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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>HALE, MAYOR.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-2" type="given" value="ALEXANDER"/>ALEXANDER BUCKLER</persName>,</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-3" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT ORRIDGE</persName>, ESQ.</p>
<p>Law Publishers to the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty.</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, August 14th, 1865, and following days.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON</hi>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">WARREN STORMES HALE, LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; the Right Hon. Sir
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-5" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHALLIS</persName> </hi>, Esq., and
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS</hi>, Esq., Aldermen of the said City;
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-6" type="given" value="RUSSELL"/>RUSSELL GURNET</persName> </hi>, Esq., Q. C., M.P., Recorder of the said City;
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-7" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES ABBISS</persName> </hi>, Esq., and
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-8" type="given" value="ANDREW"/>ANDREW LUSK</persName> </hi>, Esq., M.P., Aldermen of the said City;
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS CHAMBURS</hi>, Esq., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-9" type="given" value="ROBERT MALCOLM"/>ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</persName> </hi>, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS DARIN</hi>, Esq. Alderman.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-12" type="given" value="HENRY DE"/>HENRY DE JERSEY</persName> </hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Under-Sherrifs.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HALE, MAYOR. TENTH SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>,</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, August</hi> 14
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">The following prisoners</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>:</p>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., the property of Her Majesty's Post Master General. </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Twelve Months.</hi> </rs>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650814-732-offence-1 t18650814-name-25"/>Richard Holliday</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LEWIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-26" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD HOLLIDAY</persName> </hi>. I am a builder of 2, Pembroke-gardens, Ken
<lb/>sington—the prisoner has been living with me over three years as my wife—on 22d June, about eight o'clock in the morning, I gave her 235
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in Bank of England notes to pay into the Kensington bank, which were handed to me the day before by Mr. Carratt, who counted them over to me as I am blind—there were two notes of 100
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<p>next office—she counted the notes over and said that they were right—she had been in the habit of paying money in for me before and of signing bills for me because I could not see to do it myself—when she returned I asked her whether she had paid it in and she said, "Yes"—I never gave her per
<lb/>mission to use any portion of the money for herself—next morning she got up at four o'clock and said that she would have a drop of brandy and take a walk, I said, "It would be much better for you if you would do that every morning"—I got up about half-past six, she was not in, but she came in while I was having my breakfast—I asked her whether she had paid the money into the bank and she said, "Yes"—I said I wanted one of the 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes—she said, "You cannot have it unless you draw a cheque"—she and her sister then sent me out to Mr. Cubitt's as an excuse while they robbed the house—when I returned they were both gone, and I missed table cloths, curtains, silver spoons, lustres, and two sets of china tea services.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long had she lived with you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Three years—she has had two children while she has been with me, but she used to say, "They are not yours, old boy, but you will have to keep them"—the last child was born last summer, but it is dead; the other child is three years old—the prisoner lived with me all that time and managed my household affairs and all bills and cheques on my bank—I never ordered her to put any money away on her own account—I authorized her to draw cheques and sign my name for me—she was the mistress of the house—when I saw her first she came with Mrs. Sawyer to my house, and took me to the play to pay for her, but I could not see the play—she pretended to come to see her uncle—I knew her family—she is now twenty-seven and I am forty—I first saw her when she was a girl of thirteen or fourteen at her uncle's in Suffolk—I did not see her again for ten or twelve years, and then I did not recognize her but she told me her name—I am a builder; I have to keep a clerk which I should not do if I had my sight—the prisoner discharged a servant about three weeks ago and I wanted to know what it was for, and would not let her be turned out until the prisoner paid her—the prisoner did not charge me with being too intimate with that servant—she did not assign any reason, I asked her before the servant—I am still living at the same place—I am married but my wife has been away twelve years through drink, she is now in the workhouse but I have to support her—the prisoner knew that I am married—my wife wanted more money than I was willing to pay—we went before a Magistrate and I paid more, as she was ill—I sent the pri
<lb/>soner with the money to the overseer, she said that she had paid him, but he said that she had not—my wife went to the workhouse a few weeks before the warrant was out against me—I pay five shillings a week for her at the workhouse—I did not represent the prisoner as the tenant of the house and myself as a lodger, it was only a joke, as my clerk can prove—I owed the Trent Plate Glass Company 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. but they reduced it to 56
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and gave me the balance and a note—I said in pure joke, that I was only a lodger, but it was not after that that they reduced it—I was away an hour when I found my house in this state—I gave the prisoner 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week, and the lodger's money made it up to 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and when she was at Pembroke-gardens it must have been 50
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., that was to lay out on the house—she wanted something for dress, I think if you had seen her box—
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LEWIS</hi> Did she run up bills for her dress?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, she has gone in Lady Mortimer's name to the amount of 40
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-27" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES HITCHCOCK</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, T</hi> 25). I took the prisoner on 22d June, the prosecutor charged her with stealing 235
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and other property from</p>
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<p>his house—she said that she had lost the notes, and the other property did not belong to him; that she went to Pimlico to take a Turkish bath and forgot to put the notes in the bank, and afterwards found she had lost them—I found these articles in her box.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-28" type="given" value="SENIOR"/>MR. SENIOR DEAN</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the issue department of the Bank of England—on 22d June the prisoner came with a younger person and asked me to give her gold for these two 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes—I asked her to write her name and address, she wrote, "Mr. Pawsey, 6, Cambridge-terrace, Notting Dale"—she was taking the money up without counting it but I suggested that the should count it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">contended that as the prisoner was not the prosecutor's servant she could not be a bailee, and had not committed any offence that came within the Statute</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">See Reg. v. Hassall 8. Cox's Criminal cases, p. 409, and Reg. v. Garrett, 2. Foster and Finlayson's Reports</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">left it to the Jury to say whether the prisoner acted as a servant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PATTERSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LEWIS</hi>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-31" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD WHEELER</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Scott and Francis, stock-brokers—on 1st August I addressed five letters and in this one to John Page, I enclosed a Stock receipt for 83
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. New 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per cents., and in this one to Joseph Langear a Stock receipt for 375
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. Consols, in the name of Miss H. Langear, 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Reduced in the name of Joseph Langear, and 362
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Reduced in the name of Miss Eleanor Langear—I put the letters in the tin box by my side to be taken to the post.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-32" type="given" value="HENRY JACOB"/>HENRY JACOB BUCKLEY</persName> </hi>. I am messenger to Messrs. Scott and Francis—on 1st August I took the letters from the tin box to the post-office kept, by Mr. Elphinston, and put them in the cupboard at the right hand side of the shop as you go in, at five o'clock or five minutes past.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-33" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY BINGHAM</persName> </hi>. I am an officer of the post-office—In consequence of complaints I went on 1st August to Mr. Elphinston's and placed myself in a position to watch the cupboard—the prisoner went to the cupboard soon after four o'clock, opened the door, looked in, and went away—the cupboard is a considerable distance inside the shop—the post-office business is done at the end—there is a counter the length of the shop, which would prevent the prisoner being seen at the cupboard—he came again at about twenty minutes past five, opened the door, took a quantity of letters out, placed them under his arm, and shut the door—I immediately went into the street and met him. leaving the shop—I asked him what he had got there, and exposed the letters, by moving his coat—he began to cry and begged for forgiveness, saying that it was the first time he had taken any—I took him into a private room and sent for his master, Mr. Tuckett, of 76, Old Broad-street, who came, and the, prisoner took from his waistcoat a quantity of fresh stamps and portions of addressed envelopes, and said that they were from letters which he had taken from that place—here are portions of about sixty envelopes—I took him to the post-office and was about searching him when he took a lot more stamps from his pocket, altogether there were about 100, there were twenty-two letters—he also gave me this little case which he said he had taken from a letter—these stamps which are in it he said he had taken from other letters—he was asked what he had done with the letters, and said that he had torn them up, and also two or three crossed cheques which were in them which he</p>
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<p>knew were of no use—he was asked what he was going to do with the letters he said, "I do not know."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How many stamps are there unconnected with letters?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About 100, but they have nearly all been taken off letters.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-34" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PATTERSON</persName> </hi>. I assist Mr. Elphinston in making up the bag—most of the commercial letters come in between 4 o'clock and 6—this cupboard has been in the shop these twenty years, and I have assisted all that time—it is five or six feet from where we register letters—you can put in a bundle without putting them in one at a time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Does it still exist?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, but they have put a lock on it—it could not be opened before except by a tall person—the prisoner could not open it.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Judgment Respited.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WILLIAMS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-37" type="given" value="THEODORE RICHARD"/>THEODORE RICHARD SCHWEITZER</persName> </hi>. I am a —the prisoner was my errand-boy nearly four months—on 11th August I received 6 crossed cheques amounting to 79
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 41
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. from a friend, Mr. Jewell, I gave him an open cheque for that amount, and I got 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in money—it was nearly 4 o'clock, and I sent the whole of the cheques to the Metropolitan and Provincial Bank, Limited, 75, Cornhill—I have got my pass-book and the banker's clerk is here—on Saturday 15th July I was going out of town, and at two o'clock I handed the prisoner this open cheque (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., with the order to fetch me a 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note from the bank—he did not do so—I waited ten or fifteen minutes and then sent a clerk after him—I afterwards went to the bank myself, and from what I heard I went to the police and then to the prisoner's mother—I did not find him there but went to his sister's in Love-lane, where I found him, at three o'clock, and said "Where is the 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.?" He said "I cannot give it, it was taken away from me"—I said "you must tell me the particulars"—he said "Three fellows followed me out of the bank, one took me by the arms and another by the throat, and another took the money out of my waistcoat pocket"—I asked his sister at what time he arrived there—she said at ten or fifteen minutes after 2—his mother said, "Help your master"—he was very cross with her and refused to speak to her—I gave him in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you any petty cash?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, we do not keep money in the office except in my pocket—I could go from my office to the prisoner's sister's in six or ten minutes—the prisoner has been in the habit of taking my cheques to the bank for the last four weeks, and he was always correct.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DALEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was anything said in the prisoner's presence about going to Australia?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, one of the relations in the room said that one of his friends was going to Australia—the prisoner would go and come back from the bank the same way, but there are other ways if he chose—they are all public streets.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-38" type="given" value="CHARLES BONNYCASTLE"/>CHARLES BONNYCASTLE JEWELL</persName> </hi>. I called on the prosecutor on llth July and handed him six crossed cheques amounting to 78
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me two open cheques, and I gave him 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to make up the differ
<lb/>ence—I saw him give them to the prisoner with instructions to pay it in immediately—that was a few minutes before 4.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How far off were you when he handed them to the</p>
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<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Much closer than I am to you and saw him past the six cheques into his hands.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-39" type="given" value="WILLIAM RICHARD"/>WILLIAM RICHARD CARR</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the Metropolitan and Pro
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<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), is in my writing—on 11th July six cheques amounting to 78
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. were paid to his account by the prisoner—the 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. was not paid in—he brought no credit slip, he said that Mr. Schweitzer had not given him one; I asked him to give me the cheques and money and I would make him one.</p>
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<persName id="t18650814-name-40" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-40" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-40" type="given" value="WILLIAM GEORGE"/>WILLIAM GEORGE DIX</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the Metropolitan and Provincial Bank—the prisoner brought this 50
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes and twenty sovereigns.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you know him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I believe I have been in the habit of cashing cheques for him for his master—he usually pays in money but not over 100
