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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>ALLEN, MAYOR.</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>EDWARD T. E. BESLEY, Esq.,</p>
<p>Law Publishers to the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty.</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, October 26th, 1868, and following days,</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON.</hi>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM FERNELEY ALLEN, LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN BARNARD BYLES</hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT LUSH</hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</hi>, Knt, Sir
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-1" type="given" value="BENJAMIN SAMUEL"/>BENJAMIN SAMUEL PHILLIPS</persName> </hi>, Knt.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">SILLS JOHN GIBBONS</hi>, Esq.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOSEPH CAUSTON</hi>, Esq., and
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN</hi>, Esq., Aldermen of the said City;
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS CHAMBERS</hi>, Esq., Q.C, M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</hi>, L.L.D., Esq., Judge of the Sheriff's Court; Her Majesty's Justices of oyer and Terminer and General Gaol delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central CriminalCourt.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM JAMES RICHMOND COTTON</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CHARLES WILLIAM COOKWORTHY HUTTON</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALEXANDER CROSLEY</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT SLEE</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Under-Sheriffs</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">ALLEN, MAYOR. TWELFTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denotes the prisoner's age</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, October</hi> 26
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1868.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ROBERT CECIL EWIN</hi> (49)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., 14
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., received by him on account of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-873-offence-1 t18681026-name-3"/>John Stead</persName> and another, his masters.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT ROBINSON</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-4" type="given" value="SAMUEL PURVIS"/>SAMUEL PURVIS RENTALL</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Messrs. Tarn & Co., of Newing
<lb/>ton Causeway—on 10th July, last year, our firm was indebted to Messrs. Stead & Co. 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—on that day I sent a crossed cheque for that amount, by post, to 4, Bread Street, their London house—I afterwards received the account receipted, and the cheque was passed through our bankers, and paid; this is it—on 10th August I sent this other cheque, for 14
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>, drawn by our firm, to the same address—it has been paid—I received by return this receipt signed by Pearman.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-5" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES HARRISON</persName> </hi>. I am warehouseman to Messrs W. & R. Morley—on 9th September, 1867, they were indebted 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to Messrs. Stead—that was paid in cash—I did not pay it—I produced the receipt at the Mansion House—it was given up there—it was signed, "Robert C. Ewin."</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-6" type="given" value="ALFRED WILLIAM"/>ALFRED WILLIAM PEARMAN</persName> </hi>. I am clerk in the service of Messrs. Stead & Co., furniture printers, carrying on business at Comersdale, near Carlisle, and at 4, Bread Street, London—the prisoner was the manager of the London part of the business; I was under his orders—I received these two cheques from Messrs. Tarn by post, the one for 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., dated 10th July, 1867, and the other for 14
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., dated 10th August—I handed them to the prisoner, and sent the receipts—the prisoner kept a cash-book; it was his duty to enter in that all sums received—neither of these sums are in it, nor the 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on 9th September—the cash-book is here—in</p>
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<p>December last, about 5th or 6th, Mr. Hodson, the manager of the Carlisle business, came to London—some accounts were made out to post; I did not send them, I held them back—I made a statement to Mr. Hodson why I did not send them—I knew as a fact that some of the accounts to which they referred had been paid; that was why I did not send them (
<hi rend="italic">The cheques were on the London and County Bank, payable to bearer, and crossed "National Bank, Camden Town branch</hi>."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did Mr. Harper, an accountant, go through these accounts?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe so; I know it—the prisoner went through them with him—I believe he was engaged in doing so for some weeks at Mr. Harper's office—the books were taken there for the purpose of being investi
<lb/>gated—I cannot tell you the result; Mr. Harper is here.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-7" type="given" value="ALFRED CUBITT"/>ALFRED CUBITT PIGOTT</persName> </hi>. I am ledger clerk at the National Bank, Cam
<lb/>den Town—the prisoner kept an account there in his own name—these two cheques were paid in to the prisoner's own private account.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long had the prisoner an account with you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I can't say; it was before I went there—I have been there a little over two years—at the time of the discovery of these matters he had no balance at the bank—I can't say whether there were any bills of exchange to his credit; I have no book that will tell me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-8" type="given" value="ROBERT GIBSON"/>ROBERT GIBSON HODSON</persName> </hi>. I am manager to Messrs. Stead & Co., of Comersdale, near Carlisle—we have a branch in London, at No. 4, Bread Street—the prisoner was the manager of that business—he has been in the service of the firm since 1864, I think—his salary was 280
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a year—the rent of the place in Bread Street was paid by the firm—the prisoner was the general manager there—he kept a cash-book—the goods were generally delivered from the place in Cumberland—it was the prisoner's duty to receive orders, and, after the goods had been delivered, to receive the money—it was the prisoner's duty to enter in the cash-book the monies received; to send out invoices, and send down statements, and collect the monies.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was the engagement, whatever it was, reduced into writing?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I am quite sure about that; I made it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How often was the prisoner to send the accounts to you in Cumberland?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Monthly—those accounts ought to be a copy of the cash book—when he received money he was first of all to pay all current expenses, and remit the balance down to the works—there were no stated times; as remittances were made, it was his duty to remit them down—he had no authority to trade on his own account,—on 5th December last, in consequence of something that occurred I came up to London—I saw the prisoner on the same day, at 4, Bread Street—the conversation at first was somewhat general, but the principal portion of it referred to accounts that were not settled—I asked him why there was so much money owing—he said, "I can't say, the statements have been regularly sent"—we agreed to send out statements to customers who owed balances—the prisoner read the accounts from the ledger, and I made them out; they were then directed, and put ready to be posted by Mr. Pearman; I found afterwards, that night, that they had not been posted—Mr. Pearman made some statement to me next morning—I saw the prisoner that morning, I told him that his accounts were wrong, that his books were falsified—he said, "He wished to speak to me privately"—we went to the Cannon Street hotel, and he there handed me this letter, it is his writing—I read it—this cash account was enclosed in it—(
<hi rend="italic">The letter was dated</hi> 6
<hi rend="italic">th December</hi>, 1867;
<hi rend="italic">it acknowledged the</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">commission of a great wrong, and expressed his desire of making good the amount he was deficient, which he stated to be about</hi> 3000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.;
<hi rend="italic">the statement annexed referred to sources from which the re-payments were to come, viz;—Mr. John Ewin</hi>, 500
<hi rend="italic">l.; Mr. Ball</hi>, 500
<hi rend="italic">l.; Mr. Benham</hi>, 800
<hi rend="italic">l.; Messrs. Tabet Freres</hi>, 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.;
<hi rend="italic">myself</hi> 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.;
<hi rend="italic">Goodman & Co.</hi>, 1000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">total</hi>, 2500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.)—When I had read that I walked out and signified to him to follow me, which he did, to 4, Bread Street—I asked him to make out a list of the various sums owing to us by different parties, all the sums he had received—he proceeded to do so—this is the list he made out (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—the amount of money stated here to be owing from country customers is 1845
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., that is from twenty or thirty different persons, and 2042
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. received from London customers, about twenty-two in number—the list contains "Tarn & Co., 189
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.," and "W. & R. Morley, 120
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>."—he also gave me a list of the promised securities—I have looked at the cash book and found that the 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. is not entered on 18th July, 1867, or on any other date, nor does the monthly list contain that sum—the 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on 16th August is not entered in the cash book or con
<lb/>tained in the monthly list, nor the 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on 9th September—the Mr. Ewin mentioned in the statement, is one of the prisoner's bondsmen, we have received that 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; the other 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is put down to Mr. Ball, he was the other surety—we have not got any money from him, we have tried to get it—we received no money from Mr. Benham, not a farthing; we tried to get it—we have not received anything from Tabet, Freras, of Beyrout, rather a denial of the debt—we have received 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from the prisoner—altogether we have received 348
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I think; I have a memorandum with me, I don't know the exact amount—I have not received any money from Goodman & Co., we have received altogether about 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I was not at all aware that the prisoner was trading on his own account, or consigning goods abroad—I saw the prisoner in the presence of Mr. Bailey, Mr. Stead's solicitor, I think about the 7th or 8th, after Mr. Stead had come up from Cumberland—the prisoner made a general statement as to the manner in which he had disposed of the money he had embezzled: he simply went over the letter that he had handed to me, and endorsed it—I think he gave Mr. Bailey some bills at that time: he was not represented by a solicitor, and Mr. Bailey advised him to get one, and he told him that whatever he might say or do would not alter the case, at all, that he was still crimi
<lb/>nally responsible—I think he replied that he knew it, or something to that effect; he did not dispute it: he said he was quite content to allow the matter to remain in Mr. Bailey's hands, he wished to do all he could to recoup Stead & Co.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> May I take it, that in realising the property of the prisoner, Mr. Bailey was the person who was employed by your firm to do it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was—there was no agreement by our firm to get as much as we could out of the prisoner, and then to send him to gaol when he was of no further use—he was not given into custody at once, because it would not have suited our purpose to have done so—our purpose was to get our books put right in the first instance; it was also desirable to try and get as much as we could—there was no understanding that when those two purposes were effected we should carry out the ends of justice—the prisoner was told to hand us over the securities he proposed, and we, or Mr. Bailey, rather, went through them and tried to recover the money they were said to be worth, but we found they were worthless—this matter was found out</p>
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<p>in December—the prisoner was given into custody in July—we gave him into custody because we found insult was being added to injury, bad was being made worse, we were simply being trifled with—I do not know that there is an agreement in existence as to the terms upon which the prisoner was engaged; as far as I know, there was none—I will not swear that I have not seen one, I don't remember it—the prisoner handed over other securities besides those mentioned in this list, they are in Mr. Bailey's possession—it did not turn out that in the account the prisoner gave he had overstated the amount due by him to the firm by 180
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., or any amount—he allowed a servant who was in our employ 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week, supposed to be from his own private income, and afterwards he debited it to the firm—there was a sum overcharged—I am not prepared to say how much, but a great portion of it was not legitimate; some portion I have no doubt was, I am not prepared to say how much—I found that he had given a most ample account of every single halfpenny that he had misapplied—I said to him, "The amount you set forth which you can hand over does not amount to the sum you are deficient, have you not anything more?"—this was before I knew Mr. Bailey—I told Mr. Bailey everything I had done, and left the matter in his hands—the prisoner afterwards handed me this paper, it contains these items: "H. Burgees & Co., 180
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; Gillard & Co., 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>; Austin, 139
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; my bond, 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—he gave me 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., I think, in January or February—that was not after the accountant had reported—I think at the time he gave me the list he gave me a promissory note, a bill, or something for 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. has been paid over to me; I gave it over to the firm—the prisoner told me it was raised by a bill of sale on his furniture—I knew at that time that he had committed a felony—I knew nothing about com
<lb/>promising it, I thought my duty was to get as much of the firm's money as possible; it was simply to get back the firm's own money—I did not intend to get the money and also to prosecute—the matter was not in my hands—my intention was to get as much money as I possibly could—I had no right to do anything—I did not do it with the authority of Mr. Stead; he did not know I was doing it—he got the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he refused it at the time I took the bond—when I handed over the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. he knew it came from the prisoner, and he took it—I have seen the prisoner's wife about half a dozen times—I think she came, to see me, I don't remember exactly what about—I went on one occasion to get some information respecting some accounts which we had presented, and which were said to have been paid, and we found no record of them—I did not go to obtain information that would enable us to realize the amount, it was about a matter referring to our books—I wanted to know where Mr. Ewin was, so that I might get the information—I think that was about February or January—it was after he had absented himself from Mr. Harper's, that was in February, I think—Mrs. Ewin did not tell me where her husband was, she said she would communicate with him—I think I went to her once again with Sergeant Haydon—he had a warrant at that time—he was not told not to execute it, or to hold it over, or to abstain from using it for any time, that I aware of—I am not aware of any arrangement that it should not be served for four months, or two months—I have not heard that such an arrangement was discussed—I applied at the Mansion House for a warrant—I am not aware that I told the officers there anything about the arrangement for giving up the securities—I won't swear that I did not—it is so long ago I don't remember—I may or may not, I have no idea.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you examined at the Mansion House by Mr. Merriman?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; very much the same questions were put to me as now—I knew that an advertisement was put in the paper to endeavour to find where the prisoner was—the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I received from the prisoner on the promissory note formed part of the 348
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—Mr. Stead was in Carlisle at the time I received it—the prisoner said that these investments of his had been made with money belonging to the firm—at the time I came to London I had no means whatever of knowing the state of Mr. Stead's London affairs, except through the prisoner—I had no means of ascertaining what the assets were without his assistance—when I speak of his adding insult to injury, I referred to his representation that 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was due from Tabet, of Beyrout, when, in fact, it had been paid, for I opened a letter from them to him, by his authority, denying the debt—it was upon that the warrant was applied for—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the letter, it bears the London post mark of 17th February—at that time I had also got further informa
<lb/>tion with regard to Mr. Benham and other persons—the prisoner never said that he had any authority to use this money of Mr. Stead's.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-9" type="given" value="JOHN RAND"/>JOHN RAND BAILEY</persName> </hi>. I am solicitor to Mr. Stead, and have been for some time—on the 9th or 10th December, Mr. Stead, Mr. Hodson, and the prisoner came to my office—an explanation was given by Mr. Stead of the purport of that visit, and I said to the prisoner, "This a very serious case, and I think you ought to have some solicitor representing you here"—he said, "I don't want one, I have well thought over what it is my duty now to do. I feel the seriousness of my position, and I am prepared to give you, without any solicitor being present, the fullest information, to enable Stead & Co. to recover back the monies which I have defrauded them of"—I said that before my clients could determine what course to adopt, they must have a full investigation made into their books, and the course I had advised them to adopt was to place the books in the hands of an accountant; that if he was disposed to give every information and assistance to that accountant to make up the books, he could do so, but he must plainly under-stand that that course would not prevent, in any shape or way, the adoption of criminal proceedings if they determined upon investigation to adopt them—he said he was willing to assign all his property over to Messrs, Stead—I asked him whether he owed anything to anybody else—he said nothing but a few trifling debts to his tradesmen—I declined to listen to any assignment, and said, "I only want to know what are the assets in your hands belonging to Messrs. Stead"—I went through the list of assets seriatim, and he stated that each of them was the produce of monies belonging to Messrs. Stead—I mean the list appended to the letter which he produced on the first occasion—he said as to one of them, the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from himself, he would give a bill or a bond for it, which I pooh-poohed, and said it was nonsense his proposing to give security to my clients—as to the others, he said they were all the produce of Stead & Co.'s money—I said I would appoint an accountant, and make an appointment for him to go into the matter, and if he chose to attend, I would give him notice, so that he might do so—I appointed Mr. Harper, and gave notice to the prisoner to attend—I believe he did attend at Mr. Harper's, according to Mr. Harper's report, that I received from him on 10th February—I have it here—substantially it amounted to what the prisoner stated originally, with some trifling difference—it has been sub
<lb/>sequently mentioned by Mr. Harper that there was some discrepancy which arose on a question of discount being allowed, that would reduce the sum</p>
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<p>with which the prisoner debited himself some 80
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I think with that exception the list of defalcations he had furnished was substantially correct—no doubt as to sums debited to any particular firm it could on inquiry have been ascertained whether they owed it or not, but I did not examine the books myself—the prisoner offered on that occasion three bills of 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. each, accepted by a person of the name of Gillard, that he said he had discounted with Messrs. Stead's money—I made inquiries about Gilard, found they were worthless, and refused to take them—500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. has been received from one of the sureties, and Mr. Hodson received some 340
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>, altogether about 900
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. has been realized—I subsequently put the matter into the hands of Mr. Humphreys, and about the 24th February, by his advice, a warrant was applied for and obtained—that was after I had received a communication with regard to Mr. Tabet, and after I had entered into correspondence with Mr. Benham.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLIANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long have you been a solicitor?
