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<p>CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</p>
<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>GABRIEL, MAYOR.</p>
<p>ELEVENTH SESSION, HELD SEPTEMBER 23RD, 1867.</p>
<p>MINUTES OF EVIDENCE,</p>
<p>TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND BY</p>
<p>JAMES DROVER BARNETT</p>
<p>AND</p>
<p>ALEXANDER BUCKLER,</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>ROLLS CHAMBERS, No. 89, CHANCERY LANE.</p>
<p>THE POINTS OF LAW AND PRACTICE</p>
<p>REVISED AND EDITED BY</p>
<p>EDWARD T. E. BESLEY, ESQ.,</p>
<p>OF THE MIDDLE TEMPLE, BARRISTER-AT-LAW.</p>
<p>LONDON:</p>
<p>BUTTERWORTHS, 7, FLEET STREET,</p>
<p>Law Publishers to the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty.</p>
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<p>THE</p>
<p>WHOLE PROCEEDINGS</p>
<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>OYER AND TERMINER AND GAOL DELIVERY</p>
<p>FOR</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>AND GAOL DELIVERY FOR THE</p>
<p>COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, AND THE PARTS OF THE COUNTIES OF ESSEX, KENT, AND SURREY WITHIN THE JURISDICTION</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT,</p>
<p>Held on Monday, September 23rd, 1867, and following days,</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. SIR</hi>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-2" type="given" value="EDWARD MONTAGUE"/>EDWARD MONTAGUE SMITH</persName> </hi> Knt., One of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-3" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT LUSH</persName> </hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench;
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<lb/>men of the said City;
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GABRIEL, MAYOR. ELEVENTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<p>
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<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, September</hi> 23
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1867.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS</hi>
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<p>find it on the file at home"—I said, "Where are going to take it to?"—he said, "I am going by the boat to Woolwich"—I said, "Don't have a laugh at me if I let you go this time," or words to that effect; "I will give you the benefit of the doubt"—we allowed him to pass, but watched him—he did not go in the direction of the pier from which the boats start, he went in the direction of Cheapside—we followed and stopped him a second time—I said, "This is not the way to Woolwich: where are you going to?"—he said, "To Woolwich"—I said, "What is the man's name?"—he said, "I don't know"—I said, "What is the name of the street?"—he said, "I don't know"—I said, "Then where are you going to?"—he said, "I am going home"—I said, "We shall take you to the station, as this is not satisfactory"—we took him to the station and charged him with the unlawful possession of the paper—Legg searched him in my presence, and found in his pocket this piece of paper, of the same pattern as the thirty pieces—we went to search the prisoner's house, it is a leaving shop in Golden Lane—articles of wearing apparel were hanging about, but no paper-hangings, or any receipts relating to any—we traced the paper-hangings to the prosecutor, and their managing man identified them—I know a man named Hooper, and have tried to apprehend him, but he has absconded.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was he carrying the parcel as it is now?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, it was wrapped in brown paper; it was left at the station, but could not be found this morning.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-27" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES MARKHAM</persName> </hi>. I am a jobbing porter, and live in Crown Court, Bell Alley, Goswell Street—I stand at the corner of Bow Lane, Cannon Street—I know the prisoner by sight—during the last two or three months I have seen him frequently in the neighbourhood; he has got a little girl that he was bringing up in the same line—I know pretty well all the persons employed at Messrs. Potter's, I know Hooper—I have frequently seen him and the prisoner drinking together during the last two or three months—I have seen the little girl at those times while the prisoner has been round the corner, and he has been at the warehouse making signs for Hooper to come out—on 9th August I saw the prisoner outside the Skinners' Arms at the corner of Bow Lane, and the girl with him—I went in to the Skinners' Arms at one o'clock to have my dinner, and was there till about twenty minutes to two—the prisoner and Hooper were in the other compartment drinking together—I did not see them leave, but when I came out I saw the officers and the prisoner going down the lane towards the station with the parcel—after the prisoner had gone to the station the little girl came down crying, she went into Mr. Potter's and fetched Hooper out; Hooper stood at the corner of Aldermary Churchyard, the child went towards the police-station—Hooper waited till the officers came out of the station, and then he and the child went away; they were gone about an hour—they came back about three o'clock—Hooper strolled about and at last went into the warehouse, and I saw no more of him.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-28" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-28" type="surname" value="WILLIAM"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-28" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WILLIAM</persName> </hi>. I am a surgeon in Bow Lane, City—I have known James Hooper for some years in the service of Mr. Potter—I do not know the prisoner, I don't think I saw him before 9th August; I saw him that day at the Crown Hotel in Bow Lane as I passed up stairs to get my dinner there; he was talking and drinking with Hooper—I did not see any child—I saw a parcel of about this size and appearance—I am sure Hooper was there at the time; I spoke to him, and he touched his hat and spoke to me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-29" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT TURNER</persName> </hi>. I keep the Skinners' Arms, 53, Cannon Street, next door to Mr. Potter's—I have known the prisoner by sight twelve months—I have seen him very frequently at my house with Hooper—on 9th August the prisoner came there about twelve or one—he remained there about half an hour, when Hooper came.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-30" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-30" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN LINDSAY</persName> </hi>. I am the London manager of
<hi rend="largeCaps">J. J</hi>. Potter and others, paper makers, 51, Cannon Street—the stock of paper-hangings was taken on 21st July—at that time we had 485 pieces of this pattern—on 9th August, after the prisoner was in custody, we recounted them and found ourselves fifty-five short—Hooper was a packer in our employment at 25
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or 26
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—he had authority to sell goods—on 9th August I was at the warehouse—Hooper was paid weekly, every Friday evening—I saw him that evening—one of the clerks paid him his wages—I ordered them to be paid—that was after the police came to us, but we did not suspect him at that time—he gave us no intimation that he was going to leave—he did not return—I have never had any transaction with the prisoner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You are in a very large way of business?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> We are—this paper is made for other houses besides ours—I will not under
<lb/>take to swear positively that this is ours.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you shown the brown paper covering?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and the string it was tied with—they corresponded in every way with oars, and the bundle was tied in the peculiar way in which we tie them—we do not sell thirty pieces without giving an invoice or receipt.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">He further</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to a previous conviction at this Court in February, 1853.**—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Stevens.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-34" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH UPTON</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of George Upton, tobacconist, of 51, Church Street, Stoke Newington—on 5th September Browning came in with another man who is not here, who asked for two penny cigars, and gave me a shilling—I gave him the change, and they went out together—Kennedy then came in—I examined the shilling and bent it with my teeth—I had put it in the till—there was only copper there—Kennedy went out and brought Browning back—I said that he had passed a bad shilling—he said that it was not him, he did not pay for the cigars, it was his companion—I said that the best thing he could do was to give me a good shilling, and I should take no further notice—I said, "I know it was not you, it was your mate"—he produced his purse and showed me that he had money, but refused to pay—I gave him in custody with the bad shilling, which he broke in two pieces, and I picked them up.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Browning. Q.</hi> Do you recollect saying, "It was not the butcher, it was the other?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—a woman with a child was in the shop, and you said that in consequence of her insolence you would not pay, although you had good money in your purse—I told the policeman I could not charge you, because you were not the man who gave me the shilling—he said that you were one of the two, and you were as bad as the other.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-35" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE KENNEDY</persName> </hi>. I am a carpenter, of Stoke Newington—I saw the three prisoners in Church Street, about 3.30, and another man fifty yards from Mr. Upton's—I saw Browning go in with another one, Stevens waited outside, and Jones went to the other side of the road—I went into</p>
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<p>the shop and met them coming out—Mrs. Upton showed me a bad shilling—I followed the prisoners and found the four together—I asked Browning to come back, aud she identified him by his smock—when I returned, eight or ten minutes afterwards, the others had gone on—Browning said that he was not the man who had given the shilling—I went for a constable, and met Stevens with an overcoat on his arm, and directly I had passed him he ran away—I followed him—he turned up Pawnbroker's Alley, and when I got there Jones was in the act of putting on the coat which Stevens had—I seized Stevens and gave him to a constable—while they were in the dock at the station I saw Browning nudge Stevens to look across the road—I looked across and identified Jones on the other side of the street talking to two young chaps—he was taken.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> If the shilling had been given back would you have given any of them in custody?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, Mrs. Upton told them so—Stevens was a mile from the shop, coming towards me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Browning.</hi> Did not she say, "It was not the butcher, it was the other one only; I identified the butcher by his blue smock?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Jones.</hi> He says we were a mile from the shop, and Mrs. Upton says the police station is only five minutes' walk from the shop.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> It is a mile.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-36" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-36" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-36" type="surname" value="CRAMINS"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-36" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES CRAMINS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 71
<hi rend="italic">N</hi>). On 5th September, about a quarter-past four, Kennedy spoke to me and brought Stevens—I took him to the station—I took Browning and told him he was charged with being con
<lb/>cerned with another, not in custody, in passing bad money—he said, "I did not pass the shilling, it was the other one"—I took him to the station, searched him, and found a purse, three shillings and four pence good money, and a bad shilling in one of his boots—I then searched Stevens, and found three half-crowns, two florins, and three shillings, and in his trousers pocket two bad shillings, in his side jacket pocket three fourpenny pieces, one threepenny piece, 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, three duplicates, seven new paper collars, four keys, seven papers of tobacco screws, and a bottle of hair oil—1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. altogether—there were thirty sixpences in addition on him—on Jones I found a halfpenny and a key.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Browning. Q.</hi> When I was taken to the station did not the police sergeant say he heard something rolling down the leg of my trousers?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I took it out of your boot—the inspector tried all the coin found on Stevens, and on recounting it I found the two counterfeit shillings.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was there a remand?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I said nothing about the two counterfeits on the first examination, but I afterwards discovered them—I had examined the money and given my evidence before I found they were counterfeit.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where had you kept the money before the remand?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was tied up, and the inspector had it in his custody—he is not here, but I found it before I handed it over to him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-37" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-37" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This broken shilling is bad—these three others are all bad, and from one mould, but not the same mould as the broken one.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Browning's Defence.</hi> These two prisoners are perfect strangers to me. Stevens was selling combs, and asked me to buy one, which I did, and gave him 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. He gave me a penny and a threepenny bit. We then went to buy some cigars, and overtook Jones. Somebody called out "Heigh!" and said, "You are wanted." I said, "What for?" He said, "The woman wants you at the shop you have just come from." I went back, and the woman said, "Where is your
<hi rend="italic">pal</hi>?" I said, "I believe he is in the street; lock</p>
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<p>him up." A woman in the shop was very impudent, and I said that, though I had money, I would not pay her. I was locked up.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-859-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, September</hi> 23
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1867.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<p>860.
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-39" type="given" value="ARCHIBALD JENKINS"/>ARCHIBALD JENKINS BOWDON</persName> </hi>. I am a fruiterer, of 31, Lower Rosoman Street, Clerkenwell—on 23rd August the prisoner and a woman named Stanley came to the front of my shop—I served Stanley with a pound of apples, she gave me a bad sixpence—I bit it, and said, "This is bad, we have been taking a great deal of this money lately, I must know more about it"—Stanley said, "I know where I took it from, we were going to the workhouse to see our mother"—she asked for it back—I said, "No"—Taylor said, "I will pay for the apples," gave me a penny, and made off—I sent Tait after her and detained Stanley—my man came back soon, and almost immediately a young man from the pawnbroker's brought a blue bag, which he said that Taylor, who had a child with her, had left in his shop—I gave them in custody with the sixpence and the bag, which was opened and turned out into a scale—they both tried to get hold of it—I did not see what coin it was, as each was screwed up in tissue paper—they were not undone till the prisoner came.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-40" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD TAIT</persName> </hi>. I am in Mr. Bowdon's employment—he called me on 23rd August, and I saw a mob round the door—Stanley was there, and I went and overtook Taylor, who was going fast in the direction of the workhouse, but she turned to the right—I did not lose sight of her, she went into a pawnbroker's shop in Exmouth Street, Mr. Sill's—I followed her in, and saw her hiding in a dark corner—I called her out, and said, "My master wants you"—she said, "What for? I am going to see my mother at the workhouse, and if I am not there soon I shall be too late"—I took her back; the pawnbroker's assistant came to my master's shop, and said in her presence, "Look what this woman has left," holding a blue bag in his hand—the constable turned it out into the scale, and there was a lot of money in it—Stanley
<hi rend="italic">grabbed</hi> at it, and said, "You shall not have them all, you b----s."
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN GURR</hi>. I am assistant to Sill and Moore's, pawnbrokers, of Exmouth Street—I was there when the woman came in, and saw her put her hand under a petticoat which was on the counter—somebody said, "I want you"—I turned over the petticoat, and saw a little blue bag rolled up—I asked if it belonged to anybody, the officer turned it out, and it was counterfeit coin—I also found two sixpences wrapped in a piece of rag where she had been standing—I handed them to the officer.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-41" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BRIGHT</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman G</hi> 172). The prisoner was given into my charge with this bad sixpence, and this blue bag containing four sixpences and a bad shilling wrapped separately in tissue paper—I emptied the bag into the scale in the shop, and Stanley snatched at it; all the pieces but one fell on the floor—I picked them up—I received from Gurr a rag containing two sixpences—Taylor was searched and 4 1/2
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<p>copper, a duplicate, and a purse were found on her—Stanley said that it was her first time, three farthings were found on her.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-42" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of coin to her Majesty's Mint; these sixpences are bad, and this is a bad shilling—here are two sixpences of 1866, from the same mould, one of which is the one tendered to Bowdon.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MARY TAYLOR</hi> </persName> was
<hi rend="italic">again</hi> indicted, with
<persName id="def2-861-18670923" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def2-861-18670923" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="def2-861-18670923" type="age" value="36"/>
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<interp inst="def2-861-18670923" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">MARY ANN STAN
<lb/>LEY</hi> (36)</persName>
<rs id="t18670923-861-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-861-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-861-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, for a like offence.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-45" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-45" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-45" type="surname" value="BOWDON"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-45" type="given" value="ARCHIBALD"/>ARCHIBALD J BOWDON</persName> </hi> and
<hi rend="smallCaps">RICHARD TAIT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">repeated their former evi
<lb/>dence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-46" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-46" type="surname" value="GURR"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-46" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN GURR</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">repeated his former evidence, and added</hi>, when Taylor came into the shop I saw a blue bag in her hand—I did not mention that in the last case, but I mentioned it before the Magistrate.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-47" type="surname" value="BRIGHT"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-47" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BRIGHT</persName> </hi> and
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM WEBSTER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">repeated their former evidence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">TAYLOR</hi>
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<interp inst="t18670923-861-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-861-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi> </rs>.**—
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<interp inst="t18670923-861-punishment-8" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-861-punishment-8" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-861-18670923 t18670923-861-punishment-8"/>
<hi rend="italic">Two Years' Imprisonment.</hi> </rs>
<hi rend="largeCaps">STANLEY</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18670923-861-verdict-2" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-861-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-861-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18670923-861-punishment-9" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-861-punishment-9" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-861-punishment-9" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-861-18670923 t18670923-861-punishment-9"/>Eight Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<p>862.
<persName id="def1-862-18670923" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-862-18670923" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="def1-862-18670923" type="age" value="20"/>
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<interp inst="def1-862-18670923" type="given" value="SARAH"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">SARAH HALL</hi> (20)</persName> was indicted
<rs id="t18670923-862-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-862-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-862-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/> for a like offence.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-49" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-49" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-49" type="surname" value="THYER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-49" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE THYER</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the South-Western district post-office, Buckingham Gate—on 5th August the prisoner came in for some postage-stamps—I do not remember how many, but she put down several silver coins, among which after she left I found a bad crown—I kept it by itself and afterwards gave it to Mr. Steele.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-50" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-50" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-50" type="surname" value="STEELE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-50" type="given" value="JAMES FREDERICK"/>JAMES FREDERICK STEELE</persName> </hi>. I am assistant in the money-order office, Buckingham Gate—on 9th August, about 7.30 p.m., the prisoner came and asked for three shillings' worth of stamps—she gave me a good sixpence and a bad half-crown—I did not examine it till she had left—I bit it in half and handed it to the constable—on the following Monday, about 9.30, she came again—I recognised her as she entered the office—she asked for 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. worth of postage-stamps and placed some coins on the counter, among which I found a bad half-crown—I had not parted with the stamps—I ran round and told her it was bad—she said that it was not—I said you were here last Friday—she said, "Yes"—I said, "You passed me a bad half-crown"—she said, "No, I had no bad money"—I gave the half-crowns to the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> It is false, he never asked me any questions about being there on Friday. I was never in the shop before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-51" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-51" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-51" type="surname" value="RICKARD"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-51" type="given" value="JONATHAN"/>JONATHAN RICKARD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 70
<hi rend="italic">B</hi>). The prisoner was given into my charge—I received two crowns and one half-crown from Mr. Steele—I told her the charge—she said that she took it from a gentleman over night—a halfpenny and a purse were found on her.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-52" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-52" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-52" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-52" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are all bad, and the two crowns are from the same mould.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18670923-862-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-862-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-862-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18670923-862-punishment-10" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-862-punishment-10" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-862-punishment-10" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-862-18670923 t18670923-862-punishment-10"/>Twelve Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<p>863.
