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<p>Sessions Paper.</p>
<p>HALE, MAYOR.</p>
<p>Short-hand Writers to the Court,</p>
<p>Law Publishers to the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty.</p>
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<p>On the Queen's Commission of</p>
<p>The City of London,</p>
<p>OF THE</p>
<p>Held on Monday, January 11th, 1865, and following days.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BEFORE THE RIGHT HON</hi>.
<hi rend="largeCaps">WARREN STORMES HALE, LORD MAYOR</hi> of the City of London; The Right Hon. Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">FREDERICK JONATHAN POLLOCK</hi>, Knt., Lord Chief Baron of Her Majesty's Court of Exchequer; the Hon. Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">GEORGE WILSHERE BRAMWELL</hi>, one other of the Barons of the said Court of Exchequer; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">COLIN BLACKBURN</hi>, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</hi>, Knt., Alderman of the said City;
<hi rend="smallCaps">RUSSELL GURNEY</hi>, Esq., Q.C., Recorder of the said City;
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS GABRIEL</hi>, Esq.;
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLIAM FERNELEY ALLEN</hi>, Esq.;
<hi rend="smallCaps">JAMES ABBISS</hi>, Esq.;
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-1" type="given" value="JAMES CLARKE"/>JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE</persName> </hi>, Esq.;
<hi rend="smallCaps">ANDREW LUSK</hi>, Esq.; and
<hi rend="smallCaps">DAVID HENRI STONE</hi>, Esq., Aldermen of the said City; and
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-2" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CHAMBERS</persName> </hi>, Esq., Q.C., Common Serjeant of the said City; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS DAKIN</hi>, Esq., Alderman.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-3" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT BESLEY</persName> </hi>, Esq., Alderman.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">SEPTIMUS DAVIDSON</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">HENRY DE JERSEY</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Under-Sheriffs.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">HALE, MAYOR. THIRD SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more titan once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">CAPITAL CONVICTION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">ESSEX CASE</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, January</hi> 11
<hi rend="italic">th, and Thursday, January</hi> 12
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Lord Chief Baron Pollock (with Mr. Justice Blackburn), and a Jury composed of six Englishmen and six foreigners.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">FERDINAND EDWARD KARL KOHL</hi> (26)</persName>, was indicted
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650111-142-offence-1 t18650111-name-5"/>Theodore Christian Fairhope</persName>. He was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the like murder.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>, with
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTTNE, MESSRS. HANNEN</hi> and
<hi rend="smallCaps">GIFFARD</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BUST</hi>, with
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HARRY PALMER</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">defended the prisoner.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-6" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH WARREN</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of James Warren, of 3, Nelson-street, Plaistow Marshes—I know the prisoner—he came to stay at our house about three mouths before last September—he was only a lodger—he slept with another man up stairs—I take in single men lodgers—he paid me 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a week for his board, lodging, and washing—he had not much clothes then, scarcely a second suit—he always paid me his rent when he fetched his money from his work—he was in work then at a sugar bakery—before that, he worked at Mr. Wagner's, a butcher's, but he was not lodging with me at that time—he came to lodge with me when he joined the sugar bakery—I knew from him that he had been at a butcher's—he left my house about the 20th September—he said he was going to Germany—after some little time, he returned—I don't know the date; it was on a Wednesday—he had been gone about a fortnight, as nigh as I can recollect—when he came back, he came in company with a young man—he brought him with him—he asked me if I could oblige this young man by taking him into my place, and he told me that he was a gentleman—I said, "Well,
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi>, if he is a gentleman, our place is only for poor men lodgers"—he called him "John"—he was a very handsome, nice-looking young man, a gentleman in every appearance—he was not much taller than Kohl, but a different made man altogether; he was very fair and slight, a gentleman built—I told the prisoner that my lodging was not fit for a person in that station—I ultimately agreed to take him in, and he came—after he had been with me some time, he asked me to take care of some things for him—it was six</p>
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<p>sovereigns, a silver watch, an Albert chain, a gold one, as I reckoned, it was a yellow one, a gold ring, and a neck-handkerchief ring with a piece of coral in the center—he also left a white pocket-handkerchief with me; that he returned for the next day—the prisoner was frequently with him after he came to lodge with me, inviting him out with him, two or three times a week perhaps, sometimes more; and if there was anything I could not understand, I used to go and fetch
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi> to tell me what he meant—the prisoner was not in work at that time—the deceased left me on the Monday, and came on the Tuesday for his things—it was just a month from the time he left me to his body being found—he owed me something at the time he left—I wanted fifteen shillings—he came with the prisoner on the Monday night for his things—there was an objection made to his paying so much—I charged 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and there was a balance of fifteen shillings—
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi> said that it was too much, and I kept his things that night in consequence of his declining to pay—on the following day, a man they called Butcher came, and fetched his things away, and paid me the money—when we were talking about the amount he owed me, the deceased told me in the prisoner's presence that he had four sovereigns and 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and if he changed the four sovereigns, he should not have sufficient money to go to New York—he said nothing about any other money—he asked if I would take the 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I said, "No, "and Kohl said he was a friend of his, and a dear friend—I saw him once after his things were fetched away—that was on the same day, the Tuesday, when he fetched pocket-handkerchief—I never saw him alive after that—(
<hi rend="italic">looking at several articles produced by Sergeant Clarke</hi>) I believe this to be the deceased' swatch and chain, and his portrait is in this locket—I believe this gold ring to be his—I don't know this gold handkerchief-ring; I have never sworn to it—it is not his handkerchief-ring—this is his pin; the ring I have not seen yet—I have examined the clothes—I am sure they are the same the deceased entrusted to my care—here are two pairs of shoes—these I do not know; these I do; and there was a pair of spring sides—this is a likeness of the young man (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I should know him by that—I am sure these things were his; his portmanteau was full of things—I helped to lift it once; it was perfectly full, and locked up, and his hat-box was sealed with three different seals, to go to New York, as he told me when he left my house.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was he a quiet, orderly person in the house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was a very nice young man—he was like other young gentlemen, he would go out and enjoy himself, but he was a very nice young man in the house; nothing at all out of the common, as to drinking or anything else.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long was the prisoner with you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He lodged with me three months—he was always a peaceable, quiet man—I never saw anything wrong of him in my house.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-7" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES WARREN</persName> </hi>. I am the husband of the last witness—I remember the deceased coming to lodge in my house—I afterwards saw the head that Was found in the Marshes, and identified it as his—I always knew him by the name of John while he lodged with me—I never saw him after he left my lodging—I was at home getting my supper when he came back on Monday night—there was a settlement of his account with my wife—I stood against door; I did not go into the room.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did he at any time give you some of his things to take care of?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> On Sunday evening, the 2d October, I was out with him for a walk, and he gave me six sovereigns and a watch to take care of for him, and he left me—he was along with a party, and I told him to mind where he was going to</p>
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<p>as he might, perhaps, have been along with a different party to what he thought—I had the things in my possession about two hours—this is the watch—this key he showed me on Monday, 3d October—it is a peculiar key; he explained the use of it to me—I know this to be the key.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-8" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA WHITMORE</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Frederick Whitmore—we occupied a back room in the prisoner's house, in Hoy-street—we went to lodge there on 11th October—we paid four shillings a week—I remember seeing the prisoner go out on Thursday morning, 3d November, about half-past 9 o'clock—the young man that they used to call John was with him, the young man who is now dead—the prisoner was dressed the same as usual, with a rough coat on and dark trousers—that was the only dress I ever saw him in—the deceased had on black trousers and a long overcoat—the coat was very dark, but I can't say whether it was black or not—he generally wore a little tie, and a turn-down collar—I did not notice whether he wore that on that morning—I did not notice how high the coat was buttoned—he generally wore it buttoned all up; but I do not remember how he wore it on that morning—he had a cap on his head—I next saw the prisoner at very near 3 o'clock—I heard him when he came in at 1, but I did not see him, only through the window—I saw him when he came in the hall, through the back parlour window—that was at 1 o'clock—he was then brushing his coat—he had his coat off—I was in the back parlour, and he was in the yard—I saw him through the window;—I saw that his coat was muddy—no other part of his dress was muddy that I saw—he stayed at home about a quarter of an hour—I did not speak to him at all during that time, or he to me—I saw him pass my door as he left the house—I next saw him a little before 3—he said he had been to look for the young man that he had missed, and. I asked him if he had found him—he said, "No"—he said he and the young man had been up to London, and he had missed him in the Commercial-road; that he went into a sugar-house, and left the young man outside—he did not say what sugar-house it was—he said it was a sugar-house in the Commercial-road—I asked him if he would go to Germany without the young man, as he had missed him—he said, yes, he would go; then he said he would wait two hours, and see if he came home before he would go—he then looked up at the clock, and said if he waited that time he should be too-late to go, as the boat went at half-past 5, and he would go at once and break open the young man's boxes—I said I thought the young man had missed him on purpose, because he had no money—Kohl said he had money, for he showed him 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. that morning—he then took a little poker out of the kitchen fire-place, and went up stairs with it—I did not go up with him; his wife's cousin did—he was in the kitchen, and Kohl said, "Some one come and see me break the boxes open, "and he was the only one that would go up—when the prisoner came down stairs again, he said he had broken the boxes open, and John would never come back, for all his things were gone—the prisoner did not go out again quite directly—he said he could not go to Germany then, for he had not got money enough—nothing more passed until he went out again, at a little past 4—he came back about 5—I noticed that he looked very ill when he came back, and I asked him if he had had any dinner that day—on the evening of that day he came to my door and said, "You know I was asking you about a knife I had missed in your room some time ago; here it is; I have found it in John's boxes;" and he showed it to me—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the knife—I had seen that knife before—the prisoner was putting up a roller with it in my room the day I went into the house—that was the first time I saw it—he showed it</p>
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<p>me again on the Thursday morning, and I saw him peeling an apple with it on the Sunday afternoon.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> On that Sunday night did you hear the prisoner ask your husband about being called?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He did not ask my husband particularly; he asked to be called, and my husband was present—he asked Mr. Wade; my husband heard him, and being up first, he called him—what the prisoner said was, would Mr. Wade call him when he got up in the morning—my husband an 1 Mr. Wade both got up at half-past 5, and whoever was up first called the other—I heard my husband call him on the Monday morning, about half-past 5—I heard him get up, and come down stairs and go out, I should think, about ten minutes after he had been called, as soon as my husband was gone—I saw him again between 7 and 8 that morning; he was then sitting at the kitchen table—I asked him if he had got the work he had been after—he said, yes, he had got it, but the gentleman had gone to Scotland, and would not be back for four days, and then he was going to work—I went to lodge at the prisoner's house on 11th October—during all the time I was there he had no work—they always seemed very poor—his wife has often said she wished he would get work, for she did not know what they should do if he did not—that was said in his presence.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You have said that when the prisoner left your house in company with John, on the morning of 3d November, he was dressed in dark clothes?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I can't say whether he had a shawl round his neck, or anything of that sort—ho generally wore a red worsted comforter round his neck—I can't say whether or not he had it on that morning—my atten
<lb/>tion was not particularly attracted to him when he was brushing his coat—I only looked out of the window, and saw him do it—I thought nothing at all about it at the time—I took no particular notice of what he was doing.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-9" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK WHITMORE</persName> </hi>. I am an engine-driver, and am the husband of the last witness—on the Sunday evening after the German was missing, the prisoner asked Mr. Wade, as we were going to bed, if he would be kind enough to call him in the morning—I called him at half-past 5 in the morning—he answered—after dinner on that Monday when I spoke to him, he said he had been down to the sugar-bakery to seek for employment—I asked him the reason he did not get it—he said the gentleman had gone to Scotland, and when he came back again he would go to work—that was the sugar
<lb/>bakery on the Plaistow-marshes, against the Victoria Dock.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-10" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN WADE</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Mr. Wade, a blacksmith—we lodged with the prisoner at 4, Hoy-street—I knew the young man called "John"—on the morning of 3d November, I saw the prisoner and John go out of the house together, about half-past 9 o'clock, as near as I can say—I did not see in what direction they went—the deceased had on a black coat, and the back of it was painted with red paint—he had a blue cloth cap on—I believe the prisoner had on a
<hi rend="italic">billy-cock</hi>, one of those round hats, and, I think, a mixture kind of a coat—the prisoner came home again about 1 o'clock that day—I let him in—I observed some mud on his clothes; the legs of his trousers, and the elbows of his coat, at the back—it was a clayey kind of mud—I have since been and seen the reed-bed—the mud on his coat was the same colour as that in the reed-bed—I believe the streets were dry at that time—I don't recollect exactly whether it was dry or wet weather—I said to the prisoner, "Good gracious,
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi>, where have you been to in the mud?"—he said that he had got it in a butcher's cart—he went through into the back yard, and brushed his clothes—I saw him take a brush out of the coal-cupboard, and go out to brush them—he asked me where his wife</p>
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<p>was—I told him she had gone out to the mangle—I asked him where John was—lie said he had left him outside of the sugar bakery—he did not say what sugar bakery—he did not say anything more to me then—he remained in, I should say, about twenty minutes, not longer—I saw him go out again—he said he was going out to look after John—he returned about 3 or half-past—I asked him if he had found John—he said, "No"—I asked him if he would go to Germany if John did not come back, and he said, "Yes"—he said if John was not home in two hours, he should go and break his boxes open—the prisoner's wife said, "If you wait so long as that you will be too
<lb/>late to go; "and he said he would not wait another minute, he would go and break them open—he took his cousin, Mr. Skeldon, up stairs with him, and went and broke them open—I did not go up with him—John's room was upstairs—he remained upstairs about ten minutes—I saw him when he came down—ho said John would never come back, as all his clothes were gone—I asked him if he was going to Germany—he said no, he could not go, because ho had got no money—he went out after that—he came home again about 5 o'clock—he looked very bad when he came home then—his face looked pale, and his eyes were sunk in his head—this chopper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) belongs to my husband—we had had it in the house for some time—I had lent it to the prisoner—ho used to have it to chop wood with—he bad it shortly before 3d November—I can't say the exact day that I lent it to him—he had it some days before that—I got it back from him on the Friday morning; I mean the Friday after Thursday the 3d, after the deceased was missing—this red point at the top was not there when I lent it to the prisoner—I went out and asked him for the chopper on the Friday, and he took it up off the fender and gave it to me, and said he had painted it becaues it was loose in the handle, and it would "keep it on tight—he did not say that in answer to any question of mine; I only asked him for it, and then he told me he had painted it—I did not lend it to him again after that; lie never had it after—I have had it ever since, and gave it up to the police—I saw this knife (
<hi rend="italic">the one produced</hi>) in Mrs. Kohl's possession on the Sunday—she was cutting up a fowl with it—I am clear about that knife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You say you lent the prisoner the chopper some days previous to the Friday when he gave it back again?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I am quite sure I did not see the chopper between the time I lent it to him and his returning it—I am sure I never saw it—I recollect the Wednesday before 3d November—I can't say with certainty that I did not see him with it on that day; I cannot say exactly the day I lent it to him—I did not see the chopper on the Wednesday—I did not see him paint it on the Wednesday—I never saw him paint it at all; I am quite certain about that.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-11" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH SKELDON</persName> </hi>. I live at 4, Nelson-street, Plaistow-marshes—I am the cousin of the prisoner's wife—I was at his house on 3d November—between 3 and 5 o'clock in the afternoon I saw him there—he said that John had gone to London, and he would not come back again, because he had taken all his things with him—he asked me to go up stairs with him to break the boxes open—he had said that he had taken his things with him before he asked me to go up stairs; I am sure about that—I went up stairs with him; he had a small poker; he broke open the boxes—there were two boxes—there were only a few collars, an old pair of trousers, and an old shirt in them—that was all in the two boxes—the prisoner pulled a knife out of one of the boxes, and said that John had stolen it of him, and put it in his box—it was a similar knife to this produced but I cannot swear to it—I don't know what became of it—I did not see what the prisoner did with it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-12" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY LEES</persName> </hi>. I work at Plaistow-wharf, and lodge in Hoy-street, at the house of a person named Zilch—I know the prisoner; I also knew the de
<lb/>ceased—on the morning of 3d November I saw the prisoner and the deceased with him—they were walking towards the reed bed on the bank of the River Thames—I know the spot where the body was afterwards found—there is a path along the embankment—they were on that path—(