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I was admitted in Trinity Term, 1852—I carry on business at 8, Tokenhouse Yard—one of the first things I saw, in this matter, was the prisoner's letter—I subsequently saw the detailed list of his defalcations—these matters have been gone through by an accountant, and it turns out that the account that the prisoner gave Mr. Hodson was correct, with the exception of the overcharge to himself of 80
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 90
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I don't know that there was any difference in the prisoner's position, in a legal point of view, when I gave him into custody, than there was when he first admitted his defalcations—I did not give him into custody at first, because I did not know whether the defalcations might not have been ten times as much; it was therefore necessary for the firm to have the whole of their books amply investigated by an accountant—I advised my clients to give him into custody at once, but they did not do it; that was for the purpose of using his information—the list he gave contained, as he posi
<lb/>tively stated, property which was my client's, not his—they took it—I told them not to refuse anything that he said was theirs—we gave him into custody because we found he had deceived us in every respect about than various sureties being forthcoming—we did not find any deception as to his defalcations—I do not say that we should not have given him into custody if there had been no deception as to the sureties—I advised my clients throughout to prosecute him—I should not have advised my clients to let him go—I was simply dealing with what was their own property, not his—I took care, throughout the whole interview, to state that I would not have anything to do with any property of his; I only wanted to know what was the property of my clients—I know nothing whatever, personally, about the state of his property, or of the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. realized by it—I heard from Mr. Hodson that 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. had been paid him, and that the prisoner had told him how he had raised it on his property—it was not earmarked as his property—I did not advise Mr. Hodson to take it; he took it without my know
<lb/>ledge—I did not recommend him to return it—I must have known about it before the warrant was applied for—I had interviews with Mrs. Ewin—I don't think I ever wrote to her; she wrote to me—I did not tell her that if Mr. Stead could see her husband an arrangement would be made, nothing of the kind—I probably wrote to her to call on me; I can't tell; if you wish to know I will refer to my books—I may have written to say I was ready to receive her—I certainly never wrote any detailed letter—I really am in doubt whether I wrote at all or not—I have had notice to produce</p>
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<p>certain letters, and they are here—I will refer to my letter-book—here is a letter that was written by a clerk of mine—Mrs. Ewin called on me, and I read to her extracts from a letter from Mr. Stead—I may hare read words to the effect: "Mr. Hodson will be in London shortly, and if he has any interview with Mrs. Ewin, an arrangement may be effected, and the matter must stand over till then"—I have no doubt that was about the 22nd July—I acted in two actions as the prisoner's attorney under these circum
<lb/>stances, he stated he had applied some of Stead & Co.'s monies to dis
<lb/>counting a bill for a man named Austin, and he brought an action against him—the proceeds of that action were Stead & Co.'s, and he himself sug
<lb/>gested that I should be changed as the attorney, so that I might carry on the action that was virtually Stead & Co.'s action—I acted in his name, but it was an action simply brought by him as trustee for Stead & Co.—there was another case in which I acted in that same manner; that was an interpleader summons under precisely similar circumstances—I got 17
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., which I paid to Stead & Co.—I did not get my own costs, not a farthing—it was an interpleader summons, and the money was in Court—the pri
<lb/>soner told me he had made an advance of Stead & Co.'s monies to Benham, exceeding 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., for which Benham had agreed to give him a mortgage—upon that I gave Benham notice that the advances were made out of my client's monies, and that, in point of law and equity, they were entitled to the charge—Benham proceeded to give me evidence of his title—the other letter appeared long after the prisoner had absconded—I stated that I refused to enter into the title until I had received 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for doing so—Mrs. Ewin told me her husband was in France or Spain, and out of our reach—I did not entertain some proposals by which he should give information—I told her I would not put my clients to any-further expense, because I believed it was all moonshine about Benham't security, unless she deposited 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. with me—I may possibly have said, "I won't open the papers unless you give me 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—that was at a very late period, when he was in Spain, or Pimlico—I had opened the papers, and considered them—I did not hear from Haydon that he could serve the warrant when it was obtained—I did not instruct him, Mr. Humphreys did—I learnt from Haydon that he could not find the prisoner anywhere until three or four days before his arrest—I did not tell Haydon not to serve the warrant, or hold it over; I swear that—Haydon asked me if the reward was still in existence—we had offered 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in February, and advertised for the prisoner continually—Haydon said that persons came and volunteered to give information if they could get the 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I said I would communicate with Mr. Stead, and see whether he was tired out of the matter, or whether he would still insist upon prosecuting—I did communicate with him, and in the meantime the man was arrested—I did not tell Haydon not to execute the warrant, or to delay it—he told me the parties would not give information without know
<lb/>ing that the reward would be paid—I did not convey to him that I wished it delayed, not in any way—I told Mrs. Ewin that we were willing to keep the warrant back for two or four months—she did not say that if we did so he would be able to clear the whole debt, nothing of the kind—I offered to hold over the warrant because she told me he was in Spain, and we were unable to arrest him—I wanted information about these various securities—I suppose there is a firm of Tabet abroad—I don't know it of my own knowledge; I have no doubt of it—I presume they are merchants at Beyrout—I don't know whether they are Greeks; the name is more like</p>
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<p>a French name—I had negotiations with a view to utilize the 1000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in the name of Goodman & Co.—we have got the 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from J. Ewin—Ball had made a deed of composition—the 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to Benham referred to the Grapes public-house—I investigated the papers with reference to that so far as to see that it was all moonshine—I don't mean to say there are no transac
<lb/>tions between Benham and the prisoner—I know nothing about that, but the security offered to me was entirely imperfect, and the title worthless—I required the 30. because further information was volunteered to fill up the gap in the title, and I would not put my clients to the expense of investi
<lb/>gating it—there was a letter from Messrs. Tabet Brothers in which they stated the account had been settled long since—no doubt there was an account two or three years ago—the transaction as to Goodman & Co. was this: the prisoner stated that he had advanced money to Baker, trading as Goodman, Baker & Co., and that, to cover him, he had taken the house and business of an auctioneer carried on under that name—the sum of 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was offered for that, under the guarantee of possible possession by Mr. Stead; that I advised him not to give, as there were rival claims to the property—there was an assignment of a debt due from Warry & Burgess for 70
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I did not get a farthing from that—I did not demand 70
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from Mrs. Ewin in reference to that transaction; I swear that; nor any other sum.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT ROBINSON. Q</hi>. With reference to the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the bill of sale, was that received by Mr. Hodson?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I don't believe it was received on the bill—I believe 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was received—I told my clients not to refuse any money he brought them and said was theirs—with regard to the action against Austin, not a farthing was recovered—as to the other, 17
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was obtained, and that went to Mr. Stead's account—not a farthing has been realized from Goodman & Co., or Benham—a summons was taken out by Mr. Merryman, the prisoner's attorney, to show cause why I should not deliver up the papers to the prisoner as his attorney, and that was dismissed by Mr. Justice Willes.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-10" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-10" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN STEAD</persName> </hi>. I carry on business at Comersdale—there was no writ
<lb/>ten agreement between myself and the prisoner when he was engaged—the statement made by Mr. Hodson with regard to his duties is correct—in 1867, in consequence of finding there were very small remittances, I sent Mr. Hodson up to town, and in consequence of what I heard, I came up to town—I was present at the interview with Mr. Hodson, the prisoner, and Mr. Bailey, at Mr. Bailey's office—I have heard what Mr. Bailey has stated—with regard to what took place it is perfectly correct.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was there never any written agreement?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, not of any kind, I have no partners at present; the prisoner was engaged at a salary of 280
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum—I don't remember what reserved notice there was, whether it was three months or a month.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARPER</hi>. The prisoner attended at my office almost every day for the purpose of going through the accounts—an appointment was made for him which he did not keep—I did not see him again.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Before you lost sight of him was the investigation thoroughly completed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not quite; there were one or two more ques-tions to ask him; substantially he had told me all I required to know—he was present day by day, and gave me the fullest possible information—I found that his original representation was in the main correct—there were some things that I could not prove, but I stated in my report that upon</p>
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<p>the whole what he had stated was quite consistent with the facts, as I could elicit them from the papers that he handed in.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> All the explanation he gave you was with reference to accounts that appeared in the books?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and with refer
<lb/>ence to the appropriation of monies which he avowed that he had embezzled—any amounts that did not appear in the books would have been ascertained in the course of time—I never valued the securities.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you the slightest ground for sup
<lb/>posing that there was any defalcation to the amount of sixpence that you had not fully investigated?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I stated as much in my report—a large sum of his own, more than 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. must have been absorbed in the monies that were lost; that is quite independent of the 3700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-11" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-11" type="given" value="MICHAEL"/>MICHAEL HAYDON</persName> </hi>. I am an officer of the City detective force—on 24th February I had a warrant given, me for the prisoner's apprehension; I endeavoured to execute it—I succeeded in doing so on 27th July, at pimlico—I told him I was an officer, and held a warrant for his apprehen
<lb/>sion—he asked to see it—I showed it to him and proposed reading it to him—he said there was no occasion for that, he was quite content—I had not any instructions not to execute the warrant, nothing whatever was said to me about it.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Strongly recommended to merry by the Jury, on the ground that if he had had more time, he might perhaps have made the accounts good.—</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ARTHUR JOHN SAMUELS</hi> (34)</persName>
<rs id="t18681026-874-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
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<interp inst="t18681026-874-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="simpleLarceny"/>, Stealing 1992 tassels and other goods of
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-13" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-874-offence-1 t18681026-name-13"/>Alfred Rosenthal</persName>, and another.
<hi rend="italic">Second Count</hi>—Receiving the same.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-14" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-14" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-14" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD PARKER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">N</hi> 317). In consequence of instructions, I went on Sunday, 7th August, to No. 1, Smart Street, Green Street, Bethnal Green, occupied by George Lane, and on searching the house, I found a port
<lb/>manteau, two bags, and three paper parcels, containing a quantity of silk tassels and bobbins; there were 116 dozen tassels in the portmanteau, 298 bobbins of silk in the two bags, and about 73/4lbs, of black tram, which is a kind of silk, and a few tassels of various colours—I took Lane into custody, and he was ultimately discharged by the Magistrate—I afterwards went to the prisoner's house, I waited till 2 o'clock in the day, when he returned home—I went to the door and he put out his hand to shake hands—I told him I wished to have a word with him—he said, "All right, Mr. Parker, come in"—I went into the back parlour with him and said, "I have come to take you into custody"—he said, "What!"—I said, "I have come to take you into custody"—he said, "You are joking"—I said, "No, I was joking with you the other day, I am not now"—he said, "What are you taking me for?"—I said, "For being a receiver of stolen property, stolen silk and other goods"—he said, "Well, you have got to prove that, old boy"—I said, "I shall be able to prove that; do you know a man named Lane, living in Smart Street, Bethnal Green?"—with that he rushed to the side
<lb/>board, took hold of a piece of paper and wanted to go to the water-closet—I said, "You can go where you like, but you won't go out of my sight till you get to the police station"—I went with him to the water-closet, and as</p>
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<p>soon as he came outside, he said, "When did you see Lane?"—I said, "I have just left him at the police station, and the property he had in his pos
<lb/>session"—he made no answer to that, but asked me to allow him to have his dinner, which I did—I afterwards took him to the station—I afterwards went back to the house, and found three keys, one unlocks the portmanteau and another one the bag produced.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You knew that Sutton had been convicted, at that time, of stealing this property?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-15" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-15" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-15" type="surname" value="LANE"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-15" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE LANE</persName> </hi>. I live at 1, Smart Street, Bethnal Green—the prisoner is my brother-in-law—the police took from my place this portmanteau, and other things—they were brought there by the prisoner about ten or twelve days before—he asked me if I would mind these parcels for him for a few days—I said "Yes," and he left them—I saw him four or five days after. wards, and he told me they were port of a bankrupt's stock that he had bought up without any invoice, and he would fetch them away in a day or two.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-16" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-16" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-16" type="surname" value="LANE"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-16" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY LANE</persName> </hi>. I am the mother of last witness—the prisoner brought the portmanteau there about two months ago; I can't recollect the time exactly—he said, "Will you let me put this under your bed?"—I was in bed at the time—I said, "What is the matter; have you got an execution in the house?"—he said, "No, no, it is nothing; a person who owes me a good bit of money has turned bankrupt, and he has sent for me to take a certain amount, and I took this, but of course I shall return it"—he fetched it away about eight or ten days afterwards.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> I suppose you only saw the outside of the portman
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Only the outside—he is my son-in-law.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-17" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-17" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-17" type="surname" value="SUTTON"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-17" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED SUTTON</persName> </hi>. I am a prisoner in the House of Correction—I was convicted, before the Magistrate, of robbing Messrs. Rosenthal of tassels and silk—I was in their service for about twenty years, engaged is the factory, and had access to their goods—I was taken into custody on a Monday evening in July; I don't know the date—I have known the pri
<lb/>soner for the last twenty years—his place of business is in Parson's Street, Kingsland—he worked for Messrs. Rosenthal about twenty years ago—he carries on the business of a small trimming manufacturer—Messrs. Rosen
<lb/>thal are wholesale trimming manufacturers—the goods produced I sold to the prisoner—I stole them from my employer—these white things I took about a month before I was apprehended, and the black about three months—I took all the things to the prisoner at different times—I received from him from 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week—sometimes I went twice a week, and sometimes three times—that has been going on for a little over twelve months—it commenced by my meeting him accidentally in the street—we went to a public-house, and he arranged that I should rob my employer—he knew that I was at Rosenthal's—he was to take the things from me and give me so much a down—I can't say how much I have received from him during the twelve months—I had from 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week; it averaged about that—he always knew where I brought the things from—I knew the price of the things—the real price of these was from 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a dozen—the prisoner gave me 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; that was about the price he generally gave me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You were taken before the Magistrate, and charged with robbing your employers; were you convicted?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I pleaded guilty, and had six months' imprisonment—I am doing that now—it was about a week or fortnight after my accidentally meeting the prisoner that</p>
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<p>I commenced to rob my master—he proposed it to me, and I consented—I was timid at first—I only saw him once or twice before I commenced to rob; it might have been three times—I thought it was my duty to inform my master, but I did not do it—I have not a brother-in-law in the trade—I never told the prisoner that I had, and that the goods belonged to him, and that he was hard up for money, and wanted to borrow some money upon them, nothing of the sort—there was no one present when this con
<lb/>versation took place about robbing my master—I kept it secret for twelve or fifteen months.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How recently, before you were given into custody, had you dealt with the prisoner?
