. deep—I was at the bottom and peered up above the level of the street—I was there about 10 or 15 minutes—the shops do not project, the areas are in front of the shops, I swear that, I should think they project 12 or 13 inches—the area I was in was not in front of a shop, or attached to a "shop, it was next but one to a shop, it was the area of a private house, there was a private house next and then a shop—that shop was not in front of the area where I was—I was not suffering particularly from illness on 19th Feb
<lb/>ruary, I have been suffering for years—I recollect everything that occurred—I sent in a letter of resignation—I made a charge against Inspector Hole.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I have been reported six times in seven years; the first report was in 1868—notwithstanding those reports I have been kept in the force—I know that Parrock was discharged for irregularities, the ob
<lb/>servation made by Mr. Knox was in his summing up—I could see the cart perfectly well from where I was in the area—the Magistrate and the Super
<lb/>intendent came and visited the spot—I was there to watch and see if any persons came up and dealt with the cart, and if they had I should have pounced out and seized them—I am not in the hospital for my eyes; but for something else, I was able to see the cart perfectly well—Brannan never suggested that he had concealed himself in the urinal—I was called as a witness against Parrock and Cook; I simply stated what I had seen—Mr. Wontner afterwards took down my full statement about those conversations.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-30" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT HANNAH</persName> </hi>. I am now in the service of the Great Western Railway Company—I was formerly in the Metropolitan Police Force—resigned; my time expired on the 30th June—I left of my own accord—I had been in the Force four years and a month—on the night of the 18th February I was acting sergeant—I left the Notting Hill Station to visit the men about 9.45, after I had posted them—I went to the Talbot Road, and got there about 12.15 on the morning of the 19th—I was in uniform—I saw Young,. No. 215, standing near the Colville Hotel, near the Portobello Road, and he called my attention to a horse and cart there—we waited a minute or two and crossed from the Colville Hotel to the horse and cart—Parrock and Richmond came down from the direction of Westbourne Park—I noticed them a few yards before they got up to us—they stood a second, Parrock said "
<hi rend="italic">Halloa</hi> 2? show are you going on?"or "Good night"—I forget the expression but something to that effect—I answered him in an offhand way—we left them and walked in the same direction, they had come, towards Westbourne Park; they made a stand at the corner of the square; I looked round and I saw Parrock going towards the cart—I am not positive whether Richmond turned or not—I suppose that Parrock was up as far as the horse; we stood there and they walked away towards Portobello Road—I saw no more of them then—we went back and thoroughly examined the cart, and found the portmanteau—Parrock did not touch the cart at all while he was there—he did not put his foot on the wheel or step or touch it in any way, or walk backwards and forwards</p>
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<p>there was no woman with Parrock and Richmond—I saw no woman whatever about there—I knew Parrock; I had done duty with him—I knew he had been discharged from the Force—I had lodged in the same house with him. I saw the portmanteau in the cart partially covered with a rug—I did not get into the cart—I said to Young "I don't exactly understand this, I believe there is something wrong, you go in that area opposite," pointing to one of the private areas there—we secured the wheel first "of all by means of the reins—Young went down one of the areas—I think it was the first; that would be, I should say, 32 yards from the cart, on the opposite side of the road—I should say it was about 12.25 when I left him there—I went away and remained in Portobello Road between Cornwall Road and Elgin Road, near the post-office—I saw Parrock there with a woman; they passed me—I was standing on the kerb next door to the post-office—I took the woman to be the woman Cook who was charged—they went in the direction of Archer Street—I saw Brannan about seven or ten minutes after Parrock and the woman had passed—I had left there and gone down the Portobello Road again, and when I came back I saw Brannan near the post-office—I first reported "All right sergeant," and then I asked him whether he had received any information—he said "Why?" I then reported the circumstance of the cart and posting Young—he said "All right, I know all about it, you go after Parrock and the woman and stop them"—I told him I had' seen Parrock and another man pass the cart—I detailed the whole of it—all I said about the woman was that I had seen Parrock and the woman pass—I might have said I believed it to be Cook, or that it was Cook—after I had reported the whole of it to him he told, me to go after Parrock and the woman—I told Brannan that Parrook had merely turned towards the cart, that is all I said—I went after Parrock and the woman, but I was not able to find them, and I returned to Portobello Road in about, fifteen or twenty minutes—it was about 12.50 as near as I can guess when I first saw Braanan—when I came back I saw Brannan near the cart in Porto bellow Road, and I told him I could not find them—he said "Perhaps they are in the Mews in Buckingham Terrace," and I went back again—I saw Sergeant Varnham and asked him if he had seen them, he said he had in Portobello Road—I told him Sergeant Brannan wanted them, and we went together—we returned and I met Young in Archer Street, and we walked own together—I was not present when Parrock was taken in custody; I was when Cook was taken—she said, "I know nothing whatever about it, you must have made a mistake in the party"—she said that once or twice—Brannan was there—I first heard of the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and knife about 9.30 in the morning—I saw the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> on the reserve room table and said "Halloa, what is that," and then I heard it had been found in the cart—I was present at the police-station about 6 o'clock in the morning when Brannan had some conversation with Young—we were in the passage—I think there was Young, Varnham and myself—Brannan came and said "Look here Young, this is a good job, belonging to a big man or a great man, an M.P., you had better let me have the handling of this, otherwise we shall have the Inspector shoving his nose into it," Young said. "Very well you can have it as you appear to know so much about it"—I won't be positive of the expression, but it was something to that effect—in the yard at the Police Court, I heard Young say to Brannan, "I think I had better get in the box first sergeant, had not I?"Brannan said "No I will get in the box"—that was before there was any conversation, and shortly Braanan</p>
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<p>came back and said "I am going in to the box first of all"—we had a little talk over it, and we all thought it was Young's place to
<hi rend="italic">get</hi> in the box first of all, and Brannan fired up and said, "Let it alone to me, I will mix it up for myself"—he went and got in the box first—after the charge was dismissed, I went away on an omnibus with Young and Brannan—Brannan sat in the middle I think—I heard a conversation he had with Young on that occa
<lb/>sion—I think Young told him first of all that Parrock had taken out a summons against him for perjury—Brannan said "I don't care much if they have, but if they do, and questions are put by counsel will you lean to it," or "Will you lean to me"—I told him it was no use to talk like that we had given our evidence which was correct—he said "I don't mean that, but if questions are put to you, will you lean to counsel"—I told him we we would not—I thought that the woman I saw with Parrock was Cook—I could not say that I ever noticed Charlwood before—I should not like to swear that Cook is the woman now, although I firmly believed at the time she was.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>. I knew the woman Cook before, but not to say well—I said at the Police Court "I swear positively that Cook was a woman I had seen about as a prostitute. I believe her name was Cook. I was perfectly familiar with her appearance"—I gave evidence to that effect—before she was discharged I was perfectly certain that she was the woman—I was examined against Sergeant Brannan at the Police Court—I believe it was three times in all—I did not mention on either of those three occasions a single word in examination in chief or cross-examination about the conversation which I have stated to-day—I don't-remember when I mentioned that conversation to Mr. Wontner—I have not the date with me—it was the second day I went to Mr. Wontner's office, 3, Cloak Lane—I think it was later than April; it was 8th May—Young was with me—he heard the statement I made to Mr. Wontner, and I heard him make his statement—Young made his first, and then I made mine—they were written down at the time—I had been the day before to Mr. Wontner's, but I had not made any statement—Young spoke to me first about making that statement to Mr. Wontner a week or a fortnight before, and I said I should, state the facts and the truth—after Parrock spoke to me, he turned away, and went some yards; he then turned round and walked towards the cart—I had gone on to the corner of Colville Square—we turned and walked towards it, and then they went—when we turned he was about as far as the horse's head—I was next door to Cuff's post office, standing on the pavement, when I saw Brannan—I am not positive that I mentioned Cook's name to him—I may have said Parrock and the woman—I may have sworn at the Police Court that I mentioned Cook's name—I went to Bosworth Road with Sergeant Varnham—I did not tell Varnham to go to the station and tell the Inspector I had found Cook's whereabouts; nothing of the sort—I did not send Varnham to the station; Varnham left me and said he would go to the station—it was about 12.50 that I saw Brannan near Cuff's post office—I saw Parrock and the woman walking arm-in-arm in the Portobello Road—that was seven or ten minutes before I met Brannan—I said at the Police Court, before Mr. Knox, the same as I say here, that I may have mentioned Cook's name—I was present at the arrest of Cook—I went into the house—it is not a fact that all the constables were in the room while she was dressing—it is not a fact that Sergeant Brannan told us to keep out of the room—we did stay outside—</p>
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<p>Brannan was in the room—he said something to the effect that he was a married man and would not look while she was dressing, and he turned his back to the bed and searched the drawers until the woman had dressed herself—the door was partly open and I could see Brannan at the drawers—I did not see the woman herself until she came to the door and said "You had better look in that side drawer, here are the keys if you want them"—I did not see any indelicacy or rudeness, and there was nothing more done than was necessary to prevent her escape—I should say from his manner that Brannan wished to save her from any unpleasantness—I did not make any report of the conversation, which I have sworn to-day, I heard to the inspector or superintendent—I wont say I did not mention it to any superior because Varnham knew about it—he was my superior—I may have mentioned it to Young a week or nine days before I went to Mr. Wontner's—I say to-day it was 12.15 when I saw Young first—I said at the Police Court on the first examination it was 12.5 but on the second or third examination I said it must be later than that—it must have been after Young had given his evidence that I altered it—Young may have said it was 12.20, but I was not there when he was examined and he did not tell me—I think it was the latter end of April that Young and I talked about that conversation, he recounted it to me—I can't say how long that was after Brannan's committal; it must have been before the committal—I know. a Police-constable of the name of Frost—it is very likely that I made a statement to Frost about my resigning; we lived together—I swear I did not tell Frost I should send in my resignation on account of Brannan's job, and that—I was afraid I should be dismissed from the Force because of my different statements—nothing of the sort—he is 20
<hi rend="italic">X Reserve</hi>—I might have told" him I had sent in my resignation—I 'thought of doing it a long while before I did—I don't think I told him I would put in my resignation because of Brannan's case—I could not swear I did not—I don't remember saying anything about Brannan's case—I won't undertake to swear I did not tell him so—I did not speak to Frost about my statements differing on the different examinations—I was receiving 27
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week when I was in the Police—my wages now are 21s—may I state my reason for accepting that; my intention was to go home and work at my trade, and this-trial being postponed I got this situation at the Great Western Railway.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The conversation I had with Young about the conversa
<lb/>tion with Brannan before we went to Mr. Wontner's office was this: Young said "You remember the morning he was charged don't you, well I shall out with that when I go up there"—I don't think there was anything further—Mr. Lewis examined me when I gave evidence at the Police Court on this charge of perjury—when Cook's room was searched she brought the keys and paid "Here are the keys if you want to look"—that was after she was dressed.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-31" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN NEWKAN</persName> </hi>. I am the keeper of the Notting Hill Green Yard—on the morning of the 19th February a cart and horse was brought there between 4 and 5 o'clock by two policemen—after they had gone I searched the cart and found a small crowbar and a knife wrapped up in a piece of paper in the front of the cart—I found them not many minutes after I took. the horse in; I went to take the straw out and saw something in the cart and took it out—I saw Sergeant Brannan that morning—he came to my place to give me orders to take the-horse and cart to the Police Court</p>
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<p>that was the same morning between 7 and 8 o'clock—I showed him the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and the knife and told him I had found them in the cart, he said "I don't believe so," or "I don't think so"—I gave them to him—there was another Sergeant with Sergeant Brannan—they took the things away.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>. The cart was brought to my place between 4 and 5 o'clock—it did not leave my place to go to the Police Court—I kept it there—Sergeant Brannan came between 7 and 8 o'clock to tell me to take the cart to Marlborough Street—I was to be there when the Court opened, at 10 o'clock—he did not say he had come for something he had forgotten—he said he had come to search the cart—I showed him what I had found and he said "You don't mean it"—Sergeant Varnham was with him, and took away the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and the knife.</p>
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<persName id="t18741026-name-32" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18741026-name-32" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-32" type="surname" value="DREWITT"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-32" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY DREWITT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant X</hi> 37). I was acting Inspector at the Notting Hill Station on the morning of 19th February—I took the charge against Parrock and Cook—Brannan was there and preferred the charge—I asked him what property was to be put on the charge-sheet; ho told me, and I entered what he told me—he did not say anything at that time about the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and the knife—afterwards, later in the morning, I entered the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and knife; that was about 7.15, an hour and a quarter after the charge had been taken—they were brought in to mo by Sergeant Varnharn, who stated they had been found in the cart, and he had brought them from the Green Yard, and then I entered them as they now appear.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>. Sergeant Varnham is here to-day as a witness—I served the summons on the woman Charlwood—I had the summons, I think, two days before I found her—I did not tell Mr. Knox that she was about and that I could find her—the charge against Parrock and Cook was read over in the presence of Young—Varnham brought the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and the knife wrapped up in a piece of paper—I was not at the Police Court on the first day of the hearing of the case against Parrock and Cook—I was not there until the fourth or fifth time, I think—Varnham said they had been to the Green Yard, and the knife and
<hi rend="italic">jemmy were</hi> given to them by the Green Yard keeper—the words knife and
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> were on the charge-sheet when Parrock and Cook were first before Mr. Knox, and before the sheet left the station at all.</p>
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<persName id="t18741026-name-33" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18741026-name-33" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-33" type="given" value="JONAS"/>JONAS HOLE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector X</hi>), On the morning of 19th February I was at the Notting Hill Police Station—I received a telegram there about a portmanteau about 1.15—Brannan was there at the time—he went out about 12.10 for the purpose of going his round—Talbot Road is about half a mile from the police-station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I have been in the force seventeen years, and I have known Sergeant Brannan just over four years—he has been under mo four years—he was under Super intend ant Eccles before I came there—he is the son of the late Inspector Brannan who used to attend to the Mint cases—during the four years he has been under me ho has performed his duty very satisfactory indeed; and in every way, as far as I know, he has borne the character of being a diligent, careful, and truthful officer—I never knew him tell an untruth during the time he was under me—he had been recommended for promotion at this time—he had been some 30 days on the sick list from ill health up to the day before this occurred—I think that was the first day ho had resumed duty—I was not present at the Police Court on the first occasion—I was at the police station when Parrook was brought in—I did not say to Brannan in Parrock's hearing "No,</p>