<hi rend="italic">looking at a plan</hi>)—they were going in a direction from Hoy-street towards the reed bed—they were on the path of the river bank—I have since visited the spot were the body was found—I know the creek—there is a stile as you go from Plaistow
<lb/>wharf towards the spot where the body was found—I see Plaistow-wharf marked upon this plan—I know a place called Corry's-hut—they were going from Plaistow-wharf to the other side of Corry's-hut—they were nearer to the reed bed than to Hoy-street when I first saw them—they had not passed Corry's-hut when I saw them—they had not got as far as the stile—at the end of Plaistow-wharf there is a turning that goes round to the left, and I lost sight of them there—when I first saw them they were between the sugar-bakery and Plaistow-wharf, walking in the direction of the reed bed, and when I last saw them they had got to the end of Plaistow-wharf—I was at work at Plaistow-wharf at the water-side—it was about 10 o'clock in the morning that I saw them—it might have been five minutes before 10, or it might have been five minutes after 10; it was near upon 10—I never saw the de
<lb/>ceased alive after that—I next saw the prisoner the same evening after I left work, about half-past 4 o'clock, at Zulch's, No. 2, Hoy-street, where I was lodging—I spoke to him—he spoke to me first—he said he had missed the young man, John, who had lodged with him; that they had both been up to London; that he (
<hi rend="italic">the prisoner</hi>) went into the sugar-house, and left John outside, and when he came out John had gone—he did not say what sugar-house—I said in reply, "I saw you and John this morning down on the banks of the River Thames"—the prisoner made no observation upon that.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How near were you to these persons when you saw them?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think about fifty yards; fifty or sixty yards—I was at work at the time, rolling barrels of oil—I kept on with my work—I made a re
<lb/>mark to the young man who was working with me at the time—I said, "There goes two Germans who goes into Henry's, "meaning my landlord's—and the young man said, "Oh! is it?"—my landlord is a German—he has not had a great number of German friends coming to visit him; not while I was there—there is a sugar-bakery down in this neighbourhood—I don't know that a great number of Germans work there—I never worked there; I think I have seen three more Germans at Zulch's, beside the prisoner and the deceased.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HANNEN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say you have seen some other Germans?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I knew them.; they came to Zulch's—the prisoner also came to Zulch's—it was not one of the other Germans I have spoken of, that I saw walking along towards the reed bed.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-13" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-13" type="given" value="THOMAS WILLIAM"/>THOMAS WILLIAM HUDSON</persName> </hi>. I am a labourer—on the morning of Thurs
<lb/>day, 3d November, I was on the river bank within six yards of Corry's-hut, walking towards Woolwich—it was from 10 o'clock to a quarter-past 10—I saw the prisoner and the deceased that morning—they passed me on my right-hand side; I had seen them in company before—they were going in the same direction as me, towards Woolwich; towards the reed bed—as near as I could judge, I should suppose they were about 150 yards from the be
<lb/>ginning of the reed bed at the time they passed me—I was going to Silver-town</p>
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<p>to see a foreman, to see if I could get a job, and went across the meadow to get into the main road—I left the path on which they were walking, and lost sight of them.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-14" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-14" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-14" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY ZULCH</persName> </hi>. I am a German, and am a shoemaker—I have known the prisoner for some time, I cannot say how long—I knew him when he was with Wagner, the butcher—I can't say how long ago it is—I live at No. 2, Hoy-street—the prisoner lived at No. 4—I knew the young man Fuhrhop, who was called John—I never heard his name; he lodged with me four nights—he slept at my house, and got his meals from Kohl—that was after he had left Mrs. Warren's; the first four nights after that he slept in-doors with me—after he left me, he went to lodge with Kohl—I used to see him sometimes after that, and I saw Kohl sometimes; I saw them together sometimes—I recollect the Thursday in question—I don't know the date; it was the day the young roan was missed—I saw him and Kohl together on the day before that—the deceased was in-doors with me, and he asked me if I could do anything to his Wellington boots that he had on, as he should like to go on Thursday to Germany—Kohl was in-doors that Wednesday; he fetched Fuhrhop first to dinner, and afterwards to tea—I saw the prisoner on the Thursday, the day Fuhrhop was missed, about 12 or half-past 12 o'clock; he came to my house—he told me he had lost the young man up in London—he said he was at an iron sugar-house in the Commercial-road—I know that iron sugar-house; I can't tell how far it is from my house—he said he had gone into the sugar-house to ask for work, and told the young man he must wait in a public-house for him; that he came out of the sugar-house, and when he went to the public-house, the young man was gone—I asked him whether the young man had got money—he said he had got 4
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in his pocket—I said, "Perhaps some girl met him, and perhaps he spent the money with her"—Kohl said if he had gone and spent his money, he would tarn him out of doors when he came home in the evening—he said he owed him four week's rent; that was 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said he had lent him a ha'-penny to go over the iron bridge; that he would not change the, 4
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. because that was the money he had got to go over to Germany with—Kohl, his wife, and Fuhrhop were all three to go to Germany together—he said he lent him a ha' penny, that be might not have to change the 4
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and that he (Kohl) was short of money—the iron bridge he spoke of is an iron bridge that goes from the Victoria Dock to Poplar—I cannot say how far that is from the iron sugar-bakery—I could walk from my house to the iron bridge perhaps in ten minutes; it leads from the Victoria-dock to London—you have to pay a happen to go over it—Kohl came in on the Thursday evening, about 4 or half-past 4; we spoke together, but I cannot say what we talked about—I saw the body some time afterwards, when it was discovered, and recognised it as the body of Fuhrhop—I saw the body, and also the head—there was a pair of black trousers and a pair of boots on the body when I saw it—I was able to recognise the boots as those that had been worn by Fuhrhop—he wore the left cot inside; I observed that—he had asked me if I could do anything to it, and I could swear those were the same boots—I recognised them as those I had been asked to mend.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> When the prisoner came to your house the second time, between 4 and half-past, did he make any inquiries of you about Fuhrhop?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; we spoke of Fuhrhop; I cannot say what wo spoke; he did not ask me if I had seen Fuhrhop again; he did not say anything about that.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-15" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-15" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-15" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM JACKSON</persName> </hi>. I live at 8, Nelson-terrace—I keep a fancy repository,</p>
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<p>and also a greengrocer's shop—I recollect Saturday, 5th November—I saw the prisoner between 7 and 8 o'clock that evening—I had known him before—he purchased two cabbages, and gave me a shilling in payment—he took it from his right-hand pocket; it was loose—when he put his hand in his pocket to pay for the cabbages, he drew from it a handful of money—there was gold, silver, and a very few coppers with it; judging from what I could see, I should say there were five or six sovereigns, besides silver—I said to him at the time, that if I had as much money as that, I should have a glass—he shook his shoulders, and passed the remark that he was going to Germany on the following Tuesday, and when he came back he should open a beershop—I gave him change for his shilling, and so the interview ended.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you known him before that day?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-16" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-16" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-16" type="surname" value="HARRIS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-16" type="given" value="MATILDA"/>MATILDA HARRIS</persName> </hi> I am the wife of William Harris, of 2, Matilda-terrace Hoy-street—I keep a general shop—I know the prisoner—he came into my shop one Saturday evening—I don't remember whether it was the 5th or the Saturday before—it was the evening that Mrs. Frauklin came in—he asked me for change for a sovereign—I told Mr. Harris, who was sitting in the parlour, and he gave him the change at my request, and took a sovereign for it—I was serving Mrs. Franklin—I can't say the time exactly, I believe I lit the gas while he was in the shop, it was somewhere between 5 and 6 I suppose.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you know him before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I had not seen him above twice before, I think—he had been in my shop twice before.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I believe your husband is subject to epileptic fits?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, he is; but he is outside.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-17" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-17" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-17" type="surname" value="FRANKLIN"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-17" type="given" value="EMMA"/>EMMA FRANKLIN</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Franklin, of 3, Arthur-street—I was in Mrs. Haris's shop one Saturday evening—it was the night of Gun powder treason, the 5th of November—I remember the prisoner coming in for change of a sovereign—I knew him before as a neighbour—I saw the change given him.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-18" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-18" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-18" type="surname" value="WILLIAMS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-18" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH WILLIAMS</persName> </hi>. I am a boiler-maker, and reside at 8, Hoy-street—in September lost I became acquainted with the prisoner—he was then lodging at Mrs. Warren's, he was then employed at a sugar bakery—he requested permission to pay his addresses to my sister; he became engaged to her, and ultimately married her on 2nd October last—before the marriage he went over to Germany—he said he was going to bring money and property to England to marry my sister—he was away between a fortnight and three week—he came back on a Thursday and he was married on the Sunday, 2nd October—when he came back he brought with him a young man by the name of John—I don't know that he said who the young man was, no more than he said he was John, and that he had brought him from Germany—he did not say what his business was, but the deceased told me that he was something in the merchant line, and he also told me that he was about going to New York—he did not say in my hearing where he had come from, but I believe he came from Hamburgh—the prisoner said they had known one another from childhood, and that their mothers had known one another from their infancy or for years—what he brought back with him from Germany was such as two small feather beds, a basket of apples, and two canaries in cages, and such trifling things as that; if he brought any money with him it was very little: the only money I ever saw with him was a sovereign, which he changed to pay for the marriage lines on 2nd October: that was the only coin of English money that I ever saw him with—the</p>
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<p>prisoner and my Sister went to Sheerness immediately after their marriage—they were away from the Sunday till the Tuesday night—when they came back they came to my mother's house—they remained there, I think, till the Tuesday of the following week—they then went to No. 4, Hoy-street—that was the house where the prisoner was taken from—what I have just now stated was all the furniture the prisoner brought—my mother lent my sister some money, and she bought the rest of the furniture that they had in Poplar, to the matter of very nearly 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if not quite 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—she lent them 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. if solid money from the Post-office bank, besides other minor sums, amounting to very nearly 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the prisoner borrowed a portion of money from my brother at Sheerness to pay their fare back; my brother told me so—the prisoner was not at work after the marriage—he never did a day's work since the marriage—on Saturday, 15th October last, he showed me the ticket of a watch, and said John had given him the watch to pawn to buy victuals with—I saw the prisoner pretty well every day after the marriage down to the time of the body being found—I saw John on the Wednesday night, the 2nd, before he was lost on the Thursday, and they made preparations to go to Hamburgh—after the prisoner had been appre
<lb/>hended I went to see him in gaol—the last time I saw him at ilford I asked him what he wanted—he told me I was to fetch my cousin Bill—I asked him what for—he said, "He was with me on the Thursday"—I said "No, he was not with you at all—then he said, "He must Bay so."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> The prisoner and the deceased were very good friends were they not?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I always thought so—I know they went out together and pawned things sometimes at pawn-shops together—when I saw the prisoner at ilford gaol I can't say whether he was depressed in spirits and melancholy—I could not see him exactly' because of the wires—I only saw him, through the wires for about three minutes the last time I saw him—that was when he spoke about my cousin Bill—he spoke broken English and spoke quickly, because the keeper of the gaol was going to and fro—I can speak positively to the exact words he used; if I was going to die this moment he said that, in the very same language that I have used to-day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HANNEN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you ever with the prisoner or deceased when any things were pawned?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I am always at work—I know of things being pawned, because my sister told me so, and I can rely on her word—she told me they had gone out together without money in their pockets and came home together with money and victuals in their hands.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-19" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-19" type="surname" value="COOPER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-19" type="given" value="MARY JANE"/>MARY JANE COOPER</persName> </hi> I am the wife of George Cooper, of 22, Francis-street, Plaistow—I have known the prisoner about eight months—I saw him on Monday, 7th November last, on the River Thames bank—I believe it was half-past 3 o'clock—I stood very nigh the stile on the river bank, and
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi> was jumping the ditch—there are three stiles, two before you come to the reed bed—we were against the second stile, and
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi> was jumping across the ditch against the third stile—there are two stiles close together—we were near the first of those two stiles, the one nearest to London—by
<hi rend="italic">Charley</hi> I mean the prisoner—he was jumping from the reed bed—there is a ditch that divides the reed bed from the bank upon which we were walking—it was that ditch that he was jumping over—he passed me and crossed down the bank and went in the direction of the graving dock across the fields—my sister Mary Cooper was with me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you meet any one else that evening?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; there were several persons on the bank—I did not know them that I am aware of.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-20" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-20" type="surname" value="COOPER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-20" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY COOPER</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Henry Cooper, of 22, Francis-street, Plaistow—I was with my sister on 7th November last—we had come from the sugar bake house towards Silvertown—I know the reed bed quite well—I saw the prisoner come out of the reed bed and jump across the ditch to the bank to go towards Silvertown—I should say it was about half-past 3 o'clock as nigh as I can guess—the sun was just setting.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> When were you first asked about giving your evidence as to who you bad seen that evening?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I can't say when I was first asked; it was just before they came up here, a month ago—I did not give evidence before the magistrate or before the coroner—my attention was called to this before the case was sent here, at the station; I don't know the name of the place, I am a stranger in the place.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you go before the magistrate although you were not called?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was called, but I was not up here before—my sister was examined both before the magistrate and before the coroner, but I was not called in—it was on Tuesday, after the 7th, that I heard of the body being found.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-21" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-21" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-21" type="surname" value="HARVEY"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-21" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD HARVEY</persName> </hi>. I am an apprentice to a shipwright at Poplar—on Tuesday, 8th November, I went to the reed-bed near Plaistow-marshes, along with Mr. Gaster and a lot more, shooting birds—I went into the reed-bed; I had no gun—I found there the body of a man without any head; it I was I who found it first—there is a little creek going into the reed-bed from the Thames, and a path near that (
<hi rend="italic">looking at the plan</hi>)—I see it marked here—I found the body about fifty yards from the bank, and about ten yards from the footpath, which goes through the reed-bed—it was on the left-hand side as you go down, further down the river than the creek—the body was among the reeds; it was lying on its back, with the left hand on the breast—there was only a pair of trowsers and a pair of Wellington boots on it, and his shirt was half off his body; it was only a part of a shirt—when I came out of the reed-bed I told the other men, and they went in, and Mr. Gaster went for a police-constable.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-22" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-22" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-22" type="surname" value="GASTER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-22" type="given" value="JOSIAH"/>JOSIAH GASTER</persName> </hi>. I am a ship-joiner, at 7, Grundy-place, Poplar—I was out on 8th November with Harvey shooting birds—Harvey went into the reeds, and called my attention to something—I went in and found the body of a man, lying without its head—we did not touch the body at all—I went I and fetched police-sargeant Bridgland—after he came the pockets were searched.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-23" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-23" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-23" type="surname" value="BRIDGLAND"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-23" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BRIDGLAND</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, K</hi> 65). On the afternoon of 8th November I was informed of the body having been found in the reed-bed—I went down and found it lying in the reed-bed; it might be about fifty or a hundred feet from the river bank, and about twelve feet from the path leading down to the river—it was dressed in a pair of black trousers, Wellington boots, and a small piece of a shirt with the letters"0. B. 6"in ink—the portion of shirt was on the side; the left arm—I searched the pockets, and found a farthing and a small piece of paper—the body was lying on its back, with the legs quite straight—the right arm was lying over the chest, and the left was lying down by the side, with the hand extended—I observed the condition of the neck where the head had been severed from the body—there was a dent in the earth, apparently where the back of the head had been—small pieces of bone were lying by the neck, and a small portion of brain—the flesh had been eaten all round the bone, apparently by rats—the body appeared quite fresh, but there was no blood, or scarcely any—I had the body removed to the Graving Dock Tavern—I took the prisoner in custody that day at</p>