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-41" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD FUNNELL</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi>). I went with the prosecutor to the prisoner's mothers'—we found him at his sister's about 3.30—the prosecutor said, "Where is my money?"—he said, "I have lost it"—"In what way?"—"I have been"—I said, "Where?"—he said, "Three men followed me out of the bank, one caught hold of my throat, the other of my arms, and the other took the money from me—I said, "Did you call out Police?"—he said, "No"—I said, "Why did not you go back to your master?"—he said, "I was too frightened"—I said to his mother, "How long has he been here?"—she said, "About an hour and half," and that he had not said a word about his loss—I searched the room but could not find any portion of the money—I found 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on him—his cousin said in his presence, that she had left her situation in Bristol on purpose to go with another sister to America as they have a brother out there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you said anything before to day about asking him if he called for help?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and you will find it in the papers—I read my deposition over before I signed it—it is not here but I did say it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The Prisoner received a good character.</hi>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-44" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY SWEENEY</persName> </hi>. I am a prostitute and live at 33, Glass-house-buildings—on the night of 24th July I was in Well-street—the prisoner, whom I knew, came towards me, knocked me down, and said that every dirty wh—who came across him he would take their lives and kick their guts out of them—a woman came and said, "For shame"—he said that if she did not keep quiet he would kick her guts out—he took hold of the front of my dress—I had a pocket-book in my bosom, which I missed when I came from the doctor's—there was 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Were there not a lot of girls round you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> They came to my assistance.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, H</hi> 192.) I took the prisoner and told him he was charged with robbing and assaulting the prosecutrix—he said, "It is a lie, I know nothing about it"—he made a jump and a kick at her—another constable caught hold of his arm or she would have received the kick in her stomach—when he got to the station he said, "I did it, you called me the son of a bitch, and I struck you"—he said that he would do fourteen months if she locked him up—I found on him 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. lod. and a knife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> She was standing at the corner and she took off my cap—I said, "Return my cap"—she said, "I will not"—I took it—she called me a son of a bitch—I said "You had better call me that again"—she did so—I gave her a shove and she fell—a lot of girls gathered round her and she gave me in custody next morning and said that I stole it.</p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650814-736-offence-1 t18650814-name-48"/>Charles Dunkin Wake</persName> from his person.</rs> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are there not thousands of handkerchiefs like that in London?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, it was not bought in London.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-50" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED MOORE</persName> </hi>. I am a porter at the Marylebone Institution—I saw the prisoner struggling with the prosecutor and seized him—a woman in black caught hold of him and tried to pull him away—he struck the prosecutor on the mouth but we got him to the station.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Monday August</hi> 14
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">LUMLEY</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—there were some sixpences on the slate, no other shilling.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, S</hi> 57). On 8th July I went to the Greyhound—the last witness gave me this shilling—I bent it, and have kept it ever since—from a description I received from the witnesses I apprehended the prisoner in the Edgware-road, about three quarters of a mile from this house—I stopped him—he said, "What do you want with me?"—I said, "To see what you have about you"—I found on him six sixpences, two fourpenny-pieces, and 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, good money—I said to him, "You are charged with uttering counterfeit coin"—he said he never had any, and did not want' it—I took him to the station—I received this shilling from Mr. Hocking.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-55" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of coin to the Mint—these shillings are both bad, and from the same mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had these coppers for the purpose of giving change to my customers; if I have not change they will not buy of me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-737-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LUMLEY</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—my wife gave them the change—I went to Mr. Hocking's, who keeps the Rose and Crown, about half-past 7 as near as I can say, and saw them there—they were served with a pint of six ale—Harrison paid for it with a half-crown—they all drank of the beer—Hr. Hocking took the half-crown on one side, bent it, brought it back, and said, "Have you any more like this; where did you get it from?"—Harrison said, "I brought both from home this morning"—he had another good one—Mr. Hocking said, "I have a good mind to lock you up"—the prisoners said they were very sorry, they did not know it—Mr. Hocking went out at the side door and came in again directly with a policeman and the prisoners—I am quite sure they are the men who were in my shop.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-60" type="given" value="MATILDA"/>MATILDA GREEN</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of the last witness—on this Monday evening I saw the prisoners in our shop—they asked for a pound of steak—I saw Armstrong put a five-shilling piece on the board—I took it up and gave him change, a half-crown, a shilling, a sixpence, and three-pennyworth of halfpence—I placed the five-shilling piece in a desk in the parlour—there were no other coins in the desk—I shut the desk up—later in the evening, I found the crown was bad, and gave it to the sergeant.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-61" type="given" value="BENJAMIN"/>BENJAMIN HOCKING</persName> </hi>. I am the landlord of the Rose and Crown beer-shop at Hendon—a little before 8 on 7th August, the prisoners came—Harrison called for a pint of six ale, and gave me a bad half-crown—I tried it, bent it, laid it on the counter, and asked him if he had any more, and where he got that—he said he had brought two from home and that was one of them, and he did not know that they were bad—he then produced a good half-crown, and I gave him change—I gave the half-crown to Sergeant Hughes—</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Harrison.</hi> I got the half-crown from Armstrong.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, S</hi> 3). On the evening of 7th August, I went to Mr. Hocking's house, and saw the three prisoners just coming out—Mr. Hocking said, "One of these youths has tendered a bad half-crown to me"—I backed them into the bar again, and Mr. Hocking said, "This is the half-crown which he has tendered," pointing Harrison out to me—I said to Harrison, "How came you by that bad half-crown?"—he said, "I did not know it was bad; it was one I brought from home with me this morning"—Armstrong said, "I am well known to Mr. Syrers, the green-grocer opposite; my father has sold him cabbages many times—I took him over there, and while I was there Mrs. Green came in, and said, "This is a bad five-shilling piece, which one of the lads has given to my husband"—she gave it to me, and I took the prisoners to the station—on Harrison was found 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in silver and 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, a purse, and two keys—on Armstrong, a purse and a sailor's discharge; and on Lewin, a shilling, a penny, and a key—Armstrong said, "I got that half-crown from you," pointing to Mr. Green—Mr. Green said, "Oh."</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-63" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These half-crowns are both bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Harrison's statement before the Magistrate</hi>: "I am very sorry to say that Armstrong gave me the bad half-crown, which I passed to Mr. Hocking and I not knowing it; still I knew that Armstrong had been doing something of the sort, but I was not certain, and I did know and do know where the coin was got from, and if you wish to know I will tell you; and that is, of a man of the name of Barlow, at Wybrow's public-house, Little White Lion-street, Seven Dials. I have seen Armstrong go down there, and I have been with him nearly as far as there, but he would not take me with him; but as I was standing opposite White Lion-street, a young chap came up to me, and said, 'You are waiting for your mate.' I said, 'I am waiting for a chap with a sailor's cap on; and he said, 'He is down at Wybrow's.' I waited a long while for him and he did not come, and I went down there and looked in and I could not see him; he was gone, and the young chap said to me, 'Do you want any things? I said, 'No, but the other chap is gone down for some.' I did not see him again all that day. He came against my house the next morning and whistled for me, and as I was in bed I did not come out. John Armstrong, after I had been with this Walker (who is in prison) a week, was with him the next week."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Harrison's Defence.</hi> I am not guilty. I have good references.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HARRISON</hi> and
<hi rend="largeCaps">LEWIN</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">LUMLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution</hi>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. METCALFE MOIR</hi>
<hi rend="italic">defended Rowe, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PATER</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">defended Evans.</hi> </p>
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<p>pit, and I believe another one standing by—Rowe said "Brannan, how are you,"—I said, "I am pretty well," and I went between him and Evans, and told Ackrill to take Evans into custody—he had this padlock and keys (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) in his hand, and I saw Ackrill take them from him—I said, "I have received instructions from the solicitor to the Mint to look after you both, as extensive dealers in counterfeit coin"—Evans said, "I am sure you don't know me, Mr. Brannan—I told them I had a search warrant signed by the Chief Magistrate for searching the place, and they might have it read if they liked; they made no reply to that—Rowe said, "That is my look and keys," pointing to the one that Ackrill took from Evans—I said, "Very well, Mr. Rowe"—Inspector West took Rowe in custody—we then pro
<lb/>ceeded down stairs to a room leading from the skittle-ground—it is just at the back of the bar at the end of the stairs—Ackrill said, "This padlock was on that door twenty minutes ago," and Rowe, sometime afterwards, said, "That is the lock and key of my rat pit"—the prisoners, with the two officers and Inspector Brannan, went into the room, and I stood in the doorway—it appeared to me to be a lumber room—it was quite dark—we were obliged to get candles—there was a window in it, but it gave very little light—I saw Ackrill find this parcel on the mantel-shelf behind a picture frame or sign board—it contained 30 half-crowns, 30 florins, and 60 shillings, wrapped up in packets of 10 each, with paper wrapped between them as they now are—I opened it in the prisoners' presence—Rowe said to Ackrill something about time—the whole sentence I did not hear, and said, "Ten minutes more and you would not have found a b——
<hi rend="italic">dee</hi>, or
<hi rend="italic">denes</hi>"—that is the slang name for a shilling among coiners—I called West's attention to a packet I saw at the far end of the mantel-shelf—he went round, took possession of it and banded it to me—it contained 11 half-crowns, 28 florins, and 45 shillings, in packets separately wrapped up in paper (
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi> Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">METCALFE</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is this an old-established public-house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—it is in rather a low district—Besley-court is nearly oppo
<lb/>site—that is a very low place—this plan (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is correct—the rat pit is up stairs—there is a mews at the back of the house—I did not find a donkey there—Mr. McLachlan has large premises there—I believe he employs a great many men—he has bought the house from Rowe, I believe he bailed him—the prisoners came very quietly—we were all close together—this was a small room—only myself, my son, Ackrill, and West were in it—as we were coming towards the skittle-ground Rowe said he had only known Evans a week.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Could Rowe have got out of the room without-passing you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, and if he had there were seven or eight constables close by.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police Inspector</hi> F.) On Friday, 14th July, I went with the other constables to the house in question—I went to a room on the first floor and took Rowe into custody—I took him down stairs to the room leading from the skittle-ground—I found this packet on the mantle-piece—I showed it to Rowe, and said, "There is some more Rowe," he said, "It is a bad job"—I gave the packet to Brannan—I heard Rowe say something to Ackrill; I turned round and said, "What does he say, Ackrill"—Ackrill said, "He says if we had been a few minutes later we should not have got a b——
<hi rend="italic">dee</hi>"—I said, "Then we have fortunately hit on the right time," or words to that effect.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I suppose you remained pretty</p>
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<p>close to Rowe?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was searching about when this was said—I was handing the coin to Mr. Brannan; he could hear what Ackrill said—Rowe did not say, "Good God, Mr. West, you are not going to swear against me in that way," or any expression of that sort, in my presence.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, F.</hi> 15). I went with Brannan and the others to the King's Arms—I went first by myself, into the bar and through the bar into the skittle-alley—I saw the door of the room beyond; this padlock was then on that door—I came back and we all went in together—I went up stairs where there was a dog killing a rat—the prisoners were there, and I saw this padlock in Evans' hand—I took it from him—he resisted very violently—we then went down into the room on the door of which I had seen the padlock; there was no padlock there then—when I took the padlock from Evans I said to Brannan, "This is the lock that was on the door"—Rowe said something, I don't know what—I found a parcel behind a picture in this room, and handed it to Brannan—West found a second parcel and showed it to Rowe—he said it was a bad job——Rowe afterwards said, "If you had been a few minutes later you would not have found a b——
<hi rend="italic">dee</hi> in the place"—a
<hi rend="italic">dee</hi> means a bad shilling—I said to Brannan, "Did you hear that"—he said, "Yes, search on"—I afterwards took Evans to the station—he said, "It is all up with me this time; you know Ackrill that I have not been long at this game, but it appears old Brannan knows everybody."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you search this house after
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I believe there were two people lodging up stairs—a great number of people used the house—no one heard Evans's admission but me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. PATER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How do you know it was the same padlock you saw on the door that Evans had?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> By the make of it and there are several scratches on it—I had had hold of it several times before that day—I was acting under Brannan's instructions—Rowe said, "The look is mine, it belongs to my rat pit"—Evans did not deny before the Magistrate that he said, "It is all up with me this time"—our conversation was carried on softly—Brannan was 5 or 6 yards behind—it was intended solely for me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you go, on the first occasion, in consequence of, information?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, received from Mr. Brannan—we went straight from the rat-pit to this room—Brannan is the only person from whom I ever received information.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COLERIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was there any padlock on the door of the rat-pit?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-69" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are all bad.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-739-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.** †—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-738-18650814 t18650814-739-punishment-14"/>Five Years each in Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">The following prisoners</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>:—</p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18650814-740-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin</rs>.—
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Nine Months</hi> </rs>, and
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<interp inst="t18650814-741-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>. to unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession.—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Eighteen Months.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, August</hi> 15
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of coppers from the till, and 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of silver from the shelf—another drawer had been forced open—I found two cigar-boxes empty—I missed all this plate (
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I also missed some wine—I should think the prisoner was at my bar an hour and A half. I did not see him come in; I first saw him about 10—the street-door was undone when I came down and open, it was bolted inside the night before, there is no key to it—I saw the prisoner the same morning at the Guildhall—I am quite sure he is the person.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper in the bag, there was nobody with him.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi>, 223). I assisted in arresting the prisoner—I searched him at the station, and found on him 31
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., in silver, 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, 7 silver tea-spoons, 2 silver table-spoons, 16 plated forks, about 30 cigars, and several other articles (