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<interp inst="def1-863-18670923" type="age" value="18"/>
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<interp inst="def1-863-18670923" type="given" value="JOHN"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN ROBINSON</hi> (18)</persName> was indicted
<rs id="t18670923-863-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-863-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-863-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/> for a like offence.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-54" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-54" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-54" type="surname" value="VALE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-54" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH VALE</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Pulford, a trimming-seller, of Newgate Street—on 31st August I sold the prisoner a pair of brace ends, which came to sixpence—he gave me a florin—I told him it was bad—he</p>
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<p>said, "Dear me, is it? give it here"—I said, "No, I had rather not," and handed it to Mr. Hand, a friend of mine, who went out with it to fetch a constable, and I gave the prisoner in charge, with the florin, which I had marked.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-55" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-55" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-55" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-55" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT SMITH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Police Sergeant</hi> 39). I was called, took the pri
<lb/>soner, and received this florin (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—he was taken to the station and discharged by the Magistrate at Guildhall, about 2 or 2.30 on 31st August.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-56" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-56" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-56" type="surname" value="CRATE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-56" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS CRATE</persName> </hi>. I live with ray parents at 11, Essex Road, Islington—they keep a confectioner's shop—last Friday five weeks, about a quarter to eight p.m., the prisoner came for one ounce of the best cough lozenges—I said that I had not got them in stock, and he bought something else, either three halfpenny worth or twopence halfpenny worth, and gave me a florin—I put it in the till and gave him change—there was 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. worth of small silver there, but no florin—he left, something was said to me and I found that the florin was bad two minutes afterwards—I could then see him on the other side of the way—we kept the florin till next morning, when my mother bent it and threw it in the fireplace—on Saturday, 31st August, about 9 p.m., the prisoner came again for some of the best cough lozenges, but I had none—a gentleman followed him in; he seemed rather confused and did not attempt to make any purchase, and when the gentleman went away he came back and bought an ounce of pear drops and an ounce of other drops, which came to three halfpence—he gave me a florin—I said, "This is another of the same sort you brought me one before"—he said, "You make a mistake"—I called my father, a constable on duty was passing, he was called in, and the florin was given to him—it had never gone out of my sight.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-57" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-57" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-57" type="surname" value="CRATE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-57" type="given" value="CAROLINE"/>CAROLINE CRATE</persName> </hi>. I am the mother of the last witness—I was in the shop when my danghter served him in the middle of August—as soon as the prisoner had gone I spoke to my daughter, who went to the till and found a bad florin—I kept it tell next morning, showed it to a friend, and then broke it and threw it in the fireplace—I was in the shop on the 31st when the prisoner came in—I recognised him, saw my daughter serve him, and saw a florin in her hand—I have heard what she says, it is correct.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-58" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-58" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-58" type="surname" value="UNSTEAD"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-58" type="given" value="NICHOLAS"/>NICHOLAS UNSTEAD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 270
<hi rend="italic">M</hi>). I was called and took the prisoner—I told him the charge—he said that he knew nothing of it—I received this florin.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-59" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-59" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-59" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-59" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These two florins are bad, and from the same mould.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18670923-863-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-863-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-863-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18670923-863-punishment-11" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-863-punishment-11" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-863-punishment-11" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-863-18670923 t18670923-863-punishment-11"/>Two Years' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18670923-864" type="date" value="18670923"/>
<join result="criminalCharge" id="t18670923-864-charge-1" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-864-18670923 t18670923-864-offence-1 t18670923-864-verdict-1"/>
<p>864.
<persName id="def1-864-18670923" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-864-18670923" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="def1-864-18670923" type="age" value="20"/>
<interp inst="def1-864-18670923" type="surname" value="CLARK"/>
<interp inst="def1-864-18670923" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOSEPH CLARK</hi> (20)</persName>
<rs id="t18670923-864-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-864-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-864-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession, with intent to utter it.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prose
<lb/>cution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CUNNINGHAM</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-61" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-61" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-61" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-61" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Webster, of 7, Suther
<lb/>land Place, Pimlico—on 16th August, between eleven and twelve o'clock, I was at the door and saw the prisoner with a fish barrow—I bought some eels of him, which came to 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I gave him a florin with a hole in it—he said that he had no change, but would call again in a quarter of an hour for the money—he went to No. 12 opposite—I laid down the florin and then saw that it was not mine—my fingers became black with it, and I found it was bad—I went over to No. 12 and accused him—he said that he had no other florin about him—I held the florin out to show him, and he took it out of my hand, pulled a handful of silver out of his pocket and gave me a shilling—I said, "You vagabond, you have been passing bad</p>
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<p>money; how came you to say you had no change?"—he went away and I went indoors, and afterwards a policeman came.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was it nearer eleven than twelve?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Nearer to twelve; but I should say it was not twelve—he promised to return in a quarter of an hour, but a quarter of an hour had not elapsed, not more than five minutes, nor had he left the locality—I saw sixteen or seventeen other shillings in his hand when he gave me the shilling—I am certain the prisoner is the man—I had never seen him before—I saw him again on the following Tuesday among other persons, and picked him out directly I saw him—he was not pointed out to me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-62" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-62" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-62" type="surname" value="REYNOLDS"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-62" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES REYNOLDS</persName> </hi>. I am eleven years old, and live with my parents in Rochdale Rpw—I have known the prisoner three years—on 16th August I was with a boy named Croxon in Sutherland Terrace between half-past eleven and twelve o'clock, going towards Ebury Bridge, and saw the pri
<lb/>soner run from Sutherland Street into Sutherland Terrace with his coat and waistcoat off—he had not got his barrow—he put his hand in his pocket and put something down a grating opposite Mr. Pearce's coffee shop—it was like silver, like a half-crown with some sand on it—I heard it drop on the sink from his hand—it jingled like silver—he then ran back the way he came—I was about six yards from the grating—I went to it, and tried to fish up what he had dropped, but could not reach—Mr. Pearce got a pair of tongs and pulled up two half-crowns and two florins—I saw some silver sand about, such as fish-dealers carry with them—I went and looked for the prisoner—Mr. Pearce came round the corner, and when he saw him he ran away from me towards Clarendon Street—I saw no one pass the grating between the time he dropped it and the time we picked it up—there was only one man in the street, standing near the public-house.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How often were you before the Magistrate?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Twice—I stated the first time that I saw something like silver down the grating—the investigation did not take place on the day the money was passed—I am quite sure I told the Magistrate right—Mr. Smith cross-examined me—the prisoner was remanded—on the second occasion I said, "I told the Magistrate on the first examination that I did not see what was put down the sink hole"—I did say on the first examination that I saw something the size of a florin drop from his hand, and on the second ex
<lb/>amination I said the same—I saw something white—I told the Magistrate I did not think it was money—it looked like silver—I never saw fish scales as large as a half-crown.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-63" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-63" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-63" type="surname" value="CROXON"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-63" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD CROXON</persName> </hi>. I am shopboy to Mr. Harding, a baker, of Hendos Street, Pimlico—I was with Reynolds—I have heard what he has said—it is correct—I have often seen the prisoner about Pimlico selling things—I did not see what he dropped in the grating, but I heard money jink on the bottom of the drain—I looked, and saw a sort of brown sand on the coin, such as they use for holding eels.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-64" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-64" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-64" type="surname" value="PEARCE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-64" type="given" value="JESSE"/>JESSE PEARCE</persName> </hi>. I keep a coffee-house at 2, Sutherland Terrace—on 16th August the two boys came to my shop, and in consequence of what they said I went to a grating in front of my house, looked down, and saw part of a florin or half-crown—it was partly covered with sand—I got a pair of tongs and fished up two bad half-crowns and two florins with silver sand on them—I gave them to Spurgeon.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-65" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-65" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-65" type="surname" value="SPURGEON"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-65" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES SPURGEON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 320
<hi rend="italic">B</hi>). Mr. Penrce handed me these two half-crowns and two florins—there was a little sand on them—I went to</p>
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<p>Mrs. Webster, who told me something—the boys described the prisoner to me, and I saw him on the 20th in Lillington Street—he said he sup
<lb/>posed he must go—I found on him 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in silver and 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 0 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper—he gave a correct address.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-66" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-66" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-66" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-66" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These two florins are bad, and from the same mould—these two half-crowns are bad, and from the same mould.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-67" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-67" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-67" type="surname" value="CLARK"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-67" type="given" value="JULIA"/>JULIA CLARK</persName> </hi>. I live at 1, Francis Street—the prisoner is my stepson—on Friday, 16th August, I saw him at a quarter or twenty minutes to twelve—I am positive it was a quarter, if not twenty minutes—he called at my house, my being newly married—he remained some minutes, and left about twelve—I saw him again between two and three, and also between twelve and two, but I can hardly say at what time—he came in several times—he was arrested on the Tuesday—I pledged an article for him that day—I know this was on the 16th, Friday, because I pledged the article on the Monday after he was taken in custody—I remember that that was the 19th, from seeing it on the ticket—he was at my house the pre
<lb/>vious Friday.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">cross-examined. Q.</hi> What are you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> My husband is a general dealer, and keeps a shop—Francis Street is some distance from Sutherland Street—I live opposite Tothill Fields Prison—I have no clock in the shop—I heard the church chimes go—Miss Burdett Coutts's church—I know it was the quarter, because I was boiling meat, and put it on at a quarter to twelve, when I heard the chimes—I do not know Sutherland Street, or whether it is within five minutes walk of the church—I remarked the time because I believed the prisoner was taken up innocently—his father asked me if I would come to-day—he did not ask me to come and say that he was at home—I did not wish to be called as a witness, but I believe he it accused wrongfully—I am married to his father—he did not ask me to come—my husband is outside in the street with a pony and cart—he was not at home with his son—we have no shop—he goes out with a pony and cart, and gets his living—I was in Court at Rochester Bow when the prisoner was there, but I did not wish to be examined—I heard the wit
<lb/>nesses examined there against my stepson, but said nothing—he was at home at the time—that is all I have to say.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CUNNINGHAM</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you think you could speak there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I did not go to speak—I heard this false charge, and did not give evidence, because I am unacquainted with anything of the kind, and did not think I should be allowed to speak—I came with his father to-day, but did not know I was going into the box—I came in because my name was called by the constable.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-68" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-68" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-68" type="surname" value="BARRETT"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-68" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH BARRETT</persName> </hi>. I am a laundress, of 5, Broadway, Westminster—I know the prisoner well, from being married to the person's daughter where I have worked these seven years—on Friday, 16th August, I saw the prisoner before twelve, but I cannot say how many minutes before, because we leave off at twelve—he came into his mother-in-law's with a few eels which he had to sell—I know it had gone a quarter to twelve, but it had not gone twelve, as we had not gone to dinner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Where do you work?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> At 3, Windsor Place, Tothill Fields, the prisoner's mother-in-law's house—it is his stepmother who lives in Francis Street—I work at his wife's mother's, close by Francis Street—I do not know Sutherland Street.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-69" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-69" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-69" type="surname" value="BENTON"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-69" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH BENTON</persName> </hi>. I live at 2, Horseshoe Alley—I saw the prisoner on Friday, the 16th—I work there—I know it was the 16th because my mis
<lb/>tress told me as I was writing to my brother—I asked her the day of the month—the prisoner came in with a few eels to sell my mistress at five or ten minutes before twelve—we leave off work at twelve o'clock—my mis
<lb/>tress is Mrs. Ede, the prisoner's mother-in-law.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How far is Horseshoe Alley from Francis Street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About ten minutes' walk.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">SPURGEON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What is the distance between Francis Street and Sutherland Street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> From ten minutes' walk to a quarter of an hour.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-864-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18670923-864-punishment-12" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-864-punishment-12" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-864-18670923 t18670923-864-punishment-12"/>Eight Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<p>865.
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<interp inst="def1-865-18670923" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="def1-865-18670923" type="surname" value="DONOGHUE"/>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CHARLES DONOGHUE</hi> </persName>
<rs id="t18670923-865-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-865-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-865-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="fraud"/> ( )
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18670923-865-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-865-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-865-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi> to unlawfully obtaining twelve reams of paper from
<persName id="t18670923-name-71" type="victimName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-71" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-71" type="surname" value="FULLER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-71" type="given" value="HENRY"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18670923-865-offence-1 t18670923-name-71"/>Henry Fuller</persName> by false pretences.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18670923-865-punishment-13" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-865-punishment-13" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-865-punishment-13" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-865-18670923 t18670923-865-punishment-13"/>Three Months' Imprisonment.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, September</hi> 24
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1867.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<p>866.