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<p>Brannan, that won't do"—that is not true—it is not true that Brannan said "I charge him with. stealing a horse and cart," or that I said "Come, come, Brannan, that won't do"—if Parrook says that it is false—Sergeant Varnham is under me—he has attended on all the days when this matter was before the Magistrate—he gave evidence in Parrook's matter, and I believe he was called by Mr. Lewis when he had the prosecution of Brannan—he was subpconed by the prosecution.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined</hi>, I could not say whether he was the second witness called in Parrock's case—I don't recollect whether he was called when Brannan was charged with perjury—I know he was subpoened to attend and I thought he was called—I could not say whether he was or not—Brannan was sergeant at that time—I can't say how long he had been a sergeant; he has been four years under me, how long before that I can't say—he was under consideration for promotion, that would have to be determined by the superior officers of Scotland Yard.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-34" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-34" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN WORSLEY</persName> </hi>. I am landlord of the Blenheim Arms—I was in the bar on Ash Wednesday, 18th February last—I knew Parrock and Richmond—they came in shortly after 10 o'clock and remained until closing time, which was 11.55 or 11.58 as near as possible—I can't say exactly whether they left the house during that time—I went into supper—I never missed them from the house—I heard something about a letter—the barmaid was asked for a stamp—I think Richmond asked, I am not sure—the stamp was supplied; we oblige sometimes after the post is closed.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>. The earliest time that I saw Parrock and Richmond was shortly after 10 o'clock—I was in the bar the whole of the evening from 5 o'clock and I continued there up to 12 o'clock, except per
<lb/>haps ten minutes for supper—I should think that was about 11 o'clock, from 5 till 11 o'clock I was there continuously—I never saw either of them go out—if they did it was not (
<hi rend="italic">or</hi> more than a minute or two—they were sitting in the bar the whole while—I did not hear a cart drive up, and I should not have noticed if there had been a cart pass, because so many pass—no one came in just before closing time on the side they were sitting—there might be some one in the other portion of the bar, but I don't remember.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I never missed them during the whole time—my barmaid was here the whole of yesterday—I have not seen her here to-day.</p>
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<persName id="t18741026-name-35" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18741026-name-35" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-35" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM RICHMOND</persName> </hi>. I live in Earl's Court—I remember giving my son a letter to post, but I can't say the date—it was about the 18th of February—it was addressed to my sister at Yarmouth—I gave it to my son to get a stamp and post—I got an answer to my letter, but not for some time after wards.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I have not got' the letter.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-36" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-36" type="surname" value="GOLDSWORTHY"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-36" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GOLDSWORTHY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman X</hi> 131). On the night of Ash-Wends day, 18th February, I was with another constable named Ship in Baiter's Fields, about 9.45—while'we were there-1 remember saying to Ship "Come on,
<hi rend="italic">Jack</hi>; this is the nearest way, through here"—that was through a farm—I saw a man and a woman—I did not know who it was at the time—I afterwards saw George, No. 360, with some horses—that was in the morning about 12.40 or 12.45—saw Parrock then—that was at Ladbroke Grove Road, Notting Hill.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I had seen him at 9.45 with some woman, but not Cook or Charlwood, or his wife—I next saw him at 12.45 in</p>
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<p>Ladbroke Grove Road between the Railway Arch and Cambridge Gardens he was in company with George—I believe George is here—I have seen him this morning—Ship was there too—I heard Parrock remind Ship of the words he had used at 9.45 when I saw him at 12.45—he said "Was that you, Ship, that I saw in the Fields at quarter to 10?"—Ship said "I was there"—he said "I thought it was you and Bill, I can tell you the words that Bill said to you; did not he say come on,
<hi rend="italic">Jack</hi>, this is the nearest way through here"—Ship said "Yes"—I should think the distance from the Blenheim Arms to the place where I saw Parrock at 12.45 was three-quarters of a mile—I can fix the time because I was going off duty—Charlwood was not with him then.</p>
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<persName id="t18741026-name-37" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18741026-name-37" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-37" type="surname" value="SHIP"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-37" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT SHIP</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman X</hi> 141). I was with Goldsworthy in Salter's Fields on the night of 18th February, about 9.45—I remember him saying to me "Come on
<hi rend="italic">Jack</hi>, this is the nearest way out"—I saw a man and woman there at that time, but I did not know them then—I saw Parrock the next morning, and he said "Was that you and
<hi rend="italic">Cornwall</hi> in the farm-yard? "—that is what we call the other constable—I said "Yes"—he said "I thought it was, because he said 'Come along
<hi rend="italic">Jack</hi>' I knew the voice"—it was about 12.45 in the morning when I saw him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. He was fixing on my mind what had occurred at 9.45, and he repeated the exact words—George was there, and he said in the presence of George "I can repeat the exact words that you used at a quarter to ten"—he did not seem out of breath at that time—I did not notice that he had been running.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-38" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-38" type="surname" value="STEVENS"/>
<interp inst="t18741026-name-38" type="given" value="OLIVE"/>OLIVE STEVENS</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Amos Stevens, and live at 1, Bolton Mews—Sergeant Brannan called at my house and left a card—I don't know what was on it—he inquired for Caroline Charlwood—she was not with me at the time; she had been gone a few days—he left the card for her—I afterwards gave it to my little brother to take to Charlwood.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>. I don't remember what was on the card—I knew it was a solicitor's card at the time Brannan left it, but I did not know it was Mr. Barnard's—Brannan said "Would you give that to your sister"—my sister had been living with me, but she had been gone a few days—she had been living with me since she left her place—when Brannan left the card, he told me it was for my sister to go to his "solicitor's—I did not see what was written on the card—there was some printing on it, I believe—it was that gentleman (Mr. Barnard) who gave me the card he was with Sergeant Brannan.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-39" type="given" value="ROSE"/>ROSE PARKER</persName> </hi>. I have been living at 1, Oak Terrace, Bromley Road, Notting Hill—on the night of Ash-Wednesday, the 18th February, I was with Mary Ann Cook—I joined her about 9.40 in Ladbroke Grove Road—I remained with her till about 12-50 or 12.55—I won't be sure for a minute or two—we were not in Parrock's company at all during that time—I knew him—I saw him in the Bolton Road that night with Charlwood—I think that was a little after one—I did not see Richmond at all—I was near Cuffs post office, that must have been before 1 o'clock—I saw a cart pass by with several policemen in it—I had not seen that cart before—I went to Marlborough Street in the first place as a witness for Mrs. Cook, but I was not called—I was called at the last when Brannan was charged with perjury—I was only called once—I have not seen Brannan for a long time—I have been brought up from prison here—I have been threatened that I should not give evidence here by several policemen, and I am sorry I was ever on the case.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. I think I have spoken to Sergeant Brannan twice; once here at the Old Bailey, and once in the street by the Elgin public-house as I passed him—that was before he was committed for trial—the charge against me is being with a gentleman in the Lancaster Road—the charge was made on Saturday night, at Notting Hill, and I was taken before Mr. Ingram, at Hammersmith—he asked me what I had to say, and I said it was quite a false charge, and I was bound over in 140
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to appear yesterday morning, and then he took no notice of what I said, and sent me to prison for fourteen days, in default of 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. bail—it must have gone 1 o'clock when I saw Parrock in Bolton Road, it was after I had seen the police go by in the cart that I saw him with Charlwood—I made a mistake just now; it was 1.10 when I left Cook in Portobello Road—we were together all that night—it was after I had seen Parrock that I wished her "Goodnight"—the cart passed me opposite Cuff's post office, at 1.10, driven by several policemen—I said at the police court "I saw Parrock at the entrance of Bolton Road, at a few minutes to 1 o'clock, he was with a female so similar to Mrs. Cook, that if I had seen her from behind I should not have known the difference between them"—that is quite true—I also said "Nobody has attempted to tamper with my evidence," and that was true to when I gave my evidence—I fix the time by the pie shop, which closes within a minute or two past 1 o'clock that is all I have to go by.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I say Cook and Charlwood are alike from behind:—they, are not alike looking at them in front—they are about the same height and form—at a distance I should take them to be the same—Mrs. Cook is slimmer built than the other one.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-40" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE PAYNE</persName> </hi>. I am a surveyor—I made the plan (
<hi rend="italic">produced) to</hi> a scale—it is correct—from the Blenheim Arms to Cuff's Post Office, going down the Portobello Road, it is 185 yards, and from there to the pillar box, along the Elgin Road through the Colville Road, it is a little over 2.40 yards more, and from the pillar box to where it is said the cart stood is 129 yards—the width of the Talbot Road where the cart was, is about 43 feet from wall to wall.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>. There are three houses and a line of shops—the line of shops run level with the areas of the three houses—where there is a shop there is no area—I got the information of where the cart was from Mr. Wontner's office—it was a little further east than the Colville Hotel—there is a blank wall opposite the Colville Hotel which runs down to the entrance of Colville Square—the cart was nearer Colville Square than Portobello Road—I don't know the distance to Blagrove Road where Richmond lives.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The distance from the western entrance to the square to the Portobello Road is 143 feet.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">desired that the witness Edney, whose name was on the batch of the bill, should be put in the box for examination, and that George and Yarn-ham, whose names had been mentioned, should also be called.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">did not propose to call any of those witnesses, and stated that it had been decided in the. Fenian case, by the Lord Chief Justice and Mr. Baron Bramwell, that the responsibility was with the counsel for the prosecution to call such witnesses as he thought fit.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">concurred in that decision: although a Judge might require a witness to be called whom he thought would throw any light on the case, he should not, in this instance, interfere with the discretion of Mr. Poland.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">The following witnesses were called for the defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-41" type="given" value="JOHN SPACEMAN"/>JOHN SPACEMAN HORNBLOW</persName> </hi>. I live at 3, Basing Road, Notting Hill—at midnight, on 18th February, I left the Duke of Wellington Hotel in company with two gentlemen named Francis Payne and Richard Randall Mr. Payne is not here to-day; I believe he has met with an accident; he was here yesterday; he has been here with me every Session that this case has been on—from the Duke of Wellington we had occasion to pass through the Talbot Road—I know the Colville Hotel; opposite that there is a blank wall; in passing that I saw a horse and cart standing there—I made some communication to the gentlemen who were with me—the horse appeared as if it had been driven very fast; the reins were down round its heels—I thought it very strange to see a horse and cart there at that time, and I walked round to the further side of the cart, put my foot on the wheel, and looked up into the cart—I pulled some matches out of my pocket, and stepped down off the wheel to see who the cart belonged to—I lighted three matches for the purpose of seeing the name—I did not at that moment see any person except my friends about the Talbot Road—we remained there some short time looking for a policeman—I saw something in a doorway on the opposite of the road, and I went across to look and a policeman came out dressed in uniform, it was the prisoner—I spoke to him—I should say then from twenty to twenty-five minutes after we had left the Duke of Wellington—we came out from there just after 12 o'clock, and there we stood talking some time, and smoking a cigar a few minutes—I asked Brannan if he knew anything about the cart—he told me to mind my own affairs, to go home, he knew all about it—we then proceeded along the Talbot Road as far as All Saints' Church, where I had to turn to go home—there is a pillar box opposite the church—I stood there talking to my friends for some time—at that time I saw two men in the doorway of the porch of the church; it is not much of a porch; they were exactly in the doorway—they came across and looked at us three, after we had observed them for about a minute, I should think—I was speaking to the gentlemen about those men; they did not speak to us—I think I said "Good night" To them, just merely to see if I could recognise who they were—they made no reply—they went towards where the cart was standing when we left it"; it was only about 50 yards distant—I was standing at the corner of the Colville Road, the next corner to where the cart was standing, on the east side—I saw them go round the corner into Colville Square, and then I saw them return towards the cart; they went out of sight for about a minute or a quarter of a minute, and then they came in sight again, and went towards the cart; they appeared hanging about—I saw no more of them after that—I should think I saw them altogether for about a quarter of an hour—they were shifting about the road quite as much as that—I made a communication to my two friends about them, in consequence of the character of their movements—I watched them, I thought it very strange, and the cart being there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>. I am an ex-publican, out of business at present—I was living at 3, Basing Road at this time, where I am living now—I was summoned before the Magistrate, but not called—that was when Brannan was charged with perjury—Mr. Sleigh conducted the case—I went into the Court once—I gave no information on this matter till I was called upon—I went to Mr. Barnard's, the solicitor's office—I don't know the date, it was some time after the examination at Marlborough Street—I</p>
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<p>have been in the police; I have my certificate here—I was in several divisions—I was in the B division—I was not dismissed or forced to resign—I left the police about seven years ago—I resigned of ray own accord—I was not in the B division when I left the force, I was acting Inspector of the V division—I did not know Braanan when I was in the B division, I knew his father—I never knew Sergeant Brannan; in fact I did not know him when I spoke to him that night—I never spoke to the man in my life—I might have seen him before, but I did not exactly know him—I did not know him by name, or who he was, I knew he was a sergeant of police—I was not charged with any offence when I was in the B division—I was never reported for any offence—I was reported once, I believe, that was some years ago, when I was in the C division, for gossiping for five minutes, that is all you have got against me—I should think the Duke of Wellington is about 150 yards from the Talbot Road; it may not be so much, from 100 to 150 yards—the Talbot Road was in my way home-:—I live at the end of it, just round the corner to the left, Clydesdale Road—that was my nearest way home—I should think it must have been about 12.15 or 12.20 when I saw Brannan; it might have been 12.25,1 did not pull out my watch, I don't think it could be later—I don't think it was 12.35, I will not swear to a minute, it may have been; I did not take the time precisely, it was some time after I came out of the public-house—Brannan was in a recess in the doorway, out of sight of anybody in the street, unless they looked very carefully, it was rather a dark doorway, it is not a portico, it is a recess—a person on that side of the pavement might see him, but not where I was, it is a very wide road—I saw him after he looked up, I don't say that he was particularly concealed—I suppose he was there to see who went to the carti I saw nothing of Hannah and Young, they were not there at that time, nor any policeman—I had not seen them—I saw no woman there—Brannan did not come up to me directly I went up to the cart—I dare say I was at the cart two minutes—I saw him after I had lighted the matches—I saw him come from the doorway—I am positive he did not come from the direction of the Portobello Road—after looking at the cart I turned about to see if I could see any one, and I saw the police officer in the doorway, and I went; partly towards him, he never came to the cart at all, he