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<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). This was a sash window—there are shutters inside, which come within two feet of the top of the window, anyone could get up on the cill and pull the window down—they could not get in over the top of the shutter without moving it—I afterwards found some marks outside on the cill as if some one had clambered up.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I recollect being in a public-house with another man, and I went home with two men; one of them gave me this property, and said they would meet me in Fetter-lane in the morning. I was intoxicated. I am a respectable man. I am quite innocent.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had just come out of Holloway from three months', and intended to get an honest living—a boy who knew me threw this handkerchief to me, and the gentleman caught hold of me, I said I did not take it, that the boy took it.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TAYLOR</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> I suppose this occurred very quickly?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—there was not a considerable crowd—my niece was with me on my right—I did not observe the prisoner's arms over the parapet—I will not swear there were not people behind me—I don't think there was anybody stand
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Were you in front of him or behind him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> At his side—he was close to the parapet—I did not notice anyone else behind us.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and a ring—he gave his address 47, Cambridge Heath-road—there is no such number in the street.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did not he say 147? No; I did not try to find 147—it is a very long road—I did not find 45—there was no number as high as 47—the numbers run very irregularly—I believe there was 40, but not 47.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Twelve Months.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Twelve Months.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 10
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and 40
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650814-754-offence-1 t18650814-name-111"/>Charles Prescott</persName> and others, his masters.—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Five Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Four Months.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">also</hi>, to a former convic
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<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude</hi> </rs>, and
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Three Months.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, August</hi> 15
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr</hi>, Esq.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-121" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN TUNNANT</persName> </hi>. I am a cattle-dealer, innkeeper, and farrier, at Bram
<lb/>field, in Suffolk—I keep dogs—on the 18th July I bought a cow for 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of Mr. Cole for the dogs—I was at Halesworth market at the time, and saw Seamans there; he asked me whether I had got anything that would suit him for the dogs—I told him I had bought a cow that morning, and did not want it—he said he knew some gentleman in the town who wanted some meat for his dogs, and asked me what I wanted for the cow; I said, "1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>"—he offered me 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and at last he bought it for 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he had not seen the cow—he came next morning with a boy for the cow, and took her away—I did not notice anything the matter with her jawbone—she had some hay in the racks, and she ate that—I did not keep any of the meat for my own consumption.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you sell him a cow before for 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have sold him plenty of meat before for dogs—I am in the habit of sending meat to London, but I should not send such meat as that.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-122" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-122" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-122" type="surname" value="BAKER"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-122" type="given" value="ISAAC"/>ISAAC BAKER</persName> </hi>. I am a butcher living at Halesworth, and know the pri
<lb/>soner—on the 20th July I dressed a cow on his premises—I had killed her—she was a very ordinary cow—the hide was worth 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I did not eat any of it myself.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was there any smell?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Oh no! she was healthy; there was no disease about her, that I saw—there was no lung disease—she was worn out with old age—the reason I said I would not eat her is that there was scarcely any flesh on her, she was so very old and thin—there was no fat—it was not from disease that I would not eat it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you dress it as ordinary butcher's meat?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-123" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-123" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-123" type="surname" value="MILLS"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-123" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS MILLS</persName> </hi>. I am a porter at Halesworth Railway Station—I know the prisoner—on 21st July he brought two packages, addressed to Messrs. Scales and Son, London—they had labels on, and they were sent up to London.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-124" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-124" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-124" type="surname" value="SCALES"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-124" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM SCALES</persName> </hi>. I am a salesman at High street, Aldgate—on 22d July I received two packages of meat with these labels on (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—this letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was inside one of the packages—one of which contained a calf and a pluck, and two hind-quarters of beef; and the other package the two fore-quarters—I should say the beef was not fit for human food—the</p>
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<p>inspector was present at the opening of the packages, and took possession of the meat.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say there were two hind-quarters and two fore-quarters, what part was wanting?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Part of the loin—that part might be used for steaks, but it is properly a roasting part—it was in such an ema
<lb/>ciated state that rendered it unfit for human food—I did not observe any disease—I do not think emaciated meat would injure persons eating it—any one had better eat it than starve—I have had meat from the prisoner on one or two occasions before, and it has been of a good description.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ISAAC BAKER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you assist in skinning this cow?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I observed a blow on the jaw-bone—there was an enlargement—I do not know whether it was broken—it looked as if it had had a blow—I do not think that was sufficient to prevent it chewing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-125" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-125" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-125" type="surname" value="WILDE"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-125" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WILDE</persName> </hi>. I am one of the Sanitory Inspectors of the City of London—I was formerly a butcher—I was on duty in Aldgate-market—I saw the two packages from the prisoner, containing part of two hind-quarters and two fore-quarters of beef—it was in a very pale and emaciated condition—it was coated with hot fat inside and out, and upon removing that I found inflammation between the ribs—in my opinion the animal had been suffering from disease some time—I made an incision in the buttocks, and found it smelt very strongly, which I presumed was physic—it was totally unfit for human food—it was covered with fat to hide the disease—I took possession of the meat, and had it condemned in the regular way—I took these labels (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) off the packages—on 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. August I went down to Halesworth, and saw the prisoner—he made a statement, which I took down in writing—this letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was sent with the meat—(
<hi rend="italic">In this letter the prisoner stated that the cow had met with a misfortune, and broken its jaw-bone, that it had no disease whatever, and that the farmer of whom he bought it had kept five stone of it for his own family</hi>,)</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Would diarrhoea or cold constitute disease?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Diarrhoea and dysentery together would—Diarrhoea of itself would produce wetness—the meat did not smell until I cut open the buttock—the ground upon which I say it was unfit for human food is from the wetness of the meat and the smell of the physic in the flesh—I have known of diarrhoea being caused to persons eating meat which had been physiced—it is common to rub poor meat over with fat, but it is only rubbed on the outside, not inside—the calf that was sent with this meat was good.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-126" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-126" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-126" type="surname" value="WRIGHT"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-126" type="given" value="EDGAR"/>EDGAR WRIGHT</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">re-called.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you observe anything the matter with the jaw-bone?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not when I saw it last—I gave the cow some purging medicine—she showed no symptoms of disease; it was cold and diarrhoea; she was very old, and had not strength to stand it—I consider the purging would render this meat unfit for human food; it was thin and flabby—the medicine I gave was a stimulant, consisting of myrrh, gentian, and nitre.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-127" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-127" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-127" type="surname" value="DAVIDSON"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-127" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM DAVIDSON</persName> </hi>. I am one of the Inspectors of Meat—I have been clerk of Leadenhall-market twenty-five years—on 22d July, Mr. Wilde showed me part of two hind-quarters and two fore-quarters of a cow—they were in a very emaciated and wet state, and the cow had been suffering from inflammation—the wetness was caused by disease.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What disease was it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> We only, saw portions of it, and we cannot tell exactly the disease—inflammation was strongly marked on the inside—it was not lung disease; we can tell that.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> After I had packed this meat up a heavy rain came,</p>
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<p>which will account for the wetness. I did not know there was anything the matter with the cow. I ate some of it before it went away, and so did Mr. Stack's family, and it did not do us any harm.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650814-759-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday and Wednesday, August</hi> 15
<hi rend="italic">th and</hi> 16
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JEAN LAFOURCADE</hi> (46)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ORRIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BESLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-129" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-129" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-129" type="surname" value="GOOD"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-129" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK GOOD</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Mr. Leverson the solicitor for the prosecution—I served a copy of this on Mr. Hall the prosecutor's attorney on 10th August, I endorsed it the same day—(
<hi rend="italic">This contained a notice dated 24th November, 1864, to produce a writ of summons from the Court of Exchequer to Louise Perette Valentin to appear in an action at the suit of Guilluame Bouillon, and another</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-130" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-130" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-130" type="given" value="EDWARD THOMAS"/>EDWARD THOMAS DAX</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the writ office Court of Exchequer—I produce an affidavit made by the prisoner in the suit of Bouillon and another Valentin—I have the custody of original affidavits.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-131" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-131" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-131" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CREE, JUN</persName> </hi>. I live at 13, Gray's-inn-square and am a commissioner to administer oaths at common law—on 25th November, 1864, I ad
<lb/>ministered the oath to the person who signed his name here, but I do not recognise the prisoner—the oath was interpreted to the person who swore it by a person who represented himself as an interpreter—I know enough of French to understand that, it was word by word repeated.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-132" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-132" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-132" type="surname" value="COULAN"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-132" type="given" value="LEWIS AUGUSTE"/>LEWIS AUGUSTE COULAN</persName> </hi>. I know the defendant's writing, this is his signature to this affidavit (
<hi rend="italic">This was dated 25th November, 1864, and in it the defendant swore that he was well acquainted with the plaintiff Guillaume Bouillon and his wife, and with the defendant Louise Perette Valentin, that in September last the defendant requested him to sell for her some shares in the Paris, Lyons, and Mediterranean Railway, in the Orleans Railway, and in the Paris Omnibus Company, but that the coupons had been removed from them before he received them from her—that he sold the shares, and after paying Mdme. Valentin, he discovered that they had been unlawfully abstracted from the estate of M. Donflou, and belonged to the plaintiff—that in November Mdme. Valentin requested him to sell the coupons of the same shares, which he refused to do, upon which she admitted that they belonged to the plaintiff and had formed part of M. Donflou's estate—that he believed she kept them concealed about her person or in her rooms, and that she had stated to him her intention to sell the coupons and go to America immediately, which he believed she would do unless forthwith arrested, and that her real name was Valentin, but he also knew her as "Bertin" and "La Chatelaine.</hi>")</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-133" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-133" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-133" type="surname" value="SEAGER"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-133" type="given" value="JOHN RENWICK"/>JOHN RENWICK SEAGER</persName> </hi>. I am in the employment of Mr. Burchell the Under Sheriff—I produce a writ of capias—(
<hi rend="italic">This was dated 26th November, 1864, to take Louise Perette Valentin and keep her until she gave bail</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-134" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-134" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-134" type="surname" value="VALENTIN"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-134" type="given" value="LOUISE PERETTE"/>LOUISE PERETTE VALENTIN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter</hi>). I live at 30, Cla
<lb/>verton-street—in December last I was living in Dean-street, Soho—I came to London on 26th September last—I had lived in France for thirty-two years with Benjamin Donflou; he died on 17th September, 1862—when I came to England I brought 121,000 to 122,000 francs in French bank notes and coupons, also some Orleans Rail way shares—I kept the property in a bag at</p>
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<p>my lodgings in the house of Mrs. Fidele Katzenstein—I was arrested by Mr. Hall on 5th December and taken to prison, Mr. Levin went with me—I did Dot see the defendant that day, Mr. Hall told me he was arrested—he had come with me from France to England to take a lodging for himself and his wife and daughter—I had known him about a year in Paris—he was in diffi
<lb/>culties he had no occupation, he had been expelled from the Club where he had been for several years; that was in the Bourse—I had occasionally em
<lb/>ployed him on some errands before I came to London—he came to the same house as myself in London, and three days afterwards sent for his wife, who came with her three daughters—I have lent him money out of charity, enough to prevent their leaving and to pay for their lodgings, and in England I lent him 5,000 francs for him and his wife and daughters to set up a Parisian laundry—that was in October—and on 24th or 25th November he came to me, told me he had no money to go to market and requested my charity—I refused to give them money and they requested me to lend them 3,000 francs on an inheritance to come—I gave them a bank note of 50f. to get rid of them and told him and his wife that they could not yet have spent the money which I had lent them; at my reckoning of their expenditure they ought to have 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. left—I did not see them again for some time—from the time I came to England till I was taken in custody I never told the pri