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<interp inst="def1-866-18670923" type="age" value="32"/>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JACOB HENRY COHEN</hi> (32)</persName> was indicted
<rs id="t18670923-866-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-866-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="deception"/>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., with intent to defraud.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-73" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-73" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-73" type="surname" value="REED"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-73" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY REED</persName> </hi>. I am a picture-frame dealer, of 12, Gutter Lane, Cheap
<lb/>side—up to 20th July I was with Mr. Nottage, of the London Stereo
<lb/>scopic Company—I managed the frame department and the wholesale de
<lb/>partment as well—I have known the prisoner four or five years—he is a frame-maker—he occasionally supplied the company with goods; when he brought them there was an invoice, which I examined and put my initials to—he could then take it to the cashier and get the cash—the cashier would not pay it without my initials—it was generally the custom to pay him when he delivered the goods—on 5th July the prisoner and I and a gentleman named Way went and dined together at the Bay Tree, in St. Swithin's Lane—as soon as the prisoner had finished his dinner he said, "You must excuse my going; I must go and get some money, and will come back and pay your account"—he said that to me—he owed the company 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he then went out—I paid for his dinner—I afterwards returned to the company's place in Cheapside—I went up stairs—when we sell goods up stairs we have a little check-book in which we make entries—I went down stairs about twenty minutes after I had left the prisoner to enter 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and on the fly-leaf I saw a memorandum, "Cohen paid 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>."—I spoke to the cashier about it, and demanded to see the invoice—the cashier showed me this invoice for 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—there are the initials
<hi rend="largeCaps">H. R</hi>. to it—they are not my writing—I gave no authority to write them—it is ft very good imitation indeed—none of the goods specified in that invoice had been supplied to the company—in consequence of seeing that docu
<lb/>ment I made a search into the books for a few days back, and found that an invoice had been presented on the Wednesday before, while I was out of town—this is it, for 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—it is dated 3rd July—my initials are on the top line of that invoice—that is my writing—the one below is a forgery—I gave no authority for those initials to be put—the goods men
<lb/>tioned in that top line have been supplied to the company—there are two</p>
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<p>other items: those have not been supplied—I was never more surprised in my life than when I found this invoice—about a week before we were at the Bay Tree the prisoner asked me to be security for a loan of 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said that he was going to pay the company part of it—he then owed the company 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., or I think a little more, at that time—he said part of the loan was to pay the company—I don't know what he was going to do with the remainder—he said he was going to send his wife to Germany—I was in the Dolphin, Milk Street, on 5th July, after I had discovered this—about ten minutes to eight I saw the prisoner—he asked what I was going to take—I said I must run over and see Mr. Nottage, instead of doing so I went to Bow Lane Police Station, and brought a man up and gave him in charge—I tapped the prisoner on the shoulder and said, "Mr. Cohen, I have got a very painful duty to perform, but I must do it; you have brought or you have taken an invoice into Cheapside, forged my initials to it, and got the money;" and I think I said, "There is a policeman before you"—he said, "Oh! yes, I know; but you are not going to look me up; if so, I shall commit suicide"—he put his hands to his head and began to cry—he was charged at the Mansion House on the following morning; while there he said to me that if I pressed the charge he would deny it, that I might have looked over it if I liked, and he would ruin me if possible.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long have you been in the service of Mr. Nottage?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Between six and seven years—the prisoner was employed there some time after, perhaps three years, or it might have been two years—we were upon yery friendly terms—we were often in the habit of dining together, he used to come to my private house to visit me; we were on very friendly terms indeed—I am not in Mr. Nottage's employ
<lb/>ment now—I left to go into business on the 20th of the same month—I can't remember the date of the last examination before the Magistrate—I left Mr. Nottage on the 20th—I left of ray own accord—Mr. Nottage is, I believe, in Paris—I was certainly not discharged by Mr. Nottage—I had been looking after premises, and was going into business for myself—I did not give him notice, I left without giving any notice; the reason I left was I had been out an hour or so, and Mr. Nottage was rather cross, and I told him he was not satisfied—he said he would suspend me for a short time, and I told him I would leave at once—he certainly did not discharge me there and then—he had before told me that complaints had been made to him about me; he did not do so on that day; he complained of my being out—I forget what he said—it was perhaps a fortnight before that he had complained of me; I can't recollect what it was he said; I swear that—he was a little cross about something, I can't say what it was; I don't think he made a complaint since—I left on the 20th in consequence of his being cross—one of my fellow clerks is here, who was in the counting-house and heard all that took place, Mr. Clark—I am now in business for myself—I can't say how long Mr. Nottage has been abroad—the body of this invoice is in the prisoner's writing—I do not know what motive he had for paying the 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. out of this 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he did pay it; the company was pressing him for the 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; it was my duty to do it—I did press him for it—it was for frames that had been supplied to him by the company—it had been due some months, and it was my duty to press for it—they were supplied on 11th June—I am referring to the day-book; that is in the handwriting of Mr. Heal, the clerk that was up on the first floor with me; he is here—the other invoice, for 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., is dated</p>
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<p>July 3rd—there are two items in that which the company neverhad from him, a dozen Oxfords at 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. each, and three maple frames—he never de
<lb/>livered those to the company—we never had them; I swear that—I never sent any body for them, I swear that—I did not on 2nd July go to the prisoner's house in a cab and take away those frames that are charged for in this invoice—I do not know Julia Jameson, Mrs. Nightingale, or Joseph Jameson. (
<hi rend="italic">They were here called in.</hi>) I know that man by sight, I may have seen Julia Jameson before, but I could not swear it; I do not know Mrs. Nightingale—I know the prisoner's brother—the prisoner lived at 34, Little Charlotte Street, Blackfriars—I had been to his house some time previously to 2nd July, I can't say exactly the date—I can't recollect whether I saw the prisoner's brother on 1st July—I did not on that day give him an order for one dozen Oxford frames and for three Maple ditto—I did not direct them to be finished by dinner-time on the next day—I did not on the next day go in a cab and in the presence of the prisoner's brother and the three persons just called in, take away the Oxford frames and the three Maples, nor did any body for me by my orders—they were not brought to Cheapside—nobody fetched them froa the prisoner's house by my direction, I swear that—no accident happened in the removal, one of the frames was not broken—I have sent to his house for things a great many times; I have sent perhaps a dozen people at different times—I can't tell when I bad sent before 2nd July—I have gone myself lots of times—I can't recollect how soon before 2nd July I had been—I directed the prisoner to take a frame for a picture to my house; it was for myself—it was charged to the company, and I paid for it about a week after—that was six or seven months ago—it was for a picture of Christ walking on the sea—he took the frame and picture to my house—it was entered in the books of the company when I paid the cash, which was in about a week—it was entered in one of the, very old books, it may be six or eight months ago, I may possibly be able to find it—I did not tell any body in the establishment that he was going to take it to my house—I said what the cash was for when I paid it—I don't know that I had told any body in the establishment that the frame was to be charged to the company—I never used to tell them where the frames were going—I told the prisoner to charge it to the company—I believe it was paid for in the ordinary way, by sending in a bill which was initialed by me before the money was paid—I used to send out hundreds of frames, and no one knew anything about where they were going to—he may have delivered goods at other places for the company, but not for me—I was in authority over him—I directed him to take this frame to my place, and to charge it to the company—I never told him to takes things to other places and charge them to the company—I did not see the prisoner on 3rd July—I did not meet him about twelve o'clock that day and walk with him as far as the Peel statue in Cheapside—I did not see his brother David and his brother-in-law Jameson, and another person with him—I did not tell them that I was going home to Brixion as my children had a holiday—he and I did not walk together down Lud
<lb/>gate Hill and go into Lockey's public-house—the prisoner did not ask me what time I should return, as he wanted money of the company—I did not say, "Probably between four and five"—I had told every one that I was going for the day and should not be back—I had told the manager so—I was in town up to one o'clock—the prisoner did not ask me if I would pay him part of the money I owed him—I did not say, "No, but have you got your</p>
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<p>bill here?"—he did not produce the one for 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I did not read it, and then borrow a pen from somebody at the bar and put my initials to it—I do not know Lockey's public-house by name—there are several public-houses in Farringdon Street opposite the station—I have not to my know
<lb/>ledge been in any of them with the prisoner—I may have been, but not that day—I would not swear I may not have been at Lockey's with the prisoner, his brother and Jameson—very likely I may have been—I don't recollect it—I think it is very likely that the prisoner called on me in Cheapside on 4th July—he was there nearly every day—I did not tell him that if he did not pay a bill of 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. that he owed for goods supplied before Saturday, I should be discharged, as I had no authority to give him credit—I told him I wanted the money and must have it—I meant the, 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. that he was indebted to the company for some job frames that he had bought of the company—I might have owed him about 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. at that time, not more—I think if we were to balance up I should owe him about 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—we had been on very good terms—he had borrowed from me and I from him—I owed him 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and he owed me about 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he did not say that unless I paid him the 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. I owed him he could not pay in the time—I did not then say, "I must give you an order for some goods"—I did not receive a letter from him next day—I received one about a fortnight ago, which I have here—that is the only letter I have received—it is in the prisoner's writing, his wife brought it, a few, days after he was let out on bail—his brother did not on the 5th bring me a letter and this invoice for 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., nor did I in the brother's presence put my initials to it—I never saw the invoice until it was produced by our cashier—I did not give back the invoice to the prisoner's brother and tell him that his brother must come himself for the money at one o'clock—he was there at one o'clock on the 5th—I saw him—he was not paid until after he returned from the Bay Tree, where he dined with me and Mr. Way, a pictnre-frame maker, of the Edgware Road—the prisoner used to come to the premises very often,'at all hours of the day—he did not show me this invoice when he came at one o'clock—I can't say at what time he was paid on the 5th—it was not paid before we went to dinner—these are very like my initials—it was at the Dolphin that I gave him into custody—I did not tell him there had been a row at the office, and the governor had found out that I had passed bills before the goods were delivered; nothing of the sort—I did not say, "I have been detained for two hours; you know I have a wife and three little children, and I cannot afford to lose my place, and bo I said I did not sign the bill which got paid to-day"—something was said about three little children, but they were his children that I offered to take care of—I have three children—I told him that Mr. Nottage had told me to lock him up—I was the one to find the matter out and put it before Mr. Nottage at once, about an hour after I, returned from dinner—I told him they were not my Initials, and upon that he de sired me to give the prisoner into custody—there is a witness here who was in the counting-house at the time—nothing had happened previously about these invoices to make them the topic of conversation by any of the clerks—this little book (
<hi rend="italic">handing it in</hi>) will explain how I came to find this out—I have put my initials to invoices for goods before they were delivered, upon the understanding that they would be in, to accommodate the prisoner, and I have had them—I have done so on two Or three occasions—this, book is the cashier's, Mr. Morrell's writing—you will find the date, of the pay
<lb/>ment of the 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a few leaves forward—this is not all in the cashier's writing, perhaps a dozen persons—it was quite by accident that I saw this 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and on seeing it I asked to see the invoice—I was very much astonished—I said, "What! has Cohen paid?" and Morrell said, "Yes, I have taken it out of his account"—I have got the young man here who was sitting just behind Morrell when he gave me the invoice—I told Mr. Nottage of it as soon as he returned, the same day—I told him that the prisoner had received the money and put my initials, which he had no right to do—this 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. was not due to him at all, none of it—the goods had not been delivered—the three days' work had taken place, but it had been paid for previously; some time before—it might have been a fortnight before; I can't tell when—he generally had his money as soon as his work was done—I never paid him; the cashier, Morrell, did—he would not know whether the work was done or no, so long as the invoice was signed he would pay it—these "twelve Oxfords, 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>." had not been ordered, not by me—I did not say on this occasion, "Don't say a word about it; I will make it all right with the governor; you will be locked up to-night only, and as no one will appear against you you will be discharged"—I said I would make the case as light as possible for him, because it was not a very pleasant thing to lock up an intimate friend—I did not say, "You don't blame me, Cohen, do you?" nor did he reply, "To-morrow will show"—I don't remember anything of the sort—Heal has never signed my initials—I never authorised him to do so—I may have done so when I have been busy; I would not swear that I have not—I have never authorised the prisoner to do so—Heal was a confidential clerk up stairs, and the prisoner only an outdoor frame joiner—I know Mr. Watson, a frame-maker, he supplies the firm with frames—Heal was in the habit of writing orders to Watson for goods—I can't say whether he has signed my initials to those—I can't say—I know Mr. French, the landlord of the Coachmakers' Arms—I don't know Mr. Newton Wood by name—(
<hi rend="italic">Mr. Wood was here called in</hi>) I know him very well by sight—I remember French and Wood calling on me in Cheap
<lb/>side after Cohen had been locked up—I did not say to them, "I was obliged to lock Cohen up to save myself from being locked up"—I received this letter from the prisoner after he was out on bail. (
<hi rend="italic">This was an appli
<lb/>cation for </hi>2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s. as due by the witness to the prisoner.</hi>)</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Has any charge ever been made against you by Mr. Nottage of improper or dishonourable conduct?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; if so, it must have been a very long time ago—I have been just upon seven years in his employment—I had been in employment previously—the invoice of 3rd July does not contain any charge for the three days' work; those three days' work had been long before—he does not specify the dates upon which they were done—I have here some I O U, and rough memo
<lb/>randums of the prisoner's for the money I lent him—I wote them, and he initialed them—these are them, "2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. J. H. C."—"I O U 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., J. H. Cohen, 3rd April, 1867"—that is his writing—the balance is perhaps about 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. now—I don't deny that I was indebted to him 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., but he can't say that I am, he had no memorandums—it was about a week after the prisoner had been first examined before the Lord Mayor that French and Wood called on me; he was in gaol at the time, there was no one else present—they said, "What have you done with Cohen?"—I said, "You know very well where he is"—they said, "What has he been doing?"—I told them that he had brought invoices and forged my initials and received the cash—they pretended not to know where he was—they said they had heard that he was locked up somewhere, but</p>
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<p>they thought it was for selling indecent prints—that was what Mr. French said; the other young man had nothing to say—this interview took place in the frame department in Cheapside—it is false that I said I locked Cohen up to prevent being locked up myself, there is not one word of truth in it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did they go on to make any request of you, or anything of that kind as to what you would do?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; they merely called to inquire.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Mr. Nottage know anything whatever about this matter until you first discovered it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He did not, he was as much surprised as I was—it is not true that I signed this invoice at a public-house—the book is not here in which the entry was made of the frame that I directed the prisoner to take to my house—I have had no notice to produce any booke in reference to it; it was entered in a small book like this, and the money was paid by me to the company in the usual way.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you pay it before the prisoner was given in charge?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; long before—this was treated by me as all other transactions were.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know anything about that frame (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) being damaged in its removal from the prisoner's house on 2nd July?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I do not; it may have been damaged, but not on that day; they very often are broken, but I did not take them in a cab, nor did I send for them—I never ordered the frames charged in this invoice, nor were they ever received to my knowledge—Mr. Heal had authority to order frames sometimes, and Mr. Green, who was with us for a short time, had authority to order small quantities; in nine cases out of ten they would report it to me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-74" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-74" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-74" type="surname" value="MORRELL"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-74" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MORRELL</persName> </hi>. I am in the service of the Stereoscopic Company as cashier—it is nay duty to pay the men on receiving proper vouchers for the purpose—on the 5th July the prisoner presented this invoice to me—I paid it on seeing the initials "H. R.," deducting 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of which I made an entry to the prisoner's credit—I believed those initials to be Mr. Reed's, or I should not have paid it—the prisoner signed this receipt—on the previous 3rd July the prisoner produced this other invoice for 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>—I paid that, deducting 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—that is the course of business; on seeing Mr. Reed's initials on the invoice I pay the money—I know nothing about whether the items are correct or not—I rely entirely on the initials.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> The first item on that invoice is for three days' work; have you ever paid the prisoner on any other occasion for work?
<hi rend="italic">A</hi> No; I pay all the bills that are presented with proper signatures—I don't recollect this particular circumstance—I don't know whether that three days' work had been paid for before—I have no book that would enable me to state that—I do not examine the invoice—I simply see the amount and the signature authorising the payment—I do not know how often the prisoner was in the habit of working there for three days.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-75" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-75" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-75" type="surname" value="HEAL"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-75" type="given" value="WILLIAM ALFRED"/>WILLIAM ALFRED HEAL</persName> </hi>. I am clerk in the service of the Stereo
<lb/>scopic Company—I have known Cohen for some time as dealing with the company and the company with him—about a fortnight or three weeks previous to this matter happening he was in the counting-house waiting for Mr. Heed, who was out, and I saw him scribbling something on the blotting pad—he was doing so for about five or ten minutes as he sat in my seat at the desk—I looked at the pad, and saw he had been writing the letters
<hi rend="largeCaps">H. R</hi>. a number of times—those are Mr. Reed's initials—I should thiuk he hud writteu them a dozen or eighteen times—some of</p>
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<p>them were like Mr. Reed's initials—I said to the prisoner, "It is like your impudence to make these initials"—I then tore off the sheet from the blotting pad and destroyed it—he did not make any observation; be merely laughed—I remember his being there on the 3rd July, about three o'clock—I don't remember his going to the cashier—Mr. Reed was absent at the time—I believe he had left about one o'clock in the day—he did not come back—I don't remember seeing him again that day—the prisoner asked for him, and I said he was out, that he might return about six, and he might not come back again that day—on the 5th, when I saw him paid this money by the last witness, Mr. Reed was not on the premises, he was at dinner.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you ever, by Mr. Reed's permission or direction, signed his initials?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have signed H. Reed to letters for him when he has been busy—he has said, "I wish you would write a letter for me and sign my name; I will give you my permission"—I have done so, and he has seen the letters afterwards—they were written on memo
<lb/>randum forms to customers, not private letters—I have done that three or four times—they were answers to business inquiries—I have never signed his initials that I am aware of—I never remember doing so—I have always been particular to sign H. Reed—I will not swear that I have not signed his initials—I know his handwriting pretty well—I am not aware that any of the other clerks were permitted to sign for him—I can't say what day it was I saw the prisoner writing those initials—I did not tell Mr. Reed of it until after the prisoner was in custody—I have been in the employment fourteen months—I was very intimate with Mr. Reed—I do not know whether the other assistant, Mr. Green, has written his letters for him and signed his name; he may have done so—I was not examined on the first occasion before the Magistrate; I was on the second—between those examinations I had some conversation with Mr. Reed—it was then I told him about these initials—he had told me that the prisoner had signed his initials, and I then told him voluntarily that I had seen Cohen writing his initials on the blotting pad—these initials on the invoice are very like Mr. Reed's, I should not know the difference—I should very likely say they were his if they were shown to me without my having heard anything about them.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you ever write his initials on any papers like this invoice?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-76" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-76" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-76" type="surname" value="BANNISTER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-76" type="given" value="CHARLES EDWIN"/>CHARLES EDWIN BANNISTER</persName> </hi>. I am a framemaker and carver, and live at 8, Ashley Crescent—I happened to be present at the Dolphin when Mr. Reed gave the prisoner into custody—he said to him, "Cohen, you have presented a bill over the way and signed my initials to it, for which I must have you taken"—Cohen said, "I know I have, but you won't have me taken up, will you, Harry?"—Mr. Reed said, "I must have you taken," and with that forthwith called a constable in, but before he called him in Cohen put up his hands and made some remark, and nearly fell backwards against the door.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long have you known Reed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Four or five years—I make Oxford frames and carved wood frames for the firm—he has been in the habit of signing my bills, that is putting his initials, and I have taken them down stairs to get paid—I have never sent any
<lb/>thing to his house to my knowledge—a Mr. Glyn was present at the Dolphin on this occasion—he is a mount-maker—I do not know whether he is here—he was here yesterday morning—I was not examined before</p>
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<p>the Magistrate on the first occasion. I was not subpoenaed between the first and second examinations—I was asked if I knew anything at all about it—I think Mr. Reed asked me; I am not quite positive about that—I had some conversation with him—he asked if I knew anything about it, and I immediately told him all I knew, what I had seen at the Dolphin—he asked if I heard what was said, and I said, "Yes"—he did not positively ask me to go up, but, as the evidence was required, he certainly did ask me to go, and I did—those initials look very much like his, so much so that if I had not heard him say they were not his I should have said they were—I went across to the Dolphin with the prisoner and Mr. Glyn after receiving my money—I stated the same before the Magistrate that I have now. (