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<p>half-past 11 o'clock at night, at the Plaistow police-station—after the charge was read over to him he said, "I well know where I was on that," and there he finished—on 10th November I went to examine the place round about where the body had been found, and forty-five feet from where it was found I saw a quantity of blood, mixed with water, in a ditch.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where was that, on the path or in the reed-bed among the reeds?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was at the side of the path.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HANNEN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What sort of place was it where you found the blood?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was at the side of the path—the path is made up there on account of its being very dirty, for the people to walk towards the shore—on one side it is about two feet from the top of the path, and on the other side it is not more than about one foot—the spot where I found the blood was on the deep side, the side next the reed-bed—I am speaking of the path that leads through the reeds to the river—the reed-bed extends on both sides of it—about the same distance from where I found the blood I found this handle (
<hi rend="italic">producing it</hi>)—it is the handle of a hammer or hatchet—I found that on the same day that I found the pool of blood—on Sunday, 13th, my attention was called to a spot by the witness Atkins, where he found a knife; it was twenty-two feet from where the knife was found to where the body was found—it was further from the path where the body was found, more to wards the outside of the reeds; the reeds are not so high there, not more than about four or five feet—it was towards the outside, where there is rather more grass than reeds—when I speak of the outside, I mean towards the river—there is a mangold-wurzel bank between the river and the reeds—I could see the spot where the body was found from the spot where the knife was found—I took possession of various articles, which were found on the prisoner's premises; I had them for some time, and then delivered them to Sergeant Clarke—there was a deal-box containing a railway-rug with a strap—I have a list of the articles found—in the portmanteau there was a rice
<lb/>straw hat, a hat-brush, an album with some portraits, 4 copy-books, a shirt, 4 pairs of wristbands, 17 linen collars, 4 pairs of cotton socks, 4 small neckties and 3 large, and a letter-stamp with German characters on it, I don't know what they were; they are here; 6 small printed books, some old postage-stamps, a small looking-glass, a grey overcoat, a pair of old slippers, a hair-brush, a cigar-case, a cheque for 200 marks, a leather purse, and a medal—I also found on a shelf in the kitchen a pair of spectacles, a pair of images, a tobacco-pipe, 2 hat-boxes with hats in them, and 2 small round hats—I received a pair of shoes on the morning of 12th November from a witness—I also received some parcels of clothes from Mr. Darlow's, the pawnbroker's; Sergeant Clarke has them—I gave them to him—I took Mrs. Warren to the shop.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Tell me as nearly as possible whereabouts you found that wooden handle.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About forty-five feet from where I found the blood.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-24" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-24" type="surname" value="RICHABDSON"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-24" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM RICHABDSON</persName> </hi>. I am the landlord of the Graving Dock Tavern, North Woolwich-road—about 3 o'clock on the afternoon of 8th November, when I returned home, I found the body of the deceased lying in my out house—it had been brought there by the police—about half-past 4 that same afternoon I saw the prisoner; he was outside the house, about five yards from the door, standing in conversation with some other parties that were there—I went out to him and asked if he had not missed a friend of his—he said he had—I asked him where—he said in Ratcliff-highway; whether he said that he stopped to speak to a friend in the Highway, or whether he said</p>
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<p>the deceased did so, I can't say—I asked him what time he left home—he said they left home at a quarter to 10 in the morning—I asked him if he had made any inquiry about him—he said, "No, I have not"—I asked him to go through the house with me to look at the body of the deceased; it had been recognised at that time by a man named Warren—I did not tell the prisoner whether it had been recognised or not—when I asked him to come through the house and look at it, he said he did not like to look at such sights as those—I said if I had missed on a friend I should be glad to go and see if I could recognise him—he then went through the house with me—the body was covered up in canvass—the first thing I showed the prisoner was the boots—he said those were not the boots that John went away with him in; he said he had a pair of shoes with three lace-holes in them—I then un
<lb/>covered the trousers, and showed him the trousers—he said he believed them to be the trousers of his friend, the deceased—I then covered up the trousers and the boots with the canvass, and then uncovered the body and the bands—I pointed out to him where the first blow had been struck in the neck; it was within about the sixteenth of an inch of being through—directly he saw that he made a turn and took himself to the wall, to take him self away from the body altogether—I said, "From your appearance I think you know something of this affair"—he had become deadly pale—I had shown the body to other parties previously, but saw no one to resemble the same countenance as the prisoner—I put my right hand on his right shoulder, and told him I should apprehend him on suspicion of being concerned in the murder—he dropped his hands and fell against the wall; he never made any reply at all—I then brought him through the house and called police-constable Wills, K 82, and directed him not to lose sight of him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You say he was standing outside your house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I believe the body bad been there about half an hour before I arrived home—there were several persons standing outside the house besides him, a great many, talking over the affair—the body was in the same state when I showed it to him as when it was brought to the house; nothing had been touched; it was dirty and bloody, the hands and other parts eaten away by the rats—it was a frightful spectacle—he seemed very much affected by the sight.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-25" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-25" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-25" type="surname" value="WILLS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-25" type="given" value="FRANCIS"/>FRANCIS WILLS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police-constable K</hi> 82). I was on duty at North Wool-wich-road on the afternoon when the body was found—I went into a shed with the prisoner—Mr. Richardson, the last witness, was there at the same time—he said if he was me he would keep an eye over that man—I went away with the prisoner—I went from the Graving Dock Tavern to No. 4, Hoy-street, the prisoner's house, and remained in the house—the prisoner was in my sight during the whole time I remained there—I was in the back kitchen—he remained there while I was there—Inspector Nightingale came and apprehended him there.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-26" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-26" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-26" type="surname" value="HOWIE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-26" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL HOWIE</persName> </hi>. I am a superintendent of police—on the evening of 8th November I went to the prisoner's house—I asked him if there was a young German man missing from his house—he said there was—I asked him how long he had been missing—he told me since the previous Thursday—he also told me that he had made the acquaintance of this young man in a recent passage from Hamburgh to London—I asked him when he last saw him, and he told me about 1 o'clock on the previous Thursday; that they had gone out together in the morning to the London Docks to look for a ship, and they could not see the kind of ship they wanted; from the London Docks they had gone to a sugar bakery in the Commercial-road, which he de
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<p>as being at the west end of the Commercial-road; that while he had gone in to the sugar bakery he left his friend outside, and on his return into the street he had gone away, and he had not seen him since—he also told me that the deceased wan was without money, and his expression was that he bad not one halfpenny; he mentioned that two or three times—I asked if he had been to the Graving Dock Tavern to see the body—he told me he had—I asked if he could identify it as the body of the missing man—he said that it had no head and he could not say—I then questioned him with re
<lb/>gard to the clothes, and he told mo the trousers were like those of the missing man—I then consulted with Inspector Nightingale, who was with me, and by my direction he took the prisoner away, with his wife, to have another look at the body—I also told Mr. Nightingale to bring him back to the police-station, not to part from him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> When he told you about having missed his friend did he speak to you calmly and quietly!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, perfectly so.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-27" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-27" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-27" type="surname" value="JONES"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-27" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES JONES</persName> </hi> I am a lighterman—on the morning of 9th November I went to the reed bed to do my work—I did not go to search for the head—I saw a hole with fresh blood on it, a rat's hole—I called Mr. Goode and showed him the hole, and I saw him dig the head out of that hole.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-28" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-28" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-28" type="surname" value="GOODE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-28" type="given" value="GEORGE RICHARD"/>GEORGE RICHARD GOODE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Thames Police-Inspector</hi>). I went to the reed bed on 9th November, about half-past six in the morning, to search for the head of the body that had been found—I was searching for about an hour and half—I met the last witness Jones about half-past 7 near the spot—he called my attention to a hole in the ground where blood could be seen; it ap
<lb/>peared to be a rat's hole—I removed the earth and found the head of a man, which I dug up and afterwards conveyed to the Graving Dock Tavern, and gave it in charge of K 82, who had charge of the body—the earth round the hole appeared to have been trampled down as if by a foot, but no im
<lb/>pression of the heel was left.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-29" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-29" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-29" type="surname" value="MORRIS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-29" type="given" value="EDWARD JOHN"/>EDWARD JOHN MORRIS</persName> </hi>. I am a surgeon in Barking-road, Plaistow—on the morning of 8th November I was sent for to see the dead body of a man about half-past 11, at the Graving Dock Tavern—the body had no head at that time—I found the muscular fibers of the neck all eaten away, appa
<lb/>rently by the rats; the clavicles and vertebrae were laid bare—the cervical vertebrae had been severed as if by a chopper or some sharp instrument—there had been an attempt to sever the vertebrae a little lower down, but it had only partially succeeded—there were several incisions on the skin at the front part of the neck, partially dividing the skin—a knife or some sharp in
<lb/>strument had been used in the first place, and there had been several at
<lb/>tempts made to divide the skin, as if it had been done by an instrument that was not very sharp—the instrument was sharp enough to divide the skin and muscles, after several attempts being made to do it—two instru
<lb/>ments had decidedly been used, a knife or an instrument of that kind, and a hatchet or chopper or some heavy instrument, I mean an instrument of the kind produced—the body was eaten by rats in different parts; the skin and part of the muscular fibre of the left shoulder were eaten away, and also two places on the right arm, and the flesh from both hands was gnawed away, but more extensively from the left—I did not discover any marks of vio
<lb/>lence upon the body except those I have spoken of about the neck.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Could you judge from the appearance of the body how long it had been dead!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—taking into consideration the state of the weather, being dry and cold, it might have been dead four or five days—on the next day, the 9th, the head was shown to me—it was covered with dirt—a clayey</p>
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<p>mud—I gave directions to have it washed, I afterwards examined it that same evening—I found part of the right check and some portion of the scalp eaten away—I found an extensive wound at the hack of the head—on the left side was a fracture of the occipital bone; there was a fracture of the angle of the left jaw and laceration of the left ear—there were two fractures of the frontal bone, one on the right and the other on the left side; the one on the right side was done apparently by a chopper or hatchet and the one on the left side by a hammer or some similar instrument, a blunt instru
<lb/>ment—that was the external examination—on the 11th I made a further examination of the head and body, and, in addition to the injuries I have already described, I found a very extensive fracture of the left temporal bone—that would be done by a blunt instrument—such wounds would cause death—two of the wounds were inflicted by a sharp instrument and two by a blunt one—this chopper is a weapon that would produce both kinds of injuries—in my judgment all the wounds I saw on the head could be inflicted by that instrument.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Having spoken of the body and of the head, can you give any opinion as to whether that head had been cut off at the time of the murder, when the body was warm, or subsequently, after the body was cold.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Can you say how long after!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I could not say how long after, but in my judgment it was decidedly out off after the body had been cold some time, from the appearances—there was no muscular contrac
<lb/>tivity; the skin did not contract or the muscles either, which would be the case if cut off warm; it would be at least some hours after.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You made an examination of the body; was it otherwise generally healthy?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Perfectly healthy.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-30" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-30" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-30" type="surname" value="LETHEBY"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-30" type="given" value="HENRY"/>DR. HENRY LETHEBY</persName> </hi>. I am a professor of chemistry—I was consulted upon this matter, and had the hatchet that has been produced handed over to me—I examined it by such tests and means as I possess—I found on this broken part of the edge a small quantity of brownish matter, which I re
<lb/>moved and submitted to examination under the microscope—I have it here in the same state in which it was when I removed it—I found some fibres of cotton and also some fibres of wool, some of which were dyed of a red colour, and one of the fibres of cotton was dyed with magenta red—those fibres were bound together with a brownish matter, mixed with rust of iron; the nature of that brownish matter I could not determine; it must have been liquid originally, for the fibres were bound together by it—I also found there some of the epithelium or surface skin of the human body; it was altogether mixed with this clot.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> With regard to that clot, were you able at this distance of time to discover whether it was human blood or not!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> If it had not undergone what may be termed an artificial coagulation, that is, coagulation by the agency of heat, I could have determined that point, but it was a brown matter, such as any blood would be coagulated artificially, and I could not determine the nature of it under these circumstances—the piece of skin I speak of was very minute, but still it was very marked—there are, I should say, at least thirty scales of epithelium here.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Can you distinguish the scales of the epithelium of the human body from any other?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, the epithelium of the human body is very marked—I ascertained this to be human skin, I have no doubt about it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you then remove the handle from</p>
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<p>the hatchet!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did, it was very firmly fixed, so much so that I had the greatest difficulty in removing it—I did not perceive any motion in it; it was very tightly fixed—at the time I saw it it had on it the paint that is there now—it is now in the same state, with the exception that at that time it was not broken around the edge between the wood and the hatchet, it was then perfect—I should say the paint had no effect whatever in tighten
<lb/>ing the handle; there was no paint between the hatchet and the handle.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was the brownish matter you speak of the same sort of thing as the paint!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, there is a great deal of difference between the colour of the paint and the other—I have examined the paint—the brownish matter was here, where this broken notch is (
<hi rend="italic">pointing it out</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I think you say you took the handle out and found no traces of paint below the surface!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A little had soaked in, but there was no trace of the wood having been covered with paint when the blade was out, nor could I find any blood there—I have had some clothes delivered to me by Sergeant Clarke—(
<hi rend="italic">looking at the prisoner's coat produced by Clarke</hi>)—I examined this coat, and cut a piece from the lower part of the left skirt, a portion of which I have examined chemically, by solution in water—the other portion is here untouched—the result was that it was a blood spot, a stain of blood—it was about the size of a sixpence—I should think it would have covered the whole surface of a sixpence, or very nearly—you can see where I cut it out, it is rather larger than a sixpence—there were other stains on the coat, but I could not find any other blood stain.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you able to say whether that blood spot was human blood!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I cannot say positively as to that; it had all the characteristics of human blood—the blood of many other animals is like human blood—it was not the blood of a reptile, or of a bird, or a fish.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What kind of analysis did you make!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> In the first place a portion of the surface of the cloth was scraped off on glass and examined under the microscope—it was observed that the blood had coagulated upon the fibres, and that the coagulation was of that kind which we call living coagulation; that is, that the blood had coagulated by a living process upon the cloth.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You mean shortly after it bad left the body!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Shortly after—blood immediately removed from the living animal coagulates by a spontaneous process—the coagulation had gone on upon the cloth—the micro
<lb/>scope does not discover albumen—the coagulation was fibrinous, not albuminous—the living coagulation is by fibrine, not albumen—the piece of cloth was then put into a test tube with a few drops of water, and I obtained a solu
<lb/>tion of blood which, contained the colouring matter of blood, not bleachable by common processes—it was tried with chlorine, which will bleach almost any other colour, but will not blood—it was then subjected to heat, and I found that it contained soluble albumen which was thus coagulated—those are the characteristics which enabled me to speak very positively that it was blood, and that it was living blood.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> But you could not say whether it was human blood!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> From the measurement of the globules, they were about the same size as the human, about the four thousandth part of an inch, but as many animals have the same sized globules I cannot undertake to say it was human blood.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were there any stains of paint on the coat!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not on the coat—I examined the waistcoat: on the front part, a little above the pocket on the right side I found a spot, which, from exami
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<p>in the same way, I discovered to be blood, and living blood—I mean it must have been there within a quarter of an hour after it escaped from the body.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long does blood live!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not a quarter of an hour, it will then set, and then it will undergo no further process of living coagulation.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were there spots of paint on the waist-coat?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I found paint on the back of the waistcoat of exactly the same description as that on the top of the chopper, and also on the lower and out
