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<hi rend="largeCaps">CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WIRE MAYOR. THIRD SESSION</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">A star</hi> (*)
<hi rend="italic">denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars</hi> (**)
<hi rend="italic">that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk</hi> (†)
<hi rend="italic">that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES</hi>.</p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, January</hi> 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>, 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—The Rt. Hon. the
<hi rend="smallCaps">LORD MAYOR</hi>; Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">GEORGE CARROLL</hi>, Knt., Ald.; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">SALOMONS</hi>; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RECORDER</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder and the First Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">ABRAHAM ANSELL</hi> (39)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-4" type="given" value="PARKINS CHARLES"/>PARKINS CHARLES HAWK</persName> </hi>. I am a clerk in the Union Bank of London at the Argyll-street branch. On 1st December, a person came to my desk at the bank, and asked for Mr. Whitehead's pass-book—I cannot say for certain that I see that person here to-day—the prisoner is very much like the person—the person said, "I want George Whitehead's pass-book and cheques"—Mr. Whitehead keeps an account at our bank—it is not our custom to give back the cancelled cheques, unless they are asked for by the customer—it was the practice in Mr. Whitehead's case—I handed the pass-book to the person, together with the cancelled cheques in the pocket—among others, I believe there was one drawn in favour of Colonel Tynte—the person opened the pass-book, took out the cheques, and said, "It is all right."</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-5" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY GLENNY</persName> </hi>. I am a cashier at the Argyll-street branch of the Union Bank of London. On 3d December, about twenty minutes to 11 in the morning, a cheque was handed to me for payment over the counter—this is it—it purports to be drawn by a customer of ours, Mr. George Whitehead, in favour of Colonel Tynte, for 259
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., dated 1st December (
<hi rend="italic">read</hi>)—on looking at the cheque, I made some references, having some doubt as to the signature, which confirmed my suspicions—I did not ask the prisoner any questions about it—I immediately communicated with Mr. Inkpen, the manager, and the prisoner was introduced into his room.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-6" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE WHITEHEAD</persName> </hi>. I am a conveyancer, and have chambers at 10, Coleman-street, Oxford-street—I have an account at the Union Bank—this cheque was not drawn by me, or by my authority—the signature is a very good imitation—I have been in the habit of drawing cheques in favour of Colonel Tynte—I had three transactions with him in the month of Novem
<lb/>ber—I had not, on 3d December, received back the cancelled cheques from the bank—I have never received them since, nor my pass-book either.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-7" type="given" value="ROBERT FREDERICK"/>ROBERT FREDERICK INKPEN</persName> </hi>. I am the manager of the Argyll-street branch of the Union Bank of London. On 3d December I was summoned to my room, and found the prisoner there, and this cheque—I asked the prisoner from whom he got the cheque—he said from a person in Poland-street—I either asked him whether he knew the person, or he volunteered that it was Mr. Whitehead who had given him the cheque—I asked him if he had seen the person before—he said that he had met him a day or two previously, when he told him to come for the pass-book; that he had got the pass-book, and made an appointment for that morning to meet him again, when he promised him half-a-crown—I asked him his business—he said he was a brass-fitter, but was out of employment—I then inquired whether he did not think it strange that a person should entrust him with a cheque for 259
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to present—he made no answer—I then sent for an officer, and gave him into custody.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You are not sure whether you asked him, or whether he volunteered to say it was from Mr. Whitehead?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I am not quite sure whether I asked him the name of the person, but he certainly mentioned Mr. Whitehead's name, as the person that employed him to present the cheque—I am quite sure of that—I am not aware that Mr. Whitehead's name was mentioned before—I had the cheque in my hand—I made no memorandum of the conversation—I am speaking of it now from memory—this case was postponed from the last session—the assistant-manager was in and out of the room during this conversation.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, C</hi> 14). I took the prisoner into custody—I told him he was charged with passing a forged cheque for 259
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said, "I am very sorry for it"—that was all he said—he gave his address, 3, Phoenix-street—I found that to be his mother's address.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did he not say that he had nothing further to say except what he had said already?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said that at the station to the inspector—before the Magistrate, he said he had only to say what he had said before.
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner received a good character.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">of Uttering.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">Second Count,</hi> charging Saville with receiving.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. SALTER</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-16" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM HALL</persName> </hi>. I am a labourer in the London Docks—on 13th De
<lb/>cember, about 10 minutes to four in the afternoon, I was holding a gentleman's horse at 8, St. Mary-at-Hill, and saw Chance come out of No. 34, a shop where there are barrels and casks, with a large copper can in his hand—he came down the hill with it, and went through Cross-lane. towards Billingsgate, and then through a court into another lane—I did not follow him because I had the horse and cart—I went that evening, about 10 minutes to 9, with two policemen to Saville's house, which is a marine store shop, No. 53, Charles-street, Oakley-street, Lambeth—we found both the prisoners there, and I saw Sergeant Budd take out this copper (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) from under a table in the back parlour—I said that Chance was the boy who stole the copper—it was then broken up—Chance said "Here, here, put something behind him and struck me on the thigh with a 4 lb. brass weight—he said that Saville had bought the can of him for 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. and Saville said that he had—the policemen took them in custody—I had not seen Chance between the time he took the can, and his going to Saville's house, but I knew him well, and knew his parents.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Is St. Mary-at-hill on the Middlesex side of London-bridge?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—Oakley-street is between, the Westminster-road and the Waterloo-road—I have no watch, but there is a clock hanging up at St. Mary-at-hill—the can was not broken up while I saw Chance with it, but it might have been bruised—I did not see him go into Saville's shop with it—I saw him go in at 10 minutes to 9 with a 4 lb. brass weight—Westminster-road may be two miles from St. Mary-at-hill—I could walk there in half an hour—between 4 o'clock and 9 o'clock I gave information to a sergeant and private of the M division, and we went and searched Saville's old house in Gravel-lane—that was shortly after 6 o'clock—I have taken old rags and bones to a marine-store dealer's—I do not Know that old copper is worth 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. per lb.—I may have seen it on the bills.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you see Chance go into Saville's house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I saw him just going in when I was with the two constables—he had nothing in his hand, but one hand was in his pocket: he had nothing that I could see—we did not get to Saville's house till 9 o'clock because we went to his old house first, and he had changed his residence—I was engaged in searching for him till that time.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Chance. Q.</hi> Do you know me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Only as far as this case goes; you have been obliged to do various things for your living—I did not go out with you the first thing in the morning picking pockets.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Chance.</hi> Did not you and another young man with us pick a pocket, and go and sell it, and then did you not say, "We have had no luck to-day"; and I said "No?" You were not in charge of any horse and cart; you said to me, "There is a copper can to be got". I got it, and took a turn to the right, and lost you, and as you did not find me to give you half the money</p>
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<p>you went and called a policeman.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I had not seen you that day; Mr. Geo. Brew knows that I was at work with him, and earned 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. during the day, and Mr. Pigus gave me 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for holding his horse and cart.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman,</hi> 185
<hi rend="italic">L</hi>). On 13th December, about 9 o'clock at night, I was on duty in Oakley-street near Saville's shop—I went there with Hall, and found Chance standing just inside the shop door—Saville was just between the parlour and the shop—there is a door between the two—Hall pointed to Chance and said, "That is the boy that stole the copper"—that was in Saville's hearing.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not hear him say anything as I remained in the shop—I took this weight out of Chance's hand—the sergeant searched the shop; that was after he had mentioned the copper can in Saville's hearing—I weighed it; it weighed 11 lbs.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was 9 o'clock the first time you saw Hall?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, within a few minutes of 9—I saw Chance go into the shop.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are the constables on the Surrey side the M division?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, L</hi> 9). I went into Saville's shop. 53, Charles-street, Oakley-street, and found both the prisoners there—I did not say what I came for, but walked straight through into the back parlour, and found this copper can broken up under the table—the parlour is not the place where copper is kept; it is where they lived—there was a cloth on the table which hung down, but not far—I said to Saville, "You must go to the station; this copper is stolen"—I said to Chance, "What did you get for this?" He said, "5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>." Saville said "5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.," and then Chance said, Yes, 5
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>."</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Have you weighed it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I am not aware that 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. per pound is the price usually given for old copper.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-19" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN LAMONT</persName> </hi>. This copper is like mine—the new one I have had to buy cost 32
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. and is the same kind as this—it is worth 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. or 11
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. in this condition.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you able to identify it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, it is so dis
<lb/>figured—I use several of them in my establishment—they are under the control of a foreman, but I am able to say, from my own personal know
<lb/>ledge, that one is missing—I saw it in use about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, and a man complained to me about it next morning—it was worth, I suppose, 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. per lb.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Chances Defence.</hi> I am innocent of the charge; the witness stole it, and gave it to me to take home.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">WM HALL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you ever been in custody at all?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I have never had a charge made against me—I have never been in gaol—I have a character for twenty-one years.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM CHANCE</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-161-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-161-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18590103-161-punishment-4" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-161-punishment-4" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-161-18590103 t18590103-161-punishment-4"/>Confined Twelve Months</rs>.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">FREDERICK SAVILLE</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18590103-161-verdict-2" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-161-verdict-2" type="verdictCategory" value="notGuilty"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-161-verdict-2" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">There was another indictment for stealing the weight.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-162-offence-1 t18590103-name-21"/>Peter Henry</persName> his master; </rs>
<hi rend="italic">also</hi>
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<interp inst="t18590103-162-offence-2" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
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<hi rend="italic">He received a good character, and was recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.</hi> </rs> </p>
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-162-18590103 t18590103-162-punishment-5"/>Confined Nine Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIAM STALLARD</hi> (25)</persName>
<rs id="t18590103-163-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
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<interp inst="t18590103-163-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="simpleLarceny"/>, Stealing 21 billiard balls value 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., of
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-23" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-163-offence-1 t18590103-name-23"/>Charles Cayley</persName>; </rs>
<rs id="t18590103-163-offence-2" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-163-offence-2" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-163-offence-2" type="offenceSubcategory" value="simpleLarceny"/>also stealing 19 billiard-balls, value 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-24" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-24" type="surname" value="HARRIS"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-24" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-163-offence-2 t18590103-name-24"/>William Harris</persName>;</rs> to both of which he</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">
<rs id="t18590103-163-verdict-1" type="verdictDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-163-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-163-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18590103-163-punishment-6" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-163-punishment-6" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-163-18590103 t18590103-163-punishment-6"/>Confined Nine Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN WALKER</hi> (22)</persName>
<rs id="t18590103-164-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
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<interp inst="t18590103-164-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="simpleLarceny"/>, Stealing a carpet bag, 36 collars, and other articles, and 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in money, of
<persName id="t18590103-name-26" type="victimName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-26" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-26" type="surname" value="GILL"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-26" type="given" value="JOHN"/>
<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-164-offence-1 t18590103-name-26"/>John Gill</persName>.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-27" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-27" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-27" type="surname" value="GILL"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-27" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN GILL</persName> </hi>. I live at Cork. On 10th December last, I was in London—about 7 in the evening I took a cab in Cheapside, and saw my carpet-bag placed safely on the roof of the cab; it contained a coat, two shirts, and a good many articles—I have seen all the contents of my bag since—there was also 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 2 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., in money—I looked round three times as I went along, to see if my bag was safe, and the fourth time on looking round at Portman-square, it was gone—this is my bag (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—it contains all the articles that were in it when it was lost—I should say about ten minutes elapsed between my seeing the bag safe and missing it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SHARPE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What kind of cab was it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A four-wheeled cab—I was sitting outside next the driver, two gentleman were inside—they are not here—I did not see the bag again until last Friday—I am quite certain this is my bag, and its contents—it was quite dark when it was lost—I went on straight to the railway.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-28" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-28" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-28" type="surname" value="CARVER"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-28" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN CARVER</persName> </hi>. I am a cab-driver of 26, Doughty mews, Guilford-street—on the evening of 10th December, the last witness hired my cab, and placed a carpet-bag on the roof of it which has a cradle at the back, and an iron railing, according to the new regulations—this was shut down over the carpet-bag when I started from Cheapside—we missed the bag when we were in Portman-square.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> You mean an iron rail two or three yards above the top of the cab?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, the cradle is formed of two pieces of iron, which run up each side of the back, and some more across it—it stands up at the back to prevent the luggage falling over the back or sides—the cross piece reaches three parts of the way across the cab—the covered part reaches about half-way.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LILLEY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> At what time did you take up your fare?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Eight or ten minutes past 7—I was about half-an-hour driving to Portman-square—the cradle was up—it was over the bag; it stood upright.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-29" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-29" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-29" type="surname" value="HOLMES"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-29" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER HOLMES</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman F</hi> 50). On 10th December at a little after half-past 7 in the evening, the prisoner passed me while I was with another officer—he was carrying this carpet-bag under his arm, and walking very quick—I followed him a few yards, and was going to take hold of his arm, when he turned round, threw it down, and ran off as hard as he could—I pursued him and took him in custody—I found Mr. Gill's name on it, and had to write to Cork to him—I saw him for the first time on January 1.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you know the prisoner before?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; and he knew me I suppose: he had occasion to—I knew him to have been a thief, and he knew that I was aware of that fact.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-164-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">He was further charged with having been before convicted.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-30" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-30" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-30" type="surname" value="HOLMES"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-30" type="given" value="WALTER"/>WALTER HOLMES</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction (
<hi rend="italic">Read: "Westminster Sessions, November,</hi> 1857;
<hi rend="italic">John</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Walker, convicted of stealing a coat; Confined Twelve Months"</hi>)—I had him in custody—the prisoner is the person.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.**—
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18590103-164-punishment-7" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-164-punishment-7" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-164-18590103 t18590103-164-punishment-7"/>Confined Eighteen Month</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<persName id="def1-165-18590103" type="defendantName">
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<interp inst="def1-165-18590103" type="given" value="JOHN"/>
<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN SMITH</hi> (48)</persName>
<rs id="t18590103-165-offence-1" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-165-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="violentTheft"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-165-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="robbery"/>, Robbery with two others on
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-32" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-165-offence-1 t18590103-name-32"/>James Turtle</persName>, and stealing from his person 1
<hi rend="italic">porte monnaie,</hi> 1 bag of bread and other articles, and 12
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., in money, his property.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-33" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-33" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-33" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES TURTLE</persName> </hi>. I live at Sawpit-cottage, Hackney—on 9th December, between 6 and 7 o'clock, I was walking along King Edward's-road, Hackney—I heard footsteps behind me, and the prisoner seized me by the back of my neck, got his finger and thumb into my throat, and strangled me till I fell down insensible—he held me four or five minutes—there was one other person besides the prisoner—he took hold of my left arm—the prisoner seized me by the throat and strangled me; I cannot tell what was done afterwards and I was not aware that I was on the ground, but when I came to I was on the ground for a few seconds—I had in my pocket a porte monnaie, containing 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., a card, and two keys attached to a chain—I had a leather bag with me containing some bread and butter, and wood—I had been to market, and was going home—I afterwards missed my porte monnaie, and 3
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I described to the policeman where I thought he would find it, and he found it next morning, and I said that it was my chain—there was only 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in the purse.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>. Was it dark?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—the men were gone when I recovered, but immediately after that the prisoner was brought out of a garden on to the pavement, in custody—the policeman asked me whether that was the man—I said, "That is the man"—I have no doubt about him—I saw him immediately—the occurrence did not occupy eighteen minutes, and there were several others whom I cannot identify—(
<hi rend="italic">Charles Witham was called into Court.</hi>) I do not know that man—I do not recollect speaking to him that night.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-34" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-34" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-34" type="given" value="LEVY"/>LEVY FOX</persName> </hi>. I am a signal man on the Eastern Counties Railway, and reside at Eaton-place, Hackney—on 6th December, I was in the Cat and Mutton Fields—four men passed me going towards the Triangle; towards the spot where this happened—the prisoner is one of the four—they were going in the same direction as I was, they passed me twice; I was walking slowly—I shortly afterwards heard a scuffle and a fall on the ground—I ran about thirty yards towards the spot whence the sound proceeded, and saw four men pass me—I saw the prisoner running from where Mr. Turtle fell—he ran to a wall, and got over into a garden—I told a policeman—I picked up a carpet bag about fifty yards from where Turtle fell, in a direction towards the gar
<lb/>den wall; I took it back and gave it to the policeman—I called out "Police" and "Stop thief"—I saw a policeman get over the wall, and bring the prisoner back.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> When the four men passed me, I was about a quarter of a mile from where the prosecutor was lying, as near as I can guess—the prisoner is one of them, he passed me twice—I was about thirty yards from where I heard the fall—I walked back to where the man was lying—a young man was walking with me towards my home—I said, "I think here is a case on"—we heard a scuffle and a hat fall on the ground; that was the prosecutor's hat—that was about a quarter of an hour after the four men passed me—there are some ruins there—they were going towards where the</p>
