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<p>CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</p>
<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>J. C. LAWRENCE, MAYOR.</p>
<p>TWELFTH SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 25TH, 1869.</p>
<p>MINUTES OF EVIDENCE,</p>
<p>TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND, BY</p>
<p>JAMES DROVER BARNETT</p>
<p>AND</p>
<p>ALEXANDER BUCKLER,</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>ROLLS CHAMBERS, No. 89, CHANCERY LANE.</p>
<p>THE POINTS OF LAW AND PRACTICE</p>
<p>REVISED AND EDITED, BY</p>
<p>EDWARD T. E. BESLEY, ESQ.,</p>
<p>OF THE MIDDLE TEMPLE, BARRISTER-AT-LAW.</p>
<p>LONDON:</p>
<p>BUTTERWORTHS, 7, FLEET STREET,</p>
<p>Law Publishers to the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty.</p>
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<p>THE</p>
<p>WHOLE PROCEEDINGS</p>
<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>OYER AND TERMINER AND GAOL DELIVERY</p>
<p>FOR</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>AND GAOL DELIVERY FOR THE</p>
<p>COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, AND THE PARTS OF THE COUNTIES OF ESSEX, KENT, AND SURREY, WITHIN THE JURISDICTION</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT,</p>
<p>Held on Monday, October 25th, 1869, and following days,</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON</hi>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE, M.P., LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">HENRY SINGER KEATING</hi>, Knt., one of Her Majesty's Justices of the Court of Common Please; Sir
<hi rend="largeCaps">ROBERT LUSH</hi>, Knt., one of Her Majesty's Justices of the Court of Queen's Bench;
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAN SIDNEY</hi>, Esq.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">DAVID SALOMONS</hi>, Esq., M.P., Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</hi>, Knt., Sir
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-1" type="given" value="WILLIAM ANDERSON"/>WILLIAM ANDERSON ROSE</persName> </hi>, Knt., Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS GABRIEL</hi>, Bart, Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">SYDNEY HEDLET WATERLOW</hi>, Knt., and
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN</hi>, Esq, Aldermen of the said City;
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-2" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>, Esq., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-3" type="given" value="ROBERT MALCOLM"/>ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</persName> </hi>, Esq., LL.D., Judge of the Sheriffs Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Over and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judge of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOSEPH CADSTON</hi>, Esq., Alderman.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JAMES VALLENTINE</hi>, Esq.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">sheriffs</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALEXANDER CROSLEY</hi>, Esq.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALEXANDER JOHN BAYLIS</hi>, Esq.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Under-Sheriffs</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">J, C. LAWRENCE, MAYOR. TWELFTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been Previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that that are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi> </p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, October</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1869,</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN MAYNARD</hi> </persName> was indicted
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution;</hi> and
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALISE</hi> the Defence.</p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-5" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD TEESLAND</persName> </hi>. I am a constable and watchman in the service of the North London Railway, and live at 6, Risholm Terrace, Victors Park—in 1857, I was living at 17, Wellington Street, Camden Town—I had a daughter named Aim Elizabeth—she was married to the prisoner at St." I Pancras Church—I was present at the marriage—she is now alive and living with me—she lived with the prisoner about three weeks after their I marriage; she then left him and went to a situation at Hastings—I have I lived at 17, Wellington Street thirty-three years—I have only just removed to where I now live; since my wife died, three months ago—among her papers I found this letter, purporting to be addressed to her—I don't know the prisoner's writing—I know Oliver's hotel, kept by a man named Oliver in 1860—I did not hear that the prisoner was going to be married again—I never heard from him for eight years.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Your daughter left him three weeks after their I marriage?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I can't say whether she went to live with a man named Stevens—she went to live at an hotel at Hastings—I heard that there vas a waiter there named Stevens—I believe she went from there to Ireland—I heard no more of her for three years—I believe she never saw the prisoner after she left him—the prisoner advertised' her, and circulated many scandalous bills all about the neighborhood—my wife had them, but kept them from me—I never saw them till lately.</p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-6" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA COOPER</persName> </hi>. I was formerly the wife of James Cooper, who kept the Albion tavern and refreshment rooms, at King Street, Greenwich—the prisoner was a waiter there—my husband died six or seven years ago last september, I can't recollect exactly—the prisoner continued to act as waiter.—I had two houses of business at that time—on 8th June, 1866 I was married</p>
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<p>to the prisoner at St. Bartholomew's Church, Islington—I did not know that he had a wife alive—I went with him on one occasion to the Nunhead Cemetery, and he went into a house and left some money for a grave-digger to make up the grave of his wife that was dead—I knew he had been married previously—I believed his wife was dead—he told me so—after we were married, in June, 1806, we lived together at the Albion—I am not living there now—he sold all my furniture, and took all my money—I have not a peony—he sold everything over my head—I am houseless and home
<lb/>less—hero is one of the bills—the letter produced is in the prisoner's handwriting.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> What is that bill?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It is a bill of the sale of my furniture—the prisoner went into partnership with my husband two or three months before his death—the prisoner bad no money—he was only in partnership as to the house we lived in—he did not pay any money into the concern—he said he had money, but he had not—I did not quarrel with my late husband—I was not charged at the Police Court with beating him, I charged him—he used to drink, and was excitable then, but he was not a bad husband—he always, gave me money—this man did not—he did not I show marks and bruises at the Police Court, and charge me with doing it—I could not tell you now—the prisoner persuaded me to take my husband before the Magistrate, for he said I had endured too much—I had been married before—I was married to Cooper; that man was prosecuted for I bigamy—I did not prosecute him, my mother did—I did not marry Cooper till two years afterwards—after Cooper died, in 1865, I did not always con
<lb/>tinue to live in the same house with the prisoner—I had two houses, and I sometimes I was as one and sometimes at the other—the prisoner continued I to live at the Albion, and till we were married he slept in his own room—that was not the room in which I slept—I did not sleep in the same room I with him for several years before I married him—I did for a short time; I will say six months—he used to give it out that I was Mrs. Maynard—I did not do so—the bill of sale under which the furniture was sold, was given twelve months ago—it was not given long before I married him—I have not got it here—I did not know the prisoner had had a wife from when he had been separated seven or eight years—I know John Tickey—I new said in his presence that Maynard had parted with his wife, and did not know what had become of her—I never said that his wife had left him eight or ten years before, taking his savings' bank book with her, and playing up the devil with him—I never said that we were waiting till the seven years had expired, find then we were going to be married; nothing of the kind—I was living with him without being married because the business tied me so much—I used to do the cooking—we were to have been roamed some time before, but the business detained us—he did not say we must wait till the seven years had elapsed—I never said so to anybody—to wanted to be married by license—he came to us from Hastings—I believe he was at times a waiter at the House of Commons.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you married by banns?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, at Islington, because a friend of mine, who lived there, wished to be present at the wedding, and she was not very well, and could not come to Greenwich—there was no deed of partnership between my husband and the prisoner, there was an agreement.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi>). I took the prisoner into custody at the Albion, at Greenwich, on the 6th of last mouth—I told him that he would be</p>
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<p>charged with feloniously intermarrying with Eliza Cooper, his wife Ann being then and now living—he said, "I had not seen my wife, for eight or nine years;" and, nodding to Mrs. Cooper, he said, "She knew I was a married man, and she pressed me, to do it."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Mrs. Cooper heard that I suppose?
<hi rend="italic">A. I can't say whether she did or not—she was present—I can't say whether she made any remark upon it—I did not hear her.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">We letter of the prisoner, dated 12th November, 1860, was put, in and read; it referred to his wife, in strong terms of abuse, and stated that he had circulated handbills, warning the public of her character, and stated that of the man she was living with.</hi> </p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18691025-890-offence-1 t18691025-name-11"/>Samuel Mote</persName>, and others, with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution;</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">as-fended George Webb; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS GRIFFITHS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">HUNT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Charles Webb.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-12" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH DODGE</persName> </hi>. I live at 2, Canterbury Place, Lambeth Road—I was: a clerk—in March, 1866, I made, the acquaintance of Charles Webb, and he employed me as clerk, at 54, Cornhill—there was an office there—it con
<lb/>sisted of two rooms, on the, second, floor;, at least, one room, and a little lobby—I knew him by the name of Charles Webb, and no others—the business carried on was the London and Provincial Plate Glass Insurance Company—that was put on the office-door; and also on the doors, at the entrance of the passage—I was to have 25
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—I made the arrangement with Charles Webb—I saw nothing of George Webb till six months or more afterwards—I was there, altogether, about eighteen months—I was, engaged on 18th March. 1866, and I went about a week afterwards—I continued there till August, 1867, regularly, except being occasionally laid up with the gout—Charles Webb acted as manager of the company—there were forms of policies in the office—I was asked by Charles Webb to sign in the name of Joseph Watts Lodge—he did not like the name of Dodge—I occasionaly signed policies, not many—a few—I made them out—I signed them as secretary—Charles Webb signed his name as Charles Randall—I under stand his name is Charles Randal Webb—I frequently, saw, him sign as Charles Rahdall—George Webb came there occasionally while I was there—I don't know that he did anything at first—I believe, after some months. he was appointed as an agent—I never received, any Moneys from him—I did not give him like policies—after he became agent he might, come there more frequently—I can't say how often—he had nothing to do with the policies, so far as I know, except receiving them occasionally, I suppose, to take out, after they were executed—I never saw him pay over any moneys or receive any from Charles—I knew Frederick Webb—I Was not present at his trial—I have seen him there many times—he sometimes brought me my Money—I have seen him sign policies; but I never noticed what he signed; it was no business of mine—Frederick Webb used to, pass, in the name of Sidney, in the way of receipts, when he was out as an agent—I think I once saw a receipt signed by him in the name of Sidney—it might have been a policy, I can't say—it is over two years ago—I know of no</p>
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<p>other person of the name of Sidney—I have seen a person of the name of Webster at the office—he has been dead some months—he come there from the first; in fact, it was he who introduced me to Charles Webb—he was an agent, and, I suppose, part of the company—I never saw anyone else, except John Webb, another brother—he is also dead—he died early in 1867—this order, directed to Mr. Mote, is not signed by me—I could not swear whose writing It is—I should imagine it was Charles Webb; it has C, C. W. underneath—I should not like to swear it; I believe it is—here is another order to Mr. Mote—I don't know whose writing it is—it is not mine—it is a similar form to the other—it is a form in use in the office—the C. G. W the same—I can't swear for the other part—here are five orders in my writing—I wrote them by the direction of Charles Webb—I believe the whole of these others to be in Charles Webb's writing—this letter of 1st September, 1866, directed to Mr. Mote is my writing, by the direction of Charles. Webb—previous to writing that letter Mr. Mote had been wanting payment of money—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Dear Sir, your account is to hand; it till be examined and reported upon in a few days. Yours respectfully, James Watts Lodge, secretary")—This one was also written by me by Charles Webb's direction; "London, September 17th, 1866. Dear Sir. I am instructed by the directors to inform you that your account will be settled on 8th October."—I wrote those letters from instructions, I copied them from written instructions, on loose pieces of paper—I am sure I wrote them by the direction of Charles Webb—I did not call his attention to the expression "the directors," I thought it was all
<hi rend="italic">bond fide</hi>—OK 30th March, 1867, I wrote this letter to Mote—that was from instructions: "Dear Sir. We shall be happy to see you here next Thursday, to make some definite arrangements relatives to your account. Yours respectfully, J. W. Lodge."—I saw Mr. Mote at the office once, I imagine that was after I had written that letter—he was not paid any money, that I am aware of—there is more than one person's hand writing to this policy—the second signature, George Edward, is that of I Webster—the body of it is mine, that was my duty—I filled up the policies by Charles Webb's direction—he has signed it in the name of Charles Randall—I did not give out the policy, I merely made it out—I can't tell bow many policies like that I have made out—some days there were not any—it might go for weeks without any—there was a policy kept, and the rotation number was kept correctly from some number that was started with—I should say they did not begin with No. 1—I commenced from a book that was in use—this is a written number—I should say I filled up nearer 500 than 100, I should think over a thousand—this is not the policy book, it is an agency book—part of it is in my writing—it was kept in the office—it contains the names of the agents—I could not say that I made out policies for all the agents—I have seen the agents at the office—I cant tell what has become of them—there might have been many policies issued from the office, not through agents—I have taken money occasionally by instruction—if any person brought money to pay into the office I took it, and that would be used for petty cash—very little was received—the money was paid for the insurance of their plate glass—in those cases the polices were issued—my name is down in this book as an agent—policies issued at the office was not put down as my agency business—my agency business was very little—I got it by making applications, the same as other agents, and I was paid a commission upon the custom I introduced from out of doors—this letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is not my writing—I don't know whose it is—</p>
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<p>it is written on one of the headings of the company that were in use in the office—I don't think any claims were made for broken glass for six or seven months after George Webb came there—I can't say how many claims were made while I was there—a great many were made where the glass was replaced—not only by Mr. Mote but by other parties who have paid small amounts, 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I could not tell how many claims, altogether, have been made, without the entry-book—I don't know where it is—every claim was attended to as soon as it could be, according to instructions—when I left the company, about 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 26
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was owing to me for wages—I left because I became disgusted with the affair—I could not positively swear whether, before I left, persons had complained that they could not get their glass replaced—there might hare been one or two instances—I believe everything was replaced as far as they could possibly do it—I could not point out any special case where a claim was made and not paid, of cannot remember any—it is two years ago—I knew nothing of the office at 14A, Lime Street—I never went there—all the time I was employed it was at cornhill.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you first join this com
<lb/>pany?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> In March, 1866—that was not in consequence of an advertise
<lb/>ment—there were a good many agents—a great many of them were de
<lb/>faulters—I could not say the amount, but something considerable—plate glass vans Were used for the company—Whether was one of the directors—I was not, I was secretary—I merely signed by order—I never knew why Charles Webb signed his name Charles Randall, unless it was to give greater weight to the company—he never told them the reason—plate glass was bought and paid for (
<hi rend="italic">looking at some receipts</hi>)—I have not seen any of these before—I know nothing of them, they are all receipts for plate glass—there was so Mr. Lewis in the firm in my time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Can you tell me about the date when George Webb became an agent of the company?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have no date—I should say it was six or seven months from the commencement—I can't tell when Mr. Mote first began to serve the company—I should think it was before George Webb became an agent—there were agents living in different parts of the town—as far as I know, George Webb simply acted as an agent, the same as the others.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What was the commission allowed to agents?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> 15 percent, on the premiums received—I suppose the agents were all de
<lb/>faulters, as far as I know—I don't know anything at all about it—I could name one or two who were defaulters—I can't specify the amount—a person named Stevens was a defaulter—there might have been others—this book would not show it—this is not the cash-book, it is merely a rough-book—it is not my writing—the index containing the names of the agents is Charles Webb's writing—my name appears here as an agent—I was not a defaulter—I received a very small amount—it is not entered here—I could not say whether George Webb with a defaulter—he never paid me any money—I find here an entry at page 85, in Charles Webb's writting of 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. as being earned by George Webb up to April 1867—I had nothing to do with that, and I know nothing about It—I only know of you defaulters, Stevens and another—I could not tell Stevens amount—this took would not show it—there is no cash account in it—this is merely to how the amount of business done—it would show the commission received, to not the moneys paid over—I fitted up this policy before the signatures were put to it this Examined, J. D., "means myself Joseph Dodge."</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-13" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-13" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-13" type="surname" value="MOTE"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-13" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL MOTE</persName> </hi>. I live at 131, Marlborough Road, Chelsea, and in was a glazier—in the beginning of April, 1866, Charles Webb called at my place, and told me that he was going to take an agency for a plate glass insurance company, and he thought he could make it something worth my while—he thought he could get me some work—I said, "Very well"—he said, "You will have to put it in very low, as other people will go against you; all I shall want out of it is 2 1/2 per cent."—he did not tell me at that time where the office was, but afterwards I had frequent orders sent me to replace breakages—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are the orders—I saw Charles Webb several times afterwards, and spoke to him—I paid, "You seem to be doing a good trade"—he said, "Yes, there are other persons doing portions of it; I shall get you as much as I can."—I saw George Webb afterwards, twice, that was after I had applied for my money—I only sent in one account—Charles Webb represented the form as being a