<lb/>side part of the left leg of the trousers—that on the waistcoat appeared to have been smeared as if rubbed over something, the other appeared to be splashes—I was not able to discover whether there was anything underneath the coating of paint on the hatchet or on the clothes—I submitted all these to careful examination, and I did not discover, where the paint was, any signs of blood—I expected to be able to do so—I removed a portion of this, thinking that as oil paint is not soluble in water, I should be able to get at it in that way, but I did not find any blood on the top of the chopper.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> There were not many spots of blood, I think, on the clothes, were there!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Only two that I could find, on the front left side of the coat and on the right side of the waistcoat pocket—each of them was about the size of a sixpence—the one on the coat was perhaps a little larger.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-31" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-31" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-31" type="surname" value="WADE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-31" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN WADE</persName> </hi>. I am the husband of the witness who has been examined—this chopper is my property—this is the original handle to it—I fitted it in myself—it has been turned—the prisoner turned it when he had it—I knew the deceased very well—his hair was a light brown.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-32" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-32" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-32" type="surname" value="ATKINS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-32" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN ATKINS</persName> </hi>. I am an engineer, residing at North Woolwich—On 9th November, between 11 and 12 in the day, I went to the reed-bed in Plaistow-marshes where the body had been found—I found this knife there—I pointed out to Sergeant Bridgland the spot where I found it—it was shut—I did not examine it particularly at the time—as I picked it up I laid it on my hand and saw that it looked clean, and put it in my pocket—when I got home my wife made a remark that there were some hairs sticking out at the back of the spring—I had the knife half open, reading the maker's name—I turned it up and caught hold of the hair, and the knife dropped—I did not notice the colour of the hair.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-33" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-33" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-33" type="surname" value="ATKINS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-33" type="given" value="CHARLOTTE"/>CHARLOTTE ATKINS</persName> </hi>. On 9th November my husband showed me this knife—I examined it—I saw two hairs sticking out upwards at the back of the spring—the end of the hair was in the knife, and the root was sticking outwards—it was very light hair—I should call it a very light brown—I said to my husband, "My gracious, here is hair sticking out of the back of the knife"—he caught the hair, and the knife dropped from it—I said, "What did you drop it for?"—and he dropped the hair to pick up the knife again, and with that we lost the hair.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-34" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-34" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-34" type="surname" value="JACKSON"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-34" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH JACKSON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, 263 K</hi>). On 9th November last I was at North Woolwich—about half-past 6 in the evening the witness Atkins gave me this knife—I gave it to Henry Smith, another policeman.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-35" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-35" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-35" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-35" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY SMITH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, K</hi>). Between 6 and 7 on Wednesday, 9th November, I received the knife from Jackson—I gave it to Martin to take to the Plaistow Police Station.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-36" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-36" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-36" type="surname" value="MARITIN"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-36" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY MARITIN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, K</hi> 94). On Wednesday evening, 9th Novem
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<p>I received this knife from Smith, and took it by his direction to the Plaistow Police Station, and gave it to Sergeant Bridgland.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-37" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-37" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-37" type="surname" value="HOUGHTON"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-37" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL HOUGHTON</persName> </hi>. I am a bargeman—I know the prisoner—I never saw him but twice in my life—I had known him by sight before I heard of the body being found—I had not known the deceased by sight—I saw him with the prisoner on the 15th October, when the deceased was shot; there was some accident about a pistol—the deceased said something to me about it—that was the time I believe I saw him and the prisoner together—the body was found on 8th November—on that day I saw the prisoner inside the sugar baker's premises, below the Victoria, near the marshes—I asked him whether he was the watchman there—this was about half-past two in the day, as near as I can tell—I asked him if he was the watchman, because I fancied there was something wrong about it—he said no, he was looking after a job—I asked him what had become of his friend that was with him, and was shot, three weeks before—he said he was gone to Germany—I asked him how long ago it was since he saw him—he said on the Thursday morning—he came outside on to the pier-head with us, and we tried to per
<lb/>suade him to go and see the deceased's body—he said he would go down—I told him before that there was a man found dead in the reed-bed with his head cut off, and he made answer, "Good God!"—I told him he had better go down and see the body, and he said he would—I told him it was at the Graving Bock Hotel—he started to go, but came back again—I saw him again that same afternoon, about two hours after; he came down to the Graving Dock Hotel—I was talking to K 82 about him, and a little boy jumped out of a cart coming up the road and asked me if that was the same man I had given a description of—I said "Yes"—the prisoner was present—he said, "Can I see him," twice over—he then went to Mr. Richardson's.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-38" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-38" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-38" type="surname" value="CLARKE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-38" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE CLARKE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant</hi>). I found the prisoner in custody at the Plaistow Police Station, when I went there on the evening of 8th November—I found this key in his trousers' pocket—the whole of his clothes were taken off, and I searched them afterwards—I also found this purse in his pocket—this is a peculiar key—it is the same that I handed to Mrs. Warren, and which she spoke to—the purse contained four duplicates, a sixpence, a penny, and a farthing, a watch-key, some shot, and a percussion cap—these are the duplicates—they are for two shirts pledged for 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on 19th October, at Wm. Darlow's, a ring pledged for 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. at Darlow's on 12th October, a petti
<lb/>coat for 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on 17th October, and a shawl for 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on 11th October, also at Darlow's—in searching the prisoner's house I found in a box in his bed-room, the back room, a purse containing five duplicates, one is for a coat and trousers pledged on 12th October, at Darlow's, by Zulch; one for a shirt, vest, and handkerchief pledged for 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. at Darlow's on 27th October by John Kohl; one for a coat, 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., at Ashbridge's, Waterllo-terrace, Commercial-road, on 20th October by John Kohl; and one for a octet for 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. at George Corner 's, Sydney-place, Commercial-road, on 28th October—I found a deal box and portmanteau down stairs in the back kitchen—they were pointed out by the lodgers in the house, I think by Mrs. Wade—I also found two hat boxes—I have the articles which the duplicates represent—they are some of the articles that I shewed to Mrs. Warren.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-39" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-39" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-39" type="surname" value="WILSON"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-39" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT WILSON</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to George Corner, a pawnbroker, of Commercial road—on 28th October the prisoner came to our shop and pledged a coat—this is the coat—it was wrapped in this handkerchief at the time—he pledged it in the name of John Koh!.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was any one with him when he pledged it.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-40" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-40" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN PINCKNEY</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Wm. Darlow, a pawnbroker, of Victoria Dock-road—on 15th October a person, who I believe to be the prisoner, came to our shop and pledged a silver watch and chain in the name of John Kohl, lodger, 4, Hoy-street—on 27th October the same person pledged a shirt, a waistcoat, and a handkerchief in the name of John Kohl—on 29th October the same person pledged three shirts, a scarf, and trousers—on 4th November some shoes were pledged by a female who gave the name of Ann Kohl—these are the shoes.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-41" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-41" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-41" type="surname" value="HALL"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-41" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH HALL</persName> </hi>. I am also in the employment of Mr. Darlow—on 12th October this ring was pawned in the name of John Fuhrhop—I can't say whether it was pawned by the prisoner—I think it was pawned by the deceased himself—I can't say whether I had ever seen the person before that day—I have since seen the deceased's likeness, and I have a slight recollection of him, I can recollect so far that the person who came spoke broad, quite a different language—I can't say whether he had dark or light hair—on 19th October two shirts were pledged by a woman in the name of Ann Williams, 4, Hoy-street.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-42" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-42" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE MACKEY</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Ashbridge, pawnbroker, of Waterloo-terrace, Commercial-road—on 20th October this coat was pledged at our establishment by a man in the name of John Kohl—I do not know the man.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-43" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-43" type="given" value="CATHERINE"/>CATHERINE ZULCH</persName> </hi>. I know the prisoner, we lived two doors from him—on 12th October my husband went to his house and asked him if he could lend him 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he said no, he had no money, but if I would pawn his clothes for him, we could use the money—he lent me a coat and trousers, he brought them to my house—I pledged them for 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>—I afterwards paid him back the 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., that same hour; I did not give him back the clothes or the 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; he pawned some clothes of mine for 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and took the money and brought me the ticket—his own clothes remained in pawn.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-44" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-44" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-44" type="surname" value="WAGNER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-44" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES WAGNER</persName> </hi>. I am a butcher in Victoria-road—the prisoner was at one time in my employment—about a fortnight before he went to Germany he borrowed 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of me—he shewed me a sovereign, and said he wanted to purchase some clothes for his young woman to make a present of, and he was going to return me the 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. on the following Friday—I saw nothing of him afterwards till he returned from Germany.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-45" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-45" type="surname" value="WILLIAMS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-45" type="given" value="ESTHER"/>ESTHER WILLIAMS</persName> </hi>. I live at Plaistow—the prisoner married my daughter on the Sunday after he returned from Germany on the Thursday—my daughter in his presence borrowed some money of me, £3 in his presence, and 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. out of his presence, and I can't say whether it was two or three half-crowns, or two or three 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. pieces, but it was just upon £A altogether—as far as I know he had no other means to get furniture or anything for the house—he never did any work after his marriage with my daughter—he never repaid me any of the money that had been borrowed; I never asked him for it.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-46" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-46" type="surname" value="WILLIAMS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-46" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS WILLIAMS</persName> </hi>. I am ft son of the last witness—I knew the prisoner a little while before he married my sister—they were married on 2d October I saw him from time to time after the marriage—when they went down Do Sheerness on the wedding-trip I paid their expenses back, and his wife arrowed 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of me—I was repaid the first sum, I think that was 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I not know of his doing any work after his marriage—the 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. my sister asked me to lend her in his presence, as Charley had no work and no money—I can't tell when that was exactly, I think it was about four or five</p>
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<p>weeks after the marriage—it must have been very shortly before his apprehension.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-47" type="surname" value="LONGMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-47" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES LONGMAN</persName> </hi>. I am gate-keeper at the Iron Sugar bakery, Church-lane, Whitechapel—I was at the gate of the factory there on 3rd November—I let the persons who come there in and out—I do not recollect ever seeing the prisoner, either on that day or any other.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You see a great number of persons going in and out of this factory, I suppose!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I am always stationed at the gate—I generally see all who come in and out—I generally take particular notice of every person that comes there—I could not recollect every one that comes in and out, if they were strangers to me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. H ANNEN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Who is the person that would see people who came for employment there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Mr. James Thomas—I should refer everybody who came for employment to him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> is there any other sugar manufactory in that neighbourhood!
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Very near, but not in the Commercial-road—ours is the Iron Sugar bakery.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-48" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-48" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-48" type="surname" value="THOMAS"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-48" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES THOMAS</persName> </hi>. I am general manager at the Iron Sugar bakery—it is my business to engage persons who are employed there—the prisoner did not come there on 3d November to ask far employment—I never saw him to my knowledge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> I suppose you have clerks under you to assist you in the business?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> One—I have out-door business to do—I am occasionally out of doors.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HANNEN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Would you be the person to whom anybody would be referred?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No one would be employed without I employed them—I am the person who would give an answer to anybody who wanted employment.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-49" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-49" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-49" type="surname" value="STEWART"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-49" type="given" value="ANDREW"/>ANDREW STEWART</persName> </hi>. I keep a sugar-boiling establishment near Plaistow-marshes—I do not know the Iron Sugar-bakery in the Commercial-road—the prisoner was in my employment for about three months—my house is about 500 yards from the reed bed where the body was found—I saw the prisoner near my house, both on Monday 7th, and Tuesday, 8th of November—on the Monday I saw him at the corner of my own house—I spoke to him—I said I thought he was in Germany—he said he had been, but he had come back again—I spoke to him first; not he to me—he was looking after employment—he asked me for employment, at the same time, immediately after I had spoken to him—I could not be sure as to the time—it was one of those mornings, as early as half-past 6—I found him out side the house—he did not knock at the door—I came upon him, and addressed him first—the next morning, Tuesday, I saw him again before breakfast—I was coming out of my house, going in to the works—he was standing at the corner of my own house—I did not a peak to him on that occasion, nor he to me; nothing passed between us—on that second occasion—when he asked me for employment on the Monday morning, I said I did not want any hands just now—I did not tell him anything about my partner being absent in Scotland—neither of my partners were absent in Scotland.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-50" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-50" type="given" value="THEODORE"/>THEODORE FUHRHOP</persName> </hi>. I am the brother of Theodore Christian Fuhrhop—he used to reside with me and my mother at Hamburgh—on 27th September, he left to come to London for the purpose of embarking for America—I and my brother saw him on board—I have never seen him since—he had plenty of clothes with him when he left—he had money, 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in gold, and it. or 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. English money, and twenty or thirty thalers, in German money, I don't know which—a taller is worth 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I have seen a watch, some clothes, and other articles, which Mr. Clarke has shown me, I recognised them as being</p>
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<p>my brother's—as far as I am a ware he knew nothing of the prisoner—I had never known the prisoner.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-51" type="given" value="FREDERICK HENRY"/>FREDERICK HENRY CAIGER</persName> </hi>. I am an architect and surveyor—I made the plans produced—they accurately represent the places that they purport to represent—I have measured certain distances—from the Iron Sugar Works in Church-lane, Whitechapel, to Hoy-street, is three miles and 840 yards—from Hoy-street to the reed-bed, is about a mile and a half, following the footpath along the Thames; you might go a nearer way by cutting across a piece of pasture—the distance from the reed-bed to the Iron Sugar Works is four miles, 740 yards, wanting forty yards of five miles—that is the only road you can go, in the direct route—from Corry's hut to the footpath in the reed-bed is 440 yards, and from Corry's hut to the bend at the end of Plaistow Wharf is 240 yards—the total length of the reed-bed is a few yards over half a mile, from one end to the other—the police-constable Martin pointed out to me the respective positions of the head, the body, and the knife—the body laid about seventy yards from the centre of the foot