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<p>prosecutor was afterwards attacked—I did not see him attacked, but I ran up to him and found him lying on the ground—I did not know the prisoner before—I was in quite as bright a mood as I am to-day—I have got a holiday to-day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-35" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-35" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-35" type="given" value="FREDERICK JOHN"/>FREDERICK JOHN UPTON</persName> </hi>. I am a carpenter, of Hackney—I was with Fox—I never noticed any men pass; but I heard a scuffle, ran up and saw the prisoner running away from the place, and two others—they ran towards the way we were coming; up among some trees where there was a wall and a garden—we looked among the trees, but could not find the prisoner—a policeman looked over the wall, saw the prisoner, got over, and brought him back—I saw the bag picked up between where the scuffle took place and the wall.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did you see the prisoner's face.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I only speak to him by his dress—I saw him after he was taken—he did not seem; to have been drinking; but he tried to sham being drunk—there were not many people about till after it happened; when two or three people came up, or there may have been half-a-dozen—there were not a dozen; they were men.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-36" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL MARTIN</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, N</hi> 454) I was coming "along King Edward's-road, on 6th December—heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and saw the prosecutor on the ground—I received information, went to a garden wall, and saw a man get over—I did not lose sight of him, but got over the wall—he went across the garden and was climbing the second wall when I took him—it was the prisoner—I took him to the prosecutor, who said, "That is the man"—he did not say a word—I took him to the station—Fox gave me this bag (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) with the things in it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Was he drunk?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not perceive it—I believe him to have been sober—I have only been drinking a very little to-day—I saw him go over the wall—I did not notice that there was a water-closet in the garden.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-37" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES TURTLE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). This is my bag.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-38" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES METTYER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, N</hi> 87). On the morning of the 10th, a place was pointed out to me by the prosecutor—I searched there, and picked up this
<hi rend="italic">porte monnaie</hi> a few yards from the spot.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">called</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-39" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES WITHAM</persName> </hi>. I am a boot-maker—I never saw the prisoner before to my knowledge—I was at the scene of this occurrence on this night, and saw three young men
<hi rend="italic">shoving</hi> each other, and behaving foolishly—they got fifty yards ahead of me, and stopped in a group—I saw four, and suppose the prosecutor to be one—I got about twenty-five yards from them, and at last within a yard of them, and they ran away—one of them had a black shiney bag like this in his hand, and ran past me with it—I saw the prosecutor lying on the ground, and saw them come away from him—I walked up to the prosecutor directly, and heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and "Police!"—only three men passed me; I saw no one else running away—I am able to say that the prisoner was not one of the three—there were two boys of about twenty, and a man about my height—I did not see the prisoner taken—I got mixed up with this by speaking of it in many places, and on one occasion I was having a glass of refreshment at the Horns opposite Shoreditch church, and heard a man and woman talking about it—I said that I saw it all, and the woman said, "Will you say that before a, Judge?" I said, "Yes"—my address was then written in a book, and I was</p>
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<p>subpoenaed—I never saw the prisoner in my life till now, and can swear he was not one of the three—they were thin stripling boys.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you say that two were boys of about twenty, and that the other was about your height and size?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, but not so old—I am over forty—it was one of the boys who carried the bag—I should think I was about forty yards off at the time I saw the group of four—it was a dark night, but there were lamps—the nearest point I could be on to the four, was twenty-five or thirty yards—it was in a road; there was a space on each side—the prosecutor laid close to a ruin, where a house had been pulled down—when I saw the group of four, I had just got up to the ruins—it is ten days ago that I saw them in the public-house; they only asked me for my name and address, and the man wrote it down in a pocket-book—I never saw the prisoner till I was standing where I am now, and I never saw the other man or woman before or since.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> If you never saw the prisoner before, how do you know he was not one of the three?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Because they were young men—I of course could not know that the prisoner was not one till I saw him—I came here as a witness because I was subpoenaed—I was told that he was an old man, but it was not till this afternoon—I am sure he is not one of the three, they were quite stripling boys—after I saw the three persons run away, I went up to the prosecutor and asked him what was the matter—he was gurgling as if he was in a fit—I asked him if he was hurt; he said hesitatingly, "No, but they have stolen my bag"—I asked him if he knew the parties—he said, "No, they came behind me and kicked me"—I could not see him—a man with some letters on the collar of his coat came up and showed me his bag, to show that he had lost nothing—I asked him again if he should know the parties—he said, "No, they came behind me."</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Monday, January</hi> 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>, 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">GEORGE CARROLL</hi>, Knt., Ald.; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALLEN</hi>; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON SERJEANT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 7
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., of
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. ATKINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-44" type="given" value="HARRIET"/>HARRIET HOPKINS</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner's wife; we have been married seventeen years—I have part of a house in Great Tower-street. On 16th November my husband came home in the evening—he was not quite tipsy; he was the worse for liquor—I was sitting on a chair; he told me to go up-stairs—I made no answer, but got up to go and he hit me on the foot with the office poker—I fell on the ground, and while I was on the ground</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I came home at half-past 6 o'clock and said to her, "You had better go up stairs"—I saw she was pretty near drunk.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I was not the worse for liquor—I had been drinking a little—I had had been, and gin; you have complained of me without occasion—I have never been the worse for liquor—I was not so on the Saturday before, nor did I fall against the letter press—my boy did not tell me that he should never forget my being drunk on the Sunday.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-45" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-45" type="surname" value="JARVIS"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-45" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY JARVIS</persName> </hi>. I am house surgeon at St. Thomas's hospital. I have attended Mrs. Hopkins several times and have examined her leg—I was not on duty when she was first admitted; there was a fracture of both the bones of her leg above the ancle—there was a bruise, but the skin was not broken; there were not any defined marks of violence.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Suppose it was occasioned by a blow from any weapon, and there was a stocking between the weapon and the leg, would that prevent any defined marks of blows?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It might—I saw no defined marks, but in my judgment it proceeded from a fall—it was a week afterwards before I saw her—supposing the wound to have been occasioned by a blow, I should have expected when I saw her a week afterwards to have seen more defined blows, and therefore the probability is, that it was the result of a fall rather than a blow—supposing it had been a blow with a poker, the appearance might have been as I saw—though more probably there would have been more defined marks—but it might still be true that it proceeded from a blow—it might have proceeded from a blow or a fall—the idea I had from her was that she had the blow, and fell—a person who received a blow which did not fracture, could by a fall fracture bones in such a manner and in that situation—all I saw could have been effected by a fall decidedly.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-46" type="given" value="THEODORE"/>THEODORE FOULGER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City-policeman</hi>). I apprehended the prisoner on the day after his wife was taken to the hospital—I told him the charge was assaulting his wife, and breaking her leg—he said he knew nothing of it, his wife fell in the office.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I had had nothing to make me tipsy—she was tipsy, had she been in her right senses this would not have occurred—she has been drunk on Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, and sometimes on Wednesday, for eighteen or twenty weeks—there is a long score standing up against me now—on Thursday she would get a little sober, and then on Friday go to work and get money and get drunk again—there has not been a week that she has been sober for five years—there never was a poker in that room, she got her feet entangled in her dress and fell.</p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, January</hi> 4
<hi rend="italic">th,</hi> 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">GEORGE CARROLL</hi>, Knt. Ald.; Mr. Ald.;
<hi rend="smallCaps">CHALLIS</hi>; Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RECORDER</hi>; and Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALLEN</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder and the Second Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS ILEY</hi> (54)</persName>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. of
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<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">shot</hi> of her, so I stepped on one side to take her address, and while standing there she put her hand into my pocket and took my purse—I believe it was in my trousers pocket—she then began to run away—I said, "Stop my girl, I want you"—her companion stepped up to me, caught hold of me, and said, "That is your road, sir"—I said, "No, this is my way;" I shoved him on one side, and ran after the prisoner, and caught her just as she was going into a house—I cannot say in what street it was she had run I should think about 100 yards from where she took the purse—I caught hold of her, and the purse was in her hand—I took it out of her hand—I found it was light—I said, "Give up the remainder"—she said she had not got any other—I said, "Yes you have, for I am sure there is some gone; if you do not give it up in a minute, I will have a policeman to you—she said, "I have not got any"—I said, "Give it up"—she would not, and I called a policeman—he came down, and said, "What is the matter?"—I said, "This girl has picked my pocket of my purse, and what was in it"—my purse contained 5 sovereigns, 2 half-sovereigns, and 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I was so confused I could not count it at the time—I gave it to the policeman when I got to the station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. DOYLE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you quite sober that evening?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I have been living at Plaistow for the last fifteen months—I am single—I met the prisoner about fifty yards from the Fenchurch-street station—I did not stay to talk to her until I waited to get her address—I kept on walking for seven, eight, or ten minutes—I can't say what streets we went along—I was making the best of my way from London-bridge, along bye-streets—I did not suggest that she should go with me into a retired corner, or any place—we kept talking as we were walking—I told her all the time that I did not want her—we had walked together for some</p>
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<p>minutes before she asked me to drink—I did not put my arm round her at all—she did not say that she was afraid the police might find her if any thing took place in the street—I don't recollect any such words—I swear she did not say so—I believe the purse was in my left hand trousers pocket—I am sure it was—I cannot pledge my oath of it—I know it was either in my waistcoat or my trousers pocket—I do not know the name of the place where I seized her with the purse—I mean to swear that she ran away—she ran about 100 yards, and when I came up to her she had the purse in her right hand; the policeman has it—the silver in it was three half-crowns, nine shillings, and a 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. piece—I am able to swear that—I did not tell the policeman what the coins were; I told him I did not know—I have recollected since.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">City policeman,</hi> 586). On Christmas-eve, about half-past 7 o'clock, I took the prisoner into custody, in Weighhouse-yard, Love-lane, Eastcheap—I came up at the time the prosecutor had hold of her—he said, "This woman has robbed me of my purse, and I shall give her into custody"—I said, "Where is the purse?"—he said, "I have it here"—he had got it doubled up—I did not take the purse then, until we got to the station—there were two of her associates there at the time—she was searched at the station, and nothing was found on her—when I opened the purse, it contained 5 sovereigns, 2 half-sovereigns, half-a-crown, 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., and a 3
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. piece—the prosecutor said, in the prisoner's presence, that there ought to be 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 17
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in the purse—the streets leading from Fenchurch-street to London-bridge, are broad streets—I consider Mark-lane a broad street.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> This was in Love-lane?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> At the corner of Weigh-house-yard and Love-lane; Love-lane-leads out of Eastcheap to Billingsgate—you would pass by Love-lane on the way from Fenchurch-street to London-bridge; it is the direct road—there were one or two other persons about at the time.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Second Count,</hi> with intent to do her some grievous bodily harm.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SHARPE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-55" type="given" value="JOHANNA"/>JOHANNA GEDLING</persName> </hi>. I am the prisoner's wife—I had been living with another woman, as the prisoner had deserted me—I met him in the City on 20th December, and we went on to Bowling-green-lane—he asked me to take hold of him—I refused—he said that he would go home—I said that he should not—he got hold of my shawl, and cut it, I believe, with a knife, but I did not see one in his hand—he then tore my bonnet and cap, and then struck me on the mouth—there was a cut, and it bled very much—I cannot say whether he had a knife in his hand or not—he ran away, and I followed him—I was under treatment for it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. ATKINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did your mouth bleed inside?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and outside too—my mouth continued to bleed for some days—I could not take hot or cold water into my mouth—the skin was cut—I had no plaister put to it—here is a scar on my upper lip outside—the prisoner had been away from me two years and nine months—I have taken away his furniture lately—I did not go with some men and clear the house—I went by myself—I left him to get another house for the woman he is</p>
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<p>keeping—you had better ask him whether I have been in gaol lately; I shall not answer you—I have not been in gaol within the last two months; not for the last six months—I have not come here to answer you how long I have been in gaol—I have not been ten or twelve times in gaol within the last two years, nor yet once; but if I have, my husband brought me to it—it was for uttering counterfeit coin—I cannot say within what period; it was within the last six months—it is about three weeks ago that I stripped his house of his furniture—I met him in the street, and followed him—I certainly abused him—he did not request me to go away; he struck me then—he followed me—he gave me in charge in Old-street at the same time—he struck me once in Fore-street on the same day, and pulled my bonnet off—it was in the afternoon that he struck me on the lip—he fol
<lb/>lowed me and said he would go home—I was not abusing him—I went on the other side of the way, and he followed me, and when he saw there was no mob, he cut my shawl off my back—I did not try to get away while he was doing so—I did not struggle with him—it was while he was pulling my bonnet over my face that I felt the cut on my lip.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SHARPE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was your lip cut externally as well as internally?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; it was cut right through—I was convicted, but my husband brought me to it, and he gets his living by it now.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-56" type="given" value="GEOGE"/>GEOGE ROPKINS</persName> </hi>. I am a cabinet maker of 7, Wood-street, Exmouth-street. On 20th December, about 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I was going home to tea, and saw the prisoner and prosecutor at the corner of Bowling-Green-lane—the prisoner said to her, "Catch hold of my arm," he then pulled her bonnet over her eyes, and some people hallooed out, "There is a knife," but I saw no knife—I saw blood on the female's lips, and saw four cuts from the knife on the breast part of her shawl—I saw the prisoner put his hand in his pocket, and saw blood on his knuckles—he ran away, I followed him, saw him throw something into a cart, and found there this knife (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) with blood on the blade and handle.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Did his hands appear as if they were bleeding?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> There was blood on them, I cannot tell where it came from—I did not see that his knuckles were cut, I thought he might have hit her in the mouth and hurt his knuckles—I did not hear the dispute about the furniture—she was not quarrelling with him that I heard after I went up—it was all done in about four minutes.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-57" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM FISHER</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, A</hi> 438). I took the prisoner in the Bagnigge-wells-road about 4 o'clock in the afternoon—his knuckles were cut—I looked at the knife, and there was blood on the blade—the prosecutor gave him in charge—her lip was cut through from the outside to the teeth, it was severed—it was a kind of a rounding cut—I did not take her to a surgeon, she went to the station and the blood stopped.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">of Unlawfully wounding.</hi> </rs>
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<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-61" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN HIGHLAND</persName> </hi>. A little girl gave me information, and I saw Cranfield at the top of the court—I went to the place and missed a coat—I stood in confusion as there was a great crowd round the door—I looked down the court and saw the prisoner with the coat on—I took him back; the foreman took it off of him and I gave him in charge—he said that he picked it up, but it was a very dirty night, and the coat was not the least soiled.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-66" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES MCBRIDE</persName> </hi>. I am chief usher of Worship-street Police-court—I was acting as such on 4th December, when, a charge was preferred by the prisoner against Sarah Levy—I administered the oath to the prisoner Ellen Clarey in due form and heard her give her evidence.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-67" type="given" value="ARTHUR HERBERT"/>ARTHUR HERBERT SAFFORD</persName> </hi>. I am second clerk at Worship-street, Police-court—Sarah Levy who was in custody was charged with cutting and wounding Ellen Clarey—I took down what Ellen Clarey said—(
<hi rend="italic">This was as follows: that Sarah Levy said to Clarey, "You Irish whore I'll be your butcher to night," then went out of the shop, came in again and said, "I will not leave the house till I am your butcher," took a knife open from under her apron, cut Clarey above her thumb and ran off. That at the station Levy said to Clarey, "I will give you any money not to appear against me—that there was no person with Levy when she entered the shop, that she, Clarey, did not call Levy a whore or strike her, or strike the lock of the door, or part of it, and injure her hand; but that the injury to her hand was done by Levy with a knife which she saw in Levy's hand, and that it was a gentleman's pen knife.</hi>)</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> That is right what he says.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-68" type="given" value="SRAH"/>SRAH LEVY</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of David Levy—he was a passover-cake manufacturer, but has retired; he has a few houses and lives on his means—the prisoner has been charing for my sister and cousin—on 3d December I went with my niece Miss Chapman to Miss Hart's, and saw the prisoner cleaning in the passage—I said to Miss Hart, "How can you have her (
<hi rend="italic">the prisoner</hi>) here"—upon which the prisoner wanted to strike me with a flannel, but in making an aim at me, she hit her hand on this hasp of the door (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>) but did not succeed in hitting me—I did not strike at her with a knife or any instrument—I had no knife of any description by me—I did</p>
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<p>not take a knife from any place and make a cut at her—I was afterwards charged before a magistrate with cutting her with a knife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> You said, "Have you got that Irish bitch here cleaning.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> I used no abusive epithet to you or of you—I did say how could you call me names if you were a prudent honest women, and you took up the flannel, aimed it at me, and hit your hand on the hasp of the door—I did not say, "I will be your butcher."</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-69" type="given" value="AMELIA"/>AMELIA CHAPMAN</persName> </hi>. My husband's name is James, we live in an alley in Goswell-street—I am the niece of the last witness, and went with her to Miss Hart's—she said nothing, but the prisoner who was cleaning, in taking up a flannel to strike Mrs. Levy, struck her hand against the hasp of the door—I saw that—I did not see my aunt with a knife in her hand or strike her at all.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Did you call me an Irish whore?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-70" type="given" value="RACHAEL"/>RACHAEL HART</persName> </hi>. I am second cousin to Mrs. Levy, and live at 3, Goulston-street—I remember this evening—Mrs. Chapman came in, and the prisoner called her a w—e, and took up a flannel to aim a blow at Mrs. Levy, and her arm fell on the hasp of the door—this is it, it was loose—I saw moist blood on it about half an hour afterwards—Mrs. Levy had no knife, she made no blow at the prisoner, nor struck her, nor used any violence at all—shortly afterwards I saw the prisoner with a cut on her hand; she was pulling it open with her fingers, and I said, "Ellen do not do that"—she said, "I will say that she cut me with a knife"—I said, "Ellen, do not be so wicked"—after Mrs. Levy had been examined before the Magistrate on this charge, I said to the prisoner, "Ellen, do not say such a wicked word as that"—she followed me down Worship-street, and I said, "You wicked creature for swearing so falsely"—she said, "No, she has got money and I will have it."</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You did not say anything of that sort before the Magistrate?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes I did—it was not many minutes after she struck her hand against the hasp that I saw her pulling the cut open—she knew I was the niece of Mrs. Levy, and yet she told me that she was going to say that she cut her with a knife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> The stain on the hasp was from my left hand—you were inside the cupboard with your back turned towards me, and I said, "Look what your cousin did."