<hi rend="italic">bond fide</hi> one, and of course I did not like to send in the bill too quickly—I let it run on for five months—it was then between 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the first time I saw George Webb was When I and my lawyer went to the office in Cornhill—we went up stairs—there was nobody there, only a lot of people on the stairs waiting to see some one and they said we were some of the arm and knew all about it—we waited on the stairs from 9 till 10 o'clock—there was no one there—I then went to get some refreshment, and returned and saw Mr. Dodge—I saw George Webb that same morning in the office—the persons who had been waiting on the stairs were then gone—there were about ten men and women—George Webb and Dodge were together in the office—my lawyer talked to them, and said, "I can see what you are; give my client 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in lieu of his 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I will give you a note of hand, free of all demands"—"Is that right," he said to me—I said, "Yes"—George Webb went away to fetch the 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I was to come back in two hours to receive it—when I came back the office was closed—I afterwards received this letter—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "'Change Alley Chambers, 24, Cornhill. April 17. air. Your having pro
<lb/>posed to take 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. cash in settlement of your claim against the London and Provincial Plata Glass Company, I hereby agree to get the directors to pay the above sum at your office, 59, Friday Street, on Monday next, at 12 o'clock. Yours, &c., T. Fowler"—I never got any money, not a farthing—I know nothing of Mr. Fowler.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know that other persons besides you were employed to supply plate glass to the company?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have since ascertained it—I went to the office several times on the day I speak of, I dare say every hour up to 4 o'clock—I have been there about fifty times, and only found the office open twice, and then Mr. Dodge was there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long did you act for the company altogether, then?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Six or seven mouths, not more—I did not see. George Webb till the lost thing, when I last applied for my money—I should have been content to abandon all proceedings if I had received the 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-14" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-14" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-14" type="surname" value="RAPPEN"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-14" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE RAPPEN</persName> </hi>. I take care of the offices at 24, Cornhill—Mr. Lodge had a room there on the third floor—I saw Charles Webb come to the places—I knew him as Mr. Randall—I used to take in a great many letters—I did not sec anyone acting in the office, except Lodge and Randall—a great many persons came there for money for broken glass—I don't know whether they have been paid—the office was open from 9 till 4 o'clock—it was closed up for two or three months before they left, and on one could get in.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-15" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-15" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-15" type="surname" value="STEEL"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-15" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES STEEL</persName> </hi>. I live at 196, Queen's Board, Dalston, and am an oilman—in November, 1868, Charles Webb came to me and wanted to know if I would insure my plate glass—I told him I would—he said he belonged to the Plate Glass Insurance Company—two days after George Webb came with the policy, and I paid him 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he left this policy (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I asked him what he was, and he said, he had brought the policy—I said, "Well, it is rather quick work"—I asked him what I should do if a breakage took place, and he said the company was at 14A, Lime Street, and if I applied to them, it would be all right—I have had no occasion to make any claim,—</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-16" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-16" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-16" type="surname" value="BINKS"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-16" type="given" value="DAVID"/>DAVID BINKS</persName> </hi>. I keep the Bull in the Pound, Stamford Street, Blackfriars Road—I am insured in this plate glass office, 24, Cornhill—I commenced in 1867—I can't say who it was I saw when I first insured, but it was a party who signed himself George Wood—Charles Webb called upon me with the policy, in November, 1868, he then said the office was removed from Corn
<lb/>hill, to 14A, Lime Street, and he persuaded me to insure my lamps; I issued them for 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I also paid him the premium for the platt glass—he gave me this receipt—about a month after that my glass was broken, and I made application for it to be restored—I had the shutter up for eight weeks, and made several applications during that time, and at last I had to put it in at my own expense—about February or March this year, I went to the office—I did not see anyone there, the door was locked.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Dol understand you to swear that you never saw George Webb in your life?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I will not swear that I did—I saw him at the Police Court, but I would not swear then that he was the man.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-17" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-17" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-17" type="surname" value="WENMOTH"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-17" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WENMOTH</persName> </hi>. I am a tailor, and live at 45, Great Titch
<lb/>field Street—on 25th August, 1868, Charles Webb called at my shop for the premium of insurance—I had previously insured with him—in August, 1868, I paid him 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and received this receipt from him—I had paid him the same amount the year previously—I know nothing of the paid except from the receipts—they were signed by Charles Webb—I also have a receipt for August, 1869—Charles Webb came to my place then—he was taken into custody at the time, and had not time to sign the receipt.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You had no plate glass broken?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—when the detective was there, I did not say, "I have got the receipt, the money is yours, you can do what you please with it"—he had put the money into his pocket at that time, and it was taken from him at the station—it was not lying on the counter—he asked me if I was going to press the charge, and he offered the money to me—the policeman waved his hand, which meant that I was not to take it—I held the receipt in my hand—I did not say anything about the receipt—the prisoner did not say that as he had given me the proper receipt he would take the money—I don't remember him saying, "You may depend upon it there is to fraud, or I should not have called upon you"—the detective was present all the time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-18" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-18" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-18" type="surname" value="WEBB"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-18" type="given" value="BROWN WOLSEY"/>BROWN WOLSEY WEBB</persName> </hi>. I live at 87, Great Titchfield Street, and am a cheesemonger—at the end of October, 1868, George Webb called upon was—he asked me whether my plate glass was insured—I told him, "No"—to asked if I was willing to insure it—I said, "Yes," and asked him the amount that it would require to insure it—he measured it up, and told me it would be 27
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I wrote him out a cheque for the amount, and asked him when the policy would be sent—it was on the Saturday he measured</p>
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<p>the glass, and I made arrangements for him to come on the Monday, and then I gave him the cheque—this is the cheque—he endorsed it in my presence—I asked when I should have a policy—he said, "We will send it on in a few days"—I waited for a month, and no policy came—I wrote to the address in Lime Street, but received no answer—I wrote again, and received no answer, and I then went to the office, some time in January, this year—the first time I went I found no one there, and could not get in—I went again a second time; but could not get in then.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What time was it you went to the office?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About 12 o'clock—there Was only one door to the office, and the chain was up—I was there on more than one occasion.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAM</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When George Webb called on you, did he say he was agent to the company?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said he was an agent.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-19" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-19" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-19" type="surname" value="DRURY"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-19" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY DRURY</persName> </hi>. I live at 3, Mead's Court, Wardour Street—at the letter part of 1868, George Webb came to me, and asked whether I wanted to insure my plate glass window—he said he called from the company, 14A, Lime Street, and he showed me a policy, which he had prepared all ready for someone else—on the 5th January, 1869, he called again, and he gave me this receipt—he signed it in my presence—I paid him 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to insure the window, and 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for the duty—he signed the receipt on my counter as "George Wood"—I afterwards saw him at the Marlborough Street Police Court—he was amongst five or six persons, and I selected the prisoner instantly as being the man who signed the receipt as George Wood—I only knew him by the name of Wood—this is the receipt—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "5th January, 1869. General Plate Glass Insurance Company, 14A, Lime Street. Received of Mr. Henry Drury, 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on deposit, on account of amount of premium and duty for insurance of front. Annual premium, 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; duty, 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. Signed, George Wood."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-20" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-20" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-20" type="surname" value="COOK"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-20" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH COOK</persName> </hi>. I live at 14A, Lime Street, and have charge of the rooms there—at the end of August, 1868, the prisoner Charles Webb took a room there at 26
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year—I saw him there three or four times—not more than that—when he first took the office a young man came there for two or three months, and then an old man came—there was also another person, who I have heard is since dead—the old man came after him, and he was out a good deal—Frederick Webb, the man who was convicted, paid and the rent—there was only a quarter and a half a quarter's rent paid—after Frederick Webb was taken, the old man did not come, only to take the letters; and he went away again—sometimes he did not come for four or five days—after some time he did not come at all—we took forcible possession of the room—there was only a piece of drugged, a counter, a book, and an inkstand—I believe this is the book (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—there was also a stool, which I had lent them—a great many persons came there and complained of having their windows broken, and of not having been paid—I should think about 100 came, at different times, or more than that.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You did not see George Webb there at all, did you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you remember a Mr. Webster being there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I think he was the person who was there before the old man came—I did not hear that he was dead for a long time after he had died—I don't know when it was that he did die—I know the office was not shut up for a time in consequence of his death—I can't say the date</p>
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<p>upon which the last rent was paid—I had a letter from Mr. Webb, saying that it should be sent—I gave a receipt for the rent when it was paid.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-21" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-21" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-21" type="surname" value="MCDONALD"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-21" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH MCDONALD</persName> </hi>. I have the care of the office at 27, Pudding Lane—there has never been a National General Casualty Insurance Company at that place, to, my knowledge—I never saw the prisoners in my life.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was there a Mr. Kitcheners there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—he was on the middle floor—whether he let a part of that office to Charles Webb or not, I don't know.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-22" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-22" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-22" type="surname" value="POLLOCK"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-22" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES POLLOCK</persName> </hi>. I live at 25, Moorgate Street, and am a tailor—in 1868 Charles Webb took a room there on the third floor—he took it for twelve months, at 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year—I saw George Webb there frequently—I never went into the office while they occupied it—I saw other persons some there to attend the business—besides the prisoners there was a young man named Bennett—I took forcible possession of the office in August last—persons went up there and could not get in—I have received no rent.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-23" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-23" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-23" type="surname" value="BENNETT"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-23" type="given" value="SAMUEL JOHN"/>SAMUEL JOHN BENNETT</persName> </hi>. In July, 1868, I was employed at the National General Casualty Insurance Company, at the room mentioned by the last witness—I was engaged by a Mr. Barratt, who was supposed to be the secretary of the company—he was in Whitecross Street Prison when he engaged me—I went there on a visit—bye was a more permanent occupier—I went to the place of business, and saw Charles Webb—the office was at 25, Moorgate Street, on the third floor—there was nearly everything there that was requisite for an office: three desks, two chairs, and several books, and an inkstand—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was not one of the books—I never saw any directors there—I saw Henry and Frederick Webb there—I never knew Charles Webb by any other name—I did not see any policies signed—I saw him fill up the body of the policies—I never saw them signed—they were taken away, and supposed to be signed by the; directors—I was there six or seven weeks—Barratt paid me from Whitecross Street—I went there to get the money sometimes, and sometimes he sent in to me—they used to come and book the amounts they had taken during the day—a regular business seemed to be done—I did not know a man named Lewis—I have heard since that Barrett's name is Lewis.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you ever seen him at the office?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never—I never heard him called Lewis, only since—the books and papers were kept under look and key—I had the key—I Had received orders not to allow any policies to be issued without Barratt's consent—the office was very nicely furnished—quite good enough for use.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-24" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-24" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-24" type="surname" value="POLLOCK"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-24" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES POLLOCK</persName> </hi>. The furniture was all mine, except the counter.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What did you do?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was there and answered persons when they came—several persons came to have their breakages replaced—Charles Webb told me, if anyone came, to say they should be put in as soon as possible—I daresay I told twenty persons in the six or seven week—three or four of them came three or four times—I told Chorles Webb of it, and he said it was the surveyor's fault not having called, or else the glisters neglected his business.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-25" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-25" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-25" type="surname" value="MATTHEWS"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-25" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN MATTHEWS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant E</hi> 27). On 16th May, this year I got a warrant to take Charles Webb into custody—I was not able to find him—I gave instructions about him, and saw him, in the custody of Came, before the Magistrate—I went to 14A, Lime Street, and was present when it was opened—I found this book there—it was the only one—there was also a desk and a stool.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-26" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-26" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-26" type="surname" value="CANE"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-26" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM CANE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 35), On 26th August, I was at the shop of Mr. Wenmoth, in plain clothes—I was waiting there for Charles Webb—he came in—I was in the back room—I saw Wenmoth lay down some money on the counter—Webb took it up and put it in his pocket—I asked him if his name was Webb, and he said, "Yes"—I said, "I hold a warrant for your apprehension"—he stood for about a minute or two before be made any answer, find then he said to Mr. Wenmoth, "I shall give you back your money"—I held up my hand for Mr. Wenmoth not to take the money back, and told the prisoner he would have to go to the station with me—he said he was a principal of the firm of the Plate Glass Insurance—I got another warrant after that—I found I had not got the right one—the warrant I held was for George—I afterwards got another warrant and took Charles into custody—George was taken on the 4th—I found him at the Marlborough Street police-station—I showed him the warrant, and told him he would be charged with fraud—he did not say anything to that—I placed him out in the yard at the back with several other men, and Mr. Drury picked him out.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was not the 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on the counter?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; Mr. Wenmoth put it on the counter, and the prisoner Charles Webb put it in his pocket—I took the receipt from Mr. Wenmouth I did not hear the prisoner say, "Well, you have got the proper receipt, I may as well take the money; for depend upon it if there was any fraud I should not have called upon you in a year"—I did not hear those words at all—I found a large quantity of receipts.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-27" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-27" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-27" type="surname" value="WEBB"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-27" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WEBB</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">received a good character.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-890-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<rs id="t18691025-890-punishment-2" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18691025-890-punishment-2" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-890-punishment-2" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-890-18691025 t18691025-890-punishment-2"/>
<hi rend="italic">Two Years' Im
<lb/>prisonment.</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES WEBB</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18691025-890-verdict-2" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18691025-890-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-890-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18691025-890-punishment-3" type="punishmentDescription">
