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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">CARTER, MAYOR. THIRD SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday January</hi> 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 1860.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—The Right Hon. the
<hi rend="largeCaps">LORD MAYOR</hi>; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">FRANCIS GRAHAM MOON</hi> Knt. Ald.; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT WALTER CARDEN</hi>, Knt Ald.; Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RECORDER</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">CUBITT, M.P</hi>.; Mr. Ald
<hi rend="smallCaps">LAURENCE</hi>, and Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">HALE</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder and the First Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE TAYLOR</hi> (40)</persName>, and
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS JOHN NICKS</hi> (29)</persName>, were indicted for
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<interp inst="t18600102-131-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="theftFromPlace"/> stealing 6 cwt. of bristles, and two casks, value 170
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., the property of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-131-offence-1 t18600102-name-3"/>Joseph Barber</persName> and others, from a quay adjacent to the
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<hi rend="italic">Second Count</hi>, charging Nicks with feloniously receiving the same.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSERS. ROBINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-4" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM CHILD</persName> </hi>. I live at 23, Sebbon-street, Backchurch-lane, and am a shipping foreman at the St. Katharine's Docks—on Saturday, October 22d, I shipped thirty-seven casks of bristles on board a barge called the
<hi rend="italic">Barber</hi>, which belonged to Mr. Spencer, the lighterman—as I shipped those casks, a person of the name of Covington, one of Mr. Spencer's men, received them from me, and I took the numbers in this book—the numbers ran from 72 to 108, both inclusive—this is in my own writing—I did not take notice of the tiers exactly in which they were packed—there were three tiers; as near as I can remember—I cannot recollect which part of the barge was filled first—I took no notice how they were stowed—numbers 86 and 101 were the two last that were shipped—I think they were on the top of the tier.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-5" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD COVINGTON</persName> </hi>. I am a labourer in the service of Mr. Spenocer, a lighterman—on Saturday, 22d October, I recollect loading the barge,
<hi rend="italic">Barber</hi>, with some bristles—I stowed the after part of the barge first—this is a model of the barge (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—there were ten casks in the fore part—five in the bottom tier, three in the next, and two on the top—I do not remember the numbers of the two on the top—they would be the last two put into the barge—there were twenty-seven in the after part—I took them away from the quay—I put the two tarpaulins over them—I took them to the entrance of the dock—I saw the barge on Monday-night, between 5 and 6, safe as I had left it—it was then at Galley-quay—I put some nails in the tarpaulins—Galley-quay and Brewer-quay are all one concern—there is</p>
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<p>Chester-quay, Brewer's-quay, and Galley-quay—they are all in the occupation of Messrs. Barber, and all adjoin each other.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-6" type="given" value="DAVID"/>DAVID FINNIS</persName> </hi>. I am a labourer in the employment of Mr. Spencer, a lighterman—I remember on Monday, 24th October, bringing the barge,
<hi rend="italic">Barber</hi>, from the outer lock, St. Katharine's Dock, to Brewer's-quay—it was about twelve o'clock when I came out of the docks—there was then a tar
<lb/>paulin over a quantity of casks—it was nailed down—I left the barge at Galley-quay—I was on duty there watching until about 2 o'clock on Tuesday-morning—when I left then the barge was in exactly the same state as when I brought it out.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-7" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS HALL</persName> </hi>. I am a labourer in the service of Messrs. Barber of Brewer's-quay—on Tuesday, 25th October, I saw a barge at the dock loading—I first saw it at ten minutes past 8—I began to unload it—I first moved off the tarpaulins—I took off the foremost one first—it appeared to be in a perfectly undisturbed state—there were ten barrels in the front tier—I began to unload that first—the top two would be the first removed in the ordinary course—they would then go on to the quay to the scale to be weighed—the unloading took an hour and a half altogether—there was a stoppage of about a quarter of an hour, in cousequence of the unloading of a cart on the quay.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-8" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES HUNT</persName> </hi>. I am a lighterman in the employment of Mr. Spencer—on Tuesday, 25th October, I was at Brewer's-quay from twenty-minutes to half-past 8 in the morning—I noticed a van there—I took no particular notice of what sort of van it was; it was a four-wheeled van—I did not notice in what state it was, whether it was dirty or clean—it stood about ten yards from the barge,
<hi rend="italic">Barber</hi>—there were some casks on the ground, five or six; they might be three or four feet from the van—I saw two men with the van—to the best of my belief one was Taylor, and the other a man called
<hi rend="italic">Bobby Oddleggs</hi>—I knew him by sight; he was not employed by Mr. Spencer; I believe he is a carman—I afterwards went to the premises of Messrs. Best and Sons, in Henrietta-street, Cavendish-square, and saw a van there—I cannot say whether that was the van that I had seen on the Tuesday morning, at the wharf—it was a four-wheeled van—when I went to Messrs. Best's premises, I tried the height of the van with regard to my dress; I thought it corresponded too high with the one I saw in the quay—when I was at the wharf on this Tuesday morning I should have caught my dress against this van if I had not moved on one side—I did not catch it—it was in consequence of that I tried the height of the van when I saw it at Messrs. Best's premises—I thought it was too high.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You thought the van was higher than the van you had seen on the quay?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-9" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES SAUNDERS</persName> </hi>. I am a foreman in the service of Messrs. Barber at Brewer's-quay—I produce my delivery book—I find on 25th October an entry in my writing of the delivery of 10 baskets of mineral water by me to Mr. Best—I enter in this the goods that I deliver out the same evening; this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the delivery order—twenty-six appear to have been delivered on the 25th October—this is my own writing—I delivered ten by myself, and other men belonging to our firm delivered the rest—there is an entry here in my handwriting of the number delivered altogether that day—it was twenty-six hampers—I delivered ten by the men; the men delivered them—I did not see Taylor there on that day—my men delivered them while I was attending to another job—I saw the cart; it was Mr. Best's, as</p>
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<p>far as I could recollect, without looking at the name—I had seen the cart before.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you able to state about what time in the day it was?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About 2, I should say, or between 2 and 3.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-10" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BEST</persName> </hi>. I am a member of the firm of William Best and Sons, 22, Henrietta-street, Cavendish-square—Taylor was in our employment as a carman—in October we had a large quantity of mineral water at Brewer's-quay—I gave directions to Taylor to cart some of it away—he brought the tirst lot away on 20th October—this is the order—he brought three or four loads on that day—on Tuesday, 25th October, he brought three loads away—I did not see him on that morning until after his return from the city, which was between half-past 10 and 11—that was his first load from the quay—he continued to work for us from Tuesday the 25th till the following Mouday, the 31st—on the Tuesday-morning he did not come to his employ—I expected him on that day, as usual—he did not come, but I received this, letter, which I believe to be in his writing—I think I received it on the, Wednesday—(
<hi rend="italic">Read:</hi> "1/11/59. Dear Sir, I humbly crave your forgiveness for absenting myself from your business, but through lending myself in an affair, not knowing the liability I put myself in, I hope you will forgive me, your humble and obedient servant, G. Taylor"—
<hi rend="italic">addressed</hi>, "W. Best and Sou, 22, Henrietta-street, Cavendish-square")—My van is not a large one it is a four-wheeled one, with one horse—Taylor had been in my employment about two years—he had 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a week wages, and his lodgings over the stable—I remember the witness Hunt coming to look at a van at my premises—that was the same van that Taylor used to cart those things.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">for Taylor</hi>).
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say you saw Taylor between half-past 10 and 11; do you mean that he was then coming in with the first load?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, it was about that time that he would arrive—during the two years he has been with us he has borne a good character; we have had no fault during the two years—he was trusted with a good deal of property—he was the man that did all our city work—he did not come from Priestley's to us—he was out of employ when we took him—I did not go to Messrs. Priestley for a character—I knew he had been in their employment—I do not know how long—I do not know that he was there fifteen years.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You do not know under what circumstance he left, perhaps?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Well, I have heard.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-11" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN EDWARDS</persName> </hi>. I am an assistant in the examining floor of the silk department at Brewer's-quay—I have known Taylor twenty years—on 25th October, I happened to be half-an-hour over my time and as I was going across Tower-hill I saw Taylor going in the direction of Postern-row—from the direction he was in he must have come from Thames-street—Postern
<lb/>row would be in the direction of the Minories—he had a cart with two casks in it, like bristle casks—I have since been to Messrs. Moses' place in Leadenhall-street and seen a number of casks—they were shewn to me by a gentleman in the firm; they did not shew me the casks, but I went round and round the warehouse, for there was a great number of casks, and I picked out some casks similar to those that I saw in Taylor's cart—it was a two-wheeled cart, because it made me make a remark when I met with him—I said "Hallo, George! what, have you got in your old trade again as a carman?" and he said "Yes, sir"—he then went on towards Postern—row, and I went to my place of business—I should say this was very near upon half-past 8 o'clock in the morning.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know Brewer's-quay?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I have known it twenty-seven years—I should say the cart was not a hundred yards from Brewer's-quay.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I believe Brewer's-quay is between the Tower and the Custom-house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It is at the further end of Thames-street, coming on Tower-hill—it is near the Tower-stairs, from Thames-street.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-12" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES COOPER</persName> </hi>. I am a traveller in the employment of Messrs. Moses, Brothers, 57, Leadenhall-street, bristle merchants—I have known Taylor for some time as the foreman of Mr. Priestley, who used to do our work, and does now—I know a person of the name of Richardson—he called at our premises on Wednesday, October 26th—I did not see him when he called, but he had left two samples of bristles—I saw him afterwards on that day—he left this card (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—he represented himself by this card to be the traveller of Mr. Nicks—I do not know whether the card was afterwards given to Mr. Thorold—when I saw Richardson he produced two samples of bristles, which had been left some little time previous—he took those samples away with him—we asked him to leave them, but he would not—they were tied up with bark—they were tied up similar to this bundle (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), with the exception that the bark was on instead of having slipped off—the bark was perfect round the bottom—it goes round the bottom—both these bindings were bark—it was twisted bark at the bottom—the samples of bristles that Richardson had, were Mammontoff bristles—they come from St. Petersburg—the German bristles are tied with string, not with bark; that is the generality of them—the Polish are tied with bark; they are sometimes classed with the German—their value depends entirely on the quality of the bristles—the Russian will fetch the highest price; the best sort—this description of bristle, the same as the samples that Richardson had, would be more readily saleable with bark on than with string—being tied with string would deteriorate them from 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per cwt. in the sale—Edwards did not come and see the casks in my presence—according to what we have given, the price of the white bristles would be about 35
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per cwt.—the others, the grey, are worth from 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 17
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—those (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are what I mean by grey—the price of three cwt, would be 105
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>—three cwt. of the grey at 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. would be 48
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">for Nicks.</hi>)
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I understood you to say that when these bristles were brought to you the bark was round them?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—we were invited to purchase articles that had the indication on them of being Russian bristles—the bark does slip if a good deal pulled about, not otherwise; they do not slip in the casks—if turned out of the cask or in bulk, half-a-dozen bundles might slip—I do not see what the reason would be for fastening them up with string after having been shewn with the bark around them—we are one of the principal dealers in the trade—we are very large dealers—the market is not at times heavily stocked with this commodity, nor is there at other times a dearth of it—it is a regular trade—in sending the article to us, they would perfectly well know it was being sent to persons who well knew the article and its value, as well, I should say, as anybody in London—I think there are five or six dealers in this description of article—I believe that the quantity brought over and the quality of the article is pretty well known to all us dealers—they are generally imported by ourselves—this very article might have been imported by ourselves, and I believe it was—Mr. Matthews, who purchased some of these articles, is also a large dealer, one of tho largest in London—I have seen the whole bulk of these bristles,</p>
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<p>with the exception of the two casks; we have got the remainder in our own warehouse—the quality would not vary; they would pretty well be the same one year as another—there have not been any sales lately of that quality of bristle to my knowledge.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is Mr. Matthews precisely in the same line of business as yourselves, or does he manufacture them?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> His brother manufactures bristles, but not he; he is only a dealer the same as ourselves—Matthews, Brothers, is the firm—this brother that manufactures them is not a partner in that firm, he is a distinct one altogether—he does not carry on his business at the same place.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-13" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES THOROLD</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Moses and Son, of Leadenhall-street—on 27th October, in consequence of information, I went to Nicks in Worship-street, and took this card with me—I asked ldm why his traveller had net been respecting the bristles he had offered us previously—he said, "Well, the fact is I had a better offer for them"—I told him he had offered the bristles to us, and he must stand by his bargain—he said that he thought his traveller was going to make a mess of it, and was going to cheat him in some way to make something by him—he mentioned Richardson as his traveller—I had not mentioned any name—I only said his traveller—he said that if we would give 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per cent, more than we were going to give, we should have them in spite of his traveller—I was to go back to Messrs. Moses to see whether they would do so, and to hasten my coming back he would pay cab hire and give me 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for myself—this was between 1 and 2 o'clock—I went back, had a conversation with Messrs. Moses, went back to Nicks, and told him we should take them, but he ought to let us have them at the same price as his traveller's friend was to have them at—he said, "We cannot, because we are under obligations to him"—he did not tell me the name of the traveller's friend—I asked Nicks for a memorandum, and he gave me this contract—(
<hi rend="italic">This was dated October </hi>27
<hi rend="italic">th, </hi>1859
<hi rend="italic">, and signed by Nicks, stating the sale of the bristles at </hi>16
<hi rend="italic">l. and </hi>22
<hi rend="italic">l. net wish, and that they were to be fetched away within one hour, or the contract to be null and void</hi>)—I asked him why he wanted them away so quickly—he said that if we did not take them away, his traveller's friend would come and fetch them away, and we should not get them—I asked him for some samples which he had in his hand and which had bark round them—he said, "No, they must go with the bulk"—he offered to show me them up stairs, but I said I knew nothing about them—as I went out I saw two of his carts loading at the door, and said, "If you are in such a hurry to send them away, send your cart with them."—he said, "No, I always like parties to take them away themselves"—as I was leaving he said, "You will bring the money for them, of course?"—I said, "I cannot do that as I do not know the quantity"—he said. "Well then, you can bring a blank cheque"—I told him that Messrs. Moses would not allow me to fill up a blank cheque, but I would bring him 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on account—he said, "I will give you that which I promised you"—he said that it was the first transaction we had had, and he dare say it would not be the last—when I get to Messrs. Moses they declined taking them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did he want the money to be paid before the goods went out of his premises?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I offered 16
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 22
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. by Messrs. Moses's orders; they wanted to get them 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. under the price, of course.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-14" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES MATTHEWS</persName> </hi>. I am in partnership with my brother at 138, Upper Thames-street, as bristle merchants—I have another brother in the same trade in the same street—on 22d October a person named Richardson called</p>
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<p>on me about noon, I think, and presented a card and a bundle of white and a bundle of grey bristles—they were tied up with bark, and I never saw any like them before—he afterwards left and took the samples with him—he returned again about 3 o'clock, or a little before, and in consequence of what he said I accompanied him to Nicks' premises in Worship-street—he went to the counting-house and brought Nicks out, and introduced him to me as having come to look at the bristles—Nicks requested me to go up stain and he would follow—I went up with Richardson to the first floor, and found a quantity of bristles arrauged in piles on the floor, tied up in bundles with bark, to the best of my recollection—a man and a girl were engaged in tying up some loose bristles in a small heap on the floor, which had broken—there were some loose barks with the bristles, but whether they tied them with bark or string I do not know—Nicks was in the room; he followed me up—either he or Richardson replied that the bristles had been packed in bags and some of them had become loose in carriage—I said, "That is a very unusual way of packing bristles, in bags"—he said that he suspected the parties who sent them to him were not accustomed to pack bristles—Nicks said that he had formerly sold bristles on his journeys; shoemakers' bristles, I think he said—they are the most expensive kind, and sometimes sell as high as 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a pound—the man and the girl handled them very badly, and I said, "It fidgets me to see them handle them in that way," and took a bundle up and tied it myself to show them how to tie them up—there were about three hundredweight of each kind of bristles in the room—Nicks then went down stairs; I followed him and asked him if he could not take some
<lb/>thing less for the grey bristles—(Richardson had mentioned the price)—he said no, and that Messrs. Moses would take them at the price he asked—I agreed to take them at 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per hundredweight for the grey, and 21
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the white, subject to 2 1/2 discount for cash, and an allowance of 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. a pound for those which had been retied and which were loose in the room—he engaged to send them home either that afternoon or the next morning—I said that we closed at 5 o'clock, and he might send them before then or next day—I went there about 3 and left about a quarter of an hour afterwards—about half-past 10 next morning Richardson brought them in a cart with this invoice—(
<hi rend="italic">This was made out in ilie name of T. J. Nicks, for</hi> 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.)—I gave Richardson a cheque for 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and crossed it "City Bank," as I understood from Richardson that that was Nicks' bank—the bristles were tied up with string, except one bundle, which was tied with bark like this—this weighs something less than one pound—on Monday, 31st October, one of our people opened some of the bundles, and some of these labels (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) were found in some of those which had been retied; they were evidently accidentally tied up with the loose bristles; here is the name of Memantoff on it—the officers first came to our place, I think, on the Tuesday—Ray came first to make enquiries—I gave the officers the bristles either on Tuesday or Wednesday, and they took them all away.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were they weighed at your premises?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> They were re-weighed—I should think the string weighed rather more than the bark—they were brought in a cart, tightly packed in baskets—I consider the price a fair one—I am a very large dealer—I had never seen this particular kind of bristle before, but I knew that they had been fetching a high price, which I think was beyond the value—I think if he had asked 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. a hundredweight more I should have declined them on account of the price—I do not consider them of any
<lb/>thing like the value which has been put upon them by the prosecutor—I</p>
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<p>have been in the trade some thirty years, and have been six times to St. Petersburg buying bristles—these are got up differently to any I ever saw in my life; each bundle is sent with a printed label—Nicks is not, I believe, a bristle merchant—this is a description of article which a person not in the trade would not know the value of—there was no concealment in the transaction between me and Nicks, or anything to excite my suspicion, or I should not have purchased the bristles—the sample I first saw had bark round it—my attention was first called to their having string round them by our warehouseman—I should not have paid a larger price, because there was bark round them and not string, unless they weighed more in consequence; but there is a certain value on marketable goods in good condition, though that would not effect the value of the bristles themselves—the sample tied with bark would be a sufficient indication of the manner in which they were originally tied, and I have no doubt that the bulk was originally tied with bark, and to the best of my, knowledge they had bark round them when I saw the bulk, but I cannot positively state—I had never seen Nicks before, but his traveller called on me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is Nicks's a large warehouse?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; it is a place where I should not have expected to find stolen goods—an extensive business is carried on there—there is the name on the door and an address at Liverpool as well.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When you went on the afternoon of the 27th, you believe they were bound with balk?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; but when they came next day they were all bound with string, except one bundle—I think that string would be heavier than bark—I do not think there was a tie of bark And a tie of string on the same bundle; that would have struck me at once—German bristles come tied with string—I found, perhaps, five or six labels.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-15" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-15" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES THOROLD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined.</hi>) I was present when Edwards came to look at the casks of bristles at Messrs. Moses—he saw some of the thirty five casks by the ship
<hi rend="italic">Cossack</hi>—I do not know the numbers of those thirty
<lb/>five casks—I know where they came from.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> By the bill of lading—that is not here—I never saw a Mainmoutoff cask before—I have got some casks now with Mammontoff bristles in them.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-16" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-16" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-16" type="surname" value="RAY"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-16" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK RAY</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Messrs. Spencer, lightermen—on Tuesday morning, October 25th, about twenty minutes past 10—I counted the casks of bristles from the barge,
<hi rend="italic">Barber</hi>—there were thirty-five, and the officials said that two were missing—I did not notice the numbers then—I made inquiries respecting the missing casks, and, in consequence of informa
<lb/>tion, went to Nicks's place in Worship-street—I had two inspectors outside—I saw Nicks, aud asked him if Mr. Beattie was in—that is one of his travellers—he said that he was not—I said I understood that he had some bristles for sale, and had shown two samples on the Corn Market—Nicks said that he had sold them that morning—I asked him how many he had sold, and what the weight was—he said ten or twelve hundredweight—I asked him what price he had sold them at—he said about 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>—I then came out and saw Major and Dyer—further inquiry was made on the same day, and I went to Messrs. Moses—I did not go to Mr. Matthews' till the 31st—after leaving Nicks, I went to the Corn Market and saw his traveller, Mr. Beattie—I had some conversation with him, and went down to Brewer's-quay—Mr. Thorold came there, at 4 o'clock or a few minutes afterwards, and from information I received, I went to Moses and obtained this contract (
<hi rend="italic">prochtcect</hi>)—it has the name of Richardson on the back—on 8th</p>
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<p>November, I saw Taylor at the Wapping police-station—I had known him some years before by sight—he said, "It is a bad job;" I said, "It is"—he said he had never seen the bristles except two or three bundles at Nicks's place, loose: that he was guilty to a certain extent, having received money for them as his commission, and that Nicks came up to his place on the morning of the 31st, and said that he bought them of him (
<hi rend="italic">Taylor</hi>) as be could not get out of it, or could not help it—on coming away I said, "Is there any thing particular you wish to say to me?"—he said, "Nothing parti
<lb/>cular; it will all come out when I am brought up"—I saw him afterwards, but he made no remark—I produce one of the samples—it was taken from the bulk at my request.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were not his words "Having received some money for the carriage of them?"