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> You did not—I was at the street door, which was not fastened—I did not want to keep you in.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-71" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY BARNET</persName> </hi>. I live at 6, New-court, Middlesex-street, Whitechapel—I am not married—after this happened I met the prisoner on Friday evening as I was going to my employers to be paid—I asked her what was the matter with her hand; she said that she had cut it with the hasp of the door—I said, "How came you to do it?"—she said that she wanted to get at Mrs. Levy, and her hand caught the door—this was on the same evening that it happened.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> I never mentioned the words, and I never saw her.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you first mention this?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> To Mrs. Levy the same day that it happened—that was before any charge was brought against Mrs. Levy—I also mentioned it to Miss Hart, and Mrs. Chapman—I did not mention it to anybody else—I told the officer—I do not work for Mrs. Levy—I met Miss Hart in Goulston-street, as I was going to be paid.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-72" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS HOMER</persName> </hi>. I am a surgeon of Stoke Newington—I examined the prisoner's wound at Worship-street police-court, and should say from it being a semicircular wound, and jagged, that it would be more likely to be done by this lock than by a knife—it was not a clean cut—here is blood on the lock now.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Where was the wound?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Just below the ball of the thumb—she would not be more likely to catch another part of her hand in making the blow with the flannel; she was above the lock.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> Here is the cut where she drew the knife, could that be done with the box of a door?</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, H</hi> 105). Shortly after this occurrence I went to Miss Hart's house and saw this lock—the upper part of it had blood on it—it was loose, and the sharp part was projecting from the door-post—the blood was quite moist—there were splashings of dirty water on the door-post.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-74" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES EDMONDS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Called by the</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.) I had a letter from the governor of Newgate, requesting me to come here—I was sent for to the police-office—I was not at home, and my assistant dressed the prisoner's wound—she came to me next morning, and the wound was undressed on purpose for me to see it, and I gave my opinion, after carefully looking at it, that it was done with some sharp instrument; but it is very difficult to distinguish between a wound done with a knife and one done with this box of the door, which I have only just seen; it would depend on the way it is cut; it is a semicircular wound going right round the ball of the thumb; it is ragged at one end but clean at the other; now a wound might be done with a knife and yet be ragged at one end, the first part of it would be jagged even if done with a razor; to my mind it seems a very difficult thing to make a semicircular wound such as this from striking an object. I think it began at the back (
<hi rend="italic">Examining the scar</hi>), but you can judge of it better, or as well as I can. The thick part of the wound is at the back, which would be the jagged part as I describe; that was evidently the last part that healed, as the scar is thicker there. This lock is so very sharp that I do not see how anyone can distinguish between a wound done by that and a wound done by a knife.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Are you prepared to say that such a knife as that described, would be more likely to inflict it than the sharp corner of that hasp, supposing the woman had thrown herself on it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It would depend entirely on the position of the door as to which side the hasp was.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-75" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES MCBRIDE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). I went from the police-office to examine the spot after Mr. Hammill had admitted Mrs. Levy to bail—this part of the lock was loose and hung over about half an inch—I found blood there—the door opened inwards from the left—the door-post is on the right as you come out; if she was making a strike, her hand would come against it, and I found blood next morning just on this part of the box of the lock—it would be on her right hand going out.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-76" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES EDMONDS</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). If the woman's wrist came with force against this sharp corner of the hasp, I think it would inflict such a wound; in fact one corner is as sharp as a knife. How long blood will remain in a moist state depends upon the state of the atmosphere; a mere spot of blood, I think, would be dry in half an hour.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner produced a written Defence, stating that Mrs. Levy cut her with a pocket knife.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Tuesday, January.</hi> 4
<hi rend="italic">th.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—Sir
<hi rend="smallCaps">GEORGE CARROLL</hi>, Knt. Ald.; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROSE</hi>; Mr. Ald.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALLEN</hi>; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON SERJEANT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CLERK</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-81" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES BRANNAN</persName> </hi>. I was formerly Inspector of police of the G division—I was employed last month to watch a house in Graham-buildings, Twister's-alley—On 21st December, I went to that house with Inspector Briant, Serjeant Brannan, and Elliott, about half-past 6 o'clock—I had watched the house all the week previously—I saw a youth named Upton go into the house—I followed him in soon afterwards—I went into a room on the left hand on the ground floor—the street door was ajar, and the door of the room also, but instead of the door opening into the room as I expected, I pulled it, and shut myself in the passage till I broke out—after opening the door, I went into the room with the three constables—I saw the three prisoners there with the youth already alluded to—William Elliott was standing with his back to a bed and his face towards me, and he put his left hand out as if throwing something, and I heard something knock against a basket which stood inside the door—at that time Briant seized him, a struggle ensued, and I saw a white lump drop from between them on the floor, and William Elliott used every effort to stamp on it, which he did before Mr. Briant could remove it—Briant pulled him away, and pushed him into another part of the room, and put him in custody of Serjeant Brannan and Elliott—Briant said "He has broken it"—and I saw Briant pick up the fragments of a plaster of Paris mould—I looked in the basket, and found this rag containing six counterfeit shillings, wrapped up separately, and folded this way—three of them are of the date of 1853, two of 1842, and one of 1820—when we went into the room, the two women were standing close to the fire, which was a very large one—the place was excessively hot—I went to the cupboard, and found two files with white metal in their teeth—a paper containing plaster of Paris in powder, some pieces of tin, a small portion of plaster on them, and in a tub which stood inside the door, I found this basin containing plaster of Paris, and three or four lumps of soft plaster—it had been recently mixed with water—it will be soft till dried with great heat—I said to William Elliott, "Well Mr. Elliott, I received instructions from the Mint to look after you—I believe you are dealing in counterfeit coin"—Margaret Elliott then said to him, "I told you the other night when you was doing this, that there would be a b—y buss some day"—and William Elliott said, "Mr. George Carroll is at the bottom of this—I have not been long at it—I can't be much worse off than I am"—we took the three prisoners away in custody, and took possession of the things that were there, and produce them to-day.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">William Elliott.</hi> The piaster found in the tub was out of the basin which I washed, and it fell in the tub.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> No, it could not have been, for that was hard which was in the basin, and those lumps all melted like snow; Briant went to the basket and took out a long paper containing a crowbar which I generally carry with me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-82" type="given" value="BENJAMIN"/>BENJAMIN BRIANT</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of police of the G division—I went with Mr. Brannan on this occasion—I saw William Elliott throw a piece of rag into a basket, which stood in another one near the door—I immediately seized him and saw him put his left hand into his jacket pocket—I immediately pulled it out, and saw what appeared to he a mould wrapped in paper—I tried to get it from him, and struggling together, it fell and he trod on it—I pulled him away and put him in custody of Sergeant Brannan, and Elliott in another part of the room—I picked up the fragments of the mould, and found the impression of a Victoria shilling in a plaster of Paris mould—I afterwards searched him, and found in hw left-hand trousers pocket, a new Victoria shilling—this is it—I said to Mr. Brannan, "Halloa, what is this?" and William Elliott said, "That is the shilling belonging to the mould," and before we left the room he said, "I expected to see you some time or other—I have not been at it long—I have only lived here six or eight months."</p>
<hi rend="italic">William Elliott.</hi> That man never searched me at all—it was Mr. Brannan's son searched me, and took a good shilling and two 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. bits.
<hi rend="italic">Witness.</hi> No, I searched him there—whether Sergeant Brannan searched him afterwards I don't know—Mr. Brannan did not take from him two 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. bits and 4 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in halfpence, while I was there.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Police-sergeant</hi>). I accompanied the last witness to the house—I followed him into the-room—I saw him search William Elliott, and take something from his pocket which I did not see, but I saw something in the shape of plaster of Paris mould fall on the floor—I said, "Look out, he will smash it"—I heard William Elliott say, "I am b—d if I did not expect this some day"—as we took the prisoners from the room the door was fastened by the prisoner, Margaret Elliott, with a padlock, and she put the key in her pocket—I had been watching the house for some time before—I had seen the whole of the prisoners go in separately, at times—I had seen William Elliott and Margaret Elliott selling apples at the door—I knew Smith—I had seen her go in that room ten or twelve times.</p>
<hi rend="italic">William Elliott. Q.</hi> Did you see the mould fall on the floor?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I saw something fall on the floor, and saw you trampling on it.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, G</hi> 104). I assisted in taking charge of these prisoners—I heard Smith say, "It is a b—y good job that I was not out when they came, or you would have said it was me that put you away"—I understood what she meant by that—it was giving information—Margaret Elliott said, "No, it was that b—y George Carroll who has done this"—I found this counterfeit shilling on the floor, near where Smith had been standing—it is of the date of 1853—she said she knew nothing of it; when at the station, William Elliott said to Margaret Elliot, "Where did you get the plaster of Paris?"—she said, "Don't speak so loud—I got it at the corner of Chequer-alley, at the oil-shop"—I told her, I heard what she said about the plaster—she said, "That is right, that was where I got it from"—I had been watching the house for a month, before, day after day, and had seen the prisoners going in and out of that room for the last four weeks.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-85" type="given" value="ANN"/>ANN BORER</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of Richard Borer—he keeps an oil and colour shop at the corner of Chequer-alley, St. Luke's. On 21st December, Margaret Elliott came to the shop for a pennyworth of plaster of Paris—she was served with it, and paid for it—she then asked me if I had a new Victoria shilling, as she wanted it for a very particular purpose—she offered me two sixpences for it—I had not got one to give her, and she went away.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-86" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of coin to the Royal Mint—these are several particles of a plaster of Paris mould, containing the obverse and reverse sides of a shilling of the date of 1853—the good piece of coin is put on some flat surface, either glass or tin—a case is put round it, to keep the plaster in the space, and then the plaster is poured in, and when cold, it is taken off—they then make a channel, and place it in sand, and the metal is poured in, and by that means, you have an impression of a shilling—you pull the shilling out, and there is a large piece which is attached to it—that is broken off, and with a file, the piece is made to represent a good shilling, and it is then electrotyped—I can't say whether this piece of plaster had been a mould—if it had, it has not been used—here is the impress of this good shilling—here is no bad money from it—this one shilling is good—these others are bad; four of them are from one mould—these files are used for making good the milling at the edge of the coin—this plaster of Paris is what the moulds are made of.</p>
<hi rend="italic">William Elliotts Defence.</hi> I was acquainted with a young man named Carroll, who made this mould, for him to have 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and me to have 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.—he showed me how to do it, and gave me the money to buy the plaster with—about ten minutes afterwards, he jumped up and said, "Will you have something to drink"—I said I did not care, and he said, "Have a drop of gin," and he went off—I never made any bad money—I never saw one made, and never passed one.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Margaret Elliott's Defence.</hi> When the officers came, I was out in the back-yard—I said, "O, my poor children!"—I know nothing of the bad money.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner William Elliott's father gave him a good character.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">WILLIM ELLIOTT</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">MARGARET ELLIOT</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">SARAH SMITH</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">CLERK</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-88" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN JENKINS</persName> </hi>. I keep the Hampshire Hog public-house, at Ham
<lb/>mersmith. On 27th November, the prisoner was in my bar between 9 and 10 o'clock at night, with two or three others—the prisoner called for a quartern of gin, and tendered in payment a half-crown—I put it in a drawer where I had no other half-crowns—the gin came to 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I gave him change—they drank the gin, and went out immediately—I then went to the till—I looked at the half-crown—there were two shillings there, but no other half-crown—I had not put any other half-crown in—I found it was bad, and put it away in a desk. On 11th December, the prisoner came again, with another lad—when he came in, my sister called my attention to the prisoner, and I watched to see what he did—he called for half a quartern of gin—it came to 1
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—he tendered a shilling—he put it down, and my sister gave it to me—I put it in my teeth, and found it was bad—I told the prisoner it was bad, and he said he did not know it; he took it at the</p>
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<p>Angel—I gave him in custody—I gave the shilling to the officer, and I gave up the half-crown at the station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner.</hi> She said she saw me go up the Turnham-green-road.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> That was on the Saturday, before you passed the bad half-crown.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-89" type="given" value="MRY"/>MRY GATES</persName> </hi>. I am the sister of the last witness. On 20th November, the prisoner was in our house with a young lad, whom I had not seen before—they called for half-a-quartern of gin—the prisoner paid me a shilling—I put it in my teeth, and found it was bad—I returned it to him, and the other gave me a good shilling. On 11th December, the prisoner came with a short young man—the prisoner called for half-a-quartern of gin—he gave me in payment a shilling—I noticed that it was bad, and told him so—I gave it to my sister—the prisoner offered me another shilling, which was good.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-90" type="given" value="PETER"/>PETER DUNCAN</persName> </hi>. In the beginning of last month, I was in the police-force—I took the prisoner in custody from Mrs. Jenkins—I got this shilling from her, and at the station, afterwards, I got this half-crown—I searched the prisoner, and found on him a good shilling.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-91" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. This half-crown and shilling are both bad.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> When I gave her the bad half-crown, we had several quarterns of gin and some beer—when I gave the shilling, there were four or five persons round the bar—she said it was bad—I thought it was good; I did not know—one sister told the other that the young fellow in the flannel jacket had given her a bad shilling before, and then she looked at the half-crown, and saw it was bad—why did not she give me in charge?—we did not run away, but walked up the Turnham-green-road.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-178-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THOMAS TAYLOR</hi> (38)</persName>, was indicted
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CLERK</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-93" type="given" value="MARTHA ELIZABETH"/>MARTHA ELIZABETH BRADBEER</persName> </hi>. My husband is a ginger beer dealer at 31, Greek-street—my son keeps a tobacconist's shop down stairs in the same house. On 28th December I was in my son's shop—the prisoner came there about 8 o'clock in the evening for half an ounce of tobacco—it came to 1 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I served him; he gave me a shilling—I gave him change, and put the shilling in the till—there were two or three other shillings there—this one was on the top—the prisoner came again at near 11 o'clock the same evening, for half an ounce of tobacco—I served him—he gave me another shilling; I put that in the till, and gave him change—he came in again in a few minutes for a penny pickwick; I served him and he gave me a shilling again—I gave him change for that—it remained on the counter—I found it was bad, and I opened the till and looked and found the other two shillings were bad, and were on the top of the other money—I tried the two as well as the one, and found they were all three bad, and they were precisely the same date—I saw the prisoner again about a quarter past 11; he came for half an ounce of tobacco—I weighed it, and he put a good sixpence on the counter—there were two gentlemen in the shop, and I said to one of them whom I knew, "This is the man that has given me this bad money"—the prisoner denied it, and made an attempt to rush out of the shop, but he was stopped by one of the gentlemen—the sixpence was still lying on the counter, and if he had gone away it would have remained there, and the tobacco too—I had not given him the tobacco—the policeman was coming by at the moment—I gave the prisoner in custody and gave the</p>
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<p>three shillings to the policeman—I can't say which was the last he passed, but it was one of them.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-94" type="given" value="MARY ANN"/>MARY ANN YOUNG</persName> </hi>. I am the wife of William Young—I lodge at the last witness's—I was in the shop about 8 o'clock that night—I saw the prisoner come in for half an ounce of common shag tobacco—he gave a shilling and it was put in the till—I remained in the shop sometime longer, but I did not see the prisoner after the first time—I had some conversation with him the first time—he said he had a bad wife, and he did not care how soon he was gone, and he began to cry.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-95" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM MURRAY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">Policeman, C</hi> 80). I took the prisoner on 28th December—I saw a good sixpence on the counter—the prisoner said it was his—I found on him a 4
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. piece, a piece of a penny pickwick, and the six
<lb/>pence which was on the counter; he took it up—he gave his address, 3, treat White Lion-street, Seven-dials, which was correct; it is a fourpenny lodging house—on the first examination he said the woman was mistaken in the identity—ho had been in only twice—he told the Magistrate he had been in only twice; both times for half an ounce of tobacco, and did not buy a pickwick at all—these are the three shillings I got from Mrs. Bradbeer.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-96" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These shillings are all bad, and from one mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I was only in twice, and I offered a good sixpence on the second occasion.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-179-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">CLERK</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, F</hi> 50). On 2d January I was on duty in Holborn, in plain clothes—Walker was with me, also in plain clothes—it was between 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening—we followed the prisoner and another man some distance—as we were going along Holborn the prisoner turned round and saw me—he knew me, and he said to the other man who was with him, "Come up here"—they were then at the end of a court—the prisoner began to walk up, himself, and the other man turned to follow him—I made a rush up the court, and laid hold of the prisoner—before I got to him he put both his hands in his trousers pockets—I told him I suspected he had got some base coin about him, and I should see—I and Walker took him in custody—he resisted very violently—I succeeded in getting one of his hands out of his pocket, and I put my hand in his pocket, and took out this purse, which had two sixpences in it, one bad and one good—I had pulled his left hand out, and he held that hand very close—I took his right hand out, but found nothing in that—he still held his left hand very tight—we tried to open it but could not—he bent his hand nearly double, and I heard something drop—a man opened his door just at that moment, and I asked him for a light, and I picked up this bag, containing seven sixpences, all wrapped in paper—we took him to the station, and as we were going along he said to mo, "Fifty, who has put me away"—I was in plain clothes, but he knew mo well—the other man was taken, and was detained that night; but he had nothing on him, and the Magistrate discharged him.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Policeman, E</hi> 62). I was with the last witness on that occasion—we followed the prisoner for about ten minutes—he had another man with him—the prisoner turned round—I don't think he saw me; but he knew Holmes—ho turned up a court, and Holmes rushed up and seized him—he directly put his hands in his trousers pockets, and held them tight</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Where did you lay hold of me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> By the wrist; you had your hand in your pocket.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> What you heard jink was the halfpenny that fell out of my pocket?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> There was only one halfpenny on you, but it never went on the ground at all.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ELLIS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Who had hold of him first?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Holmes had—his hands were then in his trousers pockets.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-100" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WEBSTER</persName> </hi>. These eight sixpences are all bad, and three of them are from one mould.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> There was only one sixpence found on me—the purse was not found on me.</p>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-181-offence-1 t18590103-name-102"/>Samuel Dutton</persName>; to which he</rs> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-181-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-181-18590103 t18590103-181-punishment-22"/>Confined Four Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., and 1 purse, and 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>., of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-182-offence-1 t18590103-name-104"/>Patrick Kellard</persName>, from his person.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. WAY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-105" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-105" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-105" type="given" value="PATRICK"/>PATRICK KELLARD</persName> </hi>. I am a general dealer, and live in Bear-court, Blackfriars-road. On 14th December I was coming down Fleet-street about 9 o'clock in the evening—the prisoner came alongside of me and told me a long story, that she had come from Lincolnshire, and she had no money, and she would be very thankful if I would give her a few halfpence to get her a lodging—I went into a public-house in White Friar-street on the right hand side—I had a pint of beer—the prisoner stood between me and the door—I drank, and then handed the pint to her, and said, "Drink that," and I went to pass her—she said, "I can't drink it all, you drink the remain