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<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday October</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1869.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ELIZA WILLIAMS</hi> (36)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18691025-891-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi> to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.—</rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE BAYARD</hi> (34)</persName>, and
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES PARKER</hi> (44)</persName>, were indicted for
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<interp inst="t18691025-892-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/> a like offence, Bayard having been before convicted; to which </rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">BAYARD</hi>
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<interp inst="t18691025-892-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-892-18691025 t18691025-892-punishment-5"/>Five Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-31" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-31" type="given" value="FRITZ"/>FRITZ THEURER</persName> </hi>. I keep the City of Vienna public-house, Oxford Street—on 16th September I served Bayard with a glass of beer—he gave me a half-crown—I told him it was bad—he said that he got it from the
<hi rend="italic">Cafe de v etoile</hi>—he spoke in French—he gave me other money—Parker then came in and ordered a glass of beer—he went out again, came back, drank the beer, and went away—each time he came in he saw me trying the half-crown with a hammer—I only saw Parker look at Bayard—I kept the half-crown and gave it to the police—Bayard went out—I followed him to Oxford Street, and saw him join Parker at the corner of Denmark Street—they talked together—I spoke to a constable, and they were taken.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-32" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-32" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES REEVES</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 44). I was on duty in Oxford Street, and at the corner of Crown Street Theurer pointed out Roberts, who gives the name of Bayard—I followed him, and saw him join Parker at the end of Denmark Street—they were talking two or three minutes, and then walked on, talking for about sixty yards—I followed them and stopped them—I</p>
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<lb/>ing a bad half-crowns—Roberts said, "No"—Parker said, "I do not know anything of this man, he only asked me for a match"—I said, "You have been a long time giving him a match, I have followed you some distance"—took them to the station, and found on Bayard two bad shillings and two half-pence, and on Parker 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. worth of postage stamps and a good shilling, 8 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in bronze, and a pawn ticket—Parker said he lived somewhere in Shoreditch—he afterwards gave his right address, 11, Chapter Street, Drary Lane.</p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-33" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are bad.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">PARKER</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM THORNE</hi> (26)</persName>, and
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<hi rend="largeCaps">SARAH ANN THORNE</hi> (22)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18691025-893-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, Feloniously having in their possession a mould for coining, </rs>to which
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM THORNE</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-893-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>**—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">offered no evidence against</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">SARAH ANN THORNE</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFORD</hi> and
<hi rend="smallCaps">COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-38" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-38" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-38" type="surname" value="ELDRIDGE"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-38" type="given" value="FREDERICK AUGUSTUS"/>FREDERICK AUGUSTUS ELDRIDGE</persName> </hi>. I am bar-boy at the Old Swan, Upper Thames Street—on 22nd September, about 6.30, I served the male prisoner With a glass of
<hi rend="italic">cooper</hi>—he gave me a half-crown—I put 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change on the counter, and he shook his arm over it, with his finger turned towards his coat, and then asked me to oblige him with two sixpences for a shilling—the silling he gave me was bad, and was not one of those I had given to him—I bent it, and gave it to my fellow servant—the male prisoner asked me to give it him back—I refused, and went out for a policeman—when I returned the prisoner was gone—I afterwards saw him brought back—he was charged at the station.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">C. T. Chandler. Q.</hi> How can you swear it was not one of the shillings you gave me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Because I could see the other two shillings under your thumb—I saw the three shillings at one time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-39" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-39" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-39" type="given" value="JOHN ARTHUR LEONARD"/>JOHN ARTHUR LEONARD DILLOWAY</persName> </hi>. I am a servant at the Old Swan—I was in the bar when the male prisoner came in, and saw him shake his sleeve—Eldridge said, "This won't be for me," and took it out of his hand, and bent it four times—I sent him for a constable; and when he had gone the prisoner walked out, leaving half his
<hi rend="italic">cooper</hi>—he went up Swan Lane, and nearly at the top of it met the female prisoner; he put his hands to her breast, and she dropped what, I think, was a shilling, but which sounded bad or cracked—I said, "What do you do with that bad shilling?"—she stooped to pick it up, and I said, "What has that to do with you?"—she went down Swan Lane, towards the house, and I followed the man to the corner of Lawrence Poultney Lane, where he took a guard off his neck, and either threw it away or put it in his pocket—he went into All hallow's Pier, where I gave him in custody—I went to the Mansion House next day, to prefer the charge, and saw the female prisoner walk to the cells where the male prisoner was put—I pointed her out, and she was taken in custody and brought into the Court.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">C. T. Chandler. Q.</hi> Did you see anything drop from my sleeve?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-40" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-40" type="surname" value="TILLER"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-40" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED TILLER</persName> </hi>. I am errand boy, at 2, Swan Lane—on 22nd September about 6.30, I saw the prisoners in Swan Lane, and saw the man give some
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">C. T. Chandler. Q.</hi> Can you swear it was a shilling I passed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, because I saw it drop; and by the sound of it, it was bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-41" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-41" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-41" type="surname" value="BOWERS"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-41" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BOWERS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 620). On 22nd September I was on Allhallow's Pier, and Dilloway gave the male prisoner into my charge—I told him the charge—he said that it was false—I took him to the Swan, and Eldridge said that he had passed a bad shilling—he said that it was false, and he wished the gentleman would not lock him up, as he was in a good situation, and it would be very serious to him—I found on him a good shilling and a watch guard—he gave his address, 3, Ravensborne Street, Greenwich—I found that address, but found no one of the name there—the female prisoner was pointed out to me, next morning, at the Mansion House, and I told her I should charge her with being concerned, with her husband, in passing bad money—I believe he is her husband—I found on her a shilling and a halfpenny—she gave her address, 1, Clarendon Place, Kent Street, Borough, and the male prisoner, going to the station, gave the same address—I went there, and found that they lived there as man and wife.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner handed in their marriage certificate.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">C. T. Chandler's Defence.</hi> I am innocent. I paid with a good half-crown. It stands to reason, if I was going to pass a bad shilling, I should not shake my arm in front of his face, to let him see what I was doing.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-43" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-43" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH ACKISS</persName> </hi>. On 18th August, I served the prisoner with a halfpenny worth of milk—he gave me a shilling—I gave it to my father to change, and he detected it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-44" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM ACKISS</persName> </hi>. I saw the prisoner give my daughter a shilling—she handed it to me, and I found it was bad, and gave, him in custody.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-45" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-45" type="surname" value="TAYLOR"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-45" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD TAYLOR</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 56). I took the prisoner, and received this shilling from Ackiss—he said it was given to him for carrying a parcel from Waterloo Bridge, and he did not know it was bad—he was taken before a Magistrate and discharged.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-46" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-46" type="surname" value="CHANDLER"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-46" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN CHANDLER</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk at the booking-office of the Great Eastern Railway—on 11th September the prisoner asked for a ticket for Tottenham, which came to 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he put down a half-crown—I told him it was bad—he took it up, and came back and put down another half-crown—I cannot say whether it is the same—I broke it, and said, "This is a bad one, and I think I have had it here before"—he was taken in custody, and I gave up the broken pieces.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-47" type="surname" value="BRETT"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-47" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRETT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G. E. R.</hi> 35). On 11th September, I saw the prisoner loitering about with another boy—the prisoner went to the booking-office—I saw the half-crown, but he snatched it up before I could get near it—a few minutes afterwards he came up, when passengers were getting</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman H R</hi> 44). I took the prisoner, and received a broken half-crown, and three good shillings, and a good florin.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-49" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This halfcrown is bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I did not know it was bad.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-51" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE LANE</persName> </hi>. I am servant to a confectioner, at 220, High Street, Borough—on a Saturday in October, about 9 o'clock, I served the prisoner with some barley sugar, which come to 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a shilling—I said, "This is bad"—he said, "Bad, aye?"—he gave me good money, and put the bad shilling in his purse—I asked him if he knew where he took it—he said that he did not—I told him he ought to be very careful, there was a deal of bad money about—he said that it was the first piece he had had for seventeen years.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Were people in the neighbourhood complaining of taking bad money?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—he appeared sober—the coin was very soft.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-52" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM LAWRENCE</persName> </hi>. I am pot-boy at the Black Bull, Whitechapel Road—on 2nd October I served the prisoner with a quartern of gin—he gave me a bad shilling—I bent it, gave it back to him—he put it in his pocket and said, "I did not mean to give you that one"—he paid me with good coin—I saw a woman pick up something, I do not know what, but she put it to her mouth, and said, "Perhaps this is a bad one," and made as if she threw it away—the shilling he tendered to me was bent a little, I believe, and I bent it more.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he offered her a coin, which she bent with her teeth, said "This is a bed one," and passed it to me—he said he did not know it was bad, and pulled out another, saying, "Look at that, see if that is a bad one"—I bent that and told him it was bad—I said, "This is the third one you have tried," and asked his name and address—he gave me a florin, and I gave him the change—when the constable came he had his purse out, and I saw another bad shilling in it—I said, "There is another bad one"—it was bent, and I said, "That is the one he tendered to the boy," and gave him in charge—I saw a woman by him stoop and pick up a shilling—some people said, "Throw it outside, they have got quite sufficient—I saw a bad shilling found on him at the station.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was he drunk?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was fresh.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-54" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MESSENGER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 412). The prisoner was given into my custody on 2nd October, with these three shillings—going to the station a good shilling dropped from him, and a boy picked it up and gave it to me—I searched him at the station, and found 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, a foreign coin, and a bad shilling—I told him it was bad—he made no answer—he had been drinking, but could walk without staggering.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-55" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These four coins are bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">SMITH</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Protection; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Horse.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-58" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRANNAN</persName> </hi>. I am agent to the Solicitor to the Treasury—on the night of 23rd September, in consequence of information, I went to Old Street Station, and saw the two prisoners, and several constables, one of whom, Boultbee, gave me four packets (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), each containing ten bad sixpences, separately wrapped in paper—I said to Horse, "You will have to account for the possession of this, it is counterfeit coin"—he said, "I know nothing about it, there was nothing found on me"—Smith said, "Don't you though; I won't say any more about it here, but I will elsewhere"—Miller said in their presence, that he had been watching them a considerable time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Gross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you in the habit of cross-examining prisoners?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; but I may have accused prisoners a dozen times—I was never cautioned by a Magistrate for doing so when I was police inspector.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you ever cross-examine a prisoner in your life?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never—I only let them know what case they have to meet.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-59" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-59" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MILLER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi>). On 21st September, I was with Boultbee, in the City Road, and saw the two prisoners and another man and woman—I watched them from 7 till 8.45; they went into the Green Gate, stopped there some time, and then came out and went over the City Bridge Road to a public-house, where they sat in the garden, and then came back to the Green Gate—I seized Smith, and Boultbee seized Horse—I had been into the houses and made inquiries—I said to West who was crossing the road, "I will hold this
<hi rend="italic">chap,</hi> and you search him"—Howse, who was close by, said "If he has got any counterfeit coin about him, I know nothing about it"—nothing had been said about counterfeit coin—I saw West take off Smith's cap, and take four packages of money from it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi>). I was with Miller, and saw the prisoners with another man and woman—I watched them an hour and three quarters, and stopped them at the corner of Bath Street—I caught bold of Howse, and said, "I shall search you"—he said, "If you find any counter
<lb/>feit coin on him," pointing to Smith, "I know nothing about it"—nothing had been said about counterfeit coin—he was very violent—West gave me the money, and I gave it to Brannan.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you find good money on Howse?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—if I suspect persons of having counterfeit coin, I search them in the street, at once—I go up to a man in the street, and put my hands into his pockets without telling him what I am going to charge him with—I cannot charge them with the possession of coin till I have searched them.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You did as you do in other cases?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I have not been reprimanded for doing so.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-61" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-61" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEST</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi>). Between 8 and 9 o'clock, on Thursday evening, I was at the corner of Bath Street, and saw House, looking at Boultbee—I was asked to search Smith, and heard Howse say, "If he has got any counterfeit coin on him I do not know anything about it"—nothing had been said about counterfeit coin, in my hearing—Smith gave some coppers—I then took off his hat, and said, "Your hat seems rather</p>
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<p>heavy, what is in it?"—he said, "I don't know"—I pulled the lining out and found these four packets of counterfeit, coin—I took him to the station.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you go up to people in the street, and search them at any time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> We have orders to search any persons who are supposed to be counterfeit coin dealers, there and then—I should search you if I suspected you, and did not know you.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-62" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-62" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-62" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-62" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These forty sixpences are had.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HOWES</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been before convicted of a like offence, to which he</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>**—
<hi rend="italic">
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-64" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-64" type="given" value="CHARLES JOHN"/>CHARLES JOHN STUBBS</persName> </hi>. On the night of 11th September, the prisoner came to my house, and I served him with a glass of ale—he gave me a half-crown—I tried to bend it, but could not, and put it in the till, being very busy—about a minute afterwards I went back to the till, saw that it was bad, and placed it at the back—there were no more like it—it had William the Fourth's head on it—about ten minutes afterwards the prisoner returned, and tendered another half-crown, which I bent, and told him that was the second half-crown he had tendered in ten minutes—he threw down a shilling, and said, "Don't put your hands on me; your master knows me very well—he was given in custody, with the two bad half-crowns.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Were you very busy?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—the other waiters do not take money, to my knowledge—there was other money in the till.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E</hi> 411). I was called to the Mogul Tavern, took the prisoner, and saw this bad half crown—next day I received this other half-crown from Stubbs—as soon as the prisoner got outside the bar, he struck me on the face, and kicked me on the shins, and, at the corner of Long Acre, he took something like money from his pocket, and threw it on the ground—it was too dark for me to see it, and there was a crowd—I searched him at the station, and found 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in silver, and 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, in different pockets; but there was nothing in his right-hand pocket, from which he threw something away—I found this half-crown (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) in his cell, next morning.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> You did not see or hear what I threw away?