<hi rend="italic">The deposition of the witness was put in and read.</hi>)</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-77" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-77" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-77" type="surname" value="DUNBAR"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-77" type="given" value="FRDERICK"/>FRDERICK DUNBAR</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 670). On the 5th July I was called to the Dolphin and the prisoner was given into my custody by Mr. Reed—I took him to the sation; he said nothing—no witnesses were called for the prisoner at the Mansion House.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was he represented by Mr. Lewis, the attorney, at the Mansion House?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was—he was charged by Mr. Reed with obtaining the money by forging his initials, or obtaining the money under false pretences—I think it was, obtaining money under false pretences—he did not make use of the word forgery then—at the station-house I was told to take him into custody for forging Mr. Reed's signature, and he made no reply.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. REED</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). The initials to this invoice (
<hi rend="italic">looking at one</hi>) are mine; it is dated 25th June.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called the following witnesses for the defence</hi>:—</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-78" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-78" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-78" type="surname" value="COHEN"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-78" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL COHEN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">through an interpreter</hi>). I am the prisoner's brother—I understand English a little—I have known Mr. Reed these nine months—I recollect going to Cheapside and seeing him in the early part of July—no one was with me—I received an order from him on paper—I took it and gave it to my sister-in-law, Mrs. Cohen—Mr. Reed said, "Make the frames as soon as you can"—he spoke in English, I cau understand every word you say, but I cannot speak to you—Mr. Reed said I was to make twelve Oxford frames first—he gave me the Oxford frames and prints to pat the prints in; and he also gave an order for three maple frames as well and two black bead frames—ilext day (Tuesday) Mr. Reed called at my brother's house, I think between one and two in the afternoon—there was a gentleman with him in a cab—my sister-in-law gave Mr. Reed the twelve Oxford frames, aud I gave him the three maple frames myself, and he took them away in the cab—the glass of: one of the Oxford frames was dropped and broken—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—we put another glass to it—this was on Tuesday, the 2nd July—the next day I met Mr. Reed with my brother and a gentleman named Pitt, and my sister-in-law's brother, Joseph Jameson—we went to a public-house, I don't know the name of it, near the railway station, Ludgate Hill—we remained at the bar some time, and while there I saw Mr. Reed putting his name to some invoices—I am sure this produced is one of them—it was the initials at the bottom I saw him put, not the top ones—I did not hear anything pass on that occasion—on the Friday following I was sent by my brother to Mr. Reed—I took an iuvoice aud a letter and gave them to Mr. Reed—this produced is the invoice—Mr. Reed had got a little desk near the wiudow, aud he put these initials
<hi rend="largeCaps">H. R</hi>. to this invoice and gave it back to me, saying, "Your brother must come at one o'clock"—I think this was</p>
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<p>somewhere about half-past nine or ten in the morning—I went home and" told my brother what Mr. Reed had said.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you live in the same house with your brother?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not during the last fortnight—I have worked for him—I am out of employment now—on the 2nd July I was with my brother, living with him, and working for him—I have been doing so for seven months; I have only been in England a little over seven months—I have not been in any employment but my brother's—I used to go every morning to the Stereoscopic Company's office in Cheapside for my brother—I went at, least once a day, and sometimes two or three times a day, sometimes taking frames—I sometimes took printed papers like this and handed them to Mr. Reed, and he put his initials to them—I did not take them back to my brother every time, only when he authorised me to do so—sometimes I went to the cashier aud got paid for them—I did not go every day with invoices, but I did go every day for orders—I heard of my brother being in custody on the Monday—I attended at the Mansion House, and was present when he was examined and when Mr. Reed gave his evidence—I saw Mr. Reed produce these papers, and swear that they were net his signatures—I saw the lawyer who defended my brother—I was only there once—I engaged the lawyer to appear for him, on the Tuesday or Wednesday, I think—I did not say anything to the lawyer myself; my father-in-law did, who went with me—he speaks English—he is not here—he was not at the Mansion House—I did not offer myself as a witness at the Mansion House—when Mr. Reed came in the cab to our place Mrs. Cohen was there, Miss Jameson, my sister-in-law's sister, and another woman, I do not know her name; she is here—she used to work there—I think it was between one and two o'clock in the day, but I cannot say exactly—I don't remember Mr. Reed coming in a cab on any other occa
<lb/>sion—he has been there at various times without a cab—he has not taken frames away—he came there one day when my sister was confined, but whether he took anything that day I can't say; that was between three and four months before—it was a four-wheeled cab he came in on this occasion—Mr. Pitt is not here—I think it was between twelve and two that I saw Mr. Reed at the public-house near the Ludgate Station—(
<hi rend="italic">looking at two papers</hi>) this is the paper I saw him write, the one for 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I don't know anything about the one for 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I cannot say whether that is his writing or not—the bottom signature of this other one is what he signed at the public-house—he signed it on the bar, some one in the bar gave him a pen and ink to sign it with; it was a man—when Reed had signed it he gave it to my brother, and I do not know what he did with it—he went away with Mr. Reed—I have never seen these papers until they were handed to me to-day—I did not have them in my hand at the Mansion House—I never saw them since Mr. Reed wrote his initials on them till to-day—I know this was the place where he signed it, because they put a receipt stamp to it—it was in the same line as the stamp was put—as soon as I heard of my brother being in prison I said I knew something about it—I was here last session—it was before last July that I said I could give evidence—it was not taken down in writing—nobody ever took it down.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. REED</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.) There is a young lady in Court named Dudley—I have had conversation with her in reference to this trial—she did not say to me, "I know I shall tremble when I get into the box;" she was never expected to get into the box—I did not Hay to her,</p>
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<p>"Don't be afraid; I don't care what I give you; be firm; I shall point him out to you, and then you can swear to him"—no such words were ever mentioned, nothing like it—I merely said, what a sad thing had happened to the prisoner, and how very sorry I was to take him up—Miss Dudley is saleswoman in St. Paul's Church Yard—she has nothing at all to do with this case—she is an acquaintance of mine; we used to go backwards and forwards together to Brixton night and morning, and of course we had something to chat about while going there—that is all I recollect saying to her—I don't know a Mrs. Nightingale by name—(
<hi rend="italic">she was called in</hi>)—I don't know her at all; I don't recognise her—the conversation you have referred to did not take place outside the Court in the presence of that woman, or in any one's presence—Miss Dudley had never been into a Court before, and I promised she should come in and hear the case.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-79" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-79" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-79" type="surname" value="JAMESON"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-79" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH JAMESON</persName> </hi>. I live at 217, Kent Street, Borough, and am a pic
<lb/>ture-frame maker—I am brother-in-law to the prisoner—I remember meet
<lb/>ing Mr. Reed in Cheapeide early in July; it must have been on the 3rd, as the 2nd was the wedding-day, and it was the day after that—I know nothing about the things being fetched away in the cab, I was not there—when I met Mr. Reed, on the 3rd, there was the prisoner and a young man—we went to a public-house opposite the railway station in Farringdon Street—I do not know the name of it—Cohen said to him, "I shall want pome money, Mr. Reed"—he said, "Have you got a bill with you?" and he said, "Yes," and took it out of his pocket—this is it, the one for"2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 18
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—Mr. Reed said, "Very well, I will sign it for you:" at least he did sign it, whether he said those exact words or not I can't say—he signed it in the public-house, that is he put his initials "
<hi rend="largeCaps">H. R</hi>." at the bottom—he told Cohen that he would see him at four o'clock, and they went away—this was on Wednesday, the 3rd July—he got the penfthat he signed it with from a man standing at the bar, a sort of commercial man, rather shabby-looking, rather inclined to be stout—he carried the pen in front of him with a little bottle.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long were you in the public-house together before this paper was signed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not very long—it might be about ten minutes, I can't say exactly—it must have been about one or two in the day, as near as possible—Reed said, "If you will produce the bill I will sigu it"—I can say positively he said those words, something to that effect, I can't say the very words—he did sign it—the shabby man was not behind the bar, he was in front of it—he was not the bar
<lb/>man—I might know him again if I saw him—we have been to I don't know how many places to find him—the other young man was a foreign-looking man—I did not know him previously—I happened to make his acquaintance and asked him to have a glass of something to drink—he was a Jew, and I befriended him because he was in want—I did not know his name or address at the time—I found it out since—I saw him at a barber's shop where he engaged himself, in Kent Street, just opposite where I lived, about a month ago, abut he is not there now—he only worked there a few days—I remember this 3rd of July, because the day before was the prisoner's wedding-day—I remember the name of the public-house now, it was Lockey's—I did not instruct the lawyer to defend Cohen—I have never been to Mr. Lewis's office—I was at the Mansion House on the second occasion, but I could not hear what was said, I was such a distance off—I offered myself as a witness, but I could not come forward—I could not make out how tfee business was conducted—I</p>
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<p>have not been living in the same house with the prisoner since he has been out on bail—I live about a quarter of a mile off—I have not seen him day after day, sometimes not for a week—I have seen him about once a week.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did your father go to the lawyer?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I have done all I could to find the man Pitt—the name of the young man whose name and address I got was Pollock, he is here—I found him after a great deal of difficulty—he stood next to me, and must have seen the signing of the bill—it was the bottom signature I saw him sign—I did not see any top one there at the time.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-80" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-80" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-80" type="surname" value="REED"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-80" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN REED</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). Those initials at the top were put by the order of Mr. Nottage afterwards, on the morning we were at the Mansion House, to certify the correctness of that one item.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-81" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-81" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-81" type="surname" value="JAMESON"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-81" type="given" value="JULLA"/>JULLA JAMESON</persName> </hi>. The prisoner married my sister—I live with my father—the last witness is my brother—I know where the prisoner lives—I was there on 2nd July—I had been stopping there—I know Mr. Reed—I remember his coming there in a cab with a gentleman—he took a dozen Oxford frames away with him, the glass of one of them was broken and it was left behind—this is the frame, it has a new glass in it—he also took away some maple frames, they were given to him by David Cohen, it was a little while after dinner, we dine about one o'clock, or sometimes two.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you remember Mr. Reed coming there at other times before that?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I knew him before—I have been to the stereo
<lb/>scopic company with the prisoner—it was on Tuesday, find July, that Mr. Reed took the frames away—he came in a four-wheeled cab with another gentleman—the prisoner was not at home—David Cohen was there and Mrs. Cohen, and Mrs. Nightingale was in the parlour—I had been stopping there two or three weeks—I went away the next day because my sister, Mrs. Cohen, went to Germany—this was on the wedding-day, they keep it every year.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-82" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-82" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-82" type="surname" value="NIGHTINGALE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-82" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH NIGHTINGALE</persName> </hi>. I am no relation to the Cohens, and am not of the Jewish persuasion—I was at the prisoner's house on 2nd July—I had been there for the last two or three, months off and on—I am monthly nurse to Mrs. Cohen—I have seen Mr. Reed once or twice—I saw him come in a cab on the Tuesday; there was another gentleman In the cab, I believe—he took some frames away with him; I was in the parlour, I did not go into the shop, the parlour is very close adjoining—I did not hear what was said—I saw the frames taken out by the little girl, and Mr. Cohen's brother was putting some brown paper on some others—Mrs. Cohen was there—the frames were put into the cab, the string slipped, and one dropped out and the glass broke—I think it was between two and three in the afternoon—I am quite certain it was on Tuesday afternoon, 2nd July—I heard of Mr. Cohen being taken into custody—yesterday I heard Mr. Reed have a conversation with a young lady in the Court—I was sitting on a seat by the side of the young person, reading a piece of paper—she said, "I know I shall tremble when I get into the box"—Mr. Reed said, "Don't be afraid; I don't care what I give you; be firm; I shall point him out to you, and then you can swear to him"—I am quite sure I heard him say those words.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You had been nurse to Mrs. Cohen?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—she left for Germany the day after this—she was intending to leave for some weeks—I had been there several weeks, making baby's things—I had been there off and on three or four months—I only lived a few doors round the corner—I had seen Mr. Reed once before, three or four weeks</p>
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<p>previously, when he came and asked for Mr. Cohen—I never saw this young lady before yesterday—I don't know her name—she did not say, "I should tremble if I had to get into the box"—Mr. Reed was asking whether she would know Mr. or Mrs. Cohen if she saw them—she said, "No"—Mr. Cohen was standing a distance away, and Mr. Reed said, "There is Mr. Cohen; shall you know him again if you see him?"—I don't know exactly the words that were said after that, but there were several more words said—he then pointed to Mrs. Cohen and said, "That is Mrs. Cohen"—she said, "That person with the hat on?"—he said, "Yes," and she said, "What a
<hi rend="italic">significant</hi> looking little b----she looks!"—that was all I heard her say—it was at the beginning of the conversation that she said she should tremble when she got into the box—I mentioned this conversation yesterday to several who are here—I am sure her words were, "I know I shall tremble when I get into the box."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). What the prisoner had to do with the frames was to put the pictures in—there was the glass to put in, and the beading and the backs—he charged hajf-a-crown each, and cheap too, I would not do it for the money.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-84" type="given" value="LETTY"/>LETTY DUDLEY</persName> </hi>. I reside at Tulse Hill, Brixton—I have been until within the last two months in an establishment in St. Paul's Churchyard—I was in the habit of coming morning and evening to and from Brixton by train—I have been acquainted with Mr. Reed for the last three years as a passenger coming to and fro—I had never been in Court, and he brought me here simply to hear the trial—I heard from him that this trial was coming on, and asked him to bring me into Court—I was never here before yesterday—I was at the first examination at the Mansion House; but I was no witness in the case—I did not say to Mr. Reed yesterday, "I know I shall tremble when I get into the witness-box," nor did he say, "Don't be afraid; I don't care what I give you; be firm; I shall point him out to you, and then you can swear to him"—nothing to that effect—I had known Cohen previously—I have seen him at the Stereoscopic Company, and knew him quite well by sight.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you been in Court the whole of the day?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I did not hear Mr. Reed examined this morning—I was sitting in Court this afternoon, but I went out—I came in after the adjournment—I heard Mr. Reed recalled, but I was sent out—I heard a word or two before I went out—I heard you ask him whether I did not say to him, "I know I shall tremble when I get into the box," but I did not hear his answer—I was sent out before he answered—I have not had any conver
<lb/>sation with him within the last hour; I wanted to speak to him, but he would not allow me, he would not say a word to me—I said nothing like the words you have put to me—I did not say that I should tremble if I had to get into the box, nor anything like it—I have not spoken to any
<lb/>body about this within the last half-hour—I came here to-day simply to hear the case, as a friend of Mr. Reed—I don't recollect his asking me whether I should know Cohen—he pointed him out to me yesterday morn
<lb/>ing—he said, "There's Cohen"—we were then standing down below—I made no reply—he did not ask me if I should know him again—he knew I should know him, because I have known him for a long time—he afterwards pointed out Mrs. Cohen, and said, "That's Mrs. Cohen"—I don't recollect making any answer—I certainly did not say she was an insignificant little b----I am living at home with my friends, my grandfather</p>
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<p>and aunt—I am not in any business at present—I was with Mr. Beales, of St. Paul's Churchyard, nearly three years—I left of my own accord—I have seen Mr. Reed in business and also in the train.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">called</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-85" type="given" value="PHILIP"/>PHILIP FRENCH</persName> </hi>. I am a publican, and live in Blackfriars—I heard of the prisoner being committed—I know Mr. Reed—I called on him with Mr. Newton Wood—after some conversation he said he was obliged to lock Cohen up, or he should be locked up himself—Mr. Wood was present.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you known the prisoner previously?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I have known him for fifteen months—he lives about a quarter or half a mile from me—he was a customer of mine, and so was Mr. Reed occasionally—I have not been in the gallery during this trial—I have been outside in the passage all day, and Mr. Wood also—it was at the office in Cheapside that I called on Mr. Reed, the day the Sultan came to Charing Cross—I do not know what day of the month it was—I had lost sight of the prisoner for about a week, and I went to Mr. Reed to inquire if he knew where he was—it was some time before last Session—I did not know that he was in jail till Mr. Reed told me—I knew where the prisoner lived, but he was not at home, so I went to Mr. Reed to know where he was—I thought probably he had got him there at work—his wife had gone to Germany—I don't know where his relations live—that was not the first time of my calling to see Mr. Reed—Mr. Wood and I had been to see the Sultan come, and I said, "Now we will go to Cheapside and see where Cohen is"—it was out of the way—I believe no one else was present at the conversation—when we went up stairs Mr. Reed was at the window looking at the Belgian soldiers passing, and he came from the window to speak to us—it was some time in the afternoon, I should think about three or four—I asked him if he could tell me where Cohen was—he said, "He is in the lock-up, in the Old Bailey; have not you heard?—I said, "No, that was why we came to you to know; I thought you and he had probably gone to the Paris Exhibition"—he said, "Oh! I have had to give him in charge; I was obliged to lock him up; if I had not I should have been locked up myself, so I did it to save myself"—he did not say why he should have been locked up himself—he said Cohen was locked up for a forgery, for signing his name on a bill—I did not ask him what he meant by being locked up himself; that was not my business; all I wanted was to ascertain where Cohen was—I went to Newgate to see Cohen once; that was about a week after that conversation—Mr. Wood was not with me—I did not make any inquiry of Mr. Nottage about this matter.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you understand from what Reed said that he had given Cohen in custody wrongfully?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not know what he meant—I can't say—Mr. Wood and I had no conversation about it as we walked home, none at all—we might have spoken about the case, but nothing particular—we might have spoken about it—I can't remember whether we did or not—I did not think from what Reed said that Cohen had been given into custody on an unfounded charge—I did not think one way or the other—I did not know what he meant, and I did not ask him.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you say to Reed, "What have you done with Cohen?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—Reed afterwards said it was for forging his initials and receiving money—I did not say I thought he was locked up for selling indecent prints—nothing of the kind was mentioned—I did not say I thought he was locked up at all.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long have you known the prisoner?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About two years—I was in the habit of visiting him, and associating with him and French—I missed him for something like a week—I did not know what had become of him until I saw Mr. Reed—I live about four or five minutes' walk from Cohen—I was passing by one day and saw his brother at the door, and asked him how it was we had not seen him, and he said he did not know where he was; it was not good for him to be away—Mr. French and I did not start out on that day for the purpose of making inquiries about him—we went to see the Sultan come, and from there we went to the City to see the Belgian volunteers pass, and while outside, opposite the company's house, he saw Mr. Reed at the window, and we then thought we would go and see where Cohen was—we did not make an arrangement at Charing Cross to go into the City and make the inquiry—Mr. French said, "We will go and see if Mr. Reed knows any
<lb/>thing about Cohen;" for we had heard he had gone to the Paris Exhibi
<lb/>tion with Reed—I have not been in Court while French was examined—I came in for about two minutes, but was told to go out—I cannot say who spoke first—when we went up we shook hands with Reed—he was at the window, seeing the Belgian soldiers pass—we walked to the staircase together, and French said, "What has become of Cohen?"—Reed said, "You know very well what has become of him"—I said, "No, that we don't; we have come to see"—he said, "Well, he is in Newgate"—I said, "In Newgate? what for?"—he said, "For signing my signature to a bill, aud receiving the money from the cashier"—I said, "Indeed? that is a very serious affair; that is forgery"—he said, "Yes, it is; it went very hard against my feelings to do it, but I was bound to lock him up to save myself," or "to clear myself;" I won't swear which words he made use of—he also said, "As to Cohen's children, I would take them into my own family and see that they are cared for as my own, out of the respect I have for the man."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did French say, "Mr. Reed, what have you done with Cohen?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> "What has become of Cohen?"—Reed said he had been Bigning his signature and receiving the money from the cashier—he did not make use of the word "forgery"—Mr. French did not say, "I thought he was locked up for selling indecent prints"—I did not hear him—I did not hear anything of the kind mentioned—we left together, and Mr. Reed came to us outside afterwards—there was no more talk par
<lb/>ticular, nothing to do with this case—he was only saying it was a bad job, that it went very hard against him, and he was very sorry for it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, September</hi> 24
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1867.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Judgment Respited.</hi> </rs> And,</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN WILLIAMS</hi> (22)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18670923-874-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18670923-874-offence-1 t18670923-name-99"/>Sarah Rugby</persName>, after a previous conviction;</rs>
<hi rend="italic">also</hi>
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<interp inst="t18670923-874-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="pocketpicking"/>to attempting to steal a watch and chain from the person of
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-100" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18670923-874-offence-2 t18670923-name-100"/>James Samuels</persName>.—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DALY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-104" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-104" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-104" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEPRGE EASTWOOD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 19
<hi rend="italic">H</hi>). On 6th August, about three a.m., I was passing Swann Street, which runs parallel to Slater Street, and saw a man close to the King's Arms public-house in a stooping posi
<lb/>tion, two other men crossed the road and stooped down, one man recrossed, and the two others disappeared—I suppose they must have been alarmed—I saw two meu come up from the cellar flap, one of whom, the prisoner, came towards me—I pursued him, and Policeman 198H overtook him—I then went back and found that the cellar-flap had been opened—there was a hammer in the cellar, and this crowbar (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was inserted in the door between the wine-cellar and the beer-cellar.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> You were fifty yards from the cellar in Baker Street, and could not see me get out of the cellar; I met you.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I was thirty or forty yards from the cellar-flap at the time you came up; I never lost sight of you.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-105" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BANKS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 190
<hi rend="italic">H</hi>). On 6th August, about three a.m., I saw the prisoner in King Street, running as fast as he could—I caught him, and never lost sight of him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-875-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with a conviction at Chelmsford in 25 Victoria, when he was sentenced to Five Years' Penal Servitude: to this he</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>.**—
<hi rend="italic">
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<p>876.