<lb/>der"—when I paid for the beer I took the money out of my right hand pocket—at that time my watch was safe certainly, it was fastened to the button hole or over the button with the key across—it was in my left hand waistcoat pocket—as soon as I got out of the house I went on my way home, towards Blackfriars-road—the prisoner walked outside of me in the street—she was after some money, and finding I denied her, she made a snatch at my watch—I made a grasp at her directly, and I received a blow at the back of my head, and down we both came together—I fell upon her; she was under me—it was a man that struck me, but I don't know who—when the prisoner made a snatch at my watch, she got it away, and the guard was hanging down, the ring breaking—the guard was left in my possession—when I was knocked down I had hold of her—with the blow my hat fell off—I kept my hand on her—she got her hand in my pocket—I noticed there was some
<lb/>thing in her hand, which was my purse with 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in it—I saw her pass her hand to the man, and the man ran away when he heard some persons coming towards me—I took my purse out of her hand; she made a snatch at my chain—I held her till the policeman came.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SHARPS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What time was this?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> About 9 o'clock in the evening—I can't tell what time I dined on that day—I was not drunk—I was as sober as I am now—I dined at home—I don't know that I had anything to drink that day—I can't tell whether I drank any
<lb/>thing before dinner—I don't recollect that I had any drink at dinner—I will</p>
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<p>not swear what I don't recollect—I drink no spirits—I hare sometimes a glass of beer and sometimes not—after dinner I went to see a friend of mine near Oxford-street—it was a female servant in a hotel—I won't answer the question what I drank with her—it is not a fair question—after I left I came on my way home—I don't recollect at what hour I left the hotel, or at what hour I went there—I can't tell how long I stopped there—I stopped as long as I thought proper—I am my own master the same as you are—it was dark when I left; the gas was lighted—I don't know how long the gas had been lighted—I came on my way home, and met with the thief that robbed me—I had been in another public house before I saw the prisoner, and gave a pint of beer to a friend of mine—I did not drink any of it my
<lb/>self—I did not drink anything—I had no brandy, nor rum, nor whiskey—I don't like whiskey, though I come from the whiskey country—I don't know how long it was after I left the public house where I treated my friend before I met the prisoner—I don't know the name of the public house I went to afterwards—I remained there while I was drinking a part of a pint of beer; that was not long—I had nothing else to drink—I drank the first part of the pint of beer and the last part, and she drank the middle—she re
<lb/>presented herself as a female servant—when I left the hotel I was going direct to Blackfriars-road—I was going down Whitefriars—I did not promise to give the prisoner some money—I had not been doing anything in the public-house with her—I went in by myself, and she followed me—I treated her; that was my own will—she had asked me for halfpence to get a night's lodging—I did not promise her some: what should I give her money for? she is a robber—when I got into the public-house, I was not in a state of intoxication—I was much the same as I am now, man—I did not see her with the watch in her hand—I felt the snatch, and felt the watch go out of my pocket—she said before the Alderman that I promised to give her money—I don't know whether she said so in Whitefriars—I did not promise her any—I saw her passing the watch to the man's hand—she snatched it out of my pocket, and the purse she took out of my pocket also—I did not look at the time in the public-house—I looked at my watch about 8 o'clock—from then till 9 I did not look at it—it was in my pocket—my purse is a leather purse—I suppose the money is in it which was in it, which was 1
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I am a general dealer—I don't think there is any necessity for explaining the difference between that and a marine-store dealer—a general dealer is a man that goes to buy anything he sees—I never was in this Court, or any criminal court, thank God, nor my father before me, not as a witness—I have been married—I have one daughter, a young woman—I don't know what age I am; I don't think I am 60—I don't know who was the man that hit me—I never saw him before; I could not tell what sort of a man he was—I never saw him before—I see a good many men in the street.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-106" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM GODFREY</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City policeman</hi> 384). On Tuesday evening, 14th De
<lb/>cember, I found the prosecutor in Whitefriars, about 9 o'clock; he was holding the prisoner by the arm, and he had his watch chain and this purse in his hand—the chain has the ring of a watch on it. I took the prisoner to the station—she gave me an address, but not the right address—she gave the name of Ann Camm. I did not hear her say anything about coming from Lincolnshire.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Do you say she gave a false address?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> She did; I did not say before the Magistrate that she gave a correct address.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was your deposition read to you before you signed it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; it was set before me, but was not read. (
<hi rend="italic">The witness deposition</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">being read, stated.</hi> "She gave a correct address, No. 9, Brick-lane, Spital-fields.") I said she gave a false address.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SHARPE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was not the prosecutor drunk?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I could not say he had not been drinking—he knew what he was about—he walked straight—I found nothing on the prisoner.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-182-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-107" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-107" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-107" type="surname" value="PERRETT"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-107" type="given" value="FRANCOIS"/>FRANCOIS PERRETT</persName> </hi>. I am a waiter at an hotel—I produce this conviction—I was present in this court on the 16th August last, when the prisoner was tried in the name of Ann Smith. (
<hi rend="italic">Read—"Central Criminal Court, August,</hi> 1858,
<hi rend="italic">
<persName id="t18590103-name-108">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-108" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-108" type="surname" value="SMITH"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-108" type="given" value="ANN"/>Ann Smith</persName>, convicted of stealing a watch. Confined Three Months.</hi>) I was the prosecutor—the prisoner is the person.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GUILTY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-182-18590103 t18590103-182-punishment-23"/>Four Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, January</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th,</hi> 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—The Rt. Hon. the
<hi rend="largeCaps">LORD MAYOR</hi>; Mr. Baron
<hi rend="smallCaps">MARTIN</hi>; Mr. Justice
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLES</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COPELAND</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROSE</hi>; and
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. COMMON SERGEANT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">For the case of Richard Roper tried this day, see Kent Cases.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">NEW COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, January</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th,</hi> 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>—Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">RECORDER</hi>; and Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROSE</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Recorder, and the Fifth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="italic">also</hi>
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<lb/>iously marrying
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<join result="offenceCrimeDate" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-2 t18590103-cd-2"/>17th August, 1858</rs>;</rs>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-3 t18590103-name-112"/>Sarah Ann Drewett</persName> on
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<join result="offenceCrimeDate" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-3 t18590103-cd-3"/>3d May, 1858</rs>;</rs>
<hi rend="italic">also</hi>
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<interp inst="t18590103-183-offence-4" type="offenceCategory" value="sexual"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-4 t18590103-name-113"/>Lydia March</persName> on
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<join result="offenceCrimeDate" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-4 t18590103-cd-4"/>3d January, 1858</rs>;</rs>
<hi rend="italic">also</hi>
<rs id="t18590103-183-offence-5" type="offenceDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-183-offence-5" type="offenceCategory" value="sexual"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-183-offence-5" type="offenceSubcategory" value="bigamy"/>feloniously marrying
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-114" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-114" type="surname" value="WYE"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-5 t18590103-name-114"/>Cecilia Maria Wye</persName>, on
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<join result="offenceCrimeDate" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-183-offence-5 t18590103-cd-5"/>30th November, 1857</rs>; to all of which he</rs> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-183-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="guilty"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-183-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="pleadedGuilty"/>PLEADED GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-183-18590103 t18590103-183-punishment-24"/>Four Years Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">CONSTANTINE LANGNER</hi> (47)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18590103-184-offence-1" type="offenceCategory" value="theft"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-184-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="extortion"/> Feloniously sending a threat
<lb/>ening letter to
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-116" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-184-offence-1 t18590103-name-116"/>Carl Schroeder</persName>, demanding money of him with menaces and without any reasonable or probable cause.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. ATKINSON</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-117" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-117" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-117" type="surname" value="SCHRCEDER"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-117" type="given" value="CARL"/>CARL SCHRCEDER</persName> </hi>. (
<hi rend="italic">Through an interpreter</hi>). I keep an hotel for the re
<lb/>ception of foreigners at 39, Finsbury-square—the prisoner came to my hotel on 30th July—I had known him about fourteen days before—he resided at my hotel for ten days—after he left I received a letter—a young man brought it to me about 5 o'clock in the evening—I believe I may know the young man if I see him again—I believe he lives in the house 17, Eagle-street—this is the letter that he delivered to me—it is in German—it is the prisoner's writing—I know his handwriting.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The translation of the letter was here read as follows</hi>—"Mr. Schroeder:—As you did not feel inclined to speak to me this morning,</p>
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<p>you compel me to write to you the matter in question, touching a new suit of clothes has made you inacessible, and you sent to tell me that you would have nothing more to do with it; my circumstances however being of such emergency that I also have no time to spare, and I must be equally very short, so I require at once, (or else once and for all) 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. sterling, from you by to morrow, 12 o'clock, at noon precisely; in default of which, so truly help me God, Mr. Br—, accompanied by some one, will find their way to your place, who will make you remember the concert evening of the 30th August in such a manner that you for England at least will have quite enough. You have compelled me to have recourse to that very extreme measure. The 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. (not a penny less) I expect by to morrow at 12 o'clock, Monday, at 5, Cleveland-street, Fitzroy-square, first-floor at Mr. Hartman's, and should the whole amount not be there, you will have to attribute it to yourself, when in a couple of hours later, all will be over with you, farewell. C. Langnor.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you at any concert with him in August?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have been at Cremorne Gardens and at Vauxhall—having received this letter I applied to Mr. Bull, and he introduced me to the police-office—I went to Fitzroy-square—I did not find the prisoner there, I then went to Eagle-street, City-road, he was not there—I went again, he was not there—I saw him approach in the street, and I walked with him into the house—I then said to him, "What have you done in writing such a letter to me?"—he said, "you have brought me to do so because I am starving"—he was going to say something more to me, but I said I did not wish to speak to him—I gave him into custody—he said at the station that he had nothing to do, and I ought not to give him in charge.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-118" type="given" value="JOHN MARK"/>JOHN MARK BULL</persName> </hi>. I am a City-policeman—I went with the prosecutor to Eagle-street on 22d December—the prosecutor went into a house and I remained outside—the prosecutor gave the prisoner in custody—he appeared to understand perfectly what I said—I said I was a detective officer of the City, and he must consider himself in my custody for sending a threatening letter to that gentleman, pointing to the prosecutor, for the purpose of extorting money—I showed him the letter, and I cautioned him—he said it was his handwriting—I asked him how he came to write such a letter—he shook his head and said, "I have nothing to say"—I took him to the station and searched him, and amongst other papers I found this letter in German, which is a copy I believe of the original letter—I found on him 8
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—I asked him his address, and he said he had got no home—he afterwards gave the address, Martin's lodging-house, Long-acre.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> When I wrote a letter to Mr. Schroeder I did not think I was acting against the laws of this country—in my country such was not the case—the only punishment of a man is for the act—I only wrote a letter to Mr. Schroeder that I would come with somebody to his house, and that gentleman who I would take with me, would inform Mrs. Seyd of the character of Mr. Schroeder—I never intended to do any
<lb/>thing to him—if I have done anything contrary to the laws of this country by writing such a letter, I beg pardon; I really did not intend to do any thing seriously, only to inform persons of the character of this gentleman—I have friends but I don't know that they are in court—Mr. Schroeder has represented me to Mrs. Seyd, that I have been a merchant in Hamburgh, and there failed, and that he applied to the government for a new invented boring machine to bore mines, and this model I had stolen from other persons in Germany.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-184-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">
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<interp inst="t18590103-184-punishment-25" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-184-18590103 t18590103-184-punishment-25"/>Confined Twelve Months</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
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<hi rend="largeCaps">THIRD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Wednesday, January</hi> 5
<hi rend="italic">th,</hi> 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">SIR GEORGE CARROLL</hi>, Knt., Ald.;
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR</hi>. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ALLEN</hi>; and Mr.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COMMON SERJEANT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Eighth Jury.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-185-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="pocketpicking"/> Stealing 1 handkerchief, value 4
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. of
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-185-offence-1 t18590103-name-120"/>Domenico Laura</persName> from his person.</rs> </p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-121" type="given" value="DOMENICO"/>DOMENICO LAURA</persName> </hi>. I keep an hotel in a street out of the Minories: On 20th December about 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I was in the Minories—a man named Garland called out to me and I missed my handkerchief—I ran after the prisoner and overtook him—he said, "I will let you have your handkerchief if you will let me go on," and took my handkerchief out of the leg of his trousers—I gave him in custody—I am certain it is mine—I had had it eight or nine months.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-122" type="given" value="DANIEL"/>DANIEL CRONIN</persName> </hi>. On 20th December, I was in the Minories with Henry Garland who has gone to sea—we saw the prisoner and another lad following the gentleman—the prisoner put his hand in the gentleman's pocket, took out a handkerchief, and turned down Hanover-court—he was overtaken in Northumberland-alley, and given in charge.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-123" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN BRETT</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City policeman,</hi> 514). The prisoner was given into my custody—Mr. Laura had got hold of him and he gave me this handkerchief—he asked me to give the gentleman the handkerchief and let him go.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner's Defence.</hi> I am certain that this was never his handkerchief—he said at the Mansion-house that he had only bought it that day, and now he says that he had had it nine months.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-185-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.*—
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<hi rend="largeCaps">HENRY FEWTRELL</hi> (37)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18590103-186-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="pocketpicking"/>, Stealing 1 purse, 1 pocket, and 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in money, of
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-125" type="gender" value="female"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-186-offence-1 t18590103-name-125"/>Eleanor Davies</persName> from her person.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CAARTEN</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-126" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-126" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-126" type="surname" value="DAVIES"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-126" type="given" value="ELEANOR"/>ELEANOR DAVIES</persName> </hi>. I live at 22, Windsor-street, Bermondsey. On Christmas eve about half-past 11 o'clock, I was in Leadenhall market—I had an apron on with a pocket in it on the right-hand side, containing a purse with 9
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in it—there was a very great crowd—the prisoner was on my right, and his woman or wife on my left—I had my hand in my pocket and my purse was there—the prisoner got his left hand under my pocket, and his right was digging into my pocket to get the purse out—my pocket opens outside—he caught hold of the mouth of it and I missed my purse—I found my pocket torn—there was a hole at the bottom of it which was not there before—I caught hold of the prisoner's left hand before it left my pocket but the purse was gone—the woman said that it was not her husband who did it and
<hi rend="italic">blowed me up</hi> all the way to the station-house—I have not found my purse—I am sure the prisoner is the man.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. RIBTON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was the crowd all round you?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes. I had felt my purse five minutes before—it was in my hand in my pocket, but I had taken my hand away from my pocket because the crowd was too tight for me to keep it there, as one party was going through one way and one another way—this was a piece of a dress which I was using as an apron—the mouth of the pocket opened outside the apron, but the pocket was inside—the prisoner and his wife were going in the same direction as I was—I held the prisoner by the collar two or three minutes till a policeman came up—he declared that he had not got it, and that he</p>
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<p>and his wife were going to market for a piece of pork for their Christmas dinner—I was alone—I have been a widow 12 years, and take in washing and go out washing—this was an old black leather glove made into a purse with a piece of white tape through it—there was no hole in my pocket till the prisoner made it—the apron was tied to my waist, and hung down in front of my dress.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-127" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS CREW</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City policeman,</hi> 570). I was in Leadenhall market, and saw the prosecutrix holding the prisoner by the collar—she said, "This man has picked my pocket"—I took him to the station, searched him, and found 5