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I think it was a week—I can't say the quantity of bobbins that I took.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-18" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-18" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-18" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WELSH</persName> </hi>. I was in the prisoner's service as errand boy—I have on Sutton come there about once or twice a week for about nine months—I have been there eighteen months or two years—I did not see what he brought at any time; it was a black bag—he generally went into the back room by himself—the prisoner used to be out sometimes—Sutton used to walk in, and come out and go away—I did not notice whether the bag was full or empty—my master was there sometimes—I have seen the prisoner's little girl running off silk from bobbins on to other bobbins, pretty nearly every day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-19" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-19" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-19" type="surname" value="ROSENTHAL"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-19" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED ROSENTHAL</persName> </hi>. I am in partnership with Mr. Gardener, as ware
<lb/>housemen and trimming manufacturers in Addle Street, City—I have inspected the property which was taken possession of by the police in the portmanteau and bags, and I identify it as mine—some of it is of a peculiar make, and exclusively our own pattern—I have missed property of this kind to a very large extent, much more than there is here—this paper parcel of beads has our own private mark upon it, in my handwriting—10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. is the selling price, to the trade, of these white tassels, and 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. the black—I have not valued the things found, but I should say it is over 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you identify the whole of the property there as your manufacture?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Deeidedly—to the best of my belief this has never been sold—it would be impossible for me to say that, but we have lost property to a very large amount—I should say it has not been sold—I swear it because we have missed a much greater amount of the same pat
<lb/>tern—we have sold quantities of the same pattern.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you ever sell any to the prisoner?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never—we do not take off the private mark when we sell goods—some of the silk is wound on to other bobbins after being taken off ours—I am positive this is our silk; the bobbins are stamped with our initials.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-20" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-20" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-20" type="surname" value="HUCKS"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-20" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE HUCKS</persName> </hi>. I have been in the habit of making tassels and such work for the prisoner—these goods look very much like my manufacture—I identify them by the finishing—some of the black look like some that I have made—they are very like them—I make them for the prisoner from time to time with his own materials—I have frequently made goods of this description for the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Then you are not positive about it?
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>. And</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">Monday, October</hi> 26
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1868.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. Are you sure it is the same piece?
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-38" type="given" value="WILLIAM REESON"/>WILLIAM REESON HOUGH</persName> </hi>. On Saturday, 22nd August, between 8 and 9 o'clock in the evening, my daughter gave me a bad florin—I put it on the mantelshelf—on Sunday, the 23rd, the prisoner came in, and I saw my wife break some money—I went round and took hold of him, and my wife gave me these two bits of a bad half-crown—I gave them to the officer.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. Who takes the money out of the till?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. When 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of silver is taken, it is taken out of the till and taken up stairs.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-39" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FOREMAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 316). I took the prisoner and found only 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on him—he said that he had no home—Mr. Hough gave me this broken half-crown and florin.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. Did not the first witness tell you at Guildhall, that she could not recognize me?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. No; I told the clerk of the Court that Mr. Hough said that he did not know whether his daughter could recognize you or not.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I am a painter, and sold my diamond for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; the half-crown I received was bad. I never saw the florin, and was not in the house.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you not say before the Magistrate, Mr. Sadler asked her where she got it, and she said that she worked for it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, I had never seen the prisoner before—it was between 6 and 7 o'clock when she came on Friday evening, and about 11 on Saturday evening—two or three other persons serve in the shop as well as me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were there other shillings in the till?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, it had been cleared between the time of the prisoner coming in and these two shillings being taken out; they were found about an hour after she left—no money had been taken out in my presence between the time the two shillings were taken out and the time the prisoner left the shop.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had any money been put in in the mean time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, we did not sell anything for the whole hour—I was there the whole time and did not take any silver, only halfpence—if the other persons took silver, they would put it in the till.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-43" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN SADLER</persName> </hi>. I keep a confectioner's shop—on Friday evening, 18th September, two bad shillings were shown to me, a piece was broken out of one of them, and when we went to nail it to the counter, it broke again, and we chucked it away—next night, about 11.15, I was called into the shop, the prisoner was there; the last witness gave me a bad shilling and I said to the prisoner, "What a bad girl you are to bring a bad shilling"—she said, "That she did not know it was bad, she had been at work for it"—I said, "How could you work for such money as this?"—Brown said, "You were here last night"—she said, "No, I was not"—she was given in charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you given change for a sovereign out of the till on Friday night?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, that is the way the 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. were found—we had taken 20
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in an hour, we often take 30
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> At what time was the sovereign changed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About 7.30—there was change for a sovereign in money of all sorts when I cleared the till, among it were the two bad shillings.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-45" type="given" value="MARIAN"/>MARIAN PEARCE</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of John James Pearce, who keeps the Albion public-house, Caledonian Road—on October 1st, I served the prisoner with a glass of ale, and he gave me a half-crown, I gave him 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 41/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>, change—I looked at him quite two minutes before giving him the change, because I suspected the half-crown—he left the bar, I put it in my mouth, and found it was bad—it was put on the shelf, and afterwards in a cupboard, which was kept locked—on 5th October the barmaid showed me a bad half-crown—I went into the bar, and the prisoner was there—I recognized him at once, and he was given in custody—I gave the half-crowns to the constable at the Police Court.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-48" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES MARVIN</persName> </hi>. I took the prisoner, and received this half-crown and two others next morning from Mrs. Pearce—I found on him a good florin and 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he said that he came from Chatham on Friday night, and got change for a half-sovereign.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-49" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These three florins are bad, and from the same mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I changed a sovereign at Chatham. If I had known the half-crowns were bad, I had plenty of opportunity of walking out.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been before convicted in May</hi>, 1867,
<hi rend="italic">to which he</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi> 271). On 13th October, at 6.15 a.m., Mrs. Taylor gave me this bad half-crown from her pocket, where she had about 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in silver, but no other half-crown.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-55" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED HILL</persName> </hi>. My wife gave me this half-crown in a room behind my bar—I tried it with my teeth, and said to the prisoner, "This is a bad one; your have stopped here too long, my man"—I went to the station, and when I came back he was gone.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. I was close
<hi rend="italic">again</hi> the door when you came back?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. I did not see you till the constable brought you into the station.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi> 80). On 8th October, Mr. Hill came to the station, and gave me a bad half-crown—I ran before him to his house, but the prisoner was gone—I overtook him 100 yards off, walking away, and took him in charge—he said he did not know the half-crown was bad—I found nothing on him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-57" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These half-crowns are bad, and from the same mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I only know about one half-crown, and I did not know that that was bad.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. Did I look at the second shilling before I gave it to yon?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. I do not know—you moved towards the door, and I immediately opened the flap—I told my master you had the first shilling—you laid it on the counter, I picked it up and gave it to the constable.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman E R</hi> 38). The prisoner was given in my custody—he said that he had been out drinking the night before, and was not aware where he took them—I found two on him.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I met some friends, and got too tipsy to ride in an omnibus. I took a cab, but having only a five shilling piece, I stopped the cab, and changed it at a public-house, but did not get out. I received 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., four sixpences, and 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. I never looked at the money. On the Tuesday I received a letter from Lord Grosvenor's committee respecting my vote, and went into this public house to get change for a shilling, that I might answer the letter. I showed it to this publican at the time. I have been thirty-five years in the same house, and have brought up a young family. I had no occasion to pass bad money, as my wife has an annuity.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., which I put in the till—there was no other shilling there—about 2 o'clock in the afternoon, my daughter Frances, who was serving in the bar, brought me a bad shilling—I looked at the prisoner, who was there, and recognized him directly—he said, "I want my change"—I said to my husband, "We will lock this man up, it is the second coin he has passed on us to-day—the prisoner went out; my husband went after him, brought him back, and he was given in custody with the two marked shillings.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman Y</hi> 116). The prisoner was given into my custody with this second shilling—he was charged with passing one at 12 o'clock, and the other at 2 o'clock—he said that they were deceived, he had not been there before that day—I found 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. on him—he had been drinking, but knew well what he was about.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-66" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These two shillings are bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate was, that he was not the man who had the rum-and-water at the house, and that he did not know that the shilling which he paid the girl was bad</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
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<p>came and had a half-pint of coffee and two slices of bread and butter, which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he paid me with this medal, which I took to be a sovereign, and I gave him 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change—he left the house—I put the medal on the shelf, and afterwards gave the medal to Mr. Wybrow.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. A</hi> gentleman gave me 24
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for a pair of boots, I paid away the 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and gave you a sovereign.