<lb/>soner or any one else that I was going to America, or that I intended to leave England and go abroad; I came to London to stay here and die here—on 5th May the prisoner came to me in Whitecross-street prison, that was the first time I had seen him since my arrest—I did not speak to him but Madame Rey spoke of the affidavits concerning my departure for America, and he said that he had told a lie in saving so; but that Mr. Hall and M. Bouillon gave him 12,500f. to lie, and if I was willing to give him the same price he would say the truth but he should be obliged in that case to leave London immediately, because Mr. Hall would get him arrested, as he was cunning enough to get him arrested beforehand if he had any suspicion: as to the oath he was to take, that he did not care because English justice was a comedy, and as to taking an oath he would take as many as might be re
<lb/>quested from him at that price—I saw him again at Westminster at the trial but did not speak to him—I was in prison from 5th December to 16th June—I was taken in custody to Westminster to give my evidence—I heard the prisoner examined and cross-examined through an interpreter.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you recieve anything from the executors of M. Donflou after his death?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, from Bouillon and his wife—they gave me 7,500 to 8,000f. out of 40,000f. which ought to have come to me under the will—on the day M. Donflou died the official seals were put on everything that was for his personal use; I had two wills of M. Donflou—shortly after that, on 1st December, I was charged with having abstracted a certain number of shares, by the adopted children of M. Donflou—the officers came to lock me up on 4th December, 1862—after M. Donflou's death and before the officers came, I sold fifty-five Orleans Railway shares, twenty-five coupons were my own property, coming from the Orleans railway, five other coupons were from shares belonging to my sister, the capital of which had been put into the lands of M. Donflou, and the twenty-five other coupons had been given to me by him for house expenses—I was charged with ab
<lb/>stracting or stealing fifty-five shares of the Orleans Railway, belonging to the deceased, and fifty shares of the Lyons and Mediterranean Railway but I had not done it—I do not know whether I was accused of stealing twenty-five shares of the Paris Omnibus Company, but they were demanded of me</p>
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<p>—I wish to explain; on 4th December, 1862 I was brought from my house, M. Bouillon the husband of the adopted daughter of M. Donflou came, accompanied by a commissary of police and two men, and asked me if I had in my possession coupons of Orleans Railway Shares, I said, "Yes"; he said, "Have you silver plate?"; I said, "Yes"; he said, "You are to be brought to the Prefecture of police"—I wrote at once to the Juge d' Instruction in order that he should have me brought before him and I was afterwards in
<lb/>terrogated by him on four different occasions—he did not say, "You are charged with having fraudulently abstracted to the injury of the heirs of M. Donflou, thirty-five shares of the Paris and Orleans Railway, fifty of the Lyons and Mediterranean, and twenty-five of the Paris Omnibus Company," he only asked me how many shares I had in my possession—I did say, "I do not know what has become of the shares which are claimed of me"—from 5th December, 1862, to 24th April 1863, I was kept in prison with the threat that I might be kept there for two years—I maintained and still main
<lb/>tain that I had not abstracted the shares I was asked about—I denied it be
<lb/>cause I had not done it—I wish to explain, on the eve of the death of M. Donflou he told me that by our marriage I should be entitled to half of his fortune, but he said, "As I am unfortunate enough not to be able to live to fulfil my duty, here are 100,000f. which I give you"—the result of that enquiry was that I was sentenced to six months' imprisonment, and it was in order to take from me my plate and my shares in the Orleans Rail way that I was put in prison—I came out on 20th October, 1863, and on the same day that I came out the females of the defendant's family came to ask for me and I made their acquaintance—after I left prison I made the acquaintance of Mmlle. Rey—I did not see her while I was in prison—when I came out I went to live at the same hotel as the defendant—he was not a waiter there or anything at all—his wife and daughters had left him, not to give him bread—I remained in the same house with him till 1st July, 1864, when I left—I did not see him constantly during that time—I gave them hospitality for two months when they were living with me, and when they left I paid the rent of their rooms—I went to Bordeaux in July, and while there I think I wrote this letter without date (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) to Mdme. Lafourcade—as soon as I went to Bordeaux I applied to all the defendant's family for charity for him and then I wrote this letter—I left Bordeux and went to Paris in August, being called there by the Minister of Justice; and when I had settled all my business with the solicitor, I sold all I had and came to England in Sep
<lb/>tember—at the end of August or in September I gave the defendant 50 Lyons and Mediterranean shares to sell for me, and 25 Orleans Rail way shares, and 25 Paris Omnibus shares—I had no knowledge of those shares when I was examined before the Juge d' Instruction—the defendant handed me over 94,000f. in French bank notes, out of the 100,000f. that M. Donflou told me he gave me when he handed me those shares—I gave the defendant 100f. for his trouble—he accompanied me to England, and we arrived on the 25th or 26th September, and went to the Hotel de Ville de France in Dean-street—I passed there by the name of Bertin, and also of Valentin, since the proceedings in France—nobody called me Bertin at the hotel, as nobody knew me, my letters came there to me in the name of Valentin—the ladies of the defendants' family called me Bertin, because I had told them not to call me Donflou any more—I do not know whether the defendant went by the name of Edward there—I always heard him called Jean or Lafourcade—I had never been in London before 26th Sep
<lb/>tember, 1864; I had never seen it—I mean to say that I had not been in</p>
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<p>London in the early part of the same September—Mr. Hall made Coulan go up stairs with me when I went to prison, and had told me that he was in custody also; and coulan had shown me the warrant to arrest him—I did not say to Coulan, "Directly you regain your liberty, go to the hotel where I lodged, and ask them to give you a black leather bag"—I may have expressed a desire to have my bag—I did not say to Coulan, "If the Bouillons get that bag I am lost"—I had nothing to fear from the Bouillons—I did not say, "Get possession of that bag at any cost and get away to France with it"—if I expressed a desire to have it, I repeat it now—there was property concealed in the lining of that bag—I had taken a pretty large sum that very morning to the Union bank, and there was left in the bag 30,000f. in bank notes, and 14,000f. in coupons of railway shares—they were the coupons of the very railway shares which had been sold for me by the defendant—after the defendant left the hotel I went three or four times to Berwick-street, where he had started as a wine merchant, because he wanted to hire me the apartments on the first floor—Coulan was with him in Berwick-street, as friend and interpreter—Coulan twice accompanied me with his wife from the house in Berwick-street to the hotel—before he was entirely residing with Lafourcade he lodged with his wife in Jerrard-street—I persist in my statement that on 24th or 25th November I refused to give them 3,500f.; but I may make a mistake as to two or three days in the date—it was on 25th or 26th November, about 8 o'clock in the evening.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> On what day did M. Donflou die?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> On 17th Sep
<lb/>tember, 1863—that was the day fixed for our marriage by the Procurer Imperial—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are the legal documents which were issued by the authorities for our marriage, but M. Donflou suddenly became worse, and died before the ceremony could be performed—a day or two before his death he handed me a sealed packet, in the presence of a third party, and said "Here are 100,000f., which I give to you, they belong to you by our marriage, you will be entitled to half of my fortune: here are two wills, which if I die will add to your fortune: if I am unhappy enough not to live till to-morrow, so as not to accomplish our union and perform my duty, let that sum of 100,000f. be deposited in the hands of a friend;" and a few hours after he gave them to me they were deposited in the hands of a friend, on the same day that he gave them to me—I did not open the packet first; I knew the contents—I received that packet into my possession some months after I was liberated from prison—it was in the private cabinet of the
<hi rend="italic">Juge d' Instruction</hi> that I was examined—Mr. Nicholay, the
<hi rend="italic">avocat</hi>, was not present—there was only the Judge and his secretary, and the
<hi rend="italic">gendarme</hi>—any shares or coupons which I sold after M. Donflou's death and before I was taken in custody, were what I had received from him for domestic expenses, while he was ill—I had received 25 coupons—I sold no other shares—I only used the coupons—I never took from the estate one
<hi rend="italic">son</hi>, except what M. Donflou gave me—I employed M. Houett, an
<hi rend="italic">avoue</hi>, to represent me before the French tribunal, but he sold himself to a solicitor at Versailles—I made a complaint against him, which resulted in bringing me a few thousand francs, and I received something from the Minister of Justice besides—the
<hi rend="italic">avoue</hi> continued to prosecute, he was not punished for having broken the official seal, but he received a reprimand—the coupons which the defendant sold for me in Paris, for which I gave him 100f. for his trouble, came from the packet which M. Donflou gave me on 16th Septem
<lb/>ber—I think these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) to be the warrants which were shown to me by Mr. Hall himself, when I was in custody in London—when he showed</p>
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<p>them to me he told me that in France all my family and friends were arrest, and asked me if I knew M. Bouillon—I said, "Yes"—he said, "I am his solicitor"—I said, "I cannot congratulate you on being the solicitor of a honest man"—Mr. Hall took me to a cab, and they arrested me in the middle of the street—he accompanied me in the cab to the lock-up—I declined, on the trial at Westminster Hall, to give the name of the friend with whom I had deposited the parcel, I told his Lordship that if it was absolutely necessary for me to do so I should violate my oath in order to comply with his orders—I had promised never to give the name.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> In your examination before the Master last week did you not give the name of that person.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; she is now dead, and I said so at Westminster—when I directed the prisoner to sell the shares in London that I had endeavoured to sell in Paris, in the early part of December, Coulan accompanied me.</p>
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<persName id="t18650814-name-135" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-135" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-135" type="surname" value="COULAN"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-135" type="given" value="AUGUSTE"/>AUGUSTE COULAN</persName> </hi>. I live at 69, Davies-street, Berkley-square, and am a porter—I came to London last October, and went to the Hotel de Ville de France, kept by Mr. Katzenstein—I found Madame Valentin and the prisoner there—I had never seen either of them before—after I had been there a little time, the prisoner and his wife and family left the hotel and went to 56, Maddox-street, and I went with them—soon after leaving, he told me that he would send Madame Valentin to the galleys for ten years—I asked him the reason—he said he could not tell me that day—he told me two days after that it was about some shares which she had stolen from a M: Donflon, with whom she had been cohabiting thirty-two years, and that he would have her in prison because she had promised him money, and did not keep her promise, and if I would serve him and help him in the case, I should be handsomely rewarded; that I need not fear, for it was not for my proper account that I was acting; and that he would have Madam Valentin arrested soon—he said it was for revenge—he wrote to Paris to his daughter Matilde, in order to obtain M. Bouillon's address, who was the son-in-law of M. Donflou, and a few days after he received a letter from Paris from his N. daughter, in which she gave him the address of M. Bouillon—I saw the O. letter, and he told me that it was from his daughter Matilde—he told me a P. few days after that he would write to M. Bouillon to have a reward, and to Q. make a denunciation against Madam Valentin—he told me that I was to R. support him, and he made me promises—he afterwards said M. Bouillon S. offered him a reward of 12,000f. if he would tell him where the thief of the T. shares was, and that he would go and see a gentleman, named Hall, who had U. instructions from M. Bouillon to reward him, and that he would say every
<lb/>thing V. he could to Mr. Hall—soon after that interview, I saw Mr. Hall at W. Berwick-street—the first time was about the middle of November—I have X. seen him with the prisoner, but was not present at the interviews—he Y. came about 11 o'clock, and went away at 1 or half-past—after he left, the Z. prisoner said that Mr. Hall would give him 12,000f. if he would give his AA. statement against Madam Valentin, and that he should do so. and accept the BB. 12,000f.—that was about 12th November—I saw Mr. Hall at the prisoner's CC. two or three days afterwards, but was not present at the interview that day DD.—Mr. Hall afterwards said he wanted the prisoner's statement directly, but EE. the prisoner said he would not give it without money; that Mr. Hall had FF. promised to make an agreement, and he would then accept—he made the GG. same communication to his wife in my presence; she said, "Well, at any HH. rate, if you have no money at present, we shall have 12,000f. at the end; do II. it"—two or three days after that, the prisoner said that he came from Mr.</p>
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<p>hall and had arranged to have 480
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. deposited in a bank, and that he had an appointment with Mr. Hall next day, or the day after, and that he was going to make a statement when Mr. Hall deposited the money at the bank—the prisoner said on one occasion that if I would corroborate his evidence he would give me half the reward offered to him by M. Bouillon—I asked him what he required from me—he said, "Only to corroborate my statement"—he did not tell me what I was to corroborate—I said that I did not know Madame Valentin, and it was very strange that he made such a proposal—he said that I need not fear, I was acting for my own sake, and he would reward me—he said, "As you understand both English and French, you will be very useful to me"—he had previously engaged me as his interpreter—two days afterwards I went with him to Mr. Hall's office—I think it was about 23d or 24th November—we saw Mr. Hall in his private office—he asked the prisoner who I was—he said, "It is my nephew; you need not fear, you can speak before him"—I am not his nephew—Mr. Hall asked him if he had made the written statement—he said, "Yes," and the prisoner signed an agreement—Mr. Hall said that it was an agreement for the deposit of the 480
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—after the prisoner had signed the statement, Mr. Hall said, that to have her arrested under lock and key, it would be necessary to state that she was going to America—I do not think any other gentleman was present—the prisoner said that if it was necessary to say it, it must be said—the prisoner and I left the office with Mr. Hall and went to the London and Westminster Bank, Temple-War branch, where Mr. Hall gave a cheque to a gentleman at the counter, and the prisoner and Mr. Hall signed a book—the gentleman gave Mr. Hall a paper, which he gave to the prisoner, and said, "I hope you will have that money soon"; the prisoner said, "I hope so"—I went back, to the best of my recollection, to Mr. Hall's office, but the prisoner was not with me—I called on Mr. Hall next day, and the prisoner was with me—I went with Mr. Hall from his office to Chancery-lane at a little before 5 in the evening, to a place which I found out after
<lb/>wards to be the Judges' Chambers—the prisoner was not with us—Mr. Hall there presented a paper to me, and I signed it—I did not read it, nor was it read to me—Mr. Hall also signed it—Mr. Hall and me each took the book and kissed it, and something was said to us, but I did not know then that it was an oath—I went next day with the prisoner to Mr. Hall's office—we saw him and his brother, and a French
<hi rend="italic">avocat</hi>—Mr. Hall said that he had not succeeded in obtaining the arrest of Madam Valentin yesterday, and one of the Mr. Halls said that something must be
<hi rend="italic">made</hi> to have her under lock and key as soon as possible—the prisoner said, "Make it strong this time"—we went out and came back a little time after, when a paper was ready which the prisoner signed—that was the paper I looked at when I was called this morning—I do not recollect whether it was signed at Mr. Hall's office, or at 13, Gray's Inn-square—I went with the prisoner and the two Mr. Halls to 13, Gray's Inn-square, and was present when Mr. Cree ad
<lb/>ministered the oath to the prisoner—I heard Mr. Charles Kennedy Hall interpret the oath to him—he interpreted it correctly—he also interpreted the affidavit—the prisoner afterwards told me that he had obtained Madame Valentin's arrest—about 8 o'clock on the morning of 5th December, Mr. Hall came to Berwick-street, where the prisoner and I were staying—I had not seen Madame Valentin in the meantime—he said to the prisoner and his wife and others, "To-day is the day appointed for Madame Valentin's arrest"—there was a Sheriff's officer with him—Mr. Hall told me to watch till Madame Valentin came out of the hotel in Dean-street, and give a</p>
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<p>signal to the officer—she came out; I touched my hat, and she was arrested—a cab was called—she was put in, and Mr. Hall and I got in—we went in the cab to Bream's-buildings, and I received these two papers (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) from Mr. Hall—I showed them to Madame Valentin—we left her at Bream's buildings—I afterwards saw Mr. Hall, who gave me some directions, and in the afternoon I went back to Bream's-buildings, and saw Madame Valentin again—I do not recollect whether I showed her the papers then or in the morning—I then went to Katzenstein's with Mr. Hall and the prisoner—Mr. Hall and I went in, and the prisoner stopped outside—we saw Madame and Miss Katzenstein—I had these papers in my pocket—Mr. Hall showed Madame Katzenstein some papers—I went down stairs and made a com