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>. in halfpence, a pipe, some tobacco, and a latch key—he said, "I know nothing about it"—he gave me his right address—the female was searched by the female searcher—nothing was found on her, and she was discharged by the Magistrate.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Is the prisoner a tailor?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I called at his request, on Mrs. Bushnell who he works for, and who carries on the business of a tailor.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<hi rend="largeCaps">JOHN SMITH PERRY</hi> (34)</persName>
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<interp inst="t18590103-187-offence-1" type="offenceSubcategory" value="theftFromPlace"/>, Stealing 6 cwt. of lead, and a variety of house fixtures, value 44
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 19
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., of
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-130" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-130" type="surname" value="SIVEWRIGHT"/>
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<join result="offenceVictim" targOrder="Y" targets="t18590103-187-offence-1 t18590103-name-130"/>James Sivewright</persName>, fixed to a building.</rs> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-131" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-131" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-131" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS ROBINSON</persName> </hi>. I live at 6, Thurloe-place, Lower Norwood, and am the owner in conjunction with my son of 5, Farringdon-street, in the parish of St. Sepulchre—this is the lease (
<hi rend="italic">This was dated</hi> 28
<hi rend="italic">th February,</hi> 1813,
<hi rend="italic">from James sivewrite, for twenty-one years</hi>)—it being empty in November, I engaged Mr. Martin to let it, and in consequence of what he told me, I met Perry at his office on 23d November—Perry proposed to take the house for the remainder of my lease, about fifteen years, paying 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. premium—I bargained for 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>—he said that he was a printer in a large way of business, at 12, Milbank-street, Westminster, and that he wanted the house for a printing establishment, to put in expensive machinery to a large amount, and that he should want several hundreds to get it ready—he said that he was going to commence almost immediately—I ultimately agreed to take 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. by three bills, and he signed this agreement (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>), in which he describes himself as a stationer of 12 Milbank-street, Westminster—Henry Baker was keeping the house for me at the time—I gave Perry possession on 25th November—it was not in a very good state as to the leads, but all the other part was in good repair—there was lead on the roof, and piping in the drain-pipes and water closets—there was also a large iron safe fixed, belonging to the owner of the house, which was worth not less than 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. or 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; also some mahogany swing doors with plate glass, which cost not less than 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. with the fittings on them—I told Perry that the iron safe did not belong to me, but to the owner; I did not tell him the owner's name—in consequence of information I went there six or eight days afterwards, and the lead was every bit gone, the water closet pipes pulled down from the second floor to the bottom, and every thing was taken away—the lead across the roof from the back to the front, what is called the flushing, was gone, and also a considerable quantity of the lead on the roof, and the rest of it was turned up ready to move away—I also missed the copper from the kitchen, and the range, the tank, and the lead pipes connecting it—a lock was taken off, and I believe the doors would have gone in a day or two—the damage done was not less than 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—they tore the place to pieces.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Perry. Q.</hi> Did not I say that the kitchen was as dark as a grave, and was of no use, and request it to be cleared?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> You said that you wanted to put your machinery there; I said that the back part had been excavated—if it was necessary to take anything away to make any alterations for your business, that is one thing, but you were not to steal anything—neither of these three bills (
<hi rend="italic">produced by Perry</hi>) is due; the first is not due till 28th January—I had borrowed 500
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. on the lease formerly—I did not tell you that I had 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. borrowed on the house then, but 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was owing—when I went to the premises on the 7th or 8th, I saw some carpenters boarding up the place where the iron safe had been taken from the wall—the only fixtures put up were two desks put there as a blind—there was something of a counter brought in in the morning, and taken out before the evening—I saw the painters doing something to the front, but it was all deception—I ordered them to leave off work—I did not authorize the prisoner to do so, that I might get the key.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did he not ask to look at the house at all?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; that did not excite my suspicion—he did not ask to see what covenants were in the lease—there is no pretence for saying that the premises were being altered in order to be prepared for printing, or any business—I would not give 30
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for the desks that were put in—the articles belong to the landlord—I make a claim to the lead on the roof, because I am responsible to the landlord to make it good—I have no interest in the house beyond the usual covenants—the tenant's fixtures are mine—all these things would be given up to the landlord at the end of the term—the pipes of the water-closet were put on by the landlord; not by me.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">on behalf of Browning, suggested that there was no larceny at, the property being all made over to Perry; the owner had so parted with them that he could make no complaint until the lease had expired.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>
<hi rend="italic">referred to "Peel's Act," and contended that Perry could have no interest in the lease at all if he had endeavoured to obtain such by fraud.</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THE COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">considered that the case must proceed; but would take a note of the objection.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-132" type="gender" value="male"/>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-132" type="given" value="GEORGE HENRY"/>GEORGE HENRY MARTIN</persName> </hi>. I live at 49, Skinner-street, Snow-hill, and am an auctioneer—No. 5, Farringdon-street was put into my hands in August, and remained so till 20th November, when Browning called on me and said that he had been sent by a gentleman sitting in his chaise, to make enquiries about the terms of the house—I asked who the gentleman was—he said Mr. Perry of 12, Milbank-street, Westminster, a wholesale stationer and printer—I gave him the terms and he went away—he returned on the same day, and told me that Mr. Perry had looked the house over, and he would call on Monday to make me an offer—Browning called on the Monday, and made me an offer on behalf of Perry, in consequence of which I communi
<lb/>cated with Mr. Robinson, who met Perry at my place on the following day, the 23d—Browning came again in the morning—he wanted to have an answer because they were about other premises, and I promised him an answer about the middle of the day—I wrote to Mr. Robinson—he came on the Tuesday morning to see if I had got an answer from the landlord—Mr. Robinson had not then arrived—he called again a second time, and Mr. Robinson was there—he then went away and sent Perry—I was present when the agreement was drawn up—I had occasion to go into the other office, and Mr. Robinson told me there was no occasion to go about the reference, he was quite satisfied with Perry—I drew up a temporary agree
<lb/>ment by Mr. Robinson's request, so that they might be bound to the</p>
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<p>bargain by Thursday, as Mr. Robinson did not wish the matter to stand open till Thursday without a written agreement—that memorandum is here—in Mr. Robinson's presence the agreement was concluded—I saw the state of the premises before they were let in—I did not go outside the top of the house, but the inside was correct—I saw the safe and the mahogany doors—I went some time afterwards, and found that they had all been removed—the lead at the top of the house had been loosened—some was taken away and the rest left ready to be taken—the flushings were gone, and the water-closet pipes.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Perry. Q.</hi> Was it a week before I took possession that you went over the house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think it was within a few days—there was a kitchen range—I cannot say that I noticed a copper, but I believe there was one—I did not see that any lead was gone, because I only stood on top of the ladder and looked out; but I saw that it was cut, and saw that the flushing had been removed—water had come through a good space in the ceiling, which was very wet—I will not swear that the lead flat was touched—I heard most all of the conversation between you and Mr. Robinson—I know that a conversation took place relative to your making alterations; I do not recollect the exact words—there was some conversation about the front being cut into by the late tenant, and you asked what had become of the plate glass which had been removed to make way for the door—a perfect door was put in the middle, and the glass was taken away—I saw Browning after I had been over the premises with Mr. Robinson—he came to see if I had any message for you some days after possession had been given—that was the day that Browning was given into custody in the afternoon, as I understand—I had some conversation with Browning respecting the alterations and repairs—the shop ceiling was, certainly, in tenantable repair when you took possession—the water had been through a portion of one side, but the ceiling was not almost coming down.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Browning tell you that Perry had told him that he was going to make extensive alterations and repairs?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He did: that was when he called without Perry; he said, "The alterations are going on,"</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did Browning say anything to you about an iron safe?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I said, "It is a strange way of making alterations to pull out an iron safe and to take the lead off the top of the house"—he said that Perry was going to have a new iron safe put into one of the upper rooms; that he had sold the old iron safe at old iron price to the person that the new safe was coming from; he did not say who it was—he said also, "There is going to be entire new lead on the house, and I will show you the specifica
<lb/>tion, if you wish to see it"—I hinted that it did not require new lead, an that a builder going to put on new lead would not take the old until he had got the new ready to put on.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">T. ROBINSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you any conversation with Perry when Browning was present?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I never saw Browning at all; the conver
<lb/>sations were with Perry alone.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-133" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-133" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-133" type="surname" value="FLEXON"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-133" type="given" value="STEPHEN"/>STEPHEN FLEXON</persName> </hi>. I am a builder of 12, Brazier's-buildings, Farringdon-street—I remember the prisoners coming into 5, Farringdon-street—I had some pictures to dispose of, and Perry wanted to know what I wanted for them—I asked him 12
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—he said that he would give me an acceptance at a month for them—I said I would not unless he gave me ready cash—he asked me to come to the shop, No. 5, to take the dimensions of some shelving which he required for his business; it was to be strong to hold type, and there</p>
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<p>were to be brackets at every three feet—I gave him a price for them; he reckoned it up, and said, "If I give you an acceptance for the whole, that will be so much money"—I asked him for a reference, and he referred me to a solicitor named Spicer—I ultimately declined the job—on 29th or 30th November I saw a van load of fixtures taken away from the house, partitions, mahogany doors with plate glass, and an iron safe—that was four or five days after they took possession—on 5th December I was passing No. 5, and saw a truck at the door, and Browning bringing out a piece of lead—about half a hundredweight was put on the truck, and he went in again for a second piece; that was a large piece also—the men turned the barrow, and I followed them up Snow-hill to St. John-street, Mr. Farmiloe's; Browning walked on one side, and I on the other—Browning went in first, and took a piece of lead in, and came out and fetched a second—I called a policeman's attention to it—I saw Browning take all the lead from the truck into Mr. Farmiloe's—it came from the ridge of the roof—I saw the kitchen range and the copper ready to go away on the truck on the Saturday after they took possession, but saw nobody—I saw Perry several times when the things were removed; he was on the premises at the time—the safe was worth 15
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. and the mahogany doors 25
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; the hinges of the doors would cost 4 guineas—Perry asked me what I would give for the doors; I said that they were of no use to me; they were worth 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to anybody that wanted them, but I would not give 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for them—I have gone over the house, and in my judge
<lb/>ment it would take 150
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to put it in the same state as it was before—I have been on the roof; the flushings are gone, and the ridges in the gutter; the water comes through; I had to cut a hole in the ceiling to let the loose water through—the lead was all taken from the roof except one small piece, which was cut round ready to be removed; all the pipes belonging to the closet were gone—I gave information at the station-house two days after they took possession.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was that the first time you saw Browning?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; all the other conversations were with Perry.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Perry. Q.</hi> Did you call on me when I had got possession?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; Mr. Martin referred me to you, and I believe I asked you if you required the fixtures—I only called on you once—I out the front in two for the tenant—I did not offer to change with you for the glass doors; you offered them to me for 7
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and I said "No"—I offered you nothing for them; they were of no use to me—I never offered to allow you 6
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for them—they have never been shifted to my knowledge.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you first see Browning at the premises?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Three or four days after; I saw him frequently there, going in and out.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-134" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-134" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-134" type="surname" value="BAKER"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-134" type="given" value="HENRY"/>HENRY BAKER</persName> </hi>. I live at 8, Braziers-buildings. On 25th November, I was keeping possession of 5, Farringdon-street—I remained there till 6th December, after Perry took possession—Mr. Robinson gave Perry the key in my presence—Browning was there previously; he was awaiting Perry's return from Mr. Martin's—he left a few minutes after Mr. Robinson—Mr. Robinson came with Perry, and gave up possession, and five minutes after
<lb/>wards, three men came and took possession of the house—Browning was generally there—he gave me notice to leave, as they wished to make alterations—I remained until the 6th, because I had a difficulty in getting apartments—they took possession on Thursday, and on Saturday they took the high water service off, and we were obliged to go to the cellar for water—we found the door nailed up—on the Monday, I found the door had been, cut and defaced to get it open, and I missed the copper and the range—we went to pour some water down the water-closet, and it came out on the</p>
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<p>stairs; by that we found out that the pipes were gone—on the Saturday previous to this, the prisoners and Booth's foreman went to the top of the house, and as they came down, Browning tapped at the door, and told my wife that she must not be surprised if it came on to rain, as the rain would come into her apartment—I did not see that they brought anything with them—the partitions and folding-doors were removed in Fielding's van—the prisoners were present when they were taken down—I saw nothing brought into the house; only a couple of ladders, some scaffolding boards, and two desks—one man was putting the desks up, and another was white-washing the ceiling—I saw no printing machinery.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Were there carpenters and bricklayers there at any time?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> There was one carpenter, the whitewasher, and Mr. Booth's fore
<lb/>man, who did nothing but remove the fixtures.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Perry. Q.</hi> I believe you lived in the house ten days afterwards?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It might be—you pressed me to go out on three or four occasions, and Mr. Booth and Mr. Browning also; in fact, we were given notice once or twice a day—there was a copper and a range when you took possession—I saw them taken away, and also a tank—I call the man Mr. Browning's foreman, because he seemed to do no work; in fact, I thought he was a friend of your's at the time—I have never seen him since.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-135" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-135" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-135" type="surname" value="BOOTH"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-135" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT BOOTH</persName> </hi>. I am a carpenter and fixture-dealer, at 40, London-road—I first saw Perry on 28th November; he called on me and bargained with me for two desks, price three guineas—they were sent to 5, Farringdon-street—I went there and saw him—he showed me a small partitioning, and said he was going to make extensive alterations there, and asked me what I would allow him for the partitioning—there were some mahogany doors belonging to it—I offered him 5
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for the whole, which he agreed to take—he made me out an account, and they were removed to my place—a few days afterwards, he showed me an iron safe, which, he said, was of no use to him, and said he would allow me 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in the account for it—I said that I had no objection to that, but I would not give 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. in money for it—it was taken to my place—I repaired the walls, washed, stopped, and whited the ceilings, fixed up two desks, and made good some scrambling under the stairs—my foreman was not there—I had a carpenter doing the repairs—no one was instructed to go on the roof to my knowledge—I saw Browning there, but Perry was the man who I did business with.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Perry. Q.</hi> When you went over the house to see the repairs, did you see a copper, a kitchen range, and a cistern.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I only looked after my own business—the partition had been altered several times, and three parts of it was deficient—the iron chest was an old-fashioned one, and would be of no consequence in these days—two of the iron partitions were taken out of it, and the key of the door was broken, and one key was lost—it was cast-iron—my bill came to 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 6
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. 9 1/2
<hi rend="italic">d</hi>.—the partitioning and glass doors which I took down, I should be most glad to reinstate for 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—the gentleman has got the hinges, but that is part of what I would reinstate for 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—Browning stated that he had taken the first floor of you, and asked me to give him an estimate for making a sash door, and one or two other alterations on the first floor—you did not ask me to give you an estimate for fixing the new water-closet—something was said about moving the water-closet to the leads at the back of the house—there was a labouring man working for you during the time you were there—if he was not there in the morning, he was there in the afternoon.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did I understand you correctly that you had no conversation with Browning?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> He said that he took the</p>
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<p>premises of Perry—you have never asked me that before—this conversation was at the latter part of the time at 5, Farringdon-street—no one was present—my men were working below, and Browning took me upstairs—I paid 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. to Perry—I was examined at the police-court—I did not make a memorandum of the conversation with Browning—I had nothing to do with putting up a new safe—that is out of my line.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> You say there was a labouring man there, did you notice what he was doing?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; he was not one of my men, because we were working down below—when I was there first, he seemed to be sweeping up the place, and getting it in order, because there was lumber, such as bricks and mortar left about—it was the very last time I saw Browning on the premises, that he said he had taken them of Perry—a card was given to me, similar to this (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—