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. You did not.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-69" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES WYBROW</persName> </hi>. I manage this coffee house for my brother-in law—I remem
<lb/>ber the prisoner coming in, and after he left the last witness gave me this coin; it was put on a shelf, and was not found out till after he had gone—it was the only sovereign we changed that day—I found the prisoner next morning, sad asked him what it was he gave my waitress last night—he said "I gave her a sovereign"—I said, "No, you gate her a medal"—he went with me, and she said "He is the man."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. Have you not known me for a long time?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. For eighteen Booths or two years, but I do not suppose you have been in the place half a dozen times in that time—I once gave you a pair of shots to mend.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-70" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE NORTON</persName> </hi>. The prisoner is a customer of my employer's—on 12th October he was served with some goods in the shop, and put down a medal saying, "For a sovereign you shall give me change"—I took it up, saw it was worthless, and threw it back to him, at which he laughed—this medal looks like it—he paid me with other money.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-71" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PAICE</persName> </hi> (City Policeman 866). I took the prisoner—he said he had received 24
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for two pairs of boots on the day previous, but did not know the man of whom he took it—Wybrow handed me this medal.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-72" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This coin is the size of a sovereign—here is the head of the Queen, as you find it on a sovereign; but, on the other aide, is "To Hanover"—it has the knerled edge of a sovereign.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's</hi> Defence. I gave her a proper sovereign. I cannot speak pro
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BRINDLEY</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-74" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-74" type="given" value="LAURA JANE"/>LAURA JANE DALE</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at Lake's dining room, Cheapside—on 7th October, about 4 o'clock, the prisoner came in for a glass of stout, which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and put down 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I tried it, and told him it was bad—he said he was not aware of it, and gave me a good one—I sent for a constable, as the prisoner had been in on the 3rd and on the 10th, and tendered a florin each time for a glass of stout—I tested them, they bent and were soft—he begged my pardon the first time, and said he was not aware it was bad, and gave me a shilling—I bent the second florin and threw it away—I am sure he is the same man.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. She is entirely mistaken in saying I was there twice before—there are sometimes 30 people in the bar.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 577). On 27th October the prisoner was given into my custody with these bad shillings—I told him the charge, he said he did not know it was bad—I found on him a 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>, and 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in halfpence—he gave his name, but refused his address.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. My address would not have benefited the case, as I was staying at a lodging house.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-76" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This is a bad shilling.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. It is very strange she did not have me apprehended</p>
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<p>the first and second time. I was not there at all Mr. Lake did not want to give me in custody, he only wanted to have me searched.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, October</hi> 27
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1868.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>; and
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WARNER SLEIGH</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-78" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-78" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM LIVINGSTONE</persName> </hi>. I am chief usher at the Thames Police Court—I remember when the charge against Rewman, Frankle, Harris and Cohen was investigated before Mr. Benson—they were in custody—the present prisoner was produced as a witness against them—there were several remands from time to time, and he gave evidence on those several occasion—his evidence was taken in writing—these are the depositions that were taken in the case—he was sworn through an interpreter.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-79" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH SOLOMONS</persName> </hi>. I interpreted the evidence of the prisoner at the Thames Police Court—I interpreted it fairly, just as he told me. (
<hi rend="italic">The deposition of the prisoner was put in and read: it stated in substance that he came to this country as an agent for the Russion Government, to discover for
<lb/>geries of Russian rouble notes; that he became acquainted with Frankle, Harm, Cohen, Rewman, and others, and detailed various interviews with them on the subject of forged notes; that on one occasion he saw Rewman at Harris's, that Rewman promised to send him specimens, and that afterwards he received is an envelope, through the post, two forged rouble notes, which he handed to Inspector Thomson</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-80" type="given" value="OSCAR"/>OSCAR REWMAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 29, Stock well Park Crescent, Stockwell—I have an office at No. 2, Mason's Avenue, Coleman Street—I am a commis
<lb/>sion agent—I have been living in England for eleven years—up to the present time, when this charge was made, nothing of any kind had over been said against me—I was taken into custody on 27th May, I think, upon a charge of forging Russian noted—I was afterwards taken to the Thames Police Court, and remanded from time to time—I was kept in custody for thirteen weeks on a charge of having these Russian notes in possession—I was indicted with Frankle, Harris, and Cohen, against whom the prisoner gave evidence at the Police Court—I was afterwards sent for trial here—Cohen was discharged by the Magistrate, and another man I do not know—I have seen him, but I cannot remember his name—Harris, Frankle, and myself were committed for trial—I was bailed by the Magistrate—when I came to this Court, Frankle and Harris pleaded guilty to a minor offence—I was acquitted of everything—I think I saw Zibarski during the early part of this year—I will swear that I did not see him five times—that is the utmost—I may have seen him four times—it may have been five—I saw him at Harris's place, 92, Leman Street, Whitechapel—Harris carried on business there, on a large scale, in woollen cloth—I had several dealings with him years ago, not at 92, Leman Street—I had no business with him there—I did not buy at that place—I went there to see him on business,</p>
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<p>but did not buy of him—years ago he bought several articles of me—not jewellery, that was later—I remember five or six yean ago, he brought some woollen jean, and some few pieces of cloth, which I sold him at that time; and on the Saturday before the Tuesday when I was arrested, he bought of me a gold watch, for which I received 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—when I went to his place, I went on legitimate business—I never had anything to do with the forgery of Russian notes in my life, or in the engraving of them—I never was con
<lb/>nected with them in any way in my life—I did not know at all until I was taken into custody, that any forgery was going on, or that Zibarski was engaged in it—on my solemn oath I never spoke one syllable to the prisoner in my life—he never spoke to me on the subject of Russian notes, or in my presence—it is utterly false that he saw me at Harris's, and that any arrange
<lb/>ment was come to about fake ten rouble notes—not a syllable passed about my airing 40,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of ten rouble notes—I will swear on my solemn oath that I never had a 100-rouble note in my possession in my life—Harris never gave me 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for any purpose—I did not say that I only had two ten rouble notes at present—I did not send two false ten rouble notes to Zibarski by post—I did not send them in any envelope by post—I did not send him an envelope by post, either with or without ten rouble notes—I never said to him that I was angry with him because I could not get back the envelope, that I did not want to be known in the affair—it is not true that Harris bought any notes of me; there is not one word of truth in his story—I will swear that I saw Frankle for the first time in my life, on the 26th May, when I was arrested—I never saw him until that day when I was in the dock—I did not go in a cab with Frankle, Harris, and Zibarski—I did not say that I would send him either, a 100 or a ten rouble note—I never spoke one word to the man in my life—he may have seen me go to Moses's place, that I cannot say, but I never made any signs whatever—on one occasion when I was at Harris's, I remember being asked to write some-thing—Zibarski was present, and Harris's female servant, and a gentleman named Goldberg; he went with me to look at some goods, because he was a little more of a judge of dry goods than I was—I looked over some goods while I was there—Harris came up to me and said, "Will you oblige this poor fellow, a Jew, or something, he wants to send a letter away to Beyrout, and cannot use a pen"—Zibarski was sitting there on a bale of goods—Harris gave me a piece of paper at the time, about half the size of the envelope—I there and then sat down at a small desk and wrote on the enve
<lb/>lope from the piece of paper—this is the envelope and my writing (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I simply copied what was on the piece of paper—I had seen Harris receive a communication from the prisoner just before, and that piece of paper was handed from the prisoner to Harris; and knowing that Harris could not write, I wrote on the envelope—he can write, but he cannot write legibly—I saw the envelope given back by Harris to the prisoner—I afterwards saw that envelope on 26th May, when it was produced by Mr. Robins, and that very day I made the statement to Mr. Wontner, that I am making now on oath—I never saw it from the time I gave it back to Harris until it was produced then—it is not true that I posted it—I never put a stamp on it, nor anything in it—there was no stamp on it when I wrote it—this was done a very long time before I was arrested—I should say at least between six and eight weeks—that is every word I know about that envelope—Zibarski was not dressed then as he is now—he was dressed like (if I may use the expression, being a Jew myself) a poor Polish Jew—a miserable Jew,</p>
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<p>dirty and ragged—he looked poor—he had a beard something like he has now; a little longer—when he was afterwards confronted with me as a witness, he had shaved off his beard, and appeared with gold spectacles—he did not wear gold spectacles when I saw him at Harris's, or on any occasion—he wore a new suit when he was a witness, and was, I may say, properly dressed.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long have you lived at 29, Stockwell Park Crescent?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The last twelve months, but in the parish at least ten years—I was asked at the Police-Court whether I had had only two transactions with Harris, and I said "Yes"—I now say that I never had any other transaction with him—when I made that statement at the Police-Court, I was under the firm belief that the only two transactions I mentioned, the diamond ring and the watch, were the only two I have had; but since that, it came to my recollection that about eighteen months ago I had a parcel of watches, on which I raised some money, and out of those watches Harris bought several, I think twelve or fifteen—he paid the money to the other party—that transaction quite slipped my memory—the woollen cloth trans
<lb/>action was seven years ago—I have heard Harris examined at the Police-Court—I heard him say he had had several transactions with me within the last three or four years—I did not say I did not know Harris—I did not know him intimately at all—I never had him at my private residence—he would know nothing of my private affairs—I never saw Frankle in my life, till the day I was arrested—my only motive for writing the address on the envelope was good nature—I am positive I never saw it again until I was at the Police-Court—Inspector Thomson did not show it to me; that I am sure about—I swear, to the best of my belief, that he did not show it to me—I will swear my attention was not called to it by Thomson—as far as I know about the matter, I will swear positively it was not—I will not swear to that point positively—I could only have been shown it at the police-station, and what happened there I don't know—I did not say to Thomson that I had never seen it in my life, certainly not; I swear that positively, nothing of the kind—I never said so to anybody—on my solemn oath I did not know anything about these Russian forgeries—I say, most distinctly, I was not acquainted with the system of Russian forgery that was going on; I knew nothing at all about it—there never was anything against me before this charge; I swear to that, no charge of any kind in this country—I am a Prussian—there was a charge against me, in Prussia, for forging a bill of exchange—I did not run away; I went away—I did not keep out of the way—no reward was offered for my apprehension—I never heard of it; I swear that most distinctly—I was not convicted, or found guilty, or sentence passed on me—it is utterly false that a sentence of three yean was passed upon me in my absence; no sentence of any kind was passed, it is utterly false—I was not advertised for in the Belgian papers; I never heard of it—I was charged with forging several bills of exchange, which were accepted by my brother-in-law and drawn by myself—I never have forged a bill in my life, and I will tell you how it was—the case was not tried—on my solemn oath, there was no trial upon it, nor any legal investigation, to my knowledge—this was in Berlin—I left there on 24th December, 1857; I remained away to the present moment—(
<hi rend="italic">Looking at a paper</hi>) this is quite correct; I was advertised for—you asked me if I was advertised for in Belgium; I was advertised for in my own country—I absconded from justice, through advice I had on very high</p>
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<p>authority—I preferred to do that which I have done up to this present moment, to stop away, to save my family, not myself—I have been back to Germany—my brother accepted, for me, about 10,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of bills, about 70,000 thalers—when the panic of '57 began, I could not meet my engagements, and my brother-in-law said, "You go away for a short time, I will arrange it"—an uncle of mine, of the same firm, accepted the bills, and when I was three or four days away, my brother-in-law turned round and said, "I will not pay," and declared that he did not sign the bills, and that my uncle had no authority to sign—that was the forgery I was charged with—my brother did not charge me with forgery—my uncle accepted the bills—It behaved as badly as my brother—he was my wife's uncle—they both behaved very badly to me, not quite so bad as Zibarski—they did it to save their name, and he did it only to please Mr. Robins, that honourable gentle-man, and Mr. Thomson, and to get money—I have never spoken one word to my brother or uncle since—they are still in Berlin—I am a commission agent—I mean by that, buying and selling, and making profit, and making my living by it, watches, jewellery, diamonds, and almost anything—not old clothes—I have dealt with cloth a great deal—I knew of Frankle and Harris being taken into custody the night before they were arrested: I had been told about the case—I was arrested the following day—on 25th May I bought about 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of foreign stock, and sold it that same day at the Stock Exchange—they were Italian and Turkish bonds—I bought them of a gentleman living at an hotel in Panton Square—he was introduced to me by the landlord—I had not known him before, the landlord had—I gave about the full value for them—I gave 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in hard cash, and 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in some mining shares—I bought them in the City, and sold them in the City—this was on the Monday—on the Sunday previous a gentleman came to my office and asked whether I had some money to spare—I said, "Yes," and he came the following day—the circumstances were inquired into, and I bought the stock and sold it—I sold it through a broker, Messrs. Burningham, of Throgmorton Street, and they sold them to Mr. Louis Cohen, the broker of Rothschild's—it is not the fact that I took a good deal of interest in these Russian forgeries; none whatever, except interest in what is in the papers, when there are speeches made by Mr. Serjeant Ballantine, they are always interesting—I took no interest in, and knew nothing about these matters—I have been lucky and unlucky in my acquaintances—I knew Hol
<lb/>chester, I made his acquaintance at a German coffee-house—I know that he was sentenced to twelve years' penal servitude for forging Russian notes—I never had any business with the man in my life—I had seen him, but never bad any transaction with him—I had known him some months before he was taken into custody—I used to see him very often, meeting him in the coffee-house in the afternoon—he was of my persuasion—he was not from Germany, and I don't know where from—he was not an English Jew—I used to see him pretty constantly at the coffee-house—to my astonishment he was taken of for forging Russian rouble notes—I should think that is three or four years ago—I did know that such things were going on—the knowledge of forged rouble notes did not come upon me entirely by surprise—I have read of a great many cases—I was not in communication with Holchester's wife while he was in prison—I will swear I was not—I did not call upon her by his desire while he was in prison—I did not see him while he was in prison—I say most distinctly that I did not see anything of Mrs. Holchester during the time he was in prison—I swear most distinctly I was not at the house—</p>
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<p>if it is in the depositions that I said, "I will not swear one way or the other," I will not say it was not so—I am a widower—I was courting the sister of Holchester's wife—I used not to be a good deal at the house, the sister did not live there—I know a man named Koche, he was a witness in another case of forged Russian rouble notes—I know that he was taken into custody for forging those notes, and became Queen's evidence—I had known him for two or three years, perhaps before that—I did not know him well—I met him at the coffee-house—he offered me sometimes goods to sell, and sometimes I bought—I know him now, and associate with him now, not intimately—when he was taken his wife was poor and penniless, and when the matter came to my knowledge I went to her, and when I saw she was confined the same day, I went to Mr. Wontner, and engaged him to defend him; and I begged him to tell his client if he had done wrong to make a clean breast of it, and he might save himself—that was all I had to do in the transaction, and I have assisted a great many more men in such cases—I did Dot suggest that be should turn Queen's evidence—I said if he had made a mistake—I mean if a man has been in misfortune, the best thing to do is to make a clean breast of it, which he did, by giving evidence against his accomplices—I have been good friends with him since; a man may repent—I last saw Koche on Friday or Saturday; he lives in my neighbour
<lb/>hood, and I see him—I know that he makes his living respectably—I know that a man named Berrens was unfortunate in the same way—I sold him about 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of goods—I don't know how long he was confined for, for years no doubt—I don't know whether it was twelve years—he was convicted four or five years ago—I did not know him pretty well, not more than he bought of me a parcel of goods which I sold him, and he paid me part cash and part credit—when it was due it was not paid—I heard that he wanted to leave the country, and I had him arrested by a Judge's order, and I saved my money, 70