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<interp inst="t18670923-876-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-876-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="stealingFromMaster"/>, Stealing seven medals and 259 pieces of coin of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18670923-876-offence-1 t18670923-name-108"/>George Holmes</persName>, the master of Dowst,</rs> to which
<hi rend="largeCaps">DOWST</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>. He </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">received a good character. Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.—Judgment respited.</hi> </rs> </p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-109" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-109" type="given" value="EDWIN GILLINGHAM"/>EDWIN GILLINGHAM LEGGE</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Holmes, Robinson, and Stoneham, solicitors, of 5, Philpot Lane—Dowst was their junior clerk from March, 1865, till his apprehension—in July last the firm was in possession of 266 coins and medals—there were five gold medals and two silver ones, about thirty gold coins, and the rest silver—they were brought to me by Mr. Stoneham in a wooden box—I opened it to see that they were there, and placed the wooden box in a deed box, with some papers—the box was taken down to Westminster and brought back again—I saw the coins in the box when they were brought back to the office on 22nd July—Dowst was at the office on Saturday, 10th August, but I do not know of my own knowledge that he was there after the other clerks left—on 12th August I noticed marks of violence on the lock of the table drawer, which is never locked, and on Tuesday morning, the 13th, I went to the deed box, which was locked as I left it, but all the coins and medals were gone—the papers were there—the box lets down in front, and there are two shelves in it—the coin box had been on one shelf, but it was gone—I next saw them at the Bermondsey Police-station on 20th August—Painter was then in custody—these are the coins (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—this bent medal has the name of Phillips, our client, on it—I have seen Painter at the office repeatedly of an evening with Dowst.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-110" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS WIEWIG</persName> </hi>. I deal in miscellaneous property and curiosities, at 244, Old Kent Road—on 21st Angust, a little after nine o'clock, Painter came and said, "I have a small collection of silver coins to sell; will you buy them?"—I said, "I do buy coins, but, as you seem to be very young, I wish to know whether your parents gave you leave to sell them"—he said that his father was dead, and had left them to him to sell—I asked him if he had a mother; he said, "Yes"—I said, "Did she give you permission to sell them?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "I must have her address, as I am very particular what I buy"—he gave his name Mr. West, or Webb, 3 or 4, Chatham Place, Old Kent Road, I am not certain which—I spoke to my wife, and then asked him if he had the coins; he showed them to me, one bundle after another, wrapped up in newspapers—my wife then left the shop, and after she was gone I bargained with him about the price—he wanted 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for them, I offered 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—a bar
<lb/>gain was made at that—I gave him 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. first, and he wrote out a receipt for 51.—that was that my wife should have time to come back—I after
<lb/>wards gave him 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he was very fidgetty to get away to his business in the City, as he said, but I invited him into the parlour to have a glass of wine—I turned my back, and heard him say to Mrs. Howlett, an old lady in the shop, "I will be back again bye and bye," and he left—I ran after him, and saw him walking—when he saw me running he began to run—he was stopped, brought back, and taken to Bermondsey Station—he said that he hoped the coins would be all right—I demanded my 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. back, which he gave me—four days afterwards I found this broken medal (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) on a shelf on my premises—I had not purchased it of anybody.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you known the lad before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not Painter—he told me ho ought to be in business in the City at a little after nine o'clock; it was then close upon ten.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-111" type="given" value="RICHARD WILLIAM"/>RICHARD WILLIAM WHITE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Police Inspector</hi>). I got this broken</p>
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<p>medal at Mr. Viewig's shop on the Saturday afternoon after Painter had been taken—he gave mo his correct name and address—I have been to 19, Clifton Cottages, Clifton Street, Peckham, but found nothing there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-112" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-112" type="surname" value="PAINTER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-112" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY PAINTER</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of John Painter, who is in the service of the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway, and lives at 19, Clifton Cottages, Clifton Road—Painter is my son—Dowst came there and asked for him on the 18th of August, Sunday—I saw him sealing these two boxes (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), in which the coins were afterwards found—I did not see them again till Turpin found them and opened them in my presence—they contained five gold medals and one silver one.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was the box sealed at the time it was found by the officer?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—my son was employed at Mr. Lloyd's, the silk manu
<lb/>facturer—his time to be at business was nine o'clock—Dowst was a school-fellow of his—he has always borne a respectable character since he was ten years old—he was in the employment of Messrs. Slater and Wood, of Cheapside, three years, and of Messrs. Snape, of Cannon Street, for twelve months—he was sixteen last February.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-113" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-113" type="surname" value="LANE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-113" type="given" value="THOMQS"/>THOMQS LANE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 255
<hi rend="italic">M</hi>). I received these coins from Mr. Viewig, and Inspector Turpin brought some others to the station.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-114" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-114" type="surname" value="FORREST"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-114" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA FORREST</persName> </hi>. I am a widow and clean the office of Holmes, Robertson, and Stoneham, of 5, Philpot Lane—I was there on a Saturday in August—I do not know the date, but it was the Saturday before the robbery was discovered—I was there from four o'clock till nine or ten in the evening and saw Dowst leave—I did not see Painter there; I think I saw him on the Thursday previous to the robbery, but he did not go into the office—he came twice; and I told him on both occasions that Dowst was not there—I saw him leave with Dowst several times, a week or a fortnight before the robbery.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PAINTER</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Williams.</hi> I never had your hat.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> You took it.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Collins's Defence.</hi> She is always walking up and down Regent Street, and has men following her. I asked her to lend me a penny; she said, "No; it is dirty w—s like you who prevent respectable women getting money."</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. M. WILLIAMS</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-128" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MAJOR</persName> </hi>. I am a printer, of 6, Cross Keys Square—when this occurred I was living at Cotterell's Buildings, Bartholomew Close—on 5th July, between one and two in the morning, I was in Golden Lane with my friend George McDougal, and went into the prisoner's house to have a cup of tea or coffee—he met us in the passage; he keeps a lodging-house—he knocked me down, jumped on me, kicked me, and I became in sensible—when I came to myself I was lying in George Yard, about two houses off, and the policeman had come up—there was a light in the passage—there were others behind him, and my friend was behind me—I am posi
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., it was not 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I paid half-a-crown for a cab—I did not lose all my money—I had a half-sovereign left.</p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-131" type="given" value="JAMES SCOTT BAKKER"/>JAMES SCOTT BAKKER PASSMORE</persName> </hi>. The prisoner was my shipmate on board the
<hi rend="italic">Tundill</hi>, we both slept in the forecastle—I put my clothes in my berth, my watch was in the waistcoat pocket—next day, about three in the afternoon, I mentioned it to every one in the forecastle—the ship was then about 100 miles outside the Line—I suspected one or two persons, but did not name anybody—I blamed somebody in New York, the
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<lb/>wards I met one of my shipmates, who told me the prisoner had the watch—I gave him in charge on the evening of the 26th—he said that he had taken the watch, but did not know it was mine—I told him he knew very well it was mine, and if he would give it to me I would not press the case—he said that if I would wait till next morning he should be able to get it for me—I gave him in custody.</p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-132" type="given" value="ALBERT"/>ALBERT DAVIS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 193
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-133" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM PENDRED</persName> </hi>. I am a seaman; when we came ashore at London I saw the prisoner with the watch in the boarding-house—I recollected that there had been a disturbance on board the vessel about the watch, but I did not tell Passmore.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I found the watch in the forecastle.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, September</hi> 20
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1867.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Smith.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MURRAY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-137" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD SMITH</persName> </hi>. I am a die-sinker and engraver, of 4, Upper Smith Street, Northampton Square—on 17th June the prisoner came to my house, accompanied by a man named Zelman—I had never seen the prisoner before—I have known Zelmau for three or four years perhaps—I am not perfectly certain of the time; he introduced the prisoner to me—</p>
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<p>I am referring to some notes which were made at the time, at least two or three days after the prisoner first visited me; they were made under the instructions of Inspector Foulger—Zelman said, "This is a friend of mine, who I think I can introduce to you to do some business"—I asked him what description of business it was—he said it was some engraving—I said, "It is perfectly uncertain whether I can do it or not without you explain yourself more fully and thoroughly"—he said it was to engrave a plate—I asked what for, and Zelman, I think, said, "Show him the note"—the prisoner then handed me a 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note of the Union Bank of Scotland—(I afterwards gave it back to the prisoner)—I said, "It is a very serious matter, a thing of this sort, not to be undertaken very lightly"—he said there was very little chance of detection in the affair, in fact none, and it was a very good chance of making a deal of money; he said I was to receive 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for engraving the plate in the first instance if I agreed to do it, and 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. when the plate was finished—he said the reason there was such a slight chance of detection was that there were only four persons in it; they were himself, Zelman, the banker from Australia for whom the notes were intended, and myself—I asked him how many notes he thought of printing if he procured the plate, and he said 30,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and it would be impossible to find it out for twelve months, as the voyage to and from Australia would take that time before it could be detected—I told him I could give him no answer then, but I would see Zelman the next day if he would call at my place—Zelman introduced him by the name of Johnson; at least he was not exactly introduced by name, but it was mentioned incidentally during the evening that his name was Johnson—Zelman called him
<hi rend="italic">Charlie</hi> at the time—next day, Tuesday, the 18th, I saw Zelman, but not the prisoner—on the 19th Zelman came to my house and told me I was to meet the prisoner in the City Road, near the Eagle—he went with me and we met the prisoner—he asked me if I would engrave the plates—I said, "Yes"—he asked how long it would take to do them—I said about six weeks, I thought—he said that was too long, I must do it in less time—I said I did not think I possibly could—he asked me if I could get the paper for the notes when the plate was en
<lb/>graved—I said I was not quite certain, and he gave me then the size of the sheet required for a double note—they are printed in twos, of which he seemed to be aware—he asked me if I should want some money before I started on the plates—I said yes, and he gave me 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in gold; at the same time he gave me the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Scotch note for the purpose of engraving the plate, as a pattern to work to—(that note was afterwards changed by the engraver at a money-changer's at the West End for another more legible)—he asked me if I could do the printing myself, or how it would be best to arrange about the printing—I said it would be dangerous, of course, to employ an ordinary printer in a thing of this sort—he said, "Well, then, we must try and do it ourselves"—I said I could give him no decided answer then whether or no I could do it; that would be an after consideration—I gave Zelman half of the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—next day, Thursday, the 20th, I met Zelman at half-past nine in the morning, and we went to the Moor Lane Police Station—I inquired for Inspector Foulger, and was referred to Bow Lane—I went there and saw him, and he gave me directions how to act in this matter—since that time, until the prisoner was apprehended, I have acted entirely under his directions—during that period I saw him nearly every day, and also Mr. Mullens, the solicitor engaged in this case—after leaving the inspector I went to Hughes and Kiraber's, copper plate and printing</p>
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<p>material manufacturers, in Fetter Lane—Zelman was with me, but I forget whether he went into the place or not—I there bought a copper plate, the size of the note—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is it—I saw the prisoner afterwards that same day in the neighbourhood of the City Road, close by the Eagle—I showed him the plate and arranged to meet him again on the 22nd—I did not do so—it was afterwards arrauged that I should give Zelnun notice when I wanted to see him—I next saw him on the 24th with Zelman, at my bouse—I showed him the plate, which then had a portion of this ornamental scroll engraved on it—he showed me a 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Scotch note on that occasion—he thought the signature of the cashier of the bank was more distinct and easier to copy than that on the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note, it being very dirty and rather obliterated—I have not got that 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note—it was impossible to have copied that, as it was a different size from the one on the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note—I asked him for some money and he gave me 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I afterwards gave Zel
<lb/>man 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of it—I saw the prisoner on Tuesday, 25th June, and on Saturday, the 29th—on 3rd July I saw him again, I then had the plate with me; Zelman was with him—I showed him the plate—it was further advanced not completed—he asked me if it was necessary to have a press for taking the proofs off, and afterwards, of course, for the printing, and I said, "Yes, as soon as possible"—he said he would put an advertisement in the
<hi rend="italic">Clerkenwell News</hi> for one—he asked me if I could get the paper, and I said most likely I could get it at Birmingham—afterwards, on that same day, I went again to Hughes and Kimber's for another plate to engrave the front of the note—this is the plate I bought (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>),—on 4th July I saw the prisoner again—I showed him this plate and the other as well, and he found some fault with the scroll ornament—it was not quite correct, not perfectly agreeing with the pattern note—on 5th July I saw him again in the evening, and he said I was to go to Birmingham the next day, Satur
<lb/>day, and he said I was to write to Zelraan's address, 57, Herbert Street, if I wanted to write, and he would hold himself in constant communication with Zelman, and would get the letter immediately—on 6th July I went to Birmingham; the prisoner came to my house with Zelman, and accom
<lb/>panied me to the station and saw me go—he gave me 9
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I gave Zelman a portion of it—I stayed at Ballivant's Hotel, Carr's Lane, High Street, Bir
<lb/>mingham—I wrote a letter to the prisoner, addressed to Zelman, from Bir
<lb/>mingham—I have a copy of it. (
<hi rend="italic">Read; notice to produce the original had been given</hi>:—"7th July.—I enclose a sample of the goods you require, but I think they are a little too heavy. They were made for the Russian market. The price is higher than I thought; the party thinks they would be 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the 2000 pieces, the quantity you require, but I have induced him to do them for 24
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and the time they will take will be twenty-four days to get the quantity you waut. Please telegraph to say what I am to do, as I shall return by the 3.50 train. You can say, 'Wait for further instructions.'") I received this telegram purporting to come from Zelman—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>:—"Please apply National and Provincial Bank for 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Sample sent too heavy; try and manage and have it done in less time.") On Friday, 13th July, I went with the prisoner to Mr. La Riviere, in Clifton Street, Finsbury—that was in answer to an advertisement in the
<hi rend="italic">Clerke
<lb/>nwell News</hi>, and in the prisoner's presence I selected a lithographic press and a copper-plate press—they came to 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—the prisoner paid a sovereign down, and said he would pay the rest when he fetched them away—this receipt (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was given for the 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in the name of Simpson—Mr. La Riviere asked me what name, aud I said Simpson—the presses</p>
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<p>Were to be taken away on the ensuing Wednesday, 17th—on that day I went there with the prisoner and took them away, and took them to 76, Gray'd Inn Road, in a cart, which the prisoner engaged—on 15th the prisoner said that we had better have a place to put the presses in—he left me then to look after a place—at my suggestion he went to Long Lane, Smithfield, in answer to an advertisement in. the
<hi rend="italic">Clerkenwtll News</hi>—he did not take a place there, but he told me next day that he had taken a place at 76, Gray's Inn Road, and that was where we took the presses—an arrangement was made that I should go to Birmingham again about the paper—I did not go—the prisoner thought that I went—I posted a letter to a person in Birmingham to be returned to me on 22nd July—I did that under the direction of. Inspector Foulger—this is the letter, it is not my writing—I don't know whose it is, it was given to me by Mr. Foulger—I enclosed it in an envelope directed to myself, inside another envelope, to a person in Birmingham, for the purpose of putting it through the Birmingham post. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Handsworth, Birmingham. Sir,—Please come and see me as soon as you possibly can, as the goods I am making for you are a deal of trouble, and I want your advice about them; there would have been part of them ready but for this difficulty. Yours truly, N.") I showed that letter to the prisoner; he said the delay was very inconvenient, and I had better write again immediately and try and ascer