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; "Having received some money as my commission for them"—I did not put down the words in writing—I made this memorandum (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) of the conversation two days after, or it might have been the third or fourth evening—it was not all written at the same time—I wrote it when I could find time—this, which is headed November 8th, I wrote two or three days after the 8th—I did not get a copy of the depositions and copy them—I did not see a copy—I wrote this after I had given my evidence—no one told me to write this—if I had had nothing else to think of I should not have wanted to put it down—the first day I was examined at the Mansion-house was, I think, the 4th November—I was examined as to Taylor on the 10th—I put this down two or three days after the examination—I never saw a copy of the depositions in my life, and do not know what it is—I saw reporters at the Mansion-house, but did not see what they wrote—I had not a news
<lb/>paper by me when I wrote this—I had seen a newspaper.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you write this latter part?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I cannot tell you within a day or two—I cannot say whether I wrote the whole of this page at the same time—I had it under my blotting paper for two or three days, and then I put it in my pocket—I did not tell Nicks who I was—he did not know that I had anything to do with the bristles, and I did not wish that he should know—I took good care that he did not.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was the bundle that was taken out of the bulk, like this?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> With the exception of the string being off the foot of it, it is as when it was taken out.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-17" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-17" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-17" type="surname" value="DYER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-17" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY DYER</persName> </hi>. I am an inspector of the Thames-police. On Monday, 31st October, I went with inspector Major, to the premises of Mr. Nicks, in Worship-street, about 2 o'clock in the day—I saw Nicks—Major addressed him in my presence; told him that we were two inspectors of police, and asked him if he had bought any bristles—Mr. Nicks replied that he had—Major asked him about what weight, and he said about five hundredweight and a half—Major asked him what he gave for them—Nicks replied 51
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he asked him if he had sold them? Nicks said that he had sold them to Mr. Matthews for 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and some odd shillings—he said he had bought them about last Monday or Tuesday—Major asked if he knew the man he had bought them off—I did not hear what Nicks said in answer to that; he replied, "If you will wait until 3 o'clock, my young man will be in, and he will tell you all about it; I want to go away to get a cheque cashed"—he went away—he had a piece of paper with him; I don't know whether it was a cheque or not—before he went away, iuspector Major asked him if he had got any entry, in any book, of the transaction—Mr.</p>
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<p>Nicks replied that he had not—nothing was said about a bill to my know
<lb/>ledge—it was about twenty minutes to 3 when Nicks went out from his couuting-house—Major and I remained there until he returned; that was about twenty minutes'past 3—he returned with the gentleman sitting there, his solicitor I believe—in the course of conversation that gentleman said, "It does not look a bnsiness—like thing not to have an entry in any book;" and he said "If you know the man's name, why not tell the officers?"—Nicks then said, "His name is Taylor; I don't know his address, but if you will call to-morrow morning at 11 o'clock, I will give it to you"—Mr. Nicks's young man had not come in, and Mr. Nicks said he supposed he was out
<hi rend="italic">on the drink</hi>—Major and I went next morning at 11 o'clock, and saw Mr. Nicks, and he then gave us the address of "George Taylor, 49, Windmill-street, Wimpole-street, Cavendish-square"—this is the paper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—we went direct from Mr. Nicks's premises to that address—we could not find Taylor there—he lived there, but, from inquiries we made, he had been out very early that morning—we went several times that day, and the following day or two also, but could not find him—on Thursday, 3d November, I went again to Nicks's premises about half-past I—I told him I had come upon an unpleasant affair—I had come to take him into custody for receiving six hundredweight of bristles, knowing them to be stolen—he replied, "It is a bad job; I have expected it—I know no more about it than what I have told you: have you got Taylor?" I said "No we have not, for we believe he has absconded"—I took him into custody—on the way to the station I cautioned him that whatever he said might be used in evidence against him—he said he had known Taylor for the last fifteen years—next day, as we were going to the Mansion House, he either said, "I would sooner have given 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. than this should have happened,"or" I would sooner hare given 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. than I should have been taken"—on 8th November this letter was received from Nicks at the police-station—I did not receive it or read it—in consequence of directions from Superintendant Evans, I went to Nicks's premises on the 8th—Taylor was then in custody—I did not see Nicks at hh premises that evening—I saw him on the morning of the 9th—Nicks said to me, "Oh you have got him."—I said "Who?"—he said "Taylor"—I said "Oh yes"—he said, "I wanted to give you a little information; where waa he taken; at Islington? as not he?" I said "Yes"—Nicks said, "Did he say anything?"—I said "That is a question I can't answer you,"—that was all that passed at that interview; he did not give me any information—when I went the second time, on the 9th, I did not take a letter with me.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> But you knew, did you not, that a letter had come from Nicks?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I was told so, but I did not know it for a fect—I did not see the person myself—I don't believe Evans saw him—I think Mr. Ray saw him—I won't be positive, but I think he did—either Mr. Ray or the constable Donovan saw the messenger come with the letter—when the mes
<lb/>senger came Taylor had been in custody two hours—Major asked him (Nicks) if he had an entry of the transaction in any book, and he said "No"—I adhere to that—he did not reply, "I have a cheque in my hand I want to get cashed, and if you will let me, my young man will be in at three o'clock, if you will call again"—I swear that—I did not search his premises for his books, no more did Inspector Major—the books on the premises were not taken—no examination was made of them—Major was not there when I took him in custody—I never heard him say that he had got Taylor's ad
<lb/>dress somewhere but could not find it. I will not swear he did not say so or that he did, neither one or the other—I never have done so.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-18" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-18" type="surname" value="MAJOR"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-18" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT MAJOR</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>). I had some conversation with Nicks—I recollect his saying something about Taylor's ad
<lb/>dress, he said he had got it somewhere, but he could not find it then—I asked him whether he had an entry of the transaction in any book or any bill, and he said, "I have a cheque in my hand I want to get cashed, and if you will let me, my young man will be in at three o'clock, if you will call again;" that was exactly what he said.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> He at no time denied that he had no entry in his books?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-19" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-19" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-19" type="surname" value="DONOVAN"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-19" type="given" value="JEREMIAH"/>JEREMIAH DONOVAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Thames-policeman</hi>). I took Taylor in custody on Tuesday 8th November between one and two o'clock, in Rodney-street Clerkenwell—I told him I was a police constable, and I wanted him—he said "What is it for?"—I said "you know what it is for"—he said "No I do not,"—I said "For the bristle affair"—he said "I think you are quite right, I meant to have given myself up on Saturday last"—I took him to the station and charged him—I do not know anything about a letter being written by Nicks.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-20" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-20" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-20" type="surname" value="EVANS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-20" type="given" value="JAMES CHRISTOPHER"/>JAMES CHRISTOPHER EVANS</persName> </hi>. I am the superintendant of the Thames Police—on 8th November the prisoner Taylor was brought to the police-station in custody—I said, "Taylor, you are apprehended for this charge in consequence of Nicks having told the officers that he bought the bristles of you"—he said "Well, I sold him the bristles, but not for myself; I sold them on commission for another person"—I said "Are you disposed to say who that person is?" he said "No; it is not likely"—I said "Very well then, you must be charged on suspicion of stealing them," and the charge was taken—this letter was handed to me at the police-station on 8th November by one of the officers—that was after Taylor was in custody—in consequence of that letter I gave some directions to Dyer—I do not know how long Taylor had been in custody when I received the letter.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you examined at the police-court?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I was not—I sent word to the solicitor for the prosecution on the morning of the examination that if I was wanted I would attend—and the answer was that I should he subpÅ“naed—I did not cross-examine the man—the prosecutor was present—he did not wish to charge the man if he was an innocent agent in any person's hand—being a carman, he thought he might have been employed, and if he had told by whom he was employed, he was not disposed to charge him—I have never made any en
<lb/>quiries about the man called
<hi rend="italic">Oddlegs</hi>; I have never heard his name mentioned until now.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-21" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-21" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-21" type="surname" value="SAYER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-21" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD SAYER</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Messrs. Barber of Brewers-quay—he has two partners.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you know anything about the way in which business is couducted at that quay;
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; when goods are required to be taken away, there is a delivery order—a foreman is employed to see the goods delivered; he is in attendance now.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-22" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-22" type="surname" value="HILL"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-22" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS HILL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I do not know how many casks were landed from the barge—I did not keep a tally of them—there were ten casks in the fore part; I did not count how many there were in the other part—I saw all that were in the barge unloaded—I can only swear to what we found before the beam; I can't swear to what was abaft the beam—I know all were unloaded.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-23" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-23" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>FREDERICK RAY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I counted thirty-five casks of bristles that</p>
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<p>were landed out of the
<hi rend="italic">Barber</hi>—I did not see them landed—I looked all over the quay and did not find any others—I did not look at the numbers.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A great many witnesses deposed to Nicks' good character.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">TAYLOR</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-131-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NICKS</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-131-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-131-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18600102-131-punishment-1" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-131-18600102 t18600102-131-punishment-1"/>Confined Twelve Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Monday, January</hi> 2
<hi rend="italic">nd</hi>, 1860.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—Mr. Ald. Hale; Mr. Ald. Abbiss; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">SERJEANT</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fourth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MARTIN ZUCHRYTA</hi> (66)</persName>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-132-offence-1 t18600102-name-25"/>Jonas Chaplin</persName>, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LANGFORD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-26" type="given" value="AARON"/>AARON BATZYONSKI</persName> </hi>. I am a native of the kingdom of Poland—the prisoner came over with me in 1832—he can speak English very well.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You have known him a long time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; he bears the character of a kind, quiet, humane man; an honest good natured man—he lost his wife three or four years ago—he was for some time in a low desponding state—he sometimes complained of a pain in his head, and is not like the same man in his manner and behaviour.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-27" type="given" value="JONAS"/>JONAS CHAPLIN</persName> </hi>. I am a coal-merchant and live in Cambridge-terrace—on 23d November, about 5 o'clock in the evening, I was in the Wiltshire beer-house and saw the prisoner there—I did not notice whether he was there when I went in—I took up a newspaper and began to talk to some persons there—the prisoner accosted me and asked me about the probability of a war between France and England—I asked him what country he came from—he said he was a German—I asked him how long he had been in Eng
<lb/>land; he said many years—I asked him whether he liked this country better than Germany; he said "Yes; Germany is a low unhealthy country"—he asked me what religion I was, I said a Protestant—he said he was a Catholic, and he extended his hand to an old gentleman, Mr. Stoner—he asked me to drink, and asked me to read the paper—I said I could not—it was getting rather dark—he said if I could not read it he would give it to some one that could, and went back to the party he was drinking with—I then bid him good night—he said "No, don't go yet"—he backed himself against the door, and said, "Don't go yet, have another glass of ale"—I said "No, I won't take any more"—I looked at him and went and sat down in front of the window—nothing more passed between us—I saw the newspaper at my feet; I took it up and found it was the Telegraph—I was holding it up before me, and the prisoner deliberately stepped from the door and stabbed me in the abdomen and in the chest—I was not aware that I was stabbed—I thought I was struck, but he left the knife sticking in my chest—I got up and said, "You old villain, what do you mean by striking me like thist"—he made no answer but went away—this is the knife—it went through the newspaper and through my trousers and shirt—I had not given him the slightest provocation—I spoke to my friend, and was taken to the London Hospital.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you quite recovered?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not quite—I had given the prisoner no provocation—we talked about a war and the probability of it; nothing more than anybody might have spoken about.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-28" type="given" value="SAMUEL"/>SAMUEL HURLIN</persName> </hi>. I reside in Hackney-road—on 23d November, I was in the Wiltshire beer-house—I saw the prisoner there—I did not see him do anything, only he asked me to drink—when he left the room, I followed him and gave him into custody—he did not say a word—he tried to get away.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-29" type="given" value="JOHN CLEWIN"/>JOHN CLEWIN GRIFFITH</persName> </hi>. I am house-surgeon at the London Hospital—I was there on 23d November—Mr. Chaplin was brought there between 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening—he had a wound in the abdomen about half an inch long—it was not probed, as that might have been an injury—it is impossible to say how deep it was—it was likely to have been produced by this knife—he was also stabbed in the breast, but the weapon had been stopped by the breast-bone—he has recovered from the wounds.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-30" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT TYLER</persName> </hi>. I am a writer, and live at 32, St. John's-terrace Hackney-road—I was in the room at the Wiltshire beer-house in front of the bar, and saw Mr. Chaplin reading a newspaper—the prisoner deliberately rushed to him and stabbed him, first in the abdomen and then in the chest—the knife was left sticking in the chest; Mr. Chaplin himself got it out—I took charge of the knife and the newspaper—there was not the slightest provocation given to the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS KEANE</hi> (49)</persName>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ELIZABETH SPARKES</hi> (23)</persName>
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<join result="offenceCrimeDate" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-134-offence-1 t18600102-cd-2"/>22d December</rs>; to both which she</rs> </p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-134-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.**—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-134-18600102 t18600102-134-punishment-5"/>Six Months more on the second</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN DERRY</hi> (27)</persName> and
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-35" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-35" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-35" type="given" value="ESTHER"/>ESTHER WILCOX</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the Globe public-house—on Tuesday evening, 13th December, the prisoners came between 7 and 8 o'clock—Derry asked for a pot of stout and put down half-a-crown to pay for it—I examined the half-crown and broke it with my teeth—I told Derry it was bad, he said "You are a liar"—he asked me to give it him back which I refused to do—I kept it in my hand till my master came down, and the prisoners were given in custody—I gave the half-crown to the policeman—I had seen the prisoners once or twice before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were they quite sober?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; they had come in about an hour before and had a pot of beer; another man paid for the beer on that occasion—a great many come there to take beer.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Derry. Q.</hi> We had four pots of stout and a quartern of rum?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No you did not.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-36" type="given" value="LOUISA"/>LOUISA GARLAND</persName> </hi>. I live at the Union Arms, Union-court, Holborn—on the evening of 13th December, I saw the prisoners between 6 and 7 o'clock, in the bar at the Union Arms—they came in together—Derry asked for a pot of beer and put down a half-crown—I said it was bad; he said it was not, and tried to bite it—Burke looked at it and said it was bad; Deny said it was not, for if it was he could break it with bis teeth, for he could break iron—they took the half-crown away—I don't know which</p>
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<p>took it—it was one of King George IV—it was not the one that was afterwards uttered by them—another man was called in who paid for the beer—I had tried the half-crown with my teeth—I am satisfied it was bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Derry. Q.</hi> We had three pots of beer?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, you and another man—I did not see you show the half-crown round to the persons who were there.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-37" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD GILBERT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi>, 230). I was on duty in Holborn on 13th December—about 20 minutes before 7 o'clock in the evening I saw the prisoners together at the Crown and Horse-shoe public-house at the corner of Bartlett's-bnildings—Derry went into the house and Burke stood outside—in about 5 minutes Derry came out, and they had some little conversation—I watched them to the end of Union-court and then went back to the Crown and Horse-shoe—I went to the Globe and took the prisoners in custody.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-38" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES HILL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi> 210). I went to the Globe and took the prisoners—I received this half-crown from the bar
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-39" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of coin to 'the Royal Mint—this half-crown is bad.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ELLIS</hi> and
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOYLE</hi>
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<hi rend="italic">senior</hi>). I was formerly an inspector of police—I am now in the service of the Mint—on 13th December I went to 16, Little Warner-street with inspector Briant and other constables, about 3 o'clock in the afternoon—I found the street door open—I went up to the first floor, forced the door open, went in the room and found the female prisoner sitting by a clear bright fire drawing her hand from a bag which hung by the fireplace; she put her left hand to the fire on which this iron spoon was placed with molten metal in it, and this
<hi rend="italic">get</hi> was in it as it now appears—I seized her by the shoulder, and she said, "Oh Mr. Brannan"—I said, "Well Mr. Pomeroy, we have come to pay you a visit"—she said, "I have been driven to this by
<hi rend="italic">Joe</hi>; I never knew anything about this until he taught me; you knew me when I was a little girl, before I was married: he drove me and my little gifl to it, who is now in Colney Hatch, I never knew anything about it till he taught me"—at that time she called a little boy from an adjoining room and said to him, "Fetch.