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. odd—I don't know how long that was before he was covicted of forgery—it was between three and four years ago that I had him arrested, it must have been about twelve mouths before be was convicted—on my solemn oath I had not been in company with Berrens within twenty-four hours of his arrest for forgery—I was never in his company at all, except by meeting him in places—I can't help where people assemble—I had no doubt met him in places—I did not meet him in any place within twenty-four hours of his being taken into custody—I don't know how long before, perhaps weeks, or months, I don't know—I knew a person of the name of Cracaur—I think I know who you mean—I know nothing more of him than meeting him—I never had any transactions with in—I used to meet him casually, not privately—I have seen him and spoken to him, but I swear I never had any transaction whatever with him—he was convicted in Paris for forging Russian rouble notes—I knew him, and I knew Roupell, too, and I gave him my vote—you ask me these questions to damage my character—I know these persons, and I know a great many honest men, and I know persons whose characters may not be honest, I know Mr. Inspector Thom
<lb/>son, and I know Mr. Robins—although I knew all these persons, I swear most distinctly that I did not know that the forgery of rouble notes was going on—I did not know Davis—I did not know, for four years before I was myself accused, that the forgery of Russian rouble notes was going on to an enormous extent—I never bothered myself about Russian forged or good notes—I mean most distinctly to swear that.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you not, a year and a half ago, call on Mr. Robins and offer to</p>
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<p>detect the forgers of Russian notes?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did, and I hope you will allow. me to explain: Mr. Thomson sent one day for me, he wanted to see me; I went down to his private office, and after haying several preliminary con
<lb/>versations, he said, "The matter turns upon these forged Russian rouble notes"—I said, "Mr. Thomson, now what is the use of your always going on and finding out the dealers with these notes; why don't you try and get at the fountain head?"—he said, "I should like to find it"—I said, "I tell you what, Mr. Thomson, if a sum of 4000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is guaranteed in the hands of my trustees, I will make this matter a matter of study, and devote my time to it, whether for twelve months or two years; if I succeed I want 4000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., if I don't succeed I have lost my money, my time, and my labour"—I did not know that I would succeed or not—on my solemn oath I was ready to give up two years of my time, without being pretty sure whether I succeeded or not—I knew nothing about them—Mr. Thomson gave me a piece of paper and his recommendation to Mr. Robins, and with that piece of paper I went there—I went there for the purpose of being employed, not as a spy, but, if a crime was in existence, to suppress it—I did not rely upon the gratitude of Koche—he could not tell all about it, he did not—Mr. Robins did not say that he would have nothing to do with me—he said he would propose the matter to his chiefs, whoever they may be, and they declined—I afterwards met Mr. Thomson in the passage of the Old Bailey, and he said, "Mr. Robins don't want to have anything to do in it," and the remark I made to Mr. Thomson was, "I can pretty well guess what the meaning is, neither you, nor Mr. Robins, nor Mr. Kamenski want to get at the bottom of it, for the simple reason that you don't want to lose the goose with the golden eggs"—I thought I could get to the bottom of it, if I de
<lb/>voted two years' or twelve months' labour to it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You speak of some coffee-house, were you in the habit of meeting a number of German Jews at a particular coffee-house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Everyday, between fifty and sixty—there are several coffee-houses in the City where German Jews resort, merely to take a cup of coffee; it is 5, Bloomfield Street, Liverpool Street—no, I beg your pardon, I did not mean Bloomfield Street, but Liverpool Buildings, Liverpool Street, where I met these persons, all the persons that have been mentioned, including Cracaur, who was convicted in Paris—I had known Koche several years; I had met him at this coffee-house, I had dealings with him, I bought goods of him and he sold goods for me—on my solemn oath I did not know of Holchester and the others being connected with Russian forgeries until their arrest and conviction—as to Koche, since he gave evidence I have no doubt he has been making a legitimate living—I never had any transaction with Berrens except the 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of goods; I arrested him for that, and made him pay me—I don't remember the time when he was arrested—I think it must have been about September or October when he was arrested by me—when I went to Thomson he sent for me—Mr. Robins did not send for me—Thomson gave me a piece of paper to go to him—he declined my proposal about a fortnight afterwards—the stock I purchased was Italian and Turkish—that was transacted through highly respectable brokers, in fact, the stock was delivered to Mr. Louis Cohen, the stockbroker of Messrs. Rothschild: the purchase was made of the principal, and the sale was by Messrs. Burning
<lb/>ham—they were sold and dealt with regularly in the public market—I had some money at that time, not in the funds—to my knowledge, no trial took place against me at Berlin in my absence—about three years after I</p>
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<p>left Berlin I was there visiting my own family—I have only been once in Berlin, but, perhaps, twenty times in Prussia—I was the drawer of the bills—my wife's uncle accepted them—they were supposed to be in partnership—I was first in partnership with my uncle and brother-in-law; he was, in fact, a sleeping partner—he gave the money to establish the factory—it was a trimming factory—my uncle accepted the bills—afterwards, when the crisis came, they could not be met—the estate was a bankrupt estate—it did not become bankrupt—when I left Berlin I had 15000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. drafts on my customers, every one has been met at maturity, and not one complaint has been lodged against me, except about these bills—I had nothing to do with forging the bills, nor did I know that my uncle had no authority to sign the acceptances; the charge was made after I left—both my uncle and brother-in-law consulted with me before I left: there was a family council—both my uncle and brother-in-law were perfectly aware that I was leaving Berlin, in fact, it was their advice to go away—they wanted to arrange the matter.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-81" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL FRANKLE</persName> </hi>. I am come out of gaol now to give evidence—I am under a sentence of seventeen months' imprisonment—I pleaded guilty to a misdemeanour last sessions—I know Zibarski—I knew him before the end of last year—I think it was about the end of October or November—I had never known him before—he introduced himself to me—I carry on a pawn-broking business in Liverpool—when he came he brought me some certificates—(
<hi rend="italic">Looking at a paper</hi>) I can't exactly swear whether that was it—I have seen a great many more—he had about three forged certificates—I have seen three or four—I can't swear that is the same—he brought several certificates and several letters—this is the certificate he swore to at the Police Court, which he afterwards confessed was forged—I cannot translate it into English, I am not a sufficient scholar—I know the Hebrew very well—I afterwards saw him in London, at Mr. Harris's—Harris is no relation of mine—he carries on the cloth business, at 92, Leman Street—I know Oscar Rewman now—I never saw him in my life till I was arrested, and never spoke to him—I never drove or rode with the prisoner and Rewman in a cab—I never saw him at Harris's in my life—I knew nothing at all about him until he stood by me in the dock at the Police Court—that was the first time I ever knew him—I was never in company with a person named Moses in my life—I never knew the man—I heard his name—Rewman, Moses, and I, were never together in my life—if I saw Moses now even, I should not know him—he was mentioned by Harris—I never conversed with Rew
<lb/>man about Russian notes, I tell you I never saw him, nor did the prisoner in my presence—I never went with the prisoner in search of Rewman—I never was in a cab with Zibarski, or anywhere when Rewman made signs to me I never saw Rewman in my life, and never heard his name.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you seen Rewman to day?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> To-day—yes, I saw him in the coffee-house opposite—he was not doing anything there—he was only coming in—he treated me with a glass, that was all—there was nothing else, no more passed between us—he did not read anything to me to-day—he did yesterday—he read from a German paper, translated into English, about this case of forged notes, about their taking him into custody, and so on—he read it me to show that in Germany, where he was born, they gave him a good character—it was not anything about his evidence—it was only to say that he had a good character from there—I did not know him at all before—I am not a forger, or a dealer in forged notes—I have never done such a thing—I never had anything to do with</p>
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<p>forged notes—I have seen them—I should think every person has seen here in this Court forged notes—perhaps I have seen them before—I have—I don't remember who has shown them to me—perhaps when I was at home in Russia I saw them—there are plenty there—I did not sea them in England—never at all until they were produced in Court—I know nothing about them, and nothing about the forgery of them—I know nothing about Rewman or forged notes—I do not deal in forged notes—I never had any in my possession—I never made any arrangements to circulate them—I never made any arrangement with anybody to part with the; such a suggestion is an utter falsehood—if I said myself that I was guilty of it, it is untrue—I was represented here by counsel when I pleaded guilty, and by an attorney—I don't know a man of the name of Berrens—may be I know such a name—I don't know what Berrens you mean—I know the Berrens who got into the misfortune about Russian notes—he was engaged to a girl at Liverpool—I was there at their engagement—I know Davis, he was living in Liverpool—if he met with a misfortune what was that to me—I saw him one time perhaps, or two times—I don't know him pretty well—I was not a friend of his, or of Mrs. Davis—I was never in his house—(
<hi rend="italic">Looking at a paper</hi>) I don't know whose writing that is—I swear that—I cannot write English—it is not in my writing—I am quite sure of that—I don't know whose writing it is—I swear it is not mine—I did not go to Mrs. Davis when her husband was in prison—I did not see her at all—I don't know Holchester, I never saw him in my life—I know a daughter of Davis's, she came to me in Liverpool while Davis was in prison—I don't know what for—let her say, I don't know—she came because I was acquainted with her father—she asked me to help him—I did not—I said I could not do anything for him—I did not give her money—I only gave her money that was owing to him—I don't remember how much it was—he was in charge for forging Russian notes—I did not owe money to him—I owed some to Berrens—Miss Davis came from Berrens—she did not say I owed Berrens money for forged notes, it was for cash he had lent me, and I owed it to him—he did not lend it me in Russian rouble notes, it was in English money, 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I gave her 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—you asked me whether I gave money for Davis, I did not give it for Davis—she did not threaten to give me into custody, or to charge me with anything—she did not threaten me at all—I objected to let her have the money at first, because I did not want to give her money that I owed to Berrens—at last she brought me a letter from Berrens—I have not got that letter—she came down a second time—I would not let her have it at first—I would not let her have it before she brought a letter from Berrens—perhaps I should know the letter if I saw it—it was 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I gave her—I don't remember whether she left the note from Berrens, or whether she gave it to me—it is two or three years ago—I think this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the note—I see it is 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., there—it was 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. that I gave her—he wrote once for 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I gave another 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was owing to him, and I gave him 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; he wrote at one time 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and another 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—she was twice in Liverpool—I don't remember whether she brought a second letter—I think she first applied for 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and then for 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is not a letter sent by me to Mrs. and Miss Davis—it is not my handwriting—I don't know whose it is—I never wrote to either Miss or Mrs. Davis.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say you were not guilty, and yet you pleaded guilty to a misdemeanour, a minor offence?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, I pleaded</p>
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<p>guilty because I was afraid there was a person come to give false evidence against me, and perhaps I should get fire or seven years for nothing—I was at the coffee-house yesterday, with the officers who had charge of me—they were present when Rewman read something from the paper.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-82" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-82" type="given" value="BARNARD"/>BARNARD HARRIS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">interpreted</hi>). I carry on business in a large way as a cloth dealer, in Leman Street, Whitechapel, and have done so for about six or seven years—I was, previous to that, in Whitechapel—I know Mr. Oscar Rewman; he has had dealings with me in a little way—I remember his coming to me, but I cannot recollect the date—it was five or six weeks previous to my arrest on this charge; I am sure of that—I knew Zibarski at that time, he was at my place, day and night—I knew him a little before and after Christmas—he was there when Rewman called—I remember that envelope being written—it is my envelope—ray servant was present when it was written, and a young man who came in with Mr. Rewman—this is Mr. Rewman's handwriting; I asked him to write it—Zibarski asked me to write an address; I said I could not write it—Zibarski said, "Ask one of those two gentlemen, and they will write it for you"—I was not to well acquainted with the other young man as I was with Rewman, so I asked Rewman to write it—Zibarski gave it on a piece of paper, and I gave it to Rewman, and he put the address down—I have a lot of envelopes, and I took one of them—I took the same piece of paper, with the envelope, and the address, when Rewman had written it, and returned it to Zibarski—I did not see what he did with it; it had nothing to do with me—Zibarski never spoke a single word to Rewman, at that time, about forged Russian notes—he did not understand his language, and the other one did not understand his—I never saw Zibarski speak a word to him—Rewman never conversed with me, in Zibarski's presence, about rouble notes, or anything of the kind—he never went with me in a cab to seek after Rewman—Frankle never knew Rewman—I never took Rewman into a back shop, and showed him a five or ten rouble note.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you know anything about forged rouble note?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have cloth to sell, but I do not know about forged rouble notes—I have known Rewman four, five, or six years—I have sold him perhaps twenty articles, perhaps more, perhaps less—he has bought articles of me—the last transaction was a gold watch and diamond ring, which I bought the tame week; and I bought some watches of Moses, which belonged to Rewman—a few years back he bought some wool of me—I don't know a man of the name of Holchester—1 can swear I never saw him—a few years back I heard his name mentioned—I don't know whether it had something to do with rouble notes—I see what is written on the envelope—when it was written I took it from Rewman and gave it to Zibarski—the same was written on it that is there now—it was two or three lines; that is all I know about it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you remember a person of the name of Moses Packholder being examined as a witness against you and Rewman, it the Thames Police Court?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-83" type="given" value="LEOPOLD"/>LEOPOLD GOLDBERG</persName> </hi>. I have known Mr. Oscar Rewman about as long as I can remember, perhaps twenty-five years—I knew him in Berlin—I am a commission agent; I buy and sell cloth—I consider myself a fair judge of the quality and price of cloth—I remember going, with Mr. Rewman, to Mr. Barnard Harris's, in Leman Street, Whitechapel; I can't tell you the date, but it was about five or six weeks before Rewman was taken—I</p>
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<p>remember the circumstance of an address being written, but not of this address—Mr. Rewman wrote an address—when I went with him to Harris's shop, there was somebody else present—Harris went and spoke to him; I did not hear what he said—Harris came back—I don't exactly recollect whether he brought a piece of paper, but he spoke to Rewman, and Rew
<lb/>man went to a desk by one side of the door, and wrote an address, and gave it to Harris—I don't know whether he wrote an address: he note something on an envelope—I could not swear whether he made any remark to me, at the time, about the name on the envelope—when he had written it, according to my belief, it was passed from Harris to the man that was sitting in the shop—I don't think I could recognise the man again—I observed his appearance, he had the appearance of a Polish Jew; a long coat, a long beard, and so on; a poor person—it was my impression that Harris gave the envelope back to him—Rewman did not speak to the man, or have any conversation with him while I was there—I think there was a girl in the room behind the shop—when Rewman was to be tried I was here as a witness—before that I went to Mr. Wontner, who was attorney for Rewman—I began to make a communication to him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You were not examined at the Police Court?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I am a Christian—I was a Jew—I come from Prussia—it is perhaps fifteen years since I took to Christianity—I am a commission agent—I used to carry on business in Monkwell Street—I have no City address now, because I don't require it for my business—my address is 9, Caxton Road, Wood Green—I carry on my business in the City, but I don't require an address—I had an address in the City, in Monkwell Street, and Coleman Street, and Coleman Street—I gave up ray City address because I was unfortunate in business; that is about a year ago—it was something like 6000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 7000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I don't know what my estate pays; I gave up about 4000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; I don't know how much it has paid—the estate is in Central America—they have sent out to the French Consul, and I only passed my examination upon receiving an answer from him that my statement was correct—I don't know whether it has realized anything.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long were you in business before you failed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About two years—the cause of my failure was that I made a shipment to Central America, consigned to the son of the Vice President of Honduras, Lopez, to whom I was introduced by the Ambassador at Her Majesty's Court, here; it was not even negligence on my part that was the cause of my misfortune—I had references with this young man—I entrusted him with about 4000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of goods—I never received a farthing back; therefore I was obliged to suspend—I have passed my examination and got my discharge, in consequence of my statement being corroborated by the French Consul, in Central America—I had money of my own, and a friend advanced me 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., with which I traded.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-84" type="given" value="JOHN"/>ST. JOHN WONTNER</persName> </hi>. I acted as attorney for Mr. Rewman at the Police Court, when he was charged by the Russian Government—Mr. Warner Sleigh attended on behalf of the Russian Government, and made a statement of the case—in that statement, to the best of my belief, the envelope was alluded to; after that, and before the next examination, Mr. Rewman made a communication to me—Mr. Goldberg afterwards called upon me, and I believe I took down a statement from him in writing.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-85" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH STOCKER</persName> </hi>. I have been in the service of Mr. Harris for seven Years, come Christmas—I am still living with Mrs. Harris, but I am doing</p>