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I heard it—I could not hear how it rung, because it was a wet night.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-66" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-66" type="surname" value="GILLINGHAM"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-66" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GILLINGHAM</persName> </hi>. I am messenger at Bow Street Police Station—on Sunday morning I swept out the cell, where the prisoner and another man had been, and found this half-crown, with a piece broken out of it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I had swept the cell out on Saturday.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-67" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-67" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-67" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-67" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These three half-crowns are bad; two of them are from one mould; and that found in the cell is from a different mould.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> If he thought the first half-crown was bad, why not lay it outside the till? The second one, of course, was bad; but I did not know it. The third I know nothing about.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-898-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18691025-898-punishment-10" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-898-punishment-10" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
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<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, October</hi> 26
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1869.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. STRAIGHT</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">'bus,</hi> from Piccadilly—I saw the prisoner by Piccadilly—I was not standing still, I was walking on; he spoke to me and asked me to go with him—I said, "No"—he said, "Won't you come with me?"—I said, "No"—then he pulled my jacket—I don't know the name of the place where he did that—it was by Piccadilly—it was not far from the place where he first spoke to me I—I had just left my sister—he asked me to go with him at that time—I went round to Mrs. Checkley's—she lives at 27, Greek Street—I went then because I thought that man would follow me—when I was nor Stagg & Mantle's, the linen drapers, he again asked me to go with him, and he would buy me a new dress; he also showed me a ring on his finger, and said he would give it to me, if I would go with him—I said, "No, sir," and went on walking—I went through Ryder's Court, and, at a coffee-shop there, he pulled my jacket and asked me to go in there with him—I had not stopped walking—I got away from him, and went through another court—I don't know the name of it—lie pulled me towards a tobacconist's win
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<hi rend="italic">Gross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you been often in London before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I have been living with my sister—I had not been often up from Fullham to London—I had been going from London to Fulham—my father and mother live in Star Lane, Fulham—I was living with my mother at this time—I had lived with my sister about A month—that was before this—it was not in August—I don't know when it was—it was a short time before—I was going home from my sister's the first time I saw Mr. Risley—my sister's name is Caroline Mason—she was then living at 31, Berwick Street—she was called Mrs. Roberts—I have some
<lb/>times heard her called
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi>—I have not called her so—I don't know whether Mrs. Checkley has, I have not heard her—I did not know Mr. Roberts—I have seen him—I took my meals with him while I was staying there—I knew him as living with my sister there—I sometimes went to see my sister at 27, Greek Street—I did not live with her there—I don't know how long she lived there—I have been in there about four times—that was list year—Mr. Roberts was not living with her then—I don't know whether the knew him then; I did not—before I went to live with my sister I was in the habit of coming from Fulham to London, not by myself—I came up on 17th August to go to my sister's, to deliver a message, to tell her that my other sister in Mount Street, would not give her pledge ticket—I did not go to my sister's in Mount Street that morning—I had been on the Monday—I met my sister Caroline at Piccadilly—my mother gave me 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to come up, and my sister gave me 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to go back again—I was not long with my sister that morning—I was not going to Greek Street—I only went there because I met Mr. Risley—I knew Mrs. Checkley—I don't blow how long I had known her—not so long as a year or two—my mother did not know her—I know Mrs. Turnell by my sister living in her house—that was 27, Greek Street—I have told the truth about meeting my sister Caroline in Piccadilly on this morning—I did not say so before—I did not go before the Magistrate the day I saw Mr. Risley—I did some time after—I don't know the Magistrate's name—I was sworn to tell the truth—I told the Magistrate that on that Tuesday morning I had been to my married Bister, Mrs. Nutt, in Mount Street—her husband is coachman to a gentle
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I understand you had been to your married sister's on the Monday?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I went after the pawn ticket—I don't know whether I she knew I was going to meet my other sister the next day—I don't know who calls my sister
<hi rend="italic">Louey,</hi> I always call her Caroline—I never heard her called
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi>—I think Mrs. Checkley always called her
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi>—it was on a Monday that Mrs. Nutt asked me how I came to say I had been there on the Tuesday—I don't know what Monday it was—my sister Sarah was present, and Mr. Nutt's sister—no one else, only the two little children—it was since I was here last Session, quite lately—she said she had not seen it in the papers—she did not tell me how she came to know it—I have never seen that gentleman (
<hi rend="italic">Mr. Poncione, the prisoners' solicitor</hi>) at my sister's—it was the day we were going to Marlborough Street that Mrs. Checkley told me not to say anything about my sister
<hi rend="italic">Louey,</hi> not the day I met Mr. Risley, the day I was examined—it was the day Mr. Risley spoke to me that I said mother would not thank me for going.</p>
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<p>shook her head—she then apparently got away from him—ha loosed her cape, and she went on in a straight line—he followed her again, and over
<lb/>took her; they turned up Ryder's Court, and I saw him lay hold of her again, and endeavour to pull her towards a coffee-shop door—she went on up Ryder's Court, he still following—he laid hold of her cape a time or two, and in Hayes Court, I think it was, he again laid hold of her, opposite a tobacconist's window, and took her up to the window, and there held her for some considerable time—he held her for a minute or two—he also bought some apples at a stall in one of the courts, and offered them to her—she shook her head, and refused them two or three times, at last he pushed them almost into her hands—I think she took them at last—he laid of her again, near to another coffee shop, at the corner of Frith Street—the went on again and got into Greek Street, and then ran across the street, and went into a side doorway of a house there—the defendant stood for a second or two, watching whether she went in, and when he saw that she had gone inside the doorway, he turned back down the street—I then went over and got to the doorway just as the door was opened, and the little girl went in—she was in a very agitated state—I had noticed that before she got to the house—I should say that she pulled herself forcibly away from the defendant on two occasions at least—in fact I saw her shake herself, shake him off and pull herself right away from his holding of the cape—I saw Mrs. Turnell at the house—from the complaint the girl made, I asked the people at the house to take charge of her, and I would go and endeavour to get the man's name—I had spoken to two policemen go the road before this, and directed their attention to what I was observing; and after I had left the house, I met one of those policemen again, and spoke to him—I caught sight of the prisoner again in a minute or two, going down Castle Street, I think—he was loitering about, walking slowly down—I kept behind him—I saw him speak to two young ladies, and then to a little child of about seven years of age, who was looking into a photographic and picture shop, in Castle Street—I saw him speak to that child about three times—the third time he stooped down and whispered something in her ear, and then she apparently looked frightened—he laid hold of her by the cape, in the same way, and she ran away up the street, and I lost sight of her—he was loitering about two or three minutes near the same spot and the next thing I saw was some water go over him—he got into a rage and said it was a great shame that a respectable man like him could not walk the public streets without being insulted in that manner, and he would have the names of those people, and summon them for throwing water over him—he said he would go and look for a policeman—a few minutes after that I saw the constable
<hi rend="italic">C</hi> 201 coming up Castle Street, and I hurried towards him and told him as briefly as I could what had taken place, and asked him to get the defendant's name—he came up the street, and the defendant met him and spoke first to him, and said that someone had thrown water over him, and he wished to get their names—the constable said, "What have they thrown the water over you for?"—he said he did not know—the constable said, "Well, this gentleman appears to know, for be has some charge to make against you, and he wishes me to demand your name and address"—he said, "Well, if he has a right to demand my name, I have a right to demand his and his address"—I said, "I will give it you with great pleasure," and I did so—he then said, "What do you want to know my name and address for I"—I said, "I wish it; I have a charge</p>
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<p>to make against you. I intend to apply for a summons against you"—he wanted to know what for—I said, "In consequence of what your conduct to little girls has been in the street for upwards of two hours"—he said, "Well, what for?"—I said, "If you wish me to tell you, I must tell you before the crowd, but I don't think it would be quite so well for you"—he then laid hold of me, and asked me if I would talk the matter over with him, and asked if I would go along with him—I said I would hold no con
<lb/>versation with him except in the presence of the constable—he refused for some minutes to give his name—I said if he did not I should follow him, and do all I could to get it—he then said, "Well, my name is Ricardo"—I said, "Ricardo of where?" and asked for his Christian name—he said, "Oh, Ricardo, that is enough"—I said, "Of where?"—he said, "Of the Strand"—I said, "What number in the Strand?"—he said, "Oh, that will find me, Ricardo, of the Strand"—I said, "That is very indefinite; that will not do for me; you must give me your full name and address"—he then said, "Ricardo, Surrey Street"—I said, "Surrey Street, Strand"—he said, "Yes"—then I said, "What number?"—he said, "45"—I said, "To the best of my recollection, nearly all the houses in Surrey Street are hotels or private boarding houses; is it a private boarding house where you are staying?"—he said, "Yes"—I then said, "Well, that will not do for me; I must have your Christian name and your private address"—he refused to give me anything else for some little time—I then asked him for his card—he said he had no card—I said, "Then show me an envelope or something from a pocket-book that will convince me"—he said he had no paper—the constable then tore a small bit of paper out of his book, and gave one piece to me and one to the defendant—I saw him attempt to write some
<lb/>thing, but he seemed to be shaking so much and to be so thoroughly un
<lb/>nerved that he was unable to write intelligibly—I could make out "Ris" but no other letters—I was present before Mr. Knox when the little girl was examined—I went down to Nottingham with the constable when the prisoner was apprehended—some few days elapsed before he could be found—he was brought to London, and taken before Mr. Knox the following day—the child was not present then, and there was a remand to the next day, when she was there—I did not hear her express any fear of me, or say she could not speak while I was in the Court—the Magistrate did not request me to leave—the defendant's solicitor did—there is no foundation for the sugges
<lb/>tion that I endeavoured to induce the child to say she had been taken hold of—I have never influenced her in any way in the statement she made—she was quite a stranger to me, and the prisoner also—I never saw him before; at least, I have seen him before, no doubt.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You went down to Fulham, did you not, to see the child's father and mother?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, once; and only once, not twice—I saw the child then—that was before proceedings were actually commenced—I went down to satisfy myself as to the character of the people—I did not say to the child, "Did he pull you?"—I have never endeavoured to influence her in any way whatever—I have never suggested any such question to her as, "Do you remember his pulling you," or "Did you try to get away from him T—I have never asked her such questions—I have of course conversed with all the witnesses, and heard what they had to say—I have not made any inquiries about 27, Greek Street—I have never heard that it was a brothel—the people there seemed very willing to come with me—I have not made any inquiry about the sister—I heard of</p>
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<p>her at the inquiry before Mr. Knox, Mid I heard there were some little discrepancies in the girl's story, and that he misunderstood her, and she had been endeavouring to explain it—I wrote a letter on this subject to the paper—I think I sent a copy to every one of the morning papers—I do so generally, as a rule if I think it is anything important; I Write in manifold—I think I sent a copy of the letter to every one of the morning papers except the
<hi rend="italic">Morning Post</hi>—that was not sent in my character as a reporter—it was not for payment—I wrote as a private correspondent, and lest it should be omitted from one paper I sent a copy to each—I wrote it thinking never to hear anything more of the girl, or anybody connected with the case—it must have been getting on for 2 o'clock when I asked Mr. Rialey for his address—it was close about 12.35 when I first saw him—it was close upon 1 o'clock when I got to the house in Greek Street—I should think it was full an hour afterwards that I spoke to him in Castle Street—he had been loitering about a good bit—I had occupied myself during that time in going after him—I meant not to lose sight of him—his hand trembled very much—I should say he was not under the influence of liquor—he took hold of me by the sleeve when he spoke to me, in a friendly manner—I did not notice that he did so to the policeman—I have since ascer
<lb/>tained his pursuit—I have seen him somewhere in the provinces—I have no doubt he has paid me money before now, for advertisements—I think I have seen him with a circus—I may be mistaken—he is an agent for the Japanese—I can't tell where I have seen him—I had an Impression that I had seen him once at Stratford—there was a circus there—I found him at Nottingham with the Japanese troupe—I did not go to the Surrey Theatre to make inquiry about him—he wrote on the paper the letters
<hi rend="italic">Ris,</hi> and I will be so far candid that I think there were about three other letters that would no doubt answer to "ley"—I did not see "Surrey Theatre"—he said, "Ricardo, Surrey Theatre—that was in the course of conversa
<lb/>tion—I don't know that he was engaged there at that time—he did not say to me that he was Professor Risley—I have some recollection of his saying something about Professor—I did not know then that he was Professor Risley—I first knew it when I saw him at the Nottingham Theatre—I have been a reporter for some time—I was then engaged on the
<hi rend="italic">Morning Star</hi> in two capacities, both in the advertising and reporting department, for two years—I first had the impression that I had seen the defendant before, after he was arrested at Nottingham—I went with the child to Mr. Knox, to apply for a summons, and he referred me to Meters. Shaen and Roscoe, in Bedford Row, and I took her there with Mrs. Checkley, and saw the managing-clerk—that was on the same Tuesday afternoon—I stated the case, and they corroborated it—evidence was not taken in a formal manner—I have given evidence before; three or four years ago some fellows knocked me down and robbed me, and I gave evidence against them, and they were convicted, and got eighteen months—I don't think I have ever given evidence before—I have never written letters to newspapers before about what I have observed in the streets—I went from Mrs. Checkley's to Mr. Knox, with the child and Mrs. Checkley—I did not, in fact, go with them, I went on and they followed, and then I went to Shaen and Roscoe's and told them to come on—we did not go together, they followed on after me—I did not converse with the child, either at Marl