<hi rend="italic">"T. Browning & Co. Machine and Wholesale printers, 5, Farringdon-street"</hi>—I know nothing about who the "Co" was.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What kind of lumber was there in the house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Dirt which had accumulated I should say belonging to the estate—there was a great deal of it from repairing the walls.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-136" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-136" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-136" type="surname" value="JONES"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-136" type="given" value="THOMAS"/>THOMAS JONES</persName> </hi>. I live at 11, Back-lane, Smithfield—I am a carman out of employment—On 7th December, about half-past 6, I saw a truck standing at the door of 5, Farringdon-street—I saw Browning and two boys putting a sack into it, which appeared to contain something heavy—finding that they had difficulty, I helped them, and then followed the truck to Mr. Farmiloe's, 118, St. John-street—the two boys brought the truck back empty, the sack having been taken inside—a day or two after-wards, I saw what appeared to be a piece of lead, brought out and put into the truck—as I saw something suspicious in it, I followed the truck to the same place.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-137" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-137" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-137" type="surname" value="WELDON"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-137" type="given" value="WILLIAM"/>WILLIAM WELDON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">City policeman</hi> 270). I know the prisoners by sight—On 7th December, I was on duty in Farringdon-street, inside the house 5, about half-past 5 o'clock; I saw the prisoners with a sack on the floor, which appeared very heavy, about 1 cwt.—I watched them, and saw two boys come with a truck—Perry came to the door and opened it, and Browning dragged it out on to the pavement—a man in a white jacket assisted them—It appeared to contain lead from the weight and sound—the boys took it away in the truck, and the prisoners went back again—Perry only came to the door.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-138" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-138" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-138" type="surname" value="FABMILOE"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-138" type="given" value="GEORGE"/>GEORGE FABMILOE</persName> </hi>. I am a lead and glass merchant of 118, St. John-street—I know the prisoners—I can speak confidently to Browning, and I believe I have seen Perry twice or three times—I first saw Perry about December 1st.—I cannot say what he brought on that occasion, but he brought me old lead on several occasions, ordinary old gutters—he may have brought me some pipe, but I do not remember it—he brought me thin sheet lead as if it had been used for roofing and flushing—he gave the name of Reeve, Endell-street—on Wednesday 8th December, Browning brought two gutters weighing 1 cwt.—I weighed it, sent into the counting-house, and I believe he took the money for it—I am the son of the head of the firm.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-139" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-139" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-139" type="surname" value="FARMILOE"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-139" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FARMILOE</persName> </hi>. I am a brother of the last witness—my father keeps the shop—I have seen both the prisoners there selling lead—I first remember seeing Perry there within the last two or three months—I saw some one on December 8th, and paid them money, but I cannot recognise either of the prisoners—whoever it was, gave the name of Green, Endell-street</p>
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<p>but we do not take the name of the person bringing the lead, only of the person to whom it is said to belong—Perry had stated that the lead he sold, came from Green of Endell-street, and Browning the same—I believe the lead has been flushings, pipes, and sheet lead; but I have not been in the habit of seeing it myself—I saw it on 8th December, but not till after the person had left—I do not understand much about lead—I did not notice whether it had been recently cut.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SLEIGH</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you prepared to say positively that you heard Browning say that he had brought lead from Green in Endell-street?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I cannot say.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> But you have said it.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have said that I have seen him with lead, and there were generally two of them, and one of them stated that he came from Green in Endell-street—I do not remember seeing them both together. It was always said that the lead came from Green of Endell-street, but whether they said so I do not know—if I said that Browning gave the name of Green, Endell-street, I made a mistake; but when they came that name was given—I do not mean that they came together with lead, but they came at various times separately, there was generally more than one person with the lead, and the name Green, Endell-street, was given.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you in the counting-house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; the person who brings the lead comes to the window, and I generally see them—I do not remember whether I saw him on the occasion to which. I have alluded, but he came into the office—it is not my province to see the lead—I have no particular department—I gave the cash to the person who gave the name of Green, Endell-street.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. METCALFE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you find any entry on the 7th of Browning or anybody coming there, (
<hi rend="italic">handing a book to the witness.</hi>)
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> This was on the evening of the 6th, it is entered here, "Reeve, Endell-street." There is no entry on the 7th, if lead was taken in after a certain hour, it would not be entered on the next day, but would go down on that day; this is merely an order book, and when paid they are crossed out.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-140" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-140" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-140" type="surname" value="FLEXON"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-140" type="given" value="STEPHEN"/>STEPHEN FLEXON</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">re-examined</hi>). It was on Wednesday afternoon the 8th, at 5 o'clock.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>
<hi rend="italic">to</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">THOMAS JONES</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What day of the week was it that you saw a truck?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> On the 7th and 8th, two days following, Tuesday and Wednesday.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-141" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-141" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-141" type="surname" value="FARMILOE"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-141" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES FARMILOE</persName> </hi> (
<hi rend="italic">continued</hi>). There is no entry on the 7th.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-142" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-142" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-142" type="surname" value="MOLLINEAUX"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-142" type="given" value="GEORGE FREDERICK LEONARD"/>GEORGE FREDERICK LEONARD MOLLINEAUX</persName> </hi>. I am a detective officer, I took Browning on 10th December, in the street, Farringdon-street—he said that Mr. Perry had given him the lead to sell—I asked him where Mr. Perry lived, he said he did not know, but he thought he was living some-where in Camberwell, but was waiting at the corner of Fleet-street for him—we went there and could not find him—I took Browning to the station, and found on him this agreement, (
<hi rend="italic">a duplicate of the other</hi>) he gave his address, 4, Lamb-street, Spitalfields—I found that he lived there, and in the back room I found a chair, a box, a deal table, two or three pieces of broken crockery; and in the next room a bed tied up, and a box, all the other part of the house was empty—I found these cards (
<hi rend="italic">The same as the former one</hi>), at 5, Farringdon-street, and one of them I found on Browning—on 15th December, I took Perry at 2, Camberwell-new-road—there was no printing establishment there; there were five old chairs, a table, and some broken crockery, and in the back parlour two dirty mattresses, a</p>
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<p>dirty bedstead, and a box, all the other parts of the house were empty—he knew me—I told him that he must come with me—he asked me what for—I said for removing some mahogany doors, plate-glass, and other articles; he asked me going along, who authorized me to take him in custody—I said, Mr. Robinson; he said, "He shall pay for it"—going along the New-road he said, "I never authorized Browning to take any lead;" I had neither men
<lb/>tioned lead, or Browning—I have been to 12, Millbank-street, it is a very small private house, kept by a man who has absconded since the prisoners have been taken; there is one lodger, who is a respectable mechanic.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Perry. Q.</hi> Did you go over the house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes; I did not see a bell to it with the word "shop" on it—I believe there is one small bell—it is a small place,—I could put my arms on each side of the rooms, there is no shop at all—there are large gates, but they belong to the Charter gas works.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-143" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-143" type="gender" value="indeterminate"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-143" type="surname" value="SEABROOK"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-143" type="given" value="BREWSTER THOMAS"/>BREWSTER THOMAS SEABROOK</persName> </hi>. I live at 60, Old Steyne, Brighton, and am the attesting witness to this deed.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-144" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-144" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-144" type="surname" value="ELY"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-144" type="given" value="GEORGE FREDERICK"/>GEORGE FREDERICK ELY</persName> </hi>. I am clerk to Fielder, Johnson and Martin, solicitors of Duke-street, Grosvenor-square, they are solicitors to the landlord of 4 and 5, Endell-street—I know Perry as Smith, he took 4 and 5, Endell-street, on 21 at May last, and remained till September, when we took possession again.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18590103-name-145" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18590103-name-145" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-145" type="surname" value="WOOD"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-name-145" type="given" value="EDWARD JOHN"/>EDWARD JOHN WOOD</persName> </hi>. I am a gas-fitter, and brass finisher—last October twelve months I was employed by Browning at 33, Lamb-street, Spitalfields-market—he gave this card, "Browning, potatoe, and general salesman"—I fitted up the place for him.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Perry's Defence.</hi> I bought the assignment of Mr. Robinson's interest in the house, subject to the usual covenants; it gave me power to make alterations suitable for my business, which came to 10
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. odd, whereas the goods taken away only amount to 8
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and the painting 2
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>., which makes 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. more laid out of the premises than was taken away—neither of the lead merchants prove that they saw me sell any lead, or move any—I considered that I was entitled to the fixtures, which the bills for 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. were given for—I consider it nothing but a civil action, in fact he did not give me time, for he turned away the carpenters and jointers—it is impossible for him to tell what position the house would be put in when they bad done.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18590103-187-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Browning received a good character.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PERRY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">was further charged with having been before convicted, to which he</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">PLEADED GUILTY</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
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<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def2-187-18590103 t18590103-187-punishment-27"/>Six Years' Penal Servitude.</rs> </hi> </p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">BROWNING</hi>
<hi rend="italic">
<rs id="t18590103-187-punishment-28" type="punishmentDescription">
<interp inst="t18590103-187-punishment-28" type="punishmentCategory" value="imprison"/>
<interp inst="t18590103-187-punishment-28" type="punishmentSubcategory" value="no_subcategory"/>
<join result="defendantPunishment" targOrder="Y" targets="def1-187-18590103 t18590103-187-punishment-28"/>Confined One Year</rs>.</hi> </p> </div1>
<hi rend="largeCaps">OLD COURT</hi>.—
<hi rend="italic">Thursday, January</hi> 6
<hi rend="italic">th,</hi> 1859.</p>
<hi rend="largeCaps">PRESENT</hi>.—Mr. Baron
<hi rend="smallCaps">MARTIN</hi>; Mr. Justice
<hi rend="smallCaps">WILLES</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">COPE-LAND;</hi> Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">ROSE</hi>; Mr. Ald.
<hi rend="smallCaps">MACHI; MR. COMMON SERJEANT</hi>.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Before Mr. Baron Martin, and the Second Jury.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. GIFFARD</hi>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">TALFOURD SALTER</hi>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-148" type="given" value="ABRAHAM"/>ABRAHAM COHEN</persName> </hi>. I live at Canonbury-place, Islington. On Wednesday, 22d December, about half-past 3 o'clock, I was coming out of the London and Westminster bank; when I bad got as far as the corner of Bartholomew-lane, Mr. Higginson accosted me—I did not then know him—he asked me if I was Mr. Salomons, I told him "No"—I presumed he meant the Al
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<p>and I told him the Alderman was then in the London and West-minster bank, as I had just previously ascertained—I returned to the bank about half an-hour afterwards, and met Alderman Salomons coming out of the bank; I joined him, and we proceeded up Bartholomew-lane, towards the South Eastern Rail way, intending to go to the station—Mr. Higginson then accosted the Alderman, I should say within ten yards of the place where I had previously seen him—he spoke to the Alderman in a somewhat excited tone, with a gradually raised tone—thinking he might have business with the Alderman, I advanced a few paces, to leave them to transact their business—I did not hear what his first words were, but I soon heard what he was saying—I did not hear the first words that passed between them on either side—the first words I overheard Mr. Higginson say, in a somewhat raised tone, which was the cause of my overhearing them, were "What do you mean by delusions?"—I did not hear the answer clearly, as the Alderman spoke lower I presume—I naturally turned round, and saw Mr. Higginson in the act of striking the Alderman with a stick over the shoulder—it was an or
<lb/>dinary walking stick; he was very near the Alderman, and he struck in this manner (
<hi rend="italic">describing it</hi>); if I recollect right, he struck with both hands, but I am not certain; I then seized Mr. Higginson round the waist—a crowd presently collected—he did not say a word after I seized him, until we got to the station.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Are you brother-in-law to Mr. Salomons?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I am—when you first spoke to me on that afternoon, you spoke courteously and calmly—when I afterwards returned to the London and Westminster bank, I did not inform the Alderman that anyone had inquired for him; it made no impression on me—I did not know who it was that had spoken to me—I had no conversation whatever with the Alderman on the subject—it had not been arranged that I should go with the Alderman to the railway—I was frequently in the habit of going with him—I did not go with him in consequence of having seen you—I was not in the habit of going with him every day; it might be twice a-week—I could not have informed the Alderman who you were, for I did not know; I had scareely heard of you, more than what I had seen in the papers—we did not arrange any plan what to do if you spoke to me; on my oath no such arrangement was made; we did not arrange not to speak, or not to listen if we were spoken to; there was no arrangement whatever—I did not see the Alderman push you aside, or hear him say that it was untrue that he had said you were mad, and he was in a hurry to get to the railway—I heard no more than I have already stated—the Alderman and I left the bank together—I don't think we were arm-in-arm, I would not undertake to swear it, but I believe not—I should say I was not more than four or five yards from the Alderman when you accosted him—I think it is quite possible for the Alderman to have pushed you aside, and have said that, it was untrue that he had said you were mad, without my hearing it; I am not so quick of hearing, perhaps, as some per-sons, and I was not listening to your conversation—I was a little in advance; I don't know on which side the Alderman I might have been, I think it was a little to the left—I cannot say what he did with his right hand, as my back was towards him—I did not see the Alderman knock your hat off—I did not see your hat off, I did not notice it—I will not swear it was not off—the Alderman did not drop his railway wrapper that I am aware of—I will not swear he did not—I seized you round the waist, and I believe I held you pretty tight—I believe I seized you by the arms—I should say I did not put both hands to your throat and squeeze you against the wall; I think not—to the best of my impression I did not seize you by the throat, but I think I should have been perfectly justified if I had; I will not swear</p>
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<p>I did not—I assailed you very strenuously, that was after you had struck the Alderman with the stick—I saw no more than the blow which you made at him with the stick—my impression now is, since you have spoken of it, that your hat was off at the time you struck the blow, but I will not undertake to swear one way or the other—I heard the Alderman state at Guildhall that I pinioned you against the wall—whether in holding your body I leant against the wall or not I cannot exactly state, I might natu
<lb/>rally avail myself of the wall—I cannot undertake to swear that you said you did not wish to hurt the Alderman—I will not swear you did not say those words, I don't recollect hearing them—I released my hold of you because the Alderman was separated from you—I was not afraid of you personally—I did not hear you say that the Alderman might have been content to swindle the Atlantic Telegraph Company without imputing mad
<lb/>ness to you—I will not swear those words were not spoken—I don't think they were.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> On your oath, did I not say that the telegraph cable had been broken from the first, according to their own reports, and, therefore, no message could ever have been passed through it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not hear one word about the telegraph—I did not hear it mentioned, I swear that—after the assault a crowd collected—if such words were said loudly, I should say it would be impossible but that they could have been overheard by some one—I could not swear they were not said—I have had no conversation with any one as to what I should say here, I swear that—I should say I have not had one word with the Alderman about it—to the best of my knowledge your name has hardly been mentioned between us; on my oath, this inquiry has been very casually alluded to, nothing more than as to the sanity or wisdom of the aggressor—there was no agreement between us to impute insanity to you, nor any discussion as to the propriety of doing so—I do not believe you violently insane—I have not been examined by the attorney conducting this case, as to the nature of my evidence; on the day after your examination, the solicitor took a note of the evidence that I had to give—I have had no conversation with any one respecting the evidence I had to give—I had not said one word to the Alderman respecting my evidence.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you had any conversation with any member of the Atlantic Telegraph Company on the subject?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I do not know any of the members of the Atlantic Telegraph Company, nor any of the shareholders, as share-holders—of course I know the Alderman, I don't know him in his capacity of a shareholder—I have not had any communication or conversation with any shareholder in the Bank of England on this subject, I swear that—the Alderman did not say after the policeman arrived, that he had a great mind not to give you into custody—it was not at my request that he gave you in charge, I believe it was his own act—some few minutes elapsed before the policeman came—I am almost certain that no such occurrence took place—I swear to the best of my belief that it did not—I accompanied you to the police-station in Bow-church-lane—I heard the Alderman state the charge—I will not swear whether I did or did not hear you say that he was not telling the truth, I do not recollect it—I did not hear him reply that he was not then on his oath—I should think he could not have said so without my hearing him, but I did not pay particular attention to the words—I will not swear he did not say so—I don't remember hearing you request him to remember that he was "on the gentleman"—I do not recollect any such expression, and I think I should have recollected if you had said it—I heard the Alderman state that he did not wish you to be</p>
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<p>detained—I did not hear him order the inspector to take your recognizance of 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and discharge you if you gave your address—I was not out of the police-station from the period that I went in, until I departed with the Alderman, I might have been at the door, I believe I was at the door, to request a policeman to get a cab—I heard the Alderman tell the inspector that he did not wish you to be detained, that he should be satisfied with your address and an undertaking to appear—I do not recollect any sum being named—there was a man in uniform, I presume he was the inspector—the Alderman requested him to be as expeditious as possible in the business; he was in a great hurry in order not to miss his train.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Could any other person than a magistrate in the execution of his office have given such an order?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The officers would naturally have some deference toward those immediately above them, and would perhaps give them a little more facility than to others—I cannot say whether that might be so or not—as to whether a common accuser could have given any such order, I know no more than any other individual, I know nothing at all on the subject—it did not strike me as monstrous or singular, that any roan should act as accuser and judge at the same time; I did not perceive that there was any judgment in the question, nothing of the kind; I was not dazzled with the magnificence of nay relative's position—I saw no gross violation of justice in the matter—I made no statement at the station—I don't think the Alderman discharged you on your recognizance, my impression is, that he did not act as a magistrate at all in the matter, but merely as any individual giving you in charge might do—I think anyone else but a magistrate might have acted in the same manner—I never witnessed such an occurrence before.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you heard a magistrate or cadi so conducting himself in Russia, France, or Constantinople; would you not have known it to be a gross oppression, and glory in your privilege as an Englishman, to be exempt from it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I really cannot answer that question—I have never discussed the result of this case with any person whatever—I swear that—I did not consider as to whether the Alderman was over-matched by you, when I seized you—I considered his position was not consistent with a street row, or scuffle—I think I was perfectly authorized under the circumstances, in seizing you—the Alderman was entirely passive as far as I saw—you did not struggle with me, you were remarkably quiet—I did not assail you until I saw you in the act of striking the Alderman—It appeared to me to be a violent and ruffianly assault—the Alderman was not hurt.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. GIFFARD</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How was it that he was not hurt?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It appeared to me that Mr. Higginson was too close to him, and that only that part of the stick nearest the handle must have descended on the shoulder.</p>
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<interp inst="t18590103-name-149" type="given" value="JOHN"/>JOHN MILLS</persName> </hi>. I live at Upton, near Stratford—I was in Bartholomew-lane, on 22d December—I observed two gentlemen approaching me—I did not know either of them at that time, but they proved to be Alderman Salomons, and Lieutenant Higginson—I did not hear anything said by either of them—I was about three or four yards from them—I noticed Lieutenant Higginson make a kind of snatch with his open hand, at the face of Alderman Salomons—The Alderman threw his head back, and then the defendant raised a stick which he bad in his hand—I think it was in his left hand—It appeared to be an ordinary walking stick—he brought it down as it appeared to me, on the Alderman's shoulder—I then noticed Mr. Cohen; he rushed forward, seized the lieutenant by the two shoulders, and pinioned him against the wall, and at that moment his hat fell off—I had</p>