<hi rend="italic">Joe</hi> from the beer shop over the way"—I then instructed a sergeant to go and take Pomeroy in custody—I searched the room, and in the bag alluded to I found a plaster of Paris mould for casting sixpences quite hot, and a piece on cloth forming a pad—on the table I found three counterfeit sixpences quite hot (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—on the same table I found a galvanic battery jar containing a solution of acid, and a file with white metal in its teeth—I found a knife with plaster of Paris adhering to it, and this piece of glass in the cupboard with plaster of Paris adhering to it—this is the pad—it was rolled up for the purpose of holding a mould—it is impossible to hold it in the bare hand—I went to the cupboard and found a galvanic battery
<lb/>plate, three pieces of copper wire which had been dipped in solution, some plaster of Paris in powder, two tins containing black composi
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<hi rend="italic">Joe</hi>, I have instructions from the authorities of the Mint to pay you a visit"—he said, "You know I was not convicted the last time"—I said, "Whether you ought not to have been is another thing, for you have had a pretty long run"—he said, "You were never clever enough to get me to
<hi rend="italic">rights</hi>"—I said, "If you are not to
<hi rend="italic">rights</hi> now as you call it, you may be some day"—what he meant by being to
<hi rend="italic">rights</hi> was, that I had not been clever enough to get evidence to get him convicted—he made a rush at the table on which I had placed all the things—he was pulled back, placed on the landing again, and searched by Brannan and Evans—he said in my hearing, "I will be upon my oath, I have not been in the room since a little before 1 o'clock to day."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you quite sure he was in the room at all?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was; and if I had not held the table he would have turned it over—I am quite sure it was not another person—Moody attempted to get in but was kept back—this woman has been tried before with this man, and the man was acquitted—I believe the acquittal was because a character was given to him by some persons who do not knot him so well as I do.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police-inspector</hi>). I went with Brannan and saw the female prisoner apparently near a bag—she had been sitting and was half up—I saw Brannan take from the bag a plaster of Paris mould quite hot and wrapped in wrappers—I saw him take some sixpences from the table; they were quite warm—I saw him find the jar, and file, and other articles—I took the female prisoner, and found in her pocket a piece of silk tied in a knot with two good sixpences in it—at that time the male prisoner was brought in, he broke away from sergeant Brannan, rushed into the room and said, "Hallo, Mr. Brannan, what are you doing in my room?"—the female prisoner said, "O,
<hi rend="italic">Joe</hi>, why did you not come when I sent for you?"—he replied, "Do you think I was coming in here when I knew what was up?"—the woman then said to Mr. Brannan, "You know I have had twelve months at the Old Bailey all through this man," meaning her husband; "and eight months at Maldstone; it was all through him, and he wan acquitted: I was obliged to do this to find him in money, or else he was always knocking me about"—I found this book on the mantelpiece in the room, and the man said, "That is my rent book, I occupy two rooms; you will find my rent all paid up to the last three weeks."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-44" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-44" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRANNAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, G</hi> 21). I accompanied Brannan and the constables to 16, Little Warner-street—I went to Moody's beer-shop, which is directly opposite the house—I saw a little boy, who had been sent by Mr. Pomeroy to the beer shop, coming away from the door—I went in but I did not find Pomeroy at once—I saw Mr. Moody, the beer-shop keeper—I asked him for Pomeroy—he said he did not know such a person—I went in and found Pomeroy in a water-closet in a yard in the back premises—the door was shut—I opened the door and said, "Well, Mr. Pomeroy, what did you run away for"—he said, "Well, I should be a d—d fool to stop, knowing what was up"—I said, "Then I suppose I need not tell you we have got your wife, Mr. Pomeroy, in custody for coining; you had better come over and be present at the search"—he said, "No, I shall not; I was not in the room at the time, therefore you can't make out a case against me"—I got the assistance of another officer, and took him over to the house; and directly I got to the room door he broke away from me, and</p>
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<p>ran into the room where the coin was found—I afterwards secured him and took him in the passage—he was searched, but nothing was found on him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-45" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-45" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-45" type="surname" value="ELLIOTT"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-45" type="given" value="ARTJUR"/>ARTJUR ELLIOTT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, G</hi> 104). I went with the other officer and assisted in taking the prisoner to the station—I was in the waiting room with the two prisoners the next morning, and I heard the man say to the woman in a low tone of voice, "When you go inside, tell the Magistrate that the woman in the adjoining room gave you the money to get the things, and that you had no money when I left the room, and that will get me out of it"—I told him what I had heard him say to his wife, and told him I should tell the Magistrate when I went in the court—he said, "You may tell him what you like"—the female prisoner then called me aside to speak to me—I said to her, "Do you wish your husband to hear what you have to say to me"—she said, "Yes"—I then called her husband, and she said, You know,
<hi rend="italic">Joe</hi>, you
<hi rend="italic">was</hi> doing this for two years before I married you, and I did not know how to do it until you shewed me"—her husband said, "You are a b—y liar"—she then said, "You know it is true,
<hi rend="italic">Joe</hi>, and many times you have knocked me about when I have not had them ready for you"—her husband then advanced towards her, and I got between them fearing he would do her some violence.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did he not say, "Tell the truth; was it not Mr. Clark gave them to you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not hear any person's name mentioned—he did not say in my hearing, "Come, woman, tell the whole truth, and then I must get off"—I was not there all the time.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-46" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-46" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-46" type="surname" value="EVANS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-46" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS EVANS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, G</hi> 22). I was with the party at Little Warner-street—I went with Sergeant Brannan to the beer-house and saw Joseph Pomeroy taken—I saw him leave the back room while Moody was in conversation with Sergeant Brannan—he went into the yard, and was found in the water-closet—I heard what passed with him and Sergeant Brannan—I went with him to the house, 16, Little Warner-street—I did not go up stairs directly—I went back to the yard to see if there was any
<lb/>thing in the yard—I afterwards heard him say that he had not been in the house since 1 o'clock, and I heard him say respecting the back room, "It is no use your searching that, you will not find anything there."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-47" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-47" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-47" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-47" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This is a mould for making sixpences, of Queen Victoria, of the date of 1856—these three sixpences are from this mould, and are all bad—in this rag are two sixpences which were used as a pattern for making this mould—the mould is in a soft state, and there is a small band either of paste board or tin, and the mould is put into that—this iron spoon contains some of the same metal of which these sixpences are made, and a part of the metal is in this piece of
<hi rend="italic">get</hi>—this is a battery plate, and this file has been used for filing the sharp edges off the coins—this piece of rag is for holding the moulds—this battery is for plating the coins after they have been made—these sixpences had just been made; they are not finished.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Elizabeth Sophia Pomeroy's Defence.</hi> My husband knew what I wan doing; he brought me over four sixpences from Moody's, and told me to get them ready for him, and of course I did so. I went over to Moody's and told my husband I was going out a little way; I went, and did not get home till late. I had a drop of drink; a very little gets over me; and when I got home I could not unlock the door. A policeman unlocked it for me, and I was afraid to go up stairs. My husband heard me and came down, and made use of bad language; and said if I entered the place he would be the death of me. I did not see him after that, till the Tuesday; he was conscious of what was going on.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-48" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-48" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-48" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD MOODY</persName> </hi>. I am landlord of the Shakespeare Head beer-shop—I have known Joseph Pomeroy about eight months—he has to do with the anti-strike movement—he worked for Mr. Pritchard, in Warwick-lane—he is a carpenter—he used to go out early to work at the usual hour—he worked at Pritchard's till the lock out, and after that he wrote certain letters to the
<hi rend="italic">Times</hi> newspaper and tried to bring about the strike—he was appointed paid chairman of the anti-strike movement—after that he went to work at Mr. Yardley's, in Wood-street, Clerkenwell—he worked with him three weeks—I recollect the day when Brannan and the others went in his house—he came over to my house at half-past 9 o'clock to see if there were any letters—he was in the habit of having letters for men to go on the work—he remained about twenty minutes—I saw him afterwards about a quarter or twenty minutes before 1 o'clock in my house, and a little boy came and asked him to go over the way—he went, and came back, and said his wife called him to look at her shoulder, and he said if she were not drunk it would not have happened—I knew that she was almost always out, and she would stop out three or four days—she came over one night, said she had signed the teetotal pledge, and he gave her some money, and never saw her for three days afterwards.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You never heard anything bad of this man?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I never heard that he had been tried, till after this occur
<lb/>rence—I heard it from Mr. Brannan, and I never was more surprised—I thought him the most honest, straightforward man I ever knew in my life—he has always gone by the name of Pomeroy—I recollect Sergeant Brannan coming over to look for him—on that Tuesday morning Pomeroy came to me and said, "Did you hear the
<hi rend="italic">row"</hi>—I said, "No"—he said, "My wife came home after two or three days, drunk, and I would hot let her in—she kept knocking, and I came down and pushed or knocked her away"—the police tried to take him that night and could not, and they said they would have him to-morrow—Brannan came to my house, but Pomeroy told me that they came to his house about the
<hi rend="italic">row</hi>; and when Brannan came to me I thought it was so, and I thought it was a sad thing that a hard working man should be locked up—when Brannan came to me he said, "We want Pomeroy"—I said, "Tell me what you want with him"—he was rather hasty, and I was the same—on my oath I did not believe that this man was wanted for something else—I did not tell the officer that Pomeroy was not there at all—I might in the heat have told him I did not know him, because he called me a fellow—he said, "You, fellow, point me out Pomeroy"—and I said, "Who do yuu call a fellow?" thinking he wanted him for ill-using his wife—I did not say I did not know him—I could not say I did not know the man; it was impossible—I swear I did not say that—the officer said, "Where is Pomeroy"—I said, "What do you want with Pomeroy"—he said, "Never mind, fellow, we want Pomeroy"—I never told him I did not know Pomeroy—there was another man there in plain clothes—I did not, to my knowledge, say I did not know Pomeroy—I have no recollection of it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you say you did not know him, thinking it was hard that an honest man should be locked up?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I don't believe I did—I said, "Find Pomeroy."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you ever said that Pomeroy was at work at Myers?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; he was to go there to work on the Monday morning—I was with him when Mr. Myers engaged to take him into his yard—I was examined before the Magistrate—I was merely asked two or three questions.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Elizabeth Sophia Pomeroy.</hi> Mr. Moody is quite a stranger to me—he knows nothing about my drinking.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> Yes I do, I have frequently seen her come home drunk.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-49" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-49" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-49" type="surname" value="CLEMENTS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-49" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH CLEMENTS</persName> </hi>. I know the person who goes by the name of Mr. Pomeroy, and I know Mr. Clark—they have been coining money for some time—I never heard Mr. Pomeroy say anything about destroying the things—I heard Mr. Clark say that they had destroyed the things—I know that Mr. Pomeroy gets tipsy; she was very seldom sober—I never saw the man tipsy but once, and that was when the strike was on—I had to let him in because his wife took away the key—he was in the habit of leaving early in the morning, and coming home late—she was more out than at home—she was not at home two days before she was off again.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you quite blind?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have very little sight—I can see when I am close to a person—I can discern a man from a woman—I could see Mr. Pomeroy perfectly when in my room—I, have known her ever since 1st August.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-50" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-50" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-50" type="surname" value="PRIOR"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-50" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN PRIOR</persName> </hi>. I and my husband lodge at 16, Little Warner-street—I have known Mr. Pomeroy—she has been in the habit of coming home drunk, very much so, and calling the man down many times—he has been an honest, hard-working man, gone out early in the morning, and come home late at night—he was in the habit of being called up in the morning—the policemen have knocked him up at 4 o'clock—I live in the kitchen—I never go in their room—they were quite strangers to me—I have heard him beat her when she has come home.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-51" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-51" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-51" type="surname" value="PRIOR"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-51" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES PRIOR</persName> </hi>. I am a pantominist, and live at 16, Little Warner-street—I only know the prisoner by sight—I have been in the habit of seeiug this woman come home frequently in a state of drunkenness—I have seen the man go out early, and come home late—I have opened the door for him when his wife has taken the key and stopped out for five or six days—when she came home he has ill used her—on one occasion she broke the panel of my door, and on one occasion she asked if I had got any coffee or tea—I called to him, and said, "Why don't you take your wife in,"—he said, "What is that to you; if I have got a bad bargain, you give her in charge."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How did you come here?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> When I heard the case was going on I presented myself to Mr. Moody—I went to him in consequence of what Mr. Clark said to me—I knew the police were coming—when they came, Pomeroy was over the way at the public-house—I was desirous that this woman should be taken, because she has been at it a long time—I knew the man was innocent of it—he was out at work—she would come home tipsy, and he would knock her down stairs—he took her in after a good deal of ill treatment, and he said, "I wish you to keep your room, and if you don't keep your room, I will break your d—d neck."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-52" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-52" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-52" type="surname" value="PRIOR"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-52" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN PRIOR</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Re-examined). Q.</hi> Did you go to Newgate when Mr. Pomeroy was there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I was asked to go, and I saw her there—she said, "The person in the front room, Mr. Clark, has frequently drank with me, and passed some of the bad coin"—she said Mr. Clark changed it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How came she to say that?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Because I went into Newgate—I was asked to go by some friends of Mr. Pomeroy—not Mr. Moody, but some persons who were in Mr. Moody's—they said they would like some one to go to Mr. Pomeroy, and I offered my service.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-53" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-53" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-53" type="surname" value="THOMAS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-53" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER THOMAS</persName> </hi>. I have known Pomeroy eight or nine months—he was chairman to the Anti-Strike Committee—he was elected by men and by</p>
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<p>gentlemen—I have seen his wife—she has been, I am very sorry to say, a most dissolute character—I have never seen him with more money than he ought to have—I have been out with him twenty or thirty times—I never saw him with much money, and that was good—I am a watch-maker, and live at 6, Crawford-place.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Elizabeth Sophia Pomeroy. Q.</hi> Have you ever seen me intoxicated?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; a dozen times; I have seen you drunk about the street; a most disgraceful character.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-54" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-54" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-54" type="surname" value="CROUCH"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-54" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM CROUCH</persName> </hi>. I am a bricklayer—I knew Pomeroy before the strike—I have been out with him—he has repeatedly said he did not know where his wife got her money to get drink.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When was the strike?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> On 6th August—I knew him about three weeks before that—I knew him to be an honest, and industrious, and honourable man.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-55" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-55" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-55" type="surname" value="POMEROY"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-55" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN POMEROY</persName> </hi>. I am brother of the prisoner, and a carpenter—on Saturday, 12th December, I engaged him to work for me, and to come on the Monday—he came, and I was not ready, and I told him to come on the following morning, and he came about half-past 11 o'clock—he asked me for a 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and I gave it him, and he had had 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of me on the Saturday—he was a hard working industrious man—since he formed this unhappy connexion, I have seen him but very seldom—he was always ready to work and do well—I never knew him to pass bad money in my life—I don't recollect him being taken into custody eighteen years ago—he was at work for me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-56" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-56" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-56" type="surname" value="POLLARD"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-56" type="given" value="WILLIAM HENRY"/>WILLIAM HENRY POLLARD</persName> </hi>. I was present when Moody was examined before the Magistrate—what he said was not taken in writing—the deposi
<lb/>tion was taken, and the Counsel for the prisoner called witnesses—Moody, and the woman who is blind (
<hi rend="italic">Clements</hi>), were called—Moody was examined at some length—he said that Pomeroy had been working that day at Myers at Lambeth, and he returned to his beer-shop between 12 and 1 in the day—he was reminded of the time that workmen leave work, and was asked how he accounted for his being there so soon—he said he had been working at Mr. Yardley's.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you sure?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—he said that Pomeroy had been working at Myers', some little time, aud been to his work early that morning, and he knew he had been to work, and came back between 12 and 1 o'clock—the question was whether Sergeant Brannan had gone into Moody's to take Pomeroy into custody.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-57" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-57" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-57" type="surname" value="BRANNAN"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-57" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRANNAN</persName> </hi>,
<hi rend="italic">senior (re-examined</hi>). About eighteen years ago Pomeroy was taken for stealing carpenter's tools—he was taken to Worship-street Station, and I believe he was remanded—I searched his lodgings, and found a mould with an impression on it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What was it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A mould with an impression scratched on it—I found some metal that had been melted—I submitted it to the Mint solicitors, and they did not press it, because he was then under another charge—I did not mention this when he was last tried, because he was acquitted, and I was not allowed to tell it—I did not give the information to the attorney—they have known his character for years—on my oath I don't know that when he was charged about those tools he was acquitted—when I went to his place I found a mould, a ladle, and other things—I had nothing to do with the carpenter's tools.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-58" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-58" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-58" type="surname" value="BRANNAN"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-58" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRANNAN</persName> </hi>,
<hi rend="italic">junior</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I went over to Moody's in search</p>