<lb/>borough Street or at Shaen & Roscoe's, about her evidence, or ask whether she had been pulled.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What matter had you for writing the letter that has been spoken of?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Simply on public grounds, because I thought it was such a thing that a man like that should follow a little girl in broad day-light—I never saw such pertinacity—we were only at Messrs. Shaen & Roscoe's office about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—just a few notes were made, in a memorandum book.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you speak to the girl about her evidence this morning?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, not a word—I swear that positively.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLET</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> At the time of the discussion in the station about the name, did the defendant say anything about money?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said if I would go and settle it with him, somewhere, money would be no object—I said I was not going to be bribed—I stated that before the Magistrate.</p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-81" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-81" type="surname" value="CHECKLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-81" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH CHECKLEY</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Checkley, a button stamper, and live at 27, Greek Street, Soho—we have the two top rooms—I only know the child, Maria Mason, by coming backwards and forwards to our house, at the time her sister was living there—I did not know her sister's name—I called her Madame Ernest—I think she lived on the second floor—she had a room of her own there—I never saw the child there since her sister left—that is more than twelve months—I remember her coming there on Tuesday, the 17th August—Mrs. Turnell went to the door first—I was rung for, and went down—there is a shop-door and a long passage before you get to the stairs, and a middle door—the bell is outside, in the street—when I came down I saw the child—she was very much agitated—I had to take her in my arms and hold her—it was more than twenty two minutes before I could get any composure in her—she made a complaint to me—shortly afterwards I saw Mr. Hales—he made a statement, and left—the child went with me that same afternoon to Marlborough Street, before Mr. Knox; and from there we went to Messrs. Shaen & Roscoe's office—the child made a statement—whether they wrote it down or not I don't know.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long have you lived at 27, Greek Street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Five years—I know the house well—Madame Ernest had no family—I know nothing of the child's family—I don't know whether there was a Mr. Ernest—a man who I believe was Mr. Ernest took the room—he used to be there—I don't know whether he lived with Madame Ernest—I was never in the room to see whether he lived then—I have seen them come in and out—I never worked or washed for her—I have been in the room, but was never there to see them together—I have not seen them come in together; I did not say just now that I did—I have seen him there, and I have seen her there; but I never saw them come in or go out together—I may have passed them on the stairs—I have not seen them together in the same bed—I can't say whether I have seen them in the room together, or no—they always kept their door pretty well closed—Mrs. Turnell is my landlady—my husband lives with me, and I have a family—I have since known that Madame Ernest's name was Caroline Mason—I did not know it before this affair—I don't know whether the child knew her as Madame Ernest—I did not know the child's name—I knew she was a sister of Madame Ernest; but I never heard her name—I have seen her with her sister—not often—very seldom—perhaps sometimes of a Sunday afternoon—I have heard her say that she lived at Fulham—I never heard Madame Ernest speak of her sister particularly—I don't know whether she is here—I never saw the mother till</p>
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<p>this affair—I think the child knew Mr. Ernest—of course she did—I don't think she used to sleep there—I can't swear that she did or did not—I don't know that this is a bad house—it is not—I never knew it was a gay house—if I had known it, I should not have stopped there—it has always been well conducted while I have been there—I never saw anything wrong—I don't know that it is a brothel—I don't know the police of the neighbourhood—my husband and I went into the country, for a short time, in the summer, and when we came back we heard a rumour that a woman had brought a man to the house and robbed him of 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the man told the policeman it was one of the three houses; but which it was he could not tell—our house is between the two—I did not know that Mr. and Mrs. Turnell were charged about it—I don't know Mr. Leach, the policeman, or Mr. Pope, or Mr. Pickles—the house if not an improper house, to my knowledge, and never has been—I have not seen Madame Ernest since she left the house—I don't know how long she lived there—I never did anything for her but once, when I made her a little red jacket, which she paid me for—I am a dress maker, and take in needlework—Mrs. Turnell does not pay me anything for waiting on the lodgers—I have not seen ladies come in with strange men—I am up at the top of the house, and don't overlook the other persons in the house—I never was at Madame Ernest's place at Berwick Street—I don't know what name the goes by now—I carry on no correspondence with her—I have never been there to see her—I do not know Mr. Roberta—I don't know that Madame Ernest goes by the name of Roberts now—I have never heard it—I have heard it mentioned in this case—I did not know it till this morning—I gave evidence at Marlborough Street—Mr. Roberts was not called into question there—I believe Madame Ernest was called
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi>—I believe the little girl called her
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi>—I never heard Mrs. Turnell call her so—I went with the child to Marlborough Street—she said she did not like to go without I went with her—Mr. Hales said he should like to take her—I did not tell her not to say she had been with her sister
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi> that morning; but that she had been to Mrs. Nutt's—I do not know Mrs. Nutt—I believe she has a sister of that name; but I do not know her—I did not tell her to say that she had been with her married sister that morning, in Mount Street—all I said to her was, "When you are spoken to, you must tell the truth"—I have only known the child's name since this affair—she used to be called by a nickname—I never knew her by any other name than
<hi rend="italic">Cock Robin</hi>—that was what she was called—her sister called her so—I did not tell her to tell the Magistrate that she had not been with her sister
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi>—if she has stated so it is false—I did not know her sister in Dean Street—I never knew her to be in the hospital—I did not know that she was a common prostitute while she lived at 27, Greek Street—she always acted like a modest woman in my presence, in the house, I never saw her out of it—I have never seen her with other men besides Ernest—I have not met her in the street with men, that I know of—I might have met them, and passed them, and not known them—the child did not wish not to go to Marlborough Street, and say "Mother will not thank you for taking me"—nothing of the kind—if she has said so it is an untruth—Mr. Hales was by all the time—I went with him and the child to Marlborough Street, and afterwards went with him and the child to Messrs. Shaen & Roscoe's—we went together, all three of us—we walked—I have not seen Mr. Hales since—he has not called at our house.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-82" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-82" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-82" type="surname" value="MASON"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-82" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA MASON</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Richard Mason, and lire at 6, Star Lane, North End, Fulham—the little girl, Maria, is my daughter—she will be 13 on 3rd December—she was living with me on 17th August—I knew of her going to town on the Monday—it was with my consent, and also on the Tuesday—the left home about 9.30 in the morning—I did not state any particular time for her to come back—she was going to her sister's, and I could not say how long she was going to stay—I never saw the defendant before I saw him at the Police Court—I would not have consented to my daughter going to any house with him—I did not know of her going to any house that day, only to her sister's.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Which sister did you send her to?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She had occasion to go to both—I understood her she was going to them both—she was going about a pawn-ticket of a dress—she told me she was going to one sister to ask for it—it belonged to the other—I have a daughter called
<hi rend="italic">Louey;</hi> she has two names,
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi> or Caroline, whichever she has a mind to go in—her name is Caroline Louisa—Maria's name is Maria Ann, and I have one named Mary Ann—I never visited my daughter
<hi rend="italic">Louey</hi> at 27, Greek Street, that I remember—I am not in the habit of going much to my children, I am always at work—when they go away from me, of course I cannot follow them about to know what they an doing—she has not visited me very much—she has more lately—I used to see her sometimes when she came to Fulham—she was about sixteen when she left home—she had been in situations before that—she has not returned home since she was sixteen—I knew nothing about her mode of life at Greek Street, nor did my husband—when they go away from home they say they are going to get married, and of course I believe them—I believe she went in the name of Ernest, in Greek Street—I never called her anything but her own name, Louisa—I know nothing of a Mr. Roberts—since this occurrence Maria has been up to stay with her sister, only for a few hours sometimes—she came home at night—she did stay with her for ten days when she was ill, since she was at Marlborough Street—I did not know that my daughter went by the name of Roberts in Berwick Street—believed she was married—I saw some man that she was living with—I don't know what his name was—I never saw much of Ernest—I did not know that my daughter was living with different men—I have suspected it since this, but not before—Maria never told me that her sister's name was Roberts—she never told me anything about a Mr. Roberts—she said she had seen some man, but she did not say his name—I can't say whether it was her husband or not—I never had any conversation with the gentle
<lb/>man at all—she has not been to her sister, in Berwick Street oftener than she has been to Mrs. Nutt—she has been to Berwick Street with my know
<lb/>ledge—I did not caution her about going there—she has been in the habit of going to town—I always gave her money to go by omnibus—I suspected she would meet her sister at Regent Circus upon this day—she said she was going to see her, and she thought she would meet her there—Mr. Ernest never visited me, nor Mr. Roberts—Mr. and Mrs. Nutt have, but only once since they have been in town—I have seen Ernest since this occurrence, in the street, and I have seen Roberts since this occurrence—they are two different persons—I had seen Ernest before this occurrence, but not to know him—I met him in the street, he was pointed out to me by someone—I think it was Mrs. Checkley—she said, "That is that Ernest"—he was not living with my daughter then—I never saw them together—I never made</p>
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<p>inquiry of my daughter how she got her living—I never law Mrs. Checkley before I saw her at Marlborough Street—it was since then that she pointed Ernest out to me—my daughter Maria goes to school sometimes, and some
<lb/>times I keep her at home to help me at Mr. Legman's, at the Elm beershop—that is where I work for as charwoman—the mistress gives her some
<lb/>thing sometimes, because she nurses the daughter's baby—she has not had any regular employment—she is too young—sometimes she hat not been up to town for two months—I sent her to her sister's—she knew her way better than I did—Mrs. Nutt has taken her about London, and she knew bar way.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How many children have you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Seven—I have two younger than Maria—Caroline is about nineteen—up to the 17th August I believed her to be a married woman—I know nothing about Ernest, he was pointed out to me—no one pointed Roberts out to me—I have seen him—I can't tell you where I first saw him—I did not see him before this matter occurred, that I remember—my husband is carter at Mr. Johnson's, getting weekly wages of 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., a week.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-83" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-83" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-83" type="surname" value="ROSKELLY"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-83" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS ROSKELLY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 68). Mr. Hales called my attention to the prisoner and the little girl, in Newport Market—I first saw the prisoner at the corner of Hayes Court; he was walking on—the child had just turned the corner, going up the court, and he was going in the same direc
<lb/>tion.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> I believe you saw nothing that was at all improper?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—when I got to the top of Hayes Court he was on the left-hand side of Greek Street and the girl on the other, but much ahead of him—Hayes Court is rather narrow, and filled up with furniture, placed outside the shops—I was in uniform—I stopped at the top of Hayes Court, talking to a tradesman I knew there, and I called his attention to the girl—I thought Mr. Hales was rather excited; he and I stood there and saw Mr. Risley stop at the corner of Church Street, and the girl go into the house just opposite Church Street—I did not see her ring the bell—directly afterwards Mr. Risley came down and went through Hayes Court and Mr. Hales shortly afterwards came down again—I saw Mr. Risley for about three minutes—during that time I observed nothing wrong.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-84" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-84" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-84" type="surname" value="JACOBS"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-84" type="given" value="ISAAC"/>IHAAC JACOBS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 201). On 17th August I was on duty in Castle Street, about 1.30—Mr. Hales spoke to me—shortly after that the prisoner came and spoke to me—he afterwards asked Mr. Hales to go and speak to him privately, but he refused to do so unless I was with him—when he was asked for his name he asked me for a piece of paper to put his name down, but I could not see what it was—I asked what his name was and he said Ricardo, and mentioned 41, Surrey Street, I think—Mr. Hales said he should let him bear of it—he asked Mr. Hales three or four times to write to him—Mr. Hales asked him to give him his name and address—he said he had not got a card—I gave him a leaf out of my pocket-book, and my pencil, and he wrote only two R's, what the other letters were I don't know—Mr. Hales then asked him for his proper address and where he was doing his duty, or whatever his occupation might be, and he said it was at the Surrey Theatre—I asked him if he could tell me his name and address and he said it was Mr. Ricardo, Surrey Theatre—I took it and gave it to Mr. Hales, and he then left: that was all—he said that money was no object to him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you go to the Surrey Theatre?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—nothing was said about his being a professor—I can't say whether he took hold of</p>
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<p>my sleeve when he spoke to me, he stood close to me—he might possibly have got hold of my sleeve, I did not notice.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-85" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-85" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-85" type="surname" value="CLARKE"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-85" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE CLARKE</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of the detective department, Scotland Yard—I received a warrant for the prisoner's apprehension—I went to Not
<lb/>tingham with Mr. Hales, and took the prisoner into custody there, on 31st August—I read the warrant to him—he said, "If I did touch the child I had no bad intention; I am fond of children, and I might have spoken to her in a fondling manner"—previous to having the warrant, I had been to the Surrey Theatre, to seek for a Mr. Ricardo—I got no intelligence of Ricardo there—I have been to Surrey Street, Strand, there is no No. 41, nothing like so high a number.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> When you asked for Mr. Ricardo, at the Surrey Theatre, were you not told it was Professor Risley?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I learnt that—I was not told so, but I imagined from what I heard there that it was Mr. Risley—I think I had previously heard the name of Risley, and I learnt his address at the Surrey Theatre—they might have said it was Mr. Risley I wanted—when I found him at Nottingham he was with his troupe at the theatre—I know that the Japanese troupe had been at the Surrey Theatre—I did not know him before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-86" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-86" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-86" type="surname" value="MASON"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-86" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD MASON</persName> </hi>. I am a labouring man, and live at 6, Star Lane, Fulham—the girl Maria is my daughter—I leave the management of my house hold to my wife while I am at work.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that there was no evidence of any attempt to take the child out of the possession of her parents; all the cases founded upon this section</hi> (58
<hi rend="italic">th sec. of</hi> 24
<hi rend="italic">&</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">Vic., c.</hi> 100)
<hi rend="italic">pointed to a taking away of the girl from the parents' house, or from their custody and control, and not to a mere casual encounter in the street. See</hi> "Reg
<hi rend="italic">v.</hi> Hibberd,"
<hi rend="italic">Law Reports,</hi> 1869,
<hi rend="italic">Sessions Cases, page</hi> 56,
<hi rend="italic">of Parts</hi> 1
<hi rend="italic">and</hi> 2;
<hi rend="italic">also</hi> "Reg
<hi rend="italic">v.</hi> Green and Bates" 3
<hi rend="italic">rd foster and Finlaison, p.</hi> 274.)