<lb/>tain what the difficulty was—I afterwards wrote another letter to the same person in Birmingham, under Inspector Foulger's direction, to be put through the post in the same way; it was returned to me in the same way, and it was shown to the prisoner. (
<hi rend="italic">Bead</hi>: "23rd July, 1867. Dear Sir,—I think a personal interview would-be better, as I can hardly explain by letter what the difficulty is. Hoping to see you soon, I remain, yours truly, N.") I afterwards saw the prisoner at 76, Gray's Inn Road, where the presses had been taken, several times, nearly every day—I saw him take some impressions off the copper plate—I got the engraving of the front plate done—I engraved neither of the plates myself, I got them both done—I last saw the prisoner on 3rd August at 76, Gray's Inn Road, where the presses were—the plates were there then—he was taking some proofs from the plates when I left the room.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you stated any one occasion upon which any person was present besides yourself and Zelrnan at any interview, or any act done by the prisoner?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, with the exception of the purchase of the presses—if any person had been present it would have been objected to by the prisoner, because the subject was proposed to be kept secret—it was on 16th June that I first became acquainted with the prisoner—I had never seen him before he was introduced to me by Zelman—I had not been intimate with Zelman—I knew him as an acquaintance simply by meeting him out of doors—I was never at his house, nor he at mine—I never knew what his business was—I understood from what I heard him say that he was a com
<lb/>mission agent, or something of the kind—this is not the first time I have been in Court; this is the first matter in which I have been a witness—I have been a witness in a county court—I have been a prisoner about eight years ago; it was for felony, I believe, or the illegal possession of goods—I pleaded guilty at the Middlesex Sessions and got nine months; since then I have been living for about twelve months near the Eagle Tavern, City Road—I kept a coffee-house there—I did not let out beds, I had none to let—I was not proceeded against there by the parish authorities—I was summoned once for keeping the house open after one o'clock for the supply of</p>
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<p>refreshments, and fined 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>—I was a licensed refreshment-house keeper—I think that is about two and a half years ago—I was not then living with a woman named Bella, I was living with my wife, she died in that house after that—a woman named Kate was living with me, I was keeping her to manage my place—I forget whether it was then or before that I was summoned before the Magistrate; no, it was not while she was with me—I was not summoned for gambling, for playing at blind hookey, or any other game—Kate is not living with me now—I have been living in Smith Street about twelve months—I knew Zelman when I kept the coffee-house near the Eagle, more by sight than anything else—I very seldom spoke to him—I think he only came there once the whole time I was there—Zelman and I have not been engaged in playing cards in the house in which I live within the last three months—I don't think I have ever played a game of cards with Zelman in my life—I last saw him about a fortnight or three weeks ago—I never saw him at the Mansion House—he went with me to Mr. Foulger, and he was acting with me throughout in this matter—he has never been examined as a witness to my knowledge—it was in the City Road that I last saw him, not at the Eagle—I have not been in the habit of fre
<lb/>quenting the Eagle with him—I have met him there occasionally—I have had about 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from the prisoner altogether—the printing press was an ordi
<lb/>nary one, adapted for lithography—I have not had any money for the purpose of giving evidence—I had some to pay the engraver, not for my services in this matter—I am doing itentirelyfor the love of justice; whether I expect to receive what expenses I may be put to is another thing—I have not made any terms or been promised anything—I shall expect to have my expenses paid, most decidedly—I don't know about anything beyond that—I never knew Zelman to be in any trouble, according to his own account he has not—I don't know what he is doing for a living—I know that he is a bankrupt—I don't know that that is trouble—I believe that is a matter of business very frequently—I do not know that he is now an uncertificated bankrupt, and that he is refused protection by the Court of Bankruptcy—he has only been a bankrupt once to my knowledge—I was not at the Bankruptcy Court—I don't know what he was described as—I was never in custody on any charge except the one for which I got nine months—I was never charged with cheating a person out of 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. by play
<lb/>ing or betting.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MURRAY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What was it that you were really charged with eight years ago?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was engaged as a die-sinker to a large army accoutrement maker—I told one of the men there I should report him for neglectiug his work, and he informed the master that I was robbing him of his metal—they were merely three or four patterns, which the men were all in the habit of taking, worth a mere trifle, and which I had put in my pocket to take home.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you got a diamond ring belonging to the prisoner?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He gave it me for the purpose of expediting this work—I have it now—it is not worth 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., only about 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-138" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GREEN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi>). On 29th June last I was instructed to watch the prisoner, Zelman, aud Smith, and from that time until the prisoner was apprehended I was constantly watching them and following them about—on Saturday, 6th July, I was at the Euston Station, and saw them there—Smith went to the box aud got a ticket—he then went on to the platform and got into a carriage of the Birmingham and Liverpool train—I saw him go away in that train—I had previously seen the prisoner</p>
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<p>and Smith on several occasions—I have watched Smith's house and seen the prisoner go in and come out of it—on 8th July I saw the prisoner come out of 19, Shaftesbury Street, where he was lodging—from thence he went to Cross Street, City Road, to a coffee-shop—he remained there gome time, and then came out with another man—I saw him in Lombard Street speak to constable Clearing, and then go to a telegraph office in Founder's Court—he stayed there some time and came out—Smith was not there—he joined the other man, who was with him, and they both went to Old Swan Pier, and from there to Chelsea—on 11th July I saw the pri
<lb/>soner go to the
<hi rend="italic">Clerkenwell News</hi> office, in Myddelton Street, with Zelman—as he came out he was reading a letter, which he tore in pieces and threw away—I picked up the pieces and have put them together—this is it—it is addressed
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Z., Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell—on 17th July I saw the prisoner go to Mr. La Riviere's Bliop, in Clifton Street, Finsbury—he was alone—he then went to Mr. Bailey's, in Hill Street, Finsbury, a car
<lb/>man's—I saw him talk to a man in the yard there, and I afterwards saw a cart driven by that man to Mr. La Riviere's door—I saw the prisoner and Smith take out the two presses and load them in the cart—I followed the cart to 76, Gray's Inn Road, and there saw the prisoner take them out and take them into the house—I have seen the prisoner several times since then going in and coming out of that house—I was present when he was apprehended.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-139" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN MOSS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Police Sergeant</hi>). I have been watching the prisoner for the last mopth or two, under directions—on 3rd August I appre
<lb/>hended him at Finch's public-house, Middle Row, Holborn—when I went in I saw him sitting on a seat there—I said, "What is your name?"—he said, "Johnson; why do you ask?"—at that time Inspector Foulger and Green came in—I told the prisoner we were police officers of the City of London, and we should charge him with being concerned in forging 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes of the Union Bank of Scotland—he at once took from his pocket a parcel and said, "Here are two things I had left with me forhalf-an-hour"—I handed that parcel to Inspector Foulger, and said, "Have you anything else relating to this matter?"—he said, "Yes, I have a piece of paper," taking from his pocket this piece of tracing paper and a specimen taken from the plate—at this time Inspector Foulger opened the parcel—he first asked him if he know what the parcel contained—he said, "Yes"—he then produced these plates from it and asked if he had ever seen them before—he said, "Once or twice, in Smith's possession"—we then conveyed him to the station—I searched him—among other things, I found twenty keys—one of those keys was shown to him, and he was asked what it belonged to, and he said either to his portmanteau or his box, he supposed—I afterwards went with Foulger and Green to 76, Gray's Inn Road, and with that key I opened a padlock on the door of the kitchen or place where the presses were—we found in that room the two presses for printing, and some pieces of paper, the same as this, damped ready for striking off—the prisoner gave his address 19, Shaftesbury Street—we went there and found in a leather case 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in Scotch notes, some loose clay, and a piece of newspaper—some of the notes were on the Union Bank of Scotland, and I think 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was of the City of Glasgow Bank—they have since been given up to him—on searching him I found a left-luggage ticket of the North-Western Railway, Euston Square, dated 21st June—I ascertained that three packages had been left there for which this ticket was given.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did not the prisoner say, "I have got two things</p>
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<p>left with me for half-an-hour by a man who promised to come back to me?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe he did—he was asked who the man was, and he said his name was Smith—I believe the plates were in a piece of tissue paper first, and then in a piece of brown paper—the other papers I believe he took from his inside pocket, I believe not from the same pocket that he took the plates, but I will not be positive of that—I found on him a pocket-book, and there might have been a letter or two—this paper was folded up as it is now, the impression was inside the tissue paper—the prisoner said, "I know nothing about them except that they were left with me by Smith"—I did not receive any particular information to take him into custody that day—it was between four and five in the afternoon—I had seen Smith about two o'clock, and Zelman about half-past four with the prisoner, not with Smith—I did not see Zelman at the public-house—I did not see the prisoner go in—I received information from Green, who was watching him more closely than I was—he was not in communication with Smith or Zelman—they had no knowledge that Green was watching them until perhaps two or three days previously—I was not in the public-house by accident.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-140" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-140" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN FOULGER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Police Inspector</hi>). On 20th June the witness Smith came with Zelman to me at the Bow Lane Station—Smith made a statement to me, and I gave him instructions how to act—I afterwards saw him and Zelman on the 26th June, and frequently since, and have communicated throughout with Mr. Mullens, the solicitor—I was present when the prisoner was apprehended—he was searched—he had these two copper plates in his breast pocket—I heard Moss examined at the Mansion House—he then gave a correct account of what passed.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did not the prisoner tell you that the key which, opened the workshop in Gray's Inn Road was Smith's?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; he said he thought it belonged to his portmanteau, or to one of his boxes—it was a new key and lock—I have the keys here; a number of them were on a ring, except these two; one of them fits the latch of the door where he lives, and the other a cupboard—this key was not on the ring, but detached.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-141" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-141" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED HUMPHRIES</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the office of the
<hi rend="italic">Clerhenwell News</hi>—I produce the manuscript of an advertisement for a lithographic press, which was put in our paper on the 4th July.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-142" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-142" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-142" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES MEARING</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City Policeman</hi> 608). On the 8th July I saw the prisoner near Birchin Lane—he came up and asked me the nearest tele
<lb/>graph office to send a message into the country—I directed him to 27, Cornhill—he asked me whether Gresham House, Broad Street, was not nearer; I told him no—the constable Green came up and spoke to me immediately afterwards.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-143" type="given" value="CHARLES ROBERT"/>CHARLES ROBERT BROOK</persName> </hi>. I am a coffee-house keeper at the corner of Cross Street, Westmoreland Place, City Road—I have known the prisoner three or four months, as a customer merely—I did not know him by any name in particular; we called him "Scotch Charley," because we did not know his name—on the 8th July he came there and I went with him to the New North Road, and took a bus to the Bank—he spoke to a constable, and then went to a telegraph office in Cornhill—we then went to a tele
<lb/>graph office in Founder's Court, Lothbury—he went in and I waited outside—when he came out he told me he had remitted some money to Birminghnm, and if I saw Sam (
<hi rend="italic">that was Zelman</hi>) I was to tell him he bud remitted the money—it was either 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You seem to have the advantage of Mr. Zelman's</p>
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<p>acquaintance?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have known him about twelve months—he is a dealer in jewellery—he is passing the bankruptcy as a dealer in jewellery—he has had his protection renewed several times—I suppose it is eight or nine months ago that he became bankrupt—he comes from Poland—I know two or three gentlemen who have known him all his lifetime, and they knew him in Poland—the last time he went to have his protection renewed was on the 8th July, at the time we were at the telegraph office—I knew nothing of him except as a dealer in jewellery—that is the only mode he has of getting his living that I know of—he had no shop or counting-house—I believe he was entrusted with jewellery to sell—he used to get it anywhere he could—he had a lodging in Herbert Street; I never visited him there—I don't know that he had a sky parlour, for which he paid 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—the only way I knew his address was by his belonging to a building society that I am trustee to, and he gave his address Herbert Street when I took his name down as a member—I can hardly say that I know Smith—he has not been in my place more than three or four times, and I never knew him out of it—he did not pass himself off as a litho
<lb/>grapher by trade—I did not know till lately that he was in that way—I was never at his place—Smith has been three or four times to my place during the last three or four months, Zelman frequently, and the prisoner with them—I did not learn from the prisoner that he was going into business with Smith as a printer and lithographer, and that he was to find the capital—I last saw Zelman about three weeks ago I think—I believe it was in Guy's Hospital—he is a young man, about twenty-five or twenty
<lb/>six, and a very sharp young man.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-144" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-144" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-144" type="surname" value="BROCKELHURST"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-144" type="given" value="SAMUEL HENRY"/>SAMUEL HENRY BROCKELHURST</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the office of the Electric Telegraph Office, Lothbury—I have a transcript of a message given for transmission on 8th July, not to me, but to another clerk—by the rules of our company we are bound to have the Judge's order before we produce it. (
<hi rend="italic">The</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">having ordered its production, the witness handed it in.</hi>)</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-145" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-145" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-145" type="surname" value="POWNALL"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-145" type="given" value="JAMES EDWARD"/>JAMES EDWARD POWNALL</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the same office—this telegram was brought to me on 8th July to be sent to Birmingham, to the best of my belief by the prisoner—he also gave me 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to be remitted, and it was remitted to the National Provincial Bank there.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-146" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-146" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-146" type="surname" value="HAWKER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-146" type="given" value="JANE"/>JANE HAWKER</persName> </hi>. I live at 76, Gray's Inn Road—in July there was a bill in my window for a kitchen to let—on 15th July the prisoner called alone and hired the kitchen, at 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—he paid a week's rent in advance—he afterwards paid more rent, three weeks altogether—he wrote a receipt for the first week's rent, and I signed it—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did he tell you when he was hiring the room that he was hiring it for a friend of his, and that they were going into business together as printers?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; not together—he said it was for a friend—the witness Smith and another person used to be there frequently—I remember the presses being brought.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-147" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-147" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-147" type="surname" value="REID"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-147" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES REID</persName> </hi>. I am cashier of the Union Bank of Scotland—we are in the habit of issuing 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes payable to bearer—I have seen these two plates; they represent portions of the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes issued by the bank—one plate represents the front part, and the other the scroll on the back—this impression (
<hi rend="italic">the one found on the prisoner</hi>) represents a portion of a note issued by us—it is not complete—some part is wanting—one signature is wanting, and the ornamental part is not filled up, but the wording is there—the bank is registered—I have the certificate of incorporation.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Is the bank constituted under a royal charter?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, by Act of Parliament—there is a board of directors—they order the manufacture of notes; I superintend and see their orders carried out—I give the orders to the printers for all engraving of notes; the order is given in writing—I may do it or the secretary; but it comes through me—if the secretary writes, it is through my instructions; the secretary is not here—Messrs. Bacon, Perkins, and Co., of London, are the persons employed to engrave our plates.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-148" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-148" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-148" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-148" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD SMITH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I have been living in my present lodgings about twelve or fifteen months—I pay 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18670923-882-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-882-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-882-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18670923-882-punishment-29" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-882-18670923 t18670923-882-punishment-29"/>Ten Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<p>883.