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<p>of Pomeroy—I said to Moody, "Will you point me out Mr. Pomeroy"—he said, "I don't know such a name."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COOPER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you find him sitting there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I saw two or three persons there—I asked them where Mr. Pomeroy was—nobody answered but the landlord.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-59" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-59" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-59" type="surname" value="EVANS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-59" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS EVANS</persName> </hi>, (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined.</hi>) I heard Moody asked the question, and he said he did not know Pomeroy.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-60" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-60" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-60" type="surname" value="ELLIOT"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-60" type="given" value="ARTHUR"/>ARTHUR ELLIOT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined.</hi>) I went there and saw Moody; he said he did not know such a man as Pomeroy.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOSEPH POMEROY</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-136-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-136-18600102 t18600102-136-punishment-7"/>Ten Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">ELIZABETH SOPHIA POMEROY</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.—</rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Judgment respited.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, January</hi> 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., 1860.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">JAMES DUKE</hi>, Bart. Ald. M.P.; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">FRANCIS GRAHAM MOON</hi> </p>
<p>Bart. Ald.; Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RECORDER</hi>; and
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT MALOOLM KERR</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder and the Second Jury.</hi> </p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-137-offence-1 t18600102-name-62"/>Alexander Williams</persName>, with intent to murder him; to which he</rs> </p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-137-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<interp inst="t18600102-137-punishment-9" type="punishmentCategory" value="death"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-137-18600102 t18600102-137-punishment-9"/>Death Recorded</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM HALES</hi> (23)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18600102-138-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="forgery"/>, Feloniously forging and uttering a request for the delivery of goods, with intent to defraud;
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<interp inst="t18600102-138-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-138-18600102 t18600102-138-punishment-10"/>Confined Twelve Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MICHAEL HAYES</hi> (22)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18600102-139-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="wounding"/>, Feloniously cutting and wounding
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-139-offence-1 t18600102-name-65"/>Henry Hughes</persName>, with intent to do some grievous bodily harm.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-66" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-66" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-66" type="surname" value="HUGHES"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-66" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY HUGHES</persName> </hi>. I reside at 4, Douglas-place, Northampton-row, Clerk
<lb/>en well, and am a sub-warder in the Middlesex House of Correction, Cold
<lb/>bath-fields—on the morning of 9th December the prisoner was in the prison—I was on duty overlooking him and other prisoners cleaning; it was the middle flight of stairs of the second misdemeanour prison they were sweeping—they had done stoning, and had put the stones on the top of the staircase—they had all done except the prisoner; he was engaged in cleaning with the stones—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are similar to the stones used—they are used for rubbing the floors—this was about a quarter-past 11 in the morning—I desired the prisoner to stone the steps down, and, being very wet over night, they were very dirty, and he did them very badly—I was going down the stone steps, and saw they were not clean, and I desire him to do them over again—as I was walking down the stairs, I had got about two or three steps below the prisoner, I heard something fall; I looked towards where the other prisoners were employed, and asked them to be more careful, or they would hit me on the head—before I had scarcely got the words from my mouth I received a blow on the head which knocked me against the wall almost insen
<lb/>sible, and the prisoner rushed on me, and hammered me, and violently used me, and kicked me about different parts of my body, which roused me again—I caught hold of the collar of his coat and waistcoat, and held him till the other prisoners came to my assistance—after they had got hold of him I went, down stairs and called to them to come down, so that I could get some</p>
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<p>assistance, for I was in the building by myself—the prisoner was secured by the other prisoners—my head bled very much—I was Btruck with one of the stones—he kicked me about my shoulders and chest while struggling with him, and after I had got hold of him by the collar he kicked me three times in the private parts; but the distance was almost too short to do me much injury—at the time he was striking me he said, "Do it again"—repeating the words I had said to him, and he kept punching me all the time he was saying those words.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-67" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS LYNCH</persName> </hi>. I was in the House of Correction on 9th December—I was engaged with the prisoner and some others in cleaning the floors—the last witness, Hughes, was there—I was standing at the bottom of the stain witli my back towards the officer and the prisoner, when I heard one of the stones drop before me, I looked round and saw Mr. Hughes staggering against the wall—I went up towards him, and while going towards him I saw the prisoner kick him twice in the body—I pulled a handkerchief out of my pocket, and placed it on Mr. Hughes' head—he was bleeding very much indeed; it flew all over the wall.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-68" type="given" value="WILLIAM CHARLES"/>WILLIAM CHARLES ALLEN</persName> </hi>. I was in the House of Correction on 9th December—two or three minutes before my attention was called to the stairs, I heard the officer tell the prisoner to be particular in cleaning the stones from the edge of the stairs, which it seems he neglected—my attention was called to the circumstance through hearing a deep inspiration, a kind of hiss—I put my head round the wall that supports the floor of the upper passages and saw the prisoner in the act of striking, with a stone in his right hand, the head of the officer—it missed the officer and struck the wall, out of which it took a large piece—the stone in his right hand fell to the ground—with the one in his left he began beating the officer at the back of his head on the right side—they were stones similar to these produced—I was about three stairs higher up—I went down and threw my arms round the prisoner; being stronger than I, he managed to fling me off in a great de
<lb/>gree, and threw me backwards against the stairs—I immediately put my arms round him again—he said, "Let me get at him; let me get at him; I will darken him"—there were two or three other prisoners in the build
<lb/>ing helping us and I immediately called out by number to one above me to come down stairs, which he did directly, and he said "He is in a fit"—the prisoner replied, "No I am not in a fit; let me get at him"—there was a cell pot placed on the stairs ready for removal and he struggled very much to get at that, saying, "Let me have it, I will darken him."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> There is not a word of truth in it; it is all lies.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-69" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY SWANN</persName> </hi>. I am a sub-warder in the House of Correction—I went to the rescue of the officer—after taking the prisoner before the governor, I locked him up in a cell; while doing that he said, "I will hang for him; I will hang for him yet, either now or some other time."</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-70" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY WAKEFIELD</persName> </hi>. I live at 52, Russell-square, and am surgeon to the House of Correction—I examined Henry Hughes at the infirmary on 9th December—there was a severe wound behind the right ear, rather more than an inch in length—it was not very deep—it was not so much the se
<lb/>verity of the wound as the concussion consequent on the blow that he was labouring under—the wound was precisely such as would be inflicted by such a stone as this—he has been under my care since—he has never been able to return to his duty, he was so severely shaken by the blow.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was read as follows:</hi>—"That morning, I was rubbing the stairs; this man was finding fault with me; he</p>
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<p>told me to rub the others after I did these; I was so tantalized, that I threw the stone at him."</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-139-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ROBERT WATTS</hi> (19)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18600102-140-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="animalTheft"/>, Stealing a gelding, value 15
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-140-offence-1 t18600102-name-72"/>Alex
<lb/>ander Oppenheim</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DICKIE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-73" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-73" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-73" type="given" value="RICHARD"/>RICHARD JOHNSON</persName> </hi>. I am in the service of Mr. Oppenheim, 2, Theresa-terrace, Hammersmith—I remember taking a horse to Slater's-fields, in Turn-ham-green, in October—the shoes were taken off the hind feet before he went to grass—I saw it afterwards in the field, and saw it after that at the police station, and am quite sure it was the same horse—I can't exactly re
<lb/>collect the day of the month I last saw the horse in the field—I took it there on 20th October—I saw it on the Thursday following—I saw it again on Saturday, and I think again on Tuesday—I did not miss it at all—I did not know it was gone—I saw it at Hammersmith on 8th December—I had not seen it between the Tuesday after 20th October till the 8th December.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-74" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN MANSELL</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant, T</hi> 1). I apprehended the prisoner on 8th December at Wandsworth—I told him he was charged with stealing a horse from Mr. Slater's fields at Hammersmith—I did not say when—he did not say anything at that time—he made use of some observation, I could not understand what it was, for he was crying very much, but on the way from the Wandsworth police-court to Hammersmith station, the horse was being led, and he said, "I bought the horse of a man at Turnham-green"—I cautioned him about saying anything—I took him to the station at Ham
<lb/>mersmith—he did not name the man on that occasion—I charged him at Hammersmith station with stealing the horse, and from the police-station to the police-court at Hammersmith, he said, "I gave 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and a silver watch for the horse"—he asserted at the police-court that he bought it of a person of the name of James Worsley, of Turnham-green—his father ap
<lb/>plied for a summons to compel Worsley to attend—I have seen Worsley since and he denied it—the prisoner was not present then—Worsley is not here.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-75" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-75" type="surname" value="BISHOP"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-75" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE BISHOP</persName> </hi>. I am a cattle dealer—I was at Uxbridge on 27th Oc
<lb/>tober—the prisoner came to me there and asked me if I knew anybody who would buy a useful cob—I said I did not know, what sort was it?—he said one less than 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I said I would look at it—he showed me the horse—it was lame and had got his two hind shoes off—I asked the reason of that—he said he did not know; he had bought him—I said I did not much like it, but coming down the yard I bid him 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. then four guineas, and he sold it to me—I asked him if he knew anybody in the town—he said, "No"—I said, "You are a perfect stranger to me, I shall not pay you till I see some one you know"—he said "Mr. Haddon knows me"—I said "When he comes to market, I will pay you"—about 4 o'clock I said "Come along, you may as well go and take the money for that horse"—he said "No; you fancy I may have stolen the horse; I with not take the money till I do see a respectable man"—I said "Which way are you going," and he said "Up here, to meet Mr. Haddon"—I said "That is my way home, I will walk up with you"—we walked up the road together, up by the Standard—I said "Are you going to take the money for that horse, or no"—he said "No"—at last I went in and paid him before the landlord, and who should come up at that moment but Mr. Haddon—I said "Do you know anything of this man"—he said "Oh, yes"—the prisoner said "I have sold this man a horse, and he</p>
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<p>fancies I have stolen it"—I said "You cannot blame me"—he got up in the cart with Mr. Haddon and rode away, after having a quartern of gin—the horse was in a very distressed condition when I bought it—I asked him the reason, and said to him, "I think the horse is too cheap, and I shall not pay you till such time as you find a respectable man to take the money."</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-76" type="given" value="FREDERICK HENRY"/>FREDERICK HENRY COLLINS</persName> </hi>. I am the landlord of a public-house at Hammersmith—I remember Mr. Oppenheim's horse being brought by Johnson about 20th October—it was brought to the door, and he went with it into the field—I saw the horse put into the field—I missed it on the 28th—I looked for it—his hind shoes were taken off just before he was turned out—I thought the horse was worth about 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. at that time—there are several marks about the horse by which I could swear to it, and my coach
<lb/>man has driven him in my carriage—I saw the horse at the police-court—it is a very nice-looking little horse, and in good condition when it was turned out.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-77" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-77" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-77" type="surname" value="BISHOP"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-77" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE BISHOP</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). The last time I saw the horse it was at the police-court—that was the horse that this witness saw.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-78" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN GRANT</persName> </hi>. I am in the service of Mr. Slater, a butcher of Kensing
<lb/>ton, who has a field at Turnham-green—I recollect Mr. Oppenheim's horse being brought on 20th October—I saw it in the field afterwards on several occasions—the last time I saw him safe was on 26th—on Friday morning 28th he was not there—I missed it about ten minutes past 6 in the morn
<lb/>ing—there was a railed fence round the field—he could not get over it himself—he was turned out along with several horses—there was a rail fence on one side, a hedge, and where gaps had been, there was a rail fence—it would be difficult to get through the hedge, but the fence was broken the night the horse was stolen—I discovered that on 28th—I was not there on the morning of 27th—it was broken between 26th and 28th—I after
<lb/>wards saw the horse at the police-court—I cannot say it was the same horse because he had got blisters on behind, and I cannot tell whether they were white legs or black legs, but it resembled the horse about the body—to the best of my belief it was the horse.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-140-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.**—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">RICHARD CRITCHLEY</hi> (33)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-81" type="given" value="MC"/>MR. MC DONALD</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">for the prosecution offered no evidence on the inquisition; the Grand Jury Jiaving thrown out the bill.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. the property of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18600102-142-offence-1 t18600102-name-84"/>Mary Hudson</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COPPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-85" type="given" value="EDWARD ROWE"/>EDWARD ROWE BOSTOCK</persName> </hi>. I am a gentleman, residing at 16, Loraine-place, Holloway—on 22d December, about half-past 1 o'clock in the day, I got into an Islington omnibus to go to the city—I sat on the third seat on the left hand side as you enter—I cannot say whether the prisoner was in the omnibus at the Angel, Islington, but she was there coming down the City-road—she was sitting on my left hand side—Mr. Hudson was sitting on the opposite side, and next the door—I remember the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi> stopping at the canal in the City-road to admit a passenger—he took up his position on my right, between myself and another gentleman—upon that the prisoner got up and left the seat adjoining me, and went immediately opposite—there was a lady between the prisoner and Mr. Hudson then—the first thing that</p>
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<p>attracted my attention was this woman moving from adjoining me, where there was only one person in the division, and going opposite where there was already two—she fidgetted about a great deal, and somewhere about Finsbury-square the omnibus stopped, and the lady sitting next her got out—the prisoner then moved up to Mr. Hudson's side—I noticed her throwing her left arm about her a good deal, drawing a large shawl about her, and in doing so she raised her shawl, and I noticed her right arm stretched across her own lap towards Mr. Hudson's side—the omnibus stopped at the Bank and a passenger there got out—while it was stopping Mr. Hudson's took a purse out of her pocket; on opening it I saw she looked very much surprised, passed her hand again into her pocket, and looked into her purse, and flushed in the face a good deal—I enquired if she had lost anything—she said she had lost all her money, 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I then taxed the prisoner with having taken it—she denied it—I told her to stand up, taking her by the shoulder, and when she got up 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. fell from her lap into the omnibus—a gentleman sitting on my right gathered it up, among the straw, and searched, but 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. was all he could find—I requested the conductor to stop when he saw a policeman, and call him, and I would give the woman in charge—the prisoner stated that the money must all be there; that Mr. Hudson must have dropped it herself, and immediately began searching among the straw—she picked up a shilling here and another there, which I presumed she dropped, for they were not there before—8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. I think was found—1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. more than was lost.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. TINDAL ATKINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Then, as I understand it, there were three women in one compartment?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> There were—there was a brass rod in the centre dividing the omnibus in two—I travel much in omnibuses—there may be something suspicious in a person getting up from one side to go to the other, persons generally like as much room as they can get—she went from the uncrowded side to the crowded side—some of the omnibuses are ventilated at the end—I can't say whether this one was—I have felt the inconvenience of a draught on one side of the omnibus when the window has been open at my back, but not from the wind blowing in from the aperture—I can't say whether this omnibus was ventilated from the top; it might have been—it was not very cold about this time; not frosty—it was on 22d December—I don't know whether the thaw had set in—when the woman rose the money fell from under her shawl—I saw it fall—I did not see the money in her lap—it might have been on the edge of her dress—I don't think she could have swept it down from the seat with her dress—I saw it fall from under her shawl when she rose.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-86" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY HUDSON</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Hudson, a carman, of 35, Trinity-street, Liverpool-road—I was in this omnibus on 22d December—I had 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in my purse—it was quite safe when I came from home—I did not feel it after I was in the omnibus, but I am quite certain it was there after I got in the
<hi rend="italic">bus</hi>—it is a leather purse with a clasp to it—the prisoner sat on my right hand side—at the Mansion-house I got my purse out to pay and on looking at it it was quite empty—it was shut and the money gone—on my opening the purse the gentleman asked me if I had lost anything, seeing me look very much surprised—I said I had—he asked how much—I said 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he ordered the prisoner to stand up—she did so, and I saw 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. drop from her lap—it fell from under her shawl—I picked up 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. from the straw—I told her that was not all; there was 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. when I left home—there was no hole in the pocket—there is one hole that is requisite in the pocket, but there were not two—I did not look at my pocket till the next</p>
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<p>morning—I then found a hole there—the prisoner said the day before, "You had a hole in your pocket and you dropped it through," and I said I had not one, and next morning I had a hole in my pocket—I have the pocket with me—it is not exactly a cut—I have not touched it since; it is just as it was—I took it out of the dress this morning.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you wear crinoline?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I wear a full skirt, what I am wearing now—I sometimes have to repair my dress—I am not sometimes surprised to find a hole where I did not expect it, but I never found one in my pocket like that before—I had not been in any body else's company on this morning—I took the 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. from my kitchen at home—I put it into my pocket, not loose—I put it in my purse; I am quite sure of that—I never put money loose in my pocket, only halfpence—I always take care to secure silver in my purse—I am quite certain I did not take my money out for any purpose before I got into the omnibus—I had no occasion to do so—I did not feel my money while in the omnibus—the entrance to my pocket is a side slit in the skirt—it is not one of the old-fashioned pockets that tie round the waist.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-87" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT HAWKRIDGE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City policeman</hi>, 444). I was called to take the prisoner into custody—she said the woman must have dropped it—she was searched at the station—she had 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 11 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and a brooch—they were taken from the prisoner by the searcher at the station—I did not see her searched—she was taken into a separate room—they were delivered to me in the presence of the prisoner—the person who searched her did not say anything when she delivered them to me—they were put on the dock at the station, stated to have been found on the prisoner.