<hi rend="italic">As to the Count charging a common assault, that involved a question of fact, which of course the Jury would have to decide.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called the attention of the Court to the cases of "</hi> Reg
<hi rend="italic">v.</hi> Bailey,"
<hi rend="italic">and</hi> "Reg
<hi rend="italic">v.</hi> Olifier,"
<hi rend="italic">Sessions Paper, vol.</hi> lxiv.,
<hi rend="italic">p.</hi> 181,
<hi rend="italic">and contended that there were circumstances in the case (such as the age of the child) from which the Jury might have good reason to suppose that he knew he was interfering with a child intended to be the subject of protection under the statute.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON
<lb/>SERJEANT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered there was abundant evidence to lead the Jury to believe (if they gave credit to the evidence) that the defendant must have thought the girl was in the possession of her parents, but as the decisions appeared conflicting he should reserve the question if it became necessary.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Evidence for the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-87" type="surname" value="NUTT"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-87" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN NUTT</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Thomas Nutt, and live at 9, Mount Row, Mount Street, Grosvenor Square—Maria Ann Mason is my sister—on Monday, 16th August, she was at my house at 12.45—she was in the habit of coming from Fulham to my house from time to time—she generally came from West Brompton to Baker Street by the Underground Railway—she did not come to me on the Tuesday, the 17th—I have a sister living in Berwick Street—I was always given to understand that she was living there with Mr. Roberts—I knew her in Dean Street, and in Greek Street—she was living in Greek Street with a young man named Ernest—I saw my sister Maria on the 12th of this month, and I asked her why she stated that I took her to Leicester Square, as I did not—she said she would not</p>
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<p>have said so only Mrs. Checkley told her to say so—she told me that Mr. Risley slightly took hold of her jacket-sleeve, but he did not hurt her—that he gave her two apples, and Mrs. Checkley had them and gave half to her daughter, and half to her daughter's two children—she said that she did not think Mr. Risley meant any harm towards her—my sister Sarah and her husband were present at this conversation—she said Mrs. Checkley said she must go to the Police Court, and say that her sister, Mrs. Nutt, had taken her to Leicester Square, but she must not say her sister Caroline had taken her there—she did not say anything about being afraid of him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where did you first hear that your little sister had been to Mr. Knox?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> One of my sisters came to me one Saturday, I could not say the day of the month, it was in August, and she told me about it—I think that was about a fortnight afterwards; after Mr. Risley was in custody—I had had no communication with my sister before that, I did not see her till the 12th of this month—I heard that she had been examined at the Police Court, and I borrowed a newspaper to se if it was true, and I saw it in the newspaper; that was the first I saw of it—I had not seen any letter in the newspaper—I had not seen anything of my mother—I have only been confined three weeks—I had no conversation with my little sister before the last Session—I did not know that an application was to be made to postpone the trial, in order to get me to attend; I was here in the other Court, last Session—I know there was a medical certificate—I was subpoenaed to come here last Session—I had had no conversation with my sister at that time, and had not told Mr. Poncione anything—up to the 12th of this month, I had had no conversation with my sister—I had no idea why I was here last Session, or that the trial was to be postponed on account of my confinement—I Was afraid of my confine
<lb/>ment coming on—I have seen my sister Caroline outside to-day, I believe she has had a subpoena for Mr. Risley, the same as me—we are not the best of friends—my little sister had been to me on the Monday, about a pledge ticket—I knew she was to meet my other sister on the Tuesday, to say that I would not send the pledge ticket—I have not been talking with Caroline about the matter—I did when she came to me on the Saturday, that was when I first heard of my little sister being followed by Mr. Risley—before I was subpoenaed to come here in September, I had not seen any legal gentlemen about the matter; I did not know why they wanted me—I suppose it is three years ago since I heard of Mr. Ernest—I knew of my sister living with him—I never had any proof that they were married—I can't say that she lived with him as his wife—it is not very long ago that I knew Roberts, I should think six or eight months—he does not live with my sister—she does not do anything; she was a prostitute, but she is not now.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was your husband present on 12th October, when Maria came?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—he came in to his tea while she was there—she came with my other sister, and waited outside, and my sister fetched her in—last September I was about being confined—the doctor thought my attendance here might bring on a miscarriage—he told me so—it was with my consent the certificate was used—I came here then because I thought I should like it all over first—this letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is my husband's writing, I knew of his writing it to Mr. Poncione.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">A number of witnesses deposed to the defendants good character, and some of them to a habit of taking hold of the button or sleeve while talking to them.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, October</hi> 26
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1869.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">was again indicted</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">for feloniously uttering counterfeit coin,</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">the facts being the same as in the case tried yesterday.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">stated that the facts were the same, plus the fact of the prisoner's former</hi> conviction
<hi rend="italic">being charged in this indictment, and put in a replication of</hi> non tell record
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered that judgment must be given for the prisoner, who was then Discharged.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY KING</hi> (22)</persName>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WARNER SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-91" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA REBBECK</persName> </hi>. My father keeps the Prince of Wales, St. George's Road, Primrose Hill—on 9th October, about 12.30, I served King with a glass of ale—he gave me a bad sixpence—I told him it was bad, and he pulled out a florin, a shilling, and a penny, and said, "These are not bad"—he said that he did not know the sixpence was bad—he took it of a
<hi rend="italic">'bus</hi> conductor the night before—my mother gave it to the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-92" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FULLER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman S</hi> 330). I took King, and saw the sixpence (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I found on him at the station a florin, a shilling, and a penny—he said that he took the sixpence of an omnibus conductor the night before—I took him before a Magistrate—he was remanded till the 14th, and then discharged.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was all the money you found on him good?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—he went gently to the station—I searched to find out something about him; but he gave me a false address.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-93" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE COLLINS</persName> </hi>. I keep the Stag, Fulham Road—on Friday, 15th October, I saw Johnstone served with a half-pint of beer—he gave the fair
<lb/>maid a bad sixpence, which she handed to me, and I gave him in custody, with the sixpence.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you ever seen him before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—he said that he got the sixpence from an omnibus conductor.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-94" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-94" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-94" type="surname" value="HAYTER"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-94" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH HAYTER</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the Stag—I served Johnstone with a half-pint of beer, on 14th October—two constables were in the house—he gave me a bad sixpence—I asked him where he got it—he said that he took it of an omnibus conductor the night before—I gave it to Mr. Collins—the prisoner was searched, and allowed to go, and Watts went out.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you sure it was Watts who went out?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was Clough who went out; he was out five or ten minutes.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-95" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD CLOUGH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Officer</hi>). On 14th October I was at the Stag, with Watts, in plain clothes—I heard Johnstone call for some beer—he tendered sixpence, and the barmaid told him it was bad—he said that he got it from an omnibus conductor the night previous—I went to the door with Watts, and saw King standing about twenty yards off, looking towards the public-house—when he saw me he turned round, and went round the enclosure, by the railings—I crossed the road after him—he was then about fifteen yards from the spot when I first saw him, and was in a stooping position, with a small bit of paper in his hand—I told him I was a constable, and I suspected he was concerned with the man who passed a bad sixpence</p>
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<p>in the public-house—he said, "You have made a mistake; but I will go with you"—he said that he never saw Johnstone before—he pulled some coppers out of his pocket—I afterwards went to the comer where I saw him standing, but could not find anything, and returned—both prisoners were allowed to go—I saw Watts pull up a small bag, inside this railings, where King had stooped—we examined it; it contained ten six-pences, wrapped in paper, with paper between each—about an hour and A half afterwards I saw the prisoners together, at Albert Gate, going towards Hyde Park Corner, and took them in custody—King said, "I told you before, I did not know him; he overtook me on the road, and we were going home together"—I found on King 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was there any difficulty in seeing the bag?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Any one passing would not have noticed it—I had been to the corner of Pelham Crescent, but found nothing.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You only searched where you saw King standing, not there you saw him stooping?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I afterwards went to where he was stooping, and found the bag.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-96" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WATTS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Detective Officer</hi>). I was at the Stag, in plain clothes, and saw the sixpence, but did not hear the conversation—when Clough went out, I went and stood outside the door—we were in a different com
<lb/>partment to Johnstone—I searched Johnstone, at his request, and tend a good shilling, and about 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers—I saw two bright marks on the head line of the shilling, as if it had been recently punched; one was under the head—I returned it to Johnstone, and they were allowed to go—I went out with Clough, ten minutes afterwards, and found between the railings, this big, containing this piece of rag and two packets, one containing seven sixpences, and another three sixpences, folded between papers—I was with Clough when he saw the prisoner again, they were walking together—I took Johnstone, searched him at the station, and found 9 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers—I saw Clough search King, and take one shilling from his pocket, I said, "That is the shilling I took from Johnstone in the public-house"—King said in the public-house, that he never saw Johnstone before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-97" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These twelve sixpences are bad—the second one produced is from the same mould as four of the tea found—the one uttered on the 15th is from the same mould as four of those wrapped up.</p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-905-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES SMITH</hi> (34)</persName> was indicted
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-99" type="given" value="DAVID"/>DAVID MACKINTOSH</persName> </hi>. I am a baker, of 11, Birkbeck Road, Rise—some time at the end of August, I saw my daughter serve the prisoner with a half-quartern loaf, which came to 3 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., be put down a florin; my daughter took it, handed it to me, and I found it was bad, and told the prisoner if he wanted it back be must call next day—he said that it was a had job, it was all he had got—he never called for the florin—I gave it to the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I was never in your shop in my life.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-100" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-100" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED ROGERS</persName> </hi>. I am barman at the Enterprise, Bleuheim Road—on 19th September I served the prisoner with a pint of beer, which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a bad shilling—he said he did not know it was bad, and brought out some half-pence from his pocket, and a bad florin with them—I picked it up, and he attempted to pick it up at the same time—I said,</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I never moved from the counter.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<lb/>ham to day, and had a few shillings given to me, and this is how it has turned out"—I gave the coins to the constable.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi> 63). I took the prisoner on 19th September, and received this shilling and florin from Mr. Drury—on the way to the station he said, "This is very hard, I walked all the way from Chatham, I had a shilling or two given me on the road, and it has turned out like this"—he afterwards said, "How do you think it will go with me, do you think the landlord will come down; there are two pieces, you know; I had no more idea that they were bad than I have that that road is bad"—he said at the station, "Coming out of Chatham I changed a sovereign"—I received this bad florin from Mr. Mackintosh—I found 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers, on the prisoner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-103" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. The shilling and these two florins are bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate.</hi> I did not know it was bad, or I should not have done it, especially the second time.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MOODY</hi>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-105" type="given" value="HELEN"/>HELEN MARIS</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the Poulterer's Arms, Cheapside—on 8th October about 2 o'clock, the prisoner came in for a glass of ale and gave me a bad shilling—(I recognized him as having been there about three weeks before, when he passed a bad shilling for a glass of ale)—I called my mistress, handed her the shilling, and said, "This man gave me a bad shil
<lb/>ling before"—I then said to the prisoner, "You were here before and gave me a bad shilling, and this is a bad shilling"—he said, "Why did not you come after me if I gave you a bad shilling before"—I broke the shilling and gave one piece to Mr. Edmund, and the other piece fell on the floor—I found that the first shilling was bad, about five minutes after the prisoner had gone, and put it at the back of the till, where there were three shilling"—my master went there shortly after, and said, "Here is a bad shilling"—he put it by itself at the back of the till, and it was afterwards handed to the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you ever seen the prisoner before these two times?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—he remained at the bar while I went into the lobby to speak to my master—there are two tills, and two bowls for silver in each, but I have one side of the bar to myself—Mr. Evans had cleared my till about five minutes before—I was then very busy indeed—the till was not locked—any person who happens to be serving there can go to it—the shilling was put at the back of the till the policeman had it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. EVANS</hi>. I am proprietor of the Poulterer's Arms—I found a bad shilling in one of the bowls, which I had recently cleared out, and left there shillings there on one side and three sixpences on the other, all good—I went to the bad again shortly afterwards and found four shillings, one of which was bad—I put it at the back of the till, but did not mark it—it remained there till the prisoner came again—no one but the barmaid and</p>
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<p>myself had access to the till—on 8th October the barmaid showed me a por
<lb/>tion of a bad shilling—I went into the bar and found the prisoner then—I said, "The barmaid tells me you have been here before" and showed him the piece of the bad shilling—I forget what he said—I gave him in charge, with the pieces of the shilling, and took the first shilling to the station.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was there anything particular to call your attention to the time you cleared the till?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—it might have been 1.45, and it might have been 2.20—I frequently clear it two or three times in an hour, and always leave three shillings there for-change—there are two bars and two tills—no one serves that bar but Miss Maria and myself at that time of day—another barmaid serves on the other side—she might come round to the other till if she was pressed for chance, but not at that time of day.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 666). On 8th October I was called and received a piece of a bad shilling from Miss Maris, who said that the defendant was there three weeks before and, gave her a bad shilling—I searched him at the station, and found two shilling, three sixpences, two fourpenny pieces and 7 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., all good—he gave his address, 23, West Street, Clapham—I could not find such a street.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Clapham is a tolerably large place, is it not?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—a good many names of streets have been changed lately—I went at night—I found on him a gold chain and locket, and a silver watch—I heard him ask for his change.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been before convicted of a like offence in the name of
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-111" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN BENTLEY</persName> </hi>. I keep the Fox Tavern—on 7th October the prisoners came in together—Morris called for a half-quartern of gin and doves, and gave me a shilling—they drank it between them, and I gave her change—I then saw that the shilling was bent, and when turned round to tell them so they were gone—I broke the shilling and threw it away—it was very soft—on 9th October they came again—I gave instruc
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers—they both drank of it, and when I went to the end of the bar Morris pushed the measure to me, and asked me to serve her again—she pushed a shilling towards me—I tried it—found it was bad, and gave them in charge, with the shilling.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-112" type="given" value="GILES"/>GILES RENDALL</persName> </hi>. I am barman to Mrs. Bentley—on Saturday, 9th October, the prisoners came there—(I had seen a bad shilling the day before, but was not there when it was passed)—I served them with a half-quartern of gin and peppermint—Howes asked for it, and paid in coppers—I afterwards saw Mrs. Bentley serve them—Morris gave her a shilling, which she bent and gave to me—I sent for a constable—and told them they had also been there on Thursday—Howes said to Morris, "You must be a fool to try it on."</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 133). I took the prisoners, and received this Billing—they said that they were not aware it was bad—I also charged</p>