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<p>the tailoring—I remember being in the shop when the prisoner was there, and Mr. Rewman; it was five or six weeks before Mr. Harris was arrested; there was Mr. Harris, Mr. Rewman, another gentleman, and the prisoner in the shop—I cannot swear to the writing on this envelope; I remember some
<lb/>thing about an envelope—I saw the prisoner go up and speak to Mr. Harris; Mr. Rewman was looking over some cloths at the same time; and he went and spoke to Mr. Rewman, and went to the desk, took an envelope from the desk and gave it to Mr. Rewman; it was an envelope similar to this; I showed two of them at the time I was at the Police Court, to show they were similar—I saw Mr. Rewman writing on the envelope, and when he had done writing, he gave it to Mr. Harris, and Mr. Harris passed it to the prisoner—I am sure of that, I will take my oath of it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you still living with Mrs. Harris?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I lodge with her; I am not in service with her now—I work as a tailoress; I take work from the shop and take it home—I had known Zibarski several months, by coming there begging; he was there almost every day—I don't think my master ever went out with him—I could not say whether they went out together or not—they might have gone to have a glass of anything to drink, but I don't know anything about that—I have never seen them go out together, unless they went across to the public house—they might have gone out of the door together, whether they went further I don't know—I have seen them go out of the door together—Harris might not have come back immediately, perhaps—I did not go to the public-house—I can't tell how often they might have gone to the door together in this way—some
<lb/>times Zibarski stopped till I closed the shop at night, and then he went away—Mr. Harris did not go with him then; he would remain some hours, till 8 o'clock at night—I know Mr. Frankle, I have seen him there; the last time I saw him there was a month before Christmas—I did not see him there often; I have not seen him there since February—I can't say how often I have seen him there altogether, he very seldom came unless it was to buy some goods of Mr. Harris—if he came to buy cloth I packed it up and sent it by the rail—I assisted in the shop—I have seen Mr. Rewman there about three or four times, not more—he came to buy some cloth; he new came on any other occasion than to buy cloth—when he came, he always came to look at some cloth—the two envelopes that I took to the Police Court, I got from Mrs. Harris's writing desk—I asked for them, and she told me to take them—I asked for them because Mr. Rewman told me the; were speaking about the envelope which Harris gave to Zibarski, and I said I had got some similar—I had not seen the envelope produced before I saw it at the Police Court—I took the envelopes there to show that they were used in the business—Mr. Rewman told me to do so—he said, "Take some up with you, and show them"—he said that at the time he came to me to give him one—I gave him one similar to that—that was while Zibarski was in custody—I gave it him out of Mrs. Harris's desk.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were those envelopes similar to the one you have seen this morning?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, they were produced to the Magistrate.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-86" type="given" value="ESTHER"/>ESTHER COHEN</persName> </hi>. I reside with my father, at 62, Royal Mint Street—my father is a glass cutter—I remember the prisoner coming to ray father's house at the latter end of March—he said, "Mr. Cohen, do you like the tobacco?"—father said, "I don't care for it, because it is too dear for me"—I did not know anything about the tobacco before that—the prisoner said, "If this business don't suit you, I have a better business for you, which you can make</p>
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<p>a fortune by"—father said, "What is this business?"—he said "Can I talk before this person," meaning me—father said, "You are quite safe before her, she is my daughter"—then he said, "Do you buy
<hi rend="italic">shymers</hi>?" that if a Hebrew word, it means torn Hebrew books—he said, "Don't you know what I mean?"—father said, "No"—he took his pocket book out of his breast or some pocket, and took out four Russian notes—he said, "I mean this"—father said, "I don't know what that is"—he said, "These are Russian notes"—father said, "If these are good Russian notes you can get them cashed anywhere: you don't want me"—he said, "No, these are false, but they can pass for good"—so father said, "If you don't get out I shall break your neck, and the next time you come on such business I will have you locked up"—he said, "For heaven's sake, Mr. Cohen, you need not mention to anybody what I have been saying," and he went out—he was sent out by my father—I don't remember that he Motioned the value of the notes—he said, "I can export them to any amount, from three roubles to one hundred roubles"—two of the notes were red and two were blue—he said the blue were five roubles, and the red ten roubles.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How old are you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I shall be sixteen in December—be bad not known my father before, to my knowledge—I had never seen him but once—he was talking to father in the back parlour—I heard him, and father said he need not mind me as I was his daughter—he spoke in Hebrew
<lb/>German—father said, "I don't deal in such things, and if you don't go out I till have you locked up;" and he said he would break his neck—I never made a charge against anybody, not to my recollection—I have never been into any police Court—I have made a charge—that was twelve months ago, I believe—it was not against a man for attempting to ravish me; it was for indecently exposing himself—my father gave him into custody on my charge.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I believe you did not ultimately appear against him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not care about going into a Court—I had never been there, and I would not go—that was the reason, there was do other reason—the charge was true, on my solemn oath.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-87" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL COHEN</persName> </hi>. I am a glass cutter, and live in Royal Mint Street—I know the prisoner—I first saw him in March last—I did not deal with him—he gave me a sample of tobacco, to try whether it would suit me, at Mr. Harris's home—he saw me smoking, and gave me a sample—I saw him afterwards at my house in that same week—I can't say what day it was—it was between 2 and 3 o'clock—he came in and asked how I liked the tobacco—I told him I did not care about it, it was no business of mine—he said, "Very well, if that busi
<lb/>ness don't suit you, I have got some better business for you that you can make a fortune out of"—I said, "I should like to know what that business is"—he said, "Would you like to do business with any
<hi rend="italic">shymers</hi>?" that is a Hebrew word, meaning leaves from Hebrew books—I said "I do not deal in such things, it is no business for me, I am not a merchant in such a thing"—he said, "You are a foolish man if you don't understand what I am talking to you about; shall I show you a sample?"—I said, "Yes, you can show me"—my daughter was in the shop at the time, and he said, "Who is that young woman?"—I said, "That is my daughter"—he said, "Can we talk in Hebrew before her"—I said it was no harm, she was my daughter, I was not ashamed that she should see what it was—I said he could show me—he then took out his pocket book, or a paper; I did not take much notice; and he took out some Russian notes, and said, "That is the thing you can make your fortune out of"—he showed me five roubles and ten roubles—he said, "Any amount I can have if you want to do any business, from ten to one hundred roubles"—I told him that</p>
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<p>business did not suit me, and said, "Don't you come to my house any more on such business as that"—he said he could sell them to me at a shilling a piece very cheap—I told him I did not like such a business, and if he came on such a business again, I would kick him out, and give him in charge—he told me they would pass for good.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You were quite shocked at the suggestion?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I never did business with him—I did not know what it was at first, when he spoke about
<hi rend="italic">shymers</hi>—he explained afterwards that he meant forged notes
<lb/>I was very angry—I had only seen him once before, at Harris's place—I am no friend of Harris's—I went there to buy a bit of cloth—I have been a trouble—not for robbery—I was unfortunate—it was about an action—a man exposed himself before my daughter, and I did not go against him, because his wife came to me, crying bitterly, and begged mo not to do so—and he afterwards entered an action against me for false imprisonment—it was not a false charge—he recovered damages against me, 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I was examined—my daughter was not—we had no trial at all, and no notice of trial—I did not pay, because I was not able, and I went to Whitecross Street—I was never in prison except upon that occasion—I am quite sure of that—there was never anything about furs, that I swear—I was never tried.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say your damages were 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., what were the costs, do you remember how much it was altogether?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About 64
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 65
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I was not able to pay—we did not appear at all, because we had no notice of trial—I acted on the information my daughter gate me—I had witnesses, and I saw it myself—I did not go to the Police Court, because the man's wife came and cried bitterly for me not to go.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-88" type="given" value="MORITZ HARRIS"/>MORITZ HARRIS MOSES</persName> </hi>. I am a merchant, and carry on business at 14, Union Court, Old Broad Street, and have done so for about eight years—I know Zibarski—he has altered in his face, but he is the man, I know—I first saw him at Harris's place, in Leman Street—I am an acquaintance of Harris's, and have had dealings with him—I know Mr. Rewman—I have never been in company with him and Zibarski, and I never saw Frankle until the day he was brought to the Court—it is not true that Frankle, Rewman, and Harris were together with me conversing about Russian rouble notes, or anything of the kind—Zibarski came to me one night, at my office, at the latter end of May—I think about the 19th or 20th—he and Harris were outside my office, and when I came in they were standing there—Harris said, "Mr. Moses, this gentleman has some good bills that he wants to have an advance upon; can you make an advance?"—I said, "Let me see the bills?—Zibarski took out one bill, which was dated St. peters
<lb/>burg, it was a bill for 3200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I saw it in his hand—he did not mention the amount, but he gave one bill into my hand and then another—I examined them—he said, "I have here a Russian merchant, and he wants to buy some goods; and I have here some good bills; can you make me to advance upon them?"—I said I would make inquiries—I did make inquiry; I did not make any advance.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examited. Q.</hi> Had you known Harris before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, about six or eight years—I have done business with him—I am a merchant—I buy merchandize, and sell it again—if I can see to make a profit on certain goods, I buy and sell again—I deal in goods generally, merchandize, and I discount bills as well—I am a money-lender—I have an office and a warehouse as well—I have things in them—I have pictures, and all sorts—I</p>
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<p>have cloth—I deal in pictures, and in wine and brandy—not in cigars—if anyone offers cigars to me, and I can make a profit on them, I buy them—I buy what anyone offers me—I have clothes in my warehouse at this moment, and wine, and pictures, and marble ornaments, statuary—they do not go in the way of discounts—I buy them—I do not discount bills with wine and pictures—I pay money for them—I do not import, and I do not export—I do bills—I have had several transactions with Harris—I don't recollect advancing him 160
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I never had anything to do with engraved plates—I don't know what you mean—I never tried any speculation of Harris's about engraving plates—I don't recollect lending him 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., a cheque, or about that sum—I am quite sure of that—I have lent him money sometimes, sometimes 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., whatever he wanted, and when he had money to spare he gave it back to me—that was not a profitable business—I have known Rewman about eight years—I have done business with him of different kinds—if he wanted money I lent it to him, and he paid it whenever it was convenient—I have done that all the time I have known him—I have done nothing else for him—I have lent him money several times on his word—I did not take his bill—there was nothing between us but dealings in money—when he wanted money I lent it to him—I have not made up my accounts, so I don't know whether there is anything between us now—I am not finding any money for the expenses of this trial—I advanced some before he was arrested; not afterwards—it was about a fortnight before he was arrested—I can't say how much, without my books—I believe it was 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—it has not been paid yet, it is owing now—I never heard of his paying 800
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for Turkish and Italian Stock.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you know Rewman's late wife and family?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did—I was very intimate with him, indeed—I believe it was a little more than 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. that I lent him about a fortnight before his arrest—I have not lent him any since his arrest—he has not asked me—if he had I would have lent it to him, on his word only—I have been in England since 1853—no suggestion has ever been made of improper conduct against me.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, October</hi> 27
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1868.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-894-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude</hi>.</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES GRANT</hi> (65)</persName>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-895-offence-1 t18681026-name-100"/>David Goldstein</persName>, his master—</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-895-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi>.</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ALFRED BOULET</hi> (42)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18681026-896-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-896-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="burglary"/>, to bur
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-896-offence-1 t18681026-name-102"/>James Boone</persName> Rowe, with intent to steal—</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-896-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-896-punishment-18" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-896-18681026 t18681026-896-punishment-18"/>
<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi>.</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">FREDERICK COMLEY</hi> (19)</persName>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-897-offence-1 t18681026-name-104"/>Thomas Daniel</persName></rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-897-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-897-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-897-punishment-19" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-897-18681026 t18681026-897-punishment-19"/>
<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months' Imprisonment</hi>.</rs> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18681026-898" type="date" value="18681026"/>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ROBERT JOHNSON</hi> (30)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18681026-898-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="simpleLarceny"/>, to stealing a portmanteau, a coat, and other articles, of
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<hi rend="italic">also</hi> four portmanteaus, a bag, three bracelets, and other articles, of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-898-offence-1 t18681026-name-107"/>George Reynolds</persName></rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-898-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-898-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprison</hi>.</rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">RICHARD WILLIAM WAY</hi> (20)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18681026-899-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, to feloniously forging and uttering a bill of exchange for 278
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., with intent to defraud—</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-899-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Twelve Months'Im
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GUSTAVUS JULIUS CHARLES HARE</hi> (27)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18681026-900-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, to felo
<lb/>niously forging and uttering an order for 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; also an order for 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; also an order for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., with intent to defraud—</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-900-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-900-18681026 t18681026-900-punishment-22"/>
<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">PHILIP ARTHUR HAYNES</hi> **(28)</persName>, and
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JAMES BEAUMONT</hi>** (32)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18681026-901-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-901-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="housebreaking"/>, to breaking and entering the dwelling house of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-901-offence-1 t18681026-name-112"/>Samuel Pickering</persName>, and stealing therein 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., one seal, and one cigar case, his property; both haying been before convicted—</rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HAYNES</hi>>—
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<interp inst="t18681026-901-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-901-punishment-23" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-901-punishment-23" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="penalServitude"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-901-18681026 t18681026-901-punishment-23"/>
<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">BEAUMONT</hi>—.