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<interp inst="t18600102-142-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.†—
<hi rend="italic">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, January</hi> 3
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1860.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">CUBITT</hi>, M.P.; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">HALE</hi>; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON SERJEANT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., the property of
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<interp inst="t18600102-144-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">GEORGE HAYES</hi> (18)</persName>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., the property of
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-94" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. COPPER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GIFFARD</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi>, 635). On 12th December last I stood opposite the Bull Inn, Aldgate, and watched about two hours and a half—I saw the prisoner Cook and a lad come out of the Bull-yard with a tilted van with two horses—the lad was with the front horse—I followed the van to Mark-lane in company with Bull, a detective—when we got there the van stopped—we watched it for a few minutes, and, saw Cook undo the back part of the van—we went up to him and told him that we were excise officers, and wanted to search the van for spirits—I got up on the van and saw four sacks of mixture, consisting of chaff, white and black oats, and crushed barley, and some cut clover—on seeing those, we told him that we were two detective officers, and asked him where he got the four sacks from—he said that a man put them into the van in the Bull-yard—we asked him who the man was, and he said he did not know—we told him he must con
<lb/>sider himself in custody for receiving four bags of mixture—when he turned round to go to the station-house, we told him that anything he said, would be given in evidence against him—he stated that a man asked him to buy four bags of sweepings of a manger, and that he gave 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for them—we asked him then whether he should know the man if he was to see him—he said, "Yes"—we then took him to the station-house and locked him up.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-101" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BARBER</persName> </hi>. I came up with Cook's van on the morning of 12th December—I went with Cook to the Bull Inn—I saw the prisoner Vaughan there that day—I saw him put the mixture in the van—I did not see any
<lb/>thing paid,—I saw Vaughan get the mixture out of the loft at the Bull Inn—when Vaughan put the mixture in the van, Cook was in the stable—I did not see him take any of the mixture or the sacks.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-102" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT ETHERINGTON</persName> </hi>. I am foreman to Mr. John Nelson of the Bull Inn, Aldgate—the prisoner, Vaughan, was horse-keeper—he had not authority to give anything away there—I have seen the mixture that was taken away from the van—I know one bag; it is Mr. Nelson's—all the sacks were Mr. Nelson's—the London General Omnibus Company have something like one hundred horses in our yard, but Vaughan has no connexion with them at all.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-103" type="given" value="BENNETT"/>BENNETT BALL</persName> </hi>. I am foreman to the London General Omnibus Company, at Bell-lane, Spitalfields—I examined the three sacks of mixture produced by the policeman—in my judgment, a portion of it came from Bell-lane—I am in the habit of sending some of it daily to the Bull-inn, for the horses of the Omnibus Company—the barley and oats which I send are bruised, and those in this mixture are bruised—the whole of it did not come from Bell-lane; that in three sacks did—it corresponds in appearance with that which I send for the purpose of feeding the Company's horses—it belongs to the General Omnibus Company.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cook's Defence.</hi> I did not know it was stolen.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">on the Second Count.—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-147-18600102 t18600102-147-punishment-19"/>Confined Three Month</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, January</hi> 3
<hi rend="italic">rd</hi>, 1860.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">CUBITT</hi>, and
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROBERT MALCOLM KERR</hi>, Esq.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq., and the Sixth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-148-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, Feloniously having in their possession a mould bearing the obverse and reverse sides of a half-crown.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-107" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES GASCOIGNE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, H</hi> 98). On Wednesday evening, 14th December, I went with another constable to 5, Wilson's-place, Flower and Dean-street, Spitalfields—I saw a man in the passage, who gave a signal, by knocking on the wainscoting with his hand—I seized him by the collar and shoved him into the street—I then looked through the key-hole of the front room, ground-floor, and saw Simpkins standing by a table which had a plate on it, in which I could plainly see some half-crowns—he was turning them over, and Joyce was by his side with a ladle in his hand containing hot metal—I forced open the door, and, on Simpkins seeing me, he threw some
<lb/>thing down which looked like plaster of Paris—it appeared to be a mould—he stamped on it—I seized him by the collar—the other policeman rushed to the plate, and got five half crowns out of it, but dropped these two (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) on the ground—I picked them up—Simpkins succeeded in struggling to the plate, and got all the half-crowns that remained in the plate, and threw them into the fire—I saw them fall through the grate, and picked up this metal (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) out of the ashes—he then threw this little phial on the fire, con
<lb/>taining liquid of some sort, which was spilt, and I picked the bottle out—we secured the prisoners, searched and found two files with metal in the teeth, two phials, some plaster of Paris, a saucer of sand, and some pieces of a mould—I picked up these two unfinished half-crowns—the landlord locked up the rooms, and we took the prisoners to the station—on the way, Simpkins said, "Jim, we are
<hi rend="italic">cocked to rights</hi> this time"—nothing was found on them—I went to the room again next day—(
<hi rend="italic">The</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered that evidence could not be given of, what was in the room unless the landlord was called to prove that he had kept the key</hi>)—we brought away at the time the broken pieces that Simpkins stamped on—Mr. Webster, the officer of the Mint, sent me the second time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Simpkins.</hi> When you took me in custody there was no mould found; you were sent back to search again, and still there was no mould found; but when we were remanded and brought up again, you produced this piece of a mould.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I found it the first time—I did take down a piece of soda and say it was ammonia: I thought it was.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-108" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM BRIGLER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, H</hi> 218). I was with Gascoigne, and saw him. peep through the key-hole—when I got in, he was struggling with Simpkins—I saw the coins in a plate on the table—I seized five, but dropped two of them—I kept the other three in my hand—I saw Simpkins stamping on something just by the fender, inside the fire-place—I laid hold of him to pull him away, and found some pieces of white plaster on the hearth—he threw the remainder of the half-crowns into the fire—they went through into the ashes—I picked up some, and Gascoigne picked up some—they were then melted—I saw them dropping through—I saw Gascoigne pick up a ladle which was quite hot—I saw him take a red-hot bottle out of the fire—we</p>
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<p>then seized both prisoners, and made a search—I have heard what Gascoigne said was found; that is correct; Simpkins said, going to the station, that they were "
<hi rend="italic">cocked to rights</hi> this time"—that means they were caught.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Simpkins.</hi> The other man said that the metal in the ladle was scalding hot?
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> It was hot—I dropped it again because it burnt my fingers.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-109" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-109" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of counterfeit coin to the Mint—these five half-crowns are counterfeit, and from one mould—here are some pieces of plaster of Paris which may have formed part of a mould, but there are no marks on them by which I can say for certain—these half-crowns have been made from a mould; and, supposing the metal from which they were made to be hot, the mould must have existed two minutes before—it could not be longer—these are made of precisely the same metal as this in the ladle—it is Britannia metal, or melted pewter pots—I have sufficient experience to know from the touch that it is the same—here are two files which are used for the purpose of making the milling, and some sand which is used to clean them before they put the extra coating on to blacken or discolour them—this ladle is used for melting the metal—this piece of metal fits into the bottom of it, and must have come out of it—I have looked carefully at these coins—I have examined and found that they are all from one mould—here is one little peculiarity in the "r" of Georgius, a small mark or indentation—they all have that peculiarity—here is a little box containing two fragments of a mould for half-crowns—the larger fragment merely represents part of a letter, and the edging of the coin—the smaller piece has the letter "r" on it; and under the lower limb of the "r" is the same mark which is on all the half-crowns—that informs me that these two fragments must have been part of a mould for a half-crown—no other coin than a half-crown of George the Third has such a letter of this size.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that the mould being now connected with the, prisoners, he was entitled to give evidence of where it was found, to which the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">assented.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-110" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-110" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES GASCOIGNE</persName> </hi>,
<hi rend="italic">re-examined.</hi> I found these two fragments of a mould on the Saturday, two days after the prisoners were taken, on the hearth near where Simpkins stamped—I had seen the room locked by the landlord when I went away on the Wednesday night—it was still locked when I returned on the Saturday—I unlocked it, and nothing was disturbed that I could see—I saw the remains of plaster of Paris on the hearth where the stamping took place, but it was too small for me to pick up.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Simpkins's Defence.</hi> I had been to the Docks, and borrowed a shilling of a man who was coming for it that day I gave a girl 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. to clean the room; and going along the street I met Smith, who said, "Is there anybody in doors? "I said, "Yes, a girl." He asked me if I would let him lie down, as he had been up all night; I said, "Yes." I went home at 5 o'clock, and there was a strange
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi> there, who went out, and the policeman immediately broke in. There is no doubt that they are the guilty persons, and the per
<lb/>sons who gave the information. I took up one of the half-crowna to show him, and the moment I did so the police came in. I am guilty of knowing that the things Were in the room, but I had only been home half an hour.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Joyce's Defence.</hi> I went there on the Wednesday night for the shilling the young man owed me. I was sitting by the fire tying my garter up, and the policeman says he saw me with a ladle in my hand. That is false.</p>
<hi rend="italic">James Tassel, of 22, Bencroft-place, Mile End-road, gave Joyce a good</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">character; but George Tuffs</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, K</hi> 389)
<hi rend="italic">stated that he had had him in custody for passing a bad half-crown in November.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">SIMPKINS</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-148-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>. †</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOYCE</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-148-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-148-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>. †</p>
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-148-18600102 t18600102-148-punishment-20"/>Ten Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">MARY ANN ROGERS</hi> (18)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18600102-149-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="royalOffences"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-149-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-112" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-112" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-112" type="surname" value="SETTINS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-112" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY SETTINS</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Edward Settins, of Park-place, Old Ford-road—he keeps a chemist's shop—on 22d December the prisoner came and purchased a pennyworth of violet powder, two-pennyworth of pills, and three-halfpennyworth of lozenges, making 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—she gave me a half-crown—I thought it looked bad, took it to my neighbour, Mr. Smith, and he returned with me to my shop—I said to the prisoner, "You have given me a bad half-crown; did you know it? "she said, "No"—I asked her if she was known to any neighbour; she said, "No"—I said, "You must give me back my goods"—she did so, and said she had no more money—while this was going on Mr. Smith went away, and came back with a constable and a young man named Joyce (
<hi rend="italic">See last case</hi>), whom I saw here just now—I gave the half-crown to the constable—I brought back the same half-crown that I got from the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> Mr. Smith had it in his hand.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-113" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-113" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-113" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-113" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES SMITH</persName> </hi>. I am a butcher, and live next door to the last witness—on 22d December she came to me with a half-crown—I looked at it and found it bad—I kept it in my hand, went for a policeman, and afterwards gave it to him—I am sure it is the same—I cannot say whether I gave it to the policeman or any one else, but I saw him get it; whether I gave it him, or she did, I do not know—when I went for the policeman two men were waiting opposite, one of whom was Joyce, who had given me a bad shilling a little while previously—he was about twenty yards off, and was given in custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> There were two half-crowns.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I believe there were—one of them had been passed before; the policeman had it—there was also a shilling, which was supposed to be Joyce's—I had given Mr. Settins change with that half-crown a week before.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you mix the two?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—Mr. Settins produced the second, and I got the first from Mr. Settins—I did not mix them—I believe the second one was brought out on the second occasion, but it was not mixed with the other—it was bad—I do not know what has become of it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MARY SETTINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What has become of the other half-crown?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The constable has it—a young man came in a week before with it—I asked Mr. Smith if it was bad, and he said it was—the man ran away, and we kept the coin—we afterwards had a shilling passed—that and the half-crown were kept separate, but when the prisoner brought the other half-crown, after she was given in charge, my husband brought out the first one.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-114" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE TUFFS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, K</hi> 381). On 22d November Mr. Smith gave a man into my custody on a charge of passing bad money—I took him to the police-court, and charged him—the prisoner was given into my charge at the same time for uttering this bad half-crown to Mr. Settins—I took her to the police-court, and she was discharged, because there were not wit
<lb/>nesses enough—she gave the name of Harriet Lawson there.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did not Mr. Settins say that she wished I had run away as she did not want the trouble?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I did not see the two half-crowns</p>
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<p>together in Mr. Settin's hands—she gave them to me separate—the other was not along with this.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-115" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH WESTON</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid at the Shepherd beer-shop, Bromley, Middlesex—on Tuesday, 29th November, the prisoner came with a man named Joyce—they were together—Joyce asked for a pint of half-and-half; which came to 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I served him—he threw down a florin—they both drank out of the pot, and I gave Joyce 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. change—I bit the florin, suspected it, and laid it on the under counter, as two or three more people had to be served—they sat down, and then I gave the florin to the boy, Tulley, and told him to take it to Mr. Rogers at the other house—Joyce got up, drank out of the pot, handed it to the prisoner, and walked to the door—she emptied it, and was going to follow him; but I detained her till Mr. Rogers came, when she was given into custody.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-116" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM TULLEY</persName> </hi>. I am potboy at the Shepherd beer-shop—on 29th November Miss Weston gave me a florin—I took it to my mistress, Mr. Rogers, across the road.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-117" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-117" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH ROGERS</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Francis Rogers, the landlord of the Shepherd beer-shop—on 29th November the little boy, Tulley, brought me a florin—I kept it in my hand and gave it to Dagan.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-118" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-118" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD DAGAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, K</hi> 71). The prisoner was given into my custody on 29th November—she gave the name of Ann Rogers—Mr. Rogers gave me this florin (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—the prisoner was searched by a female, and one shilling, two sixpences, and 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., in good money were found on her.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-119" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-119" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-119" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These florins are both bad.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-149-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-149-18600102 t18600102-149-punishment-21"/>Confined Nine Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ANN MARSHALL</hi> (26)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-121" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN GATLAND</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Richard Gatland, a tobacconist of 13, Goldsmith's-row, Shoreditch—on Friday evening, 16th September, the prisoner came for half an ounce of tobacco—I said, "I have not got enough; will a quarter of an ounce do?"—she said, "Yes;" and I served her with it—it came to three farthings—she tendered me a bad florin—I went next door with it, came back and said, "This is a bad florin, do you know it is bad?"—she said, "No, I do not; pray do not give me in charge, I will pay you for the tobacco"—I said, "No, I shall detain you till the policeman comes; I intend to give you in charge; I believe you were here on Wednesday night last"—I detained her and gave her in custody—I cannot say that she had been there, but I have every reason to believe it by her manner on both occasions.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">stated that he could not carry the case further.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-150-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS BUCKLEY</hi> (18)</persName>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ELLIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-123" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-123" type="given" value="HARRIET"/>HARRIET BULL</persName> </hi>. I assist my uncle, Henry Thompson, at his coffee-house, Thornhill-place, Caledonian-road—on Wednesday, 21st December, about half-past 6 in the evening, the prisoner came for a cup of coffee and a slice of bread and butter—he gave me a florin, and I gave him a shilling, a six-pence, and 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in copper, in change—the shilling had a King's head on it, I am positive—he put the shilling to his mouth—then threw down a shilling which was bent, saying, "Do you wish me to have this?"—I took it up and said, "You don't mean to say I gave you this?"—he said, "You</p>
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<p>did; do you wish me to have it?"—I said, "Certainly not, if it is bad"—I gave him another and kept the bad one—I had put the florin he gave me in my pocket—I had no other florin there—I examined it about two hours afterwards, when the policeman came, and found it was bad—I gave it to Stammers, and my aunt gave him the shilling—I know the shilling (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) by the mark the policeman put on it in my presence—it is a Queen's shilling.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> You sounded the florin and put it in the till; I heard it go in.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I have no till.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-124" type="given" value="HUBERT"/>HUBERT STAMMERS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, N</hi> 136). On 21st December, I was with Newbold, in plain clothes, in the Caledonian road, about half-past 6 o'clock, and saw the prisoner and two more lads standing against the wall, about two doors from Thompson's shop—they commenced running from the shop—we followed them, caught them, and told them we should take them on suspicion of having counterfeit coin—I saw the one whom Newbold took, drop a bad shilling—I picked it up—they were discharged, there being only one shilling against them—I afterwards went to Thompson, and re
<lb/>ceived a shilling from him, and a florin from Ann Bull—Newbold and I afterwards went to the place where we had seized the prisoner—and I saw Newbold find two bad florins in the mud—this piece of tissue paper was on the top of the mud—that was about an hour afterwards.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Was I on the same side as the other two?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; you were on the other side of the road, but you were all in company, for I had followed you half a mile—I had seen you with the other two all the evening.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-125" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-125" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM NEWBOLD</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, N</hi> 151). I was with Stammers, and assisted in taking the prisoner and the other lads—a policeman in uniform, named Higgings, who is not here, had charge of the prisoner—I was not in uniform—I saw the prisoner draw his hand out of his trousers pocket, throw something away into the mud, and put his foot on it—I saw it fall—I noticed the spot so as to know it again—we then went on to the station-house, and on the road I saw another lad drop a shilling, which I picked up—I afterwards came back to the spot, and found these two florins and this piece of paper in the mud.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> When you saw me draw my hands out of my pocket, why did you not come to me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Because I was holding a prisoner at the time, and I expected he had got some money on him—he dropped a shilling.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-126" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH HUNT</persName> </hi>. I am a widow, and manage a coffee-house for my brother at Weston-place—on 23d December, a little after 7 in the evening, the prisoner came for a cup of coffee and a slice of bread and butter, which came to 1 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he gave me a shilling—I detected it and sent it by my niece next door, to see if it was good—she came back, gave it to me bent, and said that it was bad—I gave it back to the prisoner—I put the change down, and the prisoner said I had only given him 9 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. instead of 10 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. but I am sure I had given him full change—I gave him in charge—a neighbour got the bad shilling from him, gave it to me, and I marked it and gave it to Sheriff.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did you not take your shilling into the parlour, and say that you had not got change?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I never moved from the shop.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-127" type="given" value="MARTHA"/>MARTHA MAHEN</persName> </hi>. I am a niece of the last witness—she called me into the shop and gave me a shilling—I took it next door, saw it tried, and it was returned to me as bad—it was bent on the counter—I brought it back and gave it to my aunt—the prisoner gave her another shilling—my aunt</p>
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<p>gave him in charge, after a little dispute—I saw the shilling given to Sheriff—it was the same that my aunt gave me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-128" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY SHERIFF</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, S</hi> 457). I took the prisoner at Mr. Hunt's coffee-house, and received a bent counterfeit shilling, but have lost it—I searched the prisoner and found nothing on him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-129" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-129" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This shilling and florin are both bad—the shilling, said to have been dropped, is also bad—these two florins found, with the tissue paper, are bad, and from the same mould as the first.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-151-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">O'CONNELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-131" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-131" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH JONES</persName> </hi>. I am barmaid to Mr. Epiteau, of the Cafe de L'Opera—on 31st October, about 4 o'clock in the afternoon, the prisoner came and asked for two bath buns—I served him—he gave me a bad five shilling piece—I suspected it, but gave him change—I afterwards found it to be bad—I put it in my purse and showed it to Mr. Epiteau on 53d December, having kept it in my purse all that time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I was not in London in October; I was in Scotland.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I have no doubt whatever of you.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you sure it was the end of October?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I am almost sure; it was Monday I know—I have ascertained that since, but was afraid to say so at first.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-132" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-132" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE EPITEAU</persName> </hi>. On 23d December I received this crown from the last witness and gave it to Bennett.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-133" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-133" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-133" type="surname" value="JONES"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-133" type="given" value="SARAH"/>SARAH JONES</persName> </hi>. I am also barmaid to Mr. Epiteau—on Friday, 23d December, the prisoner came into the bar about half-past 8, and asked for two bath buns—he paid with a 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. piece—I sounded it on the counter, and at that moment the waiter, Edward Freeman, laid hold of him by the shoulders and said, "I think old