<hi rend="italic">met me</hi> in the road, he came down off the pavement into the road—I did not go back to Brannan after seeing the two men and tell him what I had seen, he could see them himself, he stopped opposite the cart, I left him there—it was no business of mine—I left it to the police.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I was at the Police Court to be called if it was thought fit—I was not in Court when Brannan was committed for trial, I was there afterwards when Mr. Knox refused to hear any witnesses as he meant to send the case to the Session—when I left the force I had a first class certificate from Captain Labalmondiere—I was never fined a farthing or punished or degraded, the report for gossiping was when 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. first joined the police, it came to nothing, it only cost me five minutes—Mr. Payne who was with me on this night is a gentleman, a medical student, his father is a Magistrate—the solicitor for the defence called upon me after Brannan's committal and I gave him my proof of what I had seen—I was waiting and delaying my progress home for the express purpose of finding a police-man to tell what I had seen, I looked in all directions to find one; I did not go back and tell Brannan that I had seen the two men because he could</p>
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<p>see them himself, they went nearly close to where he was, they went towards the cart and where Brannan was standing in the doorway; he returned back to the doorway after I left him; that is exactly opposite the cart, he was then out of sight—when he told me to mind my own business he said it as if perhaps I should get locked up myself, as if he did not want me to interfere—I understood that he was watching the cart, that was the reason I did not go back and communicate any further—he said he knew all about it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. I do not think I could identify either of the two men; they were rather suspicious looking characters—one of them had got a light coat on and the other a dark coat—they looked decently dressed, their manner made me notice them, the cart being there, that was all.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-42" type="given" value="WILLIAM RICHARD"/>WILLIAM RICHARD RAKDALL</persName> </hi>. At the time of this transaction I was lodging at 122, Ledbury Road, Notting Hill—I am an articled clerk to a solicitor—I recollect in February being with Mr. John Hornblow and a gentleman named Payne, a medical student—I can't swear to the date—we had been playing at billiards at the Duke of Wellington, and after that I was in the Talbot Road with him and Mr. Payne—Mr. Payne has been here every day till yesterday—when I was in company with those two gentlemen I saw a cart and horse standing by the curbstone in the Talbot Road, and then we passed on towards All Saints' Church—I really forget whether we stopped talking there then—I don't remember whether I saw anyone there "besides Mr. Hornblow and Mr. Payne—when Hornblow was standing by the cart a policeman came on the opposite side of the road and said something, I forget what, but the gist of it was that he knew all about the cart—I forget whether Hornblow or the policeman spoke first—I don't recognise the policeman here to-day—Hornblow was by the cart and the policeman was on the other side of the road—I was near enough to hear all that passed if I had attended, but I was talking to my friend Mr. Payne—was not taking part in the conversation between Hornblow and the policeman—my memory is not very strong with regard to what took place on that night—my attention was not called to it for Borne time after
<lb/>wards—I am not sure that I saw two men near All Saints' Church—I don't remember that Hornblow made any communication to me or Mr. Payne while we were near the church about what he had seen—I saw Mr. Hornblow go up to the cart—he lit two or three matches and said some
<lb/>thing—I think he said "This cart comes from the other side of the water" or something to that effect, if I remember right—it was between 12 o'clock and 12.15 that we were in the Talbot Road and saw the cart—I think we parted from Hornblow at Clydesdale Road where he turned up—that turns out of the Talbot Road just by the side of the church.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not see any constable concealed there—the con
<lb/>stable I saw was near the Colville Arms—I don't know where he had come from—I suddenly heard Hornblow speak to some one—I noticed him standing on the opposite pavement, and then we walked on immediately—I was not examined before the magistrate and I did not attend—I think Hornblow mentioned. it again a few nights afterwards, but I took no notice—I did not give any statement to the solicitor; I called there and said I was with them or something to that effect—I can't speak positively as to the time, but the billiard room was shutting up as we left, and that shuts usually a little before 12 o'clock—I have nothing to fix the time except the fact of having left just as the place was shutting up—I think we stopped</p>
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<p>a minute or two just outside speaking to some friends who were there—I don't recognise Brannan at all as being the constable who was there that night—I don't remember having seen two men and a woman loitering about.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined. I</hi> can't speak with any definiteness as to the time; my attention was not called for some time afterwards, and then I remembered having seen the cart.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. I don't really remember standing near All Saints' Church conversing before we parted—I don't remember two men "coming out of the Church door; it might have happened and I have forgotten it—I have some idea there was some conversation going on, but what it was I don't remember at all.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Sergeant X</hi> 30). On the morning of 19th'February after Parrock and Cook bad been taken into custody I left the house where I had been with Sergeant Brannan and Sir Samuel George Jenkinson's valet and other people—I was on the point of going home when Brannan asked me to go the Green Yard with him, that was about 7 o'clock in the morning—he said he wanted to go to the Green Yard rather particularly—I said I wanted to go home to bed, and he said "You may as well come with me"—we went, and Newman gave up
<hi rend="italic">the jemmy</hi> and the knife to Brannan—he gave it to me, and I took it to the station and put on the charge sheet—I was afterwards in the yard at the Marlborough Street Police Court and heard an altercation between Brannan and Young; it commenced about who should go into the witness-boss' first to give their evidence—Young wanted to get into the box first, and Hannah wanted to get in second—Brannan said he would go in first—I don't remember being on the top of an omnibus with 'Young when this case was spoken of after the discharge of Parrook and Cook—I never heard Brannan say either in the Police Court or in the yard "I will mix it up for the b——
<hi rend="italic">sod</hi>, " nor on any occasion—I did not hear Young say "Had not I better get into the witness-box first, you can then bring in what you know about the woman Cook"—there was a conversation in the passage of the police-station the morning after the portmanteau was stolen, but I did not hear it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I heard the conversation in the yard at the Police Court—I was with Sergeant Brannan all the time; it was only as to who should get into the witness-box first.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I saw the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and the knife at the Police Court" on the first occasion—I saw the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> on the shelf in the back room where the prisoners were kept—I don't know what became" of it saw it at the Police Court in the body of the Court—I saw Sergeant Butcher against the dotting Hill. Railway Station before the hearing Brannan was there—I can't say whether he showed Sergeant Butcher the
<hi rend="italic">jemmy</hi> and the knife at that time—I don't know whether' Brannan had got it in his hand then.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman X</hi> 360). I have attended at this Court on' five occasions besides this as a witness for the. prosecution—I was examined, at the Police Court and was bound over by Mr. Knox as a witness for the prosecution—at 12.45 I was in Ladbroke Grove Road—I saw Parrock at" the corner of Cambridge Gardens—he was running through Cambridge Gardens as fast as ever he could—when he got to the corner of Thorpe Mews ho began to walk—he walked up to me and said "Halloa, George, have you got some stray horses"—I said "Yes Parrock"—he said "What are you going to do with them, arc you going to take them to the station"</p>
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<p>—I said "Yes"—Ship and Goldsworthy then crossed the road and I left him—I did not hear the conversation between him and Goldsworthy and Ship—I had got three stray horses; one broke away at the corner of Cambridge Gardens and I was tying them up—I thought Parrock was running to assist me—Cook and Rose Parker were standing at the corner of Lancaster Road—I never saw Charlwood that night at all—Parrock was running towards where Cook and Parker were standing—I knew Charlwood as
<hi rend="italic">Carry</hi> Baxter—I knew her as a prostitute who used to walk Norfolk Terrace.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I know Parrock very well; I have done duty with him—Ship and Goldsworthy came up by the Notting Hill station, they crossed the Road, and I left him with them—I did not see Parrock with any woman—he was running in the direction towards where they were standing—I could not say that he joined them—he stopped with the constables—I did not hear what he said to them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Ship and Goldsworthy assisted in tying the horses—it was after that that I left Parrock talking with them—Parker and Cook were near then.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-45" type="given" value="HUGH"/>HUGH ECCLES</persName> </hi>. I am a superintendent of the Metropolitan Police—I have been in the force twenty-three years—I have known Brannan ten years, since 1864, when he joined the service—he has borne an irreproachable character up to this time as a truthful, zealous, well behaved officer—his language was always considered good—I had recommended him to the Commissioners as an inspector—that requires a Civil Service examination—I countersign every charge sheet in the division after the case has been disposed of to see if there is any remark upon them—Brannan had been on the sick list up to a day or two days before this occurrence took place—I understood that was in consequence of worry and grief for the loss of his father—he was allowed to be on sick leave for a month—I think it was the day previous to this occurring that he returned to his duty.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A large number of police inspectors and others deposed to the prisoner's good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. Ald. with intent to defraud, having been before convicted of felony—</rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, October</hi> 26
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1874.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">London Reader</hi> office—on 23rd July, about 5 p.m., the prisoner came in and asked for "one," which I con
<lb/>sidered meant one copy of the
<hi rend="italic">London Reader</hi>—he put down a bad half-crown—I sent a boy for a policeman, and the prisoner said that he would go for one himself, and went up the court leaving the half-crown on the counter—he was given in custody with the half-crown.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-50" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BANNISTER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 391). I took the prisoner and received this half-crown—he was remanded for a week and then discharged.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-51" type="given" value="LYDIA"/>LYDIA ELLIS</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the Sir Ralph Abercrombie, Covent Garden—on 9th October the prisoner came in for a glass of sixpenny ale and gave me a florin—I told him it was bad—ho said "Oh," and then gave me</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-52" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE ATKINS</persName> </hi>. I am landlord of the Sir Ralph Abercrombie—on the evening of October 9th I was called into the bar and saw the prisoner there—Lydia Ellis gave me a bad shilling in his presence—I did not see the florin—I said "How came you to tender this bad shilling?"—he said "It is not a bad shilling"—I said "It is, and I am told you have tendered a bad florin before"—I gave him in custody.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-53" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS ROBERTS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, G</hi> 219). I took the prisoner and received this shilling from Mr. Atkins—I found on him a shilling, three sixpences, and thirteen pence in bronze—going to the station he said that he knew what had become of the florin, but all the brewers' horses in London would not draw out of him where it was.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-54" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of coin to her Majesty's Mint—these coins are both bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoners Defence.</hi> I changed a sovereign in Earl Street, Soho, for half a sheep's head for my supper, and this money was the change—I had been drinking.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with a previous conviction of a like offence, in May</hi>, 1868.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-55" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE LOCKYER</persName> </hi>. I produce a certificate. (
<hi rend="italic">Read: "Central Criminal Court. Joseph Carroll convicted May</hi>, 1868,
<hi rend="italic">of feloniously uttering counter feit coin, and sentenced to Seven Years' Penal Servitude</hi>") I was present—the prisoner is the man—I have known him twenty years.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-56" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD TROUGHTON</persName> </hi>. I prosecuted Joseph Carroll at this court in 1868 for passing bad money—the prisoner is the man.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she gave me a bad florin—I took it to the manager, who accused her—she said that she did not know it was bad—he then accused her of passing a bad shilling some weeks pre
<lb/>vious—she said that she was sure she was not in the bar on that day—he said that two witnesses would prove that she was, and gave her in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have been about seven months in the service—bad money has been passed on three or four occasions—there are two other bar-men, but no barmaids—there are three compartments and a till in each—I did not put the shilling in the till—I took it to the manager directly.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I saw the prisoner when she was there three weeks before—she was not prosecuted because she left the house.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-59" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM STONE</persName> </hi>. I am potman to Mr. Jex, on 21st September, about 10 o'clock, I was in the bar when the prisoner came in, but did not see the shilling put down—I have seen her frequently, and took a bad shilling from her five or six weeks before—I put it in the till where there was no other shilling—I found that it was bad about two minutes afterwards and there was still no other shilling there, I gave it to the manager—it was palpably bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have been there four months—I serve in the bar and</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Then I looked in the till, there was nothing in it but one shilling, some smaller silver and some copper, another woman was with the prisoner.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-60" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN JEX</persName> </hi> I am manager of the White Lion, and have seen the prisoner there frequently, before September 21st—I recollect her coming in and Stone speaking to me—he then ran to the till and gave me a bad shilling out of it, which I gave to the constable—I kept it with another which had been taken cut of the till the night previous—I had three bad shillings, but I do not know who I took the third from.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not see her put down a good shilling on the 21st.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-61" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WIGMORE</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined.</hi>) I did not give her change for the bad shilling on the 21st, but she afterwards put down a good one and the manager took it, and she received 9 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 359). On 21st September, the prisoner was given into my custody, and Mr. Jex handed me these two bad shillings (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), she said that she got them from some man, she could not say who.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> She said that it was the change out of the shilling.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-64" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These two shillings are bad.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-66" type="given" value="LUGIGI"/>LUGIGI BRENTINI</persName> </hi>. I am a confectioner, of
<hi rend="italic">Si</hi>, High Holborn, on the morning of October 7th, I served the prisoner with some ginger beer and a penny cake—she gave me a shilling I told her it was bad—she said that she got it from a gentleman she did not know—I broke it and gave it to the policeman.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-67" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HARRIS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 49.) Mr. Brentini gave the prisoner into my custody with this coin—she said that she did not know it was bad, a gentleman gave it to her and she could not find him—Mr. Wood came up and said that he believed she had been passing bad money in the neighbour