<lb/>path, on the river-bank in the reed-bed—the head was about forty feet further on towards the river, and the knife about twenty feet from the body, to the left, forming almost an equilateral triangle—I have marked on one set of plans, the respective positions occupied by the body, the head, and the knife—this is the plan—I have correctly marked the places pointed out to me by Martin—the points that I have put there explain those positions, with the references at the side—the body was forty feet nearer the path along the river-bank than the head.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-52" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-52" type="surname" value="MARTIN"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-52" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY MARTIN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I saw the places where the body and head were found—I did not particularly see where the knife was found—I pointed out to Mr. Cagier the places where the body and head were found—I did not point out to him where the knife was found.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">F. H. CAIGER</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). Sergeant Bridgland pointed out to me where the knife was found—he did not point out the place or the spot, bat he described it to me at the station—I have measured from that description.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> We wish to know the exact distance from the reed-bed to the London Docks?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> That is a point I have not measured, but from my knowledge of London in measuring tables of fares for the Commissioners of Police, I can judge pretty accurately—the London Docks is rather over half a mile from the reed-bed, lying in a right line—I should say the distance from the reed-bed to the London Docks was about the same as it is to the sugar warehouse, only you turn down to go to the reed-bed—it is about half a mile from the docks to the sugar house—anybody walking from the reed-bed might do it in the same distance, but if they went the other way, they would have further to walk—the only way from the reed-bed to the sugar house is by the foot-path on the bank of the Thames, across the tidal basin, and one or two bridges and a passage over the railway exactly opposite Hoy-street, going into the East India Docks, and it is as nearly as possible five miles; of course if you go by steam-boat or railway, you can do it in less time—from the reed-bed, via the London Docks to the Commercial-road, would be about half a mile further.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Monday, January</hi> 9
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650111-144-offence-1 t18650111-name-55"/>Thomas Baxter</persName>, and stealing 3
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. MONTAGUE WILLIAMS</hi> conducted the-Prosecution.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-56" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-56" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BAXTER</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk, and reside at 15, Princes-street, Mile-end-road—on Saturday night, 26th November, I was proceeding to my house, about half-past 11, going along High-street, Whitechapel—when I got about five doors this side of Osborn-street, the prisoner and four others came up to me—the prisoner took me by the throat with his right hand, and passed his left hand right round the back of my neck, and so throttled me by pinching my throat to such an extent that I could hardly breathe—while he had hold of my throat, another one came and rifled my right hand pocket—two sovereigns, two half-sovereigns, and a little silver was taken from it—I felt a hand in my left hand pocket—I had in that pocket, a silver watch tied up in a pocket-handkerchief—I immediately grasped that hand with my left hand—two of them immediately came; there was a signal given; a kind of whistle, the two immediately took hold of my left arm by the wrist, and completely screwed it round—I felt great pain, so much so, that I was obliged to go to the hospital—the prisoner let go his hold, and ran away—they all ran away up George-yard—immediately I recovered myself. I made a communication to the police-inspector—I gave him a de
<lb/>scription of the prisoner—on the following Friday, I went to the police-station, Leman-street, Whitechapel—I there saw the prisoner amongst seven or eight other persons—I immediately went round and took him by the collar, and gave him in charge as one of the men who had robbed me on the Saturday previous—I have no doubt whatever about his being the man.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Whereabouts were you robbed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Close by George-yard—I did not pursue you; I was unable to do so—you all ran down George-yard—I did not see you exactly at the time—I don't know the distance between where I was robbed and George-yard; perhaps thirty yards—I could see you run down George-yard from where I was standing—George-yard runs out of High-street—I was robbed between George-yard and Osborn-street—the description I gave of you was about five feet ten inches high, dark hair, cut rather short, a slouched cap on, and a pocket
<lb/>handkerchief round your neck.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-57" type="given" value="BENJAMIN"/>BENJAMIN ARCHER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, H</hi> 101). I received some information from the prosecutor—he gave me a description—on 2d December, I went to the Northumberland Arms public-house, in Fashion-street—I saw the prisoner there—I told him I should take him into custody for being concerned, with others, in robbing a gentleman on the Saturday previous, in High-street, Whitechapel—he said, "The gentleman might have been robbed, but I know nothing about it"—I took him to Leman-street station—I placed him among eight or nine other men, and sent for the prosecutor—he identi
<lb/>fied him immediately.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did I not say I would go quietly, that I was quite innocent of the charge?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe you said you would go quietly—you did go quietly; there were four policemen—the description given me was, a man about five fact ten or eleven, high cheek-bones, dark hair—I did not say five feet nine.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner</hi> to
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS BAXTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What did the policeman say to you when he came to fetch you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said they wanted me down at the</p>
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<p>Leman-street station immediately, that they had taken a prisoner in charge there for the offence—he did not tell me how you were dressed, or describe you in any way—the policeman did not come down the steps, and tell me where you were arranged.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-58" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-58" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN OLIVER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, H</hi> 218). On the night of 26th November, I was on duty in George-yard, Whitechapel, about a quarter to 12—I saw the prisoner running up George-yard—I think there were three or four men before him—I was coming out from the yard—I stopped the prisoner, and asked what he was running for—he said they were running for a
<hi rend="italic">lark</hi>—I took him some distance out of the yard—I found no person hallooing out "stop thief," or anything of the kind, and I let him go—he was running in a direction from Whitechapel—I did not take him back into High-street, only part of the way down George-yard—I saw the prosecutor five or ten minutes afterwards—he was suffering from injuries he had received.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I have witnesses to prove where I was at the time the robbery was being done, and differently dressed.</p>
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<persName id="t18650111-name-59" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-59" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-59" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH SMITHERS</persName> </hi>. I am bar-maid to Mrs. Leech, who keeps the Three Cranes, Fashion-street—on the night of the robbery, the prisoner was not out of that house from 10 o'clock till the house was closed at 12—I am speaking of the 27th November, the Saturday night the robbery was committed—I only know the date by what I have been told by the papers—he had on a large white American hat, and a large white rough coat.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Is not the Three cranes close to High-street, White-chapel?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It is no great distance—I first saw the prisoner as early as 10 in the morning—he went out in the evening between 8 and 9, I should say—he came back before 10, and did not go out again till the house closed, and he was then very tipsy—I was in the bar from 10 o'clock till the house closed at half-past 11—the prisoner asked me would I partake of anything to drink, and I told him no—I saw him go out at 12, when all the others left—he did not go out till every one else left—I am certain this was Satur
<lb/>day, 26th November—they were in there drinking the whole day—I only knew the prisoner by using the house—I never saw him before I came to live at Mrs. Leech's—he has been in the habit of using the house ever since I have been living there—two men were with him on this night, one tall one, and one short one—they all went out together—none of them livid in the house—I recollect this Saturday night, because when it was brought up it refreshed my recollection—that was when the prisoner was remanded before last Session—my mistress told me of it—I believe the prisoner had been in custody about a week or ten days when I first heard of it—I was not examined before the Magistrate—I came here to-day in place of my mistress—the prisoner was at the house all day on the Thursday and Friday, as well as the Saturday, drinking very hard in front of the bar.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-60" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY JACKSON</persName> </hi>. On Saturday night, between 11 and 12 o'clock, the prisoner was drinking in front of my mistress's bar—I don't know the date—he had on a light over-coat, and a white hat on—I am certain he did not go out before 11 or 12—I saw him there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Is this the public-house at which the last witness is barmaid?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; it is at the corner of Fashion-street, Brick-lane—it is all in a line with Osborn-street, close by—I was in the bar the whole time—I was serving customers—we generally do a large business on Saturday evenings—I think there were two or three men with the prisoner; I won't be certain—I knew who they were; I don't know their names exactly, only by sight—there was one of the name of
<hi rend="italic">Fred</hi>; I don't know his other name</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Fred</hi> that came to me—I should know him if I saw him again—I do not see him here—I saw him about half an hour ago outside the Court—he asked me whether the trial had come off yet—he did not tell me whether he was coming as a witness.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were there many persons at the bar on this night?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About fifteen, I should say—I did not lose sight of the prisoner more than a minute or two—I was serving other persons—I was summoned before the Magistrate, but was not called for—I did not give evidence—I was not here last Session.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-61" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN OLIVER</persName> </hi> (
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<hi rend="italic">The prisoner</hi>
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<lb/>lared him—I saw a pocket-handkerchief in his hand, which he passed directly behind him, and I saw no more of it—there were two or three little boys behind him—I gave him in charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> How long were you standing against the window before you missed your watch?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About a minute—I had seen you about five minutes before—I could not see the watch when I collared you—I believe it was in the handkerchief which you passed behind you—you tried to get away.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-65" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY SAMBROOK</persName> </hi>. I am the prosecutor's brother, and was with him at this time—we stopped to look in at a toy-shop window—I saw the prisoner there, and I had seen him previously at another shop—he moved on as we did, and at the toy-shop he stood alongside my brother—I saw my brother lay hold of him—the prisoner had a pocket-handkerchief, and he stooped down and passed it behind his back; I believe it was taken by a shoe-black boy, who was near him—there were two or three round—I don't know what became of them; such a crowd came round at once I could not see—there was no one else near enough to my brother to take his watch, but the prisoner and two little boys—I don't believe the boys took it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did I make any resistance?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, you did—I suspected that the watch was in the handkerchief—I did not take hold of it; you were too wide-awake for that—a little boy came up and told the policeman that there were two men over the way looking at a watch—that was a penny watch—I did not see it.</p>
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<p>into my charge—he said he did not take it, and knew nothing of it—no property was found on him—he gave a false address.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did not a little boy come up and say, "There are two men over there looking at a watch?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I saw several persons looking at watches—one man thrust forward an imitation-watch, a twopenny one, which I was made a great display of in front of the mob—there was a man in the neighbourhood selling those watches at 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. each—I did not take a handker
<lb/>chief from you at the station—you said you had one, but we could not fine it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I was going along Aldgate on my way to my father's in the Borough. I stopped to look in at this toy-shop. I was not there a minute when the prosecutor turned round and took me by the collar, and said I had got his watch. I know nothing of it. I had a hand kerchief in my hand, which I put in my pocket.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for it—I have no doubt that the meat found at each place were part of one lamb—John George said he bought the meat of Mr. Green, and gave 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-71" type="given" value="CHARLES FREDERICK"/>CHARLES FREDERICK GREEN</persName> </hi>. I have a shop in High-street, Harrow—I did not sell any lamb to the prisoner John George—this lamb was shown to me—it was never in my shop until the policeman carried it there.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-76" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS SWEETLOVE</persName> </hi> I live at 31, Upper Ebury-street, Pimlico, and am a general postman—on the afternoon of 27th December, about half-past two, I was in Eaton-place, South—I there saw Murray, he came to me, and in consequence of what he said to me, I proceeded to give him change for a shilling—I did not see Jones at that time—I took out my purse, and poured out a portion of its contents into my hand—I gave him change with a threepenny piece and nine penny pieces—he then took a sovereign out of my hand and got up into a cart—I followed him, and cried out, "Stop, "he did not stop, and I cried, "Stop thief!"—at that time I saw Jones in the cart—he was near enough to hear me cry out "Stop thief!"—a third party was driving the cart; they drove away, I followed them and kept crying "Stop thief!"—they were stopped by a policeman—Jones then jumped out of the cart and ran away—the policeman let go of the horse's head, and ran after him; a milkman then got hold of the horse's head, Murray got out, the milk
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long have you been in the employ of the Post-office?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Twenty-two years come February—I have given change to persons in the road before, cabmen and others—I. had 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. with me at that time—that was my Christmas boxes, not all of them, I had some at home—at the time I gave the change to Murray, Jones was about the length of this Court off, with the cart—Murray ran to the cart and jumped in—the other man has not been found since—at the time the milkman was holding the horse's head there were two men in the cart, Jones had run away—I was close behind the cart when Murray got out, and I and the milkman ran after him.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-77" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY GRIFFIN</persName> </hi>. I am a milkman, living at Chelsea—about half-past two, on 22d September, I was in Sloane-square, and saw the two prisoners in a cart, they got out of the cart and enquired for change of any persons who might be passing by—knowing them before by seeing them about the neigh bourhood, I went and gave information at the police-station—I then came hack with a policeman, and saw the prisoners and another man with the cart in Eaton-place, South—Murray was then getting change from the postman, Sweetlove—I am not sure whether Jones was in the cart or behind it then—when I saw them in Sloane-square he was out of the cart with Murray—they were together when they were asking for change—I saw Murray leave the postman and get into the cart—the postman called out "Stop thief!"—the cart made a plunge off—the policeman went after the cart, laid hold of the horse and stopped it—Jones jumped out at the near side of the cart and ran up Chester-terrace, the policeman ran after him; I then laid hold of the horse's head, and Murray jumped out and ran down Burton-street, I ran after him—Sweetlove said to me, "That is the man who had my sovereign;" a waterman stopped Murray and took him to the station—it was in cones
<lb/>quence of something I said at the station before, that the policeman was sent with me to Eaton-place, South—he was sent by the inspector.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Were you going about with your milk on that after
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you the O'Sullivan?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> O'Sullivan, an ex-soldier of Her Majesty's service—Murray did not ask me for change.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in silver and 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper—it was a light spring cart.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. the money of
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> I believe you gave no information at the time?
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or 10
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<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How much did he run off with altogether?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He bad 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., but I had his half-crown, so he only got half-a-crown—I have not the least doubt he is the man.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Witnesses for the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long has he been in your employ
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have kept him from a child, his mother is dead—he has worked with me on and off ever since he could work at all—he was in my shop on 23d December—it was on a Friday—he never left me five minutes all day, no further than going into the backyard to get greens—he was sorting the potatoes, and helping me to get my business ready for Saturday—he was out on 27th gadding about along with his
<hi rend="italic">gal</hi>—I suppose he was at home with me on that day, he only went out for a pint of beer—he was helping me on 24th—his girl was helping me, as well—the 27th was a Tuesday, he was at home then helping me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DALEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you hear of his being taken into custody?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I did not hear of it till yesterday—I can solemnly swear he was with me all day on the Friday before Christmas day—he was with me on the Saturday, and Sunday, and on boxing-day—he goes out when he likes, he leaves at night—I have missed him these last few days—I saw him the day after boxing-day.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-84" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD HALEY</persName> </hi>. I am a greengrocer—on the Friday before Christmas day, 23rd December, the prisoner was helping my missus—when I came home from market he was there—I came home at 10 in the morning—he was there all the day after—I never lost sight of him half-an-hour all day.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Where do you go to market?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Spitalfields—I went at 6 in the morning, and returned at 10, or from 10 to 11—sometimes it is half-past 9—I get home at various times—I got home about 10 on the 23rd, as near as I can guess—I looked at the clock—I go to market every day—the prisoner is my brother-in-law—I have never been home from market as late as 11, I think: that is a bad time—I can't recollect being as late as half-past 11—I have got a van and a cart—I never lent the prisoner either—I never knew of his borrowing one—I never went out for a drive with him—I did not go to market on boxing-day at all—I do not know where the prisoner was on 27th or 28—he was along with me on Thursday, the 22nd, part of the day at home—I don't know where he was the other part of the day—I might have missed him two or three hours—he was at my place on boxing day, Christmas day he had dinner along with me—the last time I saw him was on Boxing-day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">EDWARD WILLIAMS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> At what time was it on 23rd that this happened?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About half-past 11, as near as I can tell.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8 1/4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4 1/4
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<interp inst="t18650111-153-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, to feloniously forging and uttering 3 Post-office orders for the payment of money.—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. his money;</rs> having been before convicted.