<hi rend="italic">chap</hi> you have served us so before"—the waiter said to me, "Here, hand over that to me," and I gave him the crown.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did not you say William, William, I do not know whether it is not bad or not?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I did not utter a word—his name is not William—I did say, "Don't handle him so roughly"—that was when the prisoner was trying to get away from him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-134" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD FREEMAN</persName> </hi>. I am waiter at the Cafe de L'Opera—on a Monday at the end of October, a person came in there for two bath buns—I cannot say whether it was the 31st—I saw him served by Elizabeth Ann Jones—he gave her a 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. piece—she gave him the change, and after he had gone she called my attention to it—it was bad—the prisoner is the person, I am quite sure—I saw him in the shop again on Friday, 23d December, and recognised him before he asked for anything—I kept a sharp watch on him—he asked for two bath buns and was served, and handed a 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. piece in payment—directly he put it down I collared him, and said, "You nave been here before and I expected to see you again"—I asked for the crown piece, and he snatched it away from me and concealed it in his collar next his skin, I believe; but I had it long enough to see that it was bad—he said he had never been into the house before, and that he was a servant in the neighbourhood; he was without a hat on both occasions—a constable was sent for—the prisoner refused to be searched, and we fetched another policeman—he was put in a cab, and before he got seated, the policeman</p>
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<p>said, "There it is," and I picked up a crown piece and gave it to the constable—I did not see the prisoner throw it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> How do you know it was bad?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> By the sight and feel of it—my knuckles never touched your neck—you said, "If you want to search me take me to the station and search me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When you seized the prisoner by the collar, did he want to sit down?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; but he only offered to sit down and be quiet after he had attempted to get away.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-135" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-135" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS BENNETT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, C</hi> 157). On 23d December, I was called to Mr. Epiteau's, about half-past 8 o'clock—he gave the prisoner in charge—a cab was sent for, and on getting in I saw him put his left hand outside the cab, and saw something glitter past the lamp—a 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. piece fell—I called to Freeman to pick it up, which he did, and gave it to me—this is it (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), and this other Mr. Epiteau gave me—I searched the prisoner at the station and found some coppers, this knife, and a key.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> When I got into the cab, had you not hold of my hand?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Of your right hand—I took hold of both your hands in the first instance.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-136" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-136" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-136" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These coins are bad, but from different moulds.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I know nothing of the first transaction; I offered the second believing it to be good. I never had it in ray possession after the waiter had it. I never had it in the cab I was never in custody. I have a wife and three children, and am 47 years of age.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-152-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-152-18600102 t18600102-152-punishment-23"/>Confined Six Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM SAWYER</hi> (18)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18600102-153-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="coiningOffences"/>, Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. DOYLE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">O'CONNELL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-138" type="witnessName">
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-138" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN SHECKLETON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, S</hi> 132). I remember seeing the prisoner on the 13th of last month—I saw him on the canal bridge at St. Paul's-terrace, Camden-town—he had nine rabbits on a stick—I passed him and went in search of another constable—I came back—I asked him the price of the rabbits—he said, "One shilling"—while I remained in conversation with him another constable came up—I then saw the prisoner put his left hand into his trousers pocket—we were standing on the foot path over the canal bridge—he drew from his pocket two parcels, one brown, and the other black—this brown stuff (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) was the covering of one of the parcels—I then took the prisoner in custody—he threw one parcel into the canal; the other went on to the towing path—I kept him in custody for about 20 minutes on the spot, until I got another constable—I then went in search of what I saw fall into the water, but it sank before I could get it—I then went on the other side where this brown one fell, and the witness, Wingrove, took it up and opened it in my presence—he went with me to the station, and gave it to me there—these four bad shillings (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) were in the parcel—the covering is a sort of canvas bag—it is the same that I received from Wingrove, and the same which I had seen the prisoner throw away—I never lost sight of it from the time it left his hand till it fell on the towing path.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you a member of the police at the time this happened?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I was in uniform—it occurred about 1 o'clock in the afternoon—I did not speak to him when I passed by him at first—two females and another man were with him then—I returned to him in about five minutes after I had passed him—the two women and the</p>
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<p>man were still with him—they neither of them said a word when I spoke to the prisoner about his rabbits—they said nothing during the whole of the time—when I seized hold of the prisoner, the other man made his escape in a moment—I am quite certain that I did not go after that man at all—I did not, move from the spot—I addressed my remarks as much to that wan as to'the other—they were both standing side by side—I put out my haud towards the other man; he was too quick for me—one was on the carriage way, and the other on the foot path, near the parapet of the bridge—I did not hear the man or the woman say anything to the prisoner—I did not hear the man ask the price of rabbits—I did not go after that man at all—when I put out my hand towards him he ran away and escaped—I am certain he did not put his hand into his breeches pocket or any other pocket in my sight; nor when he was running away—I have been in the force seven years next May.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-name-139" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-139" type="surname" value="WINGROVE"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-139" type="given" value="DAVID"/>DAVID WINGROVE</persName> </hi>. On Tuesday, 13th December, I saw the last witness holding the prisoner at the foot of the canal bridge, at St. Paul's-terrace—I looked over the bridge—I did not see the prisoner throw anything—I saw on the towing path a little bag; this looks very much like the one I saw—I got over the rails and dropped down and picked it up—the constable met me through the other side of the bridge—I showed it to him and what it contained—it contained four bad shillings—I went with him to the Rtation-house and there gave it to him—the shillings were wrapped up in a bit of paper which I lost.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-140" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-140" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-140" type="surname" value="WEBSTER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-140" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These shillings are all bad—two are from one mould, the others are from different moulds—there are three moulds altogether.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JOHN SHECKLETON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were the two parcels thrown over the bridge before or after the man left?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> After; but he had not got more than three or four paces—I had no possible doubt as to who threw the money over.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18600102-153-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-153-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-141" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-141" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-141" type="surname" value="NEWEY"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-141" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS NEWEY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, P</hi> 299). I have known the prisoner for the last three years to be the constant associate of coiners, smashers, and thieves—he has been in custody on several occasions and was once convicted under the Criminal Justice Act.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-142" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-142" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-142" type="surname" value="FINCH"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-142" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FINCH</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, P</hi> 396). The prisoner was in my custody in April, 1859, for uttering counterfeit coin, and was sentenced to six months from this Court.</p>
<p>I am the prisoner's sister—this man has only had him once, and he got discharged—he said that if I treated him outside he would not come in and speak against my brother.</p>
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<interp inst="t18600102-153-punishment-24" type="punishmentCategory" value="noPunish"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-153-18600102 t18600102-153-punishment-24"/>
<hi rend="italic">Judgment respited.</hi> </rs> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, January</hi> 4
<hi rend="italic">th, and Thursday, January</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th</hi>, 1860.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—The Right Hon. the
<hi rend="largeCaps">LORD MAYOR</hi>; Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">BARON MARTIN</hi>; Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">JUSTICE BLACKBURN</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COPELAND, M.P</hi>.; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">JAMES DUKE</hi>, Bart., M.P., Ald.; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">FRANCIS GRAHAM MOON</hi> Bart, Ald.; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">LAWRENCE</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">MECHI</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">HALE</hi>; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON SERJEANT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Baron Martin, and the First Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">DAVID HUGHES</hi> (50)</persName>, was indicted
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<interp inst="t18600102-154-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="bankrupcy"/> for, that he having been adjudged a bankrupt, feloniously did neglect and omit to surrender himselfto the Court of Bankruptcy upon the day limited for his surrender—
<hi rend="italic">Seven other Counts</hi> not fully setting out the proceedings in bankruptcy.</rs> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. BOVILL</hi>, Q.C.,
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>, and
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="italic">In opening the case</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">directed the attention of the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to the wording of the 251st section of the Bankruptcy Act (12 and 13 Vic. c. 106), and invited an expression of opinion as to whether the words, "with intent to defraud," applied to the concealing, embezzling, and other offences alluded to in the section, or whether they were to be taken as applying only to the non-surrender: thu point had been referred to by Mr. Baron Parke in the Court of Criminal Appeal, in the case of Reg. v. Davidson and Gordon (Dearsley's Crown cases, 586), but had not been argued or decided.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered that the intent to defraud, mentioned in the 251st section, applied to the intent tx the act of non-surrendering; but he would rather hear such evidncee as was considered necessary, and deal with the points as they arose.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BAVILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">further referred to the cases of Reg. v. Hilton, 2, Cox's Criminal cases, Req. v. Arnold, Sessions Paper, Vol. XLIV. p. 649, and Reg. v. Lewis, Session Paper, Vol. XLIX. p. 63, as shewing that the mere production of the adjudica
<lb/>tion was sufficient to establish the fact of bankruptcy, without putting the prosecution to the formal proof of the various stages of the proceedings.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">although inclined to think such proof unnecessary, considered that the evidence had better be adduced, that if necessary, the matter might be reserved and decided.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-144" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-144" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-144" type="surname" value="COLLINS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-144" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS COLLINS</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Thomas Hamber one of the messengers of the Court of Bankruptcy—these papers (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) have the seal of the Court of Bankruptcy upon them—I find here a petition for an adjudication of bankruptcy and an affidavit of Ebenezer Hunt—the petition is dated 4th August, 1858, and the affidavit is made the same day, verifying the allega
<lb/>tion iu the petition—this is the original affidavit—here is also an adjudication of bankruptcy before Mr. Commissioner Goulburn on 5th August, 1858—it appears by the proceedings that the adjudication was disputed—I find a notice to dispute the adjudication—I find that the adjudication was con
<lb/>firmed on 12th August (
<hi rend="italic">The adjudication was here put in and read; it in dated 5th August, 1858, in the matter of David Hughes, scrivener dealer, and chapman.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">proposed to read the confirmation of the adjudication.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected to its reception at present, it being is no way traceable to the prisoner, or to anything to which he was a party.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that it was made evidence by the 10th section.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">thought the more regular mode would be first to prove the service of the duplicate adjudication in the manner prescribed by the 104th section</hi>)—I have the summons here—a day was limited for the bankrupt's surrender—I also produce a copy of the
<hi rend="italic">London Gazette</hi> of the 13th August, 1858—(
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected to the reception either of the summons or the Gazette, there being no certificate by the registrar of the Court with respect to the former, as required by the statute, nor any seal of the Court upon the Gazette.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">contended that the Gazette was evidence of itself.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">admitted that with respect to the Gazette its mere production would be sufficient but for the 240th section, which expressly directed that all documents should bear the seal of the Court; the bankrupt was the person who was to take notice of to advertisement in it, and he had a right to know that that advertisement was inserted by the authority of the Court of Bankruptcy.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that the Gazette was admissible, and that the section refentd to</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">a mere regulation applicable to the proprietor of the Gazette, with respect to the insertion of advertisements; but he would suggest to the counsel for the pro
<lb/>secution to prove the case by the steps-directed by the statute.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-145" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-145" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-145" type="surname" value="BOWERMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-145" type="given" value="EDWIN"/>EDWIN BOWERMAN</persName> </hi>. I am assistant to Mr. Hamber one of the messengers of the Court of Bankruptcy—on 5th August I served a duplicate of the adjudication against David Hughes—I served it, at 10, Canonbury-place, Islington, and at 13, Gresham-street, city, by affixing it on the office door—I put it on the door of Mr. Hughes's office—I believe that is on the second floor—I fastened it to the door with a wafer—the one I left at Canonbury-place I left in the hall—I fixed it against the wall with wafers—I believe 10, Canon
<lb/>bury-place, was the last known place of abode of David Hughes; and the office where I affixed the notice was the last known place of business.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi> (
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>).
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You never saw him at Canonbury-place, did you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I don't know that I knew his name till after the bankruptcy proceedings—I had never seen him at his place of business—I do not of my own knowledge know what his last place of busi
<lb/>ness was—I only know what I was told—the notice that I left at Canonbury
<lb/>place, I fixed on the wall, in the hall—that was the only mode in which I served it—I believe the office in Gresham-street where I fixed the notice, is on the second floor—I would not be positive about that—I believe it was—I made no memorandum of it—I made an affidavit a day or two after
<lb/>wards of the day on which I affixed it—I don't think I made any memo
<lb/>rrandum on that day—I have no doubt that it was on that 5th that I served it—I think I can positively say it was the 5th—I will say so—I believe there was on the door in Greshain-street, a reference to a Mr. Saow—I saw something there and read it—it was stating that papers and messages were to be left at Mr. Snow's—I recollect seeing that—I believe I did go to Mr. Snow's on that Saturday, I had the duplicate adjudication with me at the time, and I went from Mr. Snow's office to Mr. Hughes's office, and stuck it on the door—I left no copy of it anywhere else except at Gresham-street and Canonbury-place—there was nobody in the office at Gresham-streeet; if there was, they did not answer the door when I knocked—there were persons in the house in Canonbury-place—Mr. Ventom, the auctioneer, was there when I got there, and Mr. Hughes's groom was there, or a person who repre
<lb/>sented himself to be so—he was living in the house—I stuck up the adjudi
<lb/>cation in the hall at the bottom of the stairs—I believe my father saw me do that, but I am not quite certain—I should say nobody else saw me do it; he and I went together—I don't recollect who opened the door for me when I went—I recollect going into the parlour—I did not see any female servant in the house, I examined these copies of the adjudication myself personally—when I affixed the adjudication in Canonbury-place, it was in the evening, I think about 5 o'clock as near as I can recollect—I had served the one in Gresham-street before that, about 1 or 2 o'clock I think—the duplicates which I affixed were signed by the Commissioner; I remember that.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you present at the adjudication.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I was not—I had the adjudications—they were under the seal of the Court, as well as signed by the Commissioner—I have no doubt this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is the notice that I saw on Mr. Hughes' office door—
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "All letters and messages for Mr. Hughes to be taken to Messrs. Black and Snow, solicitors, 22, College
<lb/>hill, Cannon-street, in whose favour Mr. Hughes has relinquished his business")—I went to Mr. Snow, one of the gentleman referred to in that notice, and made a communication to him.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-146" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-146" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-146" type="surname" value="FRASER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-146" type="given" value="DONALD"/>DR. DONALD FRASER</persName> </hi>. I have occasionally prescribed for the prisoner—I</p>
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<p>was not his ordinary medical attendant—his ordinary medical attendant is very infirm—Mr. Hughes lived at 10 Canonbury-place—I attended him professionally duriug the latter end of June and the beginning of July 1858; the 4th or 5th July, I think, was the last time—his place of business was 13, Gresbam-street—I was in the habit of seeing him very frequently, he having been my professional adviser for years.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long had you attended him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> During the latter end of June and the beginning of July—I had occasionally prescribed for him, but his regular medical attendant was ill at that time—Mr. Hughes was suffering from derangement of the liver and the digestive organs, and from great anxiety of mind and general derangement of the nervous system—I advised him to take a trip on the Continent for a few weeks—he told me that there were some matters pressing upon him, and I advised him to take a little change on the Continent for two or three weeks—I considered at that time that he was not capable of attending to business.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say you advised him to take a trip on the Continent?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; go up the Rhine—he had stated that then were some little matters pressing very seriously upon him—he mentioned two sums of 9,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 7,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I was not at all aware that ho was about starting for Australia; I wish I had been—I understood it was only a temporary mattor—I had bad business dealings with him myself—unfortu
<lb/>nately there were money matters between us.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">now proposed to put in the confirmation of the adjudication</hi>;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected, but first submitted that the proof of the service of the dupli
<lb/>cate adjudication was insufficient, and that it ought to have been left with some inmate of the house; if there had been no one there who could have received it it would have been a different thing, but according to the evidence iliere wat a servant of Mr. Hughes at the house in Canonbury-place with whom it might have been left, instead of which the messenger had only fixed it by wafers in the hall; that was not such a service as came within the spirit of the Act; the same objection applied to the service at the place of business, there being a direct intimation given to all comers that messages were to be left with Mr. Snow.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that the service in both instances was suf
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">then proceeded to object to the reception of the confirma
<lb/>tion of adjudication; they should first of all prove that some step was taken ty the bankrupt.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">expressing an opinion that this portion of evidence was not necessary,</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">did not press it. Upon the London Gazette being tendered as evidence</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">objected; it must first be shown that there was no notice, disputing the adjudication, otherwise they could have no right to publish it.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that the requirements of the Statute had been complied with and it might be read. It was then put in and read; it was dated A ugust 13th 1858 and stated that whereat a petition in Bankruptcy had been on the 4th August filed against David Hughes, scrivener, dealer and chapman, and he having been declared a bankrupt, he was required to surrender himself to the Court of Bankruptcy at Basinghall-street on 24th August, at 12, and on 27th September at half-past 11 o'clock.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-147" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-147" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-147" type="surname" value="COLLINS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-147" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS COLLINS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I attended at the Bankruptcy Court on 24th August, and also on 27th September—the bankrupt did not surrender on either of those days—I was present during the sitting of the Court during both those days, and I am able to say that he did not surrender.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where was Mr. Commissioner Goulburn on the 27th</p>
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<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Mr. Commisioner Holroyd was there, Mr. Gouiburn was not; he was not in attendance during any part of the 27th September—I can't say that there was more than one Commisioner in attendance that day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Mr. Commissioner Holroyd was there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was he doing Mr. Commissioner Goul
<lb/>burn's business that day.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He was the Commisioner of the day in rotation—he took the general business of that day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-148" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-148" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-148" type="surname" value="BOWERMAN"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-148" type="given" value="EDWIN"/>EDWIN BOWERMAN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). On 13th August I served a summons at the bankrupt's premises, it was a summons under the seal of the Court, and signed by the Commissioner—I served it at Canonbury-place and in Gresham-street—I put it in the same place as I did the adjudication—there is here upon the proceedings a duplicate of the summons that I so served.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">submitted that this duplicate was not admissible, that the original document itself should be produced.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">in reply, referred to the case of Reg v. Arnoldt Sessions Papers, Vol. 14, page 649.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was of opinion that it was not necessary to produce the original</hi>,