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<p>them with uttering a bad shilling on the Thursday previous—they denied being there—they were searched, and on Morris was found a half-crown, shillings, and four halfpence, good money—and on Howes a florin, a shilling, two sixpences, and a halfpenny, good.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-114" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This shilling is bad.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Howes' Statement before the Magistrate.</hi> "Last Thursday, when this person says I was at his house, I was at work in the City; I did not leave till 8."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Morris' Defence.</hi> I can bring witnesses to prove that I was not there on Thursday, I was washing all day at home. Last Monday fortnight she said that Howes gave her the shilling, and now she says that I gave it to her."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Howes' Defence.</hi> What I called for I paid for with halfpence. I was at work on the Thursday, and was stopped two shillings for spoiling my work. I did not leave till 9 at night."</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-116" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-116" type="given" value="ERNEST"/>ERNEST DELAUNAY</persName> </hi>. I am waiter at a confectioner's shop in the Com
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<p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 312). On 9th October I was on duty, and heard a cry of, "Stop him!"—I stopped the prisoner and said, "What are you running for?"—he said, "Nothing," and threw something away over my shoulder—I turned round and saw a boy pick up this shilling (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) which he handed to me—I took the prisoner back to the shop, and received another shilling—I searched him at the station and found a good sixpence on him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-118" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This is a bad coin.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MOODY</hi>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman C</hi> 217). On 14th September I was in Glass-house Street, in plain clothes, and saw the prisoners with a man named Wright—they all went into Warwick Street—Mortlock and Wright went into the Angel and Crown, and Wilson passed over to the opposite side, where she could see the door—the men remained five or ten minutes, and then came out and went through Leicester Square to Regent Street—Wilson joined them there, and I saw Wright pass something into her hand—I followed them into Jermyn Street, where Mortlock went into the Two Brewers, and Wright and Wilson passed on to the corner of Eagle Place—they stood there about a minute together, and Wright came back to the Two Brewers, and met Mortlock coming out—Mortlock passed on to the Three Crowns, Wells Street, and went in—the other man came out of the</p>
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<p>Two Brewers, and joined Wilson, and they went on together—they separated at the corner of a street, and the other man went to St. Alban's Place—Wright came out of the Two Brewers and joined wilson, and they went together to the corner of Carlton Street, where they separated—I saw Wright come out of the White Lion, and made a communication to the landlord, who gave me this bad sixpence—I followed Wright into Waterloo Place—he joined the prisoners, and they walked together to the corner of Pall Mall, where they met
<hi rend="italic">Policeman C R</hi> 7—I stopped them, and Wright asked, "What for?—I said, "For uttering"—he said, "Not me, I do not do such things"—I took them to the station, and took two shillings and three halfpence from Wilson's hand, and this basket containing the money, wrapped in tissue paper, with paper between each—I said, "I believe this is had"—the prisoner said nothing, but Wright said that he did not know he was in company with people who had got bad money—I found in Wilson's basket a good half-crown, three threepenny-pieces, and 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, and on Wright a half-crown, a sixpence, and 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in coppers, and on Mortlock one sixpence.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did not Mortlock say, "I never saw then people before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> That was when he was charged—he might have said it before that—my deposition was read over to me, and I signed it—I watched them sometimes from the other side of the street, and sometimes I was behind them—I had seen Mortlock before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TURNER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> In company with the same people.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MORTLOCK</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Wilson was further charged with having been convicted of a like offence.</hi> </p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-124" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM POPLE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 283). I produce a certificate (
<hi rend="italic">Read. "Central Criminal Court,
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-125" type="given" value="ANN"/>Ann Wilson</persName> convicted of uttering, August,</hi> 1967—
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Wilson.</hi> It was not me.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I am certain you are the woman.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Protection.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. W. S. LEIGH</hi>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and a purse—an old pair of shoes was left behind, which I took to the station—I saw the prisoner and several others as I left that morning.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> You examined the boots for ten minutes, and said they was not yours, and the next time you looked at them you said you could swear to them.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> The first time I looked at them my eyes were full of flour, and I could not see them—I saw them better the second time, became I had been away from work two or three hours.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 51). I gave these keys to Constable Sparkes.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 661). I received information on 17th September, and on the 30th September I saw the prisoner at Guildhall justice-room—he was wearing these boots which the prosecutor identifier three keys were given to me, with one of which I opened the door of the first floor front room at 18, Gar lick Hill—I received a pair of boots from the prosecutor, which the prisoner is wearing now—the prisoner was not present when the boots found in his room were given up.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I understood you were not satisfied with the second identifica
<lb/>tion of the boots, and you ordered the parties to change them?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yet.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 27
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>,"1869.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TURNER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<p>my mother—on the following Sunday, the 12th, the prisoner came to my mother's house, about 9 o'clock in the morning—he asked my mother if she would allow me to go home and live with him again—she said not with her consent—he then asked me to go home with him—I said no, because he would never behave any kinder to me than he had done—he came, and stood alongside of me, he did not speak to me—he stood alongside of me some few minutes, and he
<hi rend="italic">drawed</hi> a pocket-knife out from his right coat pocket, and struck me in the collar bone; I was giving the baby the breast it the time, and my frock was not fastened up—I ran out and called my mother, and told her he had stuck me with a knife—the wound is quite well now—I feel a pain if I press on the bone.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> What she says is false, I have been living with her three years, and she has had three children by me—I allowed her 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week, and found her in what was necessary—her mother and sister erected her away from home, and left me in dirt and filth, and without food—the altered a little for about a month, and then they led her away again—I could not stand it any longer, and I got a drop of drink—I went to bar at her mother's, and asked her to come back and be comfortable again—she would not, and I said I would go and get a ship and go to sea—she spat in my face, and said, "Take that you—swine"—I drew out my knife, and said I would cut my throat, and she kept saying, "Do it, do it," daring me for three or four minutes—she caught hold of my wrist, like that, and cut herself—she then said, "Do it now, you—swine; I have you now, and you shall die," and she struck me in the chest, and here are the marks.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I did not strike him; after he had stabbed me he drew the knife across his own throat, but no blood came—I did not handle the knife or handle him at all—I did not spit in his face—there was only our two selves present; my mother was passing from the kitchen at the time—I bled, and the doctor dressed my wound that dressed his.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TURNER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When the prisoner struck you were you standing of sitting?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Sitting on the chair by the side of the fire-place, with the baby on my knee, giving it the breast—he was solid and sober at the time; he had joined the pledge on the Friday night before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-143" type="given" value="HARRIET"/>HARRIET COLLIER</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of James Collier, of 44, Cornwall Street, and am sister to the prosecutrix—the prisoner came therein Sunday morning, 12th September, about 9 o'clock, just as we were sitting down to breakfast—I heard him ask my mother if she would allow my sister to go home, and he would behave better to her—mother said, never with her consent, in regard of his not giving her sufficient to eat—he asked my sister whether she was of the same opinion as my mother—she said yes, for she did not think he would ever behave any better—he said, "Try me once more"—I had his child in my arms, and put it down against the door, and he took it up and kissed it, and nursed it several moments—I called to my mother, and told her not to leave the two together, for he looked rather wild—I was going up the stairs, and I heard my sister say, "Oh!"—I came down, and mother said, "He has struck her with a knife"—my sister was then making her way to the front door, and he was coming towards her again, with the knife open in his hand, when I shut him in the kitchen, and kept him there—my sister was bleeding—I held the door and called to my husband to come down, but he would not, and I opened the kitchen door again, the prisoner
<hi rend="italic">drawed</hi> down hw neck handkerchief, and</p>
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<p>out his neck across, and I went and fetched a policeman—I did not see my sister strike or stab the prisoner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> You were not in the place at all.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I was, and never left the door till you were gone—it is not true that your home is broken up—your landlady holds the home now for 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I am married—I have my marriage lines here (
<hi rend="italic">producing them.</hi>)</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-144" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-144" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-144" type="surname" value="CHALMERS"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-144" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH CHALMERS</persName> </hi>. I am the prosecutrix's mother, and live at 44, Corn
<lb/>wall Street—I was present when the prisoner came there, on 12th September—he asked me if I would allow my daughter to go home again—I said, "No"—he said, "For why"—I said, "to be half starved, and kept naked"—he asked my daughter if she was of the same mind—she said yes, she would stop at home with me—as I was going backwards and forwards from the kitchen to the cupboard, I heard my daughter call out, "Oh, mother, he has got a knife—and as she ran to the door I pushed her out—she was bleeding—I did not see the knife.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-145" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-145" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-145" type="surname" value="TATHAM"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-145" type="given" value="RUDOLPH"/>RUDOLPH TATHAM</persName> </hi>. I am a surgeon, at 273, Cable Street—about 10 o'clock on the morning of 12th September I was called to 44, Cornwall Street, and saw both prosecutrix and prisoner—he had two wounds in the middle of his throat—one was superficial, injuring the skin only—the other was deeper and of longer extent, and was bleeding profusely, that was perhaps half an inch deep—I stopped the hemorrhage—I had him removed to the hospital—I did not notice any wound on his chest at that time—he did not complain of any—I subsequently examined his chest and found three marks—I could not give an opinion whether they were self inflicted or not—the prosecutrix had received a stab immediately over the collar bone—I should think the blow would have come strongly on the bone, because the covering of the bone was divided—this knife (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) would came such a wound—when I first saw the knife it was lying open on the table—the plaintiff had possession of it—the prosecutrix's wound has healed favorably—it might have been serious—there is always danger where the covering of the bone is injured—I should not call it a dangerous wound—it was of very slight extent—it was in a part that is dangerous—if it had misted the collar bone it would have been a very serious matter—it is just possible it might have been caused in a struggle—I should infer, however, that it had been done with some force.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-146" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-146" type="surname" value="LYE"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-146" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM LYE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 325). I was called to this house and found the prisoner bleeding from a wound in his throat—I found this knife there, it was open—I saw the prosecutrix—there was some blood running down her dress from her right breast—the prisoner said something about the mother would not forgive him—I can't say exactly what it was—there was no charge made at that time—I sent for a stretcher, and had him taken to the hospital—after I came back from the hospital the prosecutrix made the charge against him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-147" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-147" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-147" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MORRIS</persName> </hi>. I lived for a year and five months in the adjoining room to the prisoner and prosecutrix—he behaved to her like an upright, hard-working chap; and not cruelly—it was all her fault, because he had the fever, and was not able to work.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MRS. MORRIS</hi>. I lived in the same house with them for a year and five months—and always found him an honourable young man—she kept him and the children very dirty—she left him on 9th September, because be Lad the fever—it was all her fault.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner, in his defence, repeated hit previous statement, and added that he was almost out of his senses at the time, from excitement and want of food.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">of unlawfully wounding</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-917-18691025 t18691025-917-punishment-24"/>Nine Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 27
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1869.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Lush.</hi> </p>
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<p>918.
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18691025-918-offence-1 t18691025-name-149"/>John Campbell</persName>, a soldier, who had served in the military ser
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES LAKE</hi> (34)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18691025-918-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/>, inciting and assisting the said William Bird in the felony.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. FORSYTH</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-152" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-152" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-152" type="given" value="THOMAS ALLEN"/>THOMAS ALLEN BARRETT</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to the solicitor of the India Office—on the 23rd October I served notices on both the prisoners to produce certain papers.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-153" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-153" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-153" type="surname" value="WALPOLE"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-153" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WALPOLE</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the India Office—I produce a royal warrant, dated 22nd September, 1866—it vests the Banda and Kirwee prize money in the Secretary of State for India in Council, for the time being—(
<hi rend="italic">produced and read</hi>)—the warrant describes the different shares—we have a price roll made up, which we use when paying the soldiers their share of the prize money—the prisoner Lake has been a soldier, and was entitled to one share of it—he was engaged in India, under Major-General Whitlock—he received his share, partly in December, and the remainder in February last—and he filled up the usual form—in the prise roll there is the name of John Campbell, a soldier, who was entitled to &c. 75, or one share of the money, in consequence of haring been engaged at Banda and Kirwee, under Major-General Whitlock—on the 24th July I received at the India Office a letter, signed, "T. Miller," and to the best of my belief it is in the handwriting of Luke—I have seen him sign his name—(
<hi rend="italic">litter read</hi>)—it asked for payment of Campbell's share, and was addressed from No. 6, Elisabeth Place, Grundy Street, Poplar—an answer was returned, the draft copy of which I produce (
<hi rend="italic">read</hi>)—it stated that the money could only be paid to Campbell personally, or by letter—on the 30th July a letter was received, dated the day previously, purporting to come from John Campbell, and I believe the signature to be in the handwriting of Lake (
<hi rend="italic">letter read</hi>)—I pro
<lb/>duce another letter dated 9th August, purporting, also, to come from Gamp
<lb/>bell, which I likewise believe to be in the handwriting of the same prisoner (
<hi rend="italic">letter read</hi>)—the writer requested that a printed form might be sent to a Mrs. Collins, in Ellerthorpe Street, as the first one had been lest—on the 6th September another letter, enclosing a form, and signed John Campbell, was received—the questions in the form were filled up by the applicants—they showed that he had served in the 3rd Madras European regiment, that he enlisted in London, that he sailed from this country on board the
<hi rend="italic">Salamanes,</hi> that he was discharged at the time of the proclamation, and that he came home again in the
<hi rend="italic">Tasmanian</hi>—there was also sent a certificate of identity, signed by the Rev. T. W. Noel, the minister of Poplar—for certain reasons I sent a letter to the address given, directing John Campbell to apply personally for the money—on the 23rd September the prisoner Bird came to the office, and handed me the letter and form that had been sent—I asked him if he was John Campbell, and he said that he was—I then put several questions to him, to see if he could identify himself—I asked him where he was barn,</p>
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<p>where be enlisted, in what ship he went out to India, when he was dis
<lb/>charged, and in what ship he came home, all of which were correctly answered except the last one—he said that he came home in the
<hi rend="italic">Great Tasmanian</hi> and landed at Portsmouth—I had previously received information that John Campbell came home in the
<hi rend="italic">Conflict,</hi> and in consequence of this I communicated with the Assistant Military Secretary, and a police-constable was sent for—he was then asked where he got the letter from, and be re
<lb/>plied from a man whom he had met in the park, who had told him to come into the office, present the form, and ask for the prize money, and he would get it—he also said that he was to sign a receipt for the money—the con
<lb/>stable went in search of Lake, and he was brought into the office—Bird was then asked if he was the man who had given him the form, and he replied that he was—Lake was then interrogated as to why he had attempted to get the money which was not his own, when he said that he was starving and wanted it—Bird said he thought the man who gave him the letter was Campbell, and that having been authorized by him to receive the money, he could do so, he was aware he should have to sign a receipt, and he thought he might use Campbell's name as he had his authority—the letter signed "T. Miller" was shown to Bird, and when asked if it was his handwriting, he hesitated a little, and said he thought that it was—some pieces of paper taken by the policeman from Bird I believe to be in the handwriting of Lake—on one of those the words "John Campbell" are written three times, and on another is the regimental number, 999—since Lake has been in custody, a letter has been sent by him to the Military Secretary (
<hi rend="italic">pro
<lb/>duced and read</hi>), asserting that he had purchased Campbell's share of the prize-money for 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Bird.</hi> Did I say to you distinctly that I was John Campbell?