<persName id="def1-883-18670923" type="defendantName">
<interp inst="def1-883-18670923" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="def1-883-18670923" type="age" value="23"/>
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<interp inst="def1-883-18670923" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE PHILLIPS</hi> (23)</persName> was indicted
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<interp inst="t18670923-883-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="kill"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-883-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="murder"/> for the wilful murder of
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-150" type="surname" value="CLEARY"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-150" type="given" value="JANE"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18670923-883-offence-1 t18670923-name-150"/>Jane Cleary</persName>.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. DALY</hi>, and
<hi rend="smallCaps">HOUSTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-151" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-151" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-151" type="surname" value="CLEARY"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-151" type="given" value="HUGH"/>HUGH CLEARY</persName> </hi>. I am a shoe-maker, of 9, Gee's Court, Oxford Street—on Saturday night, 11th August, after twelve o'clock, I saw the prisoner in Gee's Court, Oxford Street—he said to my mother-in-law that he would kill all the lot, and he came down to my door and made use of the same words, lhat he would kill all the b----lot—I said, "I am a poor weak man, I don't want no fighting; I have nothing to do with you, but you won't kill me," and I struck him—we fought, and he knocked me down three times—my wife came down out of bed and took me away, and shoved me into my landlord's—I was in there between a quarter and half an hour—when I came out I was told that my wife's head was cut open, and I saw her in Oxford Street, standing with her hands up to her head, and the blood running down her back—I said, "Who has done that?"—she said, "George, the man you were fighting with"—the prisoner was not there then—I took her to the hospital—we had not been drinking; all the drink I and my wife had was one half-pint of beer at our supper—we went to bed, but my breath was so bad that I was obliged to go down to the door—I have been ill for three years with diseased heart and con
<lb/>sumption, and my wife has been my chief support—the prisoner was sober—I had never spoken to him before.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I was perfectly sober—I never spoke to the man till he attacked me as I was passing his door with a female; he came up to me and said, "Do you want to fight?"—I said, "Fight? you ought to think of something else," and he hit me in the mouth and made it bleed.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I did not say I would fight him—I did strike him first, be
<lb/>cause he said he would kill all the b----lot—there was a woman with him—she went away—my wife did nothing but take me away.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-152" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-152" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-152" type="surname" value="FRESHWATER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-152" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FRESHWATER</persName> </hi>. I am a waiter, of 25, James Street, Oxford Street—on a Saturday evening, six weeks ago, I saw the last witness fighting with a man in Gee's Court; I did not see his face; I could not say it was the prisoner—I saw the deceased come and fetch her husband away, and push him inside a door—she came out again to prevent the man from going in after her husband—the man mumbled something, caught hold of her by the shoulders, and pushed her down, and while she was on the ground he kicked her with his foot, at the back of the head I believe; I did not see the wound, but I saw blood come out of the head—he might have done it a second time, but I only saw him do it once—I might have been two or three yards away from him.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did not the husband and wife come out again together?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; she came out and held the door—she had only got her gown on—</p>
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<p>I was knocked down and had my ribs kicked in, not by you, but through your affair—there was not half a dozen people in the court when I passed, only those who were looking out of windows—I was attacked because I said what a shame it was to hit the old man—they were all sober, by what I could see.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-153" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-153" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-153" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-153" type="given" value="MARGARET"/>MARGARET SMITH</persName> </hi>. I am a widow, and live at 13, Gray's Buildings—on Saturday, 11th August, I was passing through Gee's Court from Oxford Street, and saw the prisoner and a woman having a squabble, jangling together—I saw him push her down, using a bad word—she fell backwards, and He made a kick at her—where he kicked her I can't say; I saw blood—I called him a brute, and said he ought to be locked up.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-154" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-154" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-154" type="surname" value="RANDALL"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-154" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES RANDALL</persName> </hi>. I live at 7, Gee's Court, and am a tin-plate worker—I was in the barber's shop on this night; I heard a row in the court, and saw five of them pitching on to the prisoner, fighting him; there were two females, the deceased's father, her husband, and son—I picked up his cap when the row was over, and said, "George, come away; it is no good fighting with them"—I saw the deceased go ia doors with her husband and shut the door, and the prisoner went up the court with his mouth bleeding, and I saw no more.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-155" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-155" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-155" type="surname" value="DIBBIN"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-155" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD DIBBIN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police Sergeant</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">D</hi>). I took the prisoner into custody on the 10th—I told him it was for causing the death of Jane Cleary four weeks ago—he said, "Very well; there was a fearful row at the time, fighting all round; I was dreadfully pitched into, and I may have kicked her."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-156" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-156" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-156" type="surname" value="THOMAS"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-156" type="given" value="MONTAGUE"/>MONTAGUE THOMAS</persName> </hi>. I am a surgeon, in High Street, Marylebone—on 30th August I was called to 9, Gee's Court, to attend the deceased, as medical officer of the parish—my assistant saw her first, the day previous—she was suffering from inflammation of the brain—she had a curved scalp-wound extending from the vertex to the left temple—I could form no notion of what had produced it; a kick might do it—I attended her till 9th September, when she died of inflammation of the brain, caused by the wound.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was the wound recent?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The cut was four and a half inches long, and about two-thirds of it had healed when I saw her; I should imagine it had been done about a fortnight; it was not contused—it had healed by the first indention; it must have been a pretty clean cut—falling against the sharp edge of a door might produce it.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Do you think my boots, which were very bad, would cause such a wound.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A boot very much worn of course would not—(
<hi rend="italic">examining the prisoner's boot</hi>)—I think this might cause it—the deceased had been in the Middlesex Hospital before I saw her—she was in bed the whole time she was under my care.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18670923-883-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18670923-883-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="notGuilty"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-883-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
<p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW CQURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, September</hi> 25
<hi rend="italic">th, and Thursday</hi>, 26
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1867.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Justice Lush.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="def1-884-18670923" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="def1-884-18670923" type="given" value="JOHN"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN WIGGINS</hi> </persName> was indicted
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<interp inst="t18670923-884-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="kill"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18670923-884-offence-1 t18670923-name-158"/>Agnes Oaks</persName>.</rs> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COLLINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">STRAIGHT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-159" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-159" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-159" type="surname" value="OAKS"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-159" type="given" value="ROSE ELLEN"/>ROSE ELLEN OAKS</persName> </hi>. I am in service at 62, Fore Street, Limehouse—the deceased, Agnes Oaks, was my sister—she and I had been in London</p>
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<p>about two years—we had no relations or friends in London; we came up as strangers—her age was twenty-two—I know the prisoner; he lived at 1, Temperance Cottages, North Street, Limehouse—my sister has lived with him as his wife about six months—I saw her on the Sunday week before I saw her dead—she was then at home, up stairs with the prisoner; they were quarrelling—I think it was about some money—I did not see him do anything to her, nor threaten to do anything to her—my sister said she would leave him in the week; she would not live with him any longer, she would go to a situation—she had been a domestic servant—I did not see her again till she was in her coffin, on the day of the inquest.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When she said she would leave him in the week, and would not be with him any longer, did he say anything?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I am sure she said so in his presence.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-160" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-160" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-160" type="surname" value="WILTSHIRE"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-160" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN WILTSHIRE</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of John Wiltshire, labourer, and live at present at Brunswick Road, Gravesend—I formerly lived next door to the prisoner, at 2, Temperance Cottages—I knew the deceased quite well—I went to Gravesend on Tuesday morning, 23rd July—I had seen the deceased every day—I saw her on the previous Saturday up to quite late in the evening—I saw her as late as eleven o'clock—the prisoner was not with her then—I saw him with her in his room when it was get
<lb/>ting dark—I went there because they were having a few words—I had not been very well, and was lying down—my window was open; and theirs also—I heard him say a bad word, and heard a shriek—he used some very bad words—I do not think I can repeat them, if you will please to excuse me—I heard her scream, and went in—the prisoner had her by her hair, and had kicked her twice.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. You did not see him do that?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was at the door, and before I could get to her he kicked her on the back of the head and under the blade-bone.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When you went in what did you see him doing?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He held her by the hair at the foot of the bedstead, near the window; and I said "Oh! John, John, what are you doing?"—she was in a stooping position—I saw him kick her twice—I did not see him kick her before I got in but I did see him kick her; he had her by the hair and kicked her—I could not come to her assistance before he kicked her; and I said, "Oh! John, John, what are you doing of? You will be sorry for what you have done presently,"</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi> You shoved him off her?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; on to the foot of the bed—I had seen what she had been doing to him: she had thrown the tea-things at him, and the teapot also—I saw them all about, and the sugar also—the disturbance was became she had been too long gone on an errand to get a chop—I heard that said when the prisoner was there—the deceased said to me that she was to leave to go to service—she said he had promised her money to get more clothes to go to service—that was a week previous to this occurrence—the prisoner was not present when she told me.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Am I to understand that you saw him kick her?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—at the back of her head—that was on the Satur
<lb/>day evening before the Wednesday—I ran hastily into the room, and can
<lb/>not say that it was a violent kick—she must have been very violent to have thrown the teapot at him—the teapot and all went together—I was ex
<lb/>amined by the Coroner, and not by the Magistrate—I was only called before the Magistrate once, and then my evidence was not heard—I was sworn once, but is is impossible for me to say why I did not give my evidence—</p>
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<p>Mr. Paget said the evidence was too far gone for him to take my evidence—I have seen Elizabeth Hampton—I did not hear her examined before the Coroner—I have seen her—I do not know she was examined before the Coroner—I saw her come into the room, but did not hear her examined—the deceased was of a very happy disposition at times—I did not see her in a distressed state; if she was she must have passed it over—she said she would not lead such a life, if her mother was living she would not allow her to live such an unhappy life; and that they had been asked in church—she said she wished things were settled, that he would do one thing or the other, as she could not live so unhappily as she was—I might probably have said before the Coroner, "I never heard Wiggins threaten to take her life—she has said she could not live such an unhappy life, he did not seem as if he would do right by her"—she has said so frequently—that was said in connection with would fehe go to service or would he make her his wife—I never heard him say that he would not forgive her—I never heard her say, "I feel I could make away with myself"—she said she would go to service, and see happy days yet—I mean to say that I never heard her say, "I feel I could make away with myself"—I do not know whether Elizabeth Hampton is here—I have known her since a little after Christmas—she came there to live—the deceased has been frequently to my house—my door was never closed—I have been there these eight years, and have been in the habit of going to the prisoner's house much—I know the old people well; as well as I do my father and mother, almost—the deceased had been living with him since a little after Christmas—I saw her every day—the two houses are close together, and I have to pass their door to get every drop of water for my teakettle or to wash my place—I spoke to her as if she was my own child—I have been in the habit of speaking to her daily almost from Christmas to July—this occurred on the Saturday previous to the affair of Wednesday—I am quite sure of that—I saw her on the Tuesday before, in the morning—she came into my house—that was the morning I went to Gravesend—I was in Gravesentl by two o'clock—we had very little conversation, she only remained a few minutes, and then I left home for Grravesend—I came back next morning, Wednesday.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When you saw her on Tuesday, in what state was she?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Very comfortable, but the old lady, Mrs. Wiggins, was sadly, and she was doing all she could for the whole of them—her age is sixty
<lb/>nine or seventy—she was ill at that time—she is subject to illness at times—I attended the police-court regularly, and was sworn—I have seen Mr. Youug, he is the prisoner's solicitor—he objected to my evidence, and I was not examined.</p>
<p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-161" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-161" type="surname" value="TRUSS"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-161" type="given" value="MARTHA"/>MARTHA TRUSS</persName> </hi>. I am landlady of the Golden Lion, St. George's Road, St. George's-in-the-East—I saw the prisoner on Tuesday night, 23rd July—he was in my public-house—I said, "Well, Wiggins, how are you getting on?"—he said, "Very badly"—I said, "I am sorry to hear that; how is that?"—he said, "It is on account of the young woman I have been living with not turning out what I expected"—I said, "I am very sorry to hear that; if you cannot be happy and comfortable together you had better part; you are not compelled to live with her if you are not married"—he said, "No, I am determined to get rid of her"—he did not say in what way she had not turned out what he expected—my gas was lighted; it was, I think, between nine and ten o'clock.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You have never been examined</p>
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<p>before, either before the Coroner or the Magistrate?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—when I heard of the murder it brought it so fresh to my memory that the young man was in front of the bar—I read this in the newspapers, and mentioned it in front of my bar in the hearing of some persons, and then the inspector came and asked me—I have known Wiggins seven or eight years by using my house when I lived at Stepney, but I had not seen him for some time—he never did me any harm, and I should be sorry to say anything against him—I thought he meant parting with her—I entertained a good opinion of him at that time, having seen him some years, and observed his conduct and demeanour—he was not in the habit of coming there very frequently, but he used to come to my other house—I do not know a great deal about him, only by coming in front of the bar—I cannot say exactly what time it was—I know my gas was alight—it might be between eight or nine, or a little earlier—I never saw the deceased, and I did not know that he was living with a woman till he told me—I did not know exactly where he lived; it was not near my house—now that I have heard, I should think that it was two miles off, or not quite so far—I did not see him on the 23rd—it was the Tuesday before the murder was committed—other persons saw him in the public-house—I could not tell you the time exactly—I have so many customers come in that I did not notice—I know it was between nine and ten—I cannot tell within half an hour.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-162" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-162" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-162" type="surname" value="BURLEY"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-162" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BURLEY</persName> </hi>. I am a pawnbroker's assistant, living at 1, Waterloo Terrace, Commercial Road East—I know the prisoner—on 20th May, 1867, I advanced him a sovereign on a gold watch, and gave him a dupli
<lb/>cate—on 20th July that same ticket was brought to me by a woman—I produce the ticket to-day—from something she said, I lent her another sovereign on the same gold watch—I do not know who she was—she said she wanted a pound on her husband's watch—the name on the ticket is "John Wiggins."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-163" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-163" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-163" type="surname" value="MARTIGNA"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-163" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH MARTIGNA</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Alfred Martigna, of 3, Rhodes
<lb/>well Road, Limehouse—that is on the other side of the canal from the prisoner's cottage, right opposite to it—this is my house, as shown in the model, and this is the prisoner's—on Wednesday morning, 24th July, I was awoke at ten minutes to two by screams of "Murder!" proceeding across the canal from the direction of Temperance Cottages, the prisoner's house, but I do not speak of any particular house—there are only two Temperance Cottages—I looked at my watch, and it was exactly ten minutes to two—I looked through the window across the canal—the window was shut—I did not open it—I heard the cry from three to four times—the first words I heard were, "You b----old bitch, you are murdering of me"—it was a strong female voice—I heard repeated cries of "Murder!"—I next heard, "They are murdering me!"—I got into bed and heard the church clock distinctly go two—my husband was sleeping with me—he was asleep, and I did not wake him—the clock struck, it may have been a minute or two after I returned to bed—it was a very short time—I heard the cries of "Murder!" perhaps two or three times—I cannot say positively—I heard the words, "You b----old bitch," more than the words of "Murder!"—I mean I heard them oftener—the window was shut and I did not open it—it lifts up and down—I did not hear next morning what had taken place at the cottages, not till five o'clock in the evening—I am sure those cries were on the morning of that day.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> The canal in between your house and the prisoner's house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—the cries came from tshe direction of</p>
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<p>the prisoner's house—there are a great many houses round there—in Little North Street there are some—there is no thoroughfare through the street, is there is the canal—I do not know if there are streets leading from North Street, as I do not go round to that side—there is a towing-path by the canal at the back of my house—there is not a towing-path on the other side—the back of my house is to the canal—I thought these were merely words between man and wife—I do not often hear disturbances in that neighbourhood—I have heard them, but never took notice of them—I have heard rows in that district between men and women—I cannot say whether they were between men and their wives—on this night I heard only a female voice, and when there have been disturbances in the street I have heard both male and female voices—the reason I noticed it is because I heard the cry of "Murder!"—if it had been anything else I should not have got out of bed to look, and I got up and looked and saw nothing—I thought it was a man illusing his wife—I heard the words, "Old bitch," and I thought it was very strange for a wife to address those words to her husband—I cannot say when I had heard disturbances before, or how often I have heard them—I did not take notice—I have never been disturbed at night by noises or disturbances from the same quarter—it must be very close to the bottom of the street, or I should not hear it across the canal—I have been lying in bed and heard noises, but have not been asleep—I have never been awoke by them—I cannot say whether I have heard them about the same time, because I have not looked at my watch, and I have no clock in the room—I might not be awake, and I have never had disturb
<lb/>ances to awake me—I never noticed the time—I have heard noises, and cannot say whether it was about the same time—the disturbances I have heard were men and women quarrelling—I have not heard the words—I have heard voices without hearing words—I have heard voices and did not know what it was, being unable to hear what they said—I never was awoke by them—I have heard the noises going up to bed.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You looked at your watch; had you a light in the room?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I lit a candle and looked at my watch, it was then ten minutes to two—I looked out both before and after I lit the candle—I saw no light in any of these houses—I saw no people about.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-164" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-164" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-164" type="surname" value="TUCKER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-164" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN TUCKER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman</hi> 458
<hi rend="italic">K</hi>). On the morning of 24th July I was on duty in Henry Street, Limehouse, about thirty-five or forty yards up—I came into Henry Street about two in the morning, and stood here (
<hi rend="italic">pointing to a spot on a model</hi>)—I heard a cry of "Murder!" proceeding from the direction of the Regent's Canal—we call it the "Cut"—the prisoner's house is on the other side of the canal, but I did not know then where it was—the cry came from that direction—that would be fifty or sixty yards from the canal—I went to the towing-path and along it—it was very dark—I had to turn on my light—I did not cross the canal—I had not the means of doing so—I heard nothing else, it was all quiet, the sound had died away—I returned into the Rhodeswell Road, which is on the eastern side of the canal, and was trying the door of a beer-house when Limehouse Church struck two—it was a female's voice that I heard, and the cry was as of a person in great distress—I only heard one cry of "Murder!"—I heard nothing more at all.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you seen this plan?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—this is the prisoner's house, and I know that this correctly represents it—I do not know the distance in yards—I corrected this scale—it was represented that I was at the corner, but I was where this pin is,</p>