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<p>not noticed the Alderman give any provocation—I then advanced, but did not touch him myself—I heard him say that he was Lieutenant Higginson, and that his object was to bring his case before the public; that he intentionally assaulted the Alderman and pulled his nose—he then said to the Alderman "You have treated me very ill, you know you have—I have assaulted you purposely—I wish to be taken into custody"—some few minutes after, a policeman came up and he was given into custody—I went to the station, and I heard him make a similar statement there; that he had intentionally assaulted the Alderman—the Alderman expressed him-self extremely desirous of getting home; he had, as he said, a dinner party, and his words were, "I do not wish the defendant to be inconvenienced and therefore I hope" or "wish he may be discharged on his own recognisance"—I don't recollect the defendant making any observation to that—I have no doubt that he was discharged on his own recognisance, bat I left before the form was completed.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> Where did you first see the Alderman and I on the day in question?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Very nearly opposite the Auction mart—I was coming from the Exchange towards the London and Westminster bank, and I saw the Alderman and you approaching me—I did not witness your first meeting—my impression was, that you made the snatch at his face with your right band, but I should not like to say positively—I was in front of you on the pavement, three or four yards off—your hand was open decidedly—I then saw you raise the stick—your hat was on at that time—I am quite sure of that—I did not see the Alderman push you before that, nor do I believe he did—I think I should have seen if he had done so—I cannot say whether he had done so before I saw him—I saw no one but you and the Alderman when I first observed you—I did not see Mr. Cohen at the moment—if he had been alongside of you I must have seen him—I did not see him—I volunteered my evidence to the Alderman—I said that I had witnessed the assault—you did not see me walk down from the bank and join the crowd afterwards—there was no assemblage at the moment I saw you commit the assault, but immediately afterwards, when Mr. Cohen laid hold of you and pinioned you against the wall, then a crowd collected—I can't tell where Mr. Cohen came from—the first time I saw him was when he seized you by the shoulders—I think he held you by both your shoulders—I don't think he held you round the waist—your hat came off from Mr. Cohen's laying hold of you, that is my impression—he pressed you suddenly, I may say violently, against the wall of the Bank of England, and the jerk knocked your hat off—Mr. Cohen's hands were not on both sides of your neck, not that I saw—I should say that your stock was not torn—I did not observe it—I will not swear it was not—your dress was not at ail disarranged—I will not swear it was not, but I did not see that it was—I did not know Alderman Salomons when I met him—I called him Alderman Salomons after I heard who he was—I knew who he was when I tendered my evidence—I did not consider this a good opportunity of making his acquaintance—I swear that—will you allow me to explain the reason I volunteered my evidence; I happened to know Mr. Roy, the Alderman's solicitor, extremely well, and I was on my way there at the time I saw this assault, and as I saw Mr. Roy afterwards I told him what I had seen—I have had conversation since as to what took place on this occasion—I will tell you the nature of it if you think proper, but it will not be very complimentary to you—I expressed an opinion without a doubt that you were under delusions, and I am sorry to say I think so now—I have said that I</p>
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<p>believed you were suffering under some delusion or other, and I was sorry to see so gentlemanlike a man as you labouring under delusion—I have never seen you before—I have read the accounts in the papers of your appearance before the Alderman—I cannot believe that a gentleman holding such a position as you do, would be guilty of such an assault on an unoffend
<lb/>ing gentleman, unless you were partially insane—your conduct at the Guildhall was very eccentric, and different from other persons—I think my grounds of belief quite sufficient, that you are labouring under a delusion; you are labouring under an imaginary grievance, therefore I think you are not sane—I have no other grounds for saying so than what I saw in the papers, and what took place on this occasion; but I think they are sufficient—I am a literary man, and connected with the press—I am connected with the
<hi rend="italic">Field Newspaper</hi>—I am not in any position in which the Alderman could be of the slightest benefit to me—I heard you say that you wished your case, as connected with the
<hi rend="italic">Atlantic Telegraph Cable,</hi> to be brought again before the public—you said that Alderman Salomons had treated you very ill—I understood you to mean in connexion with the Atlantic telegraph.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did I make use of these words, on your oath, that the Alderman might have been content to swindle the Atlantic Telegraph Company, without imputing to me madness?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> You never uttered any such words in my hearing—I did not hear you say that the Alderman ought to be ashamed of himself, or words to that effect—I heard you say to Mr. Cohen that you had no wish to hurt the Alderman—I accompanied you to the police-station—the Alderman said he did not wish to detain you; that he was in a hurry to get home; that it was not his wish to inconvenience you, he hoped that you would be discharged on your own recognisance—no sum was mentioned in my hearing—I swear that he did not, in my hearing, tell the inspector to take your recognisance in 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I think if he had said so I must have heard it—I was not out of the office—I cannot swear he did not say it—I did not hear the Alderman say to Mr. Cohen that he had a great mind not to give you into custody—I never saw anybody act with greater forbearance in my life, than the Alderman did towards you—I did not see him acting at all as a judge—he directed the inspector to take the charge as soon as he could—he then said he did not wish to detain you; that he wished your recognisance to be taken, and that you should be discharged upon that being taken—I left before the form was completed, and don't know what the sum mentioned was—the inspector was not in the office when we first went in; he was sent for—I remember Mr. Cohen going out for a cab—I should not consider it a grievous oppression if I had been so treated—I should think it extremely kind to be discharged on my own recognisance—according to my impression the Alderman was not acting as a magistrate at all—if instead of ordering you to be discharged, he had ordered you into a cell, that would not have been so kind—I think if I had been the accuser instead of the Alderman, the inspector would have listened to the same suggestion from me—I attended at the Mansion-house next day—I sat on the bench beside Alderman Salomons—the Alderman sat on the bench beside Sir Robert Carden—the Alderman was sworn according to the Jewish form, he gave his evidence from the bench—I don't think he spoke several times confidentially to Sir Robert Carden during the examination—I say decidedly not, because I heard everything that he said—he said he placed himself in the hands of Sir Robert Carden for the case to be dealt with in the ordinary way—he did speak to Sir Robert Carden, but not con
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<p>—I swear that—he did not say anything to him that I did not bear—I was too close not to hear everything that was said—I really don't know whether it is customary to have an accuser and a witness sitting on the bench with the judge; I have seldom attended a court—I think it is decent—if my lords had the witnesses for the prosecution sitting beside them I don't think it would be a gross violation of public decency, if they wished them to be there—you asked to be allowed to cross-examine the alderman—Sir Robert Carden said that as you wished the case to be sent to the Sessions he would not permit any cross-examination—you were not allowed to cross-examine, because you were out of order—Sir Robert Carden said that as you did not wish him to adjudicate upon the ease he should send it to the Sessions in accordance with your wish—there appeared no reason to me why you did not wish Sir Robert Carden to adjudicate; it was certainly not because he would not allow you to cross-examine the alderman; I should say that was not your objection—you did not express the objection on that ground openly before the whole court—you did not say that as you were not allowed to cross-examine the alderman you objected to the jurisdiction of the court—I swear that—you said you did not think you should have justice done you in that court; you gave no reason why—you did not state that it was because you were not allowed to cross-examine the alderman, because you would have been allowed to cross-examine had you allowed Sir Robert Carden to go into the case—you asked Sir Robert Carden if he was a shareholder in the Atlantic Telegraph Company, and he said he was not, and never should be, and never had been—he did not at first order you to enter into your own recognizance in 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to appear and take your trial—I swear that—he ordered you to enter into your own recog
<lb/>nizance in 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and to find a surety for 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—Alderman Salomons did not interfere and propose that you should find the additional bondsman in 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.—I swear that—I do not think anything was said about your keeping the peace; I will not swear it—I did not hear Alderman Salomons object to the case being sent to the Sessions as too trivial a case, and one that ought to be decided by the magistrate there—he did not say so openly in court; I swear that—I did not hear him say so, and I do not believe he did; he might have said it without my hearing it, I do not think he did.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you ever heard of magistrates thus acting as accuser, advocate, and judge in their own case?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not perceive that they acted in any such form; they did nothing of the sort that I witnessed—if a stipendiary magistrate had acted in the same way I think he would have acted very properly; I think a stipendiary magistrate would have done the same—I do not think there was any oppression in the case whatever.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Esq., Alderman.</hi> On 22d December, I was walking in Bartholomew-lane—as I crossed from the London and Westminster Bank to the apex of the Bank in Bartholomew-lane, some one joined me, and it turned out to be the defendant—I did not at first perceive who it was—he addressed me, and asked whether I was Alderman Salomons—I said I was, and looking straight at him, I said, "Are you Lieut. Higginson," or "You are Lieut. Hig
<lb/>ginson?" interrogatively—he said, "Don't you know me?" I then said, "Indeed, I hardly recollected you," or some words to that effect—he then said, "You have said, "or" You say that I am a madman;" to which I answered, "No, I don't think I have; but I have said you are under delusions"—he then quickly said, "What do you mean by 'under delusions'"—to which I replied, "You must put your own construction upon it, "or some words to that effect—the words were hardly out of my mouth, when he rushed from</p>
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<p>my side, and got in front of me, and I felt his hand in my face, just touching my nose—I convulsively raised my arm to ward off the attack, when he stepped back, and raised a stick violently, which just came on my shoulder, because, in the meantime, my brother-in-law who was close to me, rushed upon him and pinioned him—to the best of my recollection, I never did anything in the way of resenting a blow, or uttered a single word to him, except order an officer to be sent for—a crowd collected, and a gentle
<lb/>man named Milk, who I did not then know, came up to me, and told me who he was, and said he had witnessed the assault—after an interval of a minute or two, to allow an officer to come up, I gave the individual in charge, followed with the officer to the police-station, and gave Lieut. Hig
<lb/>ginson in charge, precisely in the same way as any other individual may have done—I think it right to state that my wife was expecting me home by the express train, and it was a most painful thing to me, fearing she might be alarmed if I was detained; my brother-in-law went to get a cab, and luckily, I did save the train.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Prisoner. Q.</hi> When I first addressed you; did I do so quietly and calmly?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Quite so—my brother-in-law, Mr. Cohen, was with me at the time—I did not stand at the corner of the Bank some little time—I did not tell you that I was in a great hurry to go to the rail—I have mentioned what occur
<lb/>red when you addressed me—it all took place between the corner of Bar
<lb/>tholomew-lane and the Bank-gate, which is probably not twenty yards—when we first met, you said to me, "Are you Alderman Salomons?" to which I answered, "Yes"—I then looked at you stedfastly, for I had never seen you, except the day at the police-court, and said, "Are you Lieut. Hig
<lb/>ginson?" or "You are Lieut. Higginson"—you said, "Don't you know me?" or "Sure you know me"—I said, "No, I do not recollect you"—you then asked me whether I had said you were a madman, or were mad; to which, of course, I said, in the most polite language I could, "No, I have not; but I have said you are under delusions"—you then asked me what I meant by "delusions," to which I said, "You must put your own interpretation upon it"—that was what took place; then you assaulted me—when you accosted me, I did not tell you that I was in a hurry, and could not stop—I never said one word of the kind—you joined me by the corner of the Bank of England, to the best of my recollection, and before we had got to the Bank-gate, which is not twenty yards, you assaulted me—there was not much time for conversation—we walked just as would allow the conversation which I now state, to occur—I do not think I said, when you first met me, that I could not stop, for I was in a hurry to get home to Mrs. Salomons; I may have said so, but if I am bound to swear, I say I did not—I will swear I did not say so—I have not said that you made use of any violent expression—remember one thing, that I am not only on my oath as a man, but as a Magistrate—I know what is due from a Magistrate, and I am very scrupulous what I swear to—you did not make use of any violent expression—I was on the side nearest the Bank of England, the right-hand side—Mr. Cohen was on the outside—I should say I was in the middle, between you, when you joined me, you were inside—I am pretty sure that was so.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did I ask you, why, being an admitted shareholder in the Atlantic Telegraph Company, you had adjudicated in your own case at Guildhall; and, on the following day, had selected Alderman Rose to sit with you, he likewise being a shareholder in the company?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think, after a crowd collected, you did say something about the Atlantic Telegraph Company, but what it was I cannot recollect; my mind was too much occupied at that time—it</p>
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<p>was addressed to the crowd—I cannot say what it was—I don't think you said that my dishonestly selecting Alderman Rose to sit with me was a disgrace to the judicial integrity of the City Magistracy; but you may have said so, for I really took no notice—you may or may not have said so; but, if you did, it was not true.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did I ask you why, in your address to the Greenwich electors, because I denounced the Atlantic Telegraph as a swindle, you had said I was a madman.
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> To the best of my recollection, not one single word passed between me and yourself till we got down to the police-station—I swear I did not hear that said—I dare say if it bad been said I should have heard it—you may have said that the fact of the cable having broken three times whilst being laid down on the last occasion, was reported by the Atlantic company them
<lb/>selves, as you were ready to show by their report—I know you have said so—I did not hear it—you said something to the crowd—my mind was far too much occupied with the outrage that had been committed upon me, and the anxiety of my family, to attend to what you might have addressed to the crowd—if I did recollect it I should say it undoubtedly, but I do not recollect it.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did I ask you to stop and answer me, stepping before you, and did you push me aside saying you were in a hurry to get to the train?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I never touched you to my knowledge, most distinctly, on my oath; I say most distinctly and decidedly, no—you did not ask me to stop—I thought until to-day that Mr. Cohen was by my side at the time, but it appears from what he has said, that thinking we had some private business, he went a little aside—we came out of the bank together, not arm in arm, he was close to my side—I was in a very great hurry to get to the rail, that there is no doubt about—I have not had any conversation with Mr. Cohen, or any other witness respecting this matter—I saw Mr. Cohen last night at his father's, and I never mentioned your name to him—I met him at 10 o'clock this morning at the Old Bailey, but I never mentioned your name to him—on my oath I have never discussed this matter with Mr. Cohen, nor in my family; I never even told my wife until I gave her the newspaper—I never dis
<lb/>cussed this matter with Mr. Cohen; we never discuss matters that are to be gone into in a court of justice—you don't suppose I
<hi rend="italic">crammed</hi> him—I have had no communication on the subject with the Atlantic Telegraph Company or any of its officers, except speaking to Mr. Freshfield's partner, Mr. Newman, on the day when he was a witness; I said that you had got some very strange de
<lb/>lusions on the subject, or something of that sort—I have not sworn that you at
<lb/>tempted to pull my nose—I said that I felt your hand just touching my nose, and I convulsively threw my arm up to defend it; you know best what you attempted—I will take back the word "convulsively," if you like—I threw up my left arm suddenly, or violently—it did not touch you, only your arm—I dare say my arm came in contact with yours, and threw it up—it did not knock your hat off—I was not in a striking attitude—I was astonished at the attack, and as any other man would, taken suddenly, I threw up my arm, seeing your arm coming across—I do not know whether I touched your arm or not, for you went back so quickly with the stick—on my oath I had not touched you at all before that, as we walked together—I am quite clear as to that—I did not let my railway wrapper fall to my know
<lb/>ledge; if you say it was on the ground, I will admit that it was, but to my knowledge it was not, I think I kept it on my arm all the time; I should say it did not fall, because if it had fallen it would have been dirty—if I am bound to swear, I will swear it did not fall—</p>
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<p>I think it was on my left arm—to the best of my knowledge Mr. Cohen pinioned you—I saw him assault you—I believe he threw himself round you so as to pinion you entirely, and hold you against the bank—I consider he did me a great service, for he saved a scuffle, which I should have lamented exceedingly—I think he threw himself round you, so as to pinion your arms—his object no doubt, was to prevent your using your arms—I think he put his arms round your body and your arms, grasping you within his arms—he had not hold of you by the throat, most distinctly not—I did not see your hat off, but it may have been—I really cannot say—I was close to you, as close as I am to the gentleman in the jury-box—if I am bound to swear, I should say your hat was on; but I have heard a gentleman say it was off—to the best of my knowledge it was not off at all—I swear that that is my impression—I think some words passed between you and Mr. Cohen when he seized you, but I do not remember what they were—I heard you complain of his holding you—you said he had no business to do so; that he was not a constable, or something to that effect—you did not say he was choking you—I think you said that no constable could take you, because he had not seen the assault—you also addressed the crowd, something about the telegraph, which I do not remember—I do not recollect your saying anything about not wishing to hurt me—I will not swear you did not my so—I doubt whether it could be ten or sixteen yards from where you first met me, to where the scramble took place—to the best of my recollection you joined me at the corner of Bartholomew-lane, and the scuffle took place long before we got to the Bank-gate—it could not be more than ten or fifteen yards—I cannot speak within five yards—Mr. Mills came up when the crowd collected; he was one of the crowd—we had not got to the gate of the Rotunda before he came up; it was very near it, some few yards from it—he addressed me after the scuffle as one who had seen the assault—I did not see anybody present when the scuffle commenced, but Mr. Cohen, you, and myself; but I was engaged talking to you—I thought Mr. Cohen was by my side, but it appears he was not—you have heard what he has stated, his evidence is better than mine; he can speak about his own acts, which I cannot do—I did not hear you throughout make use of any violent language, and nothing took place as to words, except what I have sworn—you were eool at first; when you spoke to me, you were a little more warm, but nothing to warn me of any attack—I did not see you assault Mr. Cohen in any way; if you had done so, I could not have helped seeing it, at least I think so—I was not at any time so far off, as not to see and hear what was doing—I have heard Mr. Cohen examined to-day—he is one of the most truthful men in the king
<lb/>dom; I am quite sure that whatever he says is true, therefore if he differs from me, you have the advantage of it—I did not hear you ask Mr. Cohen to take his hand off your throat, and say you could not breathe; he is too much of a man to do anything of the sort—if you had said so, I certainly should have heard it, nor should I have allowed him to assault you in any way—I did not know Mr. Mills—he addressed me as a stranger—I have not since had any conversation with him as to what he was to say here; not upon any occasion or in any place—the attorney for the prosecution has not examined me as to what I was going to say to-day—I do not think that I desired a working man in plain clothes to take you into custody, prior to the constable coming up; I may have done so; I should say not—I ordered a constable to be sent for—the man did not reply that it served me right, and he would not do it—when the policeman arrived, I gave you</p>
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<p>into his charge—I never said that I had a great mind not to give you into custody, I should say decidedly not, but my anxiety was so great to avoid alarm, and to get down to the country, that I will not swear such a thing may not have been said, in case a policeman could not be found; but I don't think it did take place—I say distinctly and decidedly that I did not say so after the constable arrived—I wished to avoid, if I could, going down to the police-station to make the charge, on account of my anxiety to save the train, but the policeman said it was necessary, and therefore at the hazard of losing my train I went to make the charge at the station—I have received three letters from you, to which I sent three answers—I have your last letter, I cannot find the other two (
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner handed in copies of the letters</hi>)—this is the third letter (
<hi rend="italic">produced</hi>)—I received two previously—(
<hi rend="italic">at the prisoner's request the letter was read dated</hi> 10
<hi rend="italic">th November</hi> 1858)—I sent an answer to that letter, of which this is a copy—(
<hi rend="italic">this was read, and also one from the prisoner, dated Portsmouth, 19th October, 1858, and Mr. Alderman Salomons' reply, dated October</hi> 23,)—I also sent an answer through Mr. Gardiner my secretary to the other letter.</p>
<p>H. D.