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> Yes, you did.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-154" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-154" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-154" type="surname" value="KING"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-154" type="given" value="BENJAMIN"/>BENJAMIN KING</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman A</hi> 130). I was on duty at the India Office on the 21st September, and was called in to take Bird into custody—I asked him whether he had any claims upon the East India Company for prize-money, and he said "No"—I then inquired from whom he had the paper that he had sent in, and he said from a man who was outside in the park—in St. James's Park I apprehended Lake—I searched Bird, and found two pieces of paper in his possession, and upon Lake were discovered a great number of letters—I did not know Lake, but had seen him about an hour previously, when he asked me the way to the Pension-office, and I directed him to it—he was alone then, and had a large handkerchief round his head and face.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-155" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-155" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-155" type="surname" value="DISNEY"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-155" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN DISNEY</persName> </hi>. I am a messenger at the India Office—on Tuesday, the 21st September, I saw Lake there—I saw him come up the stops from the street, about 2.30 or 2.45—he appeared to be in a hurry, and asked me if a man named Campbell was about to receive prize-money—I told him then was a man inside—Mr. Walpole had previously asked me to look out Campbell's discharge—I asked Lake what claim he had upon Campbell, whether he was a lodging-house keeper, or whether Campbell owed him any money—he said he had only known Campbell for a few days—he then left the office in a hurried and excited manner—he had a comforter round his neck and face, which was enveloped twice round under his chin and over his head—he was alone at the time—Bird was in the office when I asked him if he had any claim upon Campbell—he said nothing particular—I saw him brought back by a constable—I heard him make a statement as to why he</p>
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<p>had sent Bird in—Mr. Thom, the Assistant Secretary, came down and ques
<lb/>tioned them, and both men said they were starving.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-156" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-156" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-156" type="surname" value="COLLINS"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-156" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN COLLINS</persName> </hi>. I live at 23, Ellerthorpe Street, Poplar—I have resided there twelve years—I know Mrs. Shepherd, who lived in Elisabeth Place in September last—some time back I received a letter purporting to come from her, and in consequence of that I received some letters addressed to John Campbell—I knew the prisoner Lake—he called upon me two or three times after Mrs. Shepherd wrote the letter, and asked me whether, if any letters came in the name of John Campbell, I would keep them till he called for them—he did not say where he lived, or why I was to take in the letters for him—letters came addressed, "On Her Majesty's Service," from the India Office, and I gave them to him when he called—he said that he was the person about whom Mrs. Shepherd had written—on one occasion he wrote the letter produced, and after that I received one from the India Office, which I gave him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you know Bird?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I never saw him before I was at the Bow Street Police Court.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18691025-name-157" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18691025-name-157" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-157" type="surname" value="HOOD"/>
<interp inst="t18691025-name-157" type="given" value="ANTHONY"/>ANTHONY HOOD</persName> </hi>. I am a sergeant in the 108th regiment, stationed at Chatham—in the year 1856 I was in the service of the East India Company, in the 3rd Madras European regiment—in September of that year the regiment left England for India—we sailed in the
<hi rend="italic">Salamanca</hi>—a man named John Campbell was a private in the regiment, and sailed in the same ship with me—we served under Sir George Whitlock, and were present at the capture of the booty at Kirwee—in 1859 he claimed his discharge, and he and I came home again in the ship
<hi rend="italic">Conflict</hi>—we disembarked at Gravesend, and I have not seen him since—he was a man about 5ft. 6 1/2 in., and of sandy com
<lb/>plexion—he was a Scotchman—I have received my share of the prize-money, 75
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—Campbell had a right to the same sum—I know Lake, who was in the same regiment, and was likewise present at the capture of Kirwee—he did not come home with us—the last place at which I saw him was Tinsoola, in India—I have no knowledge of Bird—I saw Campbell the last time in March, 1866, at Gravesend, where we parted.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner Lake's statement before the Magistrate was that in January last, having met John Campbell in Liverpool, he having recently come from America, he purchased his share of the prise money for</hi> 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.;
<hi rend="italic">but paid</hi> 39
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.,
<hi rend="italic">altogether. Campbell was going to Australia, and gave him a receipt in the name of T. Miller, and he authorised him (the prisoner) to was his name, if he did not succeed in getting the money through the receipt.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Bird's Defence.</hi> Lake said that his name was John Campbell; and he told me that if I would go and sign a receipt, I should get the prize money that he was entitled to. I sat down on a seat in the park, and conversed with him. He handed me a letter of the 16th September, from the Military Secretary, and asked me if I would go in and receive it. He said that before his God there was nothing wrong in it. I thought I could go in, sign his name, and get the money, without doing anything wrong. I did go in, and hand in his letter, and ask for John Campbell's share of the prize money. I did not say that I was John Campbell. Mr. Walpole was not in the office then; another gentleman came in first. I did not answer Mr. G. Walpole, but the other gentleman. I did not, during the whole time I was in the office, say that I was John Campbell. If I have done wrong, it was unintentionally.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Lake's Defence.</hi> I am a total stranger in England, having been born and brought up in India. I came to this country, where I had a little prize money due to me for my service in India, having served through the late mutiny. By not obtaining employment, I was brought to a state of abject poverty, destitution, and starvation. I found all attempts to get to India of no avail. I applied repeatedly to the authorities of the India office, for a passage back, by working for it, but my request was declined, and I thought this was hard treatment; and seeing that all my friends were there, I felt a yearning desire to get back to them. In the meantime I took the necessary measures to lay my case before the Government; but my complaint was ignored and discharged, on the ground of improbability. If inquiries were made into my case, I am convinced that British law and government could not tolerate such proceedings. I was subjected to very serious injuries, when coming from India, by the neglect of the owners of the ship, and I received no satisfaction. In January last I purchased John Campbell's share of the price money for 39
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., at Liverpool, and received a receipt in the name of T. Miller. I forwarded a letter to the India Office, and it was returned, with instructions to apply personally. Unfortunately for me John Campbell has left for Australia. I throw myself upon your lordship's clemency, and upon the mercy of the Court.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">stating that represen
<lb/>tations would be made to the proper quarter in favour of Bird, with a view to a mitigation of punishment.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-161" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA SHEPHERD</persName> </hi>. On the 18th October I and other women were at work in a field on the Cold Harbour Farm, occupied by Mr. Newman—between I and 2 o'clock I saw the prisoner Holden come into the field, from a lane—we spoke to him, when he said, "Don't you women hurt yourselves"—we told him that we thought a day's work would do him good, to which he made no reply—he was close to the stacks of wheat—he went to take some potatoes from a basket, and we told him to put them down, and he did so, and passed on towards the ricks—about three minutes after we lost sight of him—I looked round, and saw a man running, without his hat—it was one of Mr. Newman's men, who was going to give an alarm—I saw that the first of the wheat ricks was in flames, and was blazing up—the wind was blowing the flames towards the other ricks—three wheat ricks were destroyed—Holden was brought back to the fire, in custody, when he said he would rather be in prison than not, walking about with nothing to eat—I never saw the other prisoner there at all.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-162" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE SHEPHERD</persName> </hi>. I was in a meadow, alongside some water, on Mr. Newman's farm, on the afternoon of the 8th October, and about 200 yards from the ricks—I saw the prisoner Holden run across the meadow, and make towards the water, in a direction away from the ricks—he passed on to the side of the water, and after running a little further he slipped in—I did not see him again till the policeman brought him back to the ricks—when the man was by the side of the water, I turned towards the ricks, and saw they were in a blaze—I did not see Whitehead at all that day.</p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-163" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS KING</persName> </hi>. I was ploughing one of Mr. Newman's fields on the 8th October, about 130 yards from the ricks—I saw Holden ran about forty or fifty yards, then stop and look round—I then saw that the ricks were on fire—I did not we Holden go to the ricks—no one could run away from the ricks without my seeing him—I had a full view of the ricks when in flames—Holden was running away in the direction in which the last witness was—I never saw the prisoner Whitehead.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman X</hi> 214). On the 8th October I saw the prisoner Holden at Southwell, about two miles from the ricks—I tad traced him there, from information I had received—it was about 2 o'clock when I apprehended him—his clothes were very wet, at if he had been in the water up to his neck—I told him there had been a man in the water, and asked him to go back with me to see if he knew anything about it—he said he did not know anything about the water—I took him back into Mr. Newman's field, and then told him that he had been in the water—he said he knew he had, somewhere—I then called the witnesses, to know if he was the same man they had seen run away from the ricks, and they said that he was, and that no other man had been in the field—the prisoner made no reply—I saw that his left eyebrow had been singed very recently—I told bun I should charge him with setting fire to one of the ricks, when he said, "I may as well be in prison as starving"—on searching him at the police-station, I found upon him six lucifer matches, a threepenny-piece, a knife, and a pipe.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">informed the,</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">that the prisoner</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WHITEHEAD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called at the police-station on the 11th October and insisted that he was the guilty man. He could give no-account of himself, and it was believed that his intellect was affected. He was only liberated from the gaol at Wandsworth at</hi> 9.30
<hi rend="italic">on the morning of the fire, and could not have waited the distance in the time.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">The</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">ordered sentence on</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WHITEHEAD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to be postponed till next Sessions.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<p>920.
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GRIFFITHS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman X</hi> 240). I was on duty about 4.30, near to Chilworth Street, Paddington, on the 18th September, when I was called into the Railway Tavern—the prisoner was leaning against a partition in front of the bar—the potman requested me to remove him—I asked him to go quietly, as they had refused to serve him with more drink—I told him the best thing would be for him to go home—he was drunk—he used foul language, and said he would not go out of the tavern for anybody—with a little force, and by the aid of the potman, I got him</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long have you been in the police force?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Two years—he tried to strike me with the instrument when on the ground—after I caught hold of his wrist we both fell and struggled together—I threw him several times, and I fell heavily by the side of the kerb-stone—I took him out of the bar with very little force indeed—I pushed him out backwards—I cannot say whether I saw James Whiteman there—he was before the Magistrate—I did not see him, as far as I know, near to the tavern—I had enough to notice the prisoner—the prisoner had the instrument in his hand when in the public-house—we got behind him, when we found he would not go, and eased him out—I can't say whether the potman said before the Magistrate that we carried him out—he remained quiet for some time when outside—a great many people advised him to go home—he did not say "I am an Englishman, and shall go home when I like"—he talked about being a Fenian when he rushed at me with the instrument—he was halloaing, and I thought I was justified in taking him into custody—I told him as many as a half-dozen times to go home quietly—he did not say anything about being a Fenian when we were on the ground—he made a stab at my chest—I was on the top of him when we fell—I took the instrument from him whilst we were struggling on the ground—I thought I should be killed if I did not get it from him.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-170" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HILL</persName> </hi>. I am a farrier, living at 6, Eastbourne Mews—I was at the Railway Tavern on the afternoon of Saturday, the 18th September, and saw the prisoner outside, after he had been put out by the policeman—the latter tried to persuade him to go away quietly—the prisoner was shouting and swearing, and saying he was a Fenian, and would stab any—Englishman who came near him—I saw that he had a carpenter's plough-iron in his hand at the time—part of the iron was up his sleeve; then he held it like a dagger, and tried to stab the policeman with it, but the officer seized his hand and prevented him from doing so—the instru
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<p>
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<p>who came near him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes. I believe I said so before the, Magistrate—I have had no conversation with the policeman since that time—I saw a person named Whiteman at the tavern—I did not hear the prisoner say that he was an Englishman, and should go when be liked—the word "Englishman" was not mentioned at all—I think the constable threw the man down once—there was a great deal of scuffling—the policeman was uppermost twice—on one occasion he fell on the kerb
<lb/>stone.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-171" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY BARRETT</persName> </hi>. I am potman at the Railway Tavern—I did not see anything of what took place outside the public-house—I only heard had language from the prisoner when he was in front of the bar.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was the prisoner very drunk?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, when he came into our house he was, and we refused to give him anything to drink—hehad the instrument produced in his hand when in front of the bar—hewas singing and dancsing—the policeman and I had to use a great deal of violence to get him out of the house—there were several gentlemen in the private bar who felt very much annoyed at his conduct.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was he singing?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was, but not annoying anybody—it is not true that the policeman and the potman carried him out—the policeman carried him out alone—there was no violence used by the prisoner—the policeman caught hold of him and carried him out back
<lb/>wards—he had the instrument in his hand at the time, and could have used it freely whilst being carried out—he had every chance of doing so—I heard the policeman, when they were outside the house, persuade toe man to go home—the prisoner, in reply, said, "I am an Englishman, and will go when I like"—the policeman walked away from him about ten or twelve yards—the first I saw of the struggle outside was the policeman trying to wrench the instrument out of the man's hand, as he lay on the top of him—I saw them get up, when the policeman tripped the prisoner and fell on him again—I did not see the prisoner attempt to strike the policeman as they were on the ground—I was trying to unbuckle the policeman's cape, and must have seen it if such was the case.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Supposing that the instrument had pierced the policeman, in what part of his body would it have entered?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About the region of the heart.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">There was another
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<interp inst="t18691025-920-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HUNT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18691025-name-175" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HALES</persName> </hi>. I and the prisoner were employed at the Gas Works, North Woolwich—on the evening of 13th September, when blowing a forge, I</p>
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<p>picked up a boot lace—prisoner said, "Give me that lace"—I said, "What lace?"—then he hit me and knocked me down on the ground with his fists—I got up and said, "Is this your lace? if it is you shall not have it"—I ran to the back of the forge, and then he
<hi rend="italic">chucked</hi> the tongs at me, but they didn't strike me—next he came after me and knocked me down again, and, drawing his knife, said, "I will have it now"—then he tried to cut the lace, and said, "You b—, if you don't lie still I'll knife you"—I saw the knife in his hand—he cut part of the lace, and then stabbed me in the thigh with the knife, as I lay on the ground.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> What did the prisoner first do?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He came round to where I was at work—I did not throw a rivet at him first—I think I did
<hi rend="italic">chuck</hi> something at him, like a screw—when I ran round the forge he threw the tongs at me—it was not the tongs that hurt my leg—I can swear he had a knife, but cannot identify it—it was an ordinary bread-and-cheese knife—I ran away about ten or fifteen yards—he knocked me down when he caught me—we struggled on the ground, and I kicked him when he was trying to get the lace—I do not know to whom the lace belonged—I picked it up, and he said it was his—he hit me because I would not give it up to him.</p>
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