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<p>in Henry Street—I heard a distinct cry of "Murder!" I am upon my oath—the sound came from the direction of the water—I went straight to the canal—I got under the fence, and under the railway arch, which is a very dangerous place—I then went along the towing-path, and when I got there I paused and looked round, when I lost the sound—I listened some time, but did not hear it repeated—the sound became fainter as I went along—it was a lusty cry, a prolonged cry, as if a person was stopping their breath, it was one cry prolonged; it became faint—I was on the "Cut" side when I lost it, on the towing-path at the back of the house.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you say that the sound continued from the spot where you were till you got to the towing-path?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was very faint then, and it died off the water as a person would shout on the water; whether it was the re-echo across the water I cannot tell.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Before the Magistrate you said, "I heard a cry of "Murder!" which came from the direction of the water; I went to the side of the towing-path; all was quiet; I returned to my beat, and went along the Rhodeswell Road:" is that quite correct?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—it was a lusty cry; when it was first made it was a loud voice, as if a person was being strangled, held by another person; the voice became fainter—I heard the echo on the water, and then I lost the sound, or else I should have gone further—I will not swear that I heard the echo on the water, but I traced it to the water—I heard it till I came to the towing-path, and then I lost it.; there was no more sound—the sound came in that direction, and I went in that direction—when I came to the towing-path I heard the sound, and I went along the towing-path to where I directed your pen, and then retraced my steps, and came to the public-house at the corner—I came round under the railway arch into that road, and then went under the arch again, and along this road to the beer-shop—I went a short distance the other side of the arch—I was trying the doors as I went along—I went to the third door, that is the beer-shop, 1 did not stop there two seconds, and then proceeded on my beat to the corner of Georgina Place—I paused a short time at this corner, and then continued on my beat down here at two o'clock—the cries came from the water—I did not know the prisoner's house then.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You did not know it then, but you know it now?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—the cry came from the canal, in the direction of this thread; it came across the railway, from the direction of the prisoner's house, as I now know.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you know that at the time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I had never done duty there—I knew in what direction it came, I traced the sound—I did not know that the sound came from this direction, or else I should have gone there—I knew it came in the direction of the railway—I know in what particular direction off the water it came—I told you I did not know from what house it came to the water, if I recollect rightly—I swear that the sound came across the rail—I believe it came from that house, but did not know the house then.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say that it came from the water; that might be this side of the railway or the other; you are asked whether you could tell from what direction if came?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Across the water, in the direction in which the line is drawn.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> On that night did you know, or think, or believe that the sound you heard came from that direction where the house is?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe it did come from that direction, from that side of the water—I be
<lb/>lieved</p>
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<p>on that night that it came from about the spot where the house is—I did not go there because I could not trace the sound, and I had no means of crossing the canal unless I had gone some considerable distance to a bridge—if I had gone round I should have gone to another sub-division—I did not like to interfere with my brother constable unless I was certain, and I was not certain anything had occurred; it would not be enough excuse for me unless something had occurred—I have heard cries of distress in that neighbourhood, but not of murder—the Commercial Road is at the extreme corner of the left of the plan, it is not represented there—I am well acquainted with the neighbourhood, and know every street and turn of it—Rhodeswell Road does not lead into the Commercial Road—the sounds I hare heard were like drunken prostitutes—I have been in the force a little over two years, and I have been the keeper of a lunatic asylum—the sounds of distress I have heard were prostitutes crying, "You b----"that does not mean, "You bitch"—I never heard cries of, "You b----bitch, and you b----b—"—I have heard one prostitute calling another so—I never heard it on that side the water—I heard it about Christmas time, when I was in the Commercial Road, when one prostitute has been fighting with another, and I have taken them in custody—I have heard cries of "You b----b—"and "You b----a—," and such like expressions—I can recognise any of the prostitutes' voices who I know when I am on duty—I have never heard cries of "Murder!" in my life during the time I have been a policeman—I told nobody that night of the cries I heard; I made no report of it—I did not believe that anything had occurred, but I heard of a party being accused, and then I mentioned it at the station—I heard that a woman was killed, and I said that it must be about that time—that was the first time I mentioned it to anybody except to my wife.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you hear of the murder?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> When I went on duty on the Thursday night—what I have been speaking of was On Wed
<lb/>nesday morning, about ten minutes to two—I heard of the murder on the Wednesday night when I was going on duty—I have made a mistake in the day.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You heard the cry first when you were in Henry Street, where this pin is, and you went in the direction of the water?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I went along the towing-path to what is called the horse-pond, that is in the direction in which the cry came—I traced it as far as I could, but heard no further cry—I came back here and went to the beer-shop—I tried the door of the Rising Sun, and then the clock struck two—I am quite sure the cry was before the clock struck two—I go on duty at ten at night and remain till six in the morning—I was in bed all Wednes
<lb/>day after my night duty, and on the Wednesday night I heard what had taken place as I was going on duty, and then I stated what I had heard—there is the Victory bridge, but there is no bridge across the canal close here—it is a long distance, away, by the gas factory—the bridge is by the gas works, a considerable distance off—it was very dark and a very still night—it is a very low neighbourhood—I have had occasion to take a great many persons in custody from there—the forty thieves of Donkey Row live there, who we are so pestered with.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-165" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-165" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-165" type="surname" value="LONG"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-165" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA LONG</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Conrad Long, of 83, Lower North Street, quite close to the prisoner's cottage—on Wednesday morning, 24th July my husband was ill in bed, and I heard cries of" Murder!" opposite the prisoner's wall, I mean from the prisoner's wall—I cannot positively say whether it was a woman's voice or a man's, but it was a very cry of "Murder!"—it was</p>
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<p>ten minutes to two by my clock—I was going to give my husband me
<lb/>dicine—my window was shut—I did not open it, only the curtain—the curtain is always open; I never open the window—I went to bed again and took no further notice—I only heard the cry once—on the same morn
<lb/>ing, about ten minutes to five, I was disturbed by old Mr. Wiggins, the prisoner's father, coming into my passage crying "Murder!"—I know it was ten minutes to five, because my lodger went out to work, and as he opened the door and went out Mr. Wiggins came into my passage, but I did not see him—I was up stairs and heard his voice; I knew him by his voice—I looked out at my window and saw the prisoner standing opposite—they got him a chair, and he sat down right opposite—my window, on his side of the road, by the gate—I saw a mob of people assembling—he was dressed in bis guernsey, and had his hand up to his neck—Mr. Williams got him a chair to sit down—he is a next-door neighbour—I saw the prisoner sit down in it in the street—I got up, dressed myself, and went to the prisoner's house, and when I got in there I saw old Mrs. Wiggins, the prisoner's mother—that was the first time I had seen her that morning—she was sitting on a chair down stairs, dressed in a dark gown—her hands were full of blood, and Mrs. Dunn washed them, that is Mrs. Johnson—she goes by the name of Dunn—I did not see the prisoner's father at that time; I saw no more—I did not go up stairs—the prisoner had been taken away in a cab before I came out—my husband is still in bed—he is not able to get out—I do not know when I go back whether I shall see him alive—Dr. Fowler, who attends him, is here—I was present when the Magistrate came with the prisoner to our house to examine my husband—the prisoner was present, and his soli
<lb/>citor also, and the Magistrate's clerk—this is my husband's signature to this paper.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What is the name of the street you live in?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Little North Street—it is a very short street; there is a beer-house at the far corner, not near the prisoner's house, but at the other end—it is the Carpenters' Arms—there is Upper North Street and Lower North Street—there is the North Pole and another beer-shop there—Little North Street leads into Bignell Street—there is a public-house and two beer-houses a very little distance from each other—there is not more than one public-house—there are houses with their backs to Our house; they are in Carr Street—the only public-house there is the Vic
<lb/>tory—there is no public-house near the canal, only on the other side near the towing-path—I do not know how many there are—I told my husband that night what I heard—I did not think much about it, and did not want to have anything to do with it—what I heard did not make much im
<lb/>pression on me at the time—I did not mention it till next morning—I first mentioned it next morning to Mrs. Patmore, at the bottom of the house, about eight o'clock—I said nothing to Turner the inspector—I saw Ban
<lb/>nister—it is a noisy neighbourhood, particularly on Saturday nights, mostly so on Saturday about twelve o'clock—I have heard many dis
<lb/>turbances—they have roused me out of my sleep often, particularly since last May, because I get no rest, with my husband being so wakeful less noise would rouse me up—I have heard quarrelling and fighting and very bad language, but never heard cries of "Murder!" till that night, and I have been seventeen years in that neighbourhood—I only knew the Wig
<lb/>gins's as neighbours—I have not heard noises on the other side of the canal—the disturbances are all in my district.</p>
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<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I think you said that the prisoner was dressed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—when I saw him from my window he had his boots on—I could distinguish that; it is a narrow little street.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-166" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-166" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-166" type="surname" value="FOWLER"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-166" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FOWLER</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Royal College of Physicians—I have been attending Conrad Long—I saw him last on Sunday—he is not able to attend here or to travel.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">The deposition of Conrad Long was here read as follows</hi>:—"I live at 83, Lower North Street, husband of Eliza Long—I remember the morning of 24th ult. (Wednesday) at two o'clock—I remember my wife giving me some medicine; I afterwards fell asleep—I heard a hallooing out of "Murder!" and that woke me; it was then between lights—I looked out of the window, which is close to my bed—I saw prisoner's mother, she was, hallooing out, "Murder!"—she came out of the door into the street—she called, "Murder!" two or three times, and then walked in again—she had a knife in her hand, it looked a longish knife; I am sure it was a knife—I observed nothing about her hands or the knife, as it was too dark—it was light enough to see it was a knife, but not to see if anything was on it—prisoner's father then came out, he clapped his hands and said, 'Well, this is a sight'—he then went in—after a little prisoner came out—I did not see him come out of the house, but I saw him sitting opposite my window on a chair—at first he was standing up, and then they fetched the chair, and I saw prisoner sit down—my wife was in bed with me at first, and then she got up and went out—prisoner's mother had her gown on when she came out, she was not in her night-clothes.</p>
<p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. YOUNG</hi>. It might be ten or fifteen minutes from the time the old woman came out till prisoner came out—my wife was awake when pri
<lb/>soner came out—the clock was going, I did not look at it, I do not know why I did not look at it—prisoner's mother had a gown on, not a white nightdress—it was not light enough to see what colour the gown was—I remember Inspector Turner going to me on Thursday last—he asked me if I knew anything about this case—I said I knew very little about it—I did not say my attention was first attracted after five o'clock—I do not bow that I said so—I might have said that the time he was sitting over the way on a chair was about five o'clock—I cannot exactly say what I said to Inspector Turner, I told him there was a noise in the street, and that there was a noise in the street very often—I said I heard nothing unusual—I did not say anything to Mr. Turner about having seen prisoner's mother come out with a knife in her hand—I don't re
<lb/>member mentioning half-past five or six to Mr. Turner—I told him that I heard several persons cry out that a young woman's throat was cut—I did not say what time I heard this—I do not recollect saying so—I told him that when I heard the cry I looked out and saw Wiggins sitting in the street—I said William and several others were with prisoner—Mr. Turner asked me to tell him all I saw or heard—the reason why I did not tell him that I saw prisoner's mother with a knife is that I am on my sick bed, and did not want to have anything to do with it,
<hi rend="smallCaps">CONRAD LONG</hi>."</p>
<p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18670923-name-167" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18670923-name-167" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-167" type="surname" value="DUNN"/>
<interp inst="t18670923-name-167" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM DUNN</persName> </hi>. I live at 84, Lower North Street, by the side of the prisoner's cottage, and next door to Long's—I live with Elizabeth Johnson; she goes by my name—on Wednesday morning, 24th July, about ten minutes to five o'clock, cries of "Murder!" attracted my attention, proceeding from the opposite side of the road; I got out of bed, opened the window, and saw the prisoner's father in his shirt, with</p>
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<p>a pair of trousers under his arm, and a red night cap on; he was hallooing out "Murder!" on the opposite side of the road, the same side as the cottage—I saw the prisoner going from the cottage next door towards his cottage; he had been to call the shipwright, and was in the middle of the road—he had a blue guernsey on and brown cloth trousers and boots or shoes, and his left hand was up to his neck—I did not notice whether his handkerchief was on—I said from my window, "Jack, what is the matter?"—he said, "She has been and cut her own throat, and cut mine too; for God's sake come down and see what is the matter"—I put my clothes on and went down stairs and went right up to the prisoner's cottage, the first of these two—I went up stairs and saw old Mrs. Wiggins, the mother, on the landing, dressed in her
<hi rend="italic">shimmy</hi> and stockings—I went into the first floor room, my wife came up stairs behind me—there is no back room, it is the right-hand oom—when I got in the prisoner was standing opposite the deceased, alongside the table, with a knife in his hand—one part of the deceased was on the hearthrug and another on the floor—her head was under a chair, towards the wall, and her feet were towards the door—part of her body covered the rug—I did not notice whether her feet were beyond the hearthrug—her head was about six or seven inches from the wall—this plan (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) shows the position of the room; the window is here and the bedstead is against the window—this is the hearthrug—the head was within seven inches of this wall, resting on a pillow, which was at the back of her neck, and it hung so far back that I could not see her face at first—she was not quite on the back, but a little more on her left side—I noticed afterwards that there was a jacket with a handkerchief in it, under the pillow, but at that time I did not notice what was under the pillow—the underneath rail of the chair touched her chin—I noticed her throat, it was very much cut, and blood was running out of the windpipe, but not in much quantity—it was a bladder about as big as a pigeon's egg—she was dressed in her
<hi rend="italic">shimmy</hi>, nothing else; it was torn down in front to within a foot from the bottom, and there was some blood on it, but I did not notice how much—I cannot tell which is the front or the back of it now (
<hi rend="italic">looking at it</hi>)—I put my hand to her head and tried to ease her face from the chair, but I thought I was doing wrong and left off—I put my hand as near as I could to the beating of the heart, to see if there was life, and found there was none, and I touched her legs and found they were getting cold—when I felt her heart there was a kind of chill, she was
<hi rend="italic">loo</hi> warm—I felt only one leg, just on the shin part, and it was cold—I did not feel or touch any other part of the body—the prisoner was standing opposite the deceased, by her feet, with his back towards the door—he had this knife (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) in his hand, he put it on the table—I said, "Jack, for God's sake, what have you been doing of?"—he said, "Bill, she done it herself, and this is what she done it with"—he then put the knife on the table and walked out—I took a sheet off the bed and covered her over—there was no blood on the bed—I went out, leaviug the knife on the table, and went for a constable—when I came out of the room the mother was still on the landing, and my mistress with her—before I left the room I noticed blood on the seat of the chair, and a black apron covered over the chair—I did not lift the apron, but only a portion of it was covered—the blood on the knife was wet—I saw blood about the room, but did not notice it much, whether it was wet or dry—I did not notice the state of the blood anywhere except on the knife—I said to the old lady, "I will go for a constable"—I did not see the</p>
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<p>old man—there was no blood on the stairs—when I went out for a constable I was in my shirt-sleeves—I ran to the right and did not see one, and then to the left, and in about ten or eleven minutes I found a constable named Bannister between Catherine Street and Burney Street—I returned with him to the house, and found the prisoner sitting in a chair in the street, with his hand up to his neck—I did not notice whether he had a handkerchief on—I went into the house with the constable and up stairs—the doctor had not arrived—there was nobody in the room—the body was just as I had left it, with a sheet over it—I was there about a quarter of an hour before Mr. Horton, the doctor, came—I was in the room when he came, and re
<lb/>mained there, and came down stairs with him after he had looked at the body—the prisoner was still sitting in the street—I helped him into a cab to go the hospital—I was four or five minutes with the doctor—I was not there when the deceased was moved on to the bed, but I afterwards went up stairs again—Mr. Wiggins, the father, was then there, and two or three people—Mrs. Stunt was not there—I did not see the body moved; it was then on the bed, and I saw the prisoner's jacket, which he wore the day previously, under the pillow on which the deceased had laid.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined, by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> After you saw the body first you did not examine it very closely?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I put my hand on the region of the heart, as far as I could imagine my own heart lies—I found the body in a kind of cold sweat, or warm sweat it might be—I am able to say posi
<lb/>tively that the heart was not beating, I kept my hand there about a minute—the front of the shift was covered with blood, where the tear was—I was examined before the Coroner—the shift was not divided in front by a natural division—it was torn, but not quite from the top—there was a kind of a hem round the neck—the hem was not torn, I think, but I cannot say Whether it was or not—I know the
<hi rend="italic">shimmy</hi> was torn in front—I cannot say whether it was divided about a foot down—I know what you mean by divided in the make and torn; it was torn down the whole way of the front to within a foot of the bottom—I have not heard any other state
<lb/>ments by other witnesses about this chemise—I said before the Coroner, "I swear the chemise was torn in front, a little better than a foot"—that is what I swear now—it was not divided in front in the make—the body was lying crossways; none of the head was on the rug—I did not look at the body much—I took the sheet off—there was no blood on the bed or the bedclothes—there was blood on the rug in different places, not near her head, but by the side of her—her hand was on the rug—the blood was near where she was lying—her head was underneath the chair, in this way (
<hi rend="italic">placing the cross-rail of it on his upper lip</hi>)—I am sure it was not the other part of the chair.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you see Mrs. Long there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She went up after I came down—I saw her down stairs when I was coming out, but not up.</p>
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<interp inst="t18670923-name-168" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH DUNN</persName> </hi>. I live with the last witness—my real name is Elizabeth Johnson—on the morning of 24th July I was awoke by cries of "Murder!" as near as I can guess, from five to ten minutes, to five o'clock—I looked out at the window and saw the prisoner and his father in the street—the prisoner had brown cloth trousers on, a blue guernsey, a red neck handkerchief, and a pair of boots—he was outside, crying out, "Mur
<lb/>der!" with his hands up to his throat, and his father was standing outside in his night-clothes, crying out, "Murder!"—I came down and went into the prisoner's house after my husband—I saw the prisoner's mother on top of the stairs in her night-clothes, doing nothing—I looked into the room the</p>
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<p>prisoner occupied, and saw the deceased lying there, with her head under a chair—the prisoner was then going down stairs—I did not notice what room he came out of—I went into the room—the deceased's throat was very much cut—she had only her
<hi rend="italic">shimmy</hi> on, and it was very much torn down the front, to within about this much from the bottom—I saw a pillow between her shoulders, more under her shoulders than her head—she was lying on it—the rail of the chair had caught underneath her chin—I felt her feet and legs; they were cold—I felt both feet and one knee—I mean that both the feet and the knee were cold—I dare say from five to ten minutes passed between the time I saw the prisoner crying, "Murder!" in the street and the time I felt the deceased's legs—there was considera
<lb/>ble blood on a chair—I observed a knife on the side of the table—this ap
<lb/>pears like it—besides the blood, there was either a black apron or handker
<lb/>chief in the chair—the blood in the chair was congealed—I did not notice whether there was blood on the knife—after I went into the room I saw Mrs. Wiggins, the old lady, and helped to dress her—I went into her bed-room, which was on the same floor as where the dead body was lying—there was blood on her hands, and more on one hand than the other—I helped to wash her hands and dress her.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where were you at that time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Down stairs, in the front parlour—that was after I had helped her to dress, and when down stairs I washed her hands.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLLINS</hi</