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called the attention of the Court to the judgment of</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CHEIEF JUSTICE JERVIS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">in the case of Beg v. Gordon which supported the objection he had just taken.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BARON MARTIN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">did not think the rule of law there referred to, applied to notices, neither himself or</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. JUSTIC BLACKBURN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">had any doubt upon the matter.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> At what period of the day did you serve the notice?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Some time in the middle of the day I believe; I can't say positively—I think it was about the middle of the day, at both places—I examined that which I affixed, with the document before me—to the best of my belief it was about 1 o'clock, on 13th August, that I served it—(
<hi rend="italic">This was read, dated 15th August, 1858, and was a summons to the bankrupt personally to appear before Mr. Commissioner Gouiburn on 24th August, and 27th September—signed by Mr. Commissioner Fane</hi>).</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-149" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-149" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-149" type="surname" value="HUNT"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-149" type="given" value="EBENEZER"/>EBENEZER HUNT</persName> </hi> I am in partnership with my brother—we carry on business as drapers and furnishers—we are the petitioning creditors against the bankrupt—we had supplied goods from time to time to him—on 4th August, 1858, 294
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. was due to us for goods supplied; that is on the trade account—on the Friday after the 20th August, I went to Mr. Hughes's office and endeavoured to see him, but was unable—I enquired for him but was not able to ascertain where he was.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Who did you see?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I saw Mr. Haines, a clerk—the 294
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. arose on goods supplied—I did not deliver all the goods—I received the order for some of them—I do not know that I delivered the goods or any part of them—I do not think I did—the orders I speak of were not orders in writing—the 294
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 0
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. begins in the commencement of 1857—I am now looking at what Mr. Hughes himself gave me the order for—it is in my clerk's hand-writing—I do not know when he wrote it, certainly since the bankruptcy proceedings, not within the last day or two; it was about a month ago, from what I know—in the early part of 1858, I received the order for those things, from Mr. Hughes himself—there was oil-cloth ordered in 1858, in fact it was to furnish two rooms, the offices for the occupation of a Mr. Palmer—the order was given personally to me by Mr. Hughes—the articles were chairs, sofa, easy chair, two fenders, two rugs, two sets of fire-irons, and I believe there were two coal scuttles—I don't know that that is all—it is all I can recollect at the present moment—I saw the oil-cloth delivered—the value of that might be 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; I dare say it was as much as that—I cannot</p>
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<p>say that I saw anything else delivered, but I saw them in those rooms after the delivery, before and after the bankruptcy—the whole of the goods that I have enumerated amount, I should think, to 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I mayf have omitted some things—I omitted the Turkey carpet and rug—what I have mentioned did not come to 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I do not know that I have now told all—our books are here—I saw the oil-cloth, the Turkey carpet and rug, after the order was given—I should think that was about thirteen guineas the two—I saw the sofa—I should think that might be perhaps 9 or 10 guineas—I saw the easy chair; I should think that came to 5 or 6 guineas; I believe I sat in it—I saw the rug in the other room, and I saw the fenders—the fenders might be about 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or a couple of pounds—I saw two sets of fire-irons; they might be about 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. perhaps—there were half-a
<lb/>dozen cane-bottomed chairs, about 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. the half-a-dozen, and I think there was an arm-chair that I omitted to name—that was not the easy chair that I sat in—the arm-chair might be worth 2 guineas—I do not know that you have got all now—I have told you all that I can recollect.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is this the account you made out; did you see it at the time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; it correctly describes all the things that were sent.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you apply for payment at all?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say that paper accurately describes all you sent in 1858?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> All that I had the order personally from Mr. Hughes to supply for those offices—the things here mentioned are, or were, of the value of 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—it is 60
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.; that is at the regular trade price; that was the account in 1858—independent of that, he owed me 144
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. at the end of 1857—with respect to that account of 144
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., he told me in the course of March or April, 1858, "Hunt, I intended to have sent you a cheque for your trade account, but I have been rather short of money and will do it in a little time"—that remained unpaid down to the time when he went away, and it remains unpaid still.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> I think you have already stated that you are one of the petitioning creditors?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I am one—I have known the prisoner nearly twenty years—he has been my solicitor for fifteen years—I have from time to time entrusted him with money for the purpose of investing on mortgage or any security that he represented to me was good and sound—I trusted to his discretion and judgment in those matters; he was my solicitor—I think the first time that I entrusted him with money in that way, was about 1843—on that occasion I entrusted him with a sum of 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he sent me deeds—I expected he would lend it on mortgage—he told me that whenever I had any money to spare, he had securities, or could obtain securities for the investment of that money, and it was in con
<lb/>sequence of that, that I entrusted him in 1843 with 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he only told me by the deeds what he had done with it—he sent me some deeds, and I believe it was lent to a party—I kept the deeds—I cannot say exactly up to what time, because when he wanted them, from their being paid off, as I supposed, he sent for them, and I returned them to him then—I believe the deeds were transferred to some other name than the original one—I do not recollect that the prisoner ever told me so—I do not know a person of the name of Webb at all—there was the name of Webb in my half-yearly accounts that were rendered (
<hi rend="italic">looking at tome papers</hi>)—these accounts do not commence quite so early as the one we are now speaking about—accounts were rendered to me by the bankrupt—these are the accounts; I believe they are the writing of one of the clerks that was in the office at the time—I have frequently had conversations with the defendant about those accounts,</p>
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<p>from time to time, for they were frequently being exchanged—he always sent me two; one to be returned signed, and the other I kept for my own purposes—I have frequently conversed with him on the details of them that applies to the whole of these accounts.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Will you undertake to swear that you ever spoke to him about that particular account? (
<hi rend="italic">selecting one</hi>)
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, I will, about this particular account that I have in my hand—I do not mean to say that this paper was produced—I do not know that any paper was produced at all; he did not always produce papers when he conversed with me about money—I cannot speak to any particular conversation—I cannot say whose hand writing—this is; I should suppose an accountant's—I believe it is either in Mellers handwriting, or Ellis's—should not like to swear to their hand
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Whosever writing it is, have you talked to the prisoner about the contents of that document?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, I have—I did not receive it from his hands; very likely it came by post—I received the balance of the account from Mr. Hughes by cheque; that is, the balance of the interest—(
<hi rend="italic">This account was put in and read: it commenced on 8th June, 1858, and was headed, "Mr. E. Hunt in account with Messrs. Overton and Hughes." It contained on one side three items of loans, to Thomas, </hi>1,000
<hi rend="italic">l., Anderson </hi>5
<hi rend="italic">l. and cash </hi>100
<hi rend="italic">l., and on the other, cash on mortgage </hi>1,000
<hi rend="italic">l., and do. Burnt repaid </hi>600
<hi rend="italic">l.; the balance of the interest was </hi>78
<hi rend="italic">l. </hi>10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d.; the account was examined 6th February</hi>, 1851.)—I received some deeds from Mr. Hughes to represent this amount, when it arrived at this amount—this other account was settled in the same way, but I do not recollect any particular conversation—(
<hi rend="italic">This was a similar account examined August, 1856, amounting to </hi>4,450
<hi rend="italic">l., consisting of various items to the names of Perryman, Thomas, Cheatle, and others.</hi>)—I had entrusted him with that sum of money, mentioned as "Perryman 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>." to invest—I had entrusted him also with 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to Thomas of Albion-place, and 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. Wells, ground rent, Cheatle 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., Dalston 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and Dalston 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—all those sums of money were entrusted to him to invest—I was sometimes acquainted with what the securities were to be; not always—sometimes he would write a letter, "I have such and such securities; will they suit you?"—the signature, "Overton and Hughes," to this letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is in Mr. Hughes's hand
<lb/>writing—the next is signed by Ellis, the accouutant—the next is signed, "David Hughes"—that is signed by Hughes—(
<hi rend="italic">The following letters were here put in and read</hi>:—"7th June, 1850—To Mr. Ebenezer Hunt. Dear Sir,—We have a safe investment for 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., interest at 5 per cent to commence this day, payable half yearly, on 24th June and 25th December a proportionate part. Be so good as to send us a cheque by bearer, crossed Currie and Co. Overton and Hughes."—"16th July, 1852. Dear Sir,—Herewith we beg to hand you cash account in duplicate, which we trust you will find correct. Please return one copy signed. For Overton and Hughes; R. Ellis."—"31st December, 1852. Dear Sir,—The property at Highbury, upon which 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. has been advanced by you is about to be transferred, and I will thank you to call and sign the transfer deed the first time you are passing this way, and in the meantime I shall get you good security, and the interest will continue as heretofore. David Hughes."—"15th October, 1857. Dear Sir,—If you have any money to advance at a short period on a note payable at a banker's, on deposit of deeds at 7 per cent. I have a client who will require such in a week or two. David Hughes"—The name of "Palmer and Co" was put up over the office that I</p>
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<p>furnished at Mr. Hughes's desire—I think both Mr. Hughes and Mr. Palmer used these offices afterwards, but I understood in the first instance that that was to be separate for Mr. Palmer's use—on going there I occasionally found both there—I cannot say whether any portion of this paper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is in Mr. Hughes' writing—I saw Mr. Hughes before he left this country, two or three days previous to the 30th June—I first heard that he had left, when I received a circular, on a Friday after 20th July—in consequence of the receipt of that circular I went down to his office—it was not closed, but there was a notice outside on the door, on some plate, directing his parcels and letters to be taken to College-hill, to Black and Snow—independent of the trade debt there was 4,450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. due to me from Hughes, and there was 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. more—that 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was not money that I had entrusted to him to invest—it was, more properly speaking, money on call, that I might have when
<lb/>ever I chose to call for it—the 4,450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was money entrusted to him to invest, and which I am a loser of, with the deeds—I think there was only 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. that I let him have on call—when I went to the office I saw Mr. Haines; he referred me to Messrs. Black and Snow, where I went—I saw Mr. Snow—I got no money—I did not learn from them where the bankrupt was gone to—I asked him if he would look at my deeds—I did not learn where the prisoner was, or where he had gone to—I enquired, and was told he was gone away for the benefit of his health.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you afterwards get a letter from him yourself?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; afterwards, before I went to the office—I got the circular letter—I afterwards got a letter from him stating that he was at Melbourne—I heard where it was stated he was gone—I heard that a few weeks after he had gone—I heard that he had gone to Australia on board the
<hi rend="italic">Red Jacket</hi>—sometime afterwards I received a letter from him from Melbourne—I can't exactly tell when that was; it might have been in April, 1859—I made an application for a warrant to arrest him in Australia, and sent Brett the officer out for that purpose—that might have been after the receipt of the letter—it appears that he was brought from Australia, I believe, by Brett—the last time that I entrusted the prisoner with any money was about 1st February, 1858—that was the 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. that I have been speaking of, on the call account—it was only in two transactions that he had money of mine on call—that was this 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and a previous 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or it might have been 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; I can't say exactly—on each of these occasions he paid me interest for the money—no, not for the last; he was to pay me interest—the agreement was, to pay 5 per cent, interest for these two amounts—I believe the last time before that upon which he had received money from me for the purpose of investing, was in 1856—that was two sums of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. each—they were to be invested on good security—the name of the borrower was not told me at that time—that was in March and May, 1856—I do not know that this "1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in hand, Dalston," in this account in 1856, was made up of these two sums of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—there was a 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. previously—I cannot tell you which of the items this refers to—I see I have signed this account—I know that he had 4,450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. of my money in his hands at this time—I believed that some portion of it had been invested at that time, because I had got the deeds—I do not at this moment know what was uninvested—I don't know that I had any conversation with him after May, 1856, with regard to these two particular sums of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—this is the interest account.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What is the meaning of this "In hand, Dalston? "did not you under
<lb/>stand that that was money upon which he himself was to pay you interest and to give you a mortgage upon the Dalston estate?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He told me that he</p>
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<p>would give mo security two or three times the value of my advances—it was not understood between us that he was to be the borrower of these two sums of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and that he should give me security upon the estates—he did not say what he should give me—it was not understood between us that he should have the loan of these two sums, and give me security—I did not know what security would come to me until it came—I did not know that he was going to have the money, and to use it himself—I did not inquire when this account was sent in, upon what security these sums of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. had been invested, not even when I saw Dalston written here—I had such implicit confidence in my own solicitor that I considered any deeds that he sent me were perfectly correct—I had not got any deeds in August, 1856, in respect of these last two sums of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I did not inquire at all what this "In hand, Dalston" meant—of course I saw that the interest was being paid upon them from the respective periods when I advanced them to him—I did afterwards have handed over to me some deeds, which professed to be securities—you have the deeds there—you can look at them—he sent me those deeds as security for my money—he was my confidential solicitor—I cannot tell you upon what day I got these deeds—I believe it was somewhere in October, 1856—after October, 1856, I felt perfectly satisfied that my 4,450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was safe—I did not know that Mr. Hughes was himself the borrower of the money at that time—I did not know that my money was outstanding and that he was paying me interest upon it as a loan to himself—I never knew it—I believed these deeds were security for my money—I did not consider Mr. Hughes was the borrower—I considered that he, as my solicitor, found me sound security—the last advance I made to him before March, 1856, I believe was in 1854—that was 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to a Mr. Perryman—that was a specific loan to Perryman—the sum before that I believe was two sums of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to a person of the name of Cheatle—I be
<lb/>lieve that was in 1852—when he sent me the deeds I considered that it was a specific loan to Cheatle—I advanced these two sums of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the 15th and 23d November, 18541 believe—I don't know when I got the deeds—I can't tell how soon after that I learnt that Cheatle had got the money—I never inquired whether he had got the money—Mr. Hughes did not tell me that he wanted the second 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to make up Cheatle's loan of 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he wanted 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and these two sums of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. made the 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—Cheatle's name was not mentioned to me as the person who wanted the money—it waa mentioned to me when I saw the deeds—here is the application for it—the whole of this is in the prisoner's handwriting—this is the application upon which I lent the two sums of 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "9th November, 1852. To Mr. Ebenezer Hunt. Dear Sir, I have a security of a life estate in the dividends of 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. stock, standing in the books of the Bank of England, in the name of Mr. John Williams, of Oxford-street, Silk-mercer, a policy of assurance for 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and two houses of the value of 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., would this suit you or your brother? Yours faithfully, David Hughes")—That is the letter upon which I advanced the sum of 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. but I never received the dividend referred to there of Mr. Williams of Oxford-street—there was no charge ever made to me by Mr. Hughes for lending my money—no commission or anything of that sort; he was my solicitor—it was in that character that I handed him over the monies—I am one of the assignees—I don't recol
<lb/>lect the number of ounces of plate that Mr. Hughes left behind in his house—the furniture and plate realized about 2,300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I don't know whether there was 1,600 ounces of plate amongst that—there was a large quantity of plate—that 2,300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was realized by a sale under the bankruptcy—I am</p>
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<p>not aware that there is any reserved price put when there is a bankruptcy sale—I have heard that there was some building property at Shepherd's Bush, Dalston, and Holloway, and also a house in the Poultry, the house, in Gresham-stieet, and property at Turnham-green—we have no power to touch them—there may be property of considerable extent—I have asser
<lb/>tained, through the solicitor to the assignees, the extent of the property—I understand that it is property to a considerable extent, but I know nothing about it—I have informed myself, as assignee, as to the value of this property as much as I have considered it my duty to do, through my solicitor—I have taken interest enough to realize everything that is possible to be realized—I know the house in the Poultry—I do not know whether it has been sold—I do not know the value of it—I have heard Mr. Hughes say that he refused 17,500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for the house in Gresham-street—I have not heard the names of the people who offered it—I believe it was taken for the Agra Bank—I certainly did not take the trouble to enquire whether that offer was made for it—I do not know whether it has been sold; it may have been; I have not ascertained the value—I leave such a concern as that to my solicitor.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> With respect to these houses at Shepherd's Bush, is there one which is encumbered?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe they are all encumbered—we have realized I should think between 4,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 5,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. under the bank ruptcy—the assignees are involved in, I believe, seven chancery suits—I did not see the prisoner's house till the time of the sale—some carriages were left behind unsold—there was I think, a brougham, or something of that kind, aud a four-wheeled phaeton—I think there were two ponies—the car
<lb/>riage horses had been sold previously.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You have been asked whether you entrusted these monies to Mr. Hughes as your solicitor; did you know the defendant as a scrivener or as a solicitor?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have heard a little about it lately, and I know a little more about it than I wish to know—I heard nothing about it till I heard it discussed under the bankruptcy—I was not aware that Mr. Cheatle was the person proposed: that was left entirely to Mr. Hughes—in 1856, he owed me, I think, 4,445
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—it was 4,440
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. odd—those were the names or as
<lb/>sumed names of persons from whom the money was supposed to be due—I received from him in 1856 a bundle of securities—I do not know the precise date—these (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) are them—this deed does not state from whom the mortgage was, or to whom—I do not know that I took the trouble to open the deed and read it or see from whom the mortgage was—I believe I read a portion of Trist and Lucas' deeds, because I knew the individual who had them before me—this purports to be a mortgage by Hughes—I never got from him any securities for the 4,450
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. except this bundle of deeds, and I have never been able to realize a single sixpence upon them—I first heard that he had gone to Melbourne about a fortnight after the 24th of July—I cannot say to a few days—I do not think it came out at the same time how he had gone—there were so many rumours at the time that we hardly knew what to believe.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner's accounts were here put in; the last item of which was dated November 4th, 1856, of a transaction between David Hughes and Ebenezer Hunt.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-150" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-150" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-150" type="surname" value="LAWSON"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-150" type="given" value="ARCHIBALD SCOTT"/>ARCHIBALD SCOTT LAWSON</persName> </hi>. I am a solicitor, in partnership with Mr. Eyre—in June, 1835, Messrs. Trinder and Eyre, our predecessors, were em
<lb/>ployed to obtain some money for a client, from Mr. Hughes, and I was then their managing clerk—the money was deposited with Mr. Hughes by a per
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<p>named Woodman—I saw Mr. Hughes on the subject several times—Mr. Woodman had been a client of Mr. Hughes, and he died, leaving Mr. Ham
<lb/>bridge his executor, who instructed a client of our's in the country, a solicitor, to obtain an account of all money transactions between Mr. Woodman and Mr. Hughes—I wrote Mr. Hughes a letter first and after
<lb/>wards saw him, and he furnished the firm of Tripder and Eyre with this account (
<hi rend="italic">Produced. This was dated 1855, and was the account of the executors of D. Woodman with David Hughes</hi>)—Miss Woodman was also a client, and after her death Mr. Hambridge represented both—I applied to Hughes for the payment of the money shewn to bo due by that account, and I think the whole of it has been paid—there was 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on security when Mr. Hughes left the country—the papers have been out of our hands, and therefore I do not know whether it was paid or not—he handed over to me certain deeds for, I think, 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. which Woodman had deposited; upon which I wrote this letter and sent it by post. (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "1, John St., July 12, 1855. Woodman, E. and D., deceased. Dear Sir, will you be so good as to inform us whether the transaction between you and Miss Woodman in reference to the loan of the 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the deposit of the title deeds relating to the Linton property is evidenced by writing in any way, and whether there was any agreement between you and Daniel Woodman, as to the continu
<lb/>ance of the security, in writing: if so, we shall feel obliged by your forwarding them to us; we must also request you to be good enough to pay the 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., which you proposed to advance on a mortgage, for Miss Yeates' benefit, as mentioned in your statement of accounts to us. Mr. Hambridge will now arrange that, and all other matters relating to the trust, through his present solicitor. We shall be glad to receive a cheque for the amount immediately; the other matter and the accounts shall have out best attention, and we remain, yours truly, Trinder and Eyre. David Hughes, Esq. 13, Gresham-street")—I received an answer to that letter, but have lost it since my examination in the Bankruptcy Court—I have a copy here—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "13, Gresham-street, July 13th, 1855. To Messrs. Trinder and Eyre. Woodman E. and D. deceased. Gentlemen, I am surprised at your's of yesterday; all money received by me is received at interest and subject to six months call, and I either find security or hold the money without security, as most convenient to myself; these sums were so received by my late firm, and as I considered the course taken as somewhat offensive, as well with reference to these sums as also to my account, I shall be glad to be informed whether this mode of application is approved of and sanctioned by Mr. Hambridge. With respect to the 400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for which mortgage is being taken by Miss Yeates, I received instructions from Mr. Hambridge to make the proposal to her, and she having assented to it, the same was forthwith prepared, and as the legacy is due to Miss Yeates I can hardly suppose that Mr. Hambridge would wish to alter an arrangement which he himself first proposed, and which indeed cannot now be changed.