<hi rend="smallCaps">GARDINER</hi>. I wrote a copy of a letter, and posted it myself addressed to the defendant, according to the address contained in his letter.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">This was a notice to produce the Alderman's reply to the defendant's letter of</hi> 10
<hi rend="italic">th November—It was not produced, the prisoner stating he had never received it—a copy of it was put in and read—Mr. Baron Martin stated that this correspondence had no bearing whatever on the ease.</hi> </p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ALDERMAN SALOMONS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Recurring to our happy meeting, did I inquire why you had denied to the Greenwich electors that you had apologized for your misconduct as a Magistrate in open court?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I do not quite see what answer I can give to that—I had never seen you from the day you were in my court until the day you assaulted me—I never did apologize to you in open court at any time—I swear that—I know perfectly well what you allude to—what I did was this: from your violence I was obliged out of respect to my court to order you out, and when you came next day I expressed the natural regret that any gentleman or any Magistrate would feel at being obliged to do so to a person of your rank—I thought that was due to myself, and that it might soothe your mind also—I did not apologize to you in open court for my conduct to you on the preceding day, but I expressed in the most courteous language I could, the regret that I felt—and which I feel now at being here to-day, very strongly indeed, for I am very sorry to be here—not as an apology but with a view to soothe your mind, as well as to express what I felt at being obliged to adopt the unusual practice of ordering an applicant to be led out of court—(
<hi rend="italic">the prisoner here read an extract from a newspaper, of an obser
<lb/>vation addressed by the Alderman to the defendant at the police-court, containing the words,</hi> "If I was not quite so forbearing to you yesterday as I might have been, I regret it,")—I have no doubt whatever that that is a true report—that is not an apology—seeing you to be a lieutenant in the Navy, and not being aware of the peculiarities which you exhibited afterwards, I wished as far as possible to treat you just as ray equal, and I used the strongest language I could to express the extreme pain and regret I felt at being obliged by your own conduct to order you out of the court—I thought it would be an amiable thing on my part, both to relieve myself and to make you as comfortable as I could—(
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner again read the extract</hi>)—I did regret it—I regret it even now—there is nothing in</p>
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<p>your letters manifesting any hostile spirit on your part—I think the letters are courteous, and I think you are always courteous when you are not contradicted—I have never made use of any language towards you that could be construed as offensive—I may have been asked about your notions of the cable, and I may have said off-hand "He is a madman"—I did not mean to say you were a madman—I have not promulgated that you were—I may have casually said with regard to your opinions, or fancier, or views of the Atlantic Telegraph Company, "Well, he is mad," or, "He is mad upon it," or, "He is a madman," in that way, but not with a view to stigmatize you—I did not mean to say that you were a madman
<hi rend="italic">de facto</hi>—it was not solely in compliance with Mr. Cohen's request that I gave you in charge to the police constable—the constable could not have heard me say so—I followed you to the police-station—I was very impatient that they should take the charge quickly, as I was most painfully anxious to get away by the 4.30 train, which was the only train I could get home by—I did net hear you say that you were anxious to get home—I do not know that the Bank of England has refused to pay you 200
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. for work and labour done for them in an invention supplied, on account of your hostility to the Atlantic Telegraph Company—I never heard of it till now.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know that the Atlantic Telegraph Company suppressed my work "The Ocean, its depths, and phenomena" because it revealed the impossibility and the fraud of the undertaking?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; I do not—I could not make out what grievance you had with the Telegraph Company, except what I heard incidentally that it was something about some work which you say they suppressed—I think I heard that from Mr. Freshfield's partner, Mr. Newman—I say as I have said before, that I have not had any communication with the Bank of England or the Atlantic Telegraph Company upon this subject, except incidentally some conversation with Mr. Newman on the day of this assault—I know nothing about whether your pamphlet was suppressed by the company, or whether they deprived you of the results of your literary labours as well as deprived you of your invention without compensation—the only thing by which I knew of your having anything to do with the Atlantic Telegraph Company was from a pamphlet which you sent me and which I read, containing letters to them—I know nothing about any work being suppressed—I do not know that they adopted your invention of laying it down without paying for it—I should doubt it very much—I do not know that in 1851 you registered the machinery, with the exception of the pulleys, which was used on board the Agamemnon, except from your letters in the pamphlet which I read—I was not an active member of the company; I am a passive one—I have only sunk my money, and I am very glad to have taken part in that invention—I have no knowledge that your invention was used with
<lb/>out compensation—I have not the smallest knowledge on the subject, of any kind.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> In fact, has not the whole power of the Atlantic Telegraph Company been used through you, as a magistrate, upon several occasions, to crush me and my plans?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> So far from it, I beg to say, that in this instance, although summonses are always heard in private, this being a summons against a public company, we took it out of the usual course; for I thought you had some wrong that might be remedied—Mr. Martin, the clerk of the court apprised mo before I came in, of the nature of your application, so far as this; that it was an application to which the Atlantic Telegraph Company was a party, and I then told him as I told you, that I could</p>
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<p>not bear the case—Alderman Rose came in on the following day as a spectator, and sat next to me—he did not say that I was to be sup
<lb/>ported; I swear that—I believe Alderman Rose is a shareholder in the Atlantic Telegraph Company—I did not know it then—I know it now, for he was at the company the other day as a shareholder, and he has told me he was a shareholder—the newspapers say that he moved a resolution the other day.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Then both you and he, being shareholders in the Atlantic Telegraph Company, sat at Guildhall to adjudicate on your own case?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No; that is not so at all; do not couple Alderman Rose with me—he came in as a spectator, and sat upon the bench, as he might sit upon the bench now as a commissioner of this court; that is all—when you were very violent Alderman Rose did interfere, but I put him down, I am very jealous of my brother Magistrates interfering when I am sitting—I don't want their assistance—I did not at the Bow-lane station, exercising my jurisdiction as a magistrate, order the inspector to take your own recognisance of 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and discharge you on giving your address—I did what any prosecutor would do, either suggested that he should take bail, or not, believing your word could be taken, to appear—I was most anxious to get away, and suggested that you should be let out on your own recognisance, and I think that was a kindness for which you ought to thank me, and not find fault with—without that interference, if I had been a common accuser, they would not have let you go without your finding bail—the moment I had made the charge I left—I don't know what was done between you and the inspector; I was too happy to get into a Hansom cab and gallop off to save my train—I did not order the inspector to take your recognisance in 20
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; I swear that—I suggested that he might let you go on your own recognisance to appear next day.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was I prevented by Sir Robert Carden from cross-examining you at the Mansion-house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I think Sir Robert Carden suggested, when he had heard my statement, that as the case must go elsewhere, and he had heard sufficient to enable it to be sent there, he must stop further cross-examination—he is responsible for his own acts—I have nothing whatever to do with it; I was there like any other complainant—I should say the police-inspector would have released you upon a similar order from any private individual—the police are quite independent of the magistracy, and are regulated by their own rules—I presume he acted upon his own impulse, and not from any order of mine, to the best of my knowledge—I did not ask you, when you said you had been assaulted, why you did not give Mr. Cohen into cus
<lb/>tody; I never heard such words used—I cannot say whether you said that the whole affair was far too trivial and contemptible to be made the subject of a charge on either side; you may have said it; I do not know whether you did or not—I was at the Mansion-house next day—I knew you had been discharged on your own recognisance—I inquired; I cannot recollect of whom I did so; it was some of the Mansion-house people—I should say I did not know before that—I wished to do, and I believe I only did do, what any person would have done in the matter—I did not act as a magistrate; I gave the inspector no order—when at the Mansion-house next day I sat on the bench, not by Sir Robert Carden's side—perhaps we were as close together as my lords are now—when I gave my evidence I was not close to him; I was on the dais.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was I prevented from cross-examining you upon your depositions in chief, because you were a magistrate?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> You did not cross-examine me;</p>
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<p>but as to anything else, the magistrate before whom you were examined can answer the questions, not I—that was not the reason stated; the stated reason was this, that enough had been stated by me to enable you to go to the Sessions as you wished, and therefore no cross-examination was entered into—that was Sir Robert Carden's decision and statement—I think you requested that the case should be sent to the Sessions; I don't think it was on that account—I think it was in consequence of your wishing it sent to the Sessions that you did not cross-examine—you know best what your reason was for wishing it sent to the Sessions—I do not remember what you said—Sir Robert Garden then ordered you to enter into your own recognizance in 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to appear—I did not say anything upon that—upon my oath I did not propose that an additional bondsman of 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. should be found; I am in
<lb/>capable of doing such a thing—with the exception of my testimony not one word passed between me and Sir Robert Carden, either at that time or since—I did not state to my attorney, he being on the other side of Sir Robert Carden, that an additional bondsman should be found; I swear that—I cannot tell you how the additional bondsman affair came forward—I pre
<lb/>sume Sir Robert Carden did not think of letting you go without taking some security for good behaviour—nothing was said by me about a bondsman in 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. to keep the peace; I heard Sir Robert Carden say 100
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., and one surety of 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>., which I thought very low—I do not know that it was to keep the peace; I daresay it was; I did not observe—I swear that the additional 50
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. was not at my suggestion—it is usual to desire a man to enter into recognisance to keep the peace and then send him to be tried, or else it would not have been done—I never opened my lips to Sir Robert Carden on the subject either before, at the time, or since.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was I at that time actively opposing your return for Greenwich, by giving lectures upon the laying down of the Atlantic Telegraph cable, and your conduct to me at Guildhall?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> You were making yourself excessively ridiculous; you had a meeting there, and they all thought you mad—you tried three meetings afterwards, and nobody came to them.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Upon your oath, did not you or your partisans send three wagon-loads of people from Deptford for the purpose of opposing my lectures?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Upon my oath, to my knowledge, nothing of the kind was done; the universal opinion at Greenwich after two lectures was that you were a madman—I saw the lectures advertised, and felt quite sure that you would fail—I know the prison regulations for the treatment of prisoners in Newgate—I never Bent you to prison; I prevented your going there, or being locked up at all—if you went to prison, of course you were subject to prison regulations—I have not been to Woolwich since this assault; I have been unwell, and confined to my house for some little time—I know nothing about your son being refused admission to you in prison; I never heard of it till now—I heard you say you would not find bail, and you were consequently shut up, but I had nothing to do with that.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Upon your oath have you not been advised and instigated to push this matter to the utmost, with a view of getting a verdict and judgment that should shut me up, and prevent my appearing for a time in the Atlantic Telegraph Company, and in your electioneering proceedings?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> As God is my witness I did as little as I possibly could for my own protection, and for the purpose of doing my duty, for the gross outrage committed upon me—my answer to your question is, I did not.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were you in any way afraid of me?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did not show much fear when you accosted me—I should be sorry to acknowledge myself afraid of you or</p>
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<p>any other man, I have done you no wrong—I never saw or heard of you until you came into my court—I do not know that you have received two medals from the Humane Society for saving lives at the expense of your own.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had you been cheated out of your invention, had your literary work been suppressed without compensation, had you been ordered to be assaulted in open court, refused all explanation, and your prospects ruined by a false imputation of madness; in short, had you been oppressed as you know me to have been oppressed, I ask you, on your oath as an honest man, could you have borne it so patiently as I have done?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> If you apply that to me, I have done nothing of the kind—I have no doubt if I had suffered all you say I should have felt very irritated—I had not, previous to meeting you on the day in question, been told by Mr. Cohen that a gentleman wished to speak to me—I have, learnt since that you had asked one or two of my brother directors whether they were me—Mr. Cohen came back to the bank for me—he is a very late man, he does not come into the city till 4 o'clock—he very frequently goes with me to the rail—he had left the London and Westminster Bank—I am sure I cannot tell you what he came back for—he met me somewhere inside the Bank, I think in the passage—he did not say a word to me about you—I was in a great hurry, it had struck 4—he did not say that any person had spoken to him—he afterwards accompanied me to the police station, and he got a cab for me there—I think he volun
<lb/>teered to do so—I was not influenced by any advice of Mr. Cohen's to give you in charge.</p>
<hi rend="italic">The prisoner in his defence read a very long statement, in which he entered into a recital of his services in the navy, and the nature of several inventions he had perfected, as well as the alleged use of those inventions by the Atlantic Telegraph Company, from whom he asserted he had received great injustice; he then entered at great length into the circumstances contained in his cross-examination of the witnesses, commenting upon various portions, and contended that the first assault was committed by the Alderman, who pushed him when he accosted him.</hi> </p>
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<lb/>toxicated—the prisoner's friend was very much intoxicated—when I came up first, he was standing, leaning against the fence—he had been on the ground—the prisoner asked me if I would assist him with his friend—I said "No," but I did do so—I walked on, holding the prisoners friend by the arm—the prisoner then, accused me of picking his friend's pocket, and made a blow at me—I jumped into the road to avoid it; the prisoner ran a little way after me, but turned back to his friend, who was lying on the ground—I followed him, and when I came back, I saw the deceased, Mr. Williams, standing near the prisoner's friend—the prisoner then asked Mr. Williams to assist him with his friend, and Mr. Williams would not—I don't know what he said—I believe there were two or three words passed</p>
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<p>between them—when Mr. Williams refused to assist the prisoner with his friend, the prisoner challenged Mr. Williams to go out in the road and fight—I can't say exactly what he said, but he asked him if he would fight, and the prisoner went out in the road—the prisoner came back, finding Mr. Williams would not follow him—Mr. Williams said he had better sense than to fight—that was the time the first scuffle took place—the prisoner struck Mr. Williams with his fist—he struck him three or four times about the head and shoulders, and they fell down together—Mr. Williams was the undermost—the prisoner then got up, and Mr. Williams did the same, and walked towards the road—the prisoner then pulled off two coats, and struck Mr. Williams again, and they fell down from the kerb into the road—the prisoner then struck Mr. Williams three or four times about the head and shoulders, and they fell down—I believe they did not close, but Mr. Wil
<lb/>liams fell on the stones, and the prisoner fell by the side of him—Mr. Williams did not get up—he was lifted up, and the men who lifted him up took him on the other side of the road—the prisoner pursued him, and was in the act of striking him again—Mr. Harris struck him with some stones in the road—the prisoner put his hands to the back of his head, and returned to his friend, who was drunk—assistance was procured; he was taken and set on the step of a door—from my observation of the deceased, he was perfectly sober.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CHAMBERS</hi>.
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