<lb/>munication to Mr. Katzenstein, but I did not show him any papers—he handed me a black bag, which I took upstairs, and told Mr. Hall that I had it—I did not give it to him then—we took it to Berwick-street, the prisoner's residence—he was there; and as no key could be found to fit it, Mr. Hall opened it by the two sides, and I saw some articles of lady's wearing apparel—after a more careful search, some coupons were taken out of it and a roll of papers, which had the appearance of bank notes—Mr. Hall counted the coupons with the prisoner, kept some of them, and gave me l,500f. in coupons to keep in my pocket till further notice—there Were also some French bank-notes, which somebody counted—they put the contents of the bag in again, and it remained a few days at the prisoner's—it was not sewn up again—Mr. Hall took the coupons—I was examined on the first trial of this matter as a witness on behalf of the Bouillons, when no one appeared on behalf of Madame Valentin, and there was a verdict against her—that was in the February sittings, after term this year—I was not examined on the next trial—Mr. Maniere was the attorney Madame Valentin had instructed to defend on that occasion—there was a conversation between me and Mademoiselle Rey in the beginning of May—before that conversation Mr. Hall proposed to me to sign a paper at his office—that was on 1st or 2d May—the prisoner told me that something existed in his deposition that was not true, but that he said it to have money—that was the part stating that Madame Valentin was going to America—I said I did not exactly understand why he said so—he said that he had no scruples with a woman of that sort—on another occasion, he said that the affidavit was not true, but he had done it for revenge, because Madame Valentin had promised him money and did not give him any.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you come from Boulogne?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; that is my native place—I have not been in prison there—I was two days in the station-house—I was accused of taking some postage stamps out of an office, and had two months' imprisonment, which I did not do—I did not go to prison, because I was recognised innocent; I had my grace, and I can prove it—that is the only time I was convicted—I know three of the gaolers of Boulogne—I was about a week in prison, and two days in the station—I have signed two papers against Madame Valentine—I made one about the 24th November—I signed a paper on the day before the prisoner was sworn—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is my signature—it was not road over to me—I kissed the book, but did not know that I was taking an oath, I thought that it was a simple formality which I was requested to do by Mr. Hall—I never had taken an oath before, or seen any one sworn, except on my own trial, and that was not done in the same way: they did not kiss the book—I fulfilled the same formality again on the same day as the prisoner did—I have sworn that I heard the oath interpreted to the prisoner—I did not pay attention, but I</p>
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<p>know that Mr. Hall interpreted to him—he said the words after the gentle-man of 13, Gray's Inn-square—I heard them, but I cannot say what they were now—I did not hear him say, "So help me God"—I signed a paper on, I think, the day before Mr. Hall took the prisoner to Gray's Inn-square—I fulfilled the same formality in December—I have not frequently stated that Madame Valentin said to me that she intended to go to America—she never said so to me—(
<hi rend="italic">The affidavit was here ready in which the witness stated</hi>: "I am informed, and verily believe that the said defendant intends shortly to leave this country, and to go to America, and the said defendant has referred in conversation to such intention in my presence")—the signa
<lb/>ture to this other affidavit is in my writing—(
<hi rend="italic">In this the witness stated</hi>: "I am well acquainted with the defendant; she has repeatedly, and very lately, stated to me that she was going to leave this country, and proceed to America, and I believe she will do so, and take with her the property unless she is forthwith detained")—that was never read over to me—I do not recollect the day, but I remember going to Bow-street police court with Mr. Hall and the prisoner—I told Mr. Hall what had taken place between Madame Valentin, and myself when I went to Bream's-buildings—I did not tell him that it was very important to get hold of this bag, or that it would be necessary to search the box and the bonnet-box of Madame Valentin; but above all, to search her articles of dress—I told him that at the time of her arrest in Paris she had 32,000 in francs sewn in the lining of her petticoats—I said that because the prisoner sent me to Mr. Hall's office to say it, and on the same day I gave Mr. Hall some written instructions, which I wrote at the prisoner's dictation—I have heard her called Madame Valentin at the hotel, and Madame Donflou, and at the last place the prisoner, his wife, and daughter, used to call her La Chatelaine, and I have heard them call her Bertiu also; but I never spoke of her as Bertin—I heard the prisoner address her as Bertin, but I think nobody else—this paper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is in my writing—it is what I handed to Mr. Hall with Madame Valentin's photo
<hi rend="italic">This being read, stated</hi>: "It is also very important the day on which the search shall be made; it will be necessary not only to examine her box at the hotel, but also her articles of clothing, at at the time of her arrest in Paris had a sum of 30,000f. in shares in the lining of her petticoats: it may be that the missing coupons will be found in the same way. It will be necessary to have her watched, so that if she is not found at 38, Dean-street, it is certain that she will be found at Cranbourne-street. I re
<lb/>commend also Mr. Hall to take many precautions to insure its full success, she being very clever might go away, and change her residence to a place where it would be very difficult to find her")—I went with Mr. Hall to Bow-street police-court, but did not go in—I did not after that say to Mr. Hall or to any one, that she was only awaiting the receipt of some property from France, and the realisation of the coupons in her possession to go to America—the prisoner sent me with some message to Mr. Hall, and it may be that I said something which the prisoner told me, but I never told Mr. Hall anything about her going to America, or leaving the country; never to anybody—the prisoner told me that it was necessary to say that she was going to America, but I do not recollect whether he said so to me before I made the first affidavit—I know that man—(
<hi rend="italic">a French gaoler</hi>)—I swear in his presence that I did not serve my full time; I had my grace, and I was only in prison eight days—I never was in prison more than once.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long is it since the charge of stealing the postage-stamp was brought against you.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> In 1859; I was then an apprentice in</p>
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<p>a commission-office—my age will be twenty-five next June—I went to Paris after my discharge—I was liberated after eight days, because it was was found out that I did not take the postage-stamps, and the man who did take them has been dismissed from his functions for it—with that exception I have never had a criminal charge brought against me—the prisoner dictated the statement that I wrote in his shop in Berwick-street—when I signed the affidavit, I asked Mr. Hall what the contents were, and he said that it was some information about Madame Valentin, but did not tell me what it was—the bag was like this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you say, or did you hear anybody else say that some
<lb/>thing was concealed in the lining of the bag?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; but I heard Madame Lafourcade say that Madame Valentin must have got her money in the bag—the bag was opened again at Mr. Hall's office a little time after to see if anything more could be found in it—I saw the coupons found the first time it was opened.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-136" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-136" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-136" type="surname" value="COULAN"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-136" type="given" value="MADAME"/>MADAME COULAN</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of the last witness, and live at 69, Davies-street, Berkley-square—until May I was living with him at the same place as the prisoner and his wife—I know Madame Valentin—I remember her being arrested—the first I heard of it was the prisoner told me that he had caused her to be arrested for a sum of 12,000f., because she had refused to give him money, and he would have his revenge—he said that he knew well that what he had told was not the truth, but when it was a matter of 12,000f. you must not look so much to it, and that English justice was only a comedy.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BESLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Can you give me the day when this conversation took place?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not precisely—it was in Berwick-street—my husband was present, and the prisoner's wife and his daughter Louise—it was in December, at the end, I think—I lived in the same hotel as Madame Valentin, but was not living there when she was arrested—I never knew her by the name of Bertin—I did not know the prisoner till I came to London—I saw him first before the hotel where we lived—that was towards the end of September.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-137" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-137" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-137" type="surname" value="REY"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-137" type="given" value="CHARLOTTE"/>CHARLOTTE REY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter.</hi>) I am single, and am a dealer, re
<lb/>siding at 31, Rue de Provence, Paris—I have known the prosecutrix from October, 1863—I came to this country in April, this year, and visited her several times in Whitecross-street prison—I was there with her once in May, when the prisoner was there—about ten days before that I had seen him at the New York Hotel, where I was staying, and I manifested my astonishment at his having said that Madame Valentin was to depart for America—he said, "I have never said that Madame Valentin was to go to America."—I said, "If you did not say so you have signed as much, you have declared in an affidavit that she was on the eve of departing for America, what has M. Bouillon promised you, to make you declare to such a lie; I know that he can promise much, but I know that he does not keep much of what he promises"—the prisoner answered, "I have not been satisfied with the engagement, I have received something on account; I have a perfect regular engagement for what is promised"—I said, "You know perfectly well that Madame Valentin is not about to depart to America; how is it when she has done you so much good, that you have done her so much harm"—he said, "If you knew how these things are managed in London; a book was presented to me, and I was asked to sign something, I did not bother myself about the remainder"—I said, "What you have done has had very important Consequences for her, since she has been put in prison, and is not yet out,</p>
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<p>and from what I see it is interest that has made you commit such an infamy"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "How much are they to give you?"—he said, "400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—I said, If 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. has been given you for making a lie, how much will you ask from me to tell the truth?"—he said, "1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. sterling"—I said that I had nothing to say, and he had only to withdraw—I went to Madame Valentin at Whitecross prison every day, and I saw the prisoner there at one of those interviews—he bad then lowered his pretensions, and said that instead of 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., he would only ask Madame Valentin the same turn which was secured to him by Mr. Hall and Bouillon—he showed me the treaty which he had made with Mr. Hall in the name of M. Bouillon, to show me that such sum was well secured to him—I told him that it was infamy to have her arrested, because he knew well that the property belonged to her—he said that it was in order to make money—I told him I was very much astonished that he should take an oath so easily, that in England it was a serious matter—he said, that an oath which was taken not in our own religion was not binding, and that he had been made to sign two affidavits, the first not having been sufficient.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Madame Valentin put any question to you at the end of her imprisonment?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I first saw her at Mrs. Lodinska's, a private house in Paris, in October, 1863—it was not in prison that I saw her first—I was never in prison (
<hi rend="italic">Two gaolers named Meurant and Goury were called in</hi>)—I do not know those men, I have never seen them before—I persist in saying that I have never been in prison—I do not know 28, Lisle-street, Leicester-square—I do not know the place where one of the prisoner's daughter's was in the habit of working about Easier this year—I know his daughters, and knew where to go, but do not know the number—I have been there to see his daughter and wife, on behalf of Mrs. Caranza of Paris, who knew them—I did not go to request that the prisoner would call on me—I did not at that time know of the affidavits be had made—I did not send for him at all—when I went there and saw that it was a laundry, I said, "I have some linen to be washed, call at the hotel or send for it"—I do not know Neu, a waiter at an hotel in Percy-street, Rath-bone-place—I never desired a waiter from the New York Hotel to go to Lisle-street with a message to the prisoner—I sent the ladies'-maid to Madame Lafourcade to say that if they were not coming to take my linen at once I must give it elsewhere—when I went there and saw the prisoner, I did not even say a word to him—I had a message to his wife, but took no notice of him—his wife did not say that she would not go to the hotel or have anything to do with the linen, as it was not her business, on the contrary, she thanked me for giving it to her to wash, and conducted me very politely to the door, and said that she would at once send for it—before I went to Lisle-street I went to Paris—I remained about a week, and on my return I heard of the affidavits—Madame Valentin gave me the address of her solicitor, who spoke to me about them—I cannot tell you how I found out the house in Lisle-street, I think the address was given to me by Madame Caranza—Madame Valentin did not tell me that the prisoner was about to visit her in prison; it was quite by accident that I met him there—the conversation was entirely between him and me, because I found that it was below the dignity of Madame Valentin to have any conversation with a man who had done her so much hurt as the prisoner—on my arrival at the prison he had just come in, he had not spoken to her; he went into the room first—when I went in, Madame Valentin was making him some severe re
<lb/>proaches as to his conduct with her, and he said, "It is no time to make</p>
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<p>recriminations, I come here to try to save you"—I know he had said nothing before that because Madame Valentin said that he had just come in, and be said so also—my other conversation with the prisoner was at the New York Hotel—we were alone for the greater part of the time, and for a minute or so a Mr. Dubois was present, the prisoner had come there with him—that was after I returned from Paris—I had seen Madame Valentin in prison before I returned to Paris—she told me nothing about the affidavits, she did not even know why she was there—I know that Madame Lodinska had some difficulties with her husband—I did not see her in the prison of St. Lazarre, only in her house in Paris and in her country house at Duperk.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is there any pretence for the suggestion that you have ever been in prison in your life or had any charge brought against you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I do not know of any pretext for it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-138" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-138" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-138" type="surname" value="SHEARING"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-138" type="given" value="HORACE"/>HORACE SHEARING</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk of the London and Westminster Bank, Temple Bar Branch—Messrs. Denton and Hall the solicitors keep an account there—on 23d November, 1864, 480
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was transferred from their account to a deposit account in the joint names of Frederick Thomas Hall and Jean Lafourcade—20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of that was drawn out on 24th December, and the interest was carried on—the remaining 460
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. with the interest was drawn out on 10th June to the joint signatures of Hall and Lafourcade—there is no power for one to draw out alone.[
<hi rend="italic">Adjourned.</hi>]</p>
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, August</hi> 16
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-139" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-139" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-139" type="surname" value="HALL"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-139" type="given" value="FREDERICK THOMAS"/>FREDERICK THOMAS HALL</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor in partnership with Mr. Denton, we were solicitors for the Bouillons in the action—my brother is an avoue in Paris—about 16th November last, in consequence of a commu
<lb/>nication from Paris from the Bouillons, I made enquiries about the prisoner, I knew nothing of him before that—the first interview I had with him was, I believe, on 17th November, at 56, Berwick-street, Oxford-street, where he lived—I saw him alone and he told me that he had in his possession docu