<hi rend="italic">Signed</hi>, David Hughes"—on 10th November, 1855, we received 550
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from the prisoner—I recollect seeing him in July, 1855—I cannot pretend to say exactly what he said, but he explained the style in which he did business—he said, "I receive monies and I give security; I can give you this security, "taking one out of his safe;" or I can give you another security, at another place"—I also objected to the mode in which his bill of costs was made out; he had not specified the items—he called his clerk to bring in a large book, and explained to me the nature of his en
<lb/>tries there; attendance from such a date to such a date, so many guineas—he</p>
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<p>said he was not in the habit of making it in the ordinary form in which solicitor's bills are usually made out—he charged the attendance in a lump, and I made the remark "You make out your bills more like a medical man"—he said "Yes, it is easier"—I then said, "There would not be so much difficulty in proving you a scrivener as we have in many cases"—he smiled and said, "No," or some such expression—I had gone there for the purpose of receiving the money, and with regard to ulterior proceedings if I had not obtained a settlement.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know that he had been solicitor for the Woodman's a great many years?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have reason to think he had—what he said in reference to security, was not security for payment by him of money he had in his own hands, and I was acting on such strict instructions that I could not do otherwise than as I did—all the charges were charges made as solicitor—they formed an item in his account—it was, to the best of my recollection, so many attendances and procuring such and such deeds to be executed.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-151" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-151" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-151" type="surname" value="ELLIS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-151" type="given" value="ROBERT YOUNG"/>ROBERT YOUNG ELLIS</persName> </hi>. I was clerk to the bankrupt from 1842 to 1854—I was acquainted with the nature of his business—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is a book which was kept under his directions, but it is not in my writing—I have known him to have sums of money in his hands for the purpose of invest
<lb/>ment, and he has invested that money from time to time, but whether to clients of his own, or under the direction of his clients, I cannot tell—he has invested money to a considerable extent—this is a list of the different sums of money that he held from different clients, for the purpose of invest
<lb/>ment: it is headed, "In hand"—the mode in which it was invested does not appear in any other part of the book—this book contains a general account of the monies that he held, belonging to different persons, and the mode in which it is invested—I know his writing—I believe these directions to the papers to be his, but should not like to swear to it—it is "Law Times, 3 insertions"—(
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "Solicitors having clients who are capitalists, may, by addressing Palmer & Co. Waterlow's, stationer, arrange for the safe invest
<lb/>ment of capital, and thereby secure a lucrative London business")—I do not know how he used to charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When do you say that this book.' was written, this list?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The date is to it; the first date is 1853; that is on page 25—I cannot say when page I was written, but it can be ascertained from the books—I should think it was about 1853—it could not be after that—I should think it would relate to matters previous to 1853—I left Mr. Hughes in 1854, and have had no transactions with him since.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-152" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-152" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-152" type="surname" value="JACOBS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-152" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED JACOBS</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to the official assignee—I produce from the bankrupt's books a journal marked 444—17.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where did you get that from?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was brought by the messenger.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-153" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-153" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-153" type="surname" value="HAMBER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-153" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS HAMBER</persName> </hi>. I am the messenger under the prisoner's bankruptcy—I took possession of his books in Gresham-street, and among them this one now before me—I handed it over to the official assignee—I also took posses
<lb/>sion of this cost book, No. 9, in Gresham-street.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Would it be part of your duty to be acquainted with any of the proceedings as to any money received?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I believe the officer who took him in custody would be able to give you information on that point—I know nothing about any communications received from Mr. Gattie Jones.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-154" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-154" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-154" type="surname" value="JACOBS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-154" type="given" value="ALFRED"/>ALFRED JACOBS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">continued</hi>). Cost book No. 9 was also delivered to me</p>
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<p>by the messenger—I find in it, at page 420, two entries of lump sums charged for making advances—one is, "To attendance on you on your requiring advice, and making some memorandums for you, and arranging as to the security to be ultimately given by you for payment, 10 guineas"—that is charged to D. W. Dax—another is "J. Anderson; attending on you and making memorandums, and making arrangements, as to securities to be ulti
<lb/>mately given by you for payment, 15 guineas"—at page 564 I find a gross lump sum of 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; the entry is the whole page—at page 700 I find again a lump sum to Mr. Tear: "Yourself and Mr. James; instruction for deposit, attending you therewith, reading over and attesting execution, 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—at page 742 here is a sum of 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. charged to the Rev.
<hi rend="largeCaps">J. R</hi>. Tucker—that is an entry of half a page—at page 778 here is a charge of 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to a Mr. and Mr. Gorton, on the loan of 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—"Attendance on Mr. Gorton on her requiring a further advance, and arranging to write to her; writing to Mr. Gorton and agreeing to make the required advance; attending Mr. Gorton and arranging the same; writing to Mr. J. Cave, and requesting him to inform us whether he had received any notice, &c.; drawing fair copy for service; instructions for affidavit; drawing same; 30
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>."—in cost-book No. 9, page 90, I find an entry of 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 2
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., to Mr. Edward Allport, "July 9th, 1851: attend
<lb/>ing you, taking out patent and advising you thereupon"—at page 111 here are two lump sums, "Mr. Jeremiah Allport; several attendances between January and December, 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—at page 281 here are two lump charges of 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. each: "November. Instructions for case, &c. 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.: 1851, promissory note, and arranging to make advance of 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. &c."—it is a very long entry.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you find that instead of ordi
<lb/>nary solicitor's charges of 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 8
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., they are all lumped together like a doctor's bill?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I find that applies whether it is a debt, or lending money, or anything else.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-155" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-155" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-155" type="surname" value="ABBISS"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-155" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES ABBISS</persName> </hi>, Esq. I am one of the Aldermen of the City of London, and am one of the assignees in this case—I have known Hughes about 10 years I should think—I have had transactions with him—I have given him money to find security for me—that was first done some five or six years ago, I should think; I cannot say exactly—I rather think he applied to me for money, and he was to find security—I let him have money, and he found me security—I knew nothing personally of the security; I trusted to Hughes's judgment—I did not know anything of the person to whom the money was advanced—Hughes has had altogether 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., in, I think, three different transactions; I cannot charge my memory perfectly—I think about four years ago was the last transaction—I remember one of the securi
<lb/>ties being paid off, but the money remained in Hughes's hands to re-invest—it was not re-invested—the sum that was to have been re-invested, but was not, was 250
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. I believe—I applied for that money and got it—I made application, I think, 12 months before I got it, and was put off by various excuses—I saw Hughes upon it myself—when I applied for the money, he said that I could not have it without giving six months notice—I gave the six months notice—he did not, at that time, say anything about re-investiug it for me—the note was returned to me as money in hand—I was dissatisfied with that, and required the money—I did not get it at the end of the first six months: I communicated with him again, and insisted upon having the money, and ultimately I got the money—besides these transactions the prisoner has made applications to me to advance money.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were they in writing?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I had several applications from Mr. Hughes in writing.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. POLAND</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you looked for those letters?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I destroyed them—I remember quite well the contents of one letter; it was an application for 1,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., for which he could get me good security, and he offered me 6 per cent.—I should think that is about four years ago, as near as I can remember—I did not advance it—I have had more letters than one, that I have destroyed—they were applications to me to advance money, and offers by him to find security.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is it four or five years since you had any application from him for money?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think about that time—I think he has had money from me three different times—there was a sum of 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. advanced to, I believe Smallpiece and Galton are the names; and my impression is that it was 700
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. not advanced to those two gentlemen only, there was another name, but I cannot say that there was another 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. advanced—I cannot say without referring to my books—I cannot tell without referring to my books whether that was during the time that Mr. Overton was in partnership with Mr. Hughes—it is seven or eight years ago—of that sum of 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was paid off by Mr. Smallpiece—I think that was at the time that it was advanced to Galton, or some other name—I received interest on that 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for several years from Mr. Hughes—I received a yearly or half-yearly account from him—I do not think that I have got one of those half-yearly accounts—I have destroyed them—he debited himself in those half-yearly accounts with the 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and interest as as a debt due from himself to me, paying interest regularly as a loan to him
<lb/>self, and calling it money in hand—I was not in partnership with Mr. Downing: he was co-trustee with me—I always received the interest on this money—I do not recollect, at the present time, how it was reduced from 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to 240
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I think 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was repaid afterwards; there remained 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and 240
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was the 240
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. money which had been paid off by Mr. Galton?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think that is the name, and there was the name of Turner also, I think—Mr. Galton was paid off and received interest upon that—I received interest for all money advanced to Mr. Hughes from 1853 down to the time of his bankruptcy—the 300
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was paid off with interest three or four ago; I don't remember the date: I could tell by reference to my books at home—a portion of Smallpiece's money was paid off—I received interest down to the time of Hughes's bankruptcy—I was not aware that the money was in his hands until eighteen months before I received it—I was dissatisfied at its being returned as money in hand, and made an application for it—after that I received it.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-156" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-156" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-156" type="surname" value="LOCKETT"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-156" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS LOCKETT</persName> </hi>. I am a lead and glass merchant of 10, Norton Folgate—I knew Mr. Hughes during the time of his carrying on business, and entrusted him with money to invest from 1843 to 1851—as far as regards the commencement of the account the security was named by him, I think, but at the latter part of the time he selected the security.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-157" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-157" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-157" type="surname" value="ROPE"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-157" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY ROPE</persName> </hi>. I am a grocer of Whitechapel—I entrusted the prisoner twice with money to invest for me—I left it to him to find securities for me—I did not personally know the name of the borrower, or the nature of the security—this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) is a letter I received from the prisoner—it bears his signature—I placed money in his hands in 1849 and 1850. (
<hi rend="italic">Letter read</hi>: "25, Old Jewry, 31st December, 1852. Dear Sir, the property at Highbury, upon which 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. has been advanced by you, is about being transferred, and I will thank you to call here to execute the transfer deed the first time you pass this way—the day for settlement will</p>
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<p>take place about 21st January next, but in the mean time, I shall obtain for you a good and safe security, so that the interest will continue as here
<lb/>tofore. Yours faithfully, D. Hughes"—the money never came into my possession afterwards</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> In 1849 who was the money advanced to?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think it was to a Miss Thomas, at Highbury—it was on the security of some premises at Highbury—the property in the second transaction was represented to be at Dalston—I was not personally aware that Mr. Hughes had property at Highbury and Dalston—my money was lent on those representations.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you give him the money to invest, and did he tell you the nature of the security afterwards?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The first was given to advance on mortgage, and the other in the same manner.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-158" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-158" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-158" type="surname" value="HART"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-158" type="given" value="EDWARD"/>EDWARD HART</persName> </hi>. I am an accountant—I have gone through some of the bankrupt's books—the amount of his debts, according to his books, is 160,400
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I have been through his books from 1844 to 1855, and find that his drawings out exceed his profits 41,725
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You have included in that, mort
<lb/>gages and everything?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I have taken the cost of the property mortgaged as appears by his own ledger: the cost price, not the improved value of it—I do not know that a great deal of the property has been improved by coming into use for building operations—I believe there have been a great number of houses built, because the books show the ground rent—I do not know the number—I think there are seven houses built upon one property—there are fourteen houses on the Turnham-green property—I do not know whether the rest of the estate has been laid out with sewers and roads formed—I believe ground-rents, amounting to 240
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum, have been created on the Holloway estate—I have taken the ground-rent into consideration in estimating the value of the property: I beg your pardon, I was looking at another page, I have taken that property at what it cost him only—I have not seen any estimates made by surveyors—I simply had his books—I have seen a property sheet filed by the bankrupt, I have it before me—my estimate of 160,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. is the balance of accounts which are opened in his ledger—I did not get one of them from his balance-sheet—it is the amount of his indebtedness, not of his property—his Shepherd's-bush property is stated to be thirty-two acres—I have put the value of that down at 7,622
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. being the amount of the cost—all the improvements are added to the original cost in that 7,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I have taken that as the cost price, with simply the sum expended on it—I have not taken into consideration the increasing value given to the land in consequence of the expenditure—I do not, knew that that property has been valued at 25,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. by Mr. Oakley—Mr. Neave is not here—I did not hear his examination before the Magistrate, I was not there—I read it—I do not know what the Turnham
<lb/>green property consists of of my own knowledge, but according to the bankrupt's statement it is twenty-four acres odd—the ground rents, created upon that are 70
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. per annum, and it is stated that that is half an acre only, leaving the other twenty-three acres to be disposed of; but the ground rente have been sold by the bankrupt—I got that from one of his books con
<lb/>taining a list of the property, the same book that contains his estimate of the value—I do not find in the same book an estimate of the Turnham
<lb/>green property; the 184,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is that one of the bankrupt's books?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It is—I know that because it bears the official assignee's number.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. HAWKINS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is that the book you got the 360,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. from?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I got that from the ledgers—I have not been referring to this book while I have been giving my answers here—I got it from the official assignee's office—the ledgers are here—I did not get from the official assignee the estimate which has been made of this property by their own surveyor—I did not learn from the official assignee that the value of the Turnham Green property was 28,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I do not know that there is anybody here that has made an estimate of the value of it—I cannot myself say as much as a surveyor as to the value of the property when developed—I have not got the book of in
<lb/>formation now—I had every opportunity of going through the books—they were regularly kept—the ledgers and cash-books were kept very regularly indeed—I was able to get every information so far as my inquiries went, not quite so much as I should expect to find in any books; but as far as my inquiries went I found that the accounts had been regularly kept down to the last month—there was not in the books every farthing of property accounted for; some was not down at all—there was the Birkbeck school, a small property which he values at 600
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; but the estates are all entered there and the cost laid out upon them—I do not know whether the pro
<lb/>perty-sheet I have mentioned was found with the books—I do not know who found them—it was the messenger's duty to take them—I know nothing about the Agra bank.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BOVILL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You have been asked about these various properties and ground rents, do you know whether any part of the property remains to the beneficial interest of the bankrupt?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I do not.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18600102-name-159" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18600102-name-159" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-159" type="surname" value="SILVER"/>
<interp inst="t18600102-name-159" type="given" value="FREDERICK"/>REV. FREDERICK SILVER</persName> </hi>. I am one of the executors of a lady named Fencott—I remember having an interview with the prisoner at his office in Greaham-street, in consequence of some money matters in connection with that estate—it was at the latter end of 1857, I believe—about 7,000
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was alleged to be owing to the prisoner on Miss Fencott's estate—there were of couple of bonds—I went for the purpose of obtaining payment of the money—I saw the prisoner, and applied for payment—he said that money was very dear at that time in the London market, and it was most inconvenient for him to pay—I asked him what time he could mention to pay, but he de
<lb/>clined giving me any time—I thought it my duty to hint that if we had not the money soon we must take proceedings—he said that he should give no preference to one creditor over another, and that if we did he should seek protection in the Bankruptcy Court—I afterwards sent a couple of letters to him—I cannot remember the dates of them—these are them (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) (
<hi rend="italic">Read</hi>: "67, Cornhill, June 18, 1858. Dear Sir,—Since my arrival in town I have seen Mr. James, and had detailed to me the particulars of the conversation which took place between you and him a few days ago. You will not, I feel sure, be surprised when I say that I was not at all satisfied with the proposal you appear to have made to him, or that I look on matters as he does. I wish you distinctly to understand that my determination t