<lb/>hood for some time past—I took her to Mr. Wood's shop and the girl Bryan said in Mr. Wood's shop, that she was the woman who presented some bad coin a fortnight previously—I took her to the station—this shilling was found on her and a sixpence and 3 1/4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze—I also received this part of a shilling from Bryan.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-68" type="given" value="ANNIE"/>ANNIE BRYAN</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Woods who keeps a pie shop in Holborn—on the night of the 7th October the policeman brought the prisoner in and I recognised her as having come in a fortnight before at about 7.45
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. when she asked for a two penny eel pie; my mistress served her and she put down a shilling—my mistress said "Annie we have her now" and she broke the shilling—the prisoner said that she got it in</p>
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<p>change for a half-crown and gave her a good one—my mistress let her go—I had seen the prisoner once or twice before and am sure she is the same person—this is the piece of the shilling (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> Have you ever known me to pass bad money before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, but my mistress said "Annie we have got her now," because so much had been passed before.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-69" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This is a portion of a bad shilling.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">She was further charged with a previous conviction of a like offence in March</hi>, 1873,
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DE MICHELE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-71" type="given" value="JOHN JAMES"/>JOHN JAMES FORD</persName> </hi>.—I am landlord of the Rose and Crown, Clare Court—on 1st October, between 7 and 8 p.m. the prisoner paid me a shilling for two half pints of beer—Mr. Mack a customer borrowed a shilling of me and I lent him the one the prisoner had
<hi rend="italic">given</hi> me, Stacey and his wife then came in and the prisoner asked them what they would have to drink; they said "Gin and ale" and he tendered another shilling, which I found was bad, I bent it and gave it back to him—he said that he took it from his employer, and gave me five pence—I went out and returned, Mack then came in and gave me a bad shilling—I went to the station, and communicated with detective Hines and went with him to the Craven Head, Drury Lane when we found the prisoner, Hines said to him "Do you recollect going into that gentleman's house 1" he said "I do"—Hines said "I want the coins you have about you"; he pulled out a half-crown a sixpence and 3 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in. copper—Hines asked him for the base coin he had about him—he produced two shillings to me, which were afterwards found to be be bad—I gave them to Hines.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-72" type="given" value="PHILIP"/>PHILIP HINES</persName> </hi>. I went to the Craven Head about 11 o'clock, at night and spoke to the prisoner—I asked him whether he knew me, he said "Yes"—I said "You have been to Mr. Ford's house to-night and you have uttered two bad shillings there, here is one, give me the coins you have got about you?"—he handed me a good half-crown a 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and 3 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper—I said "Now I want the base coin"—he tried to give it to a little woman who was there—I seized his hand, he said "I will not give it to you I will give it to Mr. Ford"—he did so—it was a paper containing two bad shillings.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By the Prisoner.</hi> I have known you some years getting your living honestly as a porter in Covent Garden Market, and a shoe black.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-73" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS MACK</persName> </hi>. I am a printer of 17, Granby Place—I went into the Rose and Crown and borrowed a shilling of Mr. Ford, I took it home to my wife who gave it back to me and said that it was bad—I took it back and gave it to Mrs. Ford.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-74" type="given" value="LYDIA"/>LYDIA MACK</persName> </hi>. On 1st October my husband gave me a shilling I took it to Mr. Woods and tendered it—it was returned to me as bad—I never lost sight of it I gave it back to my husband this is it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-75" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These three shillings are bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate</hi>: "I consider the landlord has committed as much an offence as I have. I borrowed 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of the public-can's son at the Craven Head for the purpose of buying nuts; had I known they were bad I should not have kept them till 11 o'clock. I told the prosecutor where I got them, and had them in my pocket when I was apprehended, waiting to give them back."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I should not have kept in the house only that I wanted to return it. I have been fourteen years and eight months in the army, and was recommended to the Commissioners of Police for a shoeblack's place, which I obtained. I have a pension; the money I had was what my coat was pledged for, and the ticket was found.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> What did you take from me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A compass, a pocket-comb, and pieces of newspaper—you were in charge of a constable—you could have retired if you had asked—you were searched after the charge was made—I pinched your throat pretty tight, but you made no resistance—the stick Hinds used was 2 feet long and an inch in circumference—he did not have you on the floor—after the stick was put across your mouth Hinds got his fingers in, I mentioned this at the Police Court on Sep
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> How could you see anything in my hand?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> When you put your hand to your mouth, I am sure there was something there, for I heard it rattle against your teeth—you were three feet from me—you were pushed up against the wall and held there.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did you see it in my hand?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had had too much ale and stout. I gave the woman a shilling and she said that it was bad. I sat down on a door-step and some unfortunate woman asked me to treat her and I did so; she told me that a man had been following her for the last half-hour, and I asked Hockam what he was following her for. He did not say anything about bad money or about my being in his house, I merely struck him because he told a falsehood. As to swallowing anything, my mouth was bleeding because the witness struck me, and I might have wiped my mouth with my hand. I was in the yard a quarter of an hour, and could have made away with any
<lb/>thing while I was alone; is it likely that I should have let them see me put my hand to my mouth if I wanted to make away with anything, should not I have made away with the part of a bad shilling which was in my pocket. Of course I struggled when I was seized by the throat. The 3rd of March is eight months ago, I was then at work at Mr. Gelding's, coach builders, at Reading. Consider how easily a man' may come into the possession of a bad shilling. I may have wiped blood from my mouth, but it was impossible for a man to see anything go down my throat with a stick in my mouth.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, October</hi> 27
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<interp inst="t18741026-452-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-97" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MANN</persName> </hi>. I am a dealer, of 9, Oxford Street, Stepney—on 22nd October I gave McKee a letter with a money order in it—I
<hi rend="italic">chucked</hi> it on the table—I went into the yard at 4.30 and returned and missed the order—I stopped it at the post office—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—this "William Mann" on it is not my writing—I did not give the prisoner permission to sign my name.</p>
<hi rend="italic">McKee.</hi> I asked him to lend me some money and said "I will pay you on Saturday night;" he put the order in an envelope and said "There you are my boy, do as you like." I don't deny doing it, but he told me to do it, I asked them to let me have some money in advance and I would send my wife in the morning; they said no. I met Fireman and he lent me 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on it.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> That is false from beginning to end; he had been two days in my employment; I did not know him before—I showed him the letter because I could not read it myself, and I wanted to know who it came from; he read it to me and I put it down on the table—I drank with him on the Wednesday and I gave him drink on the Thursday.</p>
<hi rend="italic">McKee.</hi> Did not I make out invoices for you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, they were made out, but not by you; they are at home, and they are not in your writing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-98" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN STRAUGHAN</persName> </hi>. I keep a post office at 148, Mile End Road—McKee came there on 22nd October with this order and asked me to cash it—I did not do so for two reasons, one that it was past the time, but principally because I had not the advice—he returned with Firman, who he said was willing to lend him 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on it; Firman said that he had known him some time—McKee said it was from William Mann, and I saw him sign William Mann on the order—the prosecutor came at 9 o'clock the same night and asked me to stop the order—I received the advice by the next morning's post, and on that morning Firman came and presented the order; I paid it to him in the presence of a constable who I had sent for.</p>
<hi rend="italic">McKee.</hi> I did it under the knowledge that he threw it over to me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-99" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GICSON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 22). I saw this order paid to Firman, and took him in custody—he said that he was not aware that anything was wrong, and put the half-sovereign down on the counter again.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHANNAH HILL</hi> (23)</persName>, and
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CORNELIUS REGAN</hi> (32)</persName>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18741026-453-offence-1 t18741026-name-103"/>Henry Fernandez</persName> and stealing from his person a scarf and 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in money, his property.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MOODY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Hill.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-104" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY FERNANDEZ</persName> </hi>. I am cook on board the barque Emilia, lying in the West India Docks—on Sunday night, 4th October, about 11.30, I was in a public-house in the West India Road—I had 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in gold tied up in a</p>
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<p>white handkerchief in my pocket, and I took out a half sovereign and changed it, and put the loose money into my pocket—I saw Regan and Hill there, they took me by my arms just in the doorway and put their hands in my pocket, and at the same time knocked me down—I said "My God, my money is gone"—Regan took my money, and I saw his hand cross and the handkerchief as he passed it to Fill—Morgan was outside, standing on my right—she took my muffler—they got away, but were afterwards taken in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was paid off on Tuesday at Havre, and received the 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and arrived in London on Thursday—I put the money in my pocket because my chest would not lock—I had changed some foreign pieces at a tailors, four Indian rupees and half-a-crown, and we had a glass of beer together in a public-house, which I paid for with copper—I did not take the bag out there—I know I had the money when I was knocked down—I had only had half a beer glass of wine after leaving the ship—I had not talked to other women in the public-house, I spoke to
<hi rend="italic">gentlemen</hi> only—I spoke to Hill—there were eight or nine people in the public-house—I had two half glasses of sherry there, and the prisoners, each got one glass out of me—I was standing at the bar, and so were other people—I paid over the bar for the sherry and got the change, after which I stayed about four minutes—Morgan wanted more drink, but it was too late—I left the house and they followed, and there were others outside—I have never seen my gold since.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Regan. Q.</hi> Did you ask me to have a glass of port wine?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and I treated the others as I did you—I did not go to the station house with you that I know of.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-105" type="given" value="MARGARET"/>MARGARET FITZGERALD</persName> </hi>. I am an unfortunate girl, and live at Limehouse—on 4th October I saw Fernandez at a public-house at Limehouse—he paid for three glasses with "coppers and then he paid for five glasses and changed a half-sovereign, and I saw him tie his handkerchief up with the gold, I saw the glitter of the gold, but the quantity I do not know—all the three prisoners were then in the house—after the wine was drunk Hill and Regan took the prosecutor out of the house—I followed, and the man, was calling out after me "Julia"—two men who are not in custody came up, and the man was knocked down in the road and Morgan had the handkerchief in her hand—she offered it to me and said "It is a fine muffler"—the man first crawled a little on his knees and he said for God's sake would
<hi rend="italic">they give</hi> him 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and he would forgive them the rest, and one of them threw him back
<lb/>wards and kicked him—Hill came up and said "What is the matter?"—I said "If you don't know nobody else ought to"—she said "I defy you, you are all in the shed by the side of me"—Regan came up and said "You are a foolish girl"—I said "You take my foolish advice and go home to bed," and then he came back and said that he had only a few pieces of silver in his pocket and it was no use getting in trouble for that—the policeman said "If you want satisfaction go up before the Magistrate to-morrow"—I said "Come along with me and if you require a policeman I will show you where you will get one"—when he found I intended to go he turned back—I went with the sailor to the station and they took the charge, and two policemen were called off the beat—they went up to No. 3 in in the court, where Hill lives—she was not in doors and the policeman watched the house—I was not present when she was taken—I afterwards said "Here is the woman who had the muffler," and the policeman took her—she said</p>
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<p>"Me, I don't know anything about it"—I said "Did not you have the muffler"—she said "I did not take it from the man"—I know the female prisoners as companions—when Regan left me he said "Don't fetch me"—I said "
<hi rend="italic">Go</hi> home and go to bed"—he said "I have had nothing to do with it, don't mention me in it"—the constable was the first to mention Regan's name—he is not here.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Morgan. Q.</hi> Did you see me pick the muffler up?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, but I saw it in your hand and you offered it to me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I went out of the public-house first about 9 o'clock, before the prosecutor came, and I went back and left when the house was closed—I was drinking; Mrs. Russell, my step-father's sister asked me in—her husband is alive—I can't say how many glasses of ale I had—the prosecutor talked to me and Mrs. Russell; he offered Mrs. Russell some sherry and told her to hand it to me, and she and I drank it between us—Regan sat in the prosecutor's seat, who returned and said "What for are you sitting by my girl?"—Mrs. Russell is not here, she went to the station but did not go inside, she was waiting for me when I came out, and I went to Sullivan's house with her and two policemen—I have known her since I was a child; there has been no quarrel and no friendship between us, only just stranger's distance—the prosecutor called for a glass for him-self and put coppers down, and then he gave me and Mrs. Russell another glass each—he said that' his ship was lying in the river—I asked him to go home with me and he said "Yes," but Sullivan dragged him from me and asked him to treat her, and I could not succeed in getting him home with me—Mrs. Russell said to me "You being a prostitute you may just as well have his money as anybody else," and having my child to keep I did so—she is related to me by marriage.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I was perfectly sober—I am certain I saw the gold taken from the sailor, and I saw the handkerchief flutter as it was passed over to Hill; Regan came and spoke to me at the time.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-106" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HOPKINS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 13). The prosecutor pointed out Morgan to me in Fitzgerald's presence; she said to Fitzgerald "You know I had nothing to do with it—Fitzgerald said "I saw you with the man's muffler in your hand, and I told you to give it back"—when I took Morgan she said that she knew all the parties concerned, and she saw the man robbed.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-107" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD LEIGHTON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 180). From information I received I took Hill on Monday morning at 6.30 in Gun Lane, Limehouse—I told her she would be charged with others not in custody with robbing a sailor in the West India Road—she said that she knew nothing about it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-108" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES DRURY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 311). I took Regan on October 4th from information—I told him the charge—he said that he knew nothing about it.