<lb/>mentary evidence which would enable the Bouillons to find and recover without loss from 3,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 4,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of shares, payable to bearer, which belonged to them as heirs of a deceased person named Donflou—I already knew what their representative character was, but be refused to give any information or to name the documents unless he was remunerated for it—I communicated with Paris, and on 19th November received this power of attorney (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), it is in French—I then had another interview with the prisoner and informed him of the nature of my authority, but terms were not agreed upon and I considered the matter ended; but on 21st November he called on me and stated that he would forego the payment of a sum of money down—the proposal having been communicated to Paris and ratified, was put in writing on 23d November—that arrangement referred to the deposit of 480
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., this is the document—(
<hi rend="italic">This was a memorandum of agree
<lb/>ment between the witness and the defendant, dated November 23d, 1864, and stating the terms upon which the</hi> 480
<hi rend="italic">l. was to be deposited in their joint names, signed</hi> "
<hi rend="smallCaps">J. LAFOURCADE</hi>")—the counterpart was signed by me, I kept this one and he the one which I signed—up to that time he had not disclosed to me the person described as the thief, but had spoken of the thief as
<hi rend="italic">him</hi>—on my return to my office and within half an hour after that agreement was signed, I heard Madame Valentin's name in connection with it—I had at that time learned nothing about her movements or probable movements, and did not know where she was—on the day after I received the information from the prisoner I went to the Bow-street police-court,</p>
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<p>Coulan went with me—the same afternoon that the deposit was made, be
<lb/>fore five o'clock, Coulan had handed me this paper with information, I think that was on the 23d, but it may have been on the morning of the 24th, before we went to Bow-street—it was not precisely an application at Bow-street, it was a mere submission of documents—up to that time there was no idea of a capias, I never thought of it and had not the least idea it would apply—there was no communication with the prisoner about his ma
<lb/>king an affidavit for a capias—the paper that has been put in in Coulan's writing refers to the criminal proceedings—I got the information as to the possibility of Madame Valentin going to America, from Coulan—I mean that statement, it was on the way back from Bow-street—the prisoner was not present but Coulan repeated the statement next day in the prisoner's presence—Coulan gave me verbal information in addition to what was in the written statement—the first application to a Judge at Chambers was made late in the day on 24th November, on a joint affidavit of Coulan and myself—it was prepared in Coulan's presence and he read it—we were sworn on the same testament at the same time—the next application was made on the following day on a more explicit affidavit of myself and an affidavit of the defendant—I had had no conversation with him before that as to the probable intention of Madame Valentin to leave the country, but I had re
<lb/>ceived the information from Coulan before—upon that a capias issued and on 5th December she was arrested—I had very considerable communications with Paris in that interval—the execution of the capias was purposely delayed—I did not when she was taken say that Lafourcade was in custody or that Coulan was arrested—I went with her to the lock-up in Bream's Build
<lb/>ings—Coulan remained there after I tot and afterwards made a statement to me in consequence of which I saw Mdme. Valentin, who denied all know
<lb/>ledge of the shares or coupons—in the afternoon I went to Katzenstein's to serve process on him in an action of detenue, for detaining part of Bouillon's property, and before I left the place I saw that Coulan had possession of a bag—I believe this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) there are some brass things on it and a ticket—there is no key that I know of—it was opened in this way. (
<hi rend="italic">Bending the iron</hi>)—I did not open it, Coulan emptied it of all its apparent contents, and it was thought to contain nothing further, when in this corner some lumps about as big as walnuts were felt, thereupon it was forced a little more open and the lining was pulled out a little, and between the lining and the leather was a little bag carefully sewn up which we opened and out came three bundles of coupons—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are a portion of them, these are all of the Lyons Railway Company, and these of the Paris Omnibus Company—the earliest coupon of the Omnibus Company is 1st January, 1863, and the latest 1st July, 1864—there are four sets, January and July 1863, and January and July, 1864—those of the Lyons Railway are 1st May, 1862, to 1st May, 1864, also four sets—I took possession of them but not of the Orleans then—there were also in the bag some sleeves, collars and small articles of dress, a bottle of scent, and a case with two pair of spectacles in it—there were no l,000f. bank notes—Coulan retained possession of the bag, all the other things being put back except these coupons—one morning in December when I reached chambers I found the bag on my table, tied up in a newspaper but who left it I know not—the same things were in it ap
<lb/>parently—I put it aside on the top of a book-case folded up in paper and tied with string and there it remained till the day of the trial, at least it was produced once in the meantime—I have received from the prisoner some sale notes of shares which exactly correspond with the coupons found in the</p>
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<p>bag—these shares pass from hand to hand and the coupons can only be cashed at the Company's office, they must ultimately be paid by the Com
<lb/>pany—a subsequent action was commenced against Madame Valentin by M. Bouillon after the discovery of the coupons in the bag, in consequence of fresh instructions from France; it was an action in trover for the shares themselves, the first action being for the coupons—they were both tried and the defendant was a witness—a M. Maniere acted as solicitor for Madame Valentin, I can hardly say whether he was her solicitor at the time of the first capias—I was only in communication with him three or four days after the arrest—Madame Valentin referred me to him as her solicitor on, I think, 8th December—he acted as her solicitor at the first trial on 6th February, when both actions were tried as undefended, and afterwards a new trial was permitted, and then the larger action was to be tried and the second was to abide the event; one was tried and the other only formally tried—I had two or three interviews with M. Maniere when he was acting as her solicitor and all notices were served at his office.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Then it was the first action upon which she was arrested?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> yes; the amount was between 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; a verdict was taken for 480
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you enter those causes as un
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> they were marked undefended—that was the end of January or February—they were entered for trial for the first sitting in Hilary Term, 12th January—the first cause was ripe for entering, but the other was not ripe for trial; the pleadings were not completed—having com
<lb/>menced an action, I made the first a remanet until the second was ready—the order to hold Madame Valentin to bail was in the sum of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I obtained an order to detain her in the sum of 2,900
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I issued a writ against Katzenstein, and took a copy of it with me to serve him personally—there was an original to it—the two papers produced yesterday and marked, emanated from my office—they are in my clerk's writing; one of them purports to be a copy of a writ of summons to institute an action against Auguste Coulan in the Court of Exchequer, at the suit of Guillaume Bouillon and Frances Bouillon, his wife—there was never an original to that, that I know of—it comes from nay office—I believe it to have been copied from the original in the action brought against Madame Valentin, and for months afterwards I believed it was a copy of that—I know now that it was not directed to Coulan—I first saw it when it was produced at Westminster last January; I never saw it before in my life.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know as a fact, that when Madame Valentin was arrested on 5th December, Coulan had in his possession that which purported to be the copy of a writ?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I know he had not—I know that on the evening of that day he had not a paper which purported to be a legal paper from my office—I had an interview with Madame Valentin in Coulan's presence about 2 o'clock that day—she was arrested at a little before 10 o'clock that morning, and I went to see her in the course of the day at Bream's-buildings—I had previously accompanied Coulan and the Sheriff's officer in a cab from the place where she was arrested, to the lock up; I was the only person who could explain in the French language—in the evening of that day when I had a conversation with Madame Valentin, I did not, referring to Coulan who was in the hall, speak of him as "This poor fellow."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Cannot Coulan speak French and English?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> yes; but the reason I went to effect the arrest with the officer was that I was the</p>
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<p>only one in my office who could explain to the defendant the nature of the arrest, and explain the circumstances.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You have seen another document here—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) purports to be what; look at it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> This purports to be a copy of the writ of capias—there was an order made by Baron Martin of what this is a copy; not to arrest Coulan, but this does not purport to be a copy of Coulan's writ—this is not a copy—there never was an order made by Mr. Baron Martin at my instance to arrest Auguste Coulan—as to the other paper, I never saw it till January—I know that neither of these papers were in existence on 5th December, nor on the 6th—I gave directions for them to be written, and I have my books here to show it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When was it you gave directions to a clerk to make this which pur
<lb/>ports to be a copy of a writ of which there never was an original, and this which purports to be an order of Mr. Baron Martin which never was made?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I gave directions on 5th December, that Coulan might have copies of Valentin's writ of capias—I handed these two papers to Coulan, I was going into the office, and I said, "Tell them they are to make copies of those for you"—one is in the writing of a clerk named Barker, and the other of a clerk named Goden—I was examined at the trial at Nisi Prius, and when I was asked, "Did these writs come out of your office?" the papers were, I believe, put into my hand, and I think I said there might have been an original writ in a very few minutes if something had not hap
<lb/>pened, and there would have been.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You were asked to repeat your answer, and you say, "Yes. there would have been very shortly, if we had not found that the man to whom it is directed was willing to assist us": you say you thought that was a copy of the writ issued against Madame Valentin?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, "the man to whom it is directed," refers to Coulan—Coulan had reported to me that he had been authorized by Madame Valentin to procure this bag which contained matters which would compromise her, he had attempted to get it from the hotel-keeper, who refused, and therefore I sued him, and on being served with the writ, he gave up the bag to Coulan, who gave the coupons to me, and afterwards said, "Am I safe with regard to these?"—I said, "If you like I will return you the coupons; you may keep them;" but I kept this reservation in my mind that I would keep my eye on him—I said that I should have "run them through," by which I meant that I should have sued anybody he handed them to, and anybody that that person handed them to, until they were in safety; I knew these people very little, and I was obliged to be very cautious how I dealt with them—this was on the 6th, the day after I had them, he came and asked me whether he was safe, and I said, "If you are afraid, I will hand them back to you."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How does this explain your giving him this capias two days afterwards, because you offered them back, and he declined to take them, therefore there was no reason to have writs prepared against him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I say I should have sued him had I seen any intention on his part to run away with the property.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You are asked to explain about the sham writs?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He had been pre
<lb/>sent in the cab when Madame Valentin was served with a copy of the capias and of the writ, and she believed him to be a fellow prisoner; he was calling continually all day, and he said, "I wish you would let me have copies of those papers which you gave to Valentin"—they were for his own information, not only as to the nature of the proceedings but of getting information as to the nature of the property.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You were asked to account for them, and you said, "I had those copies made for an original to be prepared in case of necessity?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> You will see that that is explained afterwards; at the time those writs were handed to me I bad not the least recollection of them, I supposed them for the time to be copies of the writs against Valentin, afterwards, when I found that they had been handed to him, they said that he asked to have his name put in—I said in my former examination that I supposed they were prepared to have originals made from them.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> In the proper course of proceeding, having brought an action against Madame Valentin, what business had you to give what purported to be copies of the process to Coulan?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He asked me for copies, and I let him have them, because he was in the confidence of Valentin, and I believed I was dealing with a very clever thief—I did not instruct papers to be made in my office and given to him that he might flourish them about as a terror to Madame Valentin, or other persons, certainly not—there was an original writ in Madame Valentin's case—it was not my only object in going in the cab that I was anxious to see Madame Valentin arrested, but also to see that she was the right person, and to explain to her in her own language the nature of the case—these papers were made out pursuant to my direction, but not as I directed them to be made out—it was my sup
<lb/>position at first that an original could be made in case of necessity—it was not till my examination at the trial at Nisi Prius had proceeded some way, and I saw the direction it was taking, that it dawned upon my mind, I have since referred to my books, and now it is perfectly clear; you will find afterwards that it is fully explained—I will refer to my books if you wish it—these entries are in my own writing—here is an entry on 8th December; it would be entered on the evening of the 8th or the morning of the 9th, "Copy writ for Mr. Coulan; copy capias for him"—this is my day-book—I have a diary in which I post appointments—the action is still pending, and there are the names of persons mentioned here, but I do not object to the Jury seeing the book, if you will refer to the 5th you will find an account of the arrest—I do not think I had an interview with Mr. Maniere, Madame Valentin's attorney, on the Thursday when the entry was made—if you let me look at the book I will tell you—(
<hi rend="italic">Looking at the book</hi>) I do not believe I saw him for a week afterwards—I did not see him on the 8th—I had no interview with him at all—I keep an appointment-book—this is my diary—I have no other book in which I make original entries day by day—this is written partly by me and partly by my partner—I did not on the 8th direct anybody to confer with Mr. Maniere on my behalf about this matter—you have got hold of the wrong name; it is Manners, and not Maniere, that is written there, but it is in reference to this matter—I do not think I have here the book in which I enter appointments, but I can get it in twenty minutes—the writ in Madame Valentin's case was issued on the 24tb, and the order to hold her to bail was on the 25th—these two papers, which were called on the trial sham writs, are dated 25th November, the very same day, they are copies—I did not allude to Coulan as "This poor fellow,"I do not think he was referred to in the least.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You were asked the question, "Do you remember saying, you are an actress of great merit, but you are not so clever as to succeed, you have brought many into trouble by your tricks, this poor young man Coulan was arrested through your tricks," did you say that?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—my answer was not "This poor young man I might have said"—it is obvious that part of the question is run into the answer; it is not English as it stands; it</p>
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<p>should be "This poor young man; I might have said that she was an actress, because I understood she had been on the stage"—there is something left out there—I did not make that answer; I may have been mis
<lb/>understood—Coulan was present at the interview with Madame Valentin—I never heard him spoken of as "This poor young man."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you not further asked, "Was Coulan there at the time? I believe he was—I believe he did not say one word, and he has told so many lies I do not know what is the truth. When did you know he was arrested? I knew it after he had done it to get me back the coupons."
