Thomas Jones, Deception > forgery, Deception > forgery, 7th December 1748.

Reference Number: t17481207-52
Offences: Deception > forgery; Deception > forgery
Verdicts: Guilty > lesser offence
Punishments: Death

60. Thomas Jones , stands indicted for that he on the 6th day of September , having in his custody a certain paper written, purporting to be an inland bill of exchange, and to be signed by one John Edgerton , and to bear date at Broxton, Aug. 15, 1748. and directed to Charles Cholmondeley , Esq; in James's-street, Westminster, near London, for the payment of 300 pounds to Sir Watkin Williams Wynn, Bart. or his order, at one month after date for value received; at the bottom of which said paper, the words and letters following were subscribed, that is to say, accept to pay when due C. Cholmondeley, purporting to write acceptance of Charles Cholomondeley , he, the said Thomas Jones , on the 6th day of Sept. with force and arms, feloniously forged and counterfeited an indorsment on the same, purporting to be a bill of exchange as aforesasd, in the name of Sir

Watkin Williams Wynn, with intention to defraud the said Sir Watkin Williams Wynn , against the form of the statute in such case made and provided, and against his majesty's peace, crown and dignity; and he likewise stands indicted for knowingly and feloniously uttering and publishing a counterfeit endorsement of a bill of exchange, with intent to defraud Sir Watkin Williams Wynn; and likewise for forging the said endorsement and for uttering the same with intent to defraud Edward Belcher , Esq; and Co. bankers in London .

Alderman Ironside. I have in my hand a parcel of papers, brought to me the 6th of Sept. last, they were all inclosed in one, and directed to Mr. Belcher and Co. Lombard-street, &c. the woman ask'd if that was Mr. Belcher's the banker, I happened to be just come to town from the country; her name is Sarah Gauler , and a witness that is here to be examined. Upon reading the bill of exchange, I had a suspicion that it could not be a true bill; after I had read the contents, I asked the woman were she brought them from; she said, from 'Squire Jones's, at Mr. Pomeroy's, who is clerk of the check at Deptford: immediately I called one of our servants, and whispered him, to fetch a constable, which he did; at the constable's coming, I charged him with this woman; she seemed to be in some terror, and confest she did not bring them from Deptford, but from a person that was now in the Marshalsea prison for debt; I ordered the constable to carry her to the Poultry-counter, and detain her there for some time, and suffer no person to come to speak with her; in the afternoon we took her over to Southwark, before justice Hammond, who sent a proper officer to the Marshalsea prison for the Prisoner; upon examining him, this woman there charged him, with having those papers she delivered to me, of him that morning; the prisoner himself confest, that he did deliver to this woman some papers, pretending he had sent her of an errand into Goodman's-fields; Justice Hammond thought fit to commit her: we have received a letter from Sir Watkin, by the post, and have answered this letter, and have had returns back: this is not like the letter I have had from Sir Watkin; it is something in his manner, but not at all like his.

Here the letters were read.

Letter I.

Gentlemen,

'' The inclosed is my uncle's letter and bill, if '' you chuse to comply with his request, you may '' indorse a bank note to me by bearer and '' shall have it safe; I have got the bill excepted, '' but was obliged to send it to Windsor, as you '' see per the inclosed; if you don't chuse to discount '' the bill, be so good as to inclose the letter, '' &c. to me again by the bearer, as I may apply '' elsewhere, according to my uncle's direction to '' me, and to get the business accomplished in '' time for the note to night. As for my part, I '' am so much indisposed with sickness, that I cannot '' possibly wait of you myself; but it is all the '' same if you'll inclose the note by bearer, shall '' have it safe; I am the clerk of the Cheque at '' Deptford, Gentlemen, Your most obedient servant, George Jones .

Dated Sept. 6.

On the back of it, To mess. Belcher, &c. Lombard-street, these.

Letter II.

Sir,

'' At one month after date, pay Sir Wat. '' Will. Wynn, Bart. or his order, in cash, the sum '' of 300 pounds for value received, as per advice, '' and place it to account of Sir,

Your most obedient servant, John Edgerton .

Broxton, Aug. 15, 1748.

To Charles Cholmondeley , Esq; in St. James's street, Westminster, near London,

Except to pay when due C. Cholmondeley.

On the back of this, Wat. Will. Wynn.

George Jones .

Letter III.

Gentlemen,

'' As I am well assured you do a great deal of '' business, in regard to discounting of bills, I make '' so free as to direct my nephew to you, in order '' to get a bill of 300 l. discounted, as I am to '' pay a large sum of money next week, for an estate '' bought of my lord Warrington, am indeavouring '' to raise the cash against that time, be '' so good to give the bearer, my nephew, a bank '' note, as he may send it by the post; I am not '' certain whether he will be able to wait of you '' himself, for I am afraid he is very much indisposed '' with sickness, he is now secretary to lord '' Anson, but has not done any business this some '' time, having had very bad health; if he does '' not wait of you himself, please to send some person '' down to Deptford to him, except he send '' a message by a person who he can confide in, '' pray be so good as to assist him herein, and the '' favour shall be always acknowledged: I shall be '' in London in less till a three weeks time, at which '' time I shall wait of you,

Sir, Your most obedient servant, Wat. Will. Wynn.

Bath, Aug. 29, 1748.

On the backside, to Mess. Belcher, and Co. Bankers in Lombard street, present.