<hi rend="italic">Hill's statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "I never drank at his expence; I was in another compartment. When I came out I spoke to Fitzgerald. She said 'I have a spite in for you for two years, and you shall pay for it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-453-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">REGAN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was further charged with having been convicted at the Thames Police Court, in March</hi>, 1873,
<hi rend="italic">to which he</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def3-453-18741026 t18741026-453-punishment-11"/>Ten Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">MORGAN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18741026-453-punishment-12" type="punishmentDescription">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-453-18741026 t18741026-453-punishment-12"/>Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 28
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1874.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Lush.</hi> </p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18741026-454-offence-1 t18741026-name-110"/>Ermine Taylor</persName>, with intent to murder her.
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-111" type="given" value="ERMINE"/>ERMINE TAYLOR</persName> </hi>. I live at 3, Moselle Street, Tottenham, with my mother—I am a single woman—on 27th June last I was confined of a child—the prisoner is the father of it—he is a police-constable—he gave me 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. before the child was born, and 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. afterwards—he agreed to allow me 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week, and said he would pay something for the expenses of my confinement—he only gave me 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. altogether for the child, that was when it was nine weeks old—on Saturday, 26th September, an appointment was made to meet him at the gate leading to Mount Pleasant Fields—I met him there at 7.45 just inside the fields—we went across the fields to the brook; before we got there he stood listening, he fancied he heard some one; he stood against a tree—after he stood listening a little while we went further on to the water side; he asked me after the child—I told him she was getting as fet as a little pig, and I also said "She is three months old to-day"—he said it would have been a d——d good job if she had been in a box three months—I said I should not like to lose her now—he said nothing to that—we went along the water side till we got to a tree, he then went to a hedge or bush and returned back to me, and without a moment's notice he struck me twice across' the head; the weight that came on my head seemed like a hammer—I fell after he struck me; I bled—he then took hold of me and
<hi rend="italic">thrower</hi> me into the water—I believe it is a running water, they call it a sluice—I was only a yard or two from the water when he struck me—I went under the water; I floated about and came towards the bank, and he put out his hand and assisted me. out; he struck me again with the same instrument two more blows on the head—I fell, and then he knelt on my side and put his thumb and finger under my throat and tried to strangle me—I did not speak, but we struggled for two or three minutes, and in our struggle I bit his finger; I could speak after that, and I asked him to have mercy on me, so that I could go home to my widowed mother' and my child; he granted it, provided I would not say who it was that committed the assault or swear to the father of the child—I said I would not, provided he would let me go home alive—I had a hat on, but that fell on the brook side—when we were coming away across the field together he noticed that I had got no hat on, and he wanted me to go back with him to fetch it; I refused, and he went back and fetched it and placed it on my head; at this time I was bleeding down my face and right down my back, the blood was streaming from the wounds I had received—when we got into the adjoining field he noticed it, and he took out his pocket handkerchief and dipped it in the water and wiped the blood from me, and then he threw his handkerchief on the ground, on the right hand side, as we were coming out of the field, and left it there—when we got into the middle of the path he said he was sorry for what he had done, but he had been drinking—he seemed just as sober as I am at this moment'; he accompanied me as far as the Church Road, and there he made me promise again that I would not say who had done it, and he asked me to meet him against the old church at '8 o'clock on the following Tuesday—he left me at the top of Church Road—he said he would give me 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for my child, and he kissed me and bid me good night—after he left me I found my way home by the iron railings of the cemetery—I got into Charles Street, and there I was assisted, and got home to my mother—she attended to me, and a doctor was sent-for—I am under the doctor's care now.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> When you went back and fetched my hat you asked me not to say who had done it, you did not say then that you were sorry for what you had done, not till you
<hi rend="italic">got</hi> into the middle of of the path, you did not say so on the spot—you told me you would take me home, that was when I was going across the other field far away from my home, when I was going the wrong way—we passed two boys Sitting on a gate—I said that one of them was my brother; I said that because I was afraid that you would further knock me about, that was at the gate leading into the field, as we were coming back—I did not say to you" Charley I wont
<hi rend="italic">round</hi> on you"—I said "You have hurt me "and you said "I am sorry for what I have done, but I have been a drinking"—I did not say to you against the old church "Don't go any further with me for fear some one might see us together"—I never heard you say that you would do me an injury, only on the Tuesday night I told you that mother did not like minding my child when I came out, and you said "Meet mo Amy for the last time, I will send you your money afterwards.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi> The Court. I said that one of the boys was my brother because I was afraid he would commit further injury to me—he did nothing to me after he tied my hat on—I sank under the water once, I can't tell how deep it was.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-112" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BURKETT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi> 291.) I am stationed at Tottenham—the prisoner is a police constable stationed there—499 is his number. On the evening of the 26th September about half-past nine I took the prisoner from Tottenham police station to No, 3, Moselle Street, the prosecutrix mother's—the prosecutrix was there attended by the doctor—she said she had been violently assaulted that evening in Mount Pleasant Fields, and pointing to the prisoner she said he was the man that did it, he did not deny it, he made no remark—next morning at day light I and another constable searched Mount Pleasant Fields by the Moselle brook—from the appearance of the ground there was evidence of a violent struggle—I found this bow belonging to a woman's bonnet, or dress with these hair pins in it, it is part of a woman's head dress—I saw a quantity of blood lying, and about three feet from the blood I found this life preserver, there was no string to it, here is a hole where the string has apparently been; a string was afterwards found by Tiley another constable, it is not broken but it is sprung in the centre—the police in our neighbourhood are not armed with such a weapon as this, the men employed in plain clothes might carry such a thing, but they are not supposed to do so, they are generally furnished with short truncheons—the struggle had apparently taken place about four feet from the brook, the blood was at the same place—there was a great quantity of blood on the grass—the prisoner was perfectly sober, I walked with him from the station to Moselle Street, which is close upon a mile, and he had not the sign of drink upon him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-113" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM TILEY</persName> </hi>. I am a divisional detective stationed at Tottenham—I found near the brook this piece of string, it was broken, there is a knot where it was tied, I found it on the Monday morning about 11 o'clock—I saw the appearance of the strugg'e, and the blood—I measured the brook there, it was three yards and ten inches wide, and one yard and one inch deep—it is about the same depth all along, there is a hatch that keeps the water back—I went to the prisoner's house and his wife gave me a pair of trousers—I examined them I found a mark on the left thigh that appeared like blood—I went to the prosecutrix house on the Sunday and got from</p>
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<p>her mother a quantity of clothes and a part of the chignon which she wore that night, they were all wet with blood and water, they were taken out of a tub in the back garden—there was a great deal of blood on the chemise, and the hair was saturated with blood and water.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I never saw you with, that weapon in your possession, I never saw it till I saw it at the station.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-114" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM JARVIS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 7134). Sunday, 27th September, I was directed by Inspector Gray to search the Mount Pleasant Fields—I there found this pocket handkerchief close by the hedge, about 2 or 3 steps from the brook, it was very wet, chiefly with water, but there were several dark stains—I could not say what they were.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> It has no name on it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> The handkerchief I threw away had my name on it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-115" type="given" value="REBECCA"/>REBECCA TAYLOR</persName> </hi>. I am a widow, and live at 3, Moselle Street Tottenham—Ermine Taylor is my daughter—she lived with me—on Saturday, 26th. September, she left home about 7.15—she returned about 8.30—I let her in—I took her into the room and took off her hat, and the blood poured down from her head in the most fearful state, and there was not a dry thread upon her—I sent for a doctor immediately—I afterwards gave up the clothes to the constable, Tiley—I have two sons, one 18 and one nearly 16.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-116" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS GRAY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi> 7). I was at Tottenham Station on Saturday evening, 26th September, at 9.30, and received information as to what had occurred—the prisoner came in shortly afterwards for night duty—he was perfectly sober—I told him what I had heard, that a woman, named Taylor, of Moselle Street, Tottenham, had been violently assaulted, and he was supposed to have committed it—he said "I did it, Sir"—I said "This is a very serious affair, Carter, what could induce you to have done such a thing?"—he said, "I was walking with her and she said something to me and in a passion I struck her with my fists, and she fell. in the water, and then I walked home with her"—I told him he would not be allowed to go out on duty, that he would be detained in the station, and some time afterwards I charged him with committing the assault—showed him the life preserver after it had been found, and asked him if he knew anything about it—he said "No, I never had such a thing, I know nothing about it, if I did I would tell you, Sir"—he joined the force on 28th August, 1871, and was with me in Tottenham up to this occasion—his pay was 1 1/2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a week—he is a married man and has one child.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-117" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES CORFIELD</persName> </hi>. I am a servant, and live at 6, William Street, White Hart Lane, Tottenham—I know the prisoner—about eighteen months ago I was with him in Northumberland Park—he asked me if I ever saw any of his men carry a stick with them when they were in plain clothes—I said "No"—he then pulled out a stick about a foot long with a knob at the end' and said he carried that with him—he did not say what for it was one like this (
<hi rend="italic">the life preserver</hi>)—I could not swear it was that one.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I am sure it was not a truncheon, it was a stick like this, I thought it had a wooden knob at the end.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-118" type="given" value="WILLIAM HENRY"/>WILLIAM HENRY PLAISTER</persName> </hi>, M. R. C. S. I practice at Tottenham—on Saturday evening, 26th September, about 9 o'clock, I was called to 3,. Moselle Street, where I saw Ermine Taylor—she was wet through and was suffering from three contused wounds of the head, each one reaching to the bone—they were such wounds as would be inflicted by a blunt instrument such an instrument as this life preserver would be likely to inflict them—a</p>
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<p>fall could not have done so—she was also bruised universally all over her ribs, arms, and legs—she has been under my care ever since—the wounds on the head were dangerous—she is out of danger now, in my opinion—she is under my care now—this handkerchief appears to have marks of blood upon it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-119" type="given" value="ERMINE"/>ERMINE TAYLOR</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). I know this handkerchief—it is the one that Carter wiped the blood off my face with—it was that colour—the moon shone on it and I saw the colour—it was a clear moonlight night—we met at the gate at 7.45—I had not walked with him along by the river before that—I had not met him at that gate before, I had met him at the other gate, not that one.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). There was no blood on the instrument when I found it—it was about 3 feet from the blood—the prisoner was not on duty at that time—he would not carry any truncheon with him if he was not on duty—he would have no instrument at all then—I have never seen that one in his possession, nor heard him say anything about it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner put in the following written defence</hi>: "On Saturday evening, September 26th, I left home at 6.30 p.m. and went into Mount Pleasant Fields, which I usually did of an evening for a walk, where I met Taylor about 7.15 p.m., not by appointment, to give her money as she states. She asked me what I was doing there, I told her I had been watching a man, which I had, she then asked me where I was going, I told her I was going across the fields, where she followed me. I did not ask her to go with me. She then began to ask me for some money towards the support of her child, which she says I am the father of, whenever I met her she always asked me for money. Knowing that I am not the father of her child, I did not give her any. The first time I had anything to do with Taylor was about the end of December, 1873. She then said if I did not give her some money, she would swear the child to me, whereupon I got in a passion and struck her on the head with my fist, when she fell into the water—I did not throw her into it, as she states, we were at the edge of the water at the time I struck her. I then took hold of her hand, and assisted her out, we then went out into the field, I struck her again, I then went back and fetched her hat, and gave it to her, and told her I was sorry for what I had done, I had done it in a passion, I then wet my pocket-handkerchief in some water and washed' her face, I then told her I would take her home, I went more than half-way home with her, when she asked me not to go any farther with her, for fear some one might see us together, I again told her I was sorry for what I had done, I then left her and she ran towards home. I had no intention whatever to do Tayloy an injury, which was done in a passion, for which I am very sorry. I beg to state that I never had the life preserver in my possession, neither did I use it. The first I saw of it was when Inspector Gray shewed it to me at the Police Station on Sunday, September 27th, and asked me if it belonged to me, I told him it did not, and had never seen it before. The witness Corfield, has never seen me with it in my possession. I hope gentlemen you will deal as lenient with the case as possible, and I will endeavour to leave the country at once.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 28
<hi rend="italic">th.</hi> 1874.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Denman.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MEAD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-123" type="given" value="FRANCES"/>FRANCES ACKHORT</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Charles Ackhort, of 10, Great Earl Street, Seven Dials, a blacksmith—the deceased Mary Ann Ford was my sister, she was 33 years old—she lived with the prisoner as his wife at 13, Princes Road, Newport Market—she was of intemperate habits—she came to see me on Saturday, 19th September, between 8 and 9 o'clock in the evening and she left at 11 o'clock—she was then drunk, but in good health and in very good spirits—the next morning Sunday, about 7.30 or 7.45, the prisoner knocked at my door, he only lived a street or two off—I asked who was there; he said "It is me, open the door"—he came in and said "Get up quick,
<hi rend="italic">Polly</hi> is dead"—I was in bed, I scrambled out and said "What is the matter, she was all right last night?"—he said "Yes, I have killed her and I am very sorry for it, dress yourself quickly and come with me"—I went with him to his room and my sister laid in the bed dead—I touched her and she was dreadfully cold—I said "John she has been dead for some hours"—he said "Dead is she, do you think she is
<hi rend="italic">Fan</hi>?'—he said that he would not believe she was dead till a doctor came—he then went to the next room, to Mrs. Allen, and said "
<hi rend="italic">Polly</hi> is dead," and he called Mrs. Allen's sister and said "Come in