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., the moneys of
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, January</hi> 9
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1865.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Bere Common Serjeant.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRAFURD</hi> cited the prosecution and
<hi rend="smallCaps">GIFFARD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-100" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRANNAN</persName> </hi>. I am employed by the Mint—on Saturday, 10th September, about half-past 12 in the day, I was at the Spencer Arms, Dudley-street, Seven Dials, with Inspector Avory and other officers—I saw the prisoner standing at the bar with another man close to him—I instructed the officers to seize him, and said, "Peter, you are suspected of having counterfeit coin in your possession, have you got any"—I first told him my name was Brannan—he said, "No, what"—I repeated the question frequently—I put my hand into his left hand breeches pocket, and found these papers containing several packets of counterfeit coin, separately wrapped in paper one packet containing five half-crowns, another two half-crowns, two packages containing ten shillings each, and another six—I also found on him several strips of paper, on which was written "Spencer Arms, Dudley-street, from 11 to 2"—a professional card—I asked him his name and address, which he declined to give—he was several days in custody before he gave the name of Peter Clark—the coin is all here, and is about the best manufacture I ever saw.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You expected to see him there at 12?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I knew him before that for several months as a dealer in counterfeit coin—I went there, on that day, in consequence of information I received—I had never spoken to him before—he knew me before well—I always tell prisoners my name—I do not know the other man—I did not see his face—I should not know him again—he may not have been in the prisoner's company—he was standing close to him—I do not know in whose writing these strips of paper are—they all appear to be in the same writing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CRACFURD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you seen any of these before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I had one of them produced to me before this.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police-inspector, G.</hi>) I was with Mr. Brannan—I took I hold of the prisoner—I have heard what Brannan has stated, it is correct—I took the prisoner to the station—he refused his name and address, in a most obstinate manner.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-102" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of coin to the Mint—these are all counterfeit coins, several are from the same mould—they are the best counter
<lb/>feit money which has ever been brought here; the finest I have ever seen—I have reason to believe that another method has been brought to bear in making them—there is no appearance of casting on the surface of them—counterfeit coin is always wrapped up in this way to prevent it rubbing.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSES. CRAUFURD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COLERIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-104" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN WHITEHEAD</persName> </hi>. In December last I served at a refreshment stall in the body of the Agricultural Hall, Islington—it is lighted up in the evening, and open till 10 o'clock—on Friday, 9th December, about 9 in the evening, the prisoner came to my stall and asked for a glass of gin, which was 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she gave me a half-crown, and I gave her a 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. piece and 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change—she drank the gin and went away—I kept the half-crown in my hand, and after she was gone found it was bad, and put it on one side by itself—about a quarter of an hour, or twenty minutes, afterwards the prisoner came back—I knew her directly—she asked for half a pork-pie, and gave me a bad half-crown—I told her it was the second one she had given me that evening—she said, "Oh, no, nothing of the kind, "and put down a good florin—I told her I must detain her until Mr. Rudkin came—an officer came up, and I gave him the two bad half-crowns.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-105" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN PAYNE</persName> </hi>. On 9th December I had a stall in the gallery of the Agricultural Hall, just above the last witness's—about half-past 8 in the evening she came to my stall and asked for a glass of stout—I told her we bad no draught stout, and she then had a bottle of stout, which was 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she paid me with a half-crown—I took her and said it was a bad one—I called the barman, who bent it with his teeth in the prisoner's presence—I told her it was bad—she said she had no idea of it, she had changed a half-sovereign coming in at the gate, and had only got a good florin left—I said, "They don't give change at the gate"—she made no answer to that, but turned from me and drank her stout—she paid me with a good florin—I gave her I 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change—she said that was all the money she had—and showed me her purse—the half-crown was bent in half—I left it in the barman's hands—the prisoner asked for it back—I refused to give it to her.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I don't remember seeing her before—I was never up stairs—I never had anything to drink at all.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, N</hi> 418). On the evening of 9th December I was on duty in the Agricultural Hall—the prisoner was given into my custody, and I received these two half crowns (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) from Whitehead—I asked the prisoner how she accounted for the possession of the half-crowns, and she said she got them in change at the gate of the hall—they do not give change at the entrance gates—the female searcher at the station told me in the prisoner's presence that she had found a good 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. piece and a purse on her—the prisoner said that she came from Yorkshire, she had been in London only three days, and been lodging at a coffee-shop in Pimlioo, but she did not know the name of the shop, or the name of the street.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-107" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These half-crowns are both bad—the florin is good.
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> All I say is, that I got a half-sovereign changed at the gate, there is a place on purpose—I paid 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for going in—I walked round the cattle show, went to this stall and asked for a glass of stout—she said they had none—I went away, came back again in quarter of an hour and asked for half a pork-pie—I gave the half-crown, and the girl said, "You have passed two here to night"—I said I had not—I did not know the money was bad.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., the property of the
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DIGBY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-111" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM ROME</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Mr. Sweeting, a fish dealer, of Cheapside—on 15th December, between 5 and 6 in the evening, I delivered 32 barrels of oysters to the prisoner—he had a Great Western van with him—I partly addressed them—I addressed one of them "Mr. George Hopkins, Kidderminster, Worcestershire"—this is the card (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—here is "Van train," on it, in my writing—it was a double barrel containing about 20 dozen oysters, value 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I did not place the barrels in the van, I gave them to my boy.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had he a boy?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—he does not come daily, only in Christmas week—he takes a book from us which is taken to the office to be signed—he is asked if he has so many, and he says "Yes."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-112" type="given" value="BENJAMIN"/>BENJAMIN BUTLER</persName> </hi> I am a porter in the employment of the Great Western Railway, at the Bull and Mouth receiving house—the prisoner was employed by the Great Western Railway—I remember him coming with 31 barrels of oysters from Mr. Sweeting on 15th December—I received them from him, and placed them in the office—it was his duty to bring a book which he passes backwards and forwards—he accounts to me and 1 account to him, but I do not compare with the book—he counted 31 to me, and I counted 31 from him—I heard 32 mentioned, and I said, "Well, I have only 31—the lad came into the office, looked over the counter, and said, "Well, that is all I have received, "and went away—his book was checked immediately after he was gone—the prisoner cannot write, and I do not think he can read writing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> He did not say a word to me about there being only 31—nobody told me about it for two days afterwards.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is it the receiver's duty to sign this book?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Directly it is checked they are rolled over and marked, or the money filled in—if they do not tally we scratch it out—Mr. Crutcher scratched this out—the 32 barrels were entered in this book at the time I received them—this conversation was the same night he brought them, not two or three days afterwards.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DIGBY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was William Hayes present at the time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not inside, he was outside in the van.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-113" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HAYES</persName> </hi>. I am van boy in the employment of the Great Western Railway at the Bull and Mouth—on 15th December I was van boy to the prisoner's van, and accompanied the prisoner to Mr. Sweeting's—we received 32 barrels, I am certain of that—I counted them—he then drove to the Bull and Mouth—he delivered 31 there, and kept one in the van—he then got up, and we drove to London-wall—he jumped down and went into</p>
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<p>Richard Johnson's, came out and took this card (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) off the barrel, put it in his pocket, and took the barrel of oysters in, and gave it to Johnson.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> It was not till two days afterwards that I drove to London
<lb/>wall—you gave me that card yourself.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> It was on the same day.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-114" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED RYDER</persName> </hi>. I am a warehouseman in the employ of Mr. Johnson, of London-wall—I remember the prisoner coming with a van, but cannot recollect the night, because he calls every night—I received a barrel of oysters from him—there was no address-card on it—he laid it on my packing-board, and I paid him the price of the oysters, 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—the barrel had Sweeting's brand on it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you asked him to bring them?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I was not surprised—I never bought any before—he brought them in and said, "Ryder, I can sell you this barrel of oysters"—I said, "Well, what do you want for it?"—he said, 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I gave it him and he left.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi>, 209). I took the prisoner in custody, on 23rd December, at the Bull and Mouth—I searched him at the station, and found this card and this gold watch in his fob, also the address paper in which it had been packed—I charged him with stealing the parcel containing this gold watch—he said that he bought it in Leadenhall-street—I said, "How did you get this paper in which it was packed?"—he said he could not account for it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-116" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL JACKSON</persName> </hi>. I am a watch manufacturer, of Bed Lion-street, Clerkenwell—on 23rd December I sent this gold watch packed in a box (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) like this addressed to Mr. John Ching, Launceston, Cornwall—here is an inscription inside it which I know perfectly well—it was wrapped in wadding and properly secured, and sent to the Great Western Railway booking office.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-117" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY WING</persName> </hi>. I am in Mr. Jackson's employment—on 23rd December I received a parcel from him to take to the Bull and Mouth—this box is about the size of it, and this cover (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was wrapped round it—it was securely packed, I delivered it in the same state to Mr. Crutcher between 7 and 8 o'clock, and my book was signed.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-118" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES CROUCHER</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk at the Bull and Mouth receiving house of the Great Western Railway—the prisoner was a carman in the employ of the Company—I recollect signing for some barrels of oysters, and there was one short—he said, when they were brought in, that there were thirty-two—I signed the book for one short—he said, "Those were all I re
<lb/>ceived from Mr. Sweeting"—on 23d December, Mr. Jenkins's boy came, and I re
<lb/>ceived a box done up in this paper—I signed for it—it was in very good condition—I put it with other parcels inside the office, at about twenty minutes past 7—the prisoner was not there then, but came shortly after
<lb/>wards—the Paddington van came about 9 o'clock—the prisoner then asked whether he might assist—I gave him my sanction—we made sixty parrels up, and when the guard came to sign, he said, "I have only received fifty-nine, "whereupon Ghost looked at the clock, and said, "You will not want me any longer," and left—I sent Coleman for him, but he came back without the prisoner—I went and found him at the corner of Angel-street—I told him there was a parcel missing from the office, and he was to come back with me, as he bad been seen to have the parcel in his possession—he said, "I will make him prove his words"—we went back and had the van unloaded to find out what was missing, and found that the parcel for Mr. Ching was not checked—I called a policeman, and said, "Some of us must have that parcel; the best thing we can do is to search one another"—they</p>
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<p>all consented, and I searched all but the prisoner—as my attention was drawn to a little bit of white wadding on his trousers, I gave him in custody, and he was taken to the station.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-119" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PINCHES</persName> </hi>. I am a carman, employed by the job at the Great Western Railway—on the night of 23d December, I was at the Bull and Mouth, but was not employed—the prisoner was there, and Mr. Fletcher—I heard an inquiry about a parcel which was missing—I never knew then was one missing till they were counted over, and then I saw the prisoner put a parcel in his pocket—I stood in the street, and saw him break it open, and put the contents in his pocket—I think it was a pasteboard box—he then came out and ran away, and I told the clerk.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-120" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN COLEMAN</persName> </hi>. On 23d December, I was employed at the Bull and Mouth, a parcel was missing, and Mr. Croucher sent me after the prisoner—I found him under a lamp examining something in his hand—I could not see what it was, but I saw it shine—I told him he was to come back to the Bull and Mouth—he laughed and said, "Me?"—he went part of the way, and then told me to tell them that he was up at Gough's.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">PARTRIDGE</hi>"—I went in and spoke to Mr. Partridge, and then asked the prisoner to step into the counting-house—he did so, and I asked him if he was the same party who fetched the things the morning previous—he said that he was—I asked Mr. Partridge if that was his order—he said, "No, "and that he had not sent one the previous day, or on any other day—Mr. Partridge and the prisoner had a few words together, and then I sent for a policeman.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-123" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY PARTRIDGE</persName> </hi>. I am a builder, of 5, Canon-street-road, and deal with Mr. Farmelow—I do not know the prisoner—I did not authorize him to obtain two cans and six brass taps on the 6th—I know nothing of this order for tools—I did not authorize anybody to apply for whitewash brushes or tools—I went to the prosecutor's shop on the 8th, in consequence of information—I was in the counting-house when the prisoner came in—I asked him where he got the order yesterday—he said, "From some one out side"—I did not go outside.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> I believe I told you if you would go with me, I would show you the man who sent me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> You did—I said that I had sometimes papers, the writing of which corresponded with this order.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know whose writing it is?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe it to be the writing of a man who was discharged from my service on 5th November.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, B</hi> 231). I took the prisoner on the 8th—I read the warrant to him, telling him he was charged with obtaining goods from Mr. Farmelow, by false pretences—he said nothing.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I happened to meet this man in the street; he asked me if I wanted a glass; I said, "Yes;" and he sent me for some goods which he had sent somebody for the the night before—I met him next day, and he asked me if I would go to the same place with a note; I went in, and Mr. Partridge was there; he asked me who sent me, and I told him if he would go with me, I would show him.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">The following prisoners</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>:—</p>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.,</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., of
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, January</hi> 10
<hi rend="italic">th</hi> 1865. Before Mr. Recorder.</p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650111-164-offence-1 t18650111-name-131"/>Laurence Westborough</persName> a letter containing a challenge;</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">The defendant, through his counsel</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT PARRY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">retracted the libellous matter, and apologized to the prosecutor.—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS BURROWS</hi> (35)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. GIFFARD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ME. RIBTON</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">F. H. LEWIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-133" type="given" value="JAMES HERMAN"/>JAMES HERMAN LEE</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Joseph Tucker, a member of the Stock Exchange—I know the prisoner, he was also a member of the Stock Exchange—the 14th October was one of the account days on the Exchange—according to the course of business, a settlement would take place that day of the securities and stock bought since the last account day; the stock would be delivered, and payment made—about half-past 2 on the 14th I went to the prisoner's office in Angel-court, City, and took with me three Confederate bonds, to the amount of 2, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I saw the prisoner, delivered him the stock, and told him there were 2, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Confederate loan from Tucker, and he gave me a cheque—I asked him to count the stock, which he did while I was there, and he then gave me this cheque (
<hi rend="italic">pro
<lb/>duced</hi>) for 1, 280
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the Alliance Bank—it is a crossed cheque, payable to bearer—it is crossed "& Co."—I took the cheque, and gave it to Mr. Tucker—it is now marked N.S., not sufficient.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-134" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH TUCKER</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—I know the prisoner—in October last, I had an account with him for Confederate bounds in the ordinary way of business—I have a note of it here in my</p>
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<p>book—the first bargain was for 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—that was on 30th September, the previous account day—the second was on 3d October—the two came 1 to 1.280
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—according to the practice of the Exchange, on 14th October, we should have to deliver him the bonds, and take a cheque for them—the bonds would not be delivered without a cheque.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is it the practice to pay at the time of delivering the bonds? A. Yes, to pay a cash-cheque the same day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had your clerk any authority to deliver the bonds without the cheque? A. He frequently leaves bonds without having a cheque immediately; we may have a large account with a man—the cheque that is received must be a cheque that goes through the clearing-house—a cheque uncrossed would, of course, do as well—the time for the deli
<lb/>very of the stock is up to half-past 2; it must be delivered by half-past 2—the cheques are cleared before 5—they must go into the banker's before 4—my clerk took this cheque in the ordinary way of business—he did not bring it to me—he paid it in, in the course of business—it was after
<lb/>wards returned dishonoured.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE RECORDER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that this evidence would not support the charge.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi> called attention to the case of Reg. v. Parker, 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi> Moody, page 1, which he submitted was analogous to the present.