Letter IV.

Dear Nephew,

'' Yours I received, and inclosed 7000 l. in bank '' notes; I have inclosed to you five bills for 9000 l. '' which will be due as soon as comes to hand, '' which desire you either go or send to receive '' the money for them, and after you received the '' money, go to the Bank and get a note for it, '' and indorse it to me immediately; you'll find likewise '' another bill inclosed for 300 l. that is not '' due these several days, upon 'Squire Cholmondeley '' in James's-street, Westminster, get it '' accepted, and then apply to some of the gentlemen '' bankers, in or about Lombard-street, to '' get it discounted; get a bank note for it, and '' send it me along with the rest; as I am to pay '' for the estate I purchased of my lord Warrington, '' and the next week you must not fail sending '' down the notes to me, for my lord is now here; '' I am afraid you wont be so well recovered as to '' go about my business yourself, and before I would '' have you prejudice yourself by too soon going '' out; I'd rather advise you to get somebody '' and they to transact the business for you, a '' person whom you can conside in: I wish you '' was with me at Bath, I've an opinion the water '' would be of service to you; I shall be obliged '' to be in London in less till one three weeks time, '' I will endeavour to get you down along with '' me; I shall be going again soon afterwards: '' Sir Thomas Mostyn and Sir John Glynn presents '' their respects to you; my compliments to lord '' Anson and Sir Robert Grosvenor when you see '' or write to them, and acquaint them of my coming '' to town in about three week's time, when I '' hope I shall find you in a better state of health, '' than you were when I left you, which is the '' sincere desire of, dear nephew,

Your very affectionate and loving uncle, Wat. Will. Wynn.

P. S. '' Deliver the inclosed letter to Mess. '' Belcher and Co. with the bill, and no doubt but '' they'll discount it without any farther trouble, '' as I am informed they are as likely gentlemen to '' apply too as any, if they don't chuse to do it, '' go to lord Anson, and beg the favour of him to '' get you bank notes for it.

On the backside; to George Jones , Esq; at Mr. Pomeroy's, clerk to the cheque at Deptford, London. - Sir Wat. Wm Wynn.

'' The paper in which they were inclosed, directed '' to George Jones , Esq; at Mr. Pomeroy's '' Clerk of the cheque at Deptford, near London. Fra. C. Cholmondeley.

The inclosed,

Sir,

'' Yours I received with a bill inclosed for acceptance, '' which I shall accept, and shall be in town '' in five or six night's time; and, when due, '' shall be punctually paid. My service to Sir Watkin, '' and am,

your humble servant. C. Cholmondeley.

Windor Sept. 2, 1748.

These letters, I apprehend, were produced to strengthen the credit of the bill.

John Jones . I am a domestick of Sir Watkins's. I have been his clerk five years.

Q. Did you ever see Sir Watkins write?

Jones. Yes, often. A letter was put into his hand. I am sure this is not his hand writing; there is somewhat in the name Watkin in resemblance of his. (Another was shewed him.) That is not Sir Watkins's writing.

Q. Was you servant to Sir Watkins the 29th of August. Where was he at that time?

Jones. He was then at Litchfield races.

Q. Was you with him there?

Jones. No, my Lord. He left his house in Wales the 24th of August, and went to Litchfield races, and returned, I believe, the first of Sept. I saw him set out with his servants; and at returning, the servants all told me he had been there, and that he hunted two days in company with other gentleman.

Q. How long is it since Sir Watkin was at Bath?

Jones. He has not been at Bath many years.

Alderman Ironside. I was present on the woman's examination, she was asked whether she was to have money for going of this message, She made answer, he said he had not money then, but that she would bring money back with her, and then he, the Prisoner, would pay her.

Sarah Gauler . My husband was in the Marshalsea, and I was employed in going of errands. The Prisoner at the bar sent me with those letters, all enclosed in a parcel to Alderman Ironside's.

Q. What did he say to you?

Gauler. He bid me carry that letter to Alderman Ironside. He did not tell me I was to bring back any money. The letter was sealed up.

Q. Did you come immediately away with it?

Gauler. I put it out of my hand once, because I was in a hurry for my husband's errands; and there was no body else would go, because there was no money. I had the letter three or four

times in the morning, the 6th of Sept. At first it was long, then he took it, and did it up less; then I went directly. This I told Justice Hammond.

Ald. Ironside. I heard her say this before the Justice.

Gauler. He bid me not to say that I had it out of the Marshalsea prison. If I should be asked any questions, I was to say I brought it from Deptford.

Q. How long have you known the Prisoner?

Gauler. I have known him about two or three weeks; ever since he came a prisoner there.

Q. Was the letter in the same plight when you delivered it to the Alderman, as when you received it of Jones?

Gauler. Yes, I am certain of that; for it never went out of my hands. Every thing was in it when the Prisoner gave it me, as was when I delivered it to Mr. Ironside. This I declare upon oath.

Q. Did you know what sort of business the Prisoner followed before he came to gaol?

Gauler. I have heard him say he was a sailor.

Prisoner to Gauler. Had you no more letters besides mine that morning to deliver?

Gauler. I had; but the Prisoner begged and prayed I would carry his; so I delivered the other back again. I had none but his letter when I set out to go.

Acquitted of the forgery, but guilty for uttering it .

[Death. See summary.]


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