<hi rend="italic">Mog</hi> and look"—Mrs. Allen came in and fainted away, and was led out into her own room—he told me he had done it and he was very sorry, and I was to make the best of it for him—some one went for the police, and John Smith came—the prisoner was then having a cup of tea in his own room, and he asked the policeman and Mrs. Allen's sister and me to have a cup of tea, and we all had some—we had not spoken a dozen words when the doctor came in—I am sorry to say that the deceased she was a great drunkard, in the habit of pawning the prisoners things and of falling about in the street or anywhere when she was drunk—he was a very good man to her—silent her 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. when she left on Saturday.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> My sister had lived with Bishop two years, but not always in the same place—they lived about eighteen months in Princes Road, and before that in Year Street, Clare Market—he has been very good and indulgent to her—he was in regular employment with Mr. White, and he brought his wages home on Saturday nights—he has often found my sister in a state of intoxication in the streets, and has had to carry her home, and I have assisted him—she was terribly addicted to drink and used to fall about in a very strange way—she was in very good spirits on the night in question and sang a song in my room, and after that she bor
<lb/>rowed the 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. because she did not want to look mean—my husband and his daughter were in the room—she took the 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. away, she did not spend it there—I did not leave with her, I never saw her again till she was dead—she wanted the 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to spend—I have a step-sister named Catherine Williams, she is a cripple and goes about with a crutch; she lives in Clare Market, not a great distance off—I met her with the deceased between 6 and 7 o'clock that Saturday night at the top of our street on the Dials; she had been having a little drink—my sister came away with me, and my step-sister never touched her; my step-sister is not here—I do not know what took place, after 11 o'clock—the prisoner only had one room, it was on the second floor back—I went there on the Sunday morning about 8 o'clock and found my sister lying on the bed covered with the clothes, with her head up very high, as if she had just got into bed—something like an hour elapsed from the the time I went in with Bishop to the time the</p>
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<p>policeman came—he had two herrings, he cooked one and he wanted to cook the other for me—he did not buy them while I was with him, they were there when I got there—I was too confused to see whether he brought a milk jug with him, but I know he had milk—he said "Ask me no more particulars
<hi rend="italic">Fan</hi>, we were both drunk, and I am truly sorry for it," and he said that it would not have happened if he had been sober.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> She had a
<hi rend="italic">shimmy</hi> on as she lay in bed.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-124" type="given" value="ANN"/>ANN STOGDEN</persName> </hi>. I live in the same house as the prisoner in the first floor front room—I recollect Bishop and Mary Ann Ford coming home on 19th September about 11.30—was waiting at the door for my son—no one else was with them—they were coming home together very comfortably, and I thought she was very much the worse for liquor—that is what I call com
<lb/>fortable—I did not notice that she was bleeding—I saw them go up stairs—I did not notice whether the prisoner was sober or not—he kindly entreated her to go up stairs—he said "Come up stairs, come up stairs," and he was going up before her—she went up of herself—I saw nothing of Mrs. Lynch that night—I went up stairs in about half an hour, and heard nothing till I had been in bed some time—I live on the floor below in front—as near as I can guess, about 1 o'clock I heard the prisoner say to the deceased very loud "What have you done with my money?"—he also said "I have treated you kindly all day, and you have robbed me of my weeks' hard earnings"—I could not tell whether that was outside or inside the room—I afterwards heard the prisoner come down to Mrs. Park's room, which is the next room to mine at the back, and I heard her say to him "Don't make a noise, because my children would go into fits"—he said "Mind
<hi rend="italic">your</hi> era business."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have known the prisoner
<hi rend="italic">some</hi> years by seeing him standing outside when I have come in, and I
<hi rend="italic">believe they</hi> have lived
<hi rend="italic">in the</hi> house about three years—as far as I have seen he has treated her well and kindly—there are, I should think, a dozen steps between the floor on which they lived and the floor on which I live, and there is a small landing—Mrs. Park lives on the first floor, right under the prisoner's
<hi rend="italic">room</hi>—I sleep heavily after being up early—I
<hi rend="italic">did not hear the deceased's voice</hi> at all—I know a man named Parry—he was not outside the door—I was sitting on my basket, waiting for my son, and the deceased called me a most disgusting name—the prisoner said "Come up stairs quietly; that woman don't offend anybody; don't insult that old lady"—I had often seen her before—she used foul language, and was very violent indeed when she was in liquor—after I heard the conversation on the stairs I went to sleep again.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-125" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE ALLEN</persName> </hi>. I live with my wife in the same house in the second floor front, which is opposite the prisoner's room—I am a printer and work at the
<hi rend="italic">Sunday Times</hi>—on 19th September, about 12 o'clock as near as pos
<lb/>sible, I got home to my supper, and Mrs. Parsons was in the room with my wife—(they are not related)—shortly afterwards Mrs. Parsons got up wished me good night and went up stairs—shortly after that the deceased came into the room, she was decidedly drunk—I think she shut the door and came in and stood with her back against it—I did not notice whether she had a bonnet on, or whether her head was bleeding—I asked her if she would be kind enough to walk out of my place as I did not want any dis
<lb/>turbance, she looked up at. me and said that she did not suppose I did—I then heard Bishop on the landing, asking where lilts money was—I said</p>
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<p>"Your wife is in here, if you will be kind enough to take her away I shall be very glad"—he came in, got hold of her, and pulled her out on to the land
<lb/>ing—she was just inside the door, she might have been partly in and partly out, and then I closed the door again and went to finish my supper—she either fell down in my room or sat down purposely, I don't know which, on the floor in my room—while I was at supper I saw some silver and copper money on the floor, and I called out "Mr. Bishop, here is something be
<lb/>longing to you, I believe, it don't belong to me"—he came to the door and I handed him the money—I can not rightly say whether I picked it up or whether he picked it up but he says that I did, and then he said "Where is my sovereign?" I said "I don't know anything about it, here is the lot and here is the place, you can look for yourself"—I don't think he did look, I had but half-an-hour to my supper—I had to go off again—he went out of the room—T finished my supper as nearly as possible at 12.25—I had to be back at 12.30—when I got outside I saw the deceased lying across the landing with her head to the foot of the stairs—I did not turn my head, to look whether she was dressed—I called Bishop and said "I hope you will not make any disturbance after I have gone, to disturb my wife and children as my wife is very ill"—he said "I will not," and I was going down stairs when Mrs. Parsons said "For God's sake, Mr. Bishop, have not you got something that you could cover over her"—(when she came into my room she had her clothes on and a bonnet but no jacket or shawl)—he made some remark to Mrs. Parsons but what it was I do-not know and I did not turn my head round—I took no further notice of the deceased—soon after Mrs. Parsons left my
<hi rend="italic">room to go upstairs Mrs. Lynch came in</hi>, and I
<hi rend="italic">left</hi> her there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have lived there nearly
<hi rend="italic">two</hi> years—I
<hi rend="italic">did</hi> not know the prisoner previous to living there—his room was next to mine—I did not notice whether the deceased had a bottle in her hand when she came into my roam—she closed the door and put her back to it, but I don't think he pushed her away when he came in, because before he came in she slid
<hi rend="italic">herself down—I do not know what</hi> her
<hi rend="italic">motive was, she either fell or slid down.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You said before the Magistrate that you saw a naked person lying on the landing?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.—I suspected she was naked from the words Mrs. Parsons made use of; that is a mistake—she was not naked when she sat down; it was about a quarter of an hour from the time she was in my room to the time when Parsons said Have you got anything to put on her?"—I was not at home more than twenty minutes.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> After she had been taken out did you shut your door?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I either shut it or Mr. Bishop closed it—I then went and. finished my supper, and when I called to him and asked him not to make a noise, I cannot tell whether his door was shut or open—I had to pass it—it is not a very large house—the landing is about 9 feet from Bishop's door to the wall—no light was on the stairs, and I cannot say whether there was any light in Bishop's room—I called aloud to him not to make any further disturbance—and he opened his door and looked out and said "There will be no more disturbance"—I was then at the top of the stairs, and she was at my right side as I was going down—think the door of his room was shut when I passed, and that he opened it and answered—he was partly in the room, and about a yard or a yard and a half from her—she was lying at the</p>
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<p>foot of the third floor stairs—I had not heard any tumbling—the only thing she said in my room was "I don't suppose you do."</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-126" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY ALLEN</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of the last witness—of the day Mary Anu Ford died I had been confined twelve days—my husband came home about 12 o'clock, and he and I were sitting at the table having our supper at 12.15 or 12.20—Margaret Lynch was also there—the deceased came in—my husband told her to go into her own room as he did not want her there—she said "I don't suppose you do"—he called the prisoner to fetch her out—the prisoner answered "All right, Mr. Allen," and during the time he was coming she either fell or sat down by the door, and Bishop took her by the shoulders and threw her out on the landing—she said "Oh
<hi rend="italic">Jack</hi>, you beast"—my husband closed. the door, and then he saw some money, and told Bishop there was something there which did not belong to him, and to come and take it away, and he picked it up and gave it to Bishop—before my husband went away he begged the prisoner not to have any disturbance with his wife as she was very ill, and he said he would not—as my husband went out at 12.30 I saw the deceased lying naked on the landing—I believe she had her boots and stockings on—I had a candle in my hand—when my husband had been gone about ten minutes Bishop came to my door again and said "
<hi rend="italic">Missus</hi>, you must have more money of mine in your room"—I held the candle and told him to look about and satisfy himself, and he said that he was quite satisfied now—I raised a piece of carpet at the door to satisfy him that there was nothing there, and told him not to upset me as I was very ill—after that I heard a disturbance in their room as if some person was dropping on the floor; that lasted some time, but about 1.30 everything was very quiet—I had heard nothing on the landing, and do not know how she got away from the landing, but I heard scuffling in their room afterwards for half an hour—I heard no words; I only heard him say "
<hi rend="italic">Polly</hi>" once; that was loud enough for me to hear—the scuffling was like throwing about; it was as if some person was falling about or being thrown down—I did not hear her say anything to him after that—I heard no screams or cries; it got silent about 1.30, and I heard no more till about 7 o'clock, when Bishop knocked at my door, my eldest daughter opened it and said "Mr. Bishop what do you want
<hi rend="italic">V</hi> and he said "I want your mother"—I sat up in bed and said "What is it Mr. Bishop?"—he said "She is dead"—I said Oh, Bishop!"and asked who was dead; he said "
<hi rend="italic">Poll</hi>" or "
<hi rend="italic">Polly</hi>"—I dressed myself and went into his room with Mrs. Lynch, and saw him preparing the breakfast—I then lost myself, and remember no more till I found myself in my own room—I fainted away—to tell the truth, Mrs. Lynch had been with me all night because she would not go away and leave me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I am telling you' the truth—I had been recently con
<lb/>fined and was not very strong—between the time my husband left and the time the prisoner came to my door, I heard scuffling and throwing about.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>. Do you mean that you could hear a scuffling and noise in the room
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I heard him say "Polly I want my money and I will have it; that was after my husband went out—I never heard him say "Polly will you go to bed" or "Polly will you get off the floor"—when I saw the deceased on the landing with only her boots and stockings on I fancy she was alive, I think she turned her head—she did not appear very drunk when she came into the room, because she came in very quickly—I do not know whether she had a bottle of gin in her hand, but at 10 o'clock on the</p>
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<p>Sunday morning I saw a broken bottle on the stairs a few steps down from the landing, and there were marks of something having been spilt; I cannot say whether it was gin, I was too ill to smell it—when my husband went away she was lying naked on the landing, but she was not lying there long because he took her into the room—the second scuffle I heard was almost as soon as my husband left—when the deceased stood in my room with her back to the door—nobody was in the room but me and Mrs. Lynch and the children.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-127" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE PARSONS</persName> </hi>. I am a widow and occupy the back room third floor in this house—on this night I heard loud talking between. Mr. Allen, Mr. Bishop and some more—I cannot say who, as there were so many voices—I got into bed at a little after 12 o'clock and then heard a great noise as if somebody was being beaten and thrown about—the noise pro
<lb/>ceeded from the room below me, it shook my bed—my room is over the prisoner's—I got up and began to dress myself, my daughter said "Don't go down stairs mother," but I went down to the foot of the stairs and saw Mrs. Bishop lying naked on the landing on her left side, with her head in the corner against the wall along the length of the stairs at the bottom—she had only her stockings, boots and garters on—the prisoner was stand
<lb/>ing by his own door, and I said "For God's sake Mr. Bishop what are you doing
<hi rend="italic">V</hi> he said "Go up stairs and mind your own business"—Mr. Allen came out of his room, and I extended my dress to shield the naked woman from his observation—I asked Bishop to give me something to cover her; he said "No the dirty drunken-beast, she has robbed me of my hard earnings—Allen then went down stairs and desired Bishop not to annoy his wife and children any more—I then went up stairs—Bishop stood in his door-way, he looked so wild that he frightened me and I stopped when I got on to the upper landing, looked over the banisters as far as I could reach, and saw him either dragging or lifting her—he went to. his own door and threw her in forcibly—I heard her fall, and she drew two heavy sighs as she fell on the floor—I then went into my own room, but did not get into bed—I did not know his name then, but I heard Jane Park not many minutes afterwards say "Mr. Bishop, if you do not leave off throwing that woman about I shall call in the police, you are frightening my children into fits"—I heard Bishop tell Mrs. Park that she was to be quiet and that he knew her character before she came into the honse—she said "You don't know any harm of me"—I listened attentively but heard no noise—next morn
<lb/>ing 1 heard of her death.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I was in my room when I heard the loud talking, and the' door was shut—I then went down—there are a good many stairs between the third and the the second floor, and you have to turn round—I stood in front of the deceased when Allen went out, but I never saw her move—I was down on the second floor about five minutes—I did not see Mrs. Allen—Bishop's door was open as far as the bedstead would allow, and the only light there was for me to see by, was from a candle in his room—I had only had time to get up the stairs when I saw him dragging her in—the one landing is immediately above the other—it was a quarter of an hour after that, that I heard Mrs. Park call out—I had not been asleep, and I could not go to sleep for a long time afterwards—I heard no sound in the house after Mrs. Park's voice.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-128" type="given" value="JANE"/>JANE PARK</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Henry Park, a painter—we live in the same house as Bishop did, the first floor back, under their room—on the</p>
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<p>night in question I came home at 12.20, and when I got into my room I heard the prisoner say that he missed a sovereign his hard week's earnings—I afterwards heard a noise as of some one being thrown down with great force on the landing—I went out on the first floor landing but did not go up stairs—I heard the deceased say "Oh,