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE RECORDER</hi> considered the cases different; there the cheque was delivered before the goods, here the bonds were delivered over, and counted, before the cheque was given.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi> urged that the act was to be regarded as simultaneous, that dominion I over the bonds was never parted with until the cheque was received; in the same way as a tradesman would place his goods on the counter before he was paid for them.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE RECORDER</hi> did not think the objection removed, he regarded it as a delivery on credit, in the full belief that a valuable cheque would be given; but it would be better, as there were other transactions alleged, to proceed upon them.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-135" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-135" type="given" value="JAMES EDMUND"/>JAMES EDMUND SMITH</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—I sold the prisoner fifty Imperial Ottoman Bank shares—that was before the 14th October—the shares were to be delivered on the 14th—the price I was to receive for them was 812
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—on the 14th my clerk, Mr. Fenner, deli
<lb/>vered them—this cheque was returned to me the day after by Robarts and Co., my bankers, as unpaid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-136" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-136" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD FENNER</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in Mr. Smith's service—on 14th October, I saw the prisoner in our office, 3, Shorters-court—he asked me to deliver him some shares which we had to deliver to him, and tendered this cheque for 812
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—the cheque was slightly inaccurate, and by my mentioning the fact, he altered it in my presence from 812
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to 812
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he then took away the shares—they were fifteen Imperial Ottoman Bank shares—I saw them given to the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you give him the shares before he gave you the cheque?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> According to the best of my recollect
<lb/>tion the action was simultaneous—to the best of my recollection be tendered the cheque at the time he asked for the shares—I should say that he tendered the cheque at the time of receiving the shares—it might have been a moment before, or a moment after, I could not swear positively to that—I did not deliver him the shares with my own hand; a clerk in the office did, by my direction—he is not here—I can't say how long the prisoner had been in the office—the amount he was to pay was marked on the shares, or a paper annexed—they were all folded together—he examined them after they were given to him—he would do that for his own guidance—I can't positively swear that he did—I have not the slightest doubt that he did, bat the fact is, the shares were in that form that they did not require</p>
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<p>examination—he did examine them—I don't recollect whether he said they were correct, or where he put them—he was in the office altogether, perhaps, two minutes, it might be three—I can't say whether the shares were delivered to him before I received the cheque from him—to the best of my recollection the cheque was tendered at the time the shares were asked for, but I can't say one way or the other.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What was the first thing, as far as you remember, that the prisoner said or did when he came into the office?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said, "Have you the shares ready for me?"—he came in with a book or leather-case, in which was the cheque for the shares, already drawn—he handed it to me—I can't say whether I had seen the cheque at the time I directed the clerk to give him the shares—the clerk bad fetched the shares at the time I suggested the alteration in the cheque—that was after I had received the cheque, and as the prisoner was leaving the office, he turned back, and made the correction—at that time he had got the shares, and I had the cheque in my hand.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-137" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-137" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-137" type="given" value="WALTER ERRWEN"/>WALTER ERRWEN FOWLER</persName> </hi>. I am a stock-jobber on the Stock Exchange—on 14th October, I had to deliver to the prisoner 3,060
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Spanish Passive Bonds—the amount of the cheque I was to receive, was 948
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—I ran into the office, Mr. Burrows was sitting at the table, settling day is always a busy day, I said, "Here is 3, 060 Passive Bonds; I claim this amount, 948
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>."—he wrote me a cheque directly, and gave it me—I put it in my pocket, and paid it in with others—I gave him the bonds—I stood at the table with the bonds in my hand, and he wrote the cheque—whether I pat them on the table first, before I positively had the cheque in my hand, I cannot swear—I asked for a cheque, and I held the bonds in my hand.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You said, "Here are the bonds;" and held them out, I suppose?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; if I come to refresh my memory, I should say that he counted them before he gave me the cheque—that is the usual custom.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you see him writing the cheque before you parted with the custody of the bonds?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> That I cannot swear to, and whether he counted the bonds before he gave me the cheque, I cannot say—it was all done in a moment—I should say, in all probability, he did count them first.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-138" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-138" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-138" type="given" value="CHARLES EDWARD"/>CHARLES EDWARD ROBINSON</persName> </hi>. I am a stock-jobber on the Stock Exchange—on 14th October, I had to deliver to the prisoner 400 Mexican Bonds—I had sold them to him before—I was to receive 128
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>—I took the bonds to his office, and delivered them—he counted them over—I made my claim, which he agreed, and he gave me his cheque—I fancy that his clerk, or whoever it was sitting opposite to him, drew the cheque, and he signed it—it was the cheque induced me to part with the bonds.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was it the cheque, or the belief that you would receive the cheque?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The belief that I should receive the cheque, and that that cheque would be paid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Supposing no cheque had been forthcoming, what would you have done?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> If he bad said to me "I will bring the cheque down to you in a few minutes, I am too busy to draw it now, "I should have said "Very well."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You had confidence in him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, that is the usual practice.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-139" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-139" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-139" type="surname" value="HESELTINE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-139" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HESELTINE</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—I sold the prisoner 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. worth of Confederate bonds; that was for the account day, 14th October—I gave my clerk directions to deliver them, and I afterwards</p>
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<p>received from him this crossed cheque for 650
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—it was paid in to my bankers—it was returned, marked "N.S."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-140" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-140" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-140" type="surname" value="LANCEY"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-140" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS LANCEY</persName> </hi>. I am a friend of Mr. Heseltine's and assist him—on 14th October I went to the prisoner's office—I took with me a Con
<lb/>federate bond for 1, 000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I saw Mr. Burrows there, and a gentleman, and I also saw his clerk—I delivered the bond to the clerk, and received from him this cheque for 650
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the prisoner Was present at the time—I should not have left the bond if I had not received the cheque in return.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Supposing it had been said, "I will send you down a cheque?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I should not have done it in that case—I had never been to that office before—I was not a clerk of Mr. Heseltine's, I only went at his request, he being busy, to take up the bond and receive a cheque immediately, because paying time was coming—this was about half-past two—anytime up to four o'clock will do, but we always like to pay up at half-past three—if it had been said, "I will bring you a cheque at three o'clock, "I should not have been justified in leaving the bond—Mr. Heseltine's clerk may have done so, but I had nothing to do with the business: I should not have done it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Mr. Burrows see and hear what was done?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; he made a remark, "Heseltine, all right?"—I suppose he read the label on the bond—I believe the cheque was already drawn, for I was not there more than half a minute—it was quite dry when I received it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> When he said it was all right, were the bonds in his hand?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I cannot say, because I was looking through the railings—I delivered the bond to the clerk, and Mr. Burrows was on the other side—he looked, and said "Heseltine, all right"—he bad looked at the bond and found it was right, and after that I received the cheque—I have been a few years in the business—I do very little—I have on previous occasions delivered bonds to other members of the Stock Exchange, under similar circumstances—I do not remember a case where I did not receive a cheque, possibly I may not have done so, if I have known the gentleman to whom I have delivered the bonds—I knew Mr. Burrows by sight, but not to speak to—if he had said, "I will send you a cheque down in twenty minutes, or half an hour, I am too busy to draw it now, "I should not have felt myself justified in leaving the bond; I should have taken it back again to the office—I should have taken it from the clerk, if I could have got it—I was then on the other side of the railing.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-141" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-141" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-141" type="surname" value="PALMER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-141" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM PALMER</persName> </hi>. In October last I was clerk to Mr. Secretan, a mem
<lb/>ber of the Stock Exchange—on 14th October, I went with twenty Ottoman Bank shares to Mr. Burrows' office—I did not see him when I first went there—I did afterwards, and asked him for the cheque for the "twenty Otto
<lb/>man banks"—he drew this cheque for 330
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and gave it to me—I had de
<lb/>livered the shares to Mr. Burrows' brother, who was in the office, the first time I went there—that was before Mr. Burrows came in.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-142" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-142" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-142" type="surname" value="PEARCE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-142" type="given" value="LEWIS"/>LEWIS PEARCE</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Mr. Oliver, a member of the Stock Ex
<lb/>change—on 14th October I delivered some Spanish Passive bonds to Mr. Burrows—I saw him and gave him the bonds—he counted them and wrote a cheque and signed it—Mr. Oliver has the cheque, he is not here.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-143" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-143" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-143" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES HOPKINS</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—in October I had some Turkish bonds to deliver to Mr. Burrows, they were sold to him at the latter end of September, and also some Spanish bonds—they were to be delivered on the 14th, the sum due to me was 1,838
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I took the bonds to his office on the 14th—I delivered him 2, 000 Turkish, the Spanish certificates he wished me to carry over to the next account—I then delivered him the remainder of the Turkish</p>
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<p>bonds, 1, 500, and received payment for the lot in this cheque—it is crossed—I paid it into my bankers—it was returned dishonoured—I put the bonds on the table when I received the cheque, and he counted them—as far as I can recollect, they were on the table when I received the cheque.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> How long after you had given him the bonds, did you receive the cheque?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I received the cheque at the time of the delivery of the 1, 500, the latter portion; I had taken 2, 000 first, and some time afterwards, probably a quarter of an hour after, I took the remainder, and it was then I received the cheque for the whole.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you actually deliver the 1,500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. before, or at the time you received the cheque?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was simultaneous, while he was counting them the clerk wrote the cheque.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What induced you to part with these 1,500 bonds?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> They were due to him, they were to be delivered to him—I waited for the cheque; if I could not have got one I should not have left the bonds there—if he had said he would send the cheque down, I should have had no reason to doubt him at the moment—I might possibly have left the bonds for the time being, but I should have gone again in a few minutes, if the cheque had not come down.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-144" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-144" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-144" type="surname" value="RICHARDSON"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-144" type="given" value="MURRAY"/>MURRAY RICHARDSON</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—I had to deliver to the prisoner, on 14th October, 3, 000 new Mexicans, and 1, 000 three per cent, coupon stock, and 3, 600 old Mexican at three per cent; altogether I was to receive 1,259
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I gave directions to one of my clerks to deliver that stock to Mr. Burrows—we always receive payment for stock delivered in the ordinary course of business—I should not give any special directions as to that—I Bent my clerk in the ordinary way—I was to receive payment according to the ordinary practice, although I did not say so—my clerk received this cheque for 1, 259
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and paid it into my bankers—it was returned endorsed, "Not sufficient."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you know when it was returned?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think the next day, but I know that night at five o'clock it was not paid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-145" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-145" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-145" type="surname" value="PARKER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-145" type="given" value="JOHN WILLIAM"/>JOHN WILLIAM PARKER</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Mr. Richardson—I was at the office when this cheque for 1,259
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. was brought—Mr. Burrows had had part of the stock previously—he had called at the office and taken a portion of it, and the rest was sent to him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did he bring the cheque afterwards?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, perhaps an hour or two after.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-146" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-146" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-146" type="surname" value="BAKER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-146" type="given" value="LAURENCE JAMES"/>LAURENCE JAMES BAKER</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—I sold the prisoner certain amounts of Turkish bonds during the account for the 14th October—I saw the prisoner several times on that day, on the last occasion in my office—he brought me this cheque for 458
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 13
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; it is a crossed cheque on the Alliance bank—he had had the bonds, they had been sent to him during the day.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> After the prisoner was taken into custody, did you see his brother?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Several times—I received from him some days subse
<lb/>quently to the prisoner's being given into custody, certain deeds and docu
<lb/>ments—there are some circular notes on the London and Westminster bank for 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and a letter of indication, two or three cheques on the Bank of London, signed in blank by Mr. J. Grantham, and two Railway tickets from Charing-cross to Paris.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-147" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-147" type="given" value="EDWARD WILLIAM"/>EDWARD WILLIAM MILLER</persName> </hi>. I am a cashier at the Alliance bank, the prisoner had an account there; it was opened on 14th July, 1863—on the morning of 14th October last 74
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. was standing to his account—it was not increased at all during that day—our bank is in the Clearing house our bank is in the clearing house</p>
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<p>—during the afternoon of 14th October cheques to a considerable amount drawn by the prisoner on our bank were presented in the regular way through the Clearing-house and dishonoured—the cheques produced amount to 9, 120
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I know the cheques; there is a mark of mine on them—on 5th October I cashed a cheque of the prisoner's for 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I gave for it one 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note, No. 59, 262, dated 24th March, and the other for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., No. 52, 331, dated 28th June—on 10th October the prisoner paid in this cheque on the Bank of London for 125
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., drawn by Grantham, payable to No. 1.—credit was given to the prisoner in his account for that sum.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-148" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-148" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GIPSON</persName> </hi>. I am a cashier at the Bank of London—on 5th October the prisoner called on me with Joseph Grantham, whom he introduced to open an account—after the account was opened he was asked whether Mr. Grantham was in business—he said, "He is my clerk"—Mr. Grantham signed the book, and the account was opened—the prisoner paid me 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in two notes, one for 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., No. 59, 262, dated 24th March, and one for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., No, 52, 331, dated 28th June—this cheque for 125
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., dated 10th October, is drawn by Mr. Grantham in favour of No. 1.—during 14th October cheques were paid in to our bank to the credit of Mr. Grantham—I know that from the books; I received one myself—they are all entered I in this book—we gave credit to Mr. Grantham for certain cheques that day, I amounting to about 1,400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., in three sums, 1,086
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 352
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and 1 28
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., consisting of various cheques—these five are some of them; they are for 485
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., drawn by Mr. Cannon, 243
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. by Mr. Carr, 95
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. by Arthur Pearce, 38
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. by Thomas Price, and 334
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. by H. Hamber.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-149" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-149" type="surname" value="HAMBER"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-149" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HAMBER</persName> </hi>. I am a hosier in Threadneedle-street—I know the pri
<lb/>soner—I instructed him to buy for me 25 Imperial Ottoman Bank shares—they were to be paid for on 14th October—on that day the prisoner de
<lb/>livered to me 25 of those shares—I gave him the price of those, 334
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. 1 by this cheque—it has been returned through my bankers paid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-150" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-150" type="given" value="EDWARD WILLIAM"/>EDWARD WILLIAM CANNON</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—I had some dealings with the prisoner on 14th October—I paid him this cheque for 485
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for stock that he delivered to me—it has been returned through my bankers paid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-151" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-151" type="surname" value="PRICE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-151" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS PRICE</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—on 14th October I paid the prisoner this cheque for 38
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for shares, it has been returned paid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-152" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-152" type="surname" value="EVITT"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-152" type="given" value="WALTER SIMS"/>WALTER SIMS EVITT</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Mr. Carr—on 14th October I gave the prisoner this cheque for 243
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—it has been returned through Mr. Carr's bankers, paid.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-153" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-153" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-153" type="surname" value="PEARCE"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-153" type="given" value="ARTHUR"/>ARTHUR PEARCE</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the Stock Exchange—on 14th October I paid the prisoner this cheque for 95
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for transactions between us.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-154" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-154" type="given" value="WILLIAM EDMUND"/>WILLIAM EDMUND JONES</persName> </hi>. I am one of the cashiers of the Bank of Lon
<lb/>don—I paid this cheque on 14th October, drawn by Mr. Grant ham, I believe, for 444