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The coupons were delivered over directly afterwards—I had them the game day, I think it was, I did not know of this until some time after the coupons were got—I wish to point out that there are manifest inaccuracies in part of that copy—on the day of the arrest, after Coulan had an interview with Madame Valentin in the lock-up, he came to me and repeated that being alone with her in her room she said to him, "How comes it that you are arrested with me?" "Thereupon," he said, "I took my cue and said nothing"; that she said, "You cannot be kept in prison very long; when you go out, go to my lodging, and get a bag you will find there, and make away with it, hide it, burn it, or go to France with it"—in consequence of that proceedings were taken, and the hotel-keeper gave up the bag afterwards—it was found that the bulk of property claimed could not be traced, and Coulan continued to act out the character of fellow prisoner for two days longer for the purpose of ascertaining who she was in communication with, in order that the property might be traced—that was about the 7th or 8th, and I was aware that she was under the impression that he was a fellow-prisoner—I knew that his scheme was to pretend that he had been arrested, and that he was carrying it on for three days, but the idea originated with Madame Valentin—it was done with my knowledge for two or three days—the papers were made by my clerk on 8th December.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you mean to persevere in telling my Lord and the Jury that on that day when they were made you did not know that it was process against Coulan?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was informed when I returned that they had been made and that his name had been introduced, but that was after they went out of my hands—I was taken quite by surprise in the trial—I attached so little importance to it, that of course in six months the fact itself had passed from my mind—it dawned on me for the first time on the trial; I had no notion of sham writs—I saw what it was intended to impute to me, I was asked, "Are those in the writing of your clerks?"—I knew on the same afternoon that Madame Valentin's writs were copied and that Coulan's name had been substituted—I believe it was on the 15th that I first saw M. Maniere, for, strange enough, I was in the very act of preparing the affidavits to hold her to bail and I had him shown into another room—he said that he was going to get her discharge as she was not going to leave the country.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you give instructions to anybody to put the name of Coulan in the writ?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; whoever did so it is in the writing of my clerk, without any suggestion or order from me—at my interview with Madame Valentin at Bream's-buildings at which Coulan was present, I gave her the full particulars of the claim made against her for the shares and the coupons we were seeking to recover; she said that she knew nothing whatever of the coupons or shares; I said, "You cannot say that for I have received documents from Lafourcade which disprove that fact"—she said, "I know no one of the name of Lafourcade."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Find out the first entry in your book where Maniere's name</p>
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<p>is mentioned?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It may not have been sufficiently important to be put in here, but it would be in the call book which is in the writing of the office boy. (
<hi rend="italic">The witness was directed to search for the first entry.</hi>)</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you produce the cash-book, ledger, day-book and diary of 1864?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> This is the only diary, it has "Diary" written outside but it is only appointments, it does not record tillings done but things to be done—I have the writ against Katzenstein here—Mr. Manners was an agent who I was employing to get information from, I do not think I ought to be asked further.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-140" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-140" type="surname" value="HALL"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-140" type="given" value="CHARLES KENNEDY"/>CHARLES KENNEDY HALL</persName> </hi>. I am a licentiate of French law, I took my degree two years ago—in November last I was instructed by M. Bouillon and Mr. Devouard his
<hi rend="italic">avoue</hi> in Paris, in reference to some Orleans Railway, Lyons Railway, and Paris Omnibus shares—I put myself in communication with my brother in London and sent a power of attorney—I had no know-ledge at that time of the person in respect of whom Lafourcade had offered information—I came over to London several times about an insurance case, I cannot say the exact date—I was present once when the prisoner came to my brother and recognised him at once as a person I had known at my club in Paris—I had known him since 1854, when I joined the club, he bore a perfectly good character during that time—I was present and remember explaining to him in Coulan's presence an affidavit which had been prepared—I went to the gentleman in Gray's-inn-square when it was sworn—I have here an official copy of a judgment in the French Courts in the case of the
<hi rend="italic">Procurer Imperial</hi> against Madame Valentin—I have no translation of it here, I had on the former trial—I have also here the interrogatories of Madame Valentin—I was not acquainted with the circumstances of the arrest of Madame Valentin, I was in Paris, but after the arrest I received the coupons that were found concealed it) the bag.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you taken the degree?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; as an Englishman I cannot go to the bar—I have taken the necessary degree—I know M. Nicholay very well who acted as
<hi rend="italic">avocat</hi> for M. Bouillon—I was not connected professionally with him in 1863—I never was his secretary.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650814-name-141" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650814-name-141" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-141" type="surname" value="LAFOURCADE"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-141" type="given" value="LOUSIE"/>LOUSIE LAFOURCADE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter</hi>). I am a daughter of the defendant—I reside with Mr. Reichardt—I was living there in April last—I work in a shop—I know Mdlie Ray—I work in a laundry shop at 28, Lisle-street, Leicester-square—I saw Ray at Easter several times, she came to my place wishing to speak to my relations—I saw her and her mother come to the shop and heard what passed but I was not seen—she came on many occasions—I know Madame Valentin—I was in the habit of seeing her in October and November last year—she came often to our place in Berwick-street—I was living with my father in Berwick-street—Coulan was living there at that time—I have heard Madame Valentin speak in the course of conversation in reference to her own affairs, my father was always present—Madame Valentin has often told me that she wished to make a tour in Scotland and from there that she should go to America—I have heard her say that very often—we said if she went we should not go with her—Coulan was present at several of the conversations.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you leave Paris?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I came with my mother and my sister on 25th September—I am a laundress.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you at any time see Madame Coulan at Berwick-street with your father?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She was always there for she lived there.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you at any time in Madame Coulan's presence hear your father say that English justice was a comedy?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you hear your father say that Madame Valentin had re
<lb/>fused to give him money and that he would have his revenge?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I do not know; I never heard him say that he knew well that what he told was not the truth, but when the matter was 12,500f. you must not look so much at that—I never heard him say, "At last she is arrested, the rascal," or that he had caused her to be arrested for 12,500f.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you know that your father had received 5,000 franca from Madame Valentin on his coming to this country?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not know it till afterwards—I do not know exactly at what time I knew that—I know that in November my father was very poor, and almost without money—I do not recollect my father asking Madame Valentin for more money about that time, or to advance him 3,000f. more—my father is not in the habit of confiding his affairs to me—I do not know that my father got about 80 or 100 francs at the latter end of November—I have never heard him say that he had got from her either 80 or 100 francs and that she would give him no more—I was a laundress in Paris—I had no other mode of earning my living there—I never belonged to any public establishment or theatre in Paris, I have always been a laundress—my sisters Matilde and Marie have been connected with the Bouffes Parisiennes but not I—from the very first day that I came to England, Madame Valentin told me about her going to Scotland and then to America, she always said so—when we first came to England we stayed at Katzeustein's hotel—she said it often to us at the hotel, but not to other people—she said it always in the family room in which she and we lived—we all passed our time and had our meals in the public dining-room of the hotel like the rest of the world.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you heard also conversations at Berwick-street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Certainly, before all of us—that was before M. and Madame Coulan as well as us.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you heard Madame Valentin speak of going anywhere else?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> To several other places, she had said she would go to China, and also to Scotland and America—I heard her speak of her intention to return to France in January.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How would she get from China and Scotland and America, to France in January?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She wished to bring an action against Bouillon on her return—she was frequently speaking of her intention of going to France to attack M. Bouillon—that was also at the time she was talking of going to America, and she was to be in Paris in January, so she said—I do not recollect the date I last heard her speak of going to America, but it was the last time she came.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-142" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-142" type="surname" value="LAFOURCADE"/>
<interp inst="t18650814-name-142" type="given" value="MARIE LOUISE"/>MARIE LOUISE LAFOURCADE</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter.</hi>) I am a daughter of the defendant, and live at Paris—I am an artiste—I came to London with my mother, and my two sisters—we arrived on 25th September, and went to the Hotel de Ville de France, Dean-street, Soho—I saw Madame Valentin there—she was addressed as Madame Bertin, and my father was called M. Edouard—we left London on 9th October, and arrived in Paris on the N. 10th—while I was in London Madame Valentin talked of going to America O. and Scotland, and even to China, upon which I told her she was going to P. lose herself to throw herself away in distant countries—she did not say Q. that she would live and die in England; she never intended to die in R. England.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Madame Valentin talk about going back to Paris?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I am an actress.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-143" type="given" value="MATILDE"/>MATILDE LAFOURCADE</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter</hi>). I am a daughter of the defendant—I came to this country on 25th September—I lived in Dean-street a fortnight, and went back to Paris on 9th October—I returned here last Saturday—before I returned to Paris I saw Madame Valentin every day; we lived at the same hotel—she several times manifested a wish to go away to Scotland, and then to America, particularly on one occasion when I was at the Crystal Palace—she was known at the hotel as Madame Bertin—I know Coulan; he was present on some of those occasions when America was named, and my father also.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long did Madame Valentin intend to stop in America?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She did not say; she only said she would end her days in travelling about.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>. Did she talk about going to China as well?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Once at the Crystal Palace—I did not hear Italy talked of—she talked of Scotland, America, and China, and my sister said to her laughing, "You will lose yourself"—I do not recollect her talking of going back to Paris this year—I am an actress—I have come over on purpose for this case—I was not here when my father was examined before the police-magistrate—I arrived on Sunday—my sister arrived on Saturday, but I lost the train—when I went away with my sister to Paris, my family remained in Dean-street.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. What is your salary as an actress?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have a written engagement, 450f., and 500f. the succeeding month—I am a singer.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you very frequently hear Madame Valentin speak of going to America?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Very frequently, Coulan was frequently present on those occasions—I heard her say so most every day—I do not recollect the date when Coulan came to England, but I was here when he arrived—he came about nine days after me, but I cannot tell exactly.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">LOUISE LAPOUBOADE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you know of your father being examined at the police-court on this charge?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I do not think so—I heard of it in the evening—if he was before the Magistrate more than once, it must have been on some other business—I was never examined before the Magistate—my father asked me to go before the Magistrate, and I was present, but I was not examined—I think some attorney or Counsel appeared for him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">FREDERICK THOMAS HALL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Counsel appear for him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and by his advice the defence was reserved.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-144" type="given" value="AMAND"/>AMAND KEICHARDT</persName> </hi>. I am a French laundress, of 28, Lisle-street, Leicestersquare—I know Madame Valentin, and have conversed with her about her affairs for an hour at a time—on one occasion she said that foreigners are always robbed in this country, and that it was her intention not to remain here; that it was for that reason she stayed at an hotel; and without that she should have established herself with her own furniture—I know Made
<lb/>moiselle Ray; she was at my house the first Sunday after Easter, about 12 o'clock in the day, and I lent her my room to speak to the prisoner in private, because he was in a very little room—she could not see him because he did not choose to be seen, but she saw Madame Lafouroade—she came about four times—I remember Neu, the waiter at the New York Hotel, coming there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is Reichardt the name by which you have always gone?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; one of the prisoner's daughters was and is living at 28, Lisle-street—she is in my employment; she is my head work
<lb/>woman, but I did not know her before this affair—the prisoner was living</p>