<hi rend="italic">Jack</hi> you beast"—I called up stairs to the prisoner and said "For God's sake man leave off that noise for you are frightening my children into fits"—he said "Go in and mind your own business."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I heard nothing after that—I did not see or hear Allen go out.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. Directly afterwards he told me to go in and mind my own business I went to bed, and I should think I went to sleep in about twenty minutes—I have three children, the eldest is nine, another six, and another four; they were crying and that made me go out—they all went to sleep quietly when I went to bed with them, the two eldest sleep separately, and the youngest with me—I did not hear Mrs. Parsons call out—I heard no trouble in the room afterwards—I slept soundly all night.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-129" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN SMITH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 288). On Sunday, 20th September, I was called to the prisoner's room about 8.30, and saw the deceased lying on the bed—Mrs. Ackhort was there and the prisoner was getting his breakfast—I had not touched the deceased but I asked him if he could account for her death—he said "Yes, we had a few words last night about money matters, I knocked down, I kicked her and I
<hi rend="italic">chucked</hi> her out of the room, she robbed me of my week's wages last night and all she has left out of it is this," pointing to 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and some coppers—he said "She is dead poor thing"—he also said "I took her in the Cock in Grafton Street, last night and treated her to the best of everything, and now the nasty dirty beast has served me like this"—I told him I should take him in custody, he said "I hope not police-man, not till the doctor comes"—I said that I should detain him there and send for a doctor—I did so—Dr. Rogers came, who pronounced her quite dead—I told the prisoner to put on his coat and go with me—he said "Give me time to drink this cup of tea and eat my breakfast"—he finished his tea and half a
<hi rend="italic">kipper</hi> which he had cooked, and some bread and butter, and then he went with me—he told me not to handle him as he would go quietly, it was done and' he would make the best of it—he said at the station that she had pawned everything of his except a silk handkerchief, and he was obliged to keep that in his pocket to prevent her pawning it—I saw no boots except those which he had on, they looked as if they had been lately oiled.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I swear that it was at the station that he said that about pawning—it was a very small room, there was just room for the bed and two or three chairs, and a table in the middle of the room—the bed came close to the door, you could hardly open the door for the bed foot.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-130" type="given" value="MARGARET"/>MARGARET LYNCH</persName> </hi>. I am Mrs. Allen's sister, and live at 17, Dutton Street—I met the deceased in a public house on this night when I went for half a pint of beer—it was not the Cock—the prisoner was not with her—she went with me to Mrs. Allen's, we got there about 12.20—did not see the prisoner—the deceased had a half pint bottle af gin in her hand, which she took from the public-house—the public-houses close at 12 o'clock on Saturday nights, and by their clock it was 12.5—I went into my sister's room, and left the deceased at her own room door—she afterwards rushed into my sister's room and closed the door behind her—my brother-in-law</p>
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<p>got up from his supper and called to Bishop to take his wife out, as he did not want any disturbance there—Bishop came in in his shirt sleeves and then the deceased stooped down in a corner and placed some money there as he came in—Bishop then dragged her into his own room and I heard him knocking her about in his room—he seemed as if he had been asleep, and slipped on his trousers to come into the room—he said that she had robbed him of his week's wages, a sovereign, while he had been asleep—I cannot say whether he had his boots on—my brother-in-law then called him and told him there was some money in the corner which did not belong to him, and he got a light and looked at It—my brother-in-law went to his work at 12.30—I then heard Bishop beating his wife in the room, and then he threw her on the landing—I did not see her, but I heard her, and I beard him going on about her robbing him—I did not go out on the landing—I heard Mrs. Parsons speak to him, but I did not notice what she said—I went away and went home, everything was quiet then—that was between 1 and 2 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I went away about 2 o'clock, but I did not go home exactly—I came again next morning.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know that Mrs. Allen has sworn that you never left her that night.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She might have been asleep when I went out, but I did go—I was examined before the Magistrate, but not before the Coroner—I had been into Mrs. Allen's place before—I met the deceased in the public-house—I went from Allen's place to the public-house for a pint and a half of beer for the supper, and found the deceased there and went home with her—I went upstairs first and she came up after me—it might have been a few minutes after she came up on the landing, that she came into Allen's room—I thought, she went to her own room door and came in two or three minutes afterwards—she had the gin bottle when she came up, and I saw it on the stairs broken next morning—I did not swear before the Magistrate "I did not hear any blows"—I heard him drag her into the room—I am serious in solemnly swearing that I left Mrs. Allen that night, but she might not have known it, she might have been asleep—I walked the streets till the morning, because I thought Mr. Allen would not like my being there—Mrs. Park was attending to Mrs. Allen—I mean that I walked the streets from 2 till 7 o'clock in the morning, it might be, and never went to bed—I don't know why Mr. Allen should object to my fading there, but" we are not the best of friends—I am his wife's sister—I had supper with them, and! fetched the beer at my sister's request—I knew that Allen was going out.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-131" type="given" value="EDWARD JOHN"/>EDWAED JOHN PARRY</persName> </hi>. I am a porter, and live at 12, Princess Road, next door to the prisoner—I occupy the first floor front—on 20th September I came home at 12.40 or 1 o'clock—I had lost my latch-key and rang my own bell—I went to the corner to see if I could borrow a key, and heard the prisoner say in No. 13 "I will put an end to this"—I was standing close to his street-door—I have known him about twelve years and I knew his voice—I did not see him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> It was quite as late as 12.50—it could not have been earlier—the door leading into the street was wide open—it was not 1 o'clock—I have never had any experience in Courts of Justice as a witness—I was never a prisoner—I have brought these bills (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) to show who the people are that I have paid money to—nobody has made any suggestion against me, but I thought I would bring them—a policeman brought me the summons to come here—I solemnly swear that I have never been charged</p>
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<p>with any offence, only with being tipsy; I do not know that that is an offence—I have been convicted twice of being drunk, I was fined 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. once and the other time I was discharged—I have never been fined for anything else.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> I am in regular work now.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-132" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE BROWNING</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector C</hi>). On 20th November, about 9 o'clock, the prisoner was brought to Vine Street Station charged with causing the death of Mary Ann Ford—I went to 13, Princess Road, and found the body of the deceased in the bed, on its back, with nothing on but the portion of a chemise—it was cold and covered with bruises all over, and there was a bruise on the head—the doctor came afterwards—I found a smear of blood about the size of my hand on the floor of the landing outside the room, in the further corner opposite the door and near the stairs which led to the second floor; I also found a small mat inside the prisoner's room, two yards from the bed in the right hand corner as I entered—there were evident signs of struggling in the room, such as scratches on the floor as if made by a boot—in a small room which led out of the bed-room I also found a smear of blood—the only female wearing apparel which I could find was very much torn, there was hardly a piece left whole—I returned to the station and read the charge to the prisoner—he said "Yea, I did it but I am very sorry for it, I never thought it would come to this; I never meant to kill her, she should have kept her hand out of my pocket"—the prisoner was wearing very heavy boots, they had been recently cleaned, I thought oiled—I found smears of blood on the thighs of his trousers and also lower down, near the bottom—these are them (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I took them from him and obtained others for him—he made other remarks to the effect that he was very sorry.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not see a flannel petticoat and a pair of stockings, which he had bought for her in the house—I did not hear him tell Frances Ackhort to take them and wear them, but on the second examination I heard him speak to her about them, and she admitted that she had got them.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-133" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH ROGERS</persName> </hi>, M. R. C. S. I live at 33, Dean Street—on 20th September, about 8.30 I was called to 13, Princess Road, and found the body of a female lying on the bed—she had been dead three or four hours, and possibly longer—the body was rigid and quite cold—I found a wound an inch long on the right side of the top of the head, and there were marks of blows on the head, it appeared to me an indefinite number—hardly any blood had flowed from the wound—there was a bruise on the left side of the forehead, a bruise on the centre of the forehead, and a smaller bruise on the top of the right side of the forehead, a severe bruise on the left shoulder, several marks on the left upper and fore arm, and the hand was blackened to the ends of the fingers from effused blood—there were nine or ten bruises and abrasions on the back, as if the blow which made the bruise had been rough enough to rub the skin off—an abrasion breaks the scarf skin or cuticle—there was a severe bruise on the left hip, and over the right knee-cap were three or four scratches, and others just above the hip on the left side—there were marks of injuries, more or less developed, over the whole of the body—I received the Coroner's order, and on the Monday made a
<hi rend="italic">post-mortem</hi> examination—on the removal of the scalp there was considerable effusion of blood into the tissues over the skull, over the whole front, side and back, and left half of the skull, which was unusually thick,</p>
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<p>and it was not fractured—the membranes covering the brain were very much congested, the middle membrane or
<hi rend="italic">arachnoids</hi> was milky, which proved that she had been of intemperate habits—the effusion of blood on the left half of the skull, was connected with the external bruise over that part—the brain generally was much congested, and the lateral ventricle contained about two ounces of fluid blood, which had gravitated to the base of the skull, I traced it up to the left lateral ventricle—on opening the chest the left pleural cavity contained about a pint of blood—it is called a cavity but it is filled by the lung—there, were old adhesions, showing that she had had pre-existing disease—I found the sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, and eleventh. ribs broken, and the eighth and eleventh were broken in two places—a splinter from the fractured sixth rib had penetrated the lungs, corresponding to which was an external bruise—that was the cause of the effusion of blood into the cavity—there was also an external injury immediately over the double fracture of the eighth and eleventh ribs, one of which had taken place close up to the spine—there was a circumscribed bruise on the front surface of the stomach', which was full of a dark substance composed of fluids and solids—the heart was degenerated from fatty infiltration, and the liver was much enlarged—the other organs were natural—the immediate cause of death was the effusion of blood into the brain, which arose from the blow on the head—I take it that the last blow was given a very short space of time before death, in consequence of there being no hemorrhage—bleeding ceases at death—I do not think that could have been caused by a kick, I think it took place when she was thrown on to the staircase; it is con
<lb/>sistent with it—the blow which caused death must have been almost imme
<lb/>diate I do not think it could have been given several hours before—the other bruises were caused by direct violence, and I think they must have been done before death; if a man has got a dead body before him he cannot produce bruises such as I saw, it must be done before death—the other injuries were done a very short time before death, because the injury to the lung would have let out a large quantity of blood, which would have filled the whole pleural cavity if life had not failed—the blood I saw on the lung was not sufficient to cause death; a person might survive for days, and even might recover, because a person can live with one lung.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I have no doubt that the immediate cause of death was the injury to the head—that injury might have been caused by anything—if the blow was struck between 7 and 8 o'clock it would not have been possible for her to have lived several hours—I am perfectly certain that she could not have walked and talked after the infusion of blood into the brain—that follows as a matter of course—the infusion does not follow immedi
<lb/>ately upon the injury—it is possible that a considerable interval may have elapsed between the blow and the effusion taking place—almost all things are possible in medicine—I do not think the injury to the top of the head was the result of a kick—to my mind the cause I give preference to was the throwing on the stairs—there must have been a projecting point to cause a clean incised wound—if a man was violently pursuing a woman and she fell on the stairs, she would be more likely to have a severe wound than if she fell from her own weight only—the external evidence of the bruises, the discolouration, had almost disappeared at the time I made the
<hi rend="italic">post-mortem</hi>—I do not know that the bruises I saw on Sunday morning were the result of recent blows—in a bruise you may identify the time it has existed</p>
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<p>by the change of colour at the circumference—nearly all the braises exhibited the same appearance—I said before the Magistrate "Nearly all the bruises were consistent with her falling about," and I say that now, with the exception of the fractured ribs—putting aside the fractured ribs, the appearances on her body were consistent with her falling about—the ribs were not all broken at one time, there were at least four or five different impacts—it is a most unusual thing to break the eighth and eleventh ribs in two places; it requires perfectly direct violence, and over the eighth and eleventh ribs there were external appearances—I did not identify the other fractures and abrasions in the same way as I did the case of the eighth and eleventh ribs, because they attracted my attention in a professional point of view—from the appearance of the liver, and the milky appearance of the brain, I am of opinion that she was given to drinking, and people are nearly always subject to outbursts of violent temper when they have that milky condition of the membranes of the brain.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> The wound at the top of the head could have existed only a very few seconds without effusion of blood; it certainly could not have existed several hours—before the effusion of blood she might have become senseless from the concussion; the blow would cause insensibility, and then the effusion would take place—I believe the insensibility commenced directly after the blow—she would not bo able to walk and talk after the blow.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate:</hi> "I am very sorry to my heart. I never thought the occurrence would take place. If I was not married to her there was no better husband to her than I was. Since I have had my inside taken out at the hospital I am like a lunatic, if I take anything to drink."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi> to Dr. Rogers.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you examine the prisoner to see what he could be alluding to in that statement about having his inside taken out?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; but I noticed that he was extremely agitated—I did not make any medical examination in reference to that statement.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-134" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MCCROSSLAND</persName> </hi>. I live at 10, Tower Street, Seven Dials—I knew the deceased and her sister—I do not know the woman who is a cripple, but I should know her if I saw her again—I saw the deceased on Saturday evening, 19th September, between 5 and 6 o'clock in Earl Street, very drunk, and I saw a woman with a crutch following her—the deceased went some distance, down to the Five Dials, what they call the Duke of New-castle public-house, where the woman with the crutch came up to her—I Was about two dozen yards off then—the deceased stopped at the egg shop facing the Duke of Newcastle, at the corner of Dudley Street, and the woman with the crutch came up and said "You stand," using a very bad expression, and she up with her crutch and struck her on the top of her head; I cannot say whether to the left or the right—she only struck her once—she went right down, and then they had a squabble on the ground, and a lot of women went and separated them—the woman with the crutch was drunk, but she did not fall—the deceased had a kind of bundle under her arm, but I do not know what it contained.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MEAD</hi>. This was on the 20th of last month; it was Saturday—I will not be positive that it was the 20th—I first spoke to a man named White about it about ten days ago—I believe he is here—I knew that the prisoner was charged at the Police Court, and that Mrs.</p>