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I paid it with a 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note, ten 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes, and ten 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. notes—the number of the 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was 81, 752, date 26th January.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-155" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-155" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY BUCELAND</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the London and Westminster Bank, at Lothbury—on 14th October some person applied to me for circular notes to the amount of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the money for the notes was paid to me by a 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note—I delivered that note to Mr. Paterson, another gentleman in the same bank, this is the ticket (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), which I received for the circular notes—some person called for the circular notes, and I gave that person twelve 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. circular notes—these are the notes (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-156" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-156" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-156" type="surname" value="PATERSON"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-156" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM PATERSON</persName> </hi>. I am a cashier in the London and Westminster</p>
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<p>Bank, Lothbury—on the 14th October, I received from the last witness a 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note—this is it: No. 81, 752; date, 26th January, 1864.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-157" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18650111-name-157" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-157" type="surname" value="STURDY"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-157" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM STURDY</persName> </hi>. I am in partnership with Mr. Baker—on the evening of 14th October, I went to the railway-station at Charing-cross—I was familiar with the appearance of the prisoner—I saw him at the Charing-cross station on the 14th October, about six minutes past 8—the mail train for Dover was going at half-past 8—the prisoner did not present his usual appearance when I saw him then—he had taken his beard off, and shaved his whiskers, and he also wore a wig—when I first saw him I thought he was the man, but looking at him a second time, I thought there was some little difference which I could not account for—I got into the carriage where he was, extended my hand to him, and said, "How do you do, Burrows?"—he extended his hand, and shook hands with me—there was a lady with him in the carriage—I said that he had done wrong, and that he must come with me—he said he had done wrong, and he should not make any resistance—he and the lady got out of the carriage—I got his luggage out of the van, and I asked him for his keys, which he gave me—I examined his boxes, to see if there were any bonds there; but found done—the luggage was labelled for Paris—I then took him in a cab to Bow-street—the lady went also—I did not give him in charge then—from there we went to the Great Northern railway-station—he told me that the stock was with his brother at Shenley
<lb/>hill, about six miles from Barnet-station—we all three went there, and got to his brother's about half-past 10 at night, or a little later, perhaps—his brother was at home—to the best of my belief, the prisoner said to him, "The bonds that I gave you this afternoon to take care of for me, with orders to bring up to the office to-morrow, I now request you to deliver to this gentleman"—the brother left the room, and immediately afterwards came in with a parcel; it contained certain bonds—this is the paper that was with the securities—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "5, 000 Passives, 3, 000 cotton loan, 3, 000 Turkish consolidated bonds, 5, 000 Mexican, 25 Ottoman Bank shares, and 20 Ottoman Bank shares")—the then value of those altogether is stated at 6, 980
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the prisoner had not carried out the items quite correctly; it was at that time within 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of 6, 980
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he had put down the price; but he had not carried them out correctly—the arithmetic was wrong.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> I suppose 1 may take it, that Confederate bonds would be very saleable on the continent?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have no doubt they would—I be
<lb/>lieve they were originally brought out at Frankfort—I think the prisoner stated to me on the way to Barnet that he had delivered the bonds to his brother to be taken up to the office on the following morning—I believe he said that his Stock-Exchange creditors would naturally call at his office—he did not tell me that his brother had instructions to deliver those bonds to his creditors on the following morning; nothing to that effect—he said that he was going to leave the country, because he did not wish to be declared a defaulter in London—as a matter of fact those bonds were divided amongst the gentlemen who had originally handed them to the prisoner—he did not propose that; he did not oppose it—he gave the bonds up.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> That was for that purpose; that they should be given to the creditors?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Realized for the benefit of the creditors; the proceeds di
<lb/>divided among them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The only case left by the Recorder to the Jury was that of Mr. Heseltine upon the evidence of Mr. Lancey; and as to this, the Jury found that Mr. Lancey gave him, and intended to give him, the ordinary credit of the Stock</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Exchange; that the prisoner knew the cheque to be worthless at the time he gave it; but that Mr. Lancey parted with the bonds on the full belief that the prisoner would pay for them.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">EDWARD BURKE</hi> (20)</persName>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DALEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ORRIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-160" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE MARSHALL</persName> </hi>. I am an engine-driver, at 14, Hendon-street, Pimlico—about 12, on the morning of the 2d December, I had a pint of ale in a public-house in St. Giles; I then left—I had had a drop to drink, but I knew what I was doing; I think I saw the prisoner in the public-house; I could not swear to him—when I got up the street a short distance, he came up to me, collared me, threw me on my back, got my watch in one hand, and had me by the throat with the other—he fell on top of me; I held him tight; he could not get away—I saw my watch in his hand, and the guard was broken into two or three pieces—I called "Police" directly, and a constable came—the prisoner was then in the act of putting the watch in my pocket again—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Where are you a driver?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> At Mr. Smith's, Thames-bank—I left my work at 6 that night—I did not leave home till past 9—I was at my club at a public-house, the White Horse, from 9 to 12—I had no spirits of any kind there—I was in liquor; a little will take effect upon me—there were other people in this public-house where I think I saw the prisoner—I did not see any row; I was not pulled or kicked out; I left of my own accord, quietly—there was no quarrel with me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-161" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BAMPTON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, F</hi> 23). I was on duty this night in the Seven-dials, and heard a cry of "Police"—I went to the spot, and found the 1 prosecutor on his back, and the prisoner on top of him—the prosecutor said, "He has got my watch, "which I saw in his right hand—he had hold of the prosecutor by the throat with his left hand—I seized the prisoner, and pulled him off; we had a struggle; I got some assistance, and took him to the station—I found the watch afterwards in the prosecutor's pocket, put back again—his guard was hanging down.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Had you some difficulty in getting him off the prose
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<interp inst="t18650111-166-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>. **—
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18650111-name-166" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-166" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CORAM</persName> </hi>. I keep a coffee-shop at 8, Drury-lane—on the morning of 4th December, about 1 o'clock, I was awoke by some one going up my stairs—that person had boots on, but he came down without any; in about twenty minutes afterwards I heard the street door shut very gently—the prisoner had been lodging in my house from 5th November up to that time—he slept in the third-floor front room, where the two witness slept who are here</p>
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<p>—the prisoner was in the habit of going up and down stairs without his boots; he had a latch-key—on the night in question he did not sleep at my house—on the 5th he came in about half-past 12 in the morning—I asked him where he bad slept—he said he did not sleep up stairs at all; he slept at a coffee house in Broad-street—he picked up a female, and slept with her, and paid 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for the bed—that house is not three minutes walk from mine—I said, "There is a watch stolen from John Hart, and likewise a watch, and a German silver guard, and 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., from Charles Livermore; two persons who sleep in the same room"—he said he did not know any
<lb/>thing at all about it; he did not sleep in the room—I called the two young men down, and he was given in charge to a constable—the street door is very awkward to open, and likewise the bedroom door; no stranger could open that door without making a tremendous noise, and waking up the other lodgers—the prisoner would know how to open it—it hangs down to the floor; you have to hoist up the handle to lift it on the hinges to open it without noise.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-167" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES LIVERMOKE</persName> </hi>. I am a carman, and lodge at No. 8, Drury-Inane—the prisoner had been in the habit of sleeping in the same room with me; except on the night of the 3d December—I went to bed about twenty minutes to 10 that night—I left my watch in my watch-pocket, folded up in my trousers on the chair, and 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in my purse, also in my pocket—I missed them between 5 and 6 the following morning, and my trousers were on the floor—I also missed a key—my watch was a largish silver one, with a white face—the glass was what they call a double flint, I believe—there was a German silver chain on it, and a split steel ring attached to the chain—I have seen that since—this is the ring (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—there are some private marks on the split which I made myself, and also five marks on my watch—I am positive this is my ring—my watch was worth about 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I know nothing about it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-168" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HART</persName> </hi>. I am a carpenter, and slept in the same room as the prisoner—on Saturday night, 3d December, I hung my watch up at the head of my bed, and covered it with two caps—between 5 and 6 next morning, I missed the watch—I also found a sheet of blotting paper, with which I used to cover my money, moved, and thrown on to my pillow—my watch was a new Geneva—I gave 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. for it.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-169" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY WILLIAMS</persName> </hi>. I am servant at 4, Broad-street, a coffee-house—on Sunday morning, 4th December, I admitted the prisoner and a female—it was between half-past 3 and 4—the prisoner left again about 9, and the female about 10—the house is not far from Mr. Coram's.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-170" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL SQUIRREL</persName> </hi>. I live at 9, Crystal-terrace, Upper Norwood, and am a greengrocer—I know the prisoner—on Sunday, 4th December, about 11 in the morning, he came to my house to pay us a visit—he showed me a silver watch with a white face—I did not examine it minutely—I told him I did not like the click of it—it had a stout curb chain attached to it—he said it was a silver chain—I disputed the point with him, and said I thought it was German silver—he said it was silver, but it was dirty—on the follow
<lb/>ing Monday week a constable came to my house, and I saw my wife hand a split steel ring to him—I had not seen that before, to my knowledge—it was a small watch the prisoner had, an ordinary-sized tradesman's watch, a pretty little watch.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you observe what the glass was? A. An ordinary glass;</p>
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<p>it was not a double flint glass, like mine—I won't say whether it was a Geneva or a lever watch.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-171" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES LIVERMORE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). My watch was larger than this—Hart's was not quite so large as this.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-172" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-172" type="surname" value="HART"/>
<interp inst="t18650111-name-172" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HART</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). Mine was a silver Geneva watch, a smallish one with a flat glass and a white face; it had a second-hand.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi> to
<hi rend="smallCaps">SAMUEL SQUIRRELL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had the watch you saw a second
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I can't speak to that.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-173" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN SQUIRRELL</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Samuel Squirrel—I remem
<lb/>ber the prisoner coming to our house on Sunday morning, 4th December—he had a watch in his waistcoat pocket, which he took out several times during the day—I saw it—he took this ring from a silver guard and gave it to my youngest child—I saw him take it off—I gave that ring to a constable on 12th December.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> When did you see me take that off?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> During the time you sat in the kitchen—you left us about 7 in the evening—at that time you had a watch and a chain round your neck.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-174" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL WANT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, F</hi>, 146). Mrs. Squirrell gave me this ring on 12th December—I apprehended the prisoner on the Sunday night at half-past 12—he had no watch then.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence</hi>, I left a friend over the water, at from 1 to half-past Going home I met a female, and accompanied her to the house in Broad-street. I stopped there till 9 o'clock. I knew my club-money was due, so I went down to Mr. Squirrel's house; he is the secretary of the club I be
<lb/>long to. I know nothing of this robbery.</p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18650111-168-offence-1 t18650111-name-176"/>William Parker</persName>, and stealing from his person 1 watch, 2 chains, and 1 locket, his goods.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. OBRIDGE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution, and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LANGFORD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">the Defence.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-177" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM PARKER</persName> </hi>. I live at East Moulsey—I am not in business there—on 27th December, about 1 o'clock in the afternoon, I was in Bushy Park, going towards Teddington—I met the prisoner—I knew him to be a neigh
<lb/>bour, nothing more—I talked with him, and he turned back with me—we went together to the Adelaide Tavern, Teddington—I asked him what he would have—he said a pint of half-and-half—I gave it to him—we then went into a room, where I saw a person who recognised me, and asked me to taste some purl they were drinking—I did so, and said, "It is very good; we will have a quart"—we stopped there till a little after 6—we then left, and went towards the park—Stone then wanted to go back, and we went back to the Adelaide—he said something to Mr. Hammerton; I did not take any notice of it—I went back—we had very little more to drink; we only stopped a very few minutes—they then went and fetched a policeman to see whether I was right, and the policeman said, "There is nothing at all the matter; I don't consider you want me"—Stone then caught hold of my stick, and said, "Come along, uncle"—I said, "We have come here together, and we will go out together"—he told the others he was going towards my house, he would see me home—after we got some distance into the park I was tripped up—there was nobody else near—I received a blow, had my coat torn open, and my watch, locket, and two chains taken—I said, "Don't do that"—he said, "I can take better care of it than you can"—he left me on the flat of my back, and I never heard anything more of him till the Thurs
<lb/>day morning—he called me "uncle"—we are no relations—I knew him by</p>
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<p>sight, but did not know his name till he told me—these are my things (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) which I lost upon that night—on the 29th I went to the pri
<lb/>soner's house—he said, "How do you do: I am glad to see you"—I looked at him—he said, "Won't you shake hands?"—I said, "Do you know where my property is?"—"Your what" he said, "have you lost your property?"—I said, "I won't ask another question; I will give you a 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. note if you will let me have the property"—he said, "My dear man, I know nothing about it"—I could make nothing of him, and I put it in the hands of the police.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Does Stone live about a hundred yards from your house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I don't know the distance; you may call it a hundred yards—I know now that he has been a soldier—when we met I said, "I know your face, but I don't know your name"—he said, "Mine is a very hard name, it is Stone"—a cabman came to the Adelaide a little after 6—I did not toss with him, that I am aware of; I don't know—I am not aware that I ordered a pint of gin—there was some gin drank during the afternoon—I don't remember falling down when I was with Stone—I did not hear him tell Hammerton and Pope that I had got a watch, and that they had better take care of it for me—they persuaded me to go home in a cab; I told them I could walk home—the policeman said I could walk home by myself—when I went back with Stone into the house there was a rope-mat with a hole in it, and I tripped up there—Pope said he would go home with me if Hammerton would, but he said he had something to do, and could not go—at the time Stone took these things from me I fancied he was going to take care of them, at least not at that time, when I got to the ferry the ferryman asked me whether I had lost my watch, and he said, "That is all light, "and then I believed that it was right—I presume Stone went over that ferry; not with me—we walked under the trees; there are large roots to those trees—this was on the Tuesday—I did not go to the prisoner next day, because from the blow I had on my head, and the purl I had taken, I did not feel exactly competent to turn out—I went to a public-house on the Wednesday night—I saw the prisoner's cousin there then—I went upon the business of the watch.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ORRIDGE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you go in search of Stone on that Wednesday night?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I went in search of his cousin, the ferryman who took me over—when I saw Stone on the Thursday, he did not say anything about taking care of my property—he left me in the park to take care of myself.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-178" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH POPE</persName> </hi>. I am a builder at Teddington—on Tuesday afternoon, 27th December, I was at the Adelaide—I saw Parker and the prisoner there—we all drank purl together there till between 6 and 7—I did not see the prosecutor eave the house the first time—I saw him come back with the prisoner—my friend went to fetch a policeman—he thought the prosecutor could walk, that he was not the worse for drink, and 1 took hold of his arm to lead him part of the way, if my friend would go—he would not go above fifty yards—the prisoner then said he would take him home, and he took him on his way home—the prisoner was sober—the prosecutor knew what he was about—I saw the chain and locket that he was wearing when he left me—I did not know either the prisoner or the prosecutor before—I heard the prisoner call Mr. Parker "Uncle"—I thought he was a relation.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> What time was it that you first saw either of these parties?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Between 1 and 2—I did not hear the prisoner say that Parker was the worse for drink, and had fallen down; I could not hear what he said—I heard Parker positively refuse to go in a cab.</p>
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<interp inst="t18650111-name-179" type="given" value="EDWIN"/>EDWIN HAMMERTON</persName> </hi>. I am a carman, living at Teddington—on 27th December, about 4 o'clock, I was at the Adelaide—Mr. Parker and the pri
<lb/>soner came in—I was drinking some purl—Mr. Parker tasted it, and said he would have a quart of it—Parker and the prisoner left about ten minutes past 6—in about five minutes they came back again—Stone told me he had taken a second thought, he said, "Supposing we get into the park together and I should leave the old b----r there, and somebody comes by and robs him, they will blame it to me"—I said, "Certainly they would"—I after
<lb/>wards went to a policeman who lived four doors from the Adelaide—he came and said the prosecutor was quite able to walk home, and let him go—the prisoner kept calling him "Uncle" all the afternoon—Mr. Pope went about twenty yards with Parker, and then stopped, because he found I would not go—the prisoner then said, "How much will you stand, you old b----r, if I take you home?"—Parker said, "Well, I met you, we came to the Adelaide together; take me home"—they went off towards Bushy-park, Parker wearing the watch and chain, I will swear.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Were you there all the afternoon?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I left for about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—I saw no cab or cabman there—the prisoner did not come back and tell me the prosecutor had fallen down—he refused to go in a cab.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, V</hi> 272). I am stationed at Hampton—on Thursday afternoon, 29th December, the prosecutor came to the station—in consequence of something he said I went the same evening to the pri
<lb/>soner's house with the prosecutor—he asked the prisoner if he would give up the property, and offered him 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to do so—he said, "My dear sir, "or "My good man, I shall be very happy to earn the money and restore the property, but I never saw it, and I know nothing about it whatever"—I said, "Will you give him in custody for stealing the property?"and he said he would—I went back to the house, after taking the prisoner to the station, and searched it, but found nothing relating to the property—there was a box locked in the bedroom—next morning he was taken before Lord Charles Fitzroy, and remanded to the Thames Police-court—on the following morn
<lb/>ing, when he was in the cell, I said to him, "There is a box locked in your bedroom, where is the key?"—he said, "I believe it is on the mantel-piece in the bedroom"—I said, "No, there is no key there"—he said, "Then I must have the key about me"—he felt and found it, and gave it to me—he afterwards said, "I believe, if I am allowed to go with you, I can give you information relative to this property"—I said, "You will not go with me"—he said, "The property you will find in the box, the watch, one chain, and the locket; I only saw one chain"—I said, "There were two chains stolen"—he said, "Yes, two chains"—I afterwards opened the box and found the watch, one chain, and a locket, wrapped up in a piece of flannel—the other chain I found folded up in a pair of gloves in another part of the box—that was on the Friday morning.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoners statement before the Magistrate</hi>:—"I intended to return the watch when I took it, and reserve what else I have to say."</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic"> was recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor, believing that he had been led away by the other prisoner; he promised to take him again into his employ.—
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