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<p>there before his arrest—he received a summons to present himself before the Court in the morning; he went, and the affair did not come on, and he had to go back at 2 o'clock in the afternoon—that was near Covent-garden—I was present in Court when the examination was going on, but was not examined as a witness—it was at my house that Madame Valentin said that foreigners were always robbed in this country, and she did not intend to stay; she came to get some clean linen for a little Italian girl, whose husband was present when she made that statement—he went away about three weeks ago.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-145" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES NEU</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter</hi>). About Easter last, I was waiter at the New York Hotel, Leicester-square—I was sent by Made
<lb/>moiselle Ray, on one or two occasions, to Lisle-street, Leicester-square—she told me to go there, and ask for a gentleman, whose name I forget—he was not there; she did not give me any description of him—she only sent me once.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-146" type="given" value="FLORENTIN JOSEPH"/>FLORENTIN JOSEPH MEURANT</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter.</hi>) I am a gaoler of the first class, of the prison of St. Lazarre; it is a correctional prison—I was called into Court yesterday, when Charlotte Ray was in the box—I recognized her, and from what I know of her I would not dare to say that I would believe her on her oath after the place in which I knew her; nor from what I know of herself—I knew her three months between 1861 and 1862, and two months in 1863.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When were you first asked whether you would believe her on her oath?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Here, at this moment—I have not been asked the question before—I have not been examined by Mr. Hall—no person has questioned me before I came into this Court—no gentleman has put such a question to me this morning.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-147" type="given" value="PIERRE ADOLPHE"/>PIERRE ADOLPHE GOURY</persName> </hi>. I am a gaoler of the second class of the prison of St. Lazarre—I know Mademoiselle Ray perfectly—I saw her yesterday when I was called into Court—I have known her for three months, and two months in 1861 and 1862, and from what I know of her I would not believe her on her oath.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Would you lend her 5f.?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When were you first asked the question whether you knew her before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never till this moment.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you got leave of absence to come here?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I only know Mr. C. K. Hall by having seen him here the last day or two—he has asked me no questions this morning.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-148" type="given" value="RIBTON"/>MR. RIBTON. Mr. C. K. HALL</persName> </hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know these two men as the goalers they represent themselves to be?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I was instrumental in getting them leave of absence to come here.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you examined them this morning?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I asked them both whether Ray would be believed upon her oath.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you ask them whether they themselves would believe her on her oath?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not (
<hi rend="italic">The short-hand notes of the prisoner's evidence at the trial at Westminster were here read.</hi>)</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-149" type="given" value="EUGENE"/>EUGENE THIOU</persName> </hi>. I am a spring bed maker, of Howland-street, Tottenham Court-road—I started from here for Paris on 22d August—I stayed there three weeks, and left Paris for London about 12th or 14th September, via Dieppe—Madame Valentin was a traveller by the same carriage, also another lady and the prisoner—we had some conversation between Paris and Rouen, and arrived in London on Tuesday about 11 or 12 o'clock—I recommended them to an hotel in Dean-street, but did not take them there;</p>
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<p>I sent them there—we ordered a bottle of wine together—I am sure Madame Valentin is the lady, and there was another lady, who I took for servant.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you not been in Court during part of this trial this morning, and did not you go away an hour ago and come back?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was in a few minutes, but they said, "You must not stop here," and I went out—that was half an hour or forty minutes ago—I was not in Court for nearly an hour—I was here at ten minutes to 3—I was called in and afterwards sent out again—I never saw any of these people after September, when I accompanied them to London—the prisoner found me out—he had ray address in his pocket-book—I gave it to him when I met him in Oxford-street about a month afterwards—I never called on him nor ho on me, but his solicitor did a fortnight ago—he did not come to me in May and ask me to go to the police-court.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is this the address you gave him when you met him in Oxford street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, that is my writing—I have got my rent-book in my pocket by which I can fix the date—when I came back from France I had to pay four weeks' rent at once, and I paid it on 12th September—it was not after 12th September—it was two or three days after I travelled with them that I paid my rent, but I entered it on the 12th in my rent-book—I did not see Madam Valentin again till yesterday.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know the hotel-keeper at Dean-street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, nor his wife.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-150" type="given" value="ETIENNE ALEXANDER"/>ETIENNE ALEXANDER DBMONILLE</persName> </hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I know the last witness—I remember his returning from Paris in September—I saw him at my house—two foreigners were with him, who he was kind enough to conduct to me to get a person to interpret for them—I wont with them to the Hotel de Ville de Franco and saw the prisoner there and Madame Valentin, and I believe her sister—I am not able to fix the date in September.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know Mr. Eataenstein by sight, who keeps the hotel in Dean-street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I dare say I could recognize him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-151" type="given" value="EMILE"/>EMILE RETTICHE</persName> </hi>. I am chief clerk at the foreign department of the General Exchange Bank—I recognise the prisoner—he called on me last autumn—I think it must have been the end of August or the beginning of September, and offered me some shares to sell for him—he had a parcel, but I did not see the papers themselves.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MADAME COULAN</hi>. What was the date of your coming to London?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Two years ago on the 3d of next October—I only came that once—my husband went to Ross in February last year, and returned to London on 1st of last October.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-760-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">The Jury were unanimous in their opinion that Mr. Hall deserved a vote of censure.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, August</hi> 16
<hi rend="italic">th</hi> 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, B</hi> 143). On Saturday night, 15th July, I stopped Cornish in the Grosvenor-road, Pimlico—I told him I should take him into custody for breaking and entering St. Jude's Church, Chelsea—he said, "I know all about it, I'll tell you; Porter had the coats"—I handed him over to B 118, who took him to the station—about 1 in the morning, I went to 13 1/2, Queen's-road, and found Harvey in bed—I told him I wanted him for a robbery at St. Jude's Church—he said, "You have got the wrong man"—I conveyed him to the station—at 2 o'clock I went to the same lodging-house and took Porter, in bed in a different room—I told him I wanted him for having two coats in his possession, and likewise for breaking into St. Jude's Church—he said, "Who has
<hi rend="italic">rounded</hi> on me?"—I made him no answer, and took him to the station—I next went to 5, or 6, Turk's-road, Chelsea—I found Carroll in bed there—I told him I wanted him for stealing some wine—he said, "I know who has told you; it is the old b——on the beat, "meaning the policeman; "I gave him some of the wine."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Harvey. Q.</hi> Why did not you take me before Thursday?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Because I had not sufficient evidence.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cornish. Q.</hi> When did you get the evidence against me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> On the Sunday morning, about half an hour before I took you.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, B</hi> 26). I was with Case when he took Cornish—he said, "I will tell you all about it; Porter had the two coats, and Harvey the umbrella"—he said he knew nothing about it himself—when Case took Harvey, he said he had got the wrong man—Porter asked who had
<hi rend="italic">rounded</hi> on him—Carroll said he had given the policeman some wine, and he had given him some gin—on the Sunday night before this I saw the four prisoners and another man together—I first saw them about 10, at the comer of White Lion-street, Chelsea, about two hundred yards from the church—I next saw them about half-past 12—the stranger was a little in the rear of the prisoners—I had known them before—I am positive the prisoners are the men—I saw them last at the corner of Turk's-row—B 118 was with me—I got this umbrella from the landlord of 13 1/2, Queen's—road, East.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-163" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES JENNER</persName> </hi>. I keep a lodging-house at 13 1/2, Queen's-road, East—Cornish, Harvey, and Porter were lodgers of mine on 10th and 11th July, and before that—Cornish left on the Wednesday morning—Harvey and Porter were taken from my house on Saturday night, the 15th—on the Friday night I went to put the gas on, and I saw Cornish's bed was not made as it should be—he slept in room No. 6—I examined the bed, and found this umbrella between the mattress and palliasse—I afterwards gave it up to Broker—about a fortnight before this, a small chisel was brought to me, and a day or two after Cornish said that the chisel was Porter's, and asked me to give it to him, which I did—no one had slept in the bed in which I found the umbrella since Cornish left.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-164" type="given" value="CHARLES ARTHUR"/>CHARLES ARTHUR GOOCH</persName> </hi>. I was lodging at this house on 12th July—I slept on the same floor as No. 6—on Thursday morning, 13th, about 7 o'clock, I heard a noise up stairs—heard Porter's voice—I think he was on the landing—I saw Cornish and spoke to him, and while doing so Porter came out of Cornish's room—I thought he was going to strike Cornish—he put himself in a fighting position—my impression is that he had two coats on at that time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Harvey. Q.</hi> Were you dressed or not?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was getting up when I heard the noise, and was partially dressed—I believe Cornish was dressed—I did not go out with a bundle and umbrella—I went out with Cornish, we left to prevent an outbreak occurring in the house—I thought Porter would have a
<hi rend="italic">raw</hi>—you followed us down White Lion-street, and you struck Cornish—I did not strike you or threaten you.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Porter. Q.</hi> Did you not bring four constables to the lodging-house, three weeks before and give me in custody for being 'a rogue.'
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, nor did I try to do so.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi> (to
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM BROKER</hi>).
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Gooch give Porter into your custody?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He called me about a fortnight before and said he wanted to give Porter into custody for assaulting him, and for being a rogue and a thief and trying to make Cornish one—I told Gooch he was drunk, and refused to interfere.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-165" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WATERS</persName> </hi>. I assist Mr. Jenner at his lodging-house—Cornish, Porter, and Harvey had been lodging there—their beds were not slept in on Wednesday night, the 13th—on Thursday morning I went to make their beds—about half-past 5 on that morning I heard a disturbance on the land
<lb/>ing—I heard Porter's voice, and asked him what time it was—he said "About a quarter past five"—I was in bed then—when I was making Porter's bed afterwards, I found two large wine bottles, full of something; tied up in a handkerchief, between the mattrass and the palliasse—I did not untie the handkerchief—I put them back—when Porter came up, I said to him, "Porter, I've
<hi rend="italic">sprung your plant</hi>"—he merely said, "Aye,"—as</p>
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<p>soon as ho went down again I found the bottles were gone; no need but him had been into the room—Harvey slept on the top floor—they slept in separate rooms.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cornish. Q.</hi> Is there any lock on the door of the room?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Porter. Q.</hi> Did you see me bring any wine into the house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I did not see you put it in the bed—you laid on the bed with your clothes on between 7 and 8 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Harvey landed in a paper, in which he stated that he was at Walsworth on the night of the robbery and knew nothing about it. Carroll stated that the Policeman gave him the wine, and that he was innocent of the robbery; and Porter stated that he knew nothing at all about the robbery.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.—
<hi rend="largeCaps">CARROLL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">also</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>**
<hi rend="italic">to a former conviction of felony in November, 1862, in the name of
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-166" type="given" value="JOHN"/>John Brown</persName>, Sentence Three Years</hi>,—
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<hi rend="italic">Seven Years' Penal Servitude.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Confined Twelve Months each.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
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<interp inst="t18650814-name-170" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL NORTH</persName> </hi>. I reside at 8, Brewer-street, Clerkenwell, and am errand boy to Mr. Redmond, gold-case maker, of Clerkenwell—about two weeks before Christmas I was taking a bag with a quantity of gold in it to the flatting mills—I was coming back with another boy named McMillan, I had the bag in my hand by a string—when we got to Market-street the prisoner came up and said, "What have you got here"—before I could answer him he cut the string of my bag—it was about 6 in the evening—he was with another man—they ran away together—I and McMillan ran after them, but did not catch them—about the middle of last June I was taken to the old-street Police-station—I was there shown ten men, and I picked the prisoner out from them—I am quite sure he is the man who robbed me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was it dark?
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