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<p>Ford was the person who was struck—I did not go to the Police Court to tell them, because I was not sent for—Ford did not lay stunned by the blow, the two of them
<hi rend="italic">went into grips</hi> on the ground, and Ford was picked up by a woman; she was not senseless—she was not half a minute on the ground; they grabbed one another, and then she. got up and walked towards Grafton Street.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined.</hi> Mr. White is a builder for whom the prisoner has worked for many years.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-135" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD HAWKINS</persName> </hi>. I live at 7, Tower Street—on Saturday, 19th Sep
<lb/>tember, between 5 and C o'clock, I was in Little Earl Street, and saw a woman there with a crutch, who deliberately hit another woman on the head with the mallet end of her crutch, saying "Take that you beast"—I knew her before, and her sister, but I do not know their names—they both fell together, and she sat on the ground without her crutch—they were not haying hold of one another when they fell; the one with the crutch fell by the force of the blow—the
<hi rend="italic">drunkest</hi> fell uppermost; she was the one with out the crutch—they did nothing when they fell; they lay like a couple of logs for a minute or two—I really mean that—they did not struggle on the ground, because the post was between them—I left my barrow and picked up the one with the crutch—she said "Go away from me you b——y
<hi rend="italic">so and so</hi>," mentioning the name I go by—a woman picked up the other one—I do not know whether she is here.'</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You did not see Ford go there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, because the police will not let us stand there, we are obliged to run before the policeman comes; there was no policeman there, but I was fined 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and costs last week for standing there—Ford did not say a word after she was knocked! down, she was insensible; she lay down like this—a mob came round, I did not follow the mob, I only saw Ford after she was picked up, and she went into the middle of Moor Street with a woman who I don't know, that was after I had picked up the other woman—Ford was picked up by a woman who I do not know, she walked away with her into Moo Street, and that was the last I saw of her.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">row</hi> in Earl Street, and saw a woman with a crutch knock the deceased down with the big end of her crutch, it struck her on the right side of head or on her right shoulder, I don't know which, and she staggered and fell—I knew Ford, she was a very drunken woman and very excitable, often fighting with her own sister.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The woman with the crutch walked away as soon as she struck the blow and then came back again—she did not tumble, nor did they squabble on the ground or anything of that sort—Ford fell on her back and got up again, but not directly—somebody helped her up and she walked to the corner of Earl Street and Dudley Street, and the one with the crutch followed her again, and she ran away and said that she would not fight any more.</p>
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<p>—I think Ford was drunk, but I did not take particular notice of her then—she was with a woman or two—I thought she did not appear so drunk as I have seen her.</p>
<hi rend="italic">By</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>. I am from 80 to 100 yards from Great Earl Street—I noticed nothing the matter with her then, but I did not take particular notice of her—she was not singing songs that I heard.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Other witnesses deposed to the prisoner's good character and to the drunken habits of the deceased.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 28
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1874.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HORRY</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 915). On the morning of 9th October, about 4.50, I was in Mitre Street and saw the prosecutor and the prisoner turn down Mitre Square—the prisoner had hold of the prosecutor's arm—they separated and the prosecutor went out of the square as though he was in a hurry—he afterwards spoke to me and I went after the prisoner with him—he said to her "You have stolen my watch"—she said she had not—I asked her where it was and she said "I will give it to you, I did not steal it"—she gave it me out of her stocking—she said she picked it up and put it there for safety and did not steal it—the prosecutor identified it—he was sober.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">The prisoner in her defence stated that she found the watch on her dress after the prosecutor had left her, and put it in her stocking and went to look after the prosecutor and that the policeman came up and took her.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">She also</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) I believe belong to the witness McCarthy—I have seen some coats which were produced at the Police Court and which I identified as my property—I had seen them on Friday, 18th September—I locked the door and bolted it at 10.30 that evening and the property was Tall safe then—the shutters were up and all was secure—about 4.30 the next morning,. I received information and went to Cross Court to my workshops, and found a hole had been cut in the partition inside the house large enough to admit a man—the door of the passage into the shop was opened and the lock had been forced—the back window of the workshop and the shutters were open they had been closed the night before.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 126). I was on duty on 18th September in "West Street, about five yards from Mr. Gould's door—about three o'clock in the morning I saw the prisoner come out of the side door of 5, Cross Court—I saw another man inside the window as I passed—I gave an alarm and went after the prisoner as he was making off—I brought him back—I said "You have just come out of No. 5, Cross Court, and you will have to go back with me till I see whether it is all right"—I took him back to the house and there I found a quantity of coats; trousers, and waistcoats in the pas-sage ready for removal laid up loose in the corner—they were afterwards pro
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> It was through the open window and shutter that I saw the man inside the house—that was after I saw the prisoner leave—I. have always said that I saw the prisoner come out at the door—there are lamps there; there is one at the. corner of the court—the court is not above 10 or 15 yards long, and there is a lamp at each end—when I took the prisoner he was going away from his home—he lives at No. 3, next door but one to the prosecutor—he is a tailor, but he has had not regular employment lately—I had just stopped at the court and while I was standing there he came out.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-153" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES MCCABTHY</persName> </hi>. I work for Mr. Gould—I recognize these scissors by the cross keys on them—I. can't say that they are mine—I have Been several scissors with the same mark on them—I missed. a pair similar to these when I went to work on the morning of the 19th September.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> Sometimes I carry my scissors about with me, but not continually—I left them on the boards, I expect—Mr. Gould has got plenty of scissors—I don't know whether they are like these or not, but I have seen plenty like them.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-461-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">He also</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to having been before convicted, in January</hi>, 1863—
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and my season ticket.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> A good many people were waiting for the train—I don't know that two trains had come in from the City—I did not lose sight of the prisoner for an instant—my purse contained exactly the same when I opened it at the police-station—the people did not get before me when I called out "Stop that man,"They were too much taken by surprise and I was surprised too—I felt flurried certainly—the whole affair was instantaneous.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-158" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD WELTHAM</persName> </hi>. I am inspector at Ludgate Hill Station—I was on duty on 16th October at 5.45 in the evening on the opposite platform to where the witness was—I saw a train come in from the Viaduct Station and I heard some one call out "Stop that man, he has got my purse"—I ran across the line to the opposite platform, and saw the prisoner running down the platform as fast as he could and the last witness close by his side so that she could have taken hold of his coat at any moment—two gentlemen attempted to stop him, but he got past them, and he was stopped going down the staircase—I saw a gentleman with the purse in his hand and he gave it to the lady.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> There was a great crowd—we frequently have cases of this kind occurring—we have people rushing up to the wrong trains.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-159" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BYFIELD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 330). About 5.50 on the evening of October 16th the prisoner was given into my custody—I took him to the station and searched him—I found on him 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and a railway ticket from Ludgate Hill to Borough Road.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been before convicted.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-160" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES BAKER</persName> </hi>. I was formerly a City Police constable—I had the prisoner in custody at the May Sessions, 1868, and produce a certificate of his conviction. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "14
<hi rend="italic">th May</hi>, 1868.
<hi rend="italic">John Anderson, convicted on his own confession of stealing a purse and eight keys from the person. Sentence Fifteen Months'.</hi>") That refers to the prisoner—I was present.</p>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-462-18741026 t18741026-462-punishment-20"/>Seven Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and 1000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Oceani</hi>, when he had returned from New York to Liverpool—I found that was true—it was there as security for 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. which I paid and got the bond in return—that was No. 4,905—the other two bonds are coming over—he did not tell me what he had done with the 250
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by the Prisoner.</hi> I should not have been able to discover those bonds without your information—it was entirely owing to that that they were recovered.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. scrip on the Lehigh Valley Railway Company, and I delivered to him for his master, five bonds 4,905-6-7-8-9—these jeer three of the five—this is his receipt for them.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-165" type="given" value="GERALD"/>GERALD QUIN</persName> </hi>. I am cashier to Alfred Venables and Company, Bullion dealers, Royal Exchange—I knew Taplin as clerk to Mr. Bell—we buy Ameri
<lb/>can coupons—on 22nd of June, the prisoner came to my office and handed me a list relating to various coupons, which he filled up in my presence—the amount altogether was 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I gave him for them an open cheque for that amount payable to Mr. Bell or bearer—he asked me to give him an open cheque; he said he wished to divide the amount realised by the coupons among various clients of Mr. Bell—he went away with the cheque—it has been cashed and returned through our bankers.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-166" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL BELL</persName> </hi>. I am a Stock Broker at Adam's Court, Old Broad Street—the prisoner has been in my service seven years, since he was quite a boy—Mr. Hazel is my principal clerk—in June last he was ill and unable to come out and he is ill now—he was absent on 22nd of June—I had been absent on Saturday the 20th, but I was there on the 22nd—the prisoner was there also—he did not tell me he had collected the scrip nor the cheque—he did not make his appearance on the 23rd—his mother came to inquire about him and that gave me the idea that something was wrong and I afterwards found that he had taken the cheque for 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and the five bonds—the scrip for the five bonds was handed to me by Mr. Hazel, and in due course I expected them back.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> The coupons were given to you to leave at the different merchants and you applied them to your own use instead of doing with them as you were instructed.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> Upon that ground the cheque could not belong to you as it was the proceeds of what I had already taken.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> I wish to say that on the week before I lost a valuable transfer and it preyed upon my mind. I ought to have confessed, instead of which I took those things—I have no defence to make.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-167" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL BELL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-called</hi>). A transfer for 500Z. is missing, but that is a thing that could easily be made-good.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SIMS</hi>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-171" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN STONE</persName> </hi>. I am a carman employed at 4 1/2, Duke Street, Aldgate—the prisoner Stone is my uncle—in consequence of what he told me at 11 o'clock on the morning of 1st October, I took thirty sacks to the Parcels Delivery Office—this direction was on them "H. Riley, 1, Water Street, White friars"—that is my uncle's writing—they were sent from the prose
<lb/>cutor's warehouse in Black Horse Yard, Aldgate.</p>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-172" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-172" type="given" value="CHARLES JAMES"/>CHARLES JAMES BLOSSIE</persName> </hi>. I am manager to Messrs. Henry and Co., sack manufacturers, at 47, Mark Lane, and they have a warehouse in Black Horse Yard—the sacks produced are my employers' property—Stone has been our foreman about seventeen or eighteen years—about 11.30 a.m., on 1st October I received some information about the sacks and went with Detective Child to 1, Water Street, White friars—the door was opened by a woman—a Par
<lb/>cels Delivery van came up about that time and delivered a bundle of thirty sacks—the woman paid the carriage—I went into the passage with Child—he had a communication with the woman and then he went upstairs—I remained in the passage with the goods—Riley was brought down and Child said "Where did you get the sacks from?"—he said "I bought them of Stone for 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. each"—I said "That is only half their value, you know, they are worth 18
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. "—he made some reply, but I did not understand what he said, he mumbled something—I had known him before—he had been to our ware-house as a customer four or five years ago—there was a balance due from him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined.</hi> I did not know that he was a watchman in the Temple—I know it now—I have heard that he has been to sea, but I did not know it—I know nothing whatever of his antecedents—the sacks were tied round with a cord, top and bottom, just as they are now—I did not open the package—I did not see the sacks before they left the warehouse, at least I can't say that I saw those particular thirty—I know nothing against the man</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18741026-name-173" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT CHILD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Detective</hi>). I went on 1st October with the last witness to 1, Water Street, White friars—I saw some sacks delivered at that door—the door was opened by a female who paid the carriage—I followed her upstairs and found Riley on the first floor front room—the sacks were then in the passage and I had cut off the address—I said to Riley "I am a police officer and want to speak to you downstairs 'he came down and I pointed to the bundle of sacks—I said "That bundle of sacks has been stolen and sent to you, can you give any explanation about them?"—he said "I bought them one day last week of Mr. Stone, I gave him 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. each for them"—Mr. Blossie said "Why, that is only half their value, they are worth 18
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. each"—he said something, but I could not hear what it was—I told him I should have to take him into custody and I told him the charge—he said "I did not know they were stolen, I always understood from Mr. Stone that he</p>
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<p>got them from a friend"—Riley was a watchman in the Temple—I believe he has a badge—I have known nothing against his character up to this time—he does not carry on any business—he only occupies one room in that house.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">FOURTH COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 28
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1874.</p>
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