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<interp inst="t18681026-901-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-901-18681026 t18681026-901-punishment-24"/>
<hi rend="italic">Ten Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES PEARCE"</hi> (16)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18681026-902-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="burglary"/>, to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-902-offence-1 t18681026-name-114"/>Sarah Price</persName>, and stealing six handkerchiefs, her property;
<hi rend="italic">also</hi> to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-902-offence-1 t18681026-name-115"/>William Henry Walker</persName>, and stealing therein, 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. his money, having been before convicted—</rs>
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<interp inst="t18681026-902-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-902-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>[Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]</rs>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-902-18681026 t18681026-902-punishment-25"/>
<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLOTTE BURGINS</hi> (35)</persName>
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<hi rend="italic">Fifteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">Eighteen Months' Imprisonment</hi> </rs>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MACRAE-MOIR</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">William Spires, Edward Sedgwick, John Phillips, and Robert Allison</hi> repeated their former evidence.—(See pages 506 and 507).</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How much have you seen floating down?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Very small quantities, a piece of wood sometimes—Andrews is a tenant of mine; I am his ground landlord—I had no reason for noticing the wood he was using—I was there sometimes an hour, and sometimes a couple of hours—there was some similar to this, and some old—I will undertake to say that some of it was like wood used for a platform; when I went the following day, I was told that the wood had been taken away from the walls by the police—I did not attend before the Magistrate actually as a witness—I was here on the last trial, but was not called—Wooden is a sawyer.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is it a fact that the case against Andrews on the last trial was stopped before I addressed the Jury?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-124" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS FLETCHER</persName> </hi>. I am a fisherman, at Egham, and have been many</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was it 500 yards above the railway bridge?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, the stream goes down—the police told me that they had found the owner of the wood—I never picked up a cart load of wood in a day, nor yet a barrow load.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know of your own knowledge, that fisherman do pick up wood and treat it as lost property; have you done it yourself?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, it is not valuable—the wood which I picked up above the iron bridge could not have been part of the wood which was under the dry arch; it could not have floated up; it must have floated from elsewhere.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you hear the splash of the wood you picked up when it was thrown into the water?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, it was forty or fifty yards from where I was sitting—I did not see where the splash came from; it its dark; it was 9 o'clock on Saturday night.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> At that time, 9 o'clock, were the prisoners in custody?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week the two—they have been on bail since the last Session, and are defended through the kindness of the clergymen of the place, and other persons.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you picked up wood?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, a dozen times in the last two or three years—pieces of timber frequently float down the river—I saw a good cartload floating about last Sunday week—I did not pick it up, I had not got my punt—if I lost a cartload of timber I think I should have a good deal of difficulty in getting it back.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Protection, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 386
<hi rend="italic">K</hi>). On 18th September, about 5 am, I was on duty in plain clothes in the Burnet Road, and saw the side gate of St. Alban's Lodge open—I went to the back and found these two bundles of wearing apparel, a dark lantern, a center stock, and a dagger (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) in the garden—I found another constable and a sergeant in the garden—on 19th October, about 6.30 p.m., I went to 11, Buck's Row, Whitechapel, and saw the prisoner—I said that I had received information that he had part of the proceeds of a burglary, which had been committed at East London College, at his house—he said, "A young man came here about two hours ago and left a bundle"—he went to the bed, removed the bed clothes,</p>
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<lb/>duced three forks and six plated spoons, saying, "This is the whole"—I had told him previously that I intended to search his place—I asked him whether he knew who the young man was, or where he lived—he said that he did not, but should know him if he saw him again.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 680
<hi rend="italic">K</hi>). On 18th September I was in the play, ground of Burnet House, and saw the kitchen window open—there were two marks of a center-bit on the shutters, and I found the stock of a centre-bit—a pane of glass had been out some time, and the shutters had been forced through the broken pane; they were seven feet wide; and the crossbar inside being pulled one way, and the shutters pulled the other, they had been forced and an entry obtained.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-133" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WARD</persName> </hi>. I am a pupil at Burnet House—the master then was Mr. James Haysman—this is my shirt, my name is on it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-134" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BELL</persName> </hi>. This is my shirt.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-135" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM PARSLOW</persName> </hi>. I am also a pupil—this is my shirt.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-136" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA PALMER</persName> </hi>. I am cook at East End Cottage, Burnet Road—one morning in September, I missed some spoons and forks, which were safe the night before—I fastened up the house at 9 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness for the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-137" type="given" value="ANN"/>ANN LOWMAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 11, Buck's Row—on Saturday, 19th Sep
<lb/>tember, I was at the prisoner's house all day—I was sitting at the door about 13.30, eating a piece of bread and butter, and the prisoner, was sitting on the floor, sorting his goods—a young man came in and asked him to mind a bundle for half an hour—we did not know what was in it—the prisoner did not get up, but said to his wife, "Jane, take them"—she took them and threw them on a chair—I moved them off the chair, and put them on the foot of the bed in the other room, because I was cleaning the room—my little boy took them up, and was playing with them—there were two or three forks, and two teaspoons—I took the forks and spoons and placed them in the bottom drawer—I gave evidence before the Magistrate—I did not know the young man, but I thought he looked very deplorable—I had a pot at my side, and I gave him a drop—I am not a charwoman—I had been helping to clean the house.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PATER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What relation are you to the prisoners?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He is my son in-law—he deals in locks and files, not in old clothes—only one bundle wag brought in—the child undid it by playing with it—no one put the shirts under the bed clothes—I placed them on the bed, they were there longer than an hour and a half—his wife put the bundle on the chair, and we both went out—after telling his wife to take care of the bundle he remained there an hour and a half, waiting for the young man to come for it, and then went out—he was not present when the child played with the bundle—he was not in the house when the child moved it—he did not know that the bundle had been disturbed—his wife was not in when the child played with the things—the spoons and forks dropped out, and I put them away—the bed was made—I will go on my knees and swear the prisoner was not at home.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you go before the Magistrate, when you heard the prisoner was in custody?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I went up to the Magistrate, but was not</p>
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<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been convicted at Clerkenwell, in 1864, to which he</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>.—
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-140" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN JONES</persName> </hi>. I am a baker, of 127, Queen's Road, Whitechapel—on 24th September, about 12.40 a.m., I was in Osborn Street, and saw the prisoner—I was going to ask what he wanted, but my arms were twisted, my legs tripped up, and the prisoner took my watch and money, and an 10 U for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from my brother—he did not hurt me, it was the others who twisted my arms and kicked my legs from under me—there were from four to six of them—my chain was broken off—one of them put his knee on my kidneys, and pulled me down—they ran away, and when I came-to I was robbed—I saw the prisoner next day at the Police Court with about even more, and knew him the moment I saw him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-141" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS ROBBINS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman H</hi> 119). I took the prisoner, and told him it was on suspicion of being concerned with four or five others in robbing Mr. Jones, in Osborn Street, Whitechapel—he said that he knew nothing about him—he was placed with seven others, and Jones pointed him out—to said at the Police Court that we had got it well up for him, and what he got he was able to do.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-907-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been convicted at Workship Street, in June</hi>, 1867,
<hi rend="italic">to which he</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>.**—
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<hi rend="italic">There was another indictment against him for a like offence</hi>).</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PATER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-143" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS DANIEL</persName> </hi>. I am an ironmonger, of 196, High Street, Poplar—on 23rd February, the prisoner called on me, and presented this order to my wife in my presence—I read it, and asked him where he got it—he said that I man outside gave it him—I sent a man to accompany him—(
<hi rend="italic">The order was for the delivery of bolts and locks to the bearer, signed Mr. Hall for Mr. Brooks</hi>)—I knew Messrs. Brooks and Ran.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-144" type="given" value="BENJAMIN"/>BENJAMIN RAN</persName> </hi>. I am a joiner, of 6, Dewsbury Street, Bromley—this document is not my writing—I never authorized anybody to sign it for me, and did not give it to the prisoner.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman K</hi> 434). I took the prisoner—he said that he had got the note from a young chap outside.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate</hi>: "A man said he would give me a shilling to get the things; I said I would. When I went out, the man was gone."</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 774). On 5th October I was on duty near the shipping office, Hammett Street, Minories, and saw the pri
<lb/>soner loitering about—I told him I believed he was wanted for robbing t marine of 29
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., about a month previously—he said, "All right"—I said, "You quite understand the nature of the charge against you?"—he said, "I hear what you say, but I know nothing at all about it"—I searched him at the station, but found nothing—he was placed between two others, and the prosecutor identified him—he gave a correct address, and said that be was in the marine's company on the day in question.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was not what he said, "It is quite true I was is his company on the day in question, but I know nothing of the robber?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said so when I apprehended him—I did not hear him say so at the station.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-149" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS STAINES</persName> </hi>. I am a private of the 100th Royal Marines, stationed at Woolwich—on Monday afternoon, 7th September, I came up to London Bridge, as I had two months' leave—I wanted a cab, but they were all on strike—I wanted to go to the Waterloo Road, but was bewildered because St. Thomas's Hospital was not there—the prisoner came up, and I said, "I cannot get a cab"—he said, "I will show you the nearest way"—I said, "All right, old
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi>," and I relied on him—we went across the river, and went to house after house, and at last I got tired of it, and said, "Look here, I am not going further with you, I have had enough of that sort; before I send you away we will have a glass of something else to drink"—we had a pint, or a half-pint, of sherry—I was going to have another; I pulled out my purse, and he snatched it away—there was five 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes in it, and four sovereigns—I was obliged to go book to Woolwich—I met the sergeant, who paid my fare back.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How many public-houses had you been into?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> One, before the Mitre—I did not stay there long; I did not leave Woolwich till 2 o'clock, and the robbery took place before 4 o'clock—I was not the worse for liquor—I did not have the chance to have any of the sherry, the prisoner
<hi rend="italic">mopped</hi> it all up—I had had nothing else all the time I was in his company, and was as sober as I am now—I went after the prisoner, and so did the publican—the door was shut, but on the hinge—the prisoner got away—I think there were two more people in the bar—I had paid for the first half-pint of sherry, but had not a chance to drink any of it—I was going to pay for another half pint—to the best of my know
<lb/>ledge, I had nothing to drink during the whole time I was in the prisoner's company, but I had a half-pint of beer at the canteen at Woolwich—I only went into one public-house with the prisoner; I am certain of that—I had something to drink in the prisoner's company at the Mitre—the sherry was are talking about—I did not say that I did not drink any of it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where have you come from? A. From the east Indies, and I saw an alteration at London Bridge; the hospital was gone, and it was all railings.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-150" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES THORPE</persName> </hi>. I keep the Mitre, 38, Fish Street Hill—on 7th Sep
<lb/>tember, the prisoner came in with the soldier—they called for a half-pint of sherry, which the soldier paid for, and he got a sip of it—another was called for, and the soldier felt in his pocket for odd money, but did not seem to have any—he took his purse out, opened it, and the prison</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was the door open?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, on the strap—I suppose he and the soldier, and the men with him, drank the sherry—there were six of them, all drinking together—they all came in together—I followed the prisoner; the soldier did not attempt to catch hold of him; he was not very sober.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did the others leave with the prisoner, leaving the soldier all alone?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, he was on one side of the bar, and I on the other—it was done in a moment—I had seen the prisoner there before.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-151" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN REED</persName> </hi>. I am a porter at the London Bridge Station—I have often seen the prisoner about there, taking boxes off
<hi rend="italic">busses</hi>, and taking them inside the station—on 7th September, about 4 p.m., I took a penny boat on the Surrey side, and saw the prisoner on board, and the soldier talking to him; and the man was with him who I had seen with him before—they got out at Paul's Wharf.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-909-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.**—
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18681026-910-offence-1 t18681026-name-153"/>Rebecca Helsdon</persName>, and stealing from her person a purse, 9
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DALY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<lb/>ampton Street, Strand, with the bag (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) on my arm—I heard somebody come behind me and pull my bag—I was struck on the mouth, tad knocked down, and two teeth knocked out, by a man, who ran away immediately—I got up directly, and called, "Stop thief!"—I am certain that the man who struck me took my bag—I afterwards saw the prisoner in custody, but did not know him—he is like the man who struck me, and the same size—I believe the prisoner to be the man, but I did not see his face—the bag had in it 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., in a purse, a half-pound of tea, and other things—when I got my bag the purse was gone.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. In what way am I like the man?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. By your Size and appearance.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-155" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-155" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY WARD</persName> </hi>. I am sixteen years old, and live at 13, Newcastle Street, Strand—I was standing at the corner of Burleigh Street, Strand, about 7 o'clock at night, heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and saw the prisoner running as fast as he could towards me, from Southampton Street, with this bag in his hand, and no cap on—I called, "Stop thief!" and saw him throw the bag away in Burleigh Street—I picked it up, and gave it to the sergeant—I saw the prisoner stopped, he is the man.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi>. You said, at the Police Court, that I went round the corner and threw the bag away; how could you see me?
<hi rend="italic">Witness</hi>. I followed you all the way.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-156" type="given" value="LWRENCE"/>LWRENCE BURKE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant</hi>). About 7.30, I was in Burleigh Street, and heard a cry of "Stop thief!"—the prisoner ran towards me without a hat—I planted myself in the centre of the street, he saw me, there being a public-house with great lights, and crossed over—I caught him on the other side, and said, "What's up?"—he was out of breath, and could not speak—Ward came up and said, "He has knocked down an old lady"—the prisoner said, "It was not me"—I took him to the station and found a life-preserver in his coat pocket, and an imitation gold Albert—after</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>. I was not out of breath. The life-preserver was presented to me by my father, who if a gamekeeper in Northamptonshire. I earn about 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week. I am not likely to go and knock an old women down. I saw a lady on the other side of the way; all in a moment, I saw a cluster, and heard screams. I was going to look at the lady. I was hit on the side of my head, and my hat knocked off; here is a lump now. When I got to the corner there were a lot of men in the street. I immediately ran across the street, and the policeman took me; not a person in Court can say anything wrong against me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-910-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-910-18681026 t18681026-910-punishment-32"/>Forty Stripes with the Cat</rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, October</hi> 28
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1868.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Byles</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Third Count</hi>.—That the murder was committed at Bordeaux, in France, and that the prisoner was a seaman on board the
<hi rend="italic">Hatfield Brothers. Fourth Count</hi>.—Same as third, only alleged that he was a British subject
<hi rend="italic">Fifth Count</hi>.—That the murder was committed on the high seas, and that the prisoner was a British subject.
<hi rend="italic">Sixth Count</hi>.—That it was committed on board a British ship, in a foreign port, namely Bordeaux.
<hi rend="italic">Seventh Count</hi>.—Same as fifth, but omitting the last allegation.
<hi rend="italic">Eighth Count</hi>.—That the prisoner was a subject of her Majesty, on land out of the United Kingdom, namely at Bor
<hi rend="italic">Ninth Count</hi>.—Murder in the ordinary form.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution; and</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Williams the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-159" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-159" type="given" value="JEFFERY"/>JEFFERY POWERS</persName> </hi>. I was one of the crew of the
<hi rend="italic">Hatfield Brothers</hi>—I joined her on her last voyage—she sailed from Philadelphia—she belonged to Yarmouth, Nova Scotia—she carried the English flag—William Hatfield was the master, the same person that I saw before the English Consul at Bordeaux—on 17th September the vessel was in the Garonne, on the 18th she anchored about half way up the river towards Bordeaux, near Panillac—she was afloat about 300 yards from the shore, on the nearest side—the river is about half a mile wide at that point—the tide flows there—the prisoner was one of the crew, also John Williams, the deceased—the crew consisted of four seamen, two mates, and the captain—the four seamen were myself, Wellesley, the prisoner, and Williams, the deceased—he was a bigger man than the prisoner—previous to this occurrence, on the 18th, the prisoner and the deceased were on good terms—up to that time the prisoner was well-behaved, and a quiet, orderly fellow—the deceased was in good health previous to this occurrence, doing his duty on board as usual—I did not see the commencement of the dispute between the prisoner and deceased on the 18th—Wellesley called me and said there was a row in the forecastle and to go in—I ran from the fore part of the ship to the forecastle, where they</p>
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<p>were, and saw the two men in a struggle together—the prisoner had only just come on board, we had been ashore, I went forward, and he went into the forecastle—when I went in they were struggling together—Anderson had Williams by the whiskers, and Williams had Anderson by the throat—they were on their feet at that time, they were standing about the middle of the forecastle—Williams said, "Take the knife, he has cut me; I did not think he had a knife"—I went between them and took the knife from them—they were both holding the knife—I held it in my hand, and opened the man's palms and had a look at the cut—I kept the knife in my hand about a minute before I hove it overboard—I thought it was the prisoner's knife, I did not know of my own knowledge—I took it out of both their hands—I afterwards found another knife on the forecastle; it was not in its proper place, it was in a place where we keep our pots and pans, a kind of shelf—it was naked—it is not here—it was put in Williams's bag among his clothes, it was his knife—we put it with his other things and sent them altogether to the Consul—it was a sheath knife—I found it about two or three feet from where the struggle took place—I did not look at it, to know whether it had been used recently—after separating them, I turned to Anderson, and said, "You have done it now"—Anderson said, "Why did he not let me alone?"—I went for a doctor—I saw a wound in Williams above the groin—I could not say on which side, I think it was on the right side, but I am not certain—it was about two inches long—I could not say whether it was a serious wound—when we opened his clothes it was all blood—I could see the mark of the cut, but I could not say how serious it was; blood was flowing from it—the prisoner was very excited at the time—I saw marks on him—his eye seemed a kind of swelling and blood underneath it—it appeared to be a recent injury—the doctor attended to Williams's wound, it was a doctor we got from Panillac—we went ashore and brought him on board—the ship was towed up to Bordeaux that night, and I saw Williams taken ashore there—I helped to take him—we only took him ashore, and there was a party there to take him to the hospital—I don't know the day of the month that we got to Bordeaux, it was the same day the accident happened—we put him ashore about 2 o'clock in the morning—the struggle occurred about 12 o'clock—I never saw him again alive—he seemed quiet when we left him—I did not think he would die—we were obliged to carry him—I afterwards attended before the Consul, at Bordeaux, twice—the captain was there on both occasions—the vessel was going to Bordeaux with staves—I don't know where she was going to from there—I left Bordeaux on 25th September—I saw the captain the day before—I left him at Bordeaux, in charge of the vessel—I came to this country in a steamer.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long had the prisoner served as a shipmate with you on board this vessel?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Five and a half months—he had served on board another ship with me—I have said of him that he was as generous a man as I ever met with, always ready to forgive—each of us had a knife—they were not knives that opened with a spring, but naked knives in sheaths—it might sometimes occur that the bottom of the sheath would wear out and the knife drop through—the place where the struggle took place was very narrow—the deceased was a good deal bigger and taller than the prisoner, and more powerful—I was examined twice before the Consul, and once before the Magistrate here—I have stated before to-day that Williams said, "I did not know that he had a knife"—I did not hear anything said, except Williams saying, "Take the knife"—at that time they each had hold</p>
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<p>of it with one hand—the prisoner was not much cut about the face—his eye was swelled, and a little blood underneath it—the blood was not trickling down, it was only just the mark of blood right across—whose blood it was I could not say—I did not see any marks on the deceased's face.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you afterwards see any wound on the prisoner, or any bruise?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I saw a cut on the knee—next day I saw that his eye was swelled, but there was no cut.</p>
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<interp inst="t18681026-name-160" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-160" type="surname" value="WELLESLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-160" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WELLESLEY</persName> </hi>. I was one of the seamen on board the
<hi rend="italic">Hatfield Brothers</hi>—I am an American, born in Virginia—I was on board on the Friday when this unfortunate affair happened—I first heard a noise in the forecastle, like two persons wrestling—I sung out to Powers, "You had better go to the forecastle"—I was sick at the time, but I followed shortly after him, and when I got to the forecastle I found the deceased, the pri
<lb/>soner, and Powers, all three standing there—I did not see anything of the knife then—the deceased said, "He has cut me"—I did not hear the prisoner say anything; in fact, I did not stay; as soon as I saw the cut, I ran out and fetched the captain—he went at once to the forecastle—I saw the deceased's wound before I went for the captain—I could not tell what sort of wound it was, it was all covered with blood, and I was too much excited—I saw that it was ail covered with blood, and there was something bulging out of it—I did not see any cut on the prisoner; I saw he had a black eye, as if he had had a blow—I afterwards saw he had a cut on his knee; I could not say on which leg it was—his trousers were cut; it was only a slight scratch—I never saw the deceased after he was taken ashore—I came to this country, with last witness, by direction of the Consul—the captain was left behind in charge of the vessel—I don't know where the vessel was bound to.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you heard the deceased grumbling at the prisoner that day?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; the night before I heard him say, "I will come and commence my old games again"—I don't know who he said it to; the prisoner and second mate were standing together—I have heard the deceased say that he had struck the mate and officers of other ships—the prisoner had sailed with me about five and a half months in this vessel—I always found him a quiet, inoffensive man—I had never sailed with him before—Williams was a good kind of man, only he was a little disagreeable at times—he weighed about 180 lbs., double the size of the prisoner.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-161" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-161" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-161" type="surname" value="DADE"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-161" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH DADE</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the office of the Registrar General of British Seamen, one of the departments of the Board of Trade—I produce some depositions which purport to have been taken before the British Consul at Bordeaux—I do not know where this vessel went to after she left Bordeaux—we have no record of her having been to this country; I can't say that we should have if she had been.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18681026-name-162" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-162" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-162" type="surname" value="WELLESLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-162" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WELLESLEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I came to London on 3rd or 4th October, in the steamer
<hi rend="italic">Aurora</hi>, in order to be a witness in this case—the captain was at Bordeaux on the 25th, when I left—the vessel was then discharging her cargo: his presence was necessary—I don't know whether she has left Bordeaux yet—the captain is a British North American.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected to the reading of the captain's deposition (tendered by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">under</hi> 17 & 18
<hi rend="italic">Vic., c</hi>. 104
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 270)
<hi rend="italic">on the ground that it must first be shown that he could not be found in the Queen's dominions</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that reasonable evidence had been given that the captain was not in this country, which was sufficient to satisfy the requirements of the</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">statute, and referred to "Reg. v</hi>. Conning," Sessions Paper, 3rd Session, vol. 67, p. 204.
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. JUSTICE BYLES</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered the evidence sufficient</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The deposition of the captain, Frederick Hatfield was then put in and read, certified by the Consul to have been correctly taken in presence of the prisoner, who was represented by counsel. It stated that on</hi> 18
<hi rend="italic">th September he had been ashore, and returned about</hi> 11.30
<hi rend="italic">or</hi> 12.0
<hi rend="italic">in the forenoon; that he had only sat down for a few minutes, when, hearing Wellesley call out "Run for the doctor," he went to the door of the forecastle, and saw Williams standing there holding his belly with both hands, and his clothes partly down; he was bleeding from a wound in the belly, from which his entrails were hanging out; that he directly went ashore for a doctor; that when he returned, he asked the prisoner why he had done such a deed, and he replied, if the man died he must be hung; that he put him in irons, and sent him to this country</hi>.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-163" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-163" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-163" type="surname" value="HICKMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-163" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HICKMAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Thames Police Inspector</hi>). From instructions I received, I went on board the
<hi rend="italic">Aurora</hi>, off Deptford, on Sunday, 4th October, and took the prisoner into custody—I took from his bag the trousers which I now produce—there is a cut on the right leg, just above the knee, about an inch in length—the trousers were amongst the things which I took possession of.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-164" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-164" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-164" type="surname" value="GIBSON"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-164" type="given" value="JOHN ROWLAND"/>JOHN ROWLAND GIBSON</persName> </hi>. I am surgeon of Newgate. After Anderson was brought to the prison he called my attention to two marks on his right knee—I examined them; they were marks of wounds, evidently inflicted by some cutting instrument—it is impossible to say distinctly within what time they were inflicted, but I should say within a few weeks—one was a small wound beneath the knee-cap, not half an inch in length, a transverse wound; the other was quite three-quarters of an inch long, lower down, on the outer circle of the knee.</p>
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<persName id="t18681026-name-165" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18681026-name-165" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-165" type="surname" value="PARSONS"/>
<interp inst="t18681026-name-165" type="given" value="WILLIAM CHAMPION"/>WILLIAM CHAMPION PARSONS</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the Custom-house, Lon
<lb/>don—I produce a duplicate of the registration of the
<hi rend="italic">Hatfield Brothers</hi>; it is a certified copy—it is registered as a British ship, "Port of registry, Yarmouth, N. S.," that is, "Nova Scotia," British built, 200 tons, Frederick Hatfield, captain and part owner, No. 51, 997.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate was read as follows</hi>:—"I have not murdered the man—the man followed me into the forecastle and attacked me—I was sitting on a chest cutting tobacco—the deceased said, "Who were you talking to when ashore?"—I said, "To you"—he said, "I will never give you a chance to talk like that to me again"—he took me by the throat and dashed me down on the cheat, striking me all the time with his other hand: I had no chance—I put my hand behind me. to save myself—it lighted on the bunk, where I put my knife and tobacco—I was almost senseless at the time—he stopped my breath completely—I can't say how the knife was used—I knew nothing more till Powers came—I was cut myself in the leg, twice; I showed it to Powers."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that there was no can for the Jury; first, because the prisoner was not a British subject. [He had, on arraignment, stated himself to be an American, and elected to be tried by an English Jury]—and on the authority of "Rex v</hi>. De Pando," 1st Taunton,
<hi rend="italic">also reported in</hi> Russell and Ryan,
<hi rend="italic">p</hi>. 134,
<hi rend="italic">and "Q. v</hi>. De Matos," 7, Carrington and Payne, 458,
<hi rend="italic">there was no jurisdiction in this Court to try an alien for an offence com
<lb/>mitted in a foreign country. As to the Counts alleging the offence to be committed on the high seas, the evidence showed the vessel to be in the port of Bordeaux</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">after referring to the cases cited, in both of which it was clear the person charged was not a British subject, submitted that there was no evi
<lb/>dence that the present prisoner was not a British subject; but that, being on board a British ship, in this river, "where the tide ebbs and flows, and where great ships go," he must be so considered. If the offence had been committed when the ship was on the high seas, he would dearly be answerable to the law of this country, because the flag carried with it a territorial jurisdic
<lb/>tion, and for the purposes of criminal procedure, he would be a subject of Her Majesty. The question was, whether he ceased so to be when the ship entered this river, where the tide ebbs and flows. He contended that as the man served under the protection of the English flag, and acted as a seaman in as English ship, he owed allegiance to Her Majesty, and was, for that purpose, a British subject. (See</hi> "Rex
<hi rend="italic">v</hi>. Allen," 1st Moody's Crown Cases, 494,
<hi rend="italic">and</hi> 7 Car. and Payne, 664).
<hi rend="italic">He also referred to</hi> "Kent's Commentaries on American Law," vol i., page 400 (10
<hi rend="italic">th edition), to show that the American Legislature had enacted a similar law to that contained in</hi> 17 & 18 Vic,
<hi rend="italic">c</hi>. 104
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 267.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. JUSTICE BYLES</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">"My impression is strongly in favour of the prosecess
<lb/>tion, but, lest I should labour under a mistake, with this complication of statutes and decisions, I think it is open to allow you to have a case, if it becomes necessary. I think the prisoner is rightly tried here: it seems to me that a ship is a floating island, and the prisoner, being a seaman on board, is as much under the law as if this happened in the Isle of Wight</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The statutes referred to were</hi> "The Merchant Seamen's Act" 17 & 18 Vic,
<hi rend="italic">c</hi>. 104
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 267; 18 & 19 Vic,
<hi rend="italic">c</hi>. 91
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 21;
<hi rend="italic">and</hi> 30 & 31 Vic,
<hi rend="italic">c</hi>. 124
<